40k-lore-chat

[normal stream]

It's like trying to torture a toaster

[toxic hedge]

believable

[normal stream]

(shout out to anyone who gets the reference)

Believable.

[toxic hedge]

so far we're just fighting all the scrubs

[normal stream]

The traitor guard you fight are a challenge for a reason!

[vocal drum]

yeah i asked that question earlier i was like how come we dont see space marines or how come we dont fight with them lol

turns out were nobodies lol

[toxic hedge]

literally any other faction showing up would toast darktide rejects

[vocal drum]

were that weak?

[crisp heath]

nurglings being tiny great unclean ones is so great, but I'm sad we dont see those little buggers laughing about in the walls or running through the piping, doing their signature Salacious Crumb™️ laugh

[normal stream]

Yes

[toxic hedge]

yeah eldar, necron, tyranid are beyond our paygrade

even 1 of them can mess us up

[crisp heath]

in DarkTide I meant to add

[toxic hedge]

maybe we can deal with low tier ork and chaos stuff

[crisp heath]

think of daemonhosts as accursed cultists

[normal stream]

Ok the beast of nurgle is the exception to the rule since it shows up so early Lolol

And you certainly should not survive touching it, or being swallowed by it

[onyx sail]

agreed

[vocal drum]

can a space marine kil a beast of nurgle easily?

[crisp heath]

the beast of nurgle is insane, fighting it is definitely not lore appropriate as they're very strong

[toxic hedge]

yea space marine should be able to kill beast of nurgle easy

[crisp heath]

not just one though

[normal stream]

They would struggle 1v1 too I think

[crisp heath]

a space marine would need a kill team

[toxic hedge]

beast of nurgle is slow af, one decent spesh marine can just kite with his OP bolter

[crisp heath]

think of it as a small 6 man kill team of primaris, they might lose 1, maybe 2 if unlucky, but that many should kill 1 beast of nurgle

[crisp heath]

god their old stats

they were ass units

[normal stream]

Yeah haha

T6 W7 with 5+/4+ is gonna be hard as fuck for one SM to solo

[crisp heath]

D6 attacks proceeds to roll a 1

:)

[normal stream]

I actually think in melee itd win 1v1

[vocal drum]

off topic as a new person to this series i wanan fight other god cults too like slaneesh and the blood ones now that ive seen nurgul's

[crisp heath]

does the beast of nurgle even have range in the 40k TT rules?

oh god they had 5 wounds and a 6+ save?

6" movement though, but now they're slower than a space marine with 5"

[normal stream]

All daemons had 5+ or 6+

[ruby sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciL7OKWSu10

[normal stream]

I thibk exceptions were if they had brass armor of khorne

[crisp heath]

I forgot how ass they were, I mean nurgle daemons even now are still ass because they decided to make daemons of tzeentch flamers still fucking disgusting

"lemme just kill a 15 wound tank with 2 squads of flamers"

[ruby sparrow]

yep

its pretty accurate

[crisp heath]

we all love Ogryns

[onyx sail]

are they related to space marines in a surgery sense?

[elder tide]

Their guns have too much ammo in a clip and fire too quickly

[crisp heath]

no

they are abhumans

[elder tide]

Nope. They are a mutation of a human gene pool that was isolated for way too long

[crisp heath]

meaning they are just ogres in space lol

[arctic talon]

Pretty close to accurate

They’re smarter the the average ogryn

[onyx sail]

okat lol

[arctic talon]

By a good bit

But the way they act is absolutely in line

[round cedar]

i missed all of the above. so y'all found lore concerning a daemon or something?

[crisp heath]

something of sort

a name

but that's about it

maybe a special daemon, a plague marine, dont know, will have to wait

[round cedar]

whats the name?

[crisp heath]

They’re 4th grade level smart instead of 1st grade level smart

[ruby sparrow]

Kid named Gu N Aa Gh Gh Y Rh Aa N

[round cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

the daemon when it learns not to write its true name on walls

[ruby sparrow]

Here

Here

[arctic talon]

Gunaaghghyrhan

[heavy talon]

Do you guys think a Khornate faction would be appropriate as an enemy group or are they a bit too elite for the hordes we mow down?

[arctic talon]

Is an absolute

Abomination of a name

[ruby sparrow]

Thing is its a phonetic thing

[crisp heath]

It’d be kind of Khorny

[arctic talon]

I’m assuming so

[ruby sparrow]

Not likely the literal neme

[ruby sparrow]

For example D Ii Aa tz H Tz O Tz H ii F Aa L S ii ii M Ph ii rh O rh looks like a mess but phoneticly it roughly says "Death to the false emperor"

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[ruby sparrow]

Who the hell is Kid named GuNAaGhGhYRhAaN

He could be anyone. He could even be one of us....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciL7OKWSu10 he could be you. He could be me. He could even be...

[devout oxide]

yes.

[bleak wing]

Okay guys

Hear me out

Death Guard boss encounters

[toxic hedge]

severely weakened one maybe

without 2 arms and a leg

[normal stream]

Would technically be easier to kill than a beast of nurgle if he doesn't have a ranged weapon

[crisp heath]

just a plague marine with nothing

[bleak wing]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

[crisp heath]

but fists

[normal stream]

Or with a chainsword?

[vocal drum]

well we can escape the tyranid and make the warp our home

[crisp heath]

I dont think they even use chainswords anymore

they use plague knives

that cause space tetanus

[normal stream]

Oh yeah, true.

[crisp heath]

I want a power fist so badly in darktide though

[normal stream]

They always had plague knives in 3rd Ed too

[vocal drum]

can we make the warp our home?

[normal stream]

And plague grenades which were their victims skulls

[crisp heath]

yup

[normal stream]

I do wonder what happens when nids shadow in the warp meets the warpstorm

[crisp heath]

if you praise the chaos gods, yes

[vocal drum]

i only like two

[crisp heath]

I'm pretty sure they can just pass through normally

uneffected

[normal stream]

But does SitW abate the warpstorm?

