how recent? That idea of Tau being good guys floated around before the Necron had actual personality and Cadia broke
#40k-lore-chat
wispy marlin
dusk patrol
how recent? That idea of Tau being good guys floated around before the Necron ha...
Literally their first codex
crimson dragon
Tau are just space communist
dusk patrol
People float ideas around because they don't read
celest dome
Even GW gatekeep it by having all their production in a specialized space (Warhammer+)
rustic spruce
Tau do some shady shit
wispy marlin
So not a recent idea at all
dusk patrol
People also float he idea around that Orks can warp reality
crimson dragon
They sterilize the population of conquered non tau planets
crimson dragon
Never have been good
clever steppe
Itd help if the gatekeepers favorite factions weren’t literal space germans and the sm equivalent of Reddit
crimson dragon
They want humans to be extinct
dusk patrol
They're just less bad in some ways
crimson dragon
So i no like
storm jungle
They want humans to be extinct
No they dont lmao
Anyone else that isnt a tau is just a second-class citizen
dusk patrol
They just want them subservient
storm jungle
its not the best life but it is a life
crimson dragon
Then explain the sterilization
dusk patrol
or dead
crimson dragon
Of non tau
dusk patrol
It didn't happen
crimson dragon
Ok
wispy marlin
sterilization are more for worlds that put up great resistance
crimson dragon
Xenos deserve it
stuck kindle
Then explain the sterilization
They are the goodest guys there
naive oyster
The entire population of Armageddon after the First War....
storm jungle
They deserve it
The women and the children too im sure
wispy marlin
Don't remind of the months of shame
rustic spruce
Super heretics
crimson dragon
They saw grey knights chaos, cant be too safe
kind parrot
It's true that it's an underground game but it's hard to sell on the TV or for a network ( Man in the high castle producer wants to create the Eisenhorn TV series) still no development 2019
rustic spruce
The lot of em
wispy marlin
Inquisition went completely stupid on it
storm jungle
It's true that it's an underground game but it's hard to sell on the TV or for a...
Its really not
clever steppe
I want the tau to stay the goofy faction of naïve altruistic goobers
storm jungle
40k isnt popular because again, toy game
celest dome
The Boys for example is not PC
vocal drum
humans and necrons can help eachother both dying races
celest dome
At all
dusk patrol
The Boys is very PC tbh
stuck kindle
I could see a more formal tau x imperium alliance tho. They have worked together in the past.
celest dome
humans and necrons can help eachother both dying races
All the Races are dying, it's called entropy
clever steppe
Yea id argue that’s just pc done right
dusk patrol
I could see a more formal tau x imperium alliance tho. They have worked together...
They still do
vocal drum
All the Races are dying, it's called entropy
who was killing orks?
dusk patrol
There's a more or less permanent detachment of Scions who work with them.
crimson dragon
I dont like PC stuff period and i avoid them
celest dome
The Boys is very PC tbh
The series is much more PC than the comics to be honest
dusk patrol
Definitely
storm jungle
The series is much more PC than the comics to be honest
This yeah
wispy marlin
certain systems might have an alliance with the tau. But as long as the worlds are paying their taxes thze Imperium on the greater scale doesn't care
celest dome
who was killing orks?
When there will be no more non Ork to fight
storm jungle
Garth Ennis is also a sexist misogynistic gore-porn idiot so
clever steppe
I dont like PC stuff period and i avoid them
Checks out
dusk patrol
Comics were pretty shit, I think the show is fine although it definitely has issues.
stuck kindle
The series is much more PC than the comics to be honest
The comics are edgelord x 1000
storm jungle
Comics were pretty shit, I think the show is fine although it definitely has iss...
Yeah i agree
dusk patrol
I think its gotten worse for sure as time goes on.
clever steppe
Reinhard von loengrom isn’t very pc
storm jungle
Eh nah
rustic spruce
Where would you even start a 40k tv series tbh
storm jungle
the show is still great
dusk patrol
But hopefully it'll stick the landing.
crimson dragon
Checks out
I support non coexistence with aliens
storm jungle
ill take it over the comic any day of the week
celest dome
Garth Ennis is also a sexist misogynistic gore-porn idiot so
I liked Crossed, the Boys made me too uncomfortable
wispy marlin
Where would you even start a 40k tv series tbh
good question
vocal drum
Where would you even start a 40k tv series tbh
start in da dark ages thru humanities eyes
crimson dragon
Im pro human
storm jungle
I liked Crossed, the Boys made me too uncomfortable
LMAO
stuck kindle
Where would you even start a 40k tv series tbh
Some random ass planet with a self contained story
dusk patrol
Irredeemable is a more interesting take on what the boys was trying to do imo.
storm jungle
we'll see how it wraps up at least, i got my hopes
dusk patrol
The Boys is just, like everything Ennis, so silly and over the top.
clever steppe
Crossed was actually a thought experiment
vocal drum
btw decent book to get my foot in the series?
dusk patrol
His only truly good series imo is Punisher Max and that was largely because he had someone reining him in for once.
crimson dragon
Just human
wispy marlin
start in da dark ages thru humanities eyes
So Humanity with tech and weapons that can move your particles a nanosecond into the past so to pieces of you occupy the same space?
vocal drum
first book actually
dusk patrol
btw decent book to get my foot in the series?
Uh
stuck kindle
Apocalypse now but 40k
crimson dragon
Event horizon actually a movie that takes place before dark age of technology
kind parrot
Crossed is just
Crossed ||rape || comics fantasy ?
dusk patrol
Eisenhorn is the lazy answer to that.
storm jungle
Crossed ||rape || comics fantasy ?
Correct.
kind parrot
Eisenhorn is the lazy answer to that.
For simple people it would be good to get you hooked in
wispy marlin
I like the Ciaphas Cain books
celest dome
His only truly good series imo is Punisher Max and that was largely because he h...
His 1st Punisher series was not a Punisher one, I won't accept it
dusk patrol
For simple people it would be good to get you hooked in
Its a great series don't get me wrong.
ITs just you know
The bog standard answer
wispy marlin
But they had no gellar fields
At least there were no "comatose psykers" cosplaying as gellar field generators
crimson dragon
At least there were no "comatose psykers" cosplaying as gellar field generators
Lol
rustic spruce
The ciaphus cain novels might make for a good tv show
kind parrot
ITs just you know
TBH Deathwatch would also be cool sorry i am a SM fan boy...
clever steppe
Gundam’s main timeline isn’t very pc since the socialists always lose
vocal drum
But they had no gellar fields
is that field to protect against chaos gods /demons?/and the crazy shit that happens in the warp?
dusk patrol
TBH Deathwatch would also be cool sorry i am a SM fan boy...
I love the Steve Parker books
But I'm just talking introduction series.
crimson dragon
is that field to protect against chaos gods /demons?/and the crazy shit that hap...
Its so you have a bubble of reality in your ship
While travelling through
A universe
Where random shit happens
wispy marlin
Lol
well GW decided that 40k wasn't grimdark enough so they retconned gellar field generators to somethin nonsensical and grimderp
crimson dragon
Like an acid trip
vocal drum
kinda like halo i think when they go in that black hole i think
celest dome
Caphias Cain story would make a good 1st Movie/series
vocal drum
they need that shield to protect against that other dimenesion
crimson dragon
kinda like halo i think when they go in that black hole i think
Its basically like a black hole where space and time inverts
Thats the warp imo
vocal drum
wait does the warp actually make sound? do you hear dead people (no troll) here since all dead souls go there i guess it would be loud asf?
crimson dragon
Gellar fields basically keep ships protected from daemons and what not
storm jungle
The bog standard answer
I have never seen a single person in my life recommend people starter books like the Macharian Crusade
one of the most underrated 40k series' of all time
instead its always Cain or Gaunt
dusk patrol
I think the main issue for that series is
crimson dragon
If you watch event horizon its basically what happens if you travel to the warp with no gellar field
vocal drum
If you watch event horizon its basically what happens if you travel to the warp with no gellar field
holy
dusk patrol
Very underrated
rustic spruce
Cain’s a likable guy, so his books are easy to recommend
storm jungle
Cain's just a lil guy
wispy marlin
Gellar fields basically keep ships protected from daemons and what not
You can see in the Darktide Intro when a Gellar Field is too weak to protect you from everything from the warp
storm jungle
wait does the warp actually make sound? do you hear dead people (no troll) here ...
