40k-lore-chat

[spring solar]

do they not mesh well into the lore?

[full bane]

Yeah but they aren't driven by the desire to learn.

[crisp heath]

Writers make it seems like Tau propaganda, which feels like positive gnomism and idiocracy at level of TNO authors

Also

[full bane]

Eh some are decent but 80% of all 40k work isn't very good and Tau haven't gotten a standout book just yet.

[crisp heath]

Some things from those books is letteral bulshit

[spring solar]

fair enough

[crisp heath]

Like psykers with an xeno implants which somehow works and make them not mad

[noble hinge]

"Thankfully, I was spared a view of the surgeries. I doubted the Adeptus Mechanicus provided anaesthetic, for the same reasons they would not dull the pain of a nail under the hammer."

[full bane]

I recommend Fire Caste if you're looking for a Tau book.

[noble hinge]

wowww not even a pain numbler

[crisp heath]

An entire species of xenos psykers which cut off from warp with implants somehow

An carking psyker , human psyker , which is , just think of it , ISNT mad’

Psyker which isn’t isane

It’s not space marine but a usual human

Hell

[full bane]

Plenty of those, having some level of therapy and being inducted into a cult-like culture helps.

Psykers go mad due to warp exposure and overuse of abilities, they're not just insane as a rule.

[crisp heath]

There’s an fucking talk between white scar and Tau which ends up in Tau not being killed

[spring solar]

that's what confuses me about the inquisition. arent a lot of the inquisitors just baseline humans with modification and training that are able to control the warp? they go insane eventually but they seem to have quite the longevity

[crisp heath]

After throwing shit at imperium

[crisp heath]

Yes but it’s implied that it’s des to “high tech implants”

In a Book

Made by species

[full bane]

Not quite, Inquisitors are humans, but there's no hard or fast rule as to what they need to be.

[crisp heath]

Which doesn’t even feel warp

[spring solar]

i just dont remember reading about space marines in the inquisition much.

[celest dome]

They are rare, but they sometime are part of the Acolyte/Warband

[crisp heath]

Here’s thing , good portion of inquisitors are commonly psykers just because such assets are more capable in this nature of work , outside of it there is drugs which gives psyker powers . Also inquisitors have implants which make them capable to vipe entire squads at need

[celest dome]

Even Rogue Trader sometime have a SM in their close crew

[full bane]

But which have a number of highly psychic races as part of/in alliance to their empire, they themselves don't understand or see it, but between the Nicassar and Demiurg, they do have access to that kind of tech.

It even makes more sense with the knowledge of what the Demiurg are and how their own Psykers operate.

[crisp heath]

Which isn’t carking comparable to humans , he’ll , human kind have generations of experience and training programs to deal with that shit

And they say that those shit fucks do it better just because

Fuck , it’s same case as with they’re gun which can do non physical shit just “because”

And it’s pissing off

[celest dome]

I mean, the Tau are less reprobate on their technology development

[crisp heath]

It doesn’t give them allowance or any explanation to break law of physic

Other species do so because they technology is far beyond imagination

This one’s

[celest dome]

The IoM break the law of physic all the time

[full bane]

So here's the thing about Inquisitors. They can be nearly anyone who is loyal. An Inquisitor might be a solo investigator, an unaugmented human with excellent deductive skills investigating cults and siccing the locals on them. They might be like Grendyl, a mysterious benefactor organizing cells of highly trained acolytes across a large gulf of space. Some are Psykers, some might be Blanks, some might be augmented dudes running around in the thickest power armor available.

[crisp heath]

Use an rail gun wich melt round and somehow doesn’t melt barrel alongside

It’s an bulshit

[celest dome]

Melt round but doesn't ?

[crisp heath]

Barrel*

[full bane]

There's no hard and fast rule as to what an Inquisitor has to be. Sometimes they employ Astartes, sometimes they command entire Regiments of Imperial Guard, and sometimes they have a small group of close confidants.

[crisp heath]

You know physics? Like magnetism

[spring solar]

That clears a lot of things up for me, thanks. Yea some of the stories ive read just gave em too much plot armor i guess lol

[full bane]

Implying that the laws of physics get respected in any 40k media.

[celest dome]

Electromagnetic guns, and electromagnetic plating to protect the gun

[full bane]

Nonsensical sci-fantasy bullshit is how everything functions, trying to apply real world physics leads to every single weapon except stone age stuff breaking down because it's a silly universe which is focused on being over the top.

And tbh I wouldn't have it any other way.

[spring solar]

I mean, i lost all faith in physics in the 40k universe when i learned tech priests praying and appeasing to the machine souls actually works

[crisp heath]

Lasgun transferring energy via fairly physic friendly manner , main weapon of space marine being fairly possible , hell , even plasma gun being adequate made

[wispy marlin]

Question. Do we actually know what a Lasgun is? There are so many conflicting descriptions about it.

[crisp heath]

The higher temperature leads to degrees of magnetic ability of an metal , meaning it will litterally stop moving at some point , especially since it’s transferred to the gases state

[celest dome]

Their prayer is more maintenance techniques

[spring solar]

yea but still... physics yo lol

[crisp heath]

Laser weapon which transfers energy via ray , turning electric energy into kinetic one upon contact

[twin seal]

Most of that works because of the warp and how souls work. Don't expect realism from a series with a magic system set up.

[crisp heath]

Thermal effect is a thing of las canons upon their mining background

[wispy marlin]

Some sources are describing them like that, but then others state that they are transfering kinetic energy etc...

[spring solar]

im all for it

[full bane]

To be fair, a large part of that is taking knowledge and tech-manuals and turning them into rituals.

[wispy marlin]

Luetin made a video a while a ago and he isn't sure about lasguns due to their inconsistent writing

[crisp heath]

Wot, you maybe mean an thermal energy? Then again , there’s a lot of variants of lasguns and some most likely can do that

[celest dome]

Yeah, kinda like the Church of the Atom

[twin seal]

True, melta guns are also explained very differently

[crisp heath]

It can be different patterns then again

[twin seal]

I've had a book describe them as a laser and another thermal

Could be both

The downfall of multiple writers

[full bane]

There isn't a consistent explanation for the workings of Lasguns, Plasmaguns, and the like. We don't even have a proper idea of what a Meltagun firing looks like because it changes from book to book.

[crisp heath]

I think it’s sorta case as with lemon rus

Some book can describe them as shit and it’s possible few to poor materials and shit work on machine itself

[twin seal]

I remember a book where a meltagun melts a tanks engine. Literally explained like a super hairdryer

[crisp heath]

At same time it also can be thing that destroy an titan

Then again

Depends on authors

[twin seal]

Authors and time

[full bane]

Sometimes a lasgun flash-boils a limb and causes the skin to rupture as blood is evaporated, sometimes it sets people on fire, sometimes in drills a tiny laser sized pinprick hole through someone's skull, and sometimes it takes out entire chunks of a person and sends them flying.

[crisp heath]

Also

[spring solar]

Just assuming different settings on those lasgun charges since you can tune the output

[full bane]

Consistency of technology isn't something that you can really point at any one faction and say "they're not doing it right" in my opinion. Because 40k is inconsistent in the first place, we just take an aggregate and build our understandings off of that.

[spring solar]

And most of them are handmedowns

[twin seal]

Not to mention the differences in it being used on various species

[crisp heath]

I fucking hate Damocles gulf crusade novelization

I like it as example how to make an shity space marine characters and how to make them act canon not friendly

But I do hate a book

For people now knowing

Even most adequate and tolerant space marine still belives in imperial truth, an belives of god emperor about superiority of humanity above any other species

This shit is indoctrinated to em

And imagine an WHITE SCAR tolerating some shity xenos throwing shit at humans and imperium

Not Smurf

Not carking salamander

AN white scar

What makes it more hilarious that it’s happens in carking warzone

So he litterally have no reason not to kill it

[full bane]

You mean the Legion/Chapter which recognized Battlefield honour during the Heresy, whose Primarch decided to thoroughly look into both sides before committing, and who primarily operate on the outskirts of Imperial space where fanaticism isn't as intense? It's probably only a White Scar who would act as such in that scenario if their foe had proven worthy.

