coming from a Vet
#40k-lore-chat
rancid tide
barren tapir
I think they are referring to things getting messy
Something something black rage something something they attacking allies something something they are ferocious melee fighters
rancid tide
Something something black rage something something they attacking allies somethi...
something blood chug jug juice
tbf our player characters are some of the most well informed foot soldiers I've seen in 40k
barren tapir
something blood chug jug juice
TBF they aren't that into blood drinking... There are other successors chapters that are more into that
rancid tide
talking about the Emprah
rancid tide
TBF they aren't that into blood drinking... There are other successors chapters ...
Lookin at you Chapter Master Gabriel 👀
barren tapir
tbf our player characters are some of the most well informed foot soldiers I've ...
Or maybe it is the average guarsman that know more than meme say
rancid tide
Or maybe it is the average guarsman that know more than meme say
probably
barren tapir
Regarding BA they are extremely well know in the wider imperium, and they are also know to be vicious fighters, a veteran would heard about them no doubt... For the emperor his enthronement is something that the church like to talk a lot, and how he haven't spoken directly, but his will is manifest as the will of the high lords and something similar to keep the mass under the yoke... So yeah, that is pretty much common knowledge for nearly anyone in the imperium
mossy mortar
Sanguinalia is a common imperial holiday
Sanguinius is a popular primarch saint in general
dapper bough
celest dome
What are the name of the Magpies again ?
barren tapir
What are the name of the Magpies again ?
I find hilarious that you remember them as magpies and not as blood ravens
jolly flax
What are the name of the Magpies again ?
Newcastle United
celest dome
I find hilarious that you remember them as magpies and not as blood ravens
To be honest, I remember them as Bloody Magpies to make it worse
But there isn't another chapter named like that
While fore Blood and Raven there are multiple
tired tapir
so about the 40K movie, think Saving Private Ryan or that 1917 movie
a movie where its a singe shot and its a trench war from the Death Kreig side
just like 1917
celest dome
Cadian would be better narratively than the Blank slate Krieg
tired tapir
mmmh!
ya!
but
a film with the kreig, barely any voice acting. all suspense and action
severe trout
maybe the krieger can just grunt and the rest of the team responds like normal
sudden dove
with us player characters having defeated plenty of daemonhosts by now..... where would we rank powerwise within the human race?
mossy mortar
you didn't defeat them i thik they jsut got annoyed and left
sudden dove
we atleast stop them from killing one of ours 
last time i asked was before the addition of daemonhosts, and someone said we rank somewhere adeptus astartes given our encounters with beasts of nurgle and plague ogryns
strong but not quite space marine
cerulean jetty
Probably somewhere along the lines of the kasarkin but even they struggled to slay a deamonhost.
celest dome
We could kill a SM, but not as reliably as SM
So Stormtroopers
Elite
Like not the normal Scions but the higher graded ones
full bane
Inquisitorial Acolytes basically
celest dome
A bit lower maybe
full bane
Stick a high ranking Stormtrooper Sergeant, a Battle Psyker, an experienced Missionary, and an Ogryn Bone 'Ead into one unit.
celest dome
Like as they say in DT we are just part of the Warband
full bane
Yeah, we're acolytes in the Warband.
At least at 30
Although... I wonder what place characters like Morrow, Melk, Mazosi, and their like have in Grendyl's warband.
mossy mortar
last time i asked was before the addition of daemonhosts, and someone said we ra...
heh i said that
full bane
Are they Retinue members, or just Acolytes on a command team with Rannick and Zola as the only actual high ranking retinue.
mossy mortar
Although... I wonder what place characters like Morrow, Melk, Mazosi, and their ...
management
full bane
I mean yeah they're command staff, but how involved are they with the Inquisition proper and with Grendyl.
mossy mortar
Masozi is clearly a private pilot
celest dome
All of them are Acolyte of Grendyl
mossy mortar
Morrow is a fmr sgt mgr so I assume he is senior NCO and in charge of the stormtroopers
full bane
Yeah, at least so far the indications seem to be that Rannick is running the Mourningstar Operation though.
As an Interrogator I'd assume he's met with Grendyl and is a retinue member, with Zola under him as Explicator.
But the heirachy with the other command staff is less clear.
mossy mortar
I do'nt think there's a difference between acolyte and retinue beyond the fact that a retinue personally accompanies the inquisitor
Since the inquisitor isn't present they're not part of his retinue rn
normal stream
Yeah, they're not really differentiated.
mossy mortar
Unless he is there i suppose which is uncknown
normal stream
Everyone's just part of the warband, unless they're seconded.
e.g. chambers militants, guard regiments
dusk patrol
I imagine they have a similar "rank" but just direct different aspects
mossy mortar
I think a retinue is specifically the guys who follow around the inquisitor
They made up the term acolyte to cover people who work for the inquisitor even when they are not present
dusk patrol
Retinue just means the people who make up their organization
Sometimes its just the squad
normal stream
Acolyte was just the term given to the in-game individual models that are part of the Inquisitorial Henchmen/Inquisitorial Warband squad.
dusk patrol
Other times its a massive galactic spanning organization.
mossy mortar
The term retinue specifically means people who accompany an important person
Retinue was used in the tabletop game for a while
full bane
Yeah, but generally the ones who accompany the Inquisitor are senior/proven Acolytes.
rancid tide
full bane
Like a command squad.
mossy mortar
Acolyte came in the RPG because the inquisitor isn't a player character in many games
normal stream
Yeah, I wouldn't put too much thought into retinue vs warband
full bane
With exceptions of course.
mossy mortar
But you also sitll work for them
normal stream
Every inquisitor operates so differently
celest dome
Weren't they for that Inquisitor TT game ?
dusk patrol
Every inquisitor operates so differently
^
normal stream
There's hardly a "standard" inquisitorial formation
dusk patrol
You can have one if you want
full bane
I recall Amberly Vail having a food truck operator as part of her retinue for a while.
mossy mortar
Warband is also a nonspecific term chosen becasue it implies it's not a formal miilitary unit
normal stream
yep
mossy mortar
Some inquisitors straight up do have formal military units attached to them
dusk patrol
And it grows to a massive sector wide organization.
And on the most extreme end of the spectrum:
normal stream
Like no one's gonna say that the ultramarines and battlefleet tesmpestus was part of inquisitor krytman's warband
full bane
Yeah, distinction aside it still leaves me wondering about the heirachy of the non-Interrogator/Explicator members of the command staff, the authority they wield, and their closeness to the Inquisitor.
dusk patrol
You have ones who are basically just like, champions of the Imperium.
Malleus tend to be the ones who have proper massive battlegroups and the like attached.
But once again
It varies
dusk patrol
Yeah, distinction aside it still leaves me wondering about the heirachy of the n...
It probably just depends
full bane
The structure varies, though in this case we have an idea of it.
dusk patrol
Morrow has as much authority as he's given
I imagine they just delegate
Hadron obviously is in charge of the tech stuff and forge
Gear and all that
Morrow and Zola seem to kinda have a somewhat similar role although I imagine Morrow coordinates the campaigns more.
Zola seems to be here for her knowledge of the Hive.
dusk patrol
But there's always crossover.
mossy mortar
Weren't they for that Inquisitor TT game ?
Before that game there was also Codex: Witchhunters
full bane
Rannick being the local operational head and Zola under him makes sense and fits with their respective titles, but past that it's murky and they all seem to be equal (outside of Masozi who operates under the command staff and Brahms who owns the place they're on).
dusk patrol
Zola is but that doesn't mean she currently has more authority or is give more control.
normal stream
yeah
full bane
Do any of them have lines about Grendyl other than telling us to shut it?
dusk patrol
The only person with obvious seniority is Rannick
full bane
Don't think I've heard any.
normal stream
Interestingly enough I think Masozi is also only the pilot that's attached to "us" (as the "hero squad") - there HAS to be more than just 1 Valkyrie pilot.
mossy mortar
Morrow is senior NCO and probably keeps that similar position vs. officers like Rannick and Zola
dusk patrol
The others it seems to be more of a similar or close rank deal depending on the scenario.
mossy mortar
Senior NCOs are in an interesting position in the military anyway
dusk patrol
The ship isn't really setup like a proper military vessel so who the hell knows how it gets delegated.
mossy mortar
Where tecnically junior officers are above you in command heirarchy but they'd be real dumb to ignore your advice
normal stream
Also interesting to know, is if the tech priest is part of Brahms' crew or part of Grendyl's crew.
full bane
Senior NCOs are in an interesting position in the military anyway
They also tend to be nuts.
dusk patrol
Also interesting to know, is if the tech priest is part of Brahms' crew or part ...
