40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

Gotta add more shit to all those purity scrolls

[arctic talon]

The fact he himself does it is pretty neat

Oh god the one that got covered in blood

[dusk patrol]

Who got shot by a guardsmen accidentally or something

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And it slaughtered the guardsmen

[dusk patrol]

And then he proceeds to just charge them down

Whomp whomp

I don’t have it on me but I’ll try later

It’s basically just that

It’s a short little blurb

[arctic talon]

Dreadnought so violent and covered in blood

It’s mistaken for a khornate dread

[tulip sand]

There was a space marine chapter called kylie minogue

Bring back old 40k NOW

[dusk patrol]

Tearers

They had huge FF issues for a long time

[arctic talon]

Carcharadons aren’t even that weird

They just get aggressive in combat

[dusk patrol]

Yeah theyre capable of just fighting with guardsmen

Probably not a good plan

But they can without issues

Flesh Tearers it’s always a bad idea

And Seth makes sure they don’t

[arctic talon]

They’re pretty normal for marines

Yeah the carcharadons don’t accidentally kill allies

[dusk patrol]

It’s only recently after Seth has made massive changes to their structure and how they operate and communicate with other Imperium forces that the Flesh Tearers have had a positive reputation

Before it was literally just “Oh fuck not these guys”

And they still have the chaplain whose batshit insane

And nukes a planet for no reason

Seth can’t just get rid of him because he has so much power but yeah he’s fucking nuts

[arctic talon]

The one who powerfisted a dreadnought?

[dusk patrol]

I think so

They were trying to prevent some crazy governor from like, holding the loyal planet below hostage

And she had some nukes keyed to her tongue or something as a threat so they wouldn’t kill her

And so instead of killing her before she activated it

He lets her, then kills her, and watches the planet below her blown up by nukes

For no reason

It’s so bizarre

[tulip sand]

Wait

[clever steppe]

But new 40k has rowboat and necrons

[tulip sand]

Genestealers were in lore before tyrannids

[arctic talon]

Yes

[tulip sand]

I dont care about roberto i want kylie minogue

[clever steppe]

What bout necrons

[arctic talon]

Lol

[tulip sand]

In her 1987 form

[dusk patrol]

Genestealers we’re originally their own thing

[clever steppe]

The superior space Egyptians

[dusk patrol]

And they got kinda folded into the Nid deal

[clever steppe]

Thousand suns are bozos

[tulip sand]

Necrons are actually just the kid on the playground who refuses to die when kids play war or wtvr

[clever steppe]

They’re a logical thing to exist in space fantasy

Im surprised they’re the only faction that doesn’t die

[dusk patrol]

They do die

[clever steppe]

U know what i mean

[dusk patrol]

It’s just harder to kill ‘em than others

Drukhari are similar

They just get free rezzes easier

[clever steppe]

I thought dark elves were literally the most screwed ones when it comes to death

[dusk patrol]

Nah they can get brought back although it depends on their standing

[civic brook]

Dark Elves are one of the most secure races, really

[arctic talon]

Tbf even the basic kabalites on the tabletop are pretty high ranking

Going on real space raids is a privilege

[clever steppe]

Im confused

[arctic talon]

Haemonculi have a method of reviving druhkari

Need to work fast tho

[clever steppe]

You’re telling me that dark eldar have an easier time of resurrecting than regular eldar

[arctic talon]

Yes

The dark eldar are way more technologically advanced

[civic brook]

Regular eldar don't really have resurrection at all. They can be ghosts in stones, but that's about it

[arctic talon]

Ye

[clever steppe]

We’re including the space clowns in that statement?

[tulip sand]

Well from what i know

[civic brook]

Well, they're not regular eldar, really. They have a god that can save them from slaanesh's loving embrace

[tulip sand]

Drukhari are screwed when they actually die

Because sex god is waiting for them

[clever steppe]

Yea that’s why im confused

[arctic talon]

Yeah if they don’t get revived

They’re Uber screwed

[clever steppe]

I thought if anything a higher ranking dark eldar would get soul sucked quicker

Also are the half eldar born of ultra marine seed since they wear blu

[civic brook]

Rich people privilege

The only half eldar was this one random dude from way back in the day. Like Rogue Trader days.

[arctic talon]

Half eldar don’t exist anymore

As far as we can tell

[civic brook]

Not really canon thing

[arctic talon]

Haven’t been mentioned since rogue trader

[clever steppe]

Sure but people said the same stuff about squats

[tulip sand]

Theyre hiding and working from the shadows

[clever steppe]

Ye

[tulip sand]

Alongslide inquisitor obiwan sherlock closseau

[arctic talon]

Squats were mentioned

After rogue trader

For one

[atomic pelican]

My favorite character, stimhead, once beat slaanesh by doing so many drugs he just got back up after being killed

[arctic talon]

They were mentioned in 7th edition

As well

[civic brook]

They've been on Necromunda for a while

[arctic talon]

So no that doesn’t apply to squats

Because they never got completely dropped and 1984’d

[civic brook]

And the half eldar thing makes less than no sense anyway

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[civic brook]

That'd be like a human getting a bear pregnant

Does not compute

[arctic talon]

Also the half eldar guy

Got brought back as a full eldar

Which fills even more dirt in that hole

[clever steppe]

Who else can resurrect

[arctic talon]

The only chance of a half eldar

Is the druhkari getting bored

[arctic talon]

Chaos champions who are valuable

[civic brook]

A handful of humans can. Called perpetuals.

[ruby sparrow]

Squat time

[civic brook]

I mean literally a handful, though

[ruby sparrow]

[clever steppe]

Not counting the thing the god emperor is

[civic brook]

And we don't actually know of any perpetuals post-heresy

[clever steppe]

So just daemons and chaos lords

[civic brook]

But that's mostly because it was an invention of the heresy novels

[clever steppe]

Ic

[civic brook]

The primarchs are all very likely resurrectable under the right circumstances

[storm jungle]

Late but lmao dont mention it

Snipe & Wib got more Rogue trader vids highly recommend em

[clever steppe]

Oh so perpetuals are just good chaos gods

That’s boring

[civic brook]

No, just humans that for some unexplained reason respawn when they die

[storm jungle]

oh whoops wrong channel

ah well

[crimson dragon]

I noticed something weird, why do both scabs and dregs cut off their noses

[storm jungle]

They dont

the nose is made of meat

it rots off

[crimson dragon]

Oh

[storm jungle]

theres not really any bone there to hold it yeah

[crimson dragon]

It decayed

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[crimson dragon]

I see

[storm jungle]

It took me until i was like 22 to learn noses had no bones so

[clever steppe]

They play deadly games of got your nose

[crimson dragon]

But their faces look less decayed

Than the nose which is heavily decayed

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly because the traitor guard are "freshly" turned

the Dreg cultists meanwhile got buboes and stitches all over

and are also filthy as fuck

[crisp heath]

Papa Nurgle takes your nose first so you don't have to smell the rot

[crimson dragon]

Ahh

i see

Well thats nice of nurgle

[arctic talon]

They have maggots in em

On their skin

[tulip sand]

If you melee them the maggots go flying everywhere

[clever steppe]

Maggots are gud

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah those are the poxwalkers that comes with the territory

[crimson dragon]

I wonder is the moebian 6th an army or just a single regiment, which confuses me as to how a 20,000 sized regiment can do massive havoc in a hive city with billions of people

[tulip sand]

40k

[crimson dragon]

Lol

[tulip sand]

A MASSIVE crusading fleet of 100 ships

[arctic talon]

Highly trained and they’re using chemical weapons

Also the cult

[crimson dragon]

True true

[tulip sand]

I remember someone saying whenever they release numbers for stuff just add 1-3 0's at the end

[arctic talon]

Is working with the Moebian 6th

[crimson dragon]

How big would the admonition be?