[crisp heath]

then you're good

devote to one or both

[crisp heath]

not that I know of, they can reduce psychic presence with the ability when they're there, but warpstorms are massive

think of it like a gellar field I suppose

[normal stream]

What if you had a sufficiently large hive fleet?

[crisp heath]

I suppose so

if the hive fleet is big enough

[normal stream]

My mind is perpetually full of these XKCD type "what if?" questions of the 40k universe

(it's a great book)

[crisp heath]

I like how Tyranids rapidly ignore Tomb Worlds

and do all they can to never wake one up

ya know

I just realized

for Trazyn to have a thunder warrior

he awoken way before any other necron tomb world ever has

[devout oxide]

He has krorks so pretty much ya lol

[crisp heath]

he even has a lunar wolves helmet

[devout oxide]

He’s been awake a long time

[crisp heath]

dang

Trazyn been busy

he has a swarmlord

and now a perfect copy of loyalist Fulgrim lol

also Creed, cant forget Creed

[normal stream]

I still wanna know how creeds daughter has his great coat

Did she get the one that was at the dry cleaners?

[devout oxide]

Aside from the ones that never went to sleep he’s essentially the one who has been awake the longest and hasn’t become completely insane lol

[crisp heath]

she got it recreated lol

or

even better

it was a Christmas gift from Trazyn

I still firmly believe Trazyn gave it as a Christmas gift

[normal stream]

"hey I know cadia going boom sucked for you, but here's your dad's great coat. Ps I have him in my collection"

[crisp heath]

lmfao

Trazyn also has Mariah Carey, and he releases her every November 1st, and returns her to the tesseract vault every January 1st

[normal stream]

He should've gone and got tswift instead

If he wanted to throw humanity into pandemonium

[crisp heath]

lmfao

I love Trazyn

I miss 1d4chan Trazyns collection

where he has 1 of every geneseed from every space marine legion that existed

even the 2 dead ones

[normal stream]

😂

[crisp heath]

he has 1 of every single one of their complete power armor sets too

and some of the goofier ones

he has all the 1st gen pokemon cards in mint condition

oh, he has belisarius cawls toaster

he has roboute guillimans pillow from being asleep

he has the entire collection of the Battlefleet Gothic: Armada II games

he has the original box of Gorkamorka

he has a squat, the original squat, and he has a zoat

old one eye's lost eye

[normal stream]

LOL

[crisp heath]

cant forget he casually has saint celestine

he has a sanguinor, a lock of the emperor's hair, Magnus's favorite eye apparently

[scenic sun]

he also has Ciaphas Cain, hero of the imperium's dirty uniform

too

[normal stream]

Does he also happen to have all the souls of the rubric marines

[scenic sun]

maybe

[normal stream]

And a copy of all of the Gods of Order?

[crisp heath]

he has a signed autograph of every primarch EXCEPT Ferrus Manus, Horus, Sanguinius, and Konrad Curze, and he begs Orikan to go back in time to get them

each chaos gods autograph as well

[scenic sun]

he has Nubby and Twitch from the All Guardsmen Party!

[crisp heath]

an entire circus with only harlequins

an entire avatar of khaine

[normal stream]

One of each C'tan's shard?

[crisp heath]

he has a daughter of khaine and a khorne berserker with hemophobia

side by side

possibly that too

oh my god, Slaanesh's entire "magazine" collection

one of Ferrus Manus's hands

a calm and rational world eater, and a clean and healthy death guard

an emperor's children with restraint

and he used to have a live and well thousand sons, but Magnus the Red traded him a rather cool looking deck of cards for it

and a night lords thats friendly to everyone, but Magnus also traded said really cool deck of cards for it

an atheist word bearers

kharne the betrayer

a cure for red thirst

the cure for wulfen as well

100% reliable information from the alpha legion

god it keeps going

a 1st edition codex astartes signed by guilliman himself, 1 type of every imperial assassin

oh, and a lucky lamenter marine

and many, many more

[normal stream]

A death guard that just showered 😆

I'm dying of laughter reading this, thanks @crisp heath

[crisp heath]

you're welcome, there's a lot more but I cant fit it on

I love 1d4chan

[normal stream]

hahahahah

[ruby sparrow]

Anyways im startinf a small discord for working together to get pics of runes and stuff and translate them

[vocal drum]

are there any planets inside the warp?

[full bane]

Kind of?

There are points where the warp overlaps with reality.

And there are worlds engulfed/embedded in these Warp Storms or even drawn into the warp proper.

But it's a toss up on whether those worlds are in a point where the distinction between realspace and the warp has ceased to matter or if they're actually in the realm of the warp. Depends on author.

There's also stuff in the Webway, which may or may not count depending on how liberal you are with the idea of "in the warp".

[crisp heath]

for those who like hammer and bolter and lore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UULYf6-jFWs&list=PL-vCMNyR76lgnZTI7hUdA-h28U9V8xute&index=13&ab_channel=Counterpoints30K

this episode is my favorite

I recommend giving it a watch

and if you have any questions

I'm willing to answer

[round cedar]

my zealot just said 'Many doubt they exist, but I think the Grey Knights watch Atoma with interest.'

when Grendyl gets a word of this i's so getting the medicae treatment

[celest dome]

GK aren't as secret as they once were

[crisp heath]

oh no

if the Grey Knights find interest

it usually means greater daemons are there

or the Death Guard

[celest dome]

though most don't really know the difference between SM and GK

[round cedar]

yea the world is fucked then, especially with deamonhosts and beasts roaming about, along with the name of a scary daemon written on the walls

[round cedar]

did not know this

[crisp heath]

Grey Knights are psychic space marines

they are immune to the effects of daemons

[round cedar]

back in my day grey knights were so secretive they killed all who saw them

i know what they are

didnt know they were more common knowledge now

[crisp heath]

and can battle with them without the power of chaotic warp fuckery destroying them