The Scars respect the hunt, the hunted, and those who would hunt them.

[celest dome]

It's not like they were Black Templars

[full bane]

Yeah, and even individual Templars, when pushed into a corner, have set aside their hatred for a brief period of time and worked alongside the less repulsive Xenos threat to take down the greater foe.

[twin seal]

Number wise, most astartes believing the imperial truth may be true, but most loyal legions do not

If that makes sense

[crisp heath]

It’s one of 2 , either they belive into emperor as god , or they belive in his ideals

3 option is heresy

[twin seal]

Of course they all believe in his ideals?

Thats why they are loyal?

[crisp heath]

Like

[twin seal]

What that legion believes his ideals are is different though

[crisp heath]

There’s difference between an great crusade time ideology with an “Gods doesn’t exist” and else

[earnest snow]

Bit weird. The radicalization of the Imperium since the horus heresy happened has become oppressive. I would agree an astarte from 30k acting this way, but in 40k it's weird considering they're just sitting there insulting them.

[crisp heath]

And todays belive of imperor as god

Some follows an pre heresy ideals yet others are religious

[solar canopy]

it pretty much depends on the culture of the individual chapters

[crisp heath]

Astartes can live for thousands of years , for them heresy is matter of few generations ago

[crisp heath]

Not entirely but somewhat

[earnest snow]

That's true, however doesn't mean the religious side of the Imperium hasn't gone into full throttle on everyone.

[wispy marlin]

Well most Astartes don't see the emperor as a god. There are some chapters like the Black Templars who do

[crisp heath]

Big ones don’t , like smurfs or such

[twin seal]

Not at all

[crisp heath]

Dante

[twin seal]

The oldest is 1400 which is SUPER uncommon

He is the only one

[full bane]

The First Founding chapters do remember when Complaince did not entirely mean genocide, though opinions on that vary based on Chapter.

[twin seal]

Average is around 250

Which is still a lot but not thousands

[crisp heath]

Either way. Thing is , they all are indoctrinated . An whole thing with heresy happens not out of just ideals

[twin seal]

They arent

[crisp heath]

Chaos corruption isn’t just them saying that you’re wrong

Its shit which takes your dearest and most pure ideals and use them in order to slowly and carefully change your view

[full bane]

Indoctrination into the Imperium doesn't mean they don't have their own cultures, interpretations, and points of view. The idea and ideals of the Imperial Truth and what Space Marines undergo varies massively from Chapter to Chapter.

[earnest snow]

They're definitely indoctrinated to serve the emperor. Whether as a God or not doesn't matter.

[crisp heath]

Turning once pure ideas into corrupt trail of i dairy

[crisp heath]

Ideology and culture doesn’t really connect?

[full bane]

Oh almost forgot, outside of Fire Caste, there's a couple of other good Tau books. Sanctuary of Wyrms and Out Caste are pretty decent.

[full bane]

They do connect, that's the point. The ideology of the Imperium is filtered by local culture.

[twin seal]

most 40k astartes see the imperial truth as a warped sense of reality that humans need

[full bane]

Especially amongst the First Founding chapters, who have major roots to those cultures from pre-reunification times.

[twin seal]

astartes know the truths of the warp and dont need that god bs

its looked down upon as uncivilized by many

[crisp heath]

View on certain things , still they still repeat same sentences and same words

What I mean, there’s no chapter which follow its own ideas

They all follow either religion or emperors will

Views may vary

It doesn’t change fact

[twin seal]

The "fact" I was arguing was that "most" astartes do not believe the imperial truth

[earnest snow]

This is true. They revere him more as the pinnacle of humanity. Which always makes it awkward for space marine and citizen interactions. Though those are always awkward even without the religion

[crisp heath]

Isn’t imperial truth an belives of emperor pre heresy ? Or is it creed

[earnest snow]

No.

[full bane]

Except that most don't follow the religious aspects of the Imperium, it's primarily the Black Templars who do that.

[twin seal]

Not just them, many imperial fists chapters do

[full bane]

And while they follow the doctrines laid out by the Emperor and refined by their Primarchs, they all have different takes on it.

[crisp heath]

What is wrong with saying either that or that ?

There’s no astertes whcih follow own belive or shit

They either follow pre heresy ideology of emperor or religion

[twin seal]

Wolves call him all father

[crisp heath]

Religion

[twin seal]

Kinda a mix of a lot of things

[full bane]

Yeah, though I'd chalk that up to the Black Templar's influence.

[twin seal]

Not the imperial religion

Their own thing

[crisp heath]

Is an sanctified imperial cult

[earnest snow]

Uriel ventris literally has a character arc on being a better person in his 3rd book. Astartes can follow their own ideas. There are worlds that have changes to the usual propaganda and religion given to them because of cultural integration.

[twin seal]

Its ignored by the imperium

Just like the omnissiah was/is

[crisp heath]

Whatever you name is

Omnissiah is an ally

Not Part of imperium

[twin seal]

its a religion

[crisp heath]

Look

Tech priests are Allie’s of imperium

[full bane]

Fenrisian and Chogoris shamanism and cultural beliefs say otherwise, and many Chapters (of the Ultramarines stock) are more focused on Doctrine as laid out by their gene-father than the teachings of the Emperor.

[earnest snow]

Omnissiah is the emperor in the admech's religion

[crisp heath]

So they don’t exactly follow imperial laws

[full bane]

"Schism time baby!"

[twin seal]

Just stop dude, you really dont know whats going on lmao

[crisp heath]

Emperor is equivalent of Jesus given by Omnissiah for em

[earnest snow]

The Inquisition really do love the admech. It's great.

[twin seal]

No no no no no no no

Not at all

[full bane]

Only to some Forge Worlds, as always, local beliefs, cultures, and ideology filters and changes the Imperial ideas and truths.

There is no universal standard in 40k.

[crisp heath]

I believe he was litterally called “Messiah” ?

[full bane]

Outside of the fact that everything is shit.

[twin seal]

By some, but not in a jesus christ kinda way

[earnest snow]

Maybe? I'm honestly not familiar with real world religions. I just know the emperor came to Mars did a little funny then convinced an entire faction he may or may not be the Omnissah

That eventually became they believe he is

[crisp heath]

Stuff

[twin seal]

The Omnissiah existed before the Emperor arrived and some of them believed that he was the Omnissiah given form. Not really "Jesus" but messiah fits close enough

[copper quail]

whats the problem here?

[earnest snow]

Good question

[crisp heath]

Nowdays, and generally it’s hard to talk regarding wh lore especially since there’s at least 2 interpretations of same events taking place

Like Leman Rus tank recovery

By one version it was called such by Martian priests

By other by 2 drunk space marines which found this shit very similiar to theyre primarch

[twin seal]

Huh?

[earnest snow]

I enjoy the fact that 40k lore is talked about just like we are in universe. People hear this, people refute that, sometimes the arguments are so muddied we don't know what is what. Honestly gets me immersed lmao

[twin seal]

Wasn't the blueprint found by space wolves so they named it Leman Russ?

Making my head hurt, smh

[crisp heath]

It was either called by priests on mars or by test crew of space wolfs after they did one on they’re own

[twin seal]

Naw

[full bane]

Originally started with Atilla mentioning their faults with a book and how a White Scar character was tolerant enough to listen to a Tau's arguments against the Imperium's values and neither ended up killing each other.
Their argument seems to be that the Astartes are indoctrinated and bound to a very strict point of view of either the Imperial Truth or Creed.
I've been saying that there are many cultures in the Imperium and they all filter and change the Imperium's values in some ways, you can't really expect every character to conform to the norm.

[earnest snow]

I believe the space wolves found the STC plans and it went from there

[twin seal]

Space wolves found the blueprint, brought it to the mechanicum and the mech boys called it the Leman Russ as thanks

[crisp heath]

I Heard version that they choose to make an prototype themselves and after testing it out one made joke that this thing is just as crude and similiar to theyre primarch

[copper quail]

Just joined while the conversation with the Omnissiah's religious thing and the Imperium...was wondering what was the problem there 😄

[full bane]

Haha yeah, it got brought in as a counterpoint.