[arctic talon]

Large

[naive oyster]

A sizable chunk of the populace

[arctic talon]

It’s been festering for a long time

[barren tapir]

We do

[crimson dragon]

So i guess about 10+ million

[arctic talon]

And the pox gas turns more

Into pox walkers

[crimson dragon]

So 1 billion enemies

Gotcha

[arctic talon]

More prolly

[naive oyster]

Makes you wonder how large the Inquisitorial Force is on the ground

[crimson dragon]

They have pdfs

And other imperial garde regis

Possibly newly recruited and trained moebian regis

Still, probably somewhere around 1+ million

Also the battle is only happening in the lower hives no?

[clever steppe]

Ha

Pdf

[crimson dragon]

So the upper hives are safe

[crimson dragon]

Planetary defense forces are still pretty good at defending their planet

Though not as good as IG

[arctic talon]

So far yes

[clever steppe]

No i was just laughing cuz pdf is a file type

[crimson dragon]

I figured

Planetary defense force

[clever steppe]

Just send the chem dogs in

They’ll win

[crisp heath]

Remember the PDF has several hives to draw from

[crimson dragon]

Chemdogs will probably instantly turn to nurgle

[crisp heath]

But the Moebians are training every rotten underhiver to fight they can

[crimson dragon]

I heard atoma prime is a hive world

[arctic talon]

Chem dogs are ironically pretty loyal

They want money

[clever steppe]

Ye

[crimson dragon]

So the planet is supposed to be a single hive city

[naive oyster]

And to not get sent back to their prison planet

[clever steppe]

For drugs

[crisp heath]

That's not how hive worlds work

There can be multiple

[clever steppe]

Nurgle can’t promise drugs

[celest dome]

I remember when the Chem Dog were the real magpies

[crimson dragon]

Hmm ok

[crisp heath]

Only Terra is a planetwide hive so far

[clever steppe]

Slannesh can

[crisp heath]

IIRC

[clever steppe]

But

[crimson dragon]

Some diseases give hallucinations

[crisp heath]

We’re fighting in a single hive city

Right, but Atoma Prime's Hive Tertium is probably the third hive on the planet

[crimson dragon]

Oh true

Tertium

[crisp heath]

Primary, Secondary, Tertiary, Hive Primus, Secundus, and Tertium

[crimson dragon]

Third

[clever steppe]

Mayhaps but who’s to say they want to hallucinate

[crimson dragon]

They want drugs

What else do drugs do

Givw euphoria

[clever steppe]

Make me happy

[crimson dragon]

Im sure a disease can do that

[clever steppe]

Nah

[crimson dragon]

Why else do nurgle cultist worship nurgle

[clever steppe]

Because they have poor body images

And nurgle loves them

Chem dog no care about mental health

[arctic talon]

To ease their suffering

[crimson dragon]

Chemdogs can still be corrupted imo

[crimson dragon]

Ease their suffering through? Maybe diseases that give you less pain

Or rot your nerves

So you dont feel pain

Anymore

[clever steppe]

Yea that’s the other thing

Some addicts like the feeling of the needle going in

So if nurgle takes away pain

Riots

[crimson dragon]

Anyways I have a feeling chemdogs can easily be corrupted.

Or have already chaos sympathizers

[clever steppe]

Whats the defection rate can we look this up?

[celest dome]

Don't the Chem dog have collar bombs ?

[clever steppe]

No know

[crimson dragon]

I feel like they've only fought mostly xenos

I havent read any lore on them being in a battle against chaos

[clever steppe]

Tyrannids are the main faction they fight

[crimson dragon]

I feel like they are easily swayed by slaanesh cults

Just because drugs

Or there are already slaanesh cults among their ranks

Or slaanesh sympathizers

Oh yeah Morrow fought in Armageddon, I wonder which one. 2nd 3rd?

Also wouldnt you get executed for knowing about grey knights or something

The 3rd war is still ongoing nvm

[clever steppe]

Grey knights don’t exist

[crimson dragon]

Half of armageddon is controlled by chaos

Split in half

I feel like armageddon is the next cadia

Where the planet would break

And we would have lion el johnson waking up

[tiny valley]

who is angron's most hated foe?

besides plot

[clever steppe]

Lovegrin

[crimson dragon]

Uhh

He only hates the emperor

I think

[tiny valley]

well, he hates guilliman

for sure

[clever steppe]

His mental faculties have probably deteriorated too much to hate more than one person

[tiny valley]

he hates sanguinius as well. it would be a good time to have the phenoix metaphor play out.

[calm torrent]

If i wanted to do a bit of a deep dive on tertium does anyone know where I'd go to read up? I'm looking at doing a short story and don't want to faff it up badly.

[tiny valley]

bring back the red angel and sanginuis together

[crimson dragon]

Tertium and atoma prime lore is only in darktide

Theres short stories on the darktide website

[clever steppe]

Likely more lore will be written in the next 2 years

[crimson dragon]

^

[tiny valley]

I feel like all of these subsector hive worlds are generic

[clever steppe]

We’ll probably also get a few more worlds to learn about in that time

[crimson dragon]

The one for the backstories?

[tiny valley]

if you want context, I would look at the ravenor series. they really spend alot of time in the hives

[tall hinge]

inb4 we get redeployed to Hive Secunda for a genestealer cult uprising

[tiny valley]

esinhorn and ravenor flesh out hive cities better than the lore does IMO

also the rogue trader RPG might have something for you

[crimson dragon]

Isnt moebian sector close to the gothic sector

[celest dome]

They are lore though

[crimson dragon]

Hive fleet leviathan?

[tulip sand]

Warty thou

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think we know the location of the Moebian Domain

[tulip sand]

Lmfao

Odds that its on the wrong side of the chaos berlin wall

[crimson dragon]

Oh theyre on the dark imperium

[tiny valley]

I know that its close to the core, cause its not in thel utlima segment. their governement works completely differently. its more like what the empire should be

[dusk patrol]

Maybe, I think it’s just on the outskirts

[calm torrent]

It has been a minute since I read isen and rav, literally when they came out, sounds like I should have a re-read. And thank you for the short story tip on the webby

[crimson dragon]

Since morrow is from armageddon

[dusk patrol]

They talk about Indomitus and the great rift

[crimson dragon]

Im guessing they're in the dark imperium

[dusk patrol]

Which implies they’re not cut off

[tiny valley]

maybe. all I know is that I would much rather live on the 500 worlds then anywhere else

[tulip sand]

The creator of 40k literally wants us to call it warty thou why are we disrespecting the vision?