Grey Knights are made from the shard of Magnus's honor by Malcador, or well, once was made by the shard of Magnus, but idk how they're created now

Magnus was the most powerful psychically enhanced primarch, and imo, the strongest psyker besides big E

[celest dome]

A lot of Daemon Incursion are fought against without any GK involvement

Futhermore we are part of the Hereticus Ordo

Who don't use the GK

[crisp heath]

Grey Knights are psychically powerful, but only interfere if the daemon invasion is of upmost priority

[round cedar]

also a lot of talk abiout how another hive city got completely wrecked by chaos cultists, my bet is there is a greater daemon there

[crisp heath]

even in the Grey Knights game, they didnt want to interfere with the Bloom because they felt the Khorne daemon invasions were more important

[astral whale]

I mean they don’t need to be a secret to the average civilian.
They can be explained away as being another astartes chapter.

[crisp heath]

so it shows GK dont like to interfere unless it's REALLY important, even if they dont see the importance straight away like in the game with the bloom

[celest dome]

Sure, but before witnessing the GK was a death sentence

[crisp heath]

but if GK take interest, usually it means something bad

or something important is on the world

[round cedar]

you know what i need?

a necromunda style moving train level

would be insanely cool for darktide

[crisp heath]

speaking of Necromunda, I wanna make a GSC "gang" list

so I can play Necromunda

[round cedar]

get on hijacked train, retake it from heretics

[celest dome]

Or a map where we fight on tracks and have to dodge trains

[round cedar]

that too

but train borading would be so epic

the train would move between indoor areas and the outdoor desert

[crisp heath]

once the main game is finished, I'm really wanting GSC, I keep seeing Nurgle stuff is all these upcoming games

[round cedar]

they and nurgle dont play together

[crisp heath]

I wanna go to a hive city and fight genestealers

a different hive city

[round cedar]

i instead want dark mechanicus units everywhere, especially with Vashtor

they wont make a whole new faction who wont be able to fight with or reuse any assets of the current ones

too much effort for reward unfortunately

[crisp heath]

yeah

sadly..

which is why I'm gonna be a brood brothers veteran

[round cedar]

but taking down heretek priests, fighting dark skitarii, servitors, and whatever other tech horros alongside nurgle cultists is realistic and would be quite epic

[crisp heath]

I'll make my dude as close as a brood brothers as possible

ignore that I'm working with the inquisition, they'll never know

after all, they're too worried about the chaos threat to realize >:)

[full bane]

It's mainly post-Cicatrix Maledictum. An open daemonic invasion or Terra, the massive galaxy spanning warp rift, and spike in daemonic threats have made them more of an open secret and they don't purge witnesses anymore.

Now it's mainly higher authorities and the Terran populace who are vaguely aware of the anti-daemon strike force. Your average citizen is still not going to know jack and they'll still purge vectors of corruption after a cleanse, but they're not killing off guard regiments who weren't near the sight and only saw them deploy.

[short steeple]

Yeah I was wondering about that too

Openly killing daemons, talking about them, not knowing what the cicatrix maledictum is

[atomic lodge]

Yeah I feel like there’s no way that something like the cicatrix maledictum’s existence (and by extension, the warp and its residents) wouldn’t be common knowledge by now, which does a bit to nullify the need for the GK’s utter secrecy

It’s just such a huge logistical issue, anyone remotely involved in space travel would be aware of it

And with the conscription being a thing, there’s a lot of people traveling in space

[scenic sun]

GK secrecy still makes sense, better to let the enemy approach you thinking they are invulnerable only to reveal a hard counter the last second

[atomic lodge]

Oh yeah, in general it’s still a solid tactical choice

I just mean in the sense of “purging entire regiments because they saw the top of a drop pod is no longer useful”

[scenic sun]

Oh no that no longer happens I belive

Hiding what daemons are is hard rn

[crisp heath]

Eager enabled

[carmine maple]

Think it also depends on local imperial government

Some guys may still execute over it even past all logical sense

[crisp heath]

Why do people think our player characters couldn’t kill a space marine, we have the weapons and ogryns and psykers

[rose thorn]

You don’t have, plot armor, also lore wise a space marine is pretty hard to kill, let alone a plague marine

[crisp heath]

Our characters wouldn’t just be elites, they’d probably be low level MEQs

Plus we’re armed with things that would easily oneshot a standard space marine

Namely being the plasma gun

[rose thorn]

No?

[celest dome]

The Sm could be killed, but it's the same level of threat as a Plague Ogryn, so Monster at least

[rose thorn]

If you over charge the plasma gun you could but I don’t think players want to risk instantly dying

[crisp heath]

Huh? You wouldn’t need to overcharge the plasma gun at all

Just the standard firing has a very good chance of killing one in lore, on the tabletop tho yea you’d need to overcharge or just double tap

Hell, two guardsmen an ogryn and a psyker could do it

[crimson dragon]

If you're an extreme wehraboo or prussiaboo, mordian iron guard is 1860 Prussia

[crisp heath]

Two plasma guns, ogryns with a grenade gauntlet or slab shield, psyker doing psyker things for debuffs

What’s a wehraboo

[crimson dragon]

German ww2 aesthetic lover

[crisp heath]

Weird pick for aesthetics

Even the French looked cooler

Ww1 Germany in the Middle East looked chad tho

[crimson dragon]

I like the german ww1 aesthetic better

[crisp heath]

My bad, I think that was the ottomans

[crimson dragon]

And prussia 1860

[crisp heath]

Mark your personal profile theme is in discord light mode

Could you fix that

[crimson dragon]

No

[crisp heath]

[crimson dragon]

I did this on purpose

Anyways i think fatshark should add Mordian Iron Guards and Death korps of krieg cosmetic

[plush mason]

those are almost a given

[crimson dragon]

Also we need triplex pattern lasgun and longlas

We already have the vraks autoguns

Where the burst lasgun

[plush mason]

honestly sniper rifles in horde shooters are always a let down

[crimson dragon]

Well i want my triplex even without a longlas

Since we have the vraks pattern

Which is a burst autogun

[wicked kayak]

Is the Valkyrie used for extraction just a standard pattern or is it a Vendetta Gunship?