[earnest snow]

The problem is that the admech didn't get the new iPhone 42k out by midnight

[twin seal]

Yeee

[crisp heath]

Still tau sucks

[twin seal]

[earnest snow]

Tau need to get good at glorious melee combat if they want art of them winning

Every time they're in melee range in the artworks they're losing smh

[full bane]

That's what the slaves auxiliaries are for.

[copper quail]

smh...xD

[earnest snow]

Give Timmy a power sword and some encouraging words from the tau women. He will turn the tide of battle

[full bane]

Tau lore would really benefit from more focus being placed on their multi-culturalism, wide swarth of auxiliaries, and the internal strife and growing xenophobia said auxiliaries are causing.

Every time Kroot do their thing and the newer Fire Warriors are disgusted and lose their lunch is great.

[earnest snow]

yes I will always be disappointed in the lack of alien diversity in the tau atm. I want more from a conglomerate of Xenos instead of just the same couple of species.

[crisp heath]

Tau need not to be an fucking anime shity faction . Because so far they feel like Rey from Star Wars

[scenic sun]

Tbf the kroot are cool af, even with the aliens they have it's kind of meh cause they never show up

[crisp heath]

It’s hard to have that when you litterally idiot which jerk off o eugenica

[earnest snow]

Wuh...wuh

[scenic sun]

Wha

[full bane]

Sounds like a meme level understanding of the Tau tbh.

Also what

[earnest snow]

Also kroot are great

[full bane]

Kroot Mercs my beloved.

[crisp heath]

Tau have eugenica program

[scenic sun]

True enough, aren't the guard also ultra ranged focused?

They never get shit for it

[crisp heath]

Including only strict in caste breeding

[scenic sun]

Yeah... That is kind of the point?

[crisp heath]

Which results in height difference and else

[scenic sun]

Like...?

[crisp heath]

Liek usual Tau fire cast is 1,65 meter tall

[scenic sun]

Your point here?

[crisp heath]

Air cast is 1,80 and else

[full bane]

They themselves have a caste system which maintains distinct sub-species. It doesn't detract from the fact that the Empire as a whole is a conglomeration of different races under the Tau.

[crisp heath]

Eugenica is dumb shit ?

[earnest snow]

The guard don't get shit for it because they are A. Humans and we are humans and B. They do get into melee combat with their infantry. They just suck most of the time.

[crisp heath]

As much as cast system

[scenic sun]

Wait until you see what the other factions practice

Lmao

All factions do stupid shit... Is kind of the point at times?

[earnest snow]

Just how the emprah intended, private! A lasgun, some caffeine, and a can do attitude will beat those xenos lovin' sum guns!

[crisp heath]

Not as dumb as eugenica

[full bane]

B-but the Emperor's armies had Void Sealed Carapace armour and Blast Chargers.

[earnest snow]

Lasgun. Caffeine. Can do attitude. That's the standard issue in 40k, good sir

30k it's different

[scenic sun]

sorry turning people into computers because you fear GPUs is not as dumb as forced breeding

(not saying one is better than the other just... both are so stupid it's a moot point to be biase against one)

[scenic sun]

The Tau also get into melee combat.... they also suck at it. Not much of an argument there. Both are "Army with guns and normal dudes", one focuses on fortified defense, the other on mobile warfare

[earnest snow]

Like I said they're normal humans, like us, doing something highly respected. It's the fact the tau are aliens, not us, that gives them so much shit. Its stupid, but it is what it is

[scenic sun]

Oh ye I get it, it's a "us" vs "them" thing

personally I just love almost all factions in 40k, there's very few I don't like or even dislike

[earnest snow]

They're all pretty good in their ow regards

[full bane]

Just need the right authors to get them rolling imo.

[scenic sun]

that's 40k books in general, they range from great pieces to... less readable books

[full bane]

And with the distribution of material, the Xenos get the short end of the stick in terms of having great pieces.

[cedar sedge]

lol

[scenic sun]

Unless you're necrons aparently

is the twice dead king trilogy finished?

[shadow plover]

no third book yet

[full bane]

Eh, even Necrons got the short stick for the longest time.

Though in their case it's more a lack of novels than badly written ones.

Though I'd say Eldar have the worst treatment (Craftworlders do anyway).
Gav Thorpe gives em no respect.

[manic sierra]

think the little references to another hive city on atoma is a future dlc hook?

i wonder why its so hush hush

[shadow plover]

from how they talk about it it seems like it has already fallen

[manic sierra]

i feel like that could be grounds for exterminatus on the planet already then

1 of the 2 hive cities on a planet falling to chaos/getting destroyed in some other way?

[scenic sun]

hives are highly useful, they can still exterminatus the place later on. Let the rejects die and continue fighting, giving up is not yet an option

and Atoma is describes as SPECIALLY productive, so even more reason to not push the funny button

[slow flower]

Guard seem to be holding and the navy seems to own orbit

But for all we know the ground war could be going terribly.

[manic sierra]

it doesnt seem to be painted very favorably

i mean the chasm terminus assassination mission shows the guard on the defensive

and the manufactorum mission states the balance is precarious enough that the loss of just one could lose the war

[scenic sun]

hopefully they exterminatus the planet with our rejects safely inside the mourningstar not mid mission

that'd be a bummer

[scenic sun]

tbf one of the voicelines states that the "Karkers on the upper spire probably haven't noticed the warzone going on in the underhive"

[manic sierra]

isnt that ever the case, regardless of the planet? richies dont care

[short steeple]

But this planet makes leman russes and morbius iron

Can't blow it up

[slow flower]

But that also means thr richies aren't getting nurglings in their garden

[short steeple]

Also yeah I do think this is the case

The guard PDF is having to defend against the planets own most esteemed regiment, the 6th moebian

[scenic sun]

or maybe the cult is only in the underhive and the "important" middle and upper hives are fine

we really do not know

[short steeple]

The cult was able to board and wreck a prison ship

Even if just to save a captain

[scenic sun]

that was the mordian sixth who did it, they probably still have flight capable vessels

[short steeple]

Also, reliable daemon summoning

Beasts of nurgle and possessed daemonhosts

[scenic sun]

the cult are the guys in beige, but you're right, this cult is not fucking arround

not anymore

[short steeple]

Yeah

The cult and the moebian are clearly working closely together

Then there's also the case of them poisoning water supplies and spreading the poxwalker plague or whatever it's called

[scenic sun]

tbf to get even ONE daemon host is a tedious, TEDIOUS thing, normal cults don't get to do that. They are certantly powerful

[short steeple]

I'm more impressed by actual fucking daemons

Beasts of nurgle are just daemons, can't be easy to summon.

[scenic sun]

Yeah, when I saw the Beast of Nurgle and Daemonhost I thought "Okay this cult is not fucking arround"

[short steeple]

That's when I realised this cult wasn't fucking around, fighting my first beast

[scenic sun]

It's also not a nurgling or plaguebearer, it's a BIG daemon

[short steeple]

Yeah, I'd expect nurglings to be in the bins somewhere idk

[scenic sun]

to summon a nurgling or plaguebearer, that's "Easy". A beast? nah

[short steeple]

Numerous Beasts

And possessed

[slow flower]

Would a plaguebearer not be higher up in the demonic hierarchy

[scenic sun]

he's higher intelligence but lower strenght

[short steeple]

Daemons are ranked by strength, not intelligence

[scenic sun]

it's like a daemonette and a fiend for slanesh, I'd rather face the daemonette

[short steeple]

And we all saw that teaser from fatshark, with the great unclean one.

[manic sierra]

ok but theres still the chance that theyve destroyed an entire 2nd hive city

[scenic sun]

what?