I imagine the distinction is moot tbh
With how kitted out the ship is with Inquisition stuff.
normal stream
Not that Brahms and Grendyl couldn't go their separate ways.
dusk patrol
If Brahm's is a Rogue Trader she's definitely full send for the Inquisition
Especially based off her little trailer monologue.
normal stream
Tobias Maxilla was planning to part ways with Eisenhorn at one point IIRC, and he lamented about how all the Inquisitorial cool stuff would have to be removed
dusk patrol
Tobias isn't like Brahms though
mossy mortar
Hadron is probably not in chain of command, but if she tells you to hit a button you really should do it
normal stream
We don't know Grendyl-Brahms relationship
full bane
For all we know Grendyl might operate independent acolyte cells for his Warband and the entire command staff might just be handled by Rannick without much interaction with Grendyl.
dusk patrol
Tobias was not quite as committed and he didn't operate quite the same as we've seen the Mourningstar operate.
normal stream
Hadron is probably not in chain of command, but if she tells you to hit a button...
I think I would regardless of seniority of tech priest 😆
Yeah, for all we know we could just be one warbandd under Grendyl that's delegated to Rannick.
dusk patrol
Like Tobias did his own thing on the side, the Mourningstar as we've seen it is very much a committed vessel to the whole war effort.
normal stream
He could be a Lord Inquisitor with multiple Interrogators running different ops
In one of the short stories (iirc the psyker one) he had another Interrogator that died
storm jungle
Inquisition cells can almost be incredibly vast
ruby sparrow
So witchfinder. From what ive found so far.
normal stream
You might not even know you're part of an inquisitor's cell 
ruby sparrow
The phrase "death to the false emperor" comes up a lot.
Theyve got relatively good eating in the underhive. Fuckers have rats and sewer crabs
dusk patrol
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
ruby sparrow
Just environmental details ive seen
storm jungle
Chainsword man is uh, adamant on translating the Dark Tongue runes on the enemies
ruby sparrow
And environment
normal stream
Chainsword man is uh, adamant on translating the Dark Tongue runes on the enemie...
.. oh, still?
ruby sparrow
Theres runes for plaguebearer popping up
storm jungle
.. oh, still?
Yeah..
ruby sparrow
Yeah its a bit of a hobby
normal stream
I thought he went and created a new server for that
dusk patrol
So like, just so you're aware, and I'm sure someones said this.
I guaranteed FS put less thought into it than you are
dusk patrol
I would bet almost all of them mean nothing or aren't intended to mean anything beyond "oh look chaos symbol"
storm jungle
No like its super neat that they are using Dark Tongue
normal stream
Might be some cool easter eggs, but, that's more likely an artist's easter egg rather than a hint at plot development
dusk patrol
Painted by corrupted and fucking insane people
storm jungle
aka me on mondays
normal stream
Like I won't be surprised if an artist put his pet's name or wrote his own name in chaos runes for memz
but I don't think there's much of a point reading into it past that
ruby sparrow
I mean the term death to the false emperor is translateable
If theres an easter egg in them runes all the better
I dont care if its important lore or a silly joke
normal stream
maybe we need a new channel for this?
ruby sparrow
I mean id use theorycrafting but
normal stream
"The place to craft theory and discuss what might be happening on Atoma Prime and within Tertium Hive."
seems like the right spot
actually
ruby sparrow
Its just that its overrun by people using it as general 2
rose thorn
Same, I want the funny cards full of magic liquid to tell me to do something
stuck kindle
They need to make john darktide an actual character in the game
celest dome
Why tho
stuck kindle
Why tho
Why not. John Darktide will be the guy who brought and is masterminding this nurgle heresy
stuck kindle
It needs to happen. Let it happen
It could be jimmy darktide, jane darktide, etc etc
mossy mortar
I saw a sewercrab the other day. Horrible creatures
mossy mortar
We don't know Grendyl-Brahms relationship
Brahms is Grendyl's mom
The Emperor's Tarot is one of the officially ok forms of divination
A "real" set of emperor's tarot are made of psychoactive liquid crystals. A psyker touches the cards and they turn into different images
Though there are also regular card games that are now called tarot, likely a joking reference to the real Emperor's Terot
crisp heath
Why does the Zealot call Veterans "templars"?
ripe ravine
this is just an educated guess but the ecclesiarchy tends to see the imperial guard as divine warriors of the god emperor
not as special as sisters or space marines but important enough to merit the honorific
barren tapir
Why does the Zealot call Veterans "templars"?
Tamplar is used to indicate a warrior which duty is to defend a temple, so veterans being soldiers of the imperial guard are warriors tasked with defending the imperium, which is seen as the temple of the emperor
crisp heath
That's cute
I like that a lot
If Veterans are "templars" what would be a theoretical title for Space Marines or people higher on the rung? lol
ripe ravine
space marines are commonly referred to as angels of death or just angels
crisp heath
Love that
ripe ravine
there's a lot of angel allegory beyond just the chapters literally named after them. if the emperor is god and the primarchs are his arch angels, the space marines are the hosts of heaven
barren tapir
His angels is how many religious people call SM
crisp heath
That's really cute
Aren't space marines Psykers tho?
Its kinda funny how Psykers are seen even though they're literally important to the entire infrastructure of the Imperium 💀
ripe ravine
no only a few. the one exception being the grey knights, which is a super special chapter of all psykers
full bane
Aren't space marines Psykers tho?
Space Marine Librarians are, it's a specific role for psychically active Astartes.
hollow estuary
Gray knights are all psykers too
full bane
Without mutants and psykers, the Imperium would not exist yeah.
Not even counting the fact that both the Emperor and Malcador, the founding fathers of the regime, were immensely powerful Psykers.
Interstellar Navigation is reliant on psychically active mutants, Interstellar Communications need Psykers to function.
hollow estuary
hehe what you said
crisp heath
The Imperium's religion is just so full of inconsistencies
Its so wild
Where did the hate for psykers even come about?
barren tapir
So, like every religion
crisp heath
So, like every religion
Yeah!
barren tapir
Where did the hate for psykers even come about?
By being mutants
crisp heath
That's what makes it fun to dissect and analyze
ripe ravine
despite this, psykers fundamentally draw on the unstable warp and there are all sorts of dangers and superstitions associated with messing with those kinds of creepy otherly forces. there's also a real fear of the bad kind of mutations so while stable strains (navigators) are accepted they are super intolerant in general
crisp heath
Psykers are technically mutants?
barren tapir
Psykers are technically mutants?
Yes
ripe ravine
the imperium is riddled with tragic ironies
crisp heath
Even though Abhumans are just humans who adapted to different conditions, they're still seen as abominations 💀
barren tapir
Well, more or less, technically speaking they are all humans, but they diverge from what is seen as the pure form of mankind
crisp heath
Abhumans aren't genetically isolated, are they?
barren tapir
They are
celest dome
Where did the hate for psykers even come about?
Well they are mutants, and using Psyker power can attract Daemon
Which isn't joyous
barren tapir
They cannot reproduce with baseline humans
crisp heath
Ahhh
celest dome
Some of them
full bane
Where did the hate for psykers even come about?