[crimson dragon]

Vandetta is a heavy gunship variant of the valkyrie

Used mostly by elysian drop troops and tempestus scions

[wicked kayak]

Vendetta Gunship *Variant

I meant

But ty

[crimson dragon]

Valkyrie is the base

[wicked kayak]

Ye

[plush mason]

i think the one in game is just the base valk

as it doesnt seem to be as armed as the vendetta looks to be

[crimson dragon]

Im pretty sure mostly elysians and tempestus scions use them

Maybe kasrkins

Anything that has to do with airborne

[main totem]

Don't the Elysians use their own planet varient of the valk?

[main totem]

Never mind I fact checked myself your correct with this statement

[crimson dragon]

I mean the variant planets make tend to depend on the stcs they have.

Im gonna assume elysia owns an stc of the vandetta

[storm jungle]

The Darkide player characters are more or so custom Dark Heresy characters you'd make for a session.

which boils down to

can decimate entire armies

but can also die to the dumbest shit

which is fitting tbh

[plush mason]

ye

[crimson dragon]

I noticed that the reason why atoma prime pdf lee man russ tank losses is high is because their tanks are mostly punishers i noticed

Even with a way stronger steel

Or metals

Its gonna be shit if it cant fight back against the enemy tanks

Or penetrate them

[plush mason]

do the 6th even have tanks?

[crimson dragon]

They probably have a tank company

Since the regiment is just the 6th i dont think so

[plush mason]

and like. with the demolishers that are guarding that bridge in that one mission what exactly are they suppose to do? level the bridge if the enemy attacks

[crimson dragon]

They probably have lascannons

[crimson dragon]

Its punishers

[plush mason]

dont punishers have a gatling cannon or something?

[crimson dragon]

Yea

[plush mason]

yeah all the ones i have seen have the demolisher cannon

[crimson dragon]

Oh nvm then

Im pretty sure I saw a punisher

[plush mason]

maybe

[crimson dragon]

But a demolisher is still shit

When you're fighting a lascannon

Which has a longer range

On one of the dialogue

On darktide

[plush mason]

i just know they have demolishers guarding the bride in that one assassination mission which seems, extreme

[crimson dragon]

The techpriest said

They need the manufactorum to keep running

Cause they have a 70% casualty rate for their battle tanks

Since moebian 6th seems to just be an infantry regiment

Im gonna assume they keep getting destroyed by at infantry and lascannons or something

The loss rates are probably most likely the crewmates turning into poxwalkers as well allowing the moebian 6th to steal them.

I highly doubt that they can use it though, since they werent trained to use them

[ruby sparrow]

People seem to be mistaking this shitpost for an actual lore proposal

As in im being yelled at on reddit over it

[crisp heath]

They are demolishers unless there's 2 sets of tanks somewhere

[plush mason]

its reddit, they do that shit all the time

[ruby sparrow]

Is it likely that this guys just moebian sixth and thats the spot where the purity seal was taken off? Yes

Is it funnier to say theyre a slaaneshi spy. Also yes

[rose thorn]

There’s porbably an over all overlap in chaos worshiping there tbh, in my opinion those guys look pretty chaos undivided

[ruby sparrow]

Yesh i know

But slaaneshi spy is funnier

[rose thorn]

Lol

And doenst Slaanesh and nurgle have a pretty okay relationship

[ruby sparrow]

Pretty sure they dont

Over a certain eldar godess staying with nurgle

[rose thorn]

Lmao yeah I forgot about that

[celest dome]

It's somewhat rare for 2 cult of different gods to work together without outside influence or without the presence of the 2 other cults to balance it all

But it can happen

[ruby sparrow]

Yeah but slaaneshi spy is a funny joke

[rose thorn]

Doesn’t it kinda happen in the newer chaos gate game?

[ruby sparrow]

Anyways.

The phrase "death to the false emperor" shows up a lot

[celest dome]

That's not really Slaaneshi though

[ruby sparrow]

I know

Im changing topics

Back to lore

[rose thorn]

What sub-faction would you want to get more lore?

I want dread house khymere to get more lore

As currently their entire lore is their backstory that can eh summed up in 4 sentences

[ruby sparrow]

I want to meet the planetary government so i can introduce them to the sharp end of my eviscerator for letting this heresy happen

[celest dome]

Isn't it:
Get attacked/accused to be Chaos Worshipper
Flee in the Eye of Horror
Come Back in the past
Attack the IoM and get declared Chaos Worshiper

Then you go from last point back to the start

[rose thorn]

Yeah that’s pretty close lmao

The only other important part is that they read their imperial tarot cards (tahts what they are called fr) and Star signs which told them to go run into the eye of terror

Which honestly is fucking hilarious

Oh and they like to fire bomb people 24/7 but that’s not really lore

Also shout out to all those chaos titan fans with house vextrix, who’s lore is directly tied to them and is seen in the titanicus tabe top game

[celest dome]

To be honest, the only minor faction I'm really interested in learning more about were the Gore Mages

[rose thorn]

From the traitor guard guys??

[celest dome]

From the Blood Cult

[rose thorn]

Ah

[pallid meadow]

I found the idea funny, if a psyker had a low chance, to turn into a playable demon of tzeentch instead of exploding (with HP decay) (Tzeentch would be also hostile against Nurgle)
Would be such a mechanic lore-inaccurate?