[crimson dragon]

Which 500 worlds

The one by leagues of votann?

[tiny valley]

the ultramarines 500 worlds

[crimson dragon]

Oh

Ultramar

Yea, same here

[tiny valley]

its a true meritoracy instead of a giant factory church

[tall hinge]

Thought he might have been talking about the Tau worlds, but that's more like 40 worlds.

[tiny valley]

those are called spheres

[tall hinge]

Orbs

[tulip sand]

Very sci fi

[tall hinge]

Space melons

[crimson dragon]

I wonder if Tau's are just gonna replace humanity and we get a cycle

[tiny valley]

the tau expand like the 1st sphere, the 2nd sphere, its just how they name their crusades

[tall hinge]

The Tau are never going to replace anything.

[crimson dragon]

Tau starts becoming more present in the warp

After humanity falls

[tiny valley]

honestly, I would rather be an ork in 40K. they seem to have the most fun

[tall hinge]

Would be interesting to see how an Ethereal fares in the warp.

[crimson dragon]

I want to be a hivemind

[dusk patrol]

Poorly

[tiny valley]

so, lets get real for a moment. do you prefer Ork, or Orc

[dusk patrol]

Considering almost no one can fare well in the warp without being a powerful Psyker

And even then

[crimson dragon]

Commander farsight the equivalent to tau emperor

[tall hinge]

Ork for 40k, orc for fantasy.

[tiny valley]

just saw the new IG models. they increased teh size of the IG models to be taller. wtf

[crimson dragon]

Humans from low grav planets

Duh

[tall hinge]

Primaris Regiment

[lilac wave]

Primaris Guardsmen!

[crimson dragon]

Or that

Probably humans just recruited from low gravity planets

The less grav there is the more taller you are.

[tall hinge]

I like how they've been inconsistent with this as well. Ogryn come from high gravity planets and became absurdly tall.

[crimson dragon]

Probably bioengineered

Squats were probably natural

[tiny valley]

they need to watch the expanse

[crimson dragon]

Since ogryns were descendants of convicts

[tall hinge]

I'd say squats to be more likely bioengineered given their retention of intelligence.

[crimson dragon]

Squats do talk about the first ancestors alot

[tall hinge]

I can't speak to reality, but can speak to other sci-fi settings that being on higher gravity world's tends to breed larger species, i.e. the sangheili from Halo.

[crimson dragon]

I know higher gravity makes you smaller cause blood flow

[tiny valley]

the expanse nailed this. people that lived on space stations were tall and lanky, and they will die if they go to earth

[tall hinge]

Wasn't that a form of torture or execution that they used in that show?

Haven't watched it myself but heard it from somewhere.

[tiny valley]

I don't remember that part

[tall hinge]

Might have been a different show with a similar concept.

[tiny valley]

but the show nails space physics in general. they didn't fire their lore master like Rings of power did

[crimson dragon]

Oof

[tiny valley]

I honestly don't want any major stuido getting ahold of 40K

they fuck up everything that they touch

[lilac wave]

Well, humanoids near the size of ogryns have evolved on earth. It just takes a certain set of evolutionary pressures.

[crimson dragon]

I want a good warhammer 40k film

Maybe anime

[tiny valley]

it should be animated

[lapis furnace]

Does the average person know the emperor of mankind is just a skeleton sitting on a chair

[crimson dragon]

Some anime studios are good

Id watch that

[tall hinge]

The other thing to consider with Ogryn is that proportionally, they are quite wide for how tall they are. It's not unlikely that their general size increased to deal with the rest of the elements they were combatting, and are simply shorter than they otherwise would be but are still taller than others on that account.

[tiny valley]

I wouldn't even focus on the big E. I would keep it grounded in the hive cities and not go full on 40K

[celest dome]

There are warhammer animation. But I ain't paying Warhammer+ for them

[crimson dragon]

I think ogryns are bioengineered

Still

[tall hinge]

Like if you had a giant dwarf. He's still short proportionally speaking, but still taller than a normal human

[crimson dragon]

To make them more dumb and less likely to rebel

Since they're convicts

[barren tapir]

Lol

[crisp heath]

why bioengineer them to be bigger and stronger tho, plus the dumbness doesn't necessarily make ogryn easier to control, krourk ogryn, if they're still a thing(I assume they are cause I believe the heavy stubber is named after them) are basically uncontrollable once set loose

[lilac wave]

A few dozen thousand years really ought not be enough for such a significant divergence. They'd have to be bioengineered or the warp was involved, or wierd scifi mutagens.

[tall hinge]

That's based off of evolution on Earth, not considering other planetary elements.

I don't think there's anything to support that, and everything we do have points to them being naturally evolved that way. If they were bioengineered, they would also have been deliberately made giant and strong, which would imply they coexisted with normal humans who were exploiting them and that is not a part of their origin lore at all. They are certainly exploited now once their planets were brought into the greater Imperium but until that point, they were an alienated set of colonist from the Age of Strife like all other human colonist groups of the time

[crisp heath]

A bad enough environment might lead to accelerated evolution, if only the strongest, biggest convicts are surviving, and the body is increasingly pressed to sacrifice brain power for brute strength, maybe they get there alot quicker, plus I mean also its 40k so maybe its warp stuff, people were saying beastmen can be born independent of warp influence though so maybe 40k humans just mutate weird

[tiny valley]

we breed new dog breeds within 50 years

evolution happens quickly if you engineer it

see american slavery

[tall hinge]

And that's social engineering, to clarify. Not genetic lol

[crimson dragon]

If you can have different dog breeds or different skin colors

You can have different human breeds

[rustic spruce]

you know, the ogryn should just be able to push the dog off of him

[tall hinge]

Which is what abhumans are

[storm jungle]

Gameplay =/= Lore

[tall hinge]

That kind of goes for most of the pinning enemies, but that's for gameplay balance.

[rose thorn]

^

[storm jungle]

yeah like if the ogryn couldnt be pinned by most specials

imagine the salt here

kek

[rose thorn]

actually more like lore =/= lore

[tall hinge]

The Ogryn realistically should outshine almost everyone else from a lore perspective when it comes to the situation we're in in-game.

[crimson dragon]

Its just that ogryn player cant be dumbed down

So it cant be nerfed

In a way that doesnt break lore

[tall hinge]

Well, dialogue also states that the player Ogryn are bone'eads so that helps to balance it a little.