BUNNY
FOR GOD SAKES
dusk patrol
Its a fun silly romp series
vocal drum
lol
echo nimbus
Why are Psykers despised?
crimson dragon
I read lore
dusk patrol
Why are Psykers despised?
They're scary
vocal drum
i have a book on the way lol the necro book
storm jungle
Why are Psykers despised?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
dusk patrol
Think of it this way
Why would someone be scared of a potentially unstable dude who can kill you with a thought?
Or accidentally get possessed and wipe out a planet?
Its like mutants in X men
wispy marlin
It also deconstructs some concept of commisars always shooting guardsmen because reasons and Inquisitors being insane people that headbump the exterminatus button
dusk patrol
But way worse
echo nimbus
So they hate them cause they mad scary?
wispy marlin
A Psyker with ill intentions is very dangerous
kind parrot
I love the Steve Parker books
yeah the story for Talon Squad was really good
vocal drum
yeah then U got that roided up tyranid pyker dont forget that
storm jungle
Yeah with x-men its kinda easy because most mutants dont really mean any harm.
With psykers uh
you know
hell portals
dusk patrol
They're a massive fucking risk.
echo nimbus
Are they like seen as possible nulls? or daemon hosts? idk much about lore
dusk patrol
Like one psyker can doom a world.
storm jungle
^
rustic spruce
A lotta things can go wrong with a psyker real fast
storm jungle
Its a tricky subject
dusk patrol
Nulls are hated because their nature.
They make everyone disgusted just being near hem.
vocal drum
Like one psyker can doom a world.
thats crazy
wispy marlin
Nulls or blanks are just despised because their own nature is like an anti soul
echo nimbus
Is there like a good way to get into the lore?
dusk patrol
Nulls often just die in a gutter alone abandoned by everyone and not knowing why.
dusk patrol
Is there like a good way to get into the lore?
So theres this new invention
rustic spruce
Blanks can see past big e’s psychic glamour
dusk patrol
Called books
wispy marlin
Being near one can actually fuck over a psyker
storm jungle
Is there like a good way to get into the lore?
wispy marlin
Also Lore channels on youtube can be a good bet
rustic spruce
The best way to absorb the lore is obviously 1d4chan
wispy marlin
uhhh
clever steppe
Is there like a good way to get into the lore?
Audio dramas for free on YouTube
dusk patrol
The best way to absorb the lore is obviously 1d4chan
The best way to absorb lore is the foot thats gonna be up your ass
echo nimbus
If psyker were to get corrupted or something who would deal with them?
wispy marlin
If psyker were to get corrupted or something who would deal with them?
trained blanks, or even stronger, pariahs can fuck them up
kind parrot
they are shot by the comisar
echo nimbus
Thats a psyker?
dusk patrol
Anyone with a gun nearby
green granite
Well this looks calm and collected
dusk patrol
Ordo Hereticus or Malleus typically though.
Or local enforcers
It just depends on the situation.
wispy marlin
Thats a psyker?
yep, and the space marines wasted no time because that possessed psyker can fuck up a lot
echo nimbus
Also I heard that the bolter gun ingame is like a pistol to the space marines is that true?
kind parrot
if they ofc have the knowleagde how to deal with him
dusk patrol
Also I heard that the bolter gun ingame is like a pistol to the space marines is...
Not quite
Its a bit bigger
The marine pistol is scaled up a lot though.
But its sorta close.
echo nimbus
In proportion to a normal human how big is a space marine?
green granite
What level would the ingame psyker be?
wispy marlin
You need to be either a Space marine or Sly Marbo to wield them
green granite
Cause while he isn't obvs a librarian he can use multiple disciplines
dusk patrol
In proportion to a normal human how big is a space marine?
So this isn't like, super canon
But its a pretty good breakdown
Mostly at least
This is all variable
echo nimbus
Which is space marine?
wispy marlin
What level would the ingame psyker be?
Well he is not Alpha plus, thats for sure probvably somewhere between high B or low A
kind parrot
What level would the ingame psyker be?
Probably a Mystics hew would need to be sanctioned ofc
echo nimbus
Which faction are we players in the game?
wispy marlin
inquisition
kind parrot
inquisition
or we are told to be 🙂
wispy marlin
we work for Grendyl
rustic spruce
We’re space marines
wispy marlin
We’re space marines
Well we kill enough bad stuff to be mistaken for space marines xD
green granite
We are necrons in disguise rip your flesh off rip your flesh off
rustic spruce
Tbf that’s a sequel to the previous space marine game
kind parrot
we will see how will it be different dev team
dusk patrol
Which is space marine?
Second one
dusk patrol
Basically
Although Astartes height is highly variable
Some are as short as like 6'5"
broken echo
I remember that the golden throne was originally meant for a webway project, one which was ruined by Tzeentch's schemes, but what's stopping the imperium of man from continuing said project?
rustic spruce
The fact that the emperor was the only one who knew how it worked
wispy marlin
well the galaxy being torn in half by one blackstone temper trantrum for example
kind parrot
I remember that the golden throne was originally meant for a webway project, one...
By Magnus to be more correct tricked by Tzeentch's
wispy marlin
and yeah, there aren't many who know how the throne works
and not sure if Big E right now wants the Throne to be "fixed"
dude is OP as fuck right now
broken echo
Isn't big E a corpse right now though?
kind parrot
i think it 's purpose was to be used against chaos that is why the chaos gods wanted it gone.
kind parrot
Isn't big E a corpse right now though?
yes
rustic spruce
A corpse that can move very slightly
wispy marlin
Isn't big E a corpse right now though?
physically, yes. but if we look how powerful he is right now, corpse might not be the right word
broken echo
physically, yes. but if we look how powerful he is right now, corpse might not b...
Fair enough
wispy marlin
guy can set nurgles garden on fire now
broken echo
Also I remember hearing at one point that the imperium has made some sort of deal with the Drunkhari to "help fix things", whether they mean the throne or the emperor. Is this true?
wispy marlin
Also heard about it, but not sure
and if true, probably throne
that thing was essential to Big E's webway project until Magnus ruined the whole thing
broken echo
If its true, that will be incredible. I mean the homunculus are pretty much immortal so they might be able to fix things. At a cost
Though I doubt the cost could be that dire (compared to regularly sacrificing psyker's)
wispy marlin
problem is. Its the Drukhari
Even if they have the knowledge. It would have a price that is certainly too great
broken echo
Just ask the sisters of battle to pay the cost. From what I've recently heard, don't they love dying for the emperor?
kind parrot
i don't think Valdor would let it to be fixed by xenospecies i might be wrong
wispy marlin
Just ask the sisters of battle to pay the cost. From what I've recently heard, d...