[celest dome]

Some may be Psykers

Very inaccurate

And very Griefy

[pallid meadow]

I thought psyker turn into demons?

curse of flesh

[celest dome]

Would turn in a Chaos Spawn

[pallid meadow]

CHaos spawns are not demons?

[celest dome]

Technically not

[rose thorn]

They are just hyper mutated monsters

[celest dome]

Daemon are Neverborn

[rose thorn]

From@the warp

[pallid meadow]

well, I mean Chaos Spawns

I thought they always count as "demons"

[celest dome]

Still very bad idea

Would be used by griefer

[pallid meadow]

how?

[celest dome]

Use power to become monster

Turn on team

Wipe

Tada

Wrong channel I suppose

[carmine maple]

oops

[pallid meadow]

so, it's a 1% Chance. The HP decays - If you would make use of that, then you can just grief with sucide anyways

[celest dome]

Still much harder

And much less fun way to grief

[pallid meadow]

then turn off FF

but still, I doubt that, because who would go into like 50 games for pulling of that 1 time

[celest dome]

Then turning into a monster is pointless

[pallid meadow]

instead of blowing up, he could help a bit more

and it's fun

fun is not pointless in a game

[near ocean]

Dear lore gods

I heard a rumor that there’s hunting of a 5th chaos god coming up. Is that supported by the lore?

From, a humble pawn of the imperium

[celest dome]

There is that Daemon who is basically the Chaos Omnissiah

Basically well on his way to be a Minor God of Chaos

Or maybe he already is

Not sure

[rose thorn]

It’s so ducking cool lmao

[near ocean]

I mean, like an emperor chaos god cuz humanity isn’t really praising the emperor but this bloated vision of him

[celest dome]

Other wise there is a multitude of other minor Chaos God

[rose thorn]

He’s surrounded by smog and rust

[celest dome]

Possibly

It's unclear

[near ocean]

[rose thorn]

And his flesh wraps around metal and shit

[celest dome]

We need to blow up the Golden Throne to know that

I'm not against doing it

But Banana men over there don't let me go it

[near ocean]

What if I helped?

[celest dome]

Well I already tried and I'm banned

So I don't really care about it anymore

[near ocean]

Damn

[pallid meadow]

hm, what about Demon Princes? Aren't those humans turned into demons?

[celest dome]

They aren't Daemon

[pallid meadow]

in my army book, they are

[celest dome]

They are in their own category

[near ocean]

Thank you for answering my query. Have a wonderful day 👍

[celest dome]

Daemon Prince are uplifted and their soul/essence is replaced by Warp stuff

So they are half/half

[pallid meadow]

and demon hosts?

[celest dome]

2 Souls in 1 body

Usually unstable

So technically the Daemonhost is not a Daemon

But it contain a Daemon

[pallid meadow]

ye, but sounds for me lore accurate, that a psyker could transform in what ever way into some demon-like thing. In a demon host, Chaos Spawn, Mutant, Demon prince ^^

[celest dome]

Kinda like a Car contain a human

Doesn't make the car a human

[rose thorn]

It’s rare, it only really happens to cultists, and it requires to be gazed upon by a chaos god

Your own head popping is the most likely scenario

[pallid meadow]

in games, rare events become often the common

[rose thorn]

Worst case you rip a whole in reality

Hole*

[pallid meadow]

would be funny, to add a 0.00001%, that the whole mission/map gets ripped appart because of that xD

[celest dome]

Psyker/Human: Car with Driver (Soul) inside
Chaos Spawn: Car get wrecked (Still drive)
Daemonhost: Passenger get in car and take control and it around
Daemon Prince: Driver get replaced by new Driver
Mutant: Car get new rims and a spoiler

[rose thorn]

Random chance you can’t avoid isn’t very fun lmao

Unless that’s the gimmick of the game

[pallid meadow]

Well, I didn't say 50% chance, did I. Super rare, would be very funny imo.

[celest dome]

And a waste of Dev time if it happen so infrequently that it happen once in a blue moon

[pallid meadow]

that's the only reason, why it wouldn't be implemented, sadly

[celest dome]

And it's a good one

Like with Versus in VT2

They need to chose what will be developed carefuly

[pallid meadow]

I see that as a problem, why we rarely have very good games, because of the budget

[ruby sparrow]

Also what fucking caliber is the revolver

[celest dome]

Well we need to have sensible hope

[ruby sparrow]

Shit tears off limbs

[celest dome]

Hoping the Ogryn eventually get one too

Like the Goliath Revolver

[rose thorn]

Here’s a question, I don’t hear much about xenos religion, i can only think of those drukhari mercenaries, ynnari, the greater good I guess? But that’s more of an ideology

Orks and gork and mork

Buts that’s literally a 1-1 rip from fantasy at this point lmao

[rich sail]

40k was originally fantasy in space

[arctic talon]

Harlequins

[rose thorn]

Oh yEAHh

[arctic talon]

The greater good isn’t a god

Or rather

The tau don’t worship it as a god

It’s a way of living

[rose thorn]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[arctic talon]

Ah

[rose thorn]

I hear people refer to it as a religion but mEHhHHh

[arctic talon]

The Eldar on craftworlds arguably worship Khaine

Or rather the aspect shrines do

[rose thorn]

I heard that’s pretty iffy too

[arctic talon]

To an extent

Yeah

[rose thorn]

What were those guys called for the drukhari, incubus of Khaine or something?

[arctic talon]

Incubi don’t worship Khaine

They show reverence to him

The same way the aspect shrines do

[rose thorn]

Ahh

[arctic talon]

Which falls into the not really worship catagory

[crisp heath]

.BIG

[rich sail]

asuryan is the main god eldar worship

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah genestealer cults

But that feels like cheating

[rose thorn]

Didn’t they die in the birth of Slaanesh?

No wiat thats the guy who makes the Phoenix lords isn’t it?