Helps to justify player agency a bit

[crimson dragon]

I heard that the bully isnt a bone head

[dusk patrol]

The fact that our Ogryn can be pinned by some mutie who huffed some meth

But we’re also able to stop a chargiing Plague Ogryn

[rustic spruce]

ogryn on ogryn violence

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-tank-engine-thomas-and-friends-gif-24655752

[crimson dragon]

Anyways going back to the topic how humans cant change into an ogryn 10,000+ years is not true. We have different dog breeds. Also it took humans about 6,000 years to get skin colors

Well lighter skin tone

So i think humans did some selective breeding

With the convicts

[rustic spruce]

we could almost all qualify for space marine recruitment with the amount of people we're capable of killing at a single time

[crimson dragon]

Sadly we dont seem to be 10 year olds

Anymore

They pick young kids as recruits

[tall hinge]

This one bugs me the most tbh lol, the dog does but at least it's a ferocious animal that's spastic and harder to control, like a real dog that's only half the weight of a normal human. But just an angry boi who's smaller than the Ogryn, not a fan

[solar canopy]

i mean you also need to be compatible to whatever geneseed you are going to be modified with in the marine creation process

[dusk patrol]

It’s not like it would break the special either

[solar canopy]

that gets alot of people out aswell

[dusk patrol]

The thing is already annoying as shit

Literally most health in the game besides bosses

Can’t be staggered

[crimson dragon]

I think it shouldnt stun ogryns, but do damage to an ogryn over time so like stick to an ogryns back

[tall hinge]

Yeah, even the Ogryn charge makes him pause for like a second but he doesn't get knocked down from it.

[lilac wave]

We might get the same gene therapy they give to temple assassins. Hell, a vindicare could take most space marines, even in melee.

[dusk patrol]

Like idc if he can grab Ogryns

[crimson dragon]

And have a friendly kill it

[dusk patrol]

I just want to be able to counter charge him

[tall hinge]

Tends to be that I charge him, and by the time I turn sround to shoot him he's already recovered and grabs me.

[dusk patrol]

It just feels really bad

And doesn’t make a lick of sense

[crimson dragon]

Devs should invert ogryn controls to nerf him instead

Dumb the ogryn down

[rustic spruce]

my issue with mutants is their 90 degree turns

[dusk patrol]

My issue is with them being alive

[tall hinge]

I'd genuinely be okay if they made the mini game for restoring the data interrogator harder for them. Or having him hold the device upside down so that you are going from bottom to top on the symbol chart. Would be a fun little gimmick and nod.

[crimson dragon]

Yeah

[tall hinge]

Would help to offset the advantage that they get with the ammo crate carrying objective.

[crimson dragon]

Or maybe its slower to do anything with mechanical stuff

So like pressing a button to open the door

[tall hinge]

Eh, most of the mechanical stuff is just hitting a button or pulling a lever so that doesn't need to be slowed down.

[crimson dragon]

Or slower reload

Cause you forgot how to

[tall hinge]

They do fumble in some of their reload animations.

On the ripper gun when you reload, sometimes he'll accidentally smack the loading rail with the magazine because he tries putting it in at the wrong angle.

[crimson dragon]

Or maybe they dont get the in game markers

Like the ones that tell you where to go

So you're forced to look around to know where to go

And what to pick up

So you'd need non ogryn teammates to help guide you

[tall hinge]

I mean that would be just as reasonable to impose on the other characters just as much as the ogryn at that point

Because no one actually sees those markers, it's just a gameplay mechanic.

[crimson dragon]

Idk how else we could make the ogryn dumber

[tall hinge]

And again, these aren't regular ogryn, they are the neurally enhanced ones.

[crimson dragon]

So the gameplay is difficult

Mk

[tall hinge]

Just flavorfully, not in an actually hindering way that makes the entire party suffer.

[crimson dragon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

Biggest lore discrepancy in the game is that they bothered to give the Ogryn an Auspex

[crimson dragon]

[dusk patrol]

And that despite the fact that they did

It works

[tall hinge]

And ironically I tend to be the one doing the most scanning lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[tall hinge]

No one else plays the obj gdi

[dusk patrol]

Tanky af it makes sense

Can just swipe the horde to stun them, scan

[crimson dragon]

I have the camo perk so i just stand still to do the interrogation

Repairs

While my teammates handle the rest

[tall hinge]

I'd love to actually be an ogryn bodyguard like I'm supposed to be and protect whoever wants to scan, but nobody else ever does, they just want to kill

[crimson dragon]

Probably trying to remove the hord first

[tall hinge]

I do that on my Escher vet sharpshooter as well

[tall hinge]

Not even a horde, just them running around picking off solos and opening crates

[crimson dragon]

Oof

[tall hinge]

If it's a horde, I'm already there with my cleaving dagger

[crimson dragon]

I get decent teammates

On malice

Though i got my first annoying speedrunner last night

On my team

Literally sped run when we were fighting a horde

Either waited for the team to die so he can advance to the next part when he is on the elevator or airlock

Or wait until we get there

[tall hinge]

Yeah I had my first annoying player yesterday too lol. Not a speed runner, but he was getting angry because he has a weekly to kill enemies and was getting mad when I killed anything because I guess he felt entitled to his weekly and thus just wanted me to follow along while he killed stuff and didn't do any of the objectives.

[crimson dragon]

Lmao

Thats annoying too but i just keep quiet and steal kills from people instead

Cause i need to kill 1000 scabs with range

[tall hinge]

First time I cussed at someone on there and just deliberately became a troll because of how pathetic he was being about not being able to be a solo player on a co-op game. Guy bought the wrong MW2

[crimson dragon]

I need 200 more scab kills

[crimson dragon]

Was this malice

Or heresy

[tall hinge]

I think mine is 750 scabs with ranged.

Malice

[crimson dragon]

Lucky

I have to kill 10 bosses

[tall hinge]

I have to kill 5 lol

[crimson dragon]

1000 scabs with range

[tall hinge]

I'll trade you.

[crimson dragon]

750 dregs

Which i completed

3 missions without dying

[tall hinge]

I want the higher rewards lol

[crimson dragon]

Which was easy

I got rid of the grim contracts

And complete 25 missions

Anyways If i find annoying people I dont revive them if they die lol

Or take my time searching for crafting materials

So the speed runners cant advance

[ruby sparrow]

I just use autogun. Problem solved

I can kill 750 in a week eaay peasy

[native falcon]

anyone know who that is?

[ruby sparrow]

Amelia on'gauss

[uncut garnet]

When does Darktide take place in universe?

[tall hinge]

[tall hinge]

Don't recall his name atm, but it's the inquisitor on board the ship. He shows up in the level 25 and level 30 cutscenes.

[kind parrot]

Maybe Grandyl? or Grendyl

[dusk patrol]

Sometime after Indomitus has started

Aka fairly “recent”

[lilac wave]

Oh, it's the Interrogator Melk I think.

[kind parrot]

Spoil me, the Dark Imperium is the new story line for 40K?