Well they wouldn't be dying for the Emperor if they pay the cost
broken echo
i don't think Valdor would let it to be fixed by xenospecies i might be wrong
It's let the xenos fix it, or let the galaxy die.
kind parrot
they don't care about the galaxy
broken echo
Well they wouldn't be dying for the Emperor if they pay the cost
Ah right. Death is never the Drunkari's style.
wispy marlin
Drukhari will torture you, do Slaneeshi stuff to you while killing you and revive you to torture you even more
kind parrot
they care about the core principles the Big E tough them over the year
wispy marlin
Its still the same eldar that murderfucked an entire chaos god into existence
kind parrot
i made a mistake i don't belive Valdor is the Captain General for the custodes but 100% they are not going to let anyone touch the Golden Throne too risky
wispy marlin
only if the emperor commands it they will allow it
kind parrot
stupid question how does the emperor aid the war beside helping warp travel?
wispy marlin
well emps does have some Daemons of his own
tall hinge
stupid question how does the emperor aid the war beside helping warp travel?
Moral support.
Most of the Imperium wouldn't be able to function properly without their unified belief in him, since that is what they build their entire disciplinary structure around. The Sororitas specifically would be entirely ineffective if he did not exist.
torn flint
the word bearers are the only good guys in the entire setting, change my mind, protip you cant
atomic pelican
Also I remember hearing at one point that the imperium has made some sort of dea...
The Drukhari were given samples of the emperor's DNA to help fix the throne, since it is guaranteed to fail in the next century. It is made of Aeldari tech.
They were traded entire sectors, billions of souls. Then japed the Imperium and simply used the project for their own gain. Every imperial involved in this trade ended up dying to drukhari in the webway.
quasi inlet
i made a mistake i don't belive Valdor is the Captain General for the custodes b...
Trajann is the Captain General. Although Valdor is supposedly alive in the present day.
atomic pelican
So all in all, 
#1 victory royale
tall hinge
the word bearers are the only good guys in the entire setting, change my mind, p...
Thousand Sons are the good guys, what chu talking about? smh
storm jungle
the word bearers are the only good guys in the entire setting, change my mind, p...
World Bearers suck
Word Eaters are where its at
near grail
Lorgar was definitely done dirty by the emperor
sterile heron
I barely know anything about the lore, but why do Zealots and most other people dislike Psykers if the God-Emperor was a Psyker?
solar canopy
cuz they are hypocrites
there is nothing more glorious than seeing a psyker loose his shit and watch his head explode and a daemon crawls out of him
ripe ravine
psykers draw on their power from the warp, which is a daemonic realm. so its a mixture of religious indoctrination, self-preservation (rogue psykers are usually dangerous), and plain old fashioned bigotry
crisp heath
I barely know anything about the lore, but why do Zealots and most other people ...
Psykers are dangerous not only in the capacity that they can blow people heads up and stuff but quite a few psykers don’t know how to control their powers and can become by complete accident prey for warp entities meaning that ur just a peaceful farmer minding his own business with a Psyker child that you when when boom, child explodes into a warp entity that kills every one in a 30 mile radius instantly then goes and enslaves the entire planet
Or becomes a demon host
Or just explodes
Also they’re different and we don’t like that
Basically what @ripe ravine said
ripe ravine
if you're wondering specifically why the Imperium doesn't have a problem with the Emperor being a psyker, it's fanatical hypocrisy yes
sterile heron
ok
ripe ravine
obviously the Emperor's powers are good and holy because he's Literally God
while all these regular psykers are just the worst
sterile heron
my psyker is a god
sterile heron
tall hinge
To be fair, the Emperor also doesn't talk about the voices and smelling flowers when in the presence of sulfur.
He's a bit more in control of his connection to the warp than the average Imperial psyker.
ripe ravine
it's definitely true that the Emperor was orders of magnitude stronger. while you might feel kind of gross in the presence of a psyker doing psyker stuff, you would never feel that way in the presence of Big E
you'd feel like this is your best friend
tall hinge
"Me and the Emprah would be good friends."
Favorite line in Darktide from the Ogryn lol
rustic spruce
Remember to stay safe near blood ravens
crisp heath
Cringe
hoary oriole
are morrow and zola part of the the inquisitor retinue?
arctic talon
are morrow and zola part of the the inquisitor retinue?
Yes
hoary oriole
are they the only ones?
what about the pilot and other vendors in the mourningstar?
hoary oriole
is it safe to assume that most of the staff on the mourningstar serves the inquisitor and not the local defense in mobian sector?
hoary oriole
i see, when we actually go down to the quarantined off sectors on our missions and see the other guardsmen that are in the hive city they could be either right?
cyan shadow
The staff we see are almost entirely the security detail. Could be the ship itself is part of the Inquisitors official belongings
hoary oriole
i imagine when an inquisitors ship shows up to investigate in any imperium controlled planet/hive city there will be cooperation with all local forces
cyan shadow
The guardsmen we see are all wearing the standard black of Inquistorial troops so it's safe to assume they're there on Greny's orders too
arctic talon
The guardsmen we see are all wearing the standard black of Inquistorial troops s...
They have a blue undershirt
rustic spruce
How come the IG uses chimeras instead of rhinos
arctic talon
Unlike the other guys
arctic talon
How come the IG uses chimeras instead of rhinos
Cheaper
hoary oriole
ahh didnt know there were colors to signify
astral whale
They work under grendyl
Anyone think that name has some sort of signifigance?
cyan shadow
hadnt seen the undershirt, could be ship security vs stormtroopers tbh
arctic talon
everyone we’ve seen in Grendyl’s retinue as a soldier is wearing red/black for their undershirt
astral whale
I mean... Typically there is a naming convention with mythical monsters and Tyranid Hive Fleets.
Connection?
arctic talon
The guardsmen in those missions are wearing blue
hoary oriole
so red undershirt would signify thats a security detail for the mourningstar that serves shipmistress (who is serving grendyl)
astral whale
Could Grendyl be a Genestealer?
arctic talon
No
hoary oriole
lol yeah i was just trying to understand the color significance
rustic spruce
Does grendyl want my jeans
hoary oriole
is red/blue usually associated with certain factions?
arctic talon
Red is usually associated with the inquisition and admech
astral pecan
does grendyl have ulterior motives
arctic talon
Blue is just a random color
astral whale
is red/blue usually associated with certain factions?
and Blood angels.
arctic talon
That also
rustic spruce
And blood ravens
arctic talon
Insert all red marine chapters
crisp heath
Is denim still around in the Imperium of man?
arctic talon
Yes
astral whale
Although I think the name is symbolic for a extrordinarily difficult to kill motherfucker.
hoary oriole
who is rannick?
loud gull
Hes an inquisitor captain on the mourningstsr
arctic talon
Interrogators are in training to become an inqusitor
loud gull
I assumed the inquisitors were a faction, not a job.
arctic talon
He doesn’t posses a full rosette
loud gull
We wear their colors and logo
hoary oriole
are the retinue of inquisitors basically on deck to become inquisitors themselves?
arctic talon
I assumed the inquisitors were a faction, not a job.
It’s a specific role
In the imperium
They have unlimited power legally speaking
arctic talon
are the retinue of inquisitors basically on deck to become inquisitors themselve...
Depends
rustic spruce
If only we could have gotten an inquisitor like amberley
astral pecan
Inquisitors are incredibly powerful and have much more agency than most in the imperium
arctic talon
Zola and Rannick are both on the path
To becoming an inqusitor
But it’ll be a while
astral pecan
incredibly powerful in a political sense, although i assume alot of them are also powerful in other ways
hoary oriole
who gives inquisitors their missions? i imagine certain ones would be favored in specific sectors they may be more familiar with or to investigate topics they have experience in, but who determines who goes where?
arctic talon
who gives inquisitors their missions? i imagine certain ones would be favored in...