[rich sail]

most eldar gods are dead

isha ynead and the clown guy are the only alive ones i think

[rose thorn]

LoV aren’t even that religious

[rose thorn]

Damn

Imperium took xenos regions, can’t have shit in 40K

[thorny shore]

Y'know, for a guy who hates religion to the point of Genocide

The Emperor (Long Live, Blessed be He) sure does like to play around with faith-based warp fuckery.

Looks at St. Celestine

[celest dome]

Aren't the Kin worshipping the Votann

[thorny shore]

Aren't the Votann ancient AIs?

[astral whale]

Better. Crippled ass ancient AI’s

[thorny shore]

Basically the AI equivalent of Stephen Hawking, right?

Fuckin smort but can't do shit as their bodies/minds wither away

[astral whale]

More like the equivalent of running Skyrim with all available mods downloaded.

[thorny shore]

shudders

I've been to the dark side of Nexus, friend. Its not a good place to remain.

[ruby sparrow]

Man those computers sound ready to explode at a moments notice

[barren tapir]

Not in the religous way, they revere them, but don't pray to them... Dunno if my words make sense...

[celest dome]

They do

Though what is worshipping

[barren tapir]

The best example of how they see them is how SM, or even the custodes, see big E

[mossy mortar]

Eldar are too haughty to ever worship properly lol

[crisp heath]

I feel like after being interred on his throne and seeing the more heroic things faith in him inspired, not to mention the belief of trillions, has all moved and altered him more towards accepting his godhood

[thorny shore]

I mean, they became so hentai-crazed they collectively gave birth to Slaanesh, and only the Necrons could close one of her holes.

[ornate umbra]

I dove head first in to 40k lore last night after asking some questions in here and... my head hurts, and I'm questioning weather humanity deserves to continue existing.

[celest sable]

what did you start with?

[ornate umbra]

a 6 hour primer on the humans of 40k

[thorny shore]

Hey, its your fault for thinking anyone were good guys in 40k

[crisp heath]

I mean compared to who though, who is so morally superior in the setting that they deserve to displace, rule over, or otherwise make humanity extinct

[ornate umbra]

Also why is Slinesh called both she who thirsts, and also genderless?

[ornate umbra]

that entire universe needs someone to hit the reset button.

[thorny shore]

Because (S)He is basically the personification of lust and desire

Which has no boundaries

Also why (S)He has the potential to become the most powerful Chaos God.

Because she has no boundaries

[ornate umbra]

I thought that'd be Khorn seeing as he gets stronger every time someone dies violently

[thorny shore]

Nurgle can only infect so much, Khorne can only cause so much war, and Tzeentch only has so much reality to change

[thorny shore]

Tell that to everything going extinct. Animals and beasts still get lusty

[ornate umbra]

fair point

[thorny shore]

Theoretically, Slaanesh has no limit on her power, which is why all three of the other Chaos Gods keep an eye on everything she does

[ornate umbra]

Any rate understand why it's called the grimm dark now.

[thorny shore]

40k started Grimdark

Its actually funny how 40k's predecessor, Warhammer Fantasy, is actually barely grimdark.

It was 40k that started it.

I'm barely a few months into 40k lore and I like it, and I also know basically everyone's fucked

[ornate umbra]

Oh so if I'm understanding this right, ogren are intentionally made stupid for some reason?

[thorny shore]

In fact, GW had to Grimdark the Tau because they weren't Grimdark enough

[ornate umbra]

they're also aparently strong enough to kill an astartis in single combat?

[thorny shore]

Based on Fantasy Ogers, all the nutrients and enhancements in their body went to muscles and nothing else

[vale chasm]

Player characters are technically in a penal battalion?

[rich sail]

we are part of the warband son

[thorny shore]

Think if Spartan 2's were made as even younger children but never educated and socially isolated with children

[ornate umbra]

that'd be absolutly terrifying

i guess, i don't know anything about halo lore either

other than masterchief is aparently god descended to earth in the form of a green plank or something

But ogren are basically doomguy only without the murderboner for demons

?

[thorny shore]

Doomguy is a regular dude that got blessed by "God"

Ogryn are actually subject to gene modification

Otherwise I would've gone with Doomguy

[solar canopy]

arent they just a mutated gene strain of humanity that ended up making them stronger but less intelligent?

modification would imply tempering

[thorny shore]

🤷‍♂️

[solar canopy]

i thought they are just naturally mutants

[native sage]

Yeah, they just evolved on more grav-intense worlds I think.

[prime tapir]

Ogryn's are stated to be natural mutants. Baseline humans adapted to harsher climates.

However, don't take 40k lore as a gospel. There was a ton of genetic modification involved in the dark age of technology colonies. During the crusades the Imperium tried to wipe most of the modded humans out, thus it'd not be politically wise to classify the ogryns as "mutants" as it'd shine a big spotlight on the hypocrisy of the emperor.

I don't think the Ogryns are natural mutations, but that's just a theory

A game theory

[solar canopy]

i mean for all intents and purposes both game and lore they are naturally occuring sub-species of humanity

[prime tapir]

The timespan just seems a bit short for these massive changes

They're as big as bears

[solar canopy]

who says Ogryns or Ogryn-like humans havent already existed in 20k?

then again evolution wise even 50k years is not much

[native sage]

Unless your a Nid

Then everyday is evolution day lol

[tall hinge]

True, but we also haven't had the opportunity to observe how different planetary atmospheres and conditions affect generational changes, and the speed at which those conditions encourage those changes.

[solar canopy]

yeah

[tall hinge]

Goldfish change size within a few generations based on the size of their enclosure, as a more local example of rapid adaptation on a terrestrial level.

[normal stream]

Are we trying to apply realistic science to 40k again?

[tall hinge]

Not objectively, just using reality as a baseline to reflect on fictional science from. All fiction is founded on some aspect of reality.