A somewhat justified fear of uncontrolled psychic activity causing destruction, a regime that believes they can't be allowed full rights due to them channeling the powers of hell itself, and ten thousand years of malicious ignorance, fear mongering, xenophobia and witch burning.
celest dome
Psyker can be born from normal human and such
ripe ravine
Even though Abhumans are just humans who adapted to different conditions, they'r...
remember the ratling code: "I am abhorred, I am unclean, through service I am forgiven"
crisp heath
Whenever I hear Ratling I immediately think to the Ratling Gunner
They're two completely different things 😭
ripe ravine
yeah that's an odd crossover. 40k ratlings are basically space hobbits
stealthy, excellent snipers, known to have loose fingers
barren tapir
And good cooks
celest dome
Good Scouts
ripe ravine
there are real concerns about untrained psykers and the potential damage they can cause, but also it boils down to this being the grim dark ages and them having witch powers
so of course the church hates them
crisp heath
Yet they're still super important to everyday life in the Imperium of Man
That's funny
ripe ravine
that comes up often when dealing with navigators. everyone is grossed out by them, but you have to pay the noble houses respect. they are essential to space travel for the imperium
barren tapir
TBF, the church hate everyone and everything it cannot command or use
ripe ravine
so resident navigators are basically guests of honor for their very short lived careers
full bane
It also hates most things it commands and uses.
crisp heath
so resident navigators are basically guests of honor for their very short lived ...
Navigators don't live long?
ripe ravine
it varies depending on the strength of the navigator, but not generally
most are blinded by their exposure to the astronomicon (very rarely they maintain some sight)
some are fairly infirm from the get go
can't handle the strain as well
also navigating the warp is dangerous as fuck. if there's a problem with the geller fields, if you hit turbulence or emperor forbid a warp storm, if the ship's commander demands an emergency jump
arctic talon
^
ripe ravine
there's a non zero chance of your brain popping
ripe ravine
or turning into something...else
arctic talon
They also live a pretty horrible life
Every warp jump brings the chance of horrific death
wind canyon
Especially if you're a navigator on a Chaos aligned ship
arctic talon
Yeah
ripe ravine
constant lovecraftian sanity checks
arctic talon
The navigator in the trailer
Had a small seizure
Due to the nature of the warp jump lol
ripe ravine
so a navigator with a very solid career that doesn't go pop will still eventually just die young
arctic talon
Technically no
They’ll just develop mutations
To the point where they have to retire
ripe ravine
if you see an old navigator, you know this person is crazy strong
arctic talon
Ye
ripe ravine
still in service
ripe ravine
yeah don't do that
crisp heath
look into the third eye
ripe ravine
they keep it covered
arctic talon
You’ll literally go insane
Also the best part is
There’s grenades made with the eye of a dead navigator
And they’re just mass seizure bombs
celest dome
Vortex grenades ?
dusk patrol
Worse than going insane, you’ll die a horrific death
celest dome
Aren't Vortex grenade made with Psyker stuff
arctic talon
And it gets spun around everywhere
Anyone who looks at it is gona die of a horrific seizure
ripe ravine
speaking of navigators, Rites of Passage is a very overlooked solid 40k book
it's about a navigator house and it was written by the same guy who wrote Brutal Kunnin
dusk patrol
No
arctic talon
No if you look into a navigators eye you see somthing you aren’t meant to see
dusk patrol
Astronomicon isn’t inherently dangerous
arctic talon
And your brain reacts accordingly
celest dome
Oh, I understood incorrectly
dusk patrol
It’s like staring into the pure warp I think it’s described as
celest dome
Rite of Passage is the name of the book
celest dome
Or something
ripe ravine
yeah Rites of Passage is a novel
arctic talon
Seizure is mandatory kekw
ripe ravine
about navigators
celest dome
Who has the frost power again ? Like Void Frost or something
dusk patrol
Space Wolves tend to manifest it
celest dome
Yes, but it's more prevalent to some iirc
dusk patrol
Creates ice storms so violent it rips Land Raiders apart
arctic talon
Also my favorite navigator is prolly the one in the BSF book
kind parrot
Also my favorite navigator is prolly the one in the BSF book
BSF?
arctic talon
He’s got some pretty heavy mutations hidden under his robe
kind parrot
Yes, but it's more prevalent to some iirc
IIRC?
kind parrot
actually we are biased to some books we like/love
normal stream
Throwback to when white scars and space wolves at the council of nikea said that "our psychic magic is different because it's from nature, boohoo magnus yours is evil"
😆
kind parrot
Some people hate Battle for the Abyss, but man it's a good book 😄
normal stream
big trolls
kind parrot
that was unclear to me why Space Wolf betrayed them tbh
ripe ravine
Throwback to when white scars and space wolves at the council of nikea said that...
how dare you attack fenrisian traditions
they are completely different obvs
noble hinge
normal stream
that was unclear to me why Space Wolf betrayed them tbh
IMO it was clear the emperor needed a scapegoat - they just chose to use that as an opportunity to be like "tsons bad, we good"
celest dome
Throwback to when white scars and space wolves at the council of nikea said that...
SW and WS used Psyker power by folowing traditions
TS were going further and further in them
dusk patrol
It’s more the Tsons were idiots
normal stream
SW and WS used Psyker power by folowing traditions
TS were going further and fur...
"by following traditions"
celest dome
Yes
dusk patrol
They were literally hanging out with dameons as familiars
normal stream
How is a tradition different from a ritual?
normal stream
Okay, yeah, the tutelaries were a terrible idea.
dusk patrol
No all of it was
There’s a reason they fell apart as soon an Tzeentch kicked the training wheels out from under them
ripe ravine
how dare you say magnus did something wrong
dusk patrol
The point of the Council of Nikea is Magnus made an argument for the other side
Sanguinius tried but Magnus went in and showed everyone how reckless and arrogant he was
kind parrot
how *dare* you say magnus did something wrong
Sold his legion to Tzeentch ehm saved them, but ehm he just prolonged their suffering
dusk patrol
Magnus made the oppositions argument for them
Magnus didn’t just do a lot of stuff wrong
He basically did nothing right
kind parrot
The pushing point for Horus to join the dark side was magnus if you ask me
dusk patrol
He’s like someone going into bullet time to ensure their shots all miss their intended targets and only hit friendlies
normal stream
But it's also a travesty for the Space Wolves to declare that "because we use nature traditions we're safer".
dusk patrol
Sure but there was a huge difference between what the Scars, Wolves and Angels were doing
ripe ravine
well the problem with the space wolves is they're convinced the spirit of fenris isn't the warp (it is)
celest dome
But it's also a travesty for the Space Wolves to declare that "because we use na...
I mean, they were using stuff that they knew was mostly safe, TS were trying new stuff
full bane
How is a tradition different from a ritual?
The Wolves and Scars approached it from a quasi-religious angle, with respect and limits. The Sons approached it like ravenous academics diving into an unknown field.
celest dome
Shamanism
dusk patrol
the TS were just slapdash bumbling around in the warp thinking they understood it all
normal stream
The Wolves and Scars approached it from a quasi-religious angle, with respect an...
I know which one scares me more.
Religious voodoo vs. grounded science?
celest dome
I mean in world I'm more afraid about the guy that is dealing with unsafe practices rather than using safe stuff
TS weren't grounded science
normal stream
The Emperor was all about the Imperial Truth, don't forget. Religion was banned.
celest dome
TS were experimental Mad scientist stuff
normal stream
And quasi-religious stuff was okay?
full bane
Religious voodoo vs. grounded science?
An academic approach might have been fine, if you weren't dealing with the forces of hell and actual demons.
ripe ravine
And quasi-religious stuff was okay?
ask lorgar about that
normal stream
ask lorgar about that
exactly.
It's strange how daddy E turned a blind eye to that
full bane
Going further and further, trying to understand and categorise something that defies understanding.
normal stream
An academic approach might have been fine, if you weren't dealing with the force...
Except that they didn't realize that, only big E did, and he chose to keep that fact from them 😛
full bane
It's a slippery slope, one the Sons paid dearly for.