Inquisitors do whatever they want
hoary oriole
or is it like a job board for them where they pick where they want to go
arctic talon
They aren’t beholden to anyone but themselves
cyan shadow
there is a hiereachy in the inquisitiopn
hoary oriole
i see so they just spend their time how they see fit, whether they actually are investigating heresy or just doing what they want
arctic talon
They’re almost always investigating heresy or other things
astral pecan
Pretty much tertium is lucky one came to help (probably) many inquisitors wouldve destroyed the whole planet at this point
hoary oriole
well i imagine the looseness of it means they can justify pretty much any action by claiming heresy even if they have ulterior motives
hoary oriole
but at the same time they're probably still super devout so in their eyes they probably believe it all to be heresy
earnest snow
The hierarchy is whoever has the most influence/friends in special places. Alongside whoever doesn't anger the Inquisition as a whole. Otherwise you're pretty free to do what you want with some consequences. Like that one Inquisitor angrily shaking his fist as you fly away on your ship to another sector.
hoary oriole
end justifying the means at all cost
astral pecan
but at the same time they're probably still super devout so in their eyes they p...
There is ones like that and one who play it a bit more fast and loose
hoary oriole
thats where the puritan vs radical mindset comes in right?
astral pecan
yeye
hoary oriole
is it radical or something else i forget
arctic talon
Grendyl seems to be somewhere in between
Considering we’re gathering heretical tomes
rustic spruce
Who runs the ordo assassinorum
arctic talon
For somthing
arctic talon
Who runs the ordo assassinorum
Themselves
cyan shadow
the high lord of assassains
astral pecan
Grendyl is more than likely radical I think
hoary oriole
is grendyl only in the game for the intro cutscene?
arctic talon
We haven’t seen grendyl in person yet
hoary oriole
just the holotape thing they played
cyan shadow
the woman in the intro is the shipmistress
hoary oriole
no i meant at our initiation
arctic talon
The servitor thing was weird
cyan shadow
the holo is the only time we see him yeah i think so
arctic talon
And it’s not even grendyl
cyan shadow
'see him'
hoary oriole
yeah seemed like just a bunch of faces and voices to make it seem like it could be anyone
but the words seemed like they were there
earnest snow
I sure love disappearing randomly from the Schola Progenium just to one day wake up for Eversor training :D!
hoary oriole
im sure inquisitors work mostly off of intel but they have to physically be somewhere related to their investigation
so id imagine they're either on mourningstar or tertium
earnest snow
Oh you bet they're monitoring in person. Inquisitors that don't aren't proper ones at all. Yeah they aren't gonna be on the front lines dying with the rejects, but they will be somewhere watching.
hoary oriole
havent the local forces in the moebian sector been dealing with chaos related shenanigans on the outskirts of the sector for a long time now (prior to mourningstar involvement)
earnest snow
Literally you can't fart without an inquisitor knowing
astral pecan
I wonder if he will show himself to us, we are lowly soldiers to him but if our deeds in game translate, he surely would hear of our outstanding efficiency.
for conscripts
arctic talon
I wonder if he will show himself to us, we are lowly soldiers to him but if our ...
Rannick added us to the actual warband
Tbf
astral pecan
Yeah that was generous lol
arctic talon
Lol
Imo we might see grendyl in person at some point
If shit goes really south
But it’ll prolly be some form of briefing lol
earnest snow
tbh idt any of our characters would want an inquisitor within a planet's reach of us, let alone looking at us. I'm not opposed to the idea, but our characters might be spooked
hoary oriole
how does a warband differ from being a guardsman? (i assume thats what we are when we first start doing missions)
astral pecan
I mean tertium is lost already I think
loud gull
I suspect darktide ends with nuking tertium
We’re in the mourningstar so we could go to any planet we want
arctic talon
how does a warband differ from being a guardsman? (i assume thats what we are wh...
Warband means we’re under the inqusitor’s command and have lots of privileges normal guardsmen don’t
Also
We started as conscripts
astral pecan
how does a warband differ from being a guardsman? (i assume thats what we are wh...
We were prisoners conscripted for suicide missions, lower than dirt
arctic talon
^
loud gull
My squad and i theorized there will be a daemongate in tertium at some high level, and itll have to get nuked and we escape
loud gull
Is nukes
arctic talon
Is being used to suppress things like that
earnest snow
Tertium is in a terrible situation, but as long people are fighting Chaos then it isn't lost in the eyes of the Imperium. We're a last resort, and I hope tertium gets nuked after all our hard work. Really would rub salt in our wounds v.v
loud gull
But moving forward, unless theres darktide 2, a dlc could easily have s new planet with a new threat
astral pecan
Now that we are part of the warband there so many possibilities for enemies to face and places to go.
arctic talon
Can’t wait to get molested by a chaos spawn
loud gull
Also, the npcs state there are xenos sighted on tertium
hoary oriole
ahh okay so veterans may have been guardsmen prior to their jailing but once we were arrested we were probably stripped of our titles and all started as conscripts
arctic talon
Yep
loud gull
Xenos dont include demons right
arctic talon
No
earnest snow
No Xenos are aliens
loud gull
Which alien factions make sense to be associsted with this
earnest snow
Which would be interesting I guess
arctic talon
If there are xenos
loud gull
Dark eldar? Who would be a-nurglin
arctic talon
It’s prolly gona be orks or genestealers
loud gull
We dont know who was driving the plague train
arctic talon
And not aligned with the cult
earnest snow
Well if stuff really is bad and is going to affect them...the Eldar would be sensible. If Orks are spotted then we really are screwed.
arctic talon
We dont know who was driving the plague train
Prolly the cultists
earnest snow
It could be a custom made alien species too
astral pecan
I so hope we see orks at somepoint haha
loud gull
I dont think itd be orks
hoary oriole
so when rannick added us to the warband that was one hell of a promotion, what future (other than the most likely one being death in the line of duty) could a conscript usually hope for?
loud gull
We would be seeing “signs” of them. Orks are not subtle
arctic talon
so when rannick added us to the warband that was one hell of a promotion, what f...
Literally just death
astral pecan
We would be seeing “signs” of them. Orks are not subtle
Tertiums a big place though
arctic talon
Prisoner conscripts are just meant to die
hoary oriole
so it would be pretty noticable if a conscript just kept surviving over and over and over again
arctic talon
Yep
earnest snow
Idt the Eldar would either. Unless some farseer witnesses a future, and tries to prevent it by fighting us because of some consequence down the line.
loud gull
When you go to the relay mission i was marveling at how all the ramshackle buildings could be orkified easy
earnest snow
They wouldn't
arctic talon
As an enemy
earnest snow
They're far too small in population
loud gull
Necrons….?
earnest snow
But its an option that I hope they won't take
arctic talon
Way too strong
earnest snow
Bro if Necrons come in then we sure as shit won't be survivng.
loud gull
In vermintide, chaos marauders+norsca teamed up with skaven
It just makes sense to see a teamup in this
arctic talon
We already have a team up
earnest snow
The last thing we want is necrons and orks.
Though if they were tau and we got in melee range >:D!
arctic talon
Scabs and dregs
loud gull
Thats….not factions is it?
loud gull
Theyre both just abhumans theyre not like a “race”
arctic talon
The Moebian sixth were already traitors
earnest snow
I wonder if they're gonna go for a custom made alien faction if they're gonna have them fight us. Orks are too strong, Necrons are too strong, Eldar don't fit fighting against us, and Tau would obliterate us at long range unless somehow we got close.