[short steeple]

Also also, we fight the cult on the surface

[scenic sun]

great unclean ones are BIG, like BIG BIG, I doubt they had one in the trailer

[scenic sun]

lower surrface

[short steeple]

These guys aren't just underhivers

[scenic sun]

tbf

[short steeple]

We could see the sky, that's surface to me

With daemons and poxwalkers up there

[scenic sun]

lower surface of a hive world is even worse than the underhive i belive, but i get you

[short steeple]

These guys aren't crawling about In sewers chanting to nurgle

This cults getting shit done

[scenic sun]

well they are, but they're doing more than that

lol

[short steeple]

And they aren't just sat twiddling their thumbs

Actively disrupting factories, fighting the PDF, etc

[scenic sun]

also, you mentioned a great unclean one? Where did you see the big fattie?

[short steeple]

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[manic sierra]

thats the daemonhost, not GUO

[slow flower]

The surface mission is actually the only one I can think of that doesn't have a guard presence

[short steeple]

Daemonhosts have horns?

[manic sierra]

bro if they arent going to pit us against a single plague marine, no way in hell are they pitting us against a GUO, thats like, the highest level daemon of nurgle

[short steeple]

Who said we could beat it

That's a fucking grey knights level threat

But yeah in that teaser, it's 100% a GUO

[slow flower]

The daemonhost has horns

[manic sierra]

the daemonhosts we fought had horns

[short steeple]

Oh fun

[full bane]

It's the Daemonhost

[short steeple]

No those eyes

Their too close together

No way can it be the daemonhost

[scenic sun]

you seen how big GUO are in daemongate trailer?

no way we take those down

[short steeple]

Yeah that'd be like

Objective: run

[scenic sun]

a greater daemon appearing is a world ending threat

[slow flower]

That teaser wnt out the day they slipped thr daemonhost in

[short steeple]

Ok

[slow flower]

So I'm inclined to believe it's the daemonhost

[scenic sun]

they actively wrap reality and make places unlivable with their mere presence. We'd be killed by plague just by standing next to the fucker

[ornate umbra]

game back up yet?

[short steeple]

That isn't the place to ask that lmao check your launcher

[scenic sun]

I belive it's the daemonhost yet, still an extremly impressive feat

[short steeple]

Still yes

The cult is very culty

[scenic sun]

I'm just surprised we don't see lil'nurglings or the ocasional plague bearer about.

[short steeple]

And the moebian are able to perform boarding parties and control the train network

[short steeple]

Nurglings as scenery object's, hiding in bins and corpses

[scenic sun]

what?

fr?

[short steeple]

No but itd be cool

[scenic sun]

oh lol, kinda yeah

[slow flower]

Also there seems to be a chronology to the missions

[short steeple]

Is there

[manic sierra]

yeah i know FS likes to bend the lore a lil to pit us against iconic threats, but a killing a great unclean one would be a little too out there. Its a daemon strong enough to give space marine chapters pause, let alone 4 dudes with half shit gear

[ornate umbra]

Nurgle loves you and just wants to show the cool thing he made.

[slow flower]

Based on some of the dialog at least.

[short steeple]

Aw

Man

[slow flower]

I mean there's some adventure paths for the TTRPG where you face off against greater daemons so it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility

[manic sierra]

i mean maybe in some DLC in the future when they establish the rejects as a bit more than just "4 dudes"

[scenic sun]

i wouldn't say our gear is half shit

at least for the pysker and veteran

[rose gyro]

well we are the rejects

they are whom we decided them to be

[scenic sun]

Well... yeah, you guys know the story of our characters as we level up?

[storm jungle]

Late but

FYI

[rose gyro]

and we are expendable

[storm jungle]

The horns and daemonic features disappear after you kill the daemonhost

but yeah its the Host either way

[scenic sun]

makes sense

i feel the daemonhost wasn't willingly possesed to, judging by her dialogue

makes it even sadder

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah maybe

its either the good old luring trick or it being actually miserable

[scenic sun]

probably a pysker they got when they took the hive, or maybe (and this is home-canon) it's a reject pysker

[slow flower]

Abnett had to sneak the Cherubael callback in.

[scenic sun]

afterall, they ARE taking us prisoner

[storm jungle]

True true

also yeah my boi Abby cannot resist daemonhosts

[scenic sun]

I wouldn't be surprised if the pyskers at least were captured and made into daemonhosts, or ogryns into plage ogryns

do we know what type of daemon is possesing the host even? Lesser, greater...

[slow flower]

Only problem I see is that daemonhosts seem kinda redundant when you're summoning actual daemons

[storm jungle]

Its a pretty OP/violent one thats for sure

[manic sierra]

no but judging from the power of it, daemonhosts are weaker the more tightly bound the daemon, so probably lesser

[scenic sun]

daemonhosts can be controlled way easily

daemons might feel funny and murder you instead, specially khorne daemons

[storm jungle]

^

Daemons also hate being bound/controlled by humans

[slow flower]

But the more controllable they are the weaker they are

[scenic sun]

daemonhosts and daemonengines are tightly kept in place by their creator, with specific orders they cannot stray from

yep, but what's the point of a strong daemon if it's a liability?

[humble locust]

hey guys can you give me a quick 2 min summary on all the warhammer lore?

[storm jungle]

Would 20 work?

[scenic sun]

shit's fucked up yo

[storm jungle]

this galaxy is fucked up bruh

[slow flower]

Pulling out a twice-bound when you're also summoning beasts of nurgle seems like a weird division of effort

[manic sierra]

everyone bad but chaos badder

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside

https://youtu.be/05YRMHWtv1Y

best you can get

[scenic sun]

i put it as gameplay mechanic

[full bane]

Everythin horrible no good terrible place.

[humble locust]

wow epic

[storm jungle]

no thats just real life

[slow flower]

Or the daemonhost belongs to Grendyl.

Dundundun

[scenic sun]

What ordo is Grendyl from even?

my bet is hereticus but idk

[slow flower]

Probably xenos

[scenic sun]

xenos?

[scenic sun]

why

[storm jungle]

Hereticus

the characters say it

[slow flower]

A joke.

[scenic sun]

maleous would be nice too

but yeah hereticus, so he's likely a puritan. Hereticus tend to be the most "Stick up their ass" type of inquisitors

[slow flower]

Not that much of a puritan given the willingness to use prison-psykers

[manic sierra]

inquisitors have a very broad jurisdiction in how they get their job done

[scenic sun]

I bet it wasn't his first option exactly

[full bane]

Prison-Psykers sounds like contraband.

Like you're smuggling a shiv, some spook, and some illegal psykers in your butt past the guards.

[scenic sun]

and... well, you make a point, ||he does raise prisoners to the rank of basically stormtroppers||

[scenic sun]

some actual RPG 40k plot idea

lmao

[storm jungle]

could a psyker FIT in an ogryn's rear for a smuggling operation?

[scenic sun]

the pysker would pop someones head at the mere suggestion i feel like

[storm jungle]

We're taking cavity search to a whole new level

[full bane]

Only one way to find out.

[storm jungle]

[full bane]

Get a flashlight and some rope, we're going to have to go in and take a look around.

[manic sierra]

i like how whack the classes are as well
Ogryn: Towering mass of muscles, on par or exceeding space marines
Veteran: A season militarum soldier, very good at their job and with the gun
Psyker: Incredibly dangerous and powerful psychic individual who can literally burst your brain with a look

Zealot: just a person who loves emps a lot

[scenic sun]

Zealot can also be a veterant from a militia i feel, but yes. Sometimes divine inspiration is all that's needed

[storm jungle]

They kick arse for the LORD

https://tenor.com/view/dead-alive-kick-ass-for-the-lord-zombie-tombstone-horror-gif-21602390

[slow flower]

What monster put an Ogryn in prison, is the real question

[storm jungle]

they just net gunned him

[scenic sun]

I have my headcanon reason

[storm jungle]

if it can take down an ogryn it can down a tank

[scenic sun]

one of the voices mentions how they didn't retreat when everyone else did. I think he and his mates ruined an ambush that was planned out

or fucked up some higher tactical manuvere by NOT moving

[storm tartan]

tbh the netgun should be subpar vs ogryn.. like 1 minute max cause they are stronk

[slow flower]

Like getting a meatcastle known for claustrophobia into a prison without blamming

[scenic sun]

ogryn is a BONE'ead isn't he?

[slow flower]

Some are

[scenic sun]

do they get cured of claustrophobia with that?