[lilac wave]

I don't think we've seen Grendyl outside of maybe the trailier, if she's that one old lady.

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[dusk patrol]

That’s not him

[lilac wave]

Is that confirmed?

[kind parrot]

What is your take, GW is taking it to Warhammer fantasy?

[dusk patrol]

What?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah her name is like Brahm or something

She’s the Shipmistress

[uncut garnet]

Much appreciated

[lilac wave]

Neat, thanks. Then I guess we really have no idea at all who Grendyl is.

[kind parrot]

Spolier ||Warhammer Fantasy all the characters died :)||

[mystic geyser]

Well.. ||everyone who didn't turn into a god ||

[celest dome]

Not really, we kinda already knew in advance that the ET were gonna happen one way or another

[dusk patrol]

Wel yeah but no it’s not gonna happen

It’s a completely different scenario

[celest dome]

40k seem to rather move further in the timeline

[dusk patrol]

Also Fantasy was uh

Not doing well at the time

[celest dome]

Which is what they could have done

[dusk patrol]

40k basically pays for the company

[kind parrot]

dying since no one was buying minis

[celest dome]

But chose to not do so

Cause the rules were bad

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it was done poorly

[celest dome]

So bad

Mordheim and Dreadfleet still are good memories

Dreadfleet over all

[kind parrot]

the question is more like your opinion will the ||Emperor revive himself or the Emperium of mankind will fall appart and die out||

to be more precise what would you like to happen in the story forward

[celest dome]

Option 0: The Golden throne doesn't break but still is in decay, eternally

[kind parrot]

That is the option they are going to do since it will generate more money

[crisp heath]

I like the idea of the Emperor dying and the Imperium shattering as the astronomican goes dark, setting the stage for him to either be reborn and attempt reunification or alternatively become a true contender with the chaos gods within warp space

[crimson dragon]

What are the chances Kruber is one of the Liliths knights or whatever

Or would he be one of the sigmarines

Including saltzpyre

[celest dome]

Most likely part of the GK that remained with the Lady, and went on to protect Grey haven

Though the most likely choice to the fate of the U5 would be for them to have become Soulbound

[crimson dragon]

Soulbound to whom

[celest dome]

The rest of the U5

[crimson dragon]

Oh

[tall hinge]

I mean he's the Perpetual, so this is pretty unlikely.

Like Cacti said, he is just decaying eternally.

[celest dome]

Well the Blade he was struck down with was supposed to be able to destroy souls, which for Perpetuals is very needed

[stuck kindle]

Those territories, which are ‘parts unknown’, wild worlds outside the Imperium’s remit, are a hotbed of alien (“xenos”) and daemonic threat. To the average citizen of Atoma and its sister worlds

We doing xenos one of these days

[celest dome]

Maybe

Maybe not

[wispy marlin]

Genestealers most likely if we get Xenos to kill

[celest dome]

Wouldn't work with Chaos

Would need 100% separate roster

[ruby sparrow]

[tall hinge]

But it didn't kill him outright.

[tall hinge]

Genestealer cults in hive secunda

[ruby sparrow]

Cant wait to fight jeanstealers

[celest dome]

Yes, because it wasn't like Horus managed to do the kill strike, only injured hiö

[tall hinge]

Having a genestealer as a boss would be something

Having them give a genestealer random G-Man esque hidden cameos on out-of-bounds fringes of the maps lurking in the dark as a lead up to the gsc DLC. Would be neat.

[tall hinge]

Thus didn't kill him and claim his soul.

[wispy marlin]

And seeing how the last added boss mob is quite awesome ( even though it can be cheesed ). Pretty sure that a new Genestealer boss would be fun as hell

[tall hinge]

Maybe it would be better as a monstrosity rather than a boss.

I was thinking of it to be a final boss for a level because these are the things that will tear terminator marines apart, but at the same time I don't think they are quite as durable as a final boss would be, they go down as easily as most other Tyranids when shots get landed on them.

It's the fact that they are ambush predators where they have the advantage.

[barren ether]

How present would the more “natural” forms of Tyranid be?

Almost nonexistent as the hive-fleet wouldn’t have arrived yet right?

[stuck kindle]

I wonder why we are going around collecting grimoires and scriptures in these levels. It's really weird that you would send suspected heretics to go do that stuff.

[celest dome]

Well a gun is made to kill
But you can sometime survive it and have long lasting injuries

[barren ether]

Well by level 30 we are semi-valuable assets. Depending on the inquisitor and their method of research, heretical documents such as grimoires are highly valuable in knowing your enemy

Therefore it would be imperative to retrieve them. And therefore you’d have to use proven assets to retrieve them during pitched battles or what not.

[stuck kindle]

I just wonder how many would have defected

[barren ether]

I’d imagine quite a few

That’s why we put them down

Our player characters have a bit of plot armor to them as they are our player characters

However we see everyone else, and just assume everyone else is just another character in the story

[wispy marlin]

Pretty sure that the Inquisitor we are working for is NOT a Puritan.

[barren ether]

Therefore they could end up doing any number of things such as heresy

[barren ether]

I agree 100%

Especially as he is seen to use penal soldiers for his goals and that’s rather rare

[wispy marlin]

Otherwise the Loner Psyker alone wouldn't be able to survive long enough without getting executed

[barren ether]

Generally we’ve seen inquisitors to attach themselves to guard elements and use the guard or what not to further pursue their objectives

Yes the psykers seem to have a LOT more freedom while beyond the wire I guess

[vocal drum]

so why did the necrons wake up after 60million years of sleep/rest?

tyranids woke them?

[wispy marlin]

That Psyker personality is quite heretical

[barren ether]

The Silent king has a hand in all of that

He saw what waited beyond the galaxy and came back I suppose

That and the regular 40k fluff about some Necrons having never gone to sleep and what not

Such as Trayzn the Infinite

[wispy marlin]

Got one voiceline from him where he talked about faith and deifying someone who doesn't want to ( if I remember correctly ). If THAT is allowed, that could speak a bit more about the Inquisitor

[barren ether]

Considering the comma are monitored, we are definitely valuable assets if we are given that type of verbal leeway

*comms

[vocal drum]

necrons def my fav faction, love their living metal bodies and their green fire stuff

idk what that fire stuff is tho

[barren ether]

The C’Tan are a lovely bunch of eldritch gods

And the fact there’s a shard of the Dragon on Mars is also a really nice touch of lore that totally doesn’t affect the Adeptus Mechanicus

[vocal drum]

how can this small frail robot be so strong

[clever steppe]

Them thighs😮‍💨

[barren ether]

Necrodermis is a hell of a drug

[vocal drum]

and is that weapon powerful?