They could introduce xenos fighting alongside us cus it is the Indomitus Crusade Period
arctic talon
Inb4 grendyl is a radical
loud gull
Tyranids?
atomic pelican
Basically everything thats not like, orkz are going to be too much
loud gull
Would tyranids and nurgle be hanging out
arctic talon
Genestealers
arctic talon
Imo is most likel
arctic talon
Would tyranids and nurgle be hanging out
No
earnest snow
I guess if its early we could fight genestealers sure
arctic talon
They’d be killing each other
cyan shadow
GSC and first wave Nids could work
earnest snow
^
arctic talon
A GSC might work with the cultists
But odds are they’d be trying to kill each other
earnest snow
God imagine we go from crazed cultists to bugs that wanna eat us and swarm us.
Gonna go from pew pew to spraying raid
cyan shadow
Casual Lictor out of nowhere
atomic pelican
Yeah GSC most often will side with Imperial forces if it means killing off chaos. Since you cant rlly infect daemons/corrupted ppl
loud gull
Lictor my…
earnest snow
I...actually don't know how a chaos corrupted person would react to being genesteal'd or whatever.
I guess DNA is DNA
loud gull
“Ow”
earnest snow
Sure they will be in pain, but how would the DNA react and what not? Pretty curious to explore the concept.
Hope it implodes because the Chaos Influence is spiteful
earnest snow
Chaos Tyranid Hive mind when 🐴
loud gull
Now maybe
earnest snow
Maybe? It would play heavily into big ol' chainswords considering they tend to favor that. Or are portrayed with them.
Or...not? I'm not sure because I like equipment freedom, but idk how repentia would differ from a screaming zealot ig
rustic spruce
There’s something inherently satisfying about somebody walking out of the fog of war and triggering 5 separate instances of overwatch
I still need to play admech in gladius
vocal drum
when the warp becomes too chaotic do portals open up?
echo nimbus
Like what are these, they are everywhere.
astral pecan
Prayers I think, like blessings for your equiptment
atomic lodge
Lore question: what’s the actual situation behind the guilliman eldar gf meme?
crisp heath
when the warp becomes too chaotic do portals open up?
It’s mainly portals opening in real space into the warp, it’s very difficult for demons to manifest inside real space without help, which is why cults form to help them through the process, other times in moments of great carnage/suffering/whatever demons can reach across from the warp and manifest for example when commander farsight of the tau engaged an ork waaaaaagh so many orks and tau died that blood letters were able to traverse into real space and begin slaughtering both sides of the conflict until farsight unfucked it by not shooting them and finding a relic in a nearby temple
loud gull
Like what are these, they are everywhere.
Those are imperium blessings yeah. They stick them to armor or whatever to ask the emperor to bless it
Theyre in warhammer fantasy also. Youll see kruber and salzpyre wear them labeled “sigmar” in vermintide
tall hinge
Oh they did pretty good with it.
Side note (and late game spoilers); ||did anyone else notice that the heretic that he shoots that you are standing beside in the end is the same reject that gives you a comforting head-nod when you just got done being scolded as expendable at level 5?||
arctic talon
Side note (and late game spoilers); ||did anyone else notice that the heretic th...
They actually show up all the time
In almost every single level up cutscene they’re in the background
arctic talon
here his official concept art
Also holy hell he looks so smug lol
tall hinge
Yeah I started noticing it on my second time through the cutscenes lol
outer apex
Also holy hell he looks so smug lol
he knew from the begin who was the 
imposter
tall hinge
Just wanted to get some legwork out of them before giving the commissar special
arctic talon
Lore question: what’s the actual situation behind the guilliman eldar gf meme?
Yvraine helped revive him and there’s a ceasefire(to an extent) between the ynnari and the imperium
outer apex
Side note (and late game spoilers); ||did anyone else notice that the heretic th...
damnz
i didnt
earnest snow
Yvraine helped revive him and there’s a ceasefire(to an extent) between the ynna...
As long as Grandpa says to not fight the Ynnari the Blue Boys begrudgingly obey
tall hinge
damnz
i didnt
outer apex
it's very cool the final cutscene using the game engine?
i think it's very different at least compared to others that might be more cinematic i believe
tall hinge
atomic lodge
Side note (and late game spoilers); ||did anyone else notice that the heretic th...
||that would actually explain why you in particular were on trial, if you have repeated contact with them||
outer apex
oh that hairstyle of zealot
not sure why in the concept art, this helm can be combined with that hairstyle
but in game, it won't
it will be bald regardless 🤔
tall hinge
Apparently they had two zealots in their party and no sharpshooter smh
She must have swapped mains mid-leveling.
No wonder she was executed, bad party etiquette.
Also, she's wearing the misplacement of faith prison garb, so that's a fitting detail too.
arctic talon
not sure why in the concept art, this helm can be combined with that hairstyle
...
Prolly due to the issue of rendering the helmet + hair
It’s why Kerellian is bald
Technically
tall hinge
VT1 Kerillian outfit still the best one.
tall hinge
||that would actually explain why you in particular were on trial, if you have r...
I would think that was moreso to not let on that she was found out. As long as they had someone else to 'question', she was still potentially off the hook and able to continue her subterfuge, as opposed to if she was solely singled out and called to audience, she'd know she was made and do some drastic attempt of sabotage as a last ditch effort against the ship since she'd be executed anyway.
I'll bet she never used her ranged weapon on missions except when spotting an ammo bag and shoot off three rounds just so she could steal it before anyone else got it, smh. But the others in the group were too loyal and faithful to votekick her.
arctic talon
Lmfao
vocal drum
wait u can take a gene seed from a space marine havest it and plant it in a normal human?
then they become a godly space marine?
does it work that way or am I wrong
dusk patrol
Bunny
Read a goddamn book, or article, or watch a video, or anything
This stuff is easy to figure out
dusk patrol
Like, just google it!
But yes, thats a basic way to explain how geneseed works.
Its implanted in kids, typically like around ten or a bit younger.
Once they reach puberty it becomes a lot more dangerous
short thicket
Do we know why the mobian 6th turned traitor
tall hinge
wait u can take a gene seed from a space marine havest it and plant it in a norm...
And it's a little more delicate than that, just taking a geneseed and shoving it under someone's skin won't make them an astartes no haha, but it is the primary of the (19?) organs that are added into a human to make them a space marine.
atomic lodge
And it's a little more delicate than that, just taking a geneseed and shoving it...
Yeah I don’t think a geneseed is at all similar to a literal seed you can just shove in some ten year old and call it a day
lilac wave
And it's a little more delicate than that, just taking a geneseed and shoving it...
The New Men created by fabius bile are about the closest thing we see to vanilla humans implanted with astartes gene seed, but no other implants. They're genetically modified in other ways, but as as far as I can remember the gene seed is sort of the basis for their creation and they are superior to vanilla humans in all ways(according to Fabius at least)
ashen shoal
I'm honestly surprised GW didn't just nip the whole New Men thing in the bud with the end of the Fabius Bile books
like they usually like to close off any sort of vaguely galaxy changing thing so that the status quo remains exactly the same
runic trail
Quick question: Are Bolters able to pierce a target?