[storm tartan]

one is. the other 2 "personalities" arnt

[storm jungle]

the "YES SAH" one is a bonehead

[scenic sun]

I belive all of our ogryns should be bone'eads, or genious level of smart for an ogryn

[storm jungle]

he complains about it telling him to do stuff at times

[storm tartan]

bully and the russian ones arnt Bone-eds iirc

[storm jungle]

Nah ogryn can learn just fine, they basically got the mind of children more or less.

[scenic sun]

they are all very high IQ or augmented

[manic sierra]

Brawler personality is a bone 'ead

Bodyguard isn't one but wants to be one
Bully is unknown i believe

[storm tartan]

the bone ed is the "norf FC" one

[scenic sun]

most ogryn are described as feral, barely being able to say "yes" and they can only follow VERY simple orders

[manic sierra]

luv me emps

[scenic sun]

most cannot even shot a gun properly

[storm tartan]

luv me medals

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[scenic sun]

Our boys are real smart and we should protect them

I really feel the connection between veteran and ogryn

[storm tartan]

the "bri'ish" one 😛 not the russian or the "bully" one 😛

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982015230383112224/1047171862033084487/bW1D_nAM-1msv31u.mp4

[storm tartan]

xD

naw too much facial hair now a days for em 😛

fml this wait is painful.. and im even accounting for an extra hour or so for "lateness"

[scenic sun]

god I love bri'tish people

[storm tartan]

joe you dont say the T 😛

[scenic sun]

i apologize inhabitor of albion

anyone here is very fluent in tyranid lore?

[slow flower]

Listening to the guardsman is thr closest thing to normal for the ogryn, I guess.

[storm tartan]

i wonder what the numbers of players are from Cadia this time.. because i damn well know.. CADIA STANDS!

[scenic sun]

Ogryn: "Many scars in body, lost count of them"

Veteran: "I envy you big man, you only ever have to worry about the scars from the outside. I also have to deal with the scars from the inside" 🥲

[storm tartan]

oof

[slow flower]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-gif-24544226

[dull flame]

A fair amount. Not that there's a lot to mention. Extragalactic hive mind controlling a numberless swarm of murderous bio forms that strip planets of all life is changing it's address to the Milky Way and killing everything it finds in his new house. May or may not have moved in prior and is now dealing with the squatters. (Hive Fleet Tiamet)

[scenic sun]

also, my character ain't from cadia

[storm tartan]

heretic sighted!

[scenic sun]

pysker loner voice is extremly heretical yes

lmao

[slow flower]

Favorite voice

[storm jungle]

Loner is so good

him shit-talking the Imperium is the main reason I use him

[slow flower]

Definitely would be blammed

[scenic sun]

I have the female loner but yes

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/671720491677122590/1043617562631622766/image.png

my man spittin' FACTS

[scenic sun]

"Ah yes, the imperium, what good brought us this mechanitzation of humanity?"

[storm tartan]

just you wait.. im quite sure veteran will get a commisar outfit.. and them you will be purged >:3

[slow flower]

Commissar might be a whole different archetype

[storm tartan]

maybe

[slow flower]

Hopefully

[scenic sun]

Veteran comissar class when?

[storm tartan]

but som eone did tell me in VT they released the game with extra architypes or w/e so.. heres hoping

[scenic sun]

Ork freebota class please

[slow flower]

Brahms' hidden ork krew

[storm tartan]

i wonder what other class the ogryn could have other then skullcrusher.. cause bullgryn is basically the same isnt it?

[copper quail]

lorewise...never

[full bane]

He's out of line... but he's right.

Basically everything the Loner says

[storm jungle]

Yep

[slow flower]

Whyso?

[storm jungle]

he has a good mix of "hes right but this man is also unhinged"

[scenic sun]

loner just rants about the industrial revolution and its consequences

[storm jungle]

Commissars will be assigned to anywhere that is asked of them. They arent always with guard regiments.

[full bane]

The female version is less unhinged and more angry I feel.

[scenic sun]

my friend plays loose-cannon guardsmen and the dialogue between the two is too funny

even better when my judge zealot friend also joins in

[scenic sun]

female version is russian, and sounds more spiteful than just simply unhinged

[storm tartan]

i remember in the beta beta the psyker once had an argument/dialog with the subtites or something

[scenic sun]

like she says this shit now since we're all probably dying today

[scenic sun]

male loner yeah

[full bane]

Yeah I use her and she's just absolutely done with the Imperium's shit.

As compared to the male Loner who is a cynical nutcase with surprising insight.

[scenic sun]

I don't blame her. One time judge zealot went "Do you think abhumans have souls? The emperor made them, yes, but while I am perfect, they are still twisted"

My ogryn friend and my character were like:

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[full bane]

I like how she brings up the Emperor when the Zealot shit talks Psykers in general

[storm tartan]

of course ogryns have souls!

[scenic sun]

she knows a ton of stuff, weird but still entretaining

[scenic sun]

blurps "That came right outta mah soul, shouty!"

actual response

[slow flower]

Do nulls have souls?

[copper quail]

well, from the plot we know so far, we arrived at tertium to meet our end. then the plotwas driven that way, that the Tancred Bastion was attacked and in the end we escaped to the morningstar. so apperently there are many 4 player convict squads running threw tertium, while there is no guards regiment or anything else that seems like it has any form of command structure or anything else that requieres someone to keep the moral high. Infact it seems like the inquisitor is doing that job already

[storm jungle]

Nulls/Blanks are soulless

[storm tartan]

probably.. but because they are nulls it may be like trying to see the core of a black hole

[scenic sun]

Comissar could also be a prisoner

[full bane]

Also her calling the Emperor a "Carrion Lord" and espousing the Imperial Truth is hilarious. Wish we got more insight into how the Loner got their knowledge.

[storm jungle]

A lot of it is close to meta too

[scenic sun]

She knows about the imperial truth yeah, funny

she's more in tune with how the emperor thought than zealot

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

whenever the Loner says any of that the Zealot is like

"SHUT IT, NO MORE."

"Haha cope"

[scenic sun]

"Lolololol"

[storm tartan]

dilara i can totally envision that in the 2 chicks and the cat meme format

[scenic sun]

I love the late level voicelines

Judge zealot actually goes "You know, in the end, you're all like family. Even you witch. Adopted family that is, but still close"

[storm jungle]

I REALLY really love how Fatshark actually kept that promise they made in the magazine

where the dialogue actually changes as you level up

[storm tartan]

mhm even rando npcs chance their comments about you.. heck even hadron begrudgingly seems to like you when they comment about how you will return

[scenic sun]

when we heard that voice (mind me and my friends played together always, so our characters always went together) we freaked out a bit

[full bane]

Varlet turns into less of an insult as well over time.
"Get out there and kill some heretics will you Varlet"

[slow flower]

What sort of regiment was the Moebian 6th?

[scenic sun]

"Yes mommy"

[scenic sun]

standard guard regiment from the looks of it, taken from different planets in the domain

[storm tartan]

isnt that the imperium equivalent of "go out and mow the lawn"? xD

[scenic sun]

i think they have heavy armour, we just don't go up against their lemman russes

ye, the guardsmen at the morningstar start asking you to take them with you on your next mission

lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO

thats cute

[storm tartan]

must be cadian.. if they got balls that big

[scenic sun]

cadians aren't put in a good light in this game

[slow flower]

Probably heavy infantry then, right?

[scenic sun]

to me they sound bitter, pompous and just generally "Ah yes i am above you all"

[slow flower]

What with all the special weapons

[scenic sun]

the moebian sixth are a full regiment, they have plasma, lasscannons, flight capable ships...

probably they got leman russes too but we don't fight them

[storm tartan]

idk joe, they do sound a bit bitter and cynical but at the heart of it they were born and bred soldiers not just constripts

[slow flower]

Full regiments aren't a thing though

[storm tartan]

tbh id love to see/hear what a catachan soldier would be like in DT

[slow flower]

Like they're divided on purpose.

[scenic sun]

belive some aren't, maybe some are

[storm tartan]

also wouldnt it make sense that its a mix of militarum and PDF on tertium ?