Because they thought they could understand the warp, that they could apply principles of truth and knowledge to it.
normal stream
So religion is okay, as long as you're not worshipping something
ripe ravine
he also turned a blind eye to the mechanicum
normal stream
interesting perspective on it (I genuinely never thought of that before)
Okay, but the Mechanicum he kinda needed
celest dome
he also turned a blind eye to the mechanicum
Because he needed them
ashen shoal
Also given the inherent insanely corrupting nature of the warp and how devastating even a single corrupt individual can be, it's probably safer that people are completely ignorant of it rather than have it be public knowledge and having every psyker become a ticking time bomb
ripe ravine
right I'm just saying he didn't completely ban all religion
ruby sparrow
The mechanicum is allowed to operate because theyre the only ones who know how to fix the inquisitors gaming pc
celest dome
So religion is okay, as long as you're not worshipping something
Shamanism is more about respecting the force of nature, not worshipping it, that's how to treat the Warp
ripe ravine
I think the lorgar situation was more about worshipping him, not that he was a fan of religion in general
normal stream
Yeah this is a fairly interesting thought pattern
ruby sparrow
Yeh
dusk patrol
They were just using traditions to ground their training
normal stream
Arguably in the 41st mil that swung way the other way and even that isn't allowed anymore for the average citizen
dusk patrol
And control their powers
ripe ravine
lorgar got pretty blatant. he was made an example of
normal stream
"shamanism? heretic"
full bane
So religion is okay, as long as you're not worshipping something
For Big E, the shamanistic ways of the Scars and Wolves is.
Think of it like the Mechanicum. These are religious practices yeah, mumbo jumbo. But they've also enshrined and preserved knowledge and responsible use into tradition and scripture.
ruby sparrow
But the techpriests are basically allowed to do their own religion because the imperium is kinda fucked without them
dusk patrol
Also the Omnissiah thing wasn’t a cult back then
normal stream
For Big E, the shamanistic ways of the Scars and Wolves is.
Think of it like th...
Mechanicum actually still openly worshipped the Omnissiah though.
dusk patrol
As much as it is now
It was a belief but it wasn’t the same
The Mechanicum was different from the Ad Mech
normal stream
I mean they bent the knee to big E when he landed on Mars because they thought he was the Omnissiah.
ruby sparrow
Either way they can just say omnissiah is emperor. Ooor. ... ad mech is also necessary
ashen shoal
Well, at this point Mars and the Imperium are basically completely symbiotic to each other. Mars needs the Imperium's insane manpower and gigantic army and navy, the Imperium needs Mars' expertise and technical ability
celest dome
Mechanicum was more of a philosophy
normal stream
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cult_Mechanicus
"When the Emperor first arrived on Mars many saw him as the Omnissiah, or the physical manifestation of the Machine God. As per the terms of the Treaty of Olympus that saw Terra and Mars unify, the Mechanicum was was still allowed to practice its faith despite the Emperor's own secular Imperial Truth.[6] The Cult Mechanicus continues to exist to this day, distinct but related to the Imperial Cult. "
full bane
Mechanicum actually still openly worshipped the Omnissiah though.
Yeah but their ways were grudgingly accepted because those ways preserved safety protocols, technical knowledge, and many other essential knowledge lost to the Age of Strife.
normal stream
Yeah but their ways were grudgingly accepted because those ways preserved safety...
I didn't argue against that.
normal stream
For Big E, the shamanistic ways of the Scars and Wolves is.
Think of it like th...
But you can't use the Mechanicum as an analogy as per here
ruby sparrow
Mars needs imperium to use gun and make food. Imperium needs mars to make gun and help distribute food
normal stream
Fairly different circumstances. Mechanicum still had active worship of the Omnissiah as the Emperor.
ripe ravine
right, my point isn't that the emperor didn't care about the mechanicum's religion. my point is that the emperor was an extremely pragmatic guy, and as long as traditions like the ones on fenris aren't really bothering anybody or spreading he's not going to micromanage the imperial truth
full bane
And the Fenrisians still believed in their world spirit.
ruby sparrow
Yeah the emperor is just fine as long as the worship doesnt create le funny chaos god
ripe ravine
broadly speaking he was successful in wiping out organized religion pre-heresy
which was his goal
ruby sparrow
Or start wars or fighting
full bane
It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of tolerating what would be against the Imperial Truth because it is useful.
dusk patrol
We see in the Heresy and Siege books that the Cult of the Omnissiah because more of a thing
It wasn’t like it is now then
normal stream
yes
dusk patrol
It was still an exception
ruby sparrow
"Look we couuuld call the techpriests heretics, but then who would fix our shit and make our guns"
dusk patrol
But it wasn’t quite as like, religious
It was more philosophical I guess
Which can be the same thing
But yeah
ruby sparrow
"Look theyre not worshipping a god which cant be seen as the emperor and they help us actually be something vaguely resembling a functioning society
mossy mortar
The emperor's end goal was for all humanity to become as gods
ruby sparrow
Also god. Imagine being forced to be a fuckin doorknob or printer because everyones too scared of fucking computers to use normal printers or buttons.
Servo skull moment
mossy mortar
The Wolves and Scars approached it from a quasi-religious angle, with respect an...
More specifically, the Sons were consorting with actual warp entities
like non-human intelligences
ruby sparrow
If we do get a techpriest class i want to be able to yeet a servoskull like a fucking baseball
mossy mortar
Wolves seemed to commune with some sort of Fenrisian world spirit instead
like Eldar with maiden worlds
normal stream
Wolves seemed to commune with some sort of Fenrisian world spirit instead
Sounds heretical
ruby sparrow
Wolves are drunk and high of their asses too
ripe ravine
tbh this is how you can tell the heresy history was written by the seat of their pants. the emperor makes a big deal out of lorgar's worship and not once does he say but dad what about the cultists on mars
dusk patrol
There is a spirit of Fenris
mossy mortar
Horus Heresy is a silly book series
dusk patrol
It is a thing
mossy mortar
that only really makes sense if it you consider it an in-universe book
ruby sparrow
I want to yeet a servo skull
normal stream
There is a spirit of Fenris
Still heresy!
You're either worshipping a xenos or a daemon.
mossy mortar
The biggest issue is when th eless good BL authors keep accidentally putting anachronisms in because they just wrote a 40k book and then changed some of the words
full bane
More specifically, the Sons were consorting with actual warp entities
Well yeah, but I personally chalk that up to their academic approach.
The Wolves and Scars both learned that the voices in the warp were dangerous and to draw from what were essentially safe zones/sources.
The Sons went in and said "hey, there's intelligent life in here. Let's study them and make friends".
dusk patrol
Space Wolves have a lot of weird warp interactions
Like they’re much more naturally chaos resistant
bitter steppe
I thought of something. Why did the silent king freak the fuck out when he saw the Tyrinids coming when all his subjects are non-organic?
kind parrot
Can nids be corrupted by chaos?
dusk patrol
No
kind parrot
So why not bate them into the eye of terror ? Fight fire with Fire?
bitter steppe
But what if they fuse somehow? That'd be terrible
arctic talon
So why not bate them into the eye of terror ? Fight fire with Fire?
They don't wana
full bane
So why not bate them into the eye of terror ? Fight fire with Fire?
They tried to shove them into a stalemate with Orks. It ended with a hive fleet that had adapted and evolved even more than normal, and a angry Ork waaagh.
dusk patrol
They don’t attack Necron worlds typically for example
It’s not dumb with who it attacks
arctic talon
There’s so much food in the galaxy
They’re picky eaters now sometimes
I.E only chomping away on processed adamantium, in a space battle before moving on
dusk patrol
The Octarius thing worked because Orks are a source of food
There are some Nids who are working on anti daemon counter measures though
And specialize in fighting them though
kind parrot
are the needs running from something or just preserving it's self by attacking weak targets?
dusk patrol
Different Fleets work differently
dusk patrol
are the needs running from something or just preserving it's self by attacking w...
Unknown
And likely will never be known
full bane
I don't think people want to see what happens if you contain them in a Warp Rift.
Also just because Tyranids as individuals and as a hive organism have thus far been immune or unaffected by Chaos doesn't mean that shoving them into the biggest warp rift isn't going to corrupt them in some way or lead to them developing new adaptations which make life worse for everyone.
dusk patrol
The thing is that it doesn’t really matter because it’s just worthless organisms.