I ask this because to my knowledge, they embedded themselves in a target before exploding, not piercing them. (Granted, my knowledge on 40k lore is old and out of date.)
dusk patrol
It honestly depends but some are designed to over penetrate yes
rose thorn
Hey Walt a fycking second, In house khymere’s lore it said that their star reading and imperial tarot cards told them to go to the warp
Why the fuck would the imperium make tarot cards and include that as a possibility
They specify imperial tarot cards, they have a more follow the stars style religion, but if the cards were given to them by the imperium
Has this happened any other fucking time? Anything talking about imperial tarot cards
I am extremely interested now learning who made these cards
Oh found their wiki
oh my god this is amaiznh
Okay so my guess is they drew the ‘the great eye’ and while it’s supposed to mean to go fight chaos. So they either got it upside down and some other cards and saw that as ‘run away to the warp’
rustic spruce
can we get access to one of them psycannons
dusk patrol
can we get access to one of them psycannons
bold veldt
Its implanted in kids, typically like around ten or a bit younger.
the beginning of sigismund helps explain this a little more in the eyes of said child
copper cliff
Do we know why the mobian 6th turned traitor
Because you were too cringe
bold veldt
yes skill issue
short thicket
I what ???
dusk patrol
You heard him
bold veldt
that dosent answer my question
it does
dusk patrol
We don’t know is the answer
earnest snow
Because something something with the dakrtide
dusk patrol
Might be explained in the game
earnest snow
That turned them then something something
bold veldt
they were too silly and or goofy
earnest snow
Chaos
dusk patrol
They got corrupted by something while fighting the Darktide
short thicket
thats all you had to say instead of some stupid response
earnest snow
You corrupted them
dusk patrol
Oh pull the stick out of your butt
earnest snow
^
dusk patrol
Smh
copper cliff
The Moebian 6th turned traitor because they were out fighting the so called "darktide" which is just enemies of humanity but in this case I think specifically the forces of chaos. As it was something they were not allowed to talk about or be celebrated for. They were hit with a seed of corruption that grew into a bitter tree of betrayal when they felt like their actions were unrewarded and meaningless. And so upon returning to Atoma Prime where they were requested to aid with an outbreak and cult. They turned on the Imperium and joined the cult as a traitor legion.
dusk patrol
It’s possible and maybe even likely this will be expanded on in about
15 minutes
When the game launches
dusk patrol
It’s explained vaguely
We just know something corrupted them while fighting the Darktide
It could easily be expanded on more
copper cliff
It was definitely chaos because they weren't allowed to talk about it
copper cliff
That feel when something is a specific thing nor a vague gesture 
dusk patrol
We don’t know most of the how, who, what, or even the why, which is why once again
Im saying it could be expanded on
dusk patrol
That feel when something is a specific thing nor a vague gesture <:KEKW_ogryn:10...
“Chaos” could mean everything from some no name dude we don’t know, to a leader falling and taking everyone with him, to Typhus showing up and corrupting them himself
“Chaos did it” isn’t much of an explanation, obviously chaos did
They’re corrupted to high hell Nurgle traitor guard cultists now
copper cliff
It really doesn't need to be specific because chaos as an antagonistic force is inherently corruptive as a concept. It's kind of their job.
dusk patrol
What we don’t know is literally everything about how it happened beyond that it did
Sure
Which is why I said
It might be expanded on
It might not too
But I suspect we’ll learn a little more about who was the main leadership who did it, and a bit more into the why it happened
copper cliff
Well I'm saying it's not vague because chaos is a specific force. It's not like they got corrupted by genestealers.
"Able to be expanded on"
And
"We don't really know"
Are very different statements
dusk patrol
Look, this is really boring, I feel like I shouldn’t have to explain why the question isn’t if they’re corrupted by chaos
Anyone with two brain cells can see they were corrupted by chaos
And it’s not a GSC or whatever thing
The question was why they fell and what did it exactly
Which we don’t know, beyond the super vague massive net of “chaos” which is insanely vague
It’s like if I asked where a character is from and the only answer was “the Imperium”
Thats technically an answer, an answer which is vague as all hell.
“Chaos” is a vague answer which can be expanded on a shitton.
copper cliff
Its not even remotely vague. Its only vague if you don't know 40k lore which I mean. Pop off king, this franchise is full of brain rot anyway
dusk patrol
"Guys what enemy is the focus of this book"
"Chaos"
"Ok that could mean a lot of things, could you narrow it down."
"Wdym, I said chaos, that tells you literally everything you need to know about the enemy. There's no way this could possibly be narrowed down or expanded on. Its not like Chaos is made of hundreds of factions within it that can all have tons of different goals."
copper cliff
This isn't a book its an event. "They were corrupted by chaos" and the imperiums failure is as straightforward as it gets
Like that's textbook traitor legion
earnest snow
Daemons, Pysker incident, Cultists, Whatever. It could be anything tbh
dusk patrol
Yes, it could have been many different things which led to it happening. Almost like the actual thing which caused it to happen is vague, and could be easily expanded on or explained further.
rose thorn
All@im gonna say is a chaos knight invasion is going to have different priorities over a simple chaos cult
‘Avoid the sewers for a little bit’ and ‘ MAKE sure the people avoid their souls literally being torn out of their bodies by being too close to the giant mechs invading, and to make sure th e warp storm doenst cause the sky to eat poeple again
round cedar
just had a conversation about lore behind potential tech adept, hear me out:
hadron is high ranking to get custody of local tech adepts, and if they gain trust, they can get bionics (feats and cosmetics) and eventually turn into her personal skitarii squad
is that lore friendly enough to justify?
nvm if fatshark wanna do a mechanicus class they are gonna lore asspull anyways, just like with how Kruber became a grail knight lol
crisp heath
Wait, where does GSC fit in when a book is about chaos?
round cedar
competition
crisp heath
GSC have nothing to do with chaos, and don’t like chaos
celest dome
Tech Adept/Menial are not cared about by the Admech. So they would still be taken by the regular penal system.
Those would work as Admech developing class
crisp heath
What’s the Ordo Ministorum?
lilac wave
The church, more or less.
crisp heath
Ah
lilac wave
Should be called the adeptus ministorum. Ordos are subsets of the inquisition. There isn't really an ordo ministorum.
So if such a thing is mentioned in game it's -probably- a typo. If it isn't it would be a branch of the inquisition specifically dedicated to the church in some way?
celest dome
Isn't the Ministorum also the logistics of the IoM ?
full bane
Nah that's the Munitorum
Departmento Munitorum
Under the Adeptus Administratum.
Though in 40k, Munitions and Ministry aren't too far removed from each other.
lime dagger
They specify imperial tarot cards, they have a more follow the stars style relig...
ngl id buy an 'imperial tarot cards' set lol
copper cliff
Grey knights: we have to keep our existence secret
The bloodthirster who just respawned: those guys were weird
noble hinge
The average Ogryn is much bigger than the average Ork, so in a one on one fist fight it’d be the Ogryns size versus the Orks sheer tenacity (Ogryns aren’t always violent and are pressed into combat roles as they’re big and hard to kill).
Overall I think the Nob is a more "powerful" individual all things considered as they are great fighters, but also likely intelligent (roughly) leaders so that makes them more valuable. In a straight up fair 1v1 put up your fists Ogryn would take it.
Things to note though is a Nob who willingly fought an ogryn 1v1 would likely be a bigger, tougher and meaner Ork nob than the average and as such likely equal the physical power level of the Ogryn.
In a FAIR FIGHT, your average Ogryn wins.
In a FIGHT FIGHT, your average Nob wins.
solar cloak
Is there a recommended play order for the missions in the game? I'm new to 40k and wanna learn more of the lore
Play order as in story line
safe vigil
Nah I don't think there is
The missions are made to be replayable so theres not really any narrative to them
Just hit quickpllay and go ham
solar cloak
Cool, thank you
chrome canopy
Ok @noble hinge but what if, and hear me out here, it's a Bone 'ead Ogryn vs a Nob?
cinder pivot
Is finding out about the Daemonculaba the worst thing in 40K?
cinder pivot
What's the worst thing?
storm jungle
Literally anything else
theres a lot more horrific atrocities/things you can find reading any 40k book
Like dozens of sororitas flayed face stitched together around the metal frame of a sphere to create a psychic-torture device that keeps them alive through electrical signals and harnesses their faith powers.
cinder pivot
storm jungle
Daemonifuge is neat
noble hinge
Ok <@263167996447424522> but what if, and hear me out here, it's a Bone 'ead Ogr...