[silver quail]

I get that (chaos) space marines are badass and all but why are some people so against like, a single one being added as an assassination target? Isolated, starting their own subcults, we wouldn't need to face a squad (which indeed would probably crush us)

[solar canopy]

and 40k is very cleary based on the idea of being a future of our reality now

[storm jungle]

I mean

kinda?

Its not taking itself seriously enough for that most of the time

but it also has a pretty good message

[solar canopy]

because single one would probably still crush is easily
i wouldnt be opposed thougj

[storm jungle]

AKA don't be a racist fascist

[silver quail]

But why though. Just based on their gear?

[solar canopy]

based on what a space marine is (regardless if chaos or not)

[storm jungle]

Marines can die like anything else

they are just humanoid tanks

[solar canopy]

for all intents and purposed a space marine is a demi-god

imagine hercules

[storm jungle]

no

lmao

[silver quail]

wat

[solar canopy]

true they can die to humans aswell

[storm jungle]

Thats literally, in-universe propaganda

[solar canopy]

but there is a distinc difference

[tall hinge]

Truthfully I don't see a lone chaos space marine being out of the question, I'm not convinced they are anymore threatening than a plague ogryn, they just have a gun.

[native sage]

The word in there is tank

[rich vale]

The Lore for Space Marines is all over the place

I partially blame the guy who couldn't stop jerking off the ultramarines

[full bane]

We do have the gear to face one down by trust rank 30, but Astartes presence does kind of cheapen their presence if we kill them repeatedly over and over.

[silver quail]

See that's fair. I think they're a good possible random boss or assassination target.

[native sage]

Its the Orks

[solar canopy]

a gene-modified human being to be made to basically be a demi-god in comparison to normal human beings is more than "just a tank"

[storm jungle]

Marines are mutant humans bloated with deadly organs and brutalist weapons whos job is to protect the Imperium and die defending its grimdank principles.

they arent demigods

thats just... wank

[rich vale]

Like, an Ultramarine soloed a titan or something like that, that should've easily slaughtered it, but he just soloed it with no trouble at all

And it wasn't even a big named marine iirc

[storm jungle]

The closest thing id compare to a demigod is probably a Custodes and thats solely because custodians have been perfected by genetic-science.

Marines are dollar-store mass produced super soldiers.

[full bane]

To be fair, there's been mention that said man was asked to write "Codex: Ultramarines" and the edition change made his lore about the Ultramarines the full Space Marine lore.

[tall hinge]

And big

[native sage]

I mean, you could say the same about Squigs then. Since a Squig took down a titan

[ornate umbra]

that's kind of wanky

[rich vale]

There's also an Ultramarine who in hand to hand combat kicked a Custodes ass

[silver quail]

I am indeed reading all of this but it seems like the opinion is very split.

[rich vale]

Which, like even if you're a primarch would be really tough to do

[ornate umbra]

I only got in to 40k lore last night and I know titans are basically putting the U.S.S Iowa on legs and telling it to kill stuff.

[tall hinge]

There's a reason the Ultrasmurfs are frowned upon. Almost as hard as the Blood Ravens

[solar canopy]

i mean im not saying that there isnt other stuff in terms of power levels and such ... but comparing a standard human to a space marine and saying "its basically just a tank" is ridiculous

power levels in 40k are way more all over the place than anythign else anyways

[ornate umbra]

I like the orcs.

angry fungus people with space magic are amusing

[silver quail]

I still don't have the full picture to why they couldn't show up from time to time just based on "nah one chaos marine would destroy us because genes"... I'm still not quite getting it T_T

[rich vale]

I don't like that they're fungus, but otherwise like the Lore

I think our player characters could defeat a Chaos Marine. Just one. Like a group probably not

[solar canopy]

i wouldnt be opposed to having CSM show up tbh ... butit has to be implemented with proper gravitas

[rich vale]

Would be an interesting boss

[silver quail]

I'm okay with that.

[storm jungle]

I dont think calling someone a walking tank is really an offensive thing tbh

but Marines are what they are advertised to be

aka just mass produced super soldiers

[dusk patrol]

Custodes are the custom super cars. Marines are mass produced sports cars.

[solar canopy]

i mean Gaunts Ghosts show Guardsmen killing CSM ... and anything Dan Abnett writes is imho the msot canon it can get

[storm jungle]

BETTER thank you

[ornate umbra]

Them basically being magical angry mushrooms makes me like them more.

[dusk patrol]

Demigod is a meaningless term anyways

Just like God in 40k

[native sage]

Do you know about Krorks?

[tall hinge]

Honestly, if I had to guess I would assume that it's for the purpose of Fatshark wanting to let the game display itself as being in a slice of practically everyday life of the localized regions of the Imperium where seeing a Space Marine, chaos or not, is a micro-possibility because of their galactic rarity.

[dusk patrol]

It’s a title which can be used for a lot of things of vastly varying power levels

[ornate umbra]

Only vaugly they were the precursers to orcs right?

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know much about Krorks anyways

[silver quail]

Fair enough. Tis a shame.

[storm jungle]

Space Marines are also basically Jedi

Aka they ruin any story they show up in where its just normal humans/average joes out on an adventure or journey

[rich vale]

They were basically the Orks, but smart

[solar canopy]

i totally agree with that ... i still think "tank" is massively understating marines though ... if a marine is a tank then humans are skateboards

[storm jungle]

I mean

we are

so

🛹

[tall hinge]

Big

[storm jungle]

like

I loved the Mandalorian Season 2

then luke shows up

[dusk patrol]

Tbh it’s just writing, marines can work fine is stories and improve them

It’s just most 40k writers are shit or ok at best

[rich vale]

I like Space Marines overall as a concept. But I haven't read too many stories where the marines aren't the major focus

[ornate umbra]

Tbh space marines seem a lot like writers jerking themselves off with how cool their OC (do not steal) is.

[tall hinge]

Sad that they cancelled 1313, was looking forward to seeing a standalone story that had nothing to do with the grand Galactic war conflict.