[scenic sun]

asking about anything being standard in the guard is usless, their structures all change. maybe they are heavy infantry or infantry specialized regiment

but they're mentioned having tanks, and we see they have ships capable of boarding action

[slow flower]

As it stands they're kept that way to dissuade rebellion .

Clearly it didn't work in this case

[scenic sun]

was about to say that

[slow flower]

But I have to imagine a lot of their current kit was pillaged

[scenic sun]

perhaps too

[slow flower]

I'm also curious what they were fighting when they turned traitor

[storm jungle]

Fits them imo

the fans wank Cadians a lot

at the end of the day they are just bitter and proud troopers

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-is-often-disappointing-marvel-mcu-gif-16316172

[scenic sun]

yeah

pampered fuckers clearly

[storm tartan]

ofc they are bitter, they lost their homeworld

[slow flower]

They're beardy boys who held the door against Chaos until they literally couldn't.

[storm jungle]

so basically my dad

except Chaos in this case is the bank

https://tenor.com/view/irs-wheres-my-money-punch-gif-13604291

[storm tartan]

and even as the planet broke apart, one could still see lazgun fire. the planet broke before the guard

heck didnt even eldar AND necros show up to fight against chaos in the endtimes of cadia too?

[slow flower]

Also you gotta figure there's some survivors guilt with the cadian

He presumably wasn't there so of course he talks up Cadians as the biggest heroes of the Imperium

[storm tartan]

may have to go re-listen to ARCH's "fall of cadia" video

[storm jungle]

They more or so did it for their own reasons

we all need meatshields

[storm jungle]

I love how almost half the characters tell him to shut up about it admittedly

[storm tartan]

indeed and cadia was the stalwart wall against chaos for the longest time

[storm jungle]

I mean kind of

you could just go around it

which is what most chaos legions did

Space is kind of big

https://tenor.com/view/sail-away-sail-ocean-boat-sailing-gif-13705319

[slow flower]

It's like a net

[swift hound]

Can lucius res from nid attack?....

[slow flower]

Some things are small enough to slip through.

[storm jungle]

As long as Slaanesh wishes it, yes

[swift hound]

Or nid just got itself buffet

[storm jungle]

Nah

Lucius can respawn through any bullshit explanation

[storm tartan]

true Dilara but wouldnt most chaos feel slighted because cadia was there inspite of and to spite chaos?

[storm jungle]

I mean kind of?

[swift hound]

Like that mine lol

[storm jungle]

The only time chaos fully attacked Cadia it got demolished so

all the other 12 Black Crusades went past it for other targets

[slow flower]

Not for lack of trying

[storm tartan]

it was a despiration act to slam that giant ship into the planet just to win the war?

[storm jungle]

Nah

[slow flower]

Cadia wasn't ignored in the previous 12, it was bypassed at cost

[storm jungle]

I mean that cost doesnt matter, they all achieved their objective since it wasnt their main objective

[storm jungle]

Abaddon slammed the Blackstone Fortress into Cadia because the necron pylons were closing the Eye of Terror

[slow flower]

But they didn't achieve their objective either

[storm jungle]

Abaddon more or less did the smartest thing seeing as he couldnt destroy all the pylons scattered across an entire planet lmao

[storm tartan]

exactly.. despiration

[storm jungle]

They did tho

[slow flower]

None of the 12 were successful

[storm jungle]

...they were LMAO

Gathering Storm literally says it

none of the targets were Cadia

it was chaos mcguffins and the destruction of more pylons

theres a reason its called the Long War

[dull flame]

The first 12 all accomplished small goals that built towards the success of the 13th. Militarily it failed, for sure.. but the overall strategic goal moved forward with each one.

[storm jungle]

They didn't really fail though, again

they did the job and went back to the Eye

no use standing around when you got the job done and wait for the next Crusade

Imperials do this all the time

[storm tartan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C07IBfAUaXY&ab_channel=VedaRa

[storm jungle]

Cadia went bye-bye

[slow flower]

All the 13th accomplished was bringing back the space dwarves

But yeah for all 13 crusades, Cadia represented an obstacle that needed circumventing.

[storm tartan]

took them 13 crusades to do it..

[storm jungle]

They werent targetting Cadia.

Again.

lol

[rose gyro]

the Crimson Path

[storm jungle]

this is what happens when you learn your lore through memes

[rose gyro]

which aimed at Terra but miss the target

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/e/ea/BlackCrusades3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130831031102

[storm jungle]

Probably because the 13th crusade is still ongoing

also

"projection course"

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[rose gyro]

I would say the Crimson Path is the Great Rift

[storm jungle]

The Great Rift is the Great Rift

[slow flower]

Being a contentious dick about lore is a bad look

Also as far as i can tell the 13th is not ongoing

It's referred to as a past event rather than an ongoing one at least

Also funnily enough the 13 as planned was also not a success

[storm jungle]

Likewise in that case

[storm jungle]

The galaxy

is literally

torn in half

[devout oxide]

It’s beyond strange to me that people count cadia being destroyed, the galaxy ripped in half and countless worlds falling to chaos or outright destroyed as a not success lol

[slow flower]

What was Abbadon's goal?

[storm jungle]

To make the Imperium more or less bleed

[full bane]

To collect the Chaos Emeralds

[storm jungle]

which is going constantly atm

[storm jungle]

Also correct

[storm jungle]

Like its fine to say Cadia Stands or whatever but this whole "The Black Crusades failed at all their objectives" is so tiring to me at this point I DONT EVEN LIKE OR CARE ABOUT CHAOS EITHER

[devout oxide]

Abbadon goal was to turn cadia into hell world lol. Now you can actually see cadia from the mourningstar ops deck as the nice pile of rocks out the window

[full bane]

But yeah, the Black Crusades were about him amassing power via artifacts, deeds, and other Chaos whatsits, and destroying key infrastructure from the War in Heaven/previous eras that kept warp rifts from going out of control.

[slow flower]

The goal of the 13th black crusade was to expand the eye of terror to the point it would consume terra

At least that was stated as abbadons goal

In this not happening, that suggests he has nor accomplished his goal.

[devout oxide]

Where does he say that about terra? He said he wanted to do that to cadia. In fact, khayon explicitly states in black legion anyone who thinks the black crusades plan is “just take terra” is a fo lol

[slow flower]

CSM codex

[full bane]

I think it's fair to call the Black Crusades phyrric victories. Abaddon gets driven back and retreats after each one but he generally achieves a number of his major strategic objectives and bleeds the Imperium for it.

[devout oxide]

The newest one? And the galaxy being ripped in 2 is a pretty tangible win

[slow flower]

It's the origin of the crimson path as I recall

Gained ground, failed goal

[full bane]

Oh definitely, though he sacrificed a fair number of major assets to achieve it.

[slow flower]

Like sacrificing the Blackstone fortress to destroy cadia wasn't the plan

[devout oxide]

It’s going to be interesting to see what happens in book 3 of TBL series and where we are. Terra stands, yes, but 40K is a setting, not a linear story. Terra can’t fall to keep the setting alive without a complete old world cop out

[storm jungle]

At this point this is just

"Well Abaddon kinda won sure BUT he failed here"

like okay

that happens to anyone

[devout oxide]

Destroying cadia for a black stone is 100% one of the best uses for them

[slow flower]

Age of Vodann

[storm jungle]

at the end of the day the half of the Imperium is lost

so yeet

[devout oxide]

Yeah it’s essentially “look chaos got this massive win but did you know terra is still around”

[full bane]

No plan survives contact with the enemy. Man made use of the assets he had and achieved a major strategic goaal.

[storm jungle]

If an Imperial character did the Blackstone fortress throw people would be praising them to no end lol

"What an astute decision, sure we lost the planet but it was the right thing to do"

[full bane]

Plus they did try and grab Terra, it got Warp Storm-ed and hit by a massive Daemonic Invasion.