Ogryn wins
short steeple
theres a lot more horrific atrocities/things you can find reading any 40k book <...
Daemoncubus is it?
Daemononocubus?
jolly flax
Is finding out about the Daemonculaba the worst thing in 40K?
Just read about that, hadn't read that book. Pretty gross
earnest snow
Like dozens of sororitas flayed face stitched together around the metal frame of...
Tfw in the same novel there are literal rejects that are born of the daemonculaba that are skinless and aren't accepted by anyone because they're failed experiments.
Daemonculaba is bad, but people ignore the rest of the novel just for that. It annoys me a bit ngl
The entire novel had hellish nightmares in it. Mr. Bones wild ride at the beginning was painful for the characters involved. I wish people would know more about it other than dAeMoNcUlAbA
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much this
the memes have overblown the cubala way out of proportion when casual flaying and genetic-expermentation horror is literally in every 8 out of 10 40k book
earnest snow
The flesh coat people. A space marine literally mistakes a line of humans for flesh colored coats because their flesh was stretched so much just to be harvested for successful births from the daemonculaba.
I swear I'm not triggering myself with this topic dead sky, black sun deserves more recognition beyond the memes and satire.
storm jungle
Yep its genuinely good stuff
its also a nice thing of watching Uriel go from your regular ultramarine to "OH MY GOD THIS IS AWFUL I NEED TO BE A BETTER PERSON"
earnest snow
Absolutely
They sent him and his bestie on a suicide mission and they came back better people. Respect
storm jungle
Absolutely, its a nice progression
the mid 2000's 40k books always got some great diamonds among the rough
earnest snow
Yas they dooo
I nerd so hard over this stuff. There are a few books I forget about what happened mark of faith but I'm glad that 40k has some banger novels
storm jungle
Mark of Faith was; Local Sororitas goes to get super-strong mcguffin but gets tricked by chaos-boyz because plot, they shoot-shoot-bang-bang and kill the bad guys and go home.
scenic sun
bad book?
scenic sun
most 40k novels are... mediocre
earnest snow
Pretty much the novel
The execution of this novel was...just horrible.
Set in the indomitus period. Some sisters have to cross the cicatrix maledictum for a mission. The defining factor of the current plot. Somehow the novel manages to be so dull
I don't know how you can manage to make this novel so boring, but they did.
storm jungle
Yeah unless you are a Sororitas fan you won't really find much in it
scenic sun
i mean, how many ACTUAL good novels are there in the 40k verse?
not "It's your faction so i like it"
or "40k so it's passable"
GOOD GOOD novels that can be read by anyone with some low level lore understanding and go "this was fun"
earnest snow
They could have added a section where the sisters became bar maids for a chapter and the book would have been leagues better.
I do think a good bit of 40k novels are good. There are some exceptions that really stand out, but my expectations for 40k novels aren't that big. I end up being more entertained and having fun than being like this thankfully.
It's just Mark of faith is exceptionally bad
tired tapir
so has Imp of Man ever met other civilizations and ASKED for Confederation?
scenic sun
yes
many times, during the Great Crusade, they found human empires which some joined, voluntarly
some joined after some intimidation, some decided to ressist and the Astartes Legions were sent
simple mango
Mars remains the only example of a civilization or government to be allowed some semblance of independent identity/self governance
waxen condor
is there a reason the Aquila on basic armour is on the players right breast but on the left breast of the mourningstar NPCs?
simple mango
Also their forge worlds or within mechanicum forges that are less than planetary scale
storm jungle
so has Imp of Man ever met other civilizations and ASKED for Confederation?
The Imperium of Man doesn't ask.
They demand
tired tapir
not memeing
storm jungle
You are with them or against them, no matter how good or bad your goals are, you will submit to their authority
tired tapir
srsly?
storm jungle
The Emperor was no different tho
this was literally how the great crusade functioned
any human world that resisted him was crushed
celest dome
The Emperor was the one that made the IoM like that
storm jungle
^
waxen condor
you will submit to the empire or get the bolter
storm jungle
I'll pass
celest dome
Bolter aren't cheap
waxen condor
it’s how Pablo Escobar did it which arguably emps was probably him too
storm jungle
Lmao
waxen condor
planets aren’t cheap
tired tapir
so...okay, what if it was a xeno planet?
waxen condor
kill all if we want it
simple mango
is there a reason the Aquila on basic armour is on the players right breast but ...
Mourningstar and their crew aren't from the same branch of the imperium's command structure. Most planets or sub sectors are allowed discretion when it comes to uniforms as a way of maintaining pride in their homeworld
waxen condor
even being kinda cool with the aliens is likely to arouse inquisitorial types
storm jungle
is there a reason the Aquila on basic armour is on the players right breast but ...
Random decal placement, its not that deep.
tired tapir
the inquisition was founded to hunt down chaos tho right?
storm jungle
Chaos first and foremost
then after the War of the Beast Hereticus, Malleus and Xenos was created
dusk patrol
Originally it was just to document the Siege and gather info
The first Inquisitors and Interrogators were remembrancers.
waxen condor
Inquisition checks all levels of government for stuff that deviates from the Imperial Truth. The truth is so rigid it’s made departments that worry about heretics, daemons, Xenos, mutants, psykers, anything that can cause change in the homogeneity of imperial truth
celest dome
Remembrancer is something I'd like to see again
waxen condor
rly eh did robot goldilocks do that
storm jungle
No lol
celest dome
Like even on the TT, though they might fit Slaanesh more right now
dusk patrol
Idk why people bring it up as some sacred concept, it stopped being a thing during the Heresy
tired tapir
so if there was a xeno race that rivals the Adeptus Mechanicus' tech. the Imp wouldn't make a deal with them like they did with the Mechs?
waxen condor
aight then my cope is the concept of it in their society
storm jungle
so if there was a xeno race that rivals the Adeptus Mechanicus' tech. the Imp wo...
Not the Imps but tech-hungry techpriests would
like
celest dome
so if there was a xeno race that rivals the Adeptus Mechanicus' tech. the Imp wo...
No
dusk patrol
so if there was a xeno race that rivals the Adeptus Mechanicus' tech. the Imp wo...
It just depends
waxen condor
how long was goge vandire doin evil stuff
dusk patrol
Awhile
celest dome
but you can still yoink it
Liberate it
celest dome
Less than a Millenia
waxen condor
that’s pretty quick
storm jungle
Liberate it
Yeah its pretty much like a crooked cop taking money from the crime scene
in this case tho the dirty money is a gauss gun
Just you know, dont get found
dusk patrol
The whole “no inventing/innovation” thing is inconsistent at best.
waxen condor
what even goes down on holy terra like are there hair dressers
storm jungle
Yes
simple mango
Yeah there's definitely a ton of xeno tech in Cawl's bag of tricks
storm jungle
if you are rich
waxen condor
can’t my mom do it
storm jungle
Probably
waxen condor
do I go to karate lessons?
storm jungle
not sure if it could be considered Hairesy or not 😎
waxen condor
does it smell weird here on holy terra
tired tapir
so, what about moments in the games like DoW where eldars fought with Space marines so they can both live? would they be deemed heretical?
waxen condor
I just can’t picture what it’s like outside the palace for normie
a smart inquisitor would kinda let it slide for the battle a really asshole one would go up to mind wipes I belie
dusk patrol
so, what about moments in the games like DoW where eldars fought with Space mari...