The point is the Nids themselves can’t be corrupted really
It’s how a lot of factions work because GW isn’t gonna make Chaos Nids or Chaos Ork models
arctic talon
Chaos eldar are cool
normal stream
There were Chaos nids at some point, in one of the books
Early lore, probably retconned though
It did make a partial appearance in Storm of Iron, where the IW dragged a bioship back to the EoT to corrupt and turn into a titan carrier
arctic talon
There were Chaos nids at some point, in one of the books
Chaos corrupted nids but not serving chaos
Like mutations and such
normal stream
Yep
But it makes you wonder to what extent a nid could be corrupted by chaos before it inevitably starts serving chaos
dusk patrol
They can be affected by chaos and like fucked up by it
But they can’t actually be like, converted
Due to the Hivemind
normal stream
Makes me wonder about all the "what ifs"
Can you substitute a daemonic entity as a hivemind if you completely isolate a hive fleet?
crisp heath
What about feral nids separated from their synapses
Like could a sorcerer or demon theoretically dominate their mind and use them?
arctic talon
prolly
rustic spruce
i find it funny the language the mechanicus uses to speak with each other sounds like a dying sound system
floral hazel
will serve be down all day?
near glade
Read some 40k books for hype before you play
astral whale
What is homeboy wearing?
dusk patrol
Harlequin drip
He’s basically the Eldar Inquisitor expert
He’s visited the Black Library
arctic talon
Do people in the Imperium of Man wash their hands?
Yes
crisp heath
😱
fluid python
Do hive cities have plumbing and access to water?
heavy talon
So, in the Dark Imperium, what are the chances of a new human faction arising once reliable contact is established, due to the Imperium having no sway there? Or do you think it's just gonna be a wasteland?
ruby sparrow
Imperium 2 electric boogaloo
astral whale
Do hive cities have plumbing and access to water?
Access to water, yes. Access to CLEAN water is a perhaps question.
Depends on the hive in question and the level.
ruby sparrow
Access to water, yes. Access to *CLEAN* water is a perhaps question.
Clean water aside. Ive seen rats and sewer crabs being prepared as meals down in the missions
astral whale
Clean water aside. Ive seen rats and sewer crabs being prepared as meals down in...
This must be one good hive city if rats are still alive in it lol
barren tapir
So, in the Dark Imperium, what are the chances of a new human faction arising on...
We know that chaos is carving out little empires, it would be nice to get a new human faction, but is gonna be hardly a possibility, especially since all the imperial organization there are trying to hold as much ground they can
ruby sparrow
In one of the missions in a data interrogator section there are little spots with deskfans and rats strung up and butchered in some spots
heavy talon
A bunch of Imperial worlds totally cut off. If it goes on long enough, there could be major cultural divergence. Especially if the Votann get involved, since we know they like to wheel and deal with their tech.
ruby sparrow
Local inquisitors just get fuckin murdered
full bane
So, in the Dark Imperium, what are the chances of a new human faction arising on...
Small non-Imperial human powers, be they secessionist or undiscovered worlds aren't all that uncommon, it's just that they rarely last long enough to provide meaningful opposition to the Imperium or are major enough to provide a counter-PoV to them.
normal stream
So, in the Dark Imperium, what are the chances of a new human faction arising on...
uh, Leagues of Votann count?
🙃
full bane
Most of the independent human factions in 40k are ultimately Imperial in nature even if they're secessionist or lost worlds tbh. 10,000 years of propoganda, worship, and tyranny aren't something that gets thrown out easily. Unless it's replaced by something else, whether that be Chaos, The Greater Good, or GORKAMORKA
stuck kindle
Hive cities smell like doo doo
full bane
COME DIGGANOBZ! WE RIDE FOR MEKTOWN! (not shouting bot bypass)
barren tapir
Most of the independent human factions in 40k are ultimately Imperial in nature ...
Adrantis five disagree... And lots of other lost colonies forcibly brought into imperial compliance too
tawny garnet
Yo guys ive been thinking, the whole vibe of darktide is a Penal legion right ? So whats the classes that could be released in the future that make sense for the setting of darktide? If they even have it planned like vermintide that each class will have a sub spec wich i dont think so, will they rather release like New characters?
mossy mortar
I feel lik enew characters are unlikely until late in the game's life cycle because of how much money and time it owuld take to record a full set of voice lines
gleaming heron
The little imp snipers could be a good addition
sweet saffron
Want to say a mix of suicide squad and expendables
mossy mortar
I better be able to set my foot hair colors
gleaming heron
IDK if anyone has a clue but the techpriest that you find in-game, what rank/importance would she be in lore (magos, archmagos etc)? Is she a regular techpriest or maybe an important one?
normal stream
Yo guys ive been thinking, the whole vibe of darktide is a Penal legion right ? ...
Wouldn't say penal legion
More like convicts
celest dome
Yo guys ive been thinking, the whole vibe of darktide is a Penal legion right ? ...
Somewhat different, we get access to better stuff
tawny garnet
or that but regardless cant think of any class tbh
celest dome
As for what we would get:
normal stream
I could see a Cult Mechanicus zealot (vs full-blown tech priest)
full bane
I'm still hoping out hope for a Tech Menial/Adept
celest dome
Ogryn
Gunlugger: Ranged focused, maybe also axed on Suppression to distinguish with the Vet Sharp
Bulwark/Bodyguard: Support/Melee
celest dome
I could see a Cult Mechanicus zealot (vs full-blown tech priest)
Tech Menial is more flexible
tawny garnet
So that would mean for zealot for example we could get a crusader
Since they protect Inquisitors and such
tawny garnet
And since we are on a roguetraders ship with an Inquisitor we could even get Dark eldar/Eldar wich i dont believe but its an idea
tawny garnet
but what about the others
full bane
I could see Redemptionist and Death Cult for Zealot.
tawny garnet
i hope so
normal stream
I doubt we'll get any non-human stuff
celest dome
Vet could get some thing about Brawler and Officer/Commissar
full bane
One based around fire/burning status and the other being an assassin/mobility setup.
normal stream
Buff-based officer/NCO class could be one, yeah
celest dome
And Psyker getting stuff for each discipline
full bane
Maybe a non-Guardsman based Veteran might be possible.
celest dome
One based around fire/burning status and the other being an assassin/mobility se...
I think Mobility is already done by Preacher
Crusader for tanky/Control guy
tawny garnet
Yea i think out of them all, Crusader would make the most sense and feel a bit more Unique
Death cult would kind be just like the Normal zealot tbh
celest dome
It could be made something else than what we currently have
normal stream
And Psyker getting stuff for each discipline
Given how the psyker class is named (psykinetic), I'm inclined to agree with this
Crusader I agree would also make sense. Would mean that Ogryn isn't the only shield character.
celest dome
Given how the psyker class is named (psykinetic), I'm inclined to agree with thi...
Yup, just the ability/Blitz and talent themed
And the weapon being common
normal stream
They'd actually be able to keep common voice sets too
celest dome
As currently
full bane
I think Mobility is already done by Preacher
True, Death Cult would be easy to do though. A similar framework is already present in Kerillian's shade career.
(Watch all of Zealot's classes be ripped wholesale from Vermintide Careers)
celest dome
I think taking some part and giving them new twist would be great
Like I'm thinking Ogryn Bulwark for example would be somewhat similar to Ironbreaker
But have it set as follow:
Ogryn get 100 Health and 300 Toughness (Opposed of what we currently have)
Aura/Coherency: Give 50 additional Toughness
Active: Nork's Teaching: Pull Aggro and continuously regenerate toughness
full bane
Veteran seems to have the least obvious/easy choices for possible future classes. The Sharpshooter already covers quite a few different types of Guardsman with his talent tree.
celest dome
And get mechanic tailored toward loosing toughness and regenerating it
stuck kindle
Make skinny ogryns
normal stream
Veteran seems to have the least obvious/easy choices for possible future classes...
Could have one tailored for CC or melee?
celest dome
Brawler
The thing is what to give it as mechanic that wouldn't be too close to Zealot
full bane
Survivalist maybe?
Death World training/Catachan style
Where the Sharpshooter is more Cadian standard
With a satchel charge grenade and a smokescreen/stun ability?
proper python
Hot take, the Greenskins would be 100% funnier if the Krorks weren't canon. The immortal, eternal, hyper-intelligent, god-like C'tan having to contend with a pack of moron football hooligans who heckle during their monologues
c'tan: we exist beyond your limited capacity for comprehension. we consume suns as food. we have no beginning, no end, we just ARE.
tawny garnet
but would a catachan make sense ?