[devout oxide]

It’s funny because I love both sides in the conflict, but the imperium losing terra is like the imperium closing the rift but 100000x worse. There is the emps and the talisman of 7 hammers and all the dungeon nonsense on terra, terra falling has so many different lose conditions not for just humanity but the actually setting it literally cannot happen without going age of sigmar style

[storm jungle]

Yeah like the entire reason Terra didnt get nommed by the hell-portals is because we need to sell toys, its been that way since forever and thats fine

same as how Necrons or Orks arent killing everyone lol

[shadow plover]

Some day some necron stumbles next to the star destroyer laptop and destroys the Sun accidentally and the setting ends

[devout oxide]

Yup lol. It’s why I think you will continue to see a heavy tau push/expansion as far as random wins goes. Yes the tau have power and are cool but overall they are so tiny it’s pretty unimportant what they do as far as the entire galaxy is concerned.

[full bane]

And part of the problem is that you can't really fit in an impactful Tau defeat without killing off one of their subfactions.

[devout oxide]

Yeah some necron with 60 million years of brain rot randomly winks out the sun by screwing with the celestial orrery

[full bane]

Either it's worlds nobody cares about, or it's the capital of their major Sept or something.

They're just so small lol

[devout oxide]

Yup. I think the tau are cool, don’t play them, most books are very meh to me but the tau getting slapped down 2 hard ends the tau. It’s why their biggest “oopsie” is based around a expansion phase lol

[full bane]

You can write novels about the Tau losing on minor worlds all day long, but the main campaign books like Damocles tend to be on stuff they can't afford to lose narratively.
As opposed to the Imperium, where you can blow up Cadia and just go "You guys know there's at least a hundred New Cadia's out there settled by their regiments on various crusades yeah".

[slow flower]

It's the effect of being the "new" guy

[devout oxide]

Yeah cadia is pretty consistently mentioned as number 2 only to terra, but the imperium can survive being cut in 2. You can’t have the setting without the imperium, the setting was just fine without people like the tau.

[full bane]

For a given value of new lol

21 years as part of a game that's been around for 35.

And a lot of the fanbase acts like they were retconned into existence last year.

[slow flower]

I more meant "new" lorewise

[full bane]

Oh lol, yeah that makes sense.

[slow flower]

Vodann are the FNGs in terms of shit released

[devout oxide]

I forget how long the game has been around but it really hit home when I have marines/arbites from 1992 lol. I’m sure there are people in the UK with 35+ years of experience

[dense path]

btw, whats the pattern of lasgun the new cadians are using

[devout oxide]

The squats are from the 90’s lol

[dense path]

it's def no a kantrael

[full bane]

True, but they're also building off of lore from the 90s, just with a whole bunch of stuff added in to reframe it.

[primal bone]

I'm not a lore buff at all, and I saw in one of the missions that the imperium has a facility capable of bombarding it's citizens with subliminal, psychic brainwashing. Is this what it's used for and is it standard?

[devout oxide]

Kantrael didn’t fall did it?

[full bane]

Pretty sure it's a Kantreal.

[slow flower]

The psychic messaging is more a result of the daemon possessing the facility I believe

[dense path]

it looks closer to a ryze or lucius than a kanreal tbh

[primal bone]

@slow flower Ah okay, but after you liberate the facility you hear that the message has been replaced with a pro-imperium one?

[devout oxide]

All there stuff historically comes from kantrael, but being how cadia is gone and cadians are literally everywhere it could be any pattern in the setting

[slow flower]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's a 'regular' propaganda-broadcasting station normally

[primal bone]

Ah okay, thanks!

[devout oxide]

The vox casts from warhammer crimes main hive city in the books are hilarious

Like peak meme level Imperial propaganda

[storm jungle]

"THERE SHALL BE NO THINKING."

[full bane]

Looks like a slightly more detailed and gribbly Kantreal to me

[dense path]

i must have seen another one, it had no pistol grip and looked longer but same shape

[full bane]

As opposed to the current model for the Lucius pattern

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a Kantreal, its a lot more just "We got better mini-making abilities to show them with more detail now"

[dense path]

ahh fair play

will try to find the one i seen though

this one

[full bane]

Looks like a Kantreal seen from the bottom/at an angle.

[dense path]

may be, looks like a stock grip though, maybe a new pattern all together

[shadow plover]

some of them do not have the pistol grip and the top is a bit different

[crisp heath]

That just looks like a different pattern, that stock grin vs pistol grip difference is visually drastic

[slow flower]

It's the california compliant Kantreal.

[full bane]

Yeah, the body is still a Kantreal from the top.

Probably modifications for comfort.

[storm jungle]

love the tommy-gun dude at the back

[shadow plover]

this one looks like a kantreal

yeah the tommy gun is great

[storm jungle]

yeee

and again yeah its just a more 4K HD version of a kantreal

[dense path]

tommy gun in darktide when

[storm jungle]

we are just too used to the Box-Look

[full bane]

4K HD Kantreal, now with a box of weapon attachments.

[crisp heath]

I’ve

Nice*

[dense path]

the RTX on kantrael is confusing me

[slow flower]

I'm glad someone appreciated that one.

[stable jungle]

scions are based enough said

[scenic sun]

Scions are little space marines

[devout oxide]

I really love the old SAS style storm troopers, I have a 3k point all scions army done fuedal guard style because it’s not bad but I would of gone crazy painting like 150 of those damn scion models

[stable jungle]

i may be a bit biased as i run a scion group but scions > marines

disciplined cold blooded killers

[rose thorn]

Oh hey it’s California approved!

[barren tapir]

The guns that new cadias are using are mostly kantrael, but since now they are nearly all on the move they cannot repair them super well, so they are more field kantrael, that is why some of the minis guns don't have the pistol grip, is to show that they are jury rigging them to keep them working

[crisp heath]

Wait is the guy T posing Receiving the sword? I always thought the guy was receiving the sword from the t posing guy

[barren tapir]

This would be better for meme channel, but look at the positioning, one is offering a sword with the head lowered, the other is showing his superiority by being with open arms

[crisp heath]

I’ve seen the format used both ways so it’s kinda wild that I’ve never known what the intention of the piece was before lol

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/angels-with-even-filthier-souls-i-believe-ya-tommy-gun-you-lie-liar-gif-10574727

[storm jungle]

Mfer misplaced my pizza order 😔

[ionic sorrel]

If the primarchs were ladies who would be the hottest?

[barren tapir]

Doesn't matter

[ionic sorrel]

How So?

[barren tapir]

It isn't lore

[storm jungle]

Yeah go ask those on r/40klore lol

[barren tapir]

Nah, better 40K memes, lets not sully other places that should be about lore

[dusk patrol]

I think the “My Foot” primarch would be

But only after he finds his legion the “Up your ass” Legion

[ionic sorrel]

Not sure about the feet primarch but emperors children is already a legion.

[crisp heath]

Did the Emperor ever have a name or can we assume that His image has been propagandized so much that the name eventually became irrelevant or lost?

[barren tapir]

Yes

He had names

[crisp heath]

Many but they stopped being important to him after a while

[barren tapir]

He had a name up until the unification war, when he started using the title "emperor of mankind" suggested by Malcador the Hero

[crisp heath]

Mfw he uses Malacdor’s proper title

[noble hinge]

I love 40k lore it soooo deep and soo weird and fucked up

[storm jungle]

just like real life

[crisp heath]

What's the lore reason for a hive city being absolutely filled with exploding barrels

What did dan abnett mean by this

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-leonardo-decaprio-because-its-awesome-gif-7735432

[nocturne silo]

is there such a thing as a *non-*exploding barrel?

[dusk patrol]

Actually yes

Sometimes the splodey ones pretend to be non splodey ones in game.

But I see through their deception

[nocturne silo]

hey, if you're not exploding the barrels, then you're not transferring enough energy into them

[dusk patrol]

I

See

[nocturne silo]

remember: every machine is a smoke machine if you use it badly enough

[crisp heath]

Wow so true

[nocturne silo]

for realsies, tho, I really hate when I shoot one of the fake-out barrels and sit there waiting like an idiot for it to go off

[dusk patrol]

I just want things to explode

[crisp heath]

He has a canon name

Seth

Biblical Seth, that is, from the story of Caine and Abel

Given master of mankind states he is the son of Abel, as hes the son of the first murder

[dusk patrol]

That’s uh, not at all what is said in Master of Mankind

He was just born into a very early tribe, and witnesses his uncle being murdered I believe

[crisp heath]

C o r r e c t

You got half of it

Missed the other half

This is also why the end of empires was so potent against him

[cyan oxide]

is master of mankind a good book?