[barren ether]

Like daddy Ferrus Manus’ hand’s were made of necrodermis

[celest dome]

Yes

Very powerful for a base infantry weapon

[vocal drum]

so necrons are literally an army of terminators

[barren ether]

It’s a gauss rifle

[barren ether]

Yes

Technically I guess

[vocal drum]

that can kil gods

with insane technology

[barren ether]

Well they kinda sorta subjugated theirs

It’s complicated

[vocal drum]

wow it melted him

that would put in work vs tyranids

[barren ether]

Yes

[wispy marlin]

Well with the amount of enemies we are shredding, some might mistake our 4 man squads for some Space Marine bullshit. Not talking about the ungodly amounts of dregs, those are just militia. Scores of traitor Guardsmen. a few palgue Ogryns and Beasts of Nurgle. Not to mention we are now killing Daemonhosts...

[barren ether]

Right? We kinda accomplish some crazy shit even on Malice difficulty

[wispy marlin]

Insane doesn't describe it. One of their most insane weapons is an interactive map.

[tall hinge]

Dunno if that applies with a soul, seems a lot more all or nothing when it comes to your metaphysical being and consciousness

[barren ether]

Like the Celestial Orrery

Like the Necrons just have that as a weapon they can use

[celest dome]

I mean I don't know

[vocal drum]

WOW they had the whole milkyway under their control?

[barren ether]

It’s some whacky, not really well explained, weapon that can blow up ANY star

[celest dome]

I never really tried to kill a soul or something

[barren ether]

Literally ANY star in the galaxy

[wispy marlin]

And that map is truly interactive. If you delete a star on it, that star goes supernova

[barren ether]

Correct

[wispy marlin]

So please don't sneeze on it

[barren ether]

Yeah it’s fucking bonkers

Technically the Necrons are the true “big bad”

But as is ever 40k, we won’t really see that type of stuff

[wispy marlin]

And when it comes to Tyranids, our best hope

[vocal drum]

do necrons have any allies they "care" about?

[stuck kindle]

The ctan

[barren ether]

Us kinda

[vocal drum]

they like humans?

[wispy marlin]

The Silent King wants his race to be organic again

[barren ether]

Yes

[celest dome]

Some have Human pets of sort

[barren ether]

They want us to survive so they can use us as meat puppets again

[wispy marlin]

so he needs our organic races to be alive and not be nommed by Tyranids

[vocal drum]

but lore says that they only went metal because of the radiation that was killing them

[barren ether]

Okay okay

[vocal drum]

if they want flesh again wont they die?

[barren ether]

So

Here’s spark notes

[stuck kindle]

They went metal to be entombed

[barren ether]

Necrons lived on a planet like mercury

Cancer race

Everyone had cancer

There were these guys called the Old Ones

They were space lizards with the power of Jesus

The Necrons wanted their help, Space lizards said “nah”

Necrons were still an advanced race however

They tried to wage war with the old ones

They failed

Then they found the C’Tan

They fed on suns

[vocal drum]

wait c'tan

b4 u go on

who were they and are they still around

[cyan oxide]

hes getting there

[vocal drum]

alright

[barren ether]

Dw I’ll get there

[crimson dragon]

Ctans learned that souls taste better

[barren ether]

So the Necrons were like “we want revenge and no more cancer”

C’Tan are eldritch gods, and like the fuckers they are, they took away the cancer and gave them the means to get revenge

[crimson dragon]

Also necrons before necrons were called necrontyr

[barren ether]

But souls begone

[barren ether]

Thank you, correct

[crimson dragon]

Before they became sentient robots

[vocal drum]

ok this is where i get confused they gave them metal bodies pretty much?

[cyan oxide]

skipped over the part where the c'tan where space clouds and the necrons gave them big robot bodies

[crimson dragon]

They were a race

[barren ether]

So the necrontyr marched into the soul furnaces and the majority lost em

[vocal drum]

oh wow

[wispy marlin]

Soem marched willingly others were forced

[crimson dragon]

Necrontyrs had a lifespan similar to tau

[vocal drum]

did they trick them or something?

[cyan oxide]

necrontyr got tricked yes

mokeys paw

[barren ether]

Now mind you the Necrontyr aristocracy and their handlers kept their souls for the most part

[cyan oxide]

they wanted to escape death so then they became souless robots that cant die

[barren ether]

So they retained autonomous thought and even “feeling”

Then the War in Heaven began

[wispy marlin]

War in Heaven was insane

[scenic sun]

Didn't they all lose their souls?

[vocal drum]

thats how the chaos got all messed up?

[crimson dragon]

Second

I think

[wispy marlin]

It completely fucked the Warp

[crimson dragon]

Second war in heaven

[kind parrot]

Off topic sorry is there a creation story for the chaos gods? How were they created?

[barren ether]

Please see my previous comments

[crimson dragon]

It gave birth to khorne

[barren ether]

It gave birth to Chaos correct

[vocal drum]

so wait b4 they got their metal bodies, were necrons always evil and wanted to take over?

[crimson dragon]

No

[cyan oxide]

then towards the end of the war in heaven the necrons turned on the c'tan

[barren ether]

However the warp is weird and technically the gods of Chaos ALWAYS existed

[wispy marlin]

Necrons wanted their bodies to be healthy

[crimson dragon]

They just wanted to not live in their shitty planet

And have access to immortality like the old ones

[cyan oxide]

necrons just didnt want to have genetic cancer

[vocal drum]

how did they look before they were given metal bodies? did they look humanoid like humans?

2 eyes 2 legs?

[crimson dragon]

They wanted to be modified i guess but old ones said no

[barren ether]

Yes they were humanoid

[vocal drum]

variation of skin/black/white etc?

[wispy marlin]

Even when they colonized space, their DNA was fucked enough that they always get megacancer

[cyan oxide]

think of how they look as robots but with grey skin

[crimson dragon]

Theyre humanoid

[vocal drum]

why would they wanan go back to humanoid SELFS tho they are pretty much immortal and perfect counter to tyranids

[cyan oxide]

thats how i think of them

[crimson dragon]

They just want the tech to modify their cancer ridden dna from the old ones

[vocal drum]

tyranids CANNOT absorb them

[kind parrot]

If they have always existed who were they primary target before human suffering? That they are getting their powers from their key negative attributes and what about slanessh wasn't he/she created from Eldars?

[cyan oxide]

no soul they want their souls back

[wispy marlin]

Because having no soul sucks

[vocal drum]

whats the downside of that? they dont feel no joy or something?

[cyan oxide]

and as robots they cannot expand their empire as their population is fixed and can only go down

[vocal drum]

o

[barren ether]

Again it’s all so fucking convoluted. Yes the Eldar created Slaaanesh, but once they were born, that meant that Slaanesh had ALWAYS existed

[cyan oxide]

also mental disorders due to immortality

[wispy marlin]

And War in Heaven was so bonkers, the Horus Heresy was a small Neighbor conflict compared to it

[celest dome]

Who care about being the counter to something if you can't even enjoy life

[cyan oxide]

destroyers and flayers are mentally ill necrons

[vocal drum]

so even in their human form are they still quite strong?