I mean they could get really creative with the game tbh
Question is if they will
celest dome
No
proper python
Question is if they will
I'm willing to be they will, Fatshark have been able to do some really cool stuff with existing lore
celest dome
as It would mean we get Catachan as exclusive birth planet
And you would be forced to pick it
But it could happen as cosmetic
sweet saffron
but would a catachan make sense ?
if Cadia makes sense then so should Catachan
tawny garnet
Yea but has i said the fact that we are serving a rogue trader really does mix up things alot, or for example if you payed attention during some Dialoge they start talkaing about a second Hive in the sector and sgt major marrow tells dont ask questions like that its not good, so even for Dlcs and shit like that they can make Genestealer cults orks w/e
tawny garnet
if Cadia makes sense then so should Catachan
Yea but my Point is how would you make the Catachan since its not just from looks; in my Opinion catachans are one if not the strongest Guardsmen there are and they would probably be for Veteran and what would the playstayle be ? Dual weapons like a Knife/Pistol at the same time
sweet saffron
Yea but has i said the fact that we are serving a rogue trader really does mix ...
in that case might as well have a Necron flayer DLC
mossy mortar
Hot take, the Greenskins would be 100% funnier if the Krorks weren't canon. The ...
the krork aren't canon
sweet saffron
Yea but my Point is how would you make the Catachan since its not just from look...
Idk, maybe have there melee and pushback be a little stronger?
mossy mortar
It's merely a theory
sweet saffron
the krork aren't canon
Read the infinate and the divine, Trayzin litterly has one
mossy mortar
Catachans should just get custom outfits modeled on the ogryn outfits
celest dome
if Cadia makes sense then so should Catachan
No, cause Cadian are everywhere
sweet saffron
fair point
celest dome
the krork aren't canon
Doesn't Tarzyn have one in his museum ?
celest dome
Yea but my Point is how would you make the Catachan since its not just from look...
The Vet class that would be the most appropriate for that is Brawler
solar canopy
No, cause Cadian are everywhere
on that note Krieg make the msot sense alongside cadian
tawny garnet
but wtf
would be different from a krieg and cadian gameplay wise
thats my Point
ik
celest dome
In the IG they are Guardsmen who fight mostly in melee and with great savagery
tawny garnet
Lore wise they are super different, but in a horde game like darktide how would you make them completely different from one another
solar canopy
would be different from a krieg and cadian gameplay wise
i meant in reply to birthplanet choices
celest dome
on that note Krieg make the msot sense alongside cadian
Not really, as they still would be stuck to Krieg as origin, Cosmetic would be the best choice
solar canopy
Not really, as they still would be stuck to Krieg as origin, Cosmetic would be t...
you can have both ... add Krieg background planet and also cosmetics
full bane
but would a catachan make sense ?
More in terms of gameplay than them being from Catachan. Doctrine used by regiments from a number of Frontier/Feral/Death Worlds.
solar canopy
i mean the whole birthplanet choice isnt really needed by that argument aswell
solar canopy
But Kriegsmen don't really talk much
which could be represented aswell ... just disable 90% of the banter for your character if you choose Krieg
solar canopy
or just add some affirmative or negatory grunting
like ... other characters say something and you just hear a muffled sigh
normal stream
Classes that are origin-locked would be pretty one-dimensional, if this were VT2 I'd agree, but not likely in DT
solar canopy
we are not talking classes
celest dome
I think in this case it was more Origin locked cosmetic
solar canopy
just the flavour choice of birthplanet having an impact on voicelines
celest dome
which would still not be great
normal stream
we are not talking classes
it was mentioned a few mins ago
solar canopy
new sub-classes are 100% gonna be dispatched from any origin lock
idk why i chose the word dispatched ... it feels wrong
but you know what i mean
celest dome
detached ?
solar canopy
tahts what i meant to say
celest dome
Yeah
rustic spruce
what are those little spider plates I see mechanicus ride around on sometimes
solar canopy
i probably also said detached in my head but just wrote dispatched because faster typing than thinking
celest dome
Be right back I know where to find the name
normal stream
what are those little spider plates I see mechanicus ride around on sometimes
Their legs.
Something like this right?
normal stream
Abeyants?
mossy mortar
We need more American voices
Catachans would of course have American/Austrian accents
storm jungle
would be different from a krieg and cadian gameplay wise
One has a tanktop
One has a gasmask
solar canopy
i definetly want an Austrian Catachan
storm jungle
thats where it kinda ends
normal stream
thats where it kinda ends
why not both
normal stream
i definetly want an Austrian Catachan
How about Australian Catachans? 🙃
mossy mortar
No austrian catachans means east catachan
solar canopy
Catachans would of course have American/Austrian accents
its what he asked for
mossy mortar
In catachans dialect
mossy mortar
The three catachan voice packs would be Sly, The Governator, and Sgt. Johnson
solar canopy
oh now i see your angle
rustic spruce
well i was playing inquisitor martyr and it looked like the tech adept was just standing on platform
normal stream
The three catachan voice packs would be Sly, The Governator, and Sgt. Johnson
what, not colonel kurtz?
solar canopy
i though oxballs just misspelled australian into austrian ... like so many do
normal stream
well i was playing inquisitor martyr and it looked like the tech adept was just ...
Oh, looks like it. Never seen that before in lore, odd.
seems inefficient vs just having arachnid legs
solar canopy
seems inefficient vs just having arachnid legs
This
if you truly believe in the omnisiah
mossy mortar
I think the Roane Deepers have Australian accents
solar canopy
why even bother standing on a platform if you can be the platform
mossy mortar
Fuel efficiency
normal stream
yeah, seems more like lazy game model design than anything else
broken zenith
Sly Marbo VA best
mossy mortar
Do you have any idea how much space gas hoverpanels burn
normal stream
Fuel efficiency
It's even more inefficient
normal stream
Do you have any idea how much space gas hoverpanels burn
Antigrav? None.
crisp heath
Does all of humanity originate from Terra, or are there other human species in the universe that weren't settled by Terran humans?
deep turtle
Does all of humanity originate from Terra, or are there other human species in t...
terra is the humans birthplace
celest dome
In theory all from Terra
mossy mortar
As far as we know
celest dome
I think one of the Eldar or Necron say it
But we might have been put there by the Old Ones
deep turtle
yeah in master of mankind its referred to as old earth a couple times
broken zenith
the good ol Men of Gold vs Men of Stone vs Men of Iron
deep turtle
the good ol Men of Gold vs Men of Stone vs Men of Iron
thats a very confusing time
solar canopy
theres a very good documentary type film of humanitys first encounter with the warp btw, called Event Horizon
mossy mortar
'ONCE, LONG AGO, Man lived on just one island. The broad oceans surrounded him and he believed himself alone. In time, Man's stature grew and he caught sight of other isles far off across the deep ocean. Since he had seen everything on his island, climbed every peak and looked under every stone, he became curious about the other islands and tried to reach them. He soon found the oceans too deep and cold for him to get far, not nearly a hundredth of the way to the next island. So Man returned and put his hand to other things for an age.
'But in time food and water and air ran short on Man's island and he looked to the far islands again. Because he could not bear the cold of the ocean deeps, he fashioned Men of Stone to go in his place, and the Stone Men fashioned Men of Steel to become their hands and eyes. And the Stone Men went forth with their servants and swam in the deep oceans. They found many strange things on the far islands, but none as strange or as wicked as the things that swam in the depths between them; ancient, hungry things older than Man himself.