[dusk patrol]

The end of Empires was so potent because it represented the antithesis to him and the Imperium, it’s how the warp works.

Also it’s not even clear if any of the “backstory” we see is true, the whole book is told in a way that he might have just been lying to Ra

[regal jasper]

mood

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Top 3 heresy books imo

[cyan oxide]

anything required to read it before hand?

[dusk patrol]

Uh A Thousand Sons, the originally three Heresy books

You need context on the War in the Webway a bit

[cyan oxide]

will i be good if i look up a summary

[dusk patrol]

I would always recommend reading the books

[cyan oxide]

well yea but i dont want to read so much

i just want big E

[dusk patrol]

I would always recommend reading the contextual books

[storm jungle]

None of this is true.

The First Murder was literally made before Big E was even born in the Hittite tribes lmao

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Big E's first kill was because his uncle murdered his dad

so he just stopped his heart

[dusk patrol]

It represents the antithesis to humanity so it counters him in the warp

But that’s it

It’s implied to have been born from Cain and Abel but like, it’s not related to Big E besides that

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

[thorny turtle]

The Emperor's real name is Kevin. This is the real reason Horus & his brothers betrayed their creator.

[wary geode]

relatively new to 40k lore (about 10 hours). Had me wondering about one thing. Has there ever been a notable person able to escape chaos corruption

[storm jungle]

Chaos corruption is entirely escapable as long as you arent a mutated blob of flesh

[wary geode]

but thats kinda vague right

[thorny turtle]

thats a solid your mom joke in the making

[wary geode]

each god will mutate you in their own ways

or am I missing something

[regal jasper]

in Fantasy there was Settra

and chaos is pretty similar throughout the warhammer games, so probably, may be wrong

[storm jungle]

Settra was never chaos corrupted and he is a half-dead skeleton so not too similiar.

[storm jungle]

Yeah more or less

you can escape its mental-constriction

[wary geode]

Like I kinda get what you mean by mutated blob flesh but I guess I need to dive deeper to understand what you mean x)

cause when you say that all I can see is nurgle

[storm jungle]

Basically just extra-limbs, eyes, lovecraftian stuff spewing or growing out of you

[dusk patrol]

Uh

I guess Sarpedon kinda

But we don’t talk about the Soul Drinkers

[wary geode]

would you say chaos space marines are mutated in that case

[rose gyro]

Yes.

[storm jungle]

Yes

heavily

[rose gyro]

One of the best.

[storm jungle]

But also

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos

lexicanum is your friend

[wary geode]

thanks I will take a look into it

just been bing watching luetins lore videos so far

too much info 😵‍💫

[storm jungle]

Yeah absolutely use lexicanum when confused

its the best summary site

[dusk patrol]

Wdym

He looks fine

[wary geode]

ye just trying to understand the scope of the word mutation in this universe since there are 4 different chaos gods

[storm jungle]

Mutation is more or so any physical deformity as IRL

[thorny turtle]

dudes wearing a crop top

[storm jungle]

chaos mutations are just more "magic" inspired when you worship them over a lenghty period of time

so they give you their "blessings"

[dusk patrol]

Khorne tend to be the least mutated and there’s still plenty of mutation. Like the above.

[storm jungle]

Yeah Khorne is just... horns

usually

[dusk patrol]

Tzeentch is probably the most

[wary geode]

so only way to escape chaos corruption if you are like "exposed" to it is in the early stages of things?

[dusk patrol]

Although it’s kinda splitting hairs at a certain point

When you have a cavernous mouth coming out of your belly, is it really less mutated than the dude with tentacles for eyes?

[rose gyro]

actually...

[storm jungle]

More or less yeah

[astral whale]

And muscles. And hooves. And elongated heads

[little cypress]

There is always escape.

See your local commissariat for your very own bolt pistol round cure!

[rose gyro]

stay true to the Imperial Creed

worship the Emperor with all your heart

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes works

[wary geode]

eldar getting too bored so they decided to spawn slanesh 💀

[dusk patrol]

Being able to kill your self sometimes helps

But not always

[astral magnet]

Once youre mutated or mind fucked its cronic from there. You can like remove appendages and stuff, no telling what else would grow in its place or the horrific scars it would leave behind.

[astral whale]

Slaanesh is telling me to worship Big E. Hmmmmmm

[storm jungle]

People always fall to hedonism and sick shit when bored

especially if you are powerful and rich

ala like most imperial nobility

[dusk patrol]

Heresy is like a great tree

[wary geode]

yea I just find the domino effect of a race getting bored quite hilarious

[rose gyro]

I always believe Slaanesh is the Eldar Goddess

[dusk patrol]

No matter how much you may trim it’s branches and cut it down

It grows back ever stronger

Ok but sir that’s not how trees wor-

Blam

[astral whale]

The Eldar have their own pantheon though.

[rose gyro]

dead. devoured.

[dusk patrol]

Mostly had

A few remain

[astral whale]

Not Isha

[naive orbit]

Not Cegorah

[dusk patrol]

Literally four still kinda exist

[little cypress]

Mirror to Ynnead.

[storm jungle]

Yeah more or less

[dusk patrol]

One is sleeping, is one captured, and one is shattered

[rose gyro]

Eldar Pantheon might not be the gods

[dusk patrol]

And one is a tricky bitch

[storm jungle]

They are gods

[astral whale]

Papa Smurf is pretty much an eldar god.

[storm jungle]

No

lol

[dusk patrol]

God is a pointless term

[rose gyro]

they could be weapons or techs

[astral magnet]

also being a mutant does not mean you are a chaos worhsipper

[thorny turtle]

The reason he says this quote is because most "trees" are genetically made to regrow unless you cut the roots. This allows the imperium to have vast "tree farms" for wood resources and the like.

[rose gyro]

then the Eldar gave them personalities and worshipped them

[dusk patrol]

I’m aware some trees in the Imperium are

[astral magnet]

being a mutant is a more regular thing than the imperium gives on to accepting. As multiple organizations use mutants quite regularly.

[dusk patrol]

But it’s still a funny quote, also funny because most of the people he’s talking to have never seen a tree probably

[storm jungle]

Nope

they only accept mutants that are useful

and thats very specific individuals

you can simply get gutted for having different vibrant eye colors

They are basically all about "genetical purity"

[wary geode]

skill issue

[dusk patrol]

The main thing is stability

[naive orbit]

im 3 handed John, i can work better than most servitors, dont burn me pls

[wary geode]

just be born different

[dusk patrol]

Mutants who aren’t a stable strain

[astral magnet]

I think people over exagerate the depth and diversity of the imperium. If some underhiver is born with an extra arm they obviously hide it, but the overall extent of mutants within the imperium is vast.

[storm jungle]

Yeah more or less

[astral magnet]

Leading into the hunting of such people.

[storm jungle]

they just arent showcased as much

[naive orbit]

Its just the nature of Imperium as a state, xenophobic

[wary geode]

efficient triple lasgun user

[astral magnet]

In table top rpgs you can play as mutants and heretical tech users

[little cypress]

No burning, probably just gelding and being sent back to the mines or fab.

[storm jungle]

Oshit-

[wary geode]

lmfao

[astral magnet]

In fact one of the Inqustional carrers from dark heresey indeed is a sanctioned mutant

[wary geode]

ok riddle me this right

[dusk patrol]

Jus don’t play felinids you degenerates

[wary geode]

all this high tech but no speedloaders for revolvers?

[astral magnet]

we may see a character such as a heretek or scum come online for future dlcs

[storm jungle]

Basically any form of tech exists in 40k

its more just

finding it

or having it

[wary geode]

was kinda referring to darktide but I guess it might be added later

just found it funny

[dusk patrol]

None of the characters in the game are that heretical tbh