[cyan oxide]

ehhh

[celest dome]

Not known

[barren ether]

Humans are fed on the most for their souls because we are the most numerous, and the most influential race in the galaxy

[celest dome]

Their tech is great so they aren't weak on that side

[rustic spruce]

Why did some necrons cut their legs off and strap themselves to a tank

[clever steppe]

Necrons were created for a war that they won like a billion years ago

[celest dome]

But their original bodies were not great I suppose

[clever steppe]

They want to retire

[barren ether]

Also because humans need to be the narrative focus in 40k as they are the most relatable, and the lore has built out from them

[crimson dragon]

Its basically like this

[cyan oxide]

necrons are complete masters of the material realm in terms of tech

[crimson dragon]

Chaos existed

But they couldnt influence a specific time

Like sau

Say

Before war of heaven

[wispy marlin]

Necrons are also capable of using anti warp stuff

[crimson dragon]

Or slaanesh couldnt do shit before their birth

[clever steppe]

Yea that’s the other thing

[barren ether]

Blackstone is anathema to the warp

[vocal drum]

i thought that happened after the warp was like crazy after that war in the heaven, after all the souls were send there

[crimson dragon]

Its like

[barren ether]

As it is inherently tied to reality

Our reality

[clever steppe]

Necrons are us when we’ve 100% a game

[sudden dove]

so now that we are taking out daemonhosts. can we be considered stronger than before? given before that our biggest feats were taking down plague ogryns and beasts of nurgle.

[crimson dragon]

So like warp is basically Schrodinger's cat

[clever steppe]

They already have everything

They’ve done everything

[crimson dragon]

It died and didnt die

[clever steppe]

They’re bored

[crimson dragon]

Chaos didnt exist and existed at the same time

[kind parrot]

Hard to grasp the non linear time in warp this maybe this is why i am confused a little bit 😄

[barren ether]

The Necrons use technology according to the laws of reality. That is why the Necrons are the perfect counter to the Warp. Because they are the literal opposite of it.

Nothing the Necrons use is tied to the Warp. At all.

[crimson dragon]

Necrons never used that magic shit

[barren ether]

Their gods are gods of REALITY

[crimson dragon]

But they wanted that magic shit

[wispy marlin]

Necron tech is capable off closing the Eye of Terror

[barren ether]

If a shard is destroyed then reality unravels

[barren ether]

Correct

[crimson dragon]

But

The pylons got bumfucked

[vocal drum]

and yet theyre still sleeping and underground depressed fighting eachother all that good technology

[barren ether]

They rarely if ever fight eachother

[wispy marlin]

Well Necron lords can be quite petty

[crimson dragon]

For some reason I want a happy ending for the necrons

[barren ether]

At least in current lore

Back 60 million ago? Definitely

[vocal drum]

in their robot form tho can they actually talk to humans and other races?

[wispy marlin]

yes

[barren ether]

Yes of course

[crimson dragon]

Ye

[vocal drum]

are they punctual

oh wow

[barren ether]

Yes

[crimson dragon]

Trazyn can communicate

With humans

[barren ether]

They can speak any race fluently

[wispy marlin]

Trazyn for example talked to Archmagos Belsarius Cawl

[crimson dragon]

Since he never went sleep

[barren ether]

That funny guy trayzn

[rustic spruce]

That wacky trazyn

[wispy marlin]

to teach him some good stuff^^

[crimson dragon]

He taught the humans how to use the pylons of cadia

[wispy marlin]

and nearly closed the Eye of Terror

[vocal drum]

too bad humans and necrons can't ally and help eachother

[crimson dragon]

Before they could close the warp

Failbaddon crashed a black fortress

Into cadia

[naive oyster]

Trazyn is the Pokemon Master of 40k

[storm jungle]

He didnt teach them anything

he just helped Cawl activate them

[kind parrot]

what is their goal for the necrons?

[dusk patrol]

He just activated them

[crimson dragon]

Oh ok

[storm jungle]

They all got their own goals

they are seperated into their own dynasties

its mostly for homebrew

[dusk patrol]

He also charged the shield around Cadia

[vocal drum]

to take back the milky way isnt it?

thats what they want?

[storm jungle]

Eh kinda

[clever steppe]

Their goals are beyond your understanding

[naive oyster]

Depends on which Dynasty.

The Silent King wants to get them all together to fight the Tyrranids in particular

[dusk patrol]

Its not one goal for one

The Silent King's goal is kinda unclear

[rustic spruce]

Orikan’s goal is to go sicko mode

[storm jungle]

yeah all necron overlords got their own goals since they are more or os just egyptian nobility

[vocal drum]

see thats why theres in fighting no? too many necrons with too many diff goals

[clever steppe]

Be sad

[kind parrot]

Probably how would we say I am space marine fan did not read their books

[dusk patrol]

And he's trying to wrangle everyone else's goals into helping him

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

if necrons were a single entity they'd kill everyone

[dusk patrol]

Like he gives Szeras what he wants to get his help for other things.

[kind parrot]

are they trying to help chaos or fight against it?

[dusk patrol]

Its a big political thingy

[crimson dragon]

Similar to humans

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Fight it

[clever steppe]

No i was saying a meme phrase

[storm jungle]

necrons got no reason to trust chaos lmao

[crimson dragon]

But humans gave that country shenanigans 30 millenias ago

[wispy marlin]

Necron Tech is quite anti warp, so not helping Chaos

[storm jungle]

its like helping a forest fire

[dusk patrol]

Right now they're setting up the Pariah Nexus and taking over all the worlds in it.

[crimson dragon]

Up

[naive oyster]

The Dynasty guarding the Celestial Orrery want to keep it away from everyone else.

[vocal drum]

why dont necros like warp?

[rustic spruce]

How fast are necron’s inertialess drives

[storm jungle]

Yeah the primary goal atm is to make the galaxy warp-proof

[storm jungle]

Demons

chaos

[kind parrot]

could someone recommend a good book for them?

[storm jungle]

etc

[storm jungle]

You are in luck!

Necrons got like 4 books

all of them are great tho

[wispy marlin]

Infinite and Divine

[naive oyster]

That is a great book

[vocal drum]

could humans before the dark age fight necrons easily?

like b4 they crashed?

[wispy marlin]

I wouldn't say easily

[rustic spruce]

Which book did trazyn prank orikan with a genestealer

[wispy marlin]

But DAOT Human technology was also insane as hell

[kind parrot]

arent necrons immmortal or similiar to it 😄

[naive oyster]

Necrons during the War in Heaven fought the peak of the Old Ones and the Eldar Empire sooo

[vocal drum]

yeah i watched a video on that

they killed gods

so insane of a species

[wispy marlin]

DAOT Humans had black hole weapons, time dilation wqeapons etc. The really good stuff

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[clever steppe]

What if the one dudes krorks escaped captivity would they pretend to be gork and mork to make the orks unify?

[vocal drum]

can humans return to that level or are we doomed?