There’s multiple cases of people fighting with Xenos and just leaving and it goes fine
Also it can go bad.
waxen condor
there’s always mentions in the fluff about warriors of the emperor being good with “accidentally” fragging their inquisitor
simple mango
It varies so much from world to world then place to place within that world honestly
tired tapir
after watching Star Trek, i look at the humans race of Warhammer and am just disappointed.
dusk patrol
It’s a setting built around a lot of things happen
waxen condor
but the scale of it bro
plush mason
isnt terra just 2 massive hive cities?
tired tapir
im watching TNG
storm jungle
after watching Star Trek, i look at the humans race of Warhammer and am just dis...
If it makes you feel better the Dark Age of Technology was just star trek on drugs
dusk patrol
Star Trek humans are boring as fuck
waxen condor
we’re talking bajillions of everything, people, materiel, macguffins
plush mason
Star Trek humans are boring as fuck
DS9 made them a better more interesting
storm jungle
Also 40k fans forget your average starship crew officer from Star Trek can kill a space marine with a single shot 
tired tapir
i gotta try that
simple mango
Anywhere from pre renaissance dark ages to futuristic settings from sci fi
dusk patrol
“Oh wow guys were figured everything out because we got found by aliens after we nuked ourselves and got perfect tech and post scarcity stuff and are free from all disease”
waxen condor
are phasers that OP
dusk patrol
“Wow you other humans are so primitive”
storm jungle
“Oh wow guys were figured everything out because we got found by aliens after we...
Its a utopia so yeah
storm jungle
are phasers that OP
Yes
ridiculously so
lmao
its literally like a miniatured gauss gun minus turning you into ash
dusk patrol
Its a utopia so yeah
I know, but my issue is the history of it is really lame, it’s not really “earned”
waxen condor
it also was used for random bullshit all the time too
dusk patrol
It’s just “oh thank god Vulcans found us”
But I digress
I do love Star Trek
Sometimes
waxen condor
in Star Trek the grandiose setting often is to “believably” frame what is essentially a moral/philosophical dilemma
storm jungle
Lmao yeah
celest dome
It’s just “oh thank god Vulcans found us”
Eldar "Oh sh*t Vulkan found us
storm jungle
reminds me of another one where there was some wank art of what would happen if a single Blood Angel showed up on Middle Earth
and it said he solo'd 20 Balrogs
and carried the one true ring to mordor
Yeah he totally wouldnt get corrupted in 10 seconds
plush mason
It’s just “oh thank god Vulcans found us”
tbf the humans did fuck themselves over with the augments
dusk patrol
Look Vulkan killing the Eldar girl was bad
But she was also being an annoying little shit
plush mason
turns out making super humans can lead said supers to want to genocide or enslave the normal humans
dusk patrol
Well it doesn’t help when you explicitly tell them too as well
tired tapir
if you guys wanted a movie, what do they have to get right?
celest dome
Wouldn't a Balrog be at the same power level as a Bloodthirster ?
dusk patrol
I’d prefer they do something self contained
Eisenhorn is once again, laziest answer but a good one
tired tapir
a war movie from the Guard's POV?
celest dome
Self contained and made for not just Warhammer fan
dusk patrol
I also think Helsreach would be good
That general story is pretty easy to explain quickly
tired tapir
what is is?
dusk patrol
Follows a Black Templar Reclusiarch leading the defense of a hive city called Helsreach during the Third War of Armageddon
It’s pretty great, one of ADBs better novels imo
tired tapir
ADBs?
dusk patrol
40k author
tired tapir
ah
i love how i know alot about Warhammer but it the grand scale of things, my knowledge is the size of an ant
storm jungle
Wouldn't a Balrog be at the same power level as a Bloodthirster ?
Balrogs are more or so Greater Daemon Plus+™️ yeah
storm jungle
i love how i know alot about Warhammer but it the grand scale of things, my know...
Pick a race you like
Read all their lore
Branch out from there
And as usual, the lexicanum is your best friend
scenic sun
i love how i know alot about Warhammer but it the grand scale of things, my know...
Aren't we all, our knowledge are like islands of knowledge floating on the great sea that is 40k lore
It's a 30 year old universe, don't beat it
kind parrot
Aren't we all, our knowledge are like islands of knowledge floating on the great...
this is why i love W40K lore it's never ending and you always learn something new
celest dome
The thing is that Space Hulk are weird stuff
So while they can be somewhat uniform other have varied zones in it
kind parrot
Depends who you want to showcase in the movie
cerulean sable
It's a 30 year old universe, don't beat it
Already 35 now... 👴
little cypress
I think a space hulk film could work well
Alien. Aliens. Event Horizon.
They've worked in the past, yeah.
cerulean sable
I think the first 3 Horus Heresy books would work well as a (mini)series.
First and Only or Eisenhorn would work well as movies.
celest dome
They are a bit of a bore if you aren't already interested in warhammer
kind parrot
My fear is when people see the Emperor's children they will have a different view on it 😄
celest dome
Would turn off a lot of interest
kind parrot
Fulgrim's legion is so annoying in the books...
celest dome
Caphias Cain would be a good Young start
Eisenhorn for a more adult series
The Mechanicus book as a Animated maybe ?
Or Custom stories like on Warhammer+
But not on Warhammer+ but on Netflix or similar
kind parrot
I feel that all this should be animated, like LoL on Netflix since you don't need to actors just voice actors, you don't need to replace someone example (Witcher)
full bane
If they do a 40k film it should probably be an original, more grounded plot. Something along the lines of Eisenhorn or one of the Warhammer Crime/Horror novels.
Adapting the super huge galaxy spanning backstory of the setting is asking for it to get muddled and go horribly wrong.
safe vigil
The Horus Heresy is essentially unfilmable
kind parrot
Yes that is why the creator of Man In High Castle wants' to create the Eisenhorn TV series but i guess it got stuck who is going to pick it up from the channels. Since i know that GW struck a deal with marvel to make comics. I am not sure who wants to film it
Yes HH is impossible to film or you start from the beggining with the unification war
and you go on the way as chronological order and not book order
scenic sun
i'd say they should just make OG characters for a OG storyline, make some background lore and hopefully it is easy to follow
full bane
The best way I can see The Horus Heresy being put to tv/film is as an anthology series.
kind parrot
The best way I can see The Horus Heresy being put to tv/film is as an anthology ...
Hm interesting, thought it could work just like HBO's The Wire
celest dome
what happened with warcraft
As someone who didn't follow Warcraft, I was a bit lost on the plot, and while professionals were critical of it, there are people who liked it
lilac wave
Doing the horus heresy any sort justice would be similar to like, the whole mcu.
In terms of length, structure and cost.
kind parrot
As someone who didn't follow Warcraft, I was a bit lost on the plot, and while p...
There the point i wanted to raise how would someone feel who has no knowledge in HH when they start naming the Primarchs etc... who is who
celest dome
In terms of length, structure and cost.
Would be much more difficult than the MCU
The MCU is all individual stories that branch together
Comics are made to be joined and branched as the writer please
Like there are people who dislike the MCU because they feel like they need to see all previous film to understand what is going on
With the Heresy it would be even worse
scenic sun
Yep
They could do a small intro like the battlefleet gothic games
Where it tells you the barebones, Is 1 or 2 minutes long and you know just enough for the movie to make you discover mofe
kind parrot
Simple example Mechanicum book Spoiler ||all the loyalist die on mars no connection to the other plot line you just learn only the ways of the mechanicum||
jolly flax
Where it tells you the barebones, Is 1 or 2 minutes long and you know just enoug...
The original Star Wars in 1977 managed it with the text crawl, and it took them 25 years to explain it in the prequels. You could do the same with 40k.
"in the dark future of the universe, there is only war..."
SMs couldn't be the focus of any film, anyway, unless it was animated. It's have to be something like the Inquisition in a situation like ours in Tertium (similar to how Dredd was rebooted)
rancid tide
ain't this the kinda info that'll get you shot