But these beasts of the deep hungered for the true life of Man, not the half-life of Stone, so the Stone Men swam unmolested. At first all was well and the Men of Stone planted Man's Seed on many islands, and in time Man learned to travel the oceans himself, hiding in Stone ships to keep out the cold and the hunger of the beasts. All was well and Men spread to many islands far across the ocean, such that some even forgot how they came to be there and that they ever came from just one island at all.'
mossy mortar
It's an old Andy Chambers story
The guy telling it is a mysterious cyborg named Kron
broken zenith
Andy Chambers, absolute legend ❤️
celest dome
So 40k did have Generational Space ships
solar canopy
So 40k did have Generational Space ships
we dont know how humanity conquered the galaxy pre "appearance" of the emperor
mossy mortar
I think back before they decided if the necron were men of iron or what
solar canopy
basically humanitys history pre-30k is shrouded in mystery and fairytales
as for our perspective from how the imperium is now
mossy mortar
I mean even the Horus Heresy is supposed to be unimaginably long ago
Which is why I never liked the HH series
It makes the world seem smaller
celest dome
we dont know how humanity conquered the galaxy pre "appearance" of the emperor
At first all was well and the Men of Stone planted Man's Seed on many islands, and in time Man learned to travel the oceans himself, hiding in Stone ships to keep out the cold and the hunger of the beasts.
normal stream
I think back before they decided if the necron were men of iron or what
Possibly. That was around the time when Necrons first showed up as a single WD model
solar canopy
in a nutshell ... in "our reality" in the not too far future humanity will conquer the galaxy, then AI will do nasty shit, think Terminator / Matrix and humanity will shatter, which coincides with the opening of the Eye of Terror (Slaanesh's birth). then in the year 30k teh emperor will revela himself on Terra and first unite humanity in the Sol system (our Earths solar system) then go out on the Great Crusade to reunite humanity under the banner of the Imperium and then the Horus Heresy happens ... then 10 thousand years go by and now Rowboat Girlyman is back
normal stream
Ah, yes, Dark Imperium was also the book titans ate shit against dinosaurs
full bane
"And so it was that in the First Age of Man, the Golden Age, there is the Emperor Unseen and unheralded he prepares the Old Earth for the coming of Mankind and he watches and he waits. He is joined by the First Men of the Golden Race, fine of limb and strong of mind, yet still the Emperor is content to wait in shadow. To watch and learn from Mankind, the Golden Race spreads across the face of Old Earth, multiplying and establishing Order and Civilization on the anarchy of Nature. In time, the Second Men of the Stone Race appear, and in their wake come many miracles and marvels of technology that strengthen to Stone Men’s power, but are also harnessed by those of the Golden Race. Although physically inferior to the Golden Race, and not of philosophical temperament and disposition, the Stone Men have in them the conjurations of great artifices and mechanisms. In time, the Golden Race looks to the stars to expand their dominion. The Stone Race builds great machines of power that send both Men of Stone and Men of Gold into the Ether. However, once the burgeoning race of Mankind has taken its first steps into the greater cosmos, the Golden Race dwindles in influence through their dependence on the artifices of the Stone Race. This the Golden Age comes to an end and the Stone Men prevail."
mossy mortar
Obviously the necrons when they lost to humanity were so embarrassed that they brainwashed themselves, rubric of Ahriman style, to believe thst they were older than Humanity rather than live with the shameful knowledge that the hated and inferior humans were their creators
wild vortex
celest dome
Wasn't the Matrix based on a book
mossy mortar
no
It was inspired by a lot of stuff, i think Grant Morrison's The Invisibles was considered the biggest
which is a comic book
storm jungle
Wasn't the Matrix based on a book
Largely Ghost in the Shell, martial art films and other japanese animation
mostly Hong Kong Cinema too
broken zenith
William Gibson once tweeted about the similarities between the Matrix and Neuromancer.
Before I start getting questions re The Matrix’s similarities to Neuromancer, let me point out that Neuromancer borrows eagerly and eclectically from lots of previous works. As does The Matrix, of which I’m personally quite fond.
https://twitter.com/greatdismal/status/1164240403270270976?lang=en
mossy mortar
Like they made the cast read the invisibles on set
storm jungle
Dark City is also a big one
tho in the latter case that one flopped and went nowhere
broken zenith
Dark City was cool
storm jungle
It was a mess but had good intentions
mossy mortar
Dark City was definitely ahead of its time
and also its budget
Oh also another contemporary movie was existenz
solar canopy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB7Yh2af_Bk
that was a really nice listen, thank you
crisp heath
I wonder what the lore reason for this is
astral whale
Why is there a trademark?
crisp heath
I wonder what the lore reason is behind the trademark
Trademark laws exist in the 40k universe apparently 
mossy mortar
enforceable by death i presume
astral whale
Trademark laws exist in the 40k universe apparently <:think:815236025378013205>
The poor arbites that have to enforce that shit lol
mossy mortar
the origins of the locke pattern bolter lol
celest dome
Trademarked
astral whale
Imagine divorce in the Imperium.
That has to go through the Administratum, and possibly the Arbites. Possibly the Ecclesiarchy
Is there any lore to back this up?
crisp heath
I heard that the Imperium of Man are all cringepilled
Is there any lore to back this up?
astral whale
Nono, imagine a domestic dispute in a hive triggering an Arbites response. The entire block would be fuuucked.
crisp heath
Is marriage even a supported institution in the Imperium of Man?
Or is it only supported in the interest of population?
celest dome
The Arbites wouldn't take care of that
Enforcer would be the guy to call
Or Gangers if you live in Gang territory
mossy mortar
I think that some hives are so lawless that authority is turned over to the arbites directly becasue local police are so uselses
astral whale
I think that some hives are so lawless that authority is turned over to the arbi...
Well, no. Only the underhive.
Hive cities still have quotas that need to be met.
celest dome
Possibly
But I don't remember of those
There is a sector/domain controled by the Arbites too
Anyway, of to the Warp I go, tired and all that
Bye Bye
barren tapir
Bye, get a good rest
broken zenith
Precinct Fortress best fortress ❤️
crisp heath
Would Big E enjoy Pepsi?
astral pecan
hes a coke man
ornate umbra
Learned a weird piece of lore today. Orcs are all bald, and if you see one with hair it's because he attached a hairy parasite because it looked cool.
ashen shoal
the whole lore behind that is weird, because Orks are bio-engineered
so the Old Ones thought that for some reason their bioweapons needed to grow additional organisms for hair?
ornate umbra
I think hair was probably something the orcs saw from other races and thought was neat, and wasn't part of the old ones plans at all.
broken zenith
hair squigs are cute
tall hinge
I feel the orks in general took a lot of liberties that the old ones didn't intend.
They probably just wanted buffer eldar in the original draft lol, strong psykers with immense physical durability.
ornate umbra
Yea, that happens when you give a species the ability to warp reality by believing really hard.
broken zenith
da red wunz go fastaaaa
ornate umbra
And orcs are kinda stupid, so it wouldn't be all that hard to convince them they could grow hair by rubbing a special kind of rock on their skin, and then you'd have yosamiti orks all over the place.
then you just convince them that business suits are bullet proof and bam you've got orcish gentlemen
ashen shoal
Regular Orks are stupid, the advanced ones are very much not, like The Beast was capable of speaking high gothic and sending out ambassadors
ornate umbra
I haven't gotten that far yet. Warhammer 40k is expansive to say the least.
And I've only been at it a couple days.
broken zenith
Ghazghkull Thraka spoke to Yarrick in High Gothic too in Chains of Golgotha, which was also in Old Bale Eye
solar canopy
Orks bascially not only get bigger and buffer the more they fight they also get smarter
its just the downtime in between all the fighting that makes them degrade really fast again
its theorised that an Ork Waaagh! thats in a state of perma combat could evolve further than probably the most advanced species in the galaxy
with the caveat that all their evolution would still be war focused ofc
jolly flax
Precinct Fortress best fortress ❤️
White Dwarf ❤️
scenic sun
Wouldn't they also dwindle in numbers very fast unless they keep assimilating weaker Ork tribes?
scenic sun
Fair enough, still takes hem a good while to reach beast status
arctic talon
Fair enough, still takes hem a good while to reach beast status
Yeah because they need a lot of violence lol
scenic sun
Hmmpf
rustic spruce
hope we a get a class that can deploy tarantula turrets one day
meager zinc
So where was the emperor during the Dark Age of Technology?
rustic spruce
he was subtly influencing/observing humanity at that point
storm jungle
From the Hittite-era to the 21st century pretty much in the background of human history.