[storm jungle]

They cant

[kind parrot]

in other words if you active their shrines not even the full force of the emperor would could have stopped it ? in 30k

[storm jungle]

humanity is fucked more or less

[vocal drum]

lame

[wispy marlin]

WEll not with how the mechanic runs now

[storm jungle]

A big point of 40k is humanity being its own worst enemy

they will never get their glory days back

[rustic spruce]

Just take the aeonic orb and push it somewhere else

[storm jungle]

The admech run the same as before

[naive oyster]

They get bits and pieces of it back... but... the Adeptus Mechanicus don't like sharing often

[storm jungle]

the golden age is never coming back

[wispy marlin]

G Man right now tries to unfuck the Imperium but this will take time

[vocal drum]

golden age humans strong enough to fight tyranids?

[naive oyster]

Or you know the STC gets stolen by the Dark Eldar 😄

[rustic spruce]

We going past gold straight into the diamond age

[vocal drum]

lmaoo

[storm jungle]

Guilliman cannot unfuck anything, thats kind of the point. The Imperium is too much of a mess to poke with the boss-stick

[clever steppe]

Thas not tru if the emperor dies we may lose terra but post that he’ll be back and Ready to make humanity stronk

[storm jungle]

not really

[wispy marlin]

Well he can. But not in the timeline of a few hundred years

[storm jungle]

thats never been confirmed

Also the Emperor cant just wave his hands and make humanity okay again

[naive oyster]

Emperor returns the IoM instantly launches into a civil war of believers and non-believers.

[storm jungle]

^

[wispy marlin]

Don't forget that one of the Ark Mechanicus might have a fully functioning STC on board without anyone knowing it

[storm jungle]

STCs are anywhere the plot requires them to be so eh

they are on-hand mcguffins

[naive oyster]

The Speranza

[kind parrot]

the magos could be executed... 🙂 he was running away from Mars he lost his production facilities if he return empty handed he might be hated...

[clever steppe]

Sure he can that’s how he did it the first time

[storm jungle]

No?

[rustic spruce]

Will cipher ever deliver that sword of his

[naive oyster]

True he was

[wispy marlin]

Well there are now the Leagues of Votann existing now, and they have full STCs

[vocal drum]

kinda depressing that humanity is just hanging on to scraps lol

[storm jungle]

Not until the plot requires it

[storm jungle]

Again yeah kinda the point

[clever steppe]

He went “imma make the thunder warriors to make terra great again”

[storm jungle]

yeah uh how did that go

[clever steppe]

Then taught humanity how to not suck

[storm jungle]

no he didnt

LMAO

He literally killed billions on terra alone

[wispy marlin]

Well story was even more depressing before Failbaddons 13th black crusade because nothing ever happened that brought the story forward

[vocal drum]

dumb question if u die in the 40k universe does your soul go to the warp/that place of loudness? and do you still have ur conconciousness?

[kind parrot]

spoiler: ||since it fails to bring back the weapon or the expodition i don't think he is going to be promoted||

[clever steppe]

That’s heretical lies he liberated them

[storm jungle]

[naive oyster]

The Emperor is quite the hypocrite.

[storm jungle]

Yeah you do

[wispy marlin]

and a shit father

[storm jungle]

you either have your soul devouered or peacefully dissipate

and spoilers uh

the Emperor does not protect your soul

[clever steppe]

Isn’t that how the angels usually are

[wispy marlin]

he ahs other stuff to do, like setting nurgles garden on fire

[vocal drum]

you either have your soul devouered or peacefully dissipate
so you can live peacefully in the warp or a demon eats it? what happens once ur souls are eaten do you go somewhere else?

[clever steppe]

They just sit in the warp till someone prays

[storm jungle]

No you cant

[naive oyster]

Yup yup, it would be interesting to see how they explain that 😄

[storm jungle]

i meant have your soul disappear and become nothingness

the afterlife in 40k isnt great

[wispy marlin]

better than have Slaneesh getting a claim on your soul

[vocal drum]

the warp is a shitty heaven tbh lol

[dusk patrol]

We don't know what happens when people die in 40k tbh, all sources on it are biased as hell. Its definitely not like, clear.

[storm jungle]

Its not heaven so yeah

[storm jungle]

Nah all are pretty clear

its literally either

eaten by chaos deities

[kind parrot]

I don't think Graham will continue it since the ending is enough grim for it and he is working for Riot Games

[storm jungle]

flickers out

[celest dome]

Being alive suck

[wispy marlin]

it may have been heaven but its so fucked right now it turned into hell

[celest dome]

Being Dead suck even more

[vocal drum]

after the heaven war?

[naive oyster]

Yeah, it was more in jest, imagine being a magos having to explain to the Forge World you lost all these resources...

[clever steppe]

According to the blu people the warp is fake news

[vocal drum]

stupid necrons messed everything up

[storm jungle]

it was more the Old Ones fault

[rustic spruce]

If 40k ever hits the mainstream it’s gonna be revealed that everything was a part of Big E’s master plan to make humanity super awesomest beacons of goodness

[kind parrot]

You will be shipped as a servitor to Tertium 😄

[vocal drum]

wait could the old ones just actually helped the necrons?

[kind parrot]

or the heretics things he left to endure ...

[storm jungle]

No

they could have but didnt

[wispy marlin]

Not so fast. First we need more primarchs to unfuck the Imperium

[storm jungle]

thats why the necrons got super salty

[vocal drum]

oh so fk da old ones then lol

[clever steppe]

They’d have to prove that the tau aren’t altruistic in the slightest

[kind parrot]

The problem with W40K is that it is not PC( political correct) and hence no one will touch it

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necron

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[rustic spruce]

Jokaero are the paragons of virtue

[vocal drum]

ordered this book off amazon, https://www.amazon.ca/Infinite-Divine-Warhammer-40-000-ebook/dp/B08J7DJCSJ

[wispy marlin]

T'au once were intended to be the "good guys" in this setting but enough people complained that there should be no good guys because grimdark

[dusk patrol]

They never were

[clever steppe]

A lot of the cyberpunk genre isn’t either but that became semi mainstream

[dusk patrol]

Like, their original codex still has them with major sinister undertones

[crimson dragon]

I just want humanity to win

Because human > xenos

[dusk patrol]

Its some recent idea of the fanbase that the Tau were ever somehow "good guys"

They're a bit better than some factions

[rustic spruce]

Cyberpunk made into the mainstream because of the aesthetic

[dusk patrol]

But they were never ever good guys

And they weren't "made more evil"

[crimson dragon]

The good guys are humans because im human

[vocal drum]

humans have to deal with necrons/tyranids and their dying people

[storm jungle]

Not really

[vocal drum]

i dont think we can win

[dusk patrol]

They've always been the sinister undetones with a nice glossy exterior.

[clever steppe]

The good guys are the machine gods

[storm jungle]

40k is not popular because its some underground miniature game

has nothing to do with politics

[crimson dragon]

Would be popular if we get films

[celest dome]

And people gatekeep it way to much

[crimson dragon]

Of the fucking thing

[stuck kindle]

40k is awesome