DAOT we got no idea.
turbid patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_o5oOJs_v0 looks dope
meager zinc
he was subtly influencing/observing humanity at that point
Seems like he coulda got more done with the better tech back then than the crappy post tech scraps they got now.
storm jungle
considering he stole any innovation he made probably not
meager zinc
I mean humanity had a galactic travelway already set up. He had to reunite everything all over again without it.
mossy mortar
But i think alao his prescience was a lot stronger then
meager zinc
Maybe he went on a galactic tour
Maybe yeah. His travelling years.
mossy mortar
But then his foresight gets dim right before the age of strife
Probably why he came back to earth before and hunkered down somewhere to wait out whatever was coming
meager zinc
Or thats when his drinking got really bad.
mossy mortar
Lol
The old lore had a bunch of immoral emperor juniors scattered throughout the galaxy
meager zinc
Humanity's reunification was his sober living exercise focused all about health phase
That's why he had to kill off all the thunder warriors, they remembered the times he fell off the wagon
storm jungle
crisp heath
Do people in the 40k universe have pepsi
rose thorn
lmao but fr i wish we knew more about food brands in 40k
crisp heath
If they don’t, is there a lore reason why not?
rose thorn
oh because after the dark age of technology like everything is gone
i doubt besides planets like ultramar almost all brands are gone
heavy talon
I'm not even sure brands would be a thing in 40k, seeing as everything is ultimately government controlled. I don't think there are any corporations large enough to have branding across the Imperium, if corporations exist at all, which I don't think they do
Most commercial products are made by craftsmen, no?
rose thorn
I'm not even sure brands would be a _thing_ in 40k, seeing as everything is ulti...
theres exampled in necromunda, one faction is an entire steel company
also theres alot of money in play
but i bet most stuff is probably made by the forge worlds and sold
near glade
Also rogue traders probably have companies
storm jungle
If they don’t, is there a lore reason why not?
- Book authors dont really go into food because its not really that important
- A lot of Imperial food is just same old shit or just gruel
sick knoll
Just bought eishenhorn. Gonna be my first book
In 40k universe
Very excited to give it a read
stuck kindle
Just bought eishenhorn. Gonna be my first book
Oh yeah, it's pretty good. And if you dislike it, there are tons of books spanning a variety of genres.
sick knoll
Oh yeah, it's pretty good. And if you dislike it, there are tons of books spanni...
Awesome 
I looked online abit and alot of people were recommending it as a starting point to get into the series. So I said to myself I’ll give this a try
I should have posted that in the book club but I only saw that channel just now 😅mb
storm jungle
no harm done
winter vessel
In the grim darkness of the future...there is no bacon. But in the state of 40k I doubt even the sensation of taste or concept of flavor even exists anymore in the Imperium, everything is only "edible".
stuck kindle
In the grim darkness of the future...there is no bacon. But in the state of 40k ...
They do have grox meat. which is fairly widespread
robust adder
40K needs a movie , i wanna see The Emperor
stuck kindle
Culinary wise, there's plenty of variety in the Imperium.
I wonder if humans eat Tau meat. I don't remember a depiction for that.
mossy mortar
There's various weird hybrid animals they eat
usually they're enormous and monstrous because why not
like the grox
various fish
uh im not sure what else is mentioned
rat on a stick seems depressingly common
i bet pigeon is too
winter vessel
grox is like a, reptile? so what does a lizard taste like?
mossy mortar
for the poorer people
it's some sort of weird engineered creature that produces a lot of meat cheaply
stuck kindle
Usually the meat is whatever available in the local systems.
mossy mortar
Apparently grox tastes good in addition to being able to survive on almost anything
algae seems liek ti's processed into things
there's also hints of more disgusting grub based food pastes
winter vessel
I dunno, i'm a person who just appreciates food. Like some who say" I wouldn't wanna live in 40k", I can't imagine being in a future setting where the quality of good meals becomes dull and depressing.
mossy mortar
it's a future dystopia
so regular people eat slop
rich people eat weird delicacies that haven't been invented yet
Abnett definitely likes making up mysterious sounding dishes
like birri truffles and fin of bladderfish or whatever
winter vessel
Playing CP2077 is a good example how backwards food became in that dystopia, 40k just sends it back even further in its grimdark universe.
mossy mortar
Amasec comes up a lot, it's clearly meant to be brandy. Joliq likely vodka
sick knoll
40K needs a movie , i wanna see The Emperor
Watch them cast Chris Pratt as the belvinent emperor
mossy mortar
smoking lho is pretty common. The name is a pun on "lotus eaters" and it's implied to be a sort of future cross between tobacco and cannabis
winter vessel
True wouldn't see too much of a negative impact with Narcotics, hell there's probably different mixes with the amount of planets have in their local fauna.
mossy mortar
"The kitchen provided steamed fubi dumplings and grilled ketelfish, followed by seared haunches of rare, gamey orkunu, and then pear and berry tarts with a cinnamon jus. A sturdy Gudrunite claret and sweet dessert wine from the vineyards of Messina complemented the food perfectly. I had forgotten the excellent qualities of the house Jarat ran for me, so far away from the hardship of missions in the field."
feast scenes in the classic victorian novel tradition
slash james bond
If you read the original James Bond novels they spend an inordinate amoutn of time on what james bond eats and drinks
Probably becasue they were written for English salarymen still stuck on rationing eating Spam three meals a day
winter vessel
Damn its like you can taste the elegance in that quote
mossy mortar
True wouldn't see too much of a negative impact with Narcotics, hell there's pro...
There's also illegal narcotics like obscura, whcih si likely some sort of opiate
winter vessel
oh man now i'm imagining the last Hostess Twinkie in 40k existence and the rich lords and ladies of the Imperium are desperate to taste it.
mossy mortar
im prettu sure hostess is more in the slop range
Like those shopping photos you see of people where potato chips are like their own food group
OR the food in idiocracy
where they eat cheesecake filling straigh tout of the tub
oh wait you can do that now lol
winter vessel
Nah, I'm just saying it'd be funny if they misinterpret a "commoner's" food item being a delicacy.
I mean the Imperium is practically built off of misinterpretations of the past no matter how hard the Logos Historica Verita try.
mossy mortar
that's the fun part
vast frigate
yeah, just depends on what youre looking for
clever steppe
The traditional manual chambering of the round
vast frigate
some general snipers do it, though im not sure of the patterns
a las locke is technically possible to be bolt action
winter vessel
Are we including the BDSM Repentia?
vast frigate
I thought the space finns would have some moisin looking guns
oh ive got no idea about the guard, just mostly about the random tidbits that are anchored in my head
crisp heath
Are we including the BDSM Repentia?
i mean
vast frigate
more an admech typa woman myself
crisp heath
apparently one killed a chaos lord in a duel
so...
sure?
both are very rad
i LOVE how skitarii look
vast frigate
Skittles must be patted and praised
winter vessel
Well what's the one Sororitas who was made a high lord but then promptly fucked off because how she didn't want to do the worst things in existence...paperwork.
crisp heath
which something some 40k people dont understand
vast frigate
Yeah, skittles dont have to be lobotomized lmao
crisp heath
Well what's the one Sororitas who was made a high lord but then promptly fucked ...
she fucked off to kill heretics like a good sister does.
vast frigate
it differs per forgeworld
clever steppe
oh ive got no idea about the guard, just mostly about the random tidbits that ar...
I just figured that since it’s been thousands of years and the imperium are still using revolvers they might also use bolt action rifles
crisp heath
also, another fun fact.
Celestine nearly beat abbadon in a 1v1
only lost because of the necron pylons activation
winter vessel
no wait nvm i remember, she was an Abbess and her name was Morvenn Vahl, former member of the Argent Shroud. Who have a reputation of not being the most talkative sisters.
clever steppe
I can’t really feel hype for celestine when she dies more than my friend i play souls games with
crisp heath
as is expected.
crisp heath
I can’t really feel hype for celestine when she dies more than my friend i play ...
well, consider
shes been around for how many years now?
nearly two thousand?
like, two thousand years, she dies say, a few hundred or so times.