[rich vale]

Like I haven't read much that's like, Inquisition or Guardsmen working with them

[dusk patrol]

Like Salvation’s Reach was a really great Guard book which had marines

But they’re “special” in the book

So it works

It doesn’t get boring and it gives you perspective on them

[rich vale]

I love me my Salamanders

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scratch-newt-salamander-dance-gif-14713237

[solar canopy]

i think thats because most writer ascribe a holire than thou additude to space marines when it comes to us puny humans

[ornate umbra]

Also why do humans shove people in machines instead of i don't know, using simple algorithims?

[native sage]

I want to see what actually happens if they get all Artifacts

[native sage]

AI bad

[rich vale]

Because humans in 40k, are as a whole, really stupid and backwards

[solar canopy]

tech heresy

[tall hinge]

Because heresy. It's a part of the AdMech's lore.

[rich vale]

They do use AI, just not anything advanced, because of whatever happened in the dark age that caused them to go rogue

[solar canopy]

thats how you get the AI to buttfuck humanity again ... terminator style

[tall hinge]

They do have cogitators, but AI is a big no no.

[solar canopy]

we dont do that here

[rich vale]

The guy in charge of the AdMech right now has one, and the big blue man said to stop it, but he's still doing it

[tall hinge]

That's Cawl being Cawl, and I still don't know how I feel about it.

[dusk patrol]

Humanity had a bad experience with AI in the past

[rich vale]

Because Gulliman cannot stop the weird guy with like 7 minds from doing what he wants

[dusk patrol]

So now they avoid them

[solar canopy]

just because he does it when told not to doesnt magically nto make it heresy anymore

[vocal drum]

today i learned old ones are psychic ancient frogs that created orks and some space wizards because the necrons became too strong

[rich vale]

The Admech decides what is heresy related to tech

[tall hinge]

He should have been executed by now, but he's vital to the Imperium's current efforts so they kind of let it slide.

[dusk patrol]

He’s not in charge of the Ad Mech

[ornate umbra]

But like... couldn't a simple algorithim not even an AI run the medical stations instead of cutting off all some poor saps limbs and stuffing what's left him in a box?

[dusk patrol]

Also Cawls stuff isn’t Heresy

[rich vale]

They dubbed a Tech Priest a Heretek because the Tech Priest wanted to share the Ad Mechanicus' knowledge with the rest of the Imperium

[tall hinge]

That's not a poor sap, he's honored to be serving the Emperor in death.

Have to take the dogma into account.

[rich vale]

Literally dude had no dark tendencies, or evil, just thought that the Emperor would want KNowledge to be shared

[solar canopy]

i mean its also a cost effeicieny question id wager ... what do you think is cheaper and possibly less dangerous? ... when oyu have billions upon billions of humans

[rich vale]

And was dubbed a Heretek

[ornate umbra]

still the algorithum

you don't have to keep code's meat suit working

[full bane]

My opinion on the matter is this. If an Astartes shows up in this game, it's probably going to be a Chaos Space Marine. A those guys are not only genetically modified super soldiers, but infused with the power of Chaos. A good number of them are also veterans of thousands of years of battle. They're a big deal and should at least be bosses rather than Elites, you want an encounter with them to have the proper gravitas.
If they're a boss, you also want them to be more impactful, Tertium is salvageable and most of the forces are Traitor Guard and Cultists, Chaos Marine presence is a big deal. Having them be something like a standard Assassination mission target that you run over and over might cheapen their presence (like the Grey Seer in Vermintide being bullied for loot dice).

[solar canopy]

Chaos Space Mariens are still modified

[rich vale]

We are supposed to get actual bosses at some point

[dusk patrol]

They’ve also said many many times, no Marines

[solar canopy]

its a huge thing about the whole CSM lore that they are constantly raiding loyals for geneseed

[tall hinge]

Yeah, we're gonna have to see that guy who was in the cell across from us at some point.

[native sage]

wolf boy

[rich vale]

Yeah, but if they wanted it to be a big ass surprise, they wouldn't say they were gonna do it

[naive oyster]

I suspect some of the command staff of the Moebian Sixth will be bosses

[solar canopy]

as enemies aswell? i kn ow they said so as playable characters

[rich vale]

Like, in this day and age, we have developers all the time lying about shit they want to be a surprise

[dusk patrol]

And more likely, if they wasn’t gonna be one, they’d said there wasn’t

[dusk patrol]

Yes

They have sound countless times no Death Guard, no loyalist, no marines.

[rich vale]

And also just as likely, if they wanted there to be one, they'd still say there wouldn't be

[dusk patrol]

It’s in the FAQ

[ornate umbra]

So given that the classes have two names "Aka psyker: pscokenetic" do you think they'll eventually put other types of psyker or ogren or preacher or whatever in the game?

[full bane]

If they do eventually get added, I have a feeling it'll be some seasonal boss a few years down the line.

[dusk patrol]

Dude you gotta slow down with all that copium

You’re gonna OD

[rich vale]

My dude, I don't think you should be insulting me just for having an opinion.

We're here to have a discussion

[dusk patrol]

I can insult pretty lame opinions that have been beaten to death on this forum for years

It’s old as hell

[rich vale]

Rule number one

[dusk patrol]

Next we’re gonna discuss lasgun recoil

[rich vale]

We're not supposed to be insulting each other at all

[tall hinge]

For the emperor

[rich vale]

So please, stop.

[dusk patrol]

I’m not insulting anyways

I’m stating a fact

[rich vale]

It 100% was.

[dusk patrol]

You’re free to see it that way

[tall hinge]

The copium and OD comments weren't factual, tbh

[rich vale]

Telling someone they're on copium just because they don't agree with you, is an insult.

[dusk patrol]

Regardless, I’m done with this very very overdone conversation which has been addressed by the devs many times

[solar canopy]

its most likely going to be similiar to vermintide
so Veteran is the class and sharpshooter is the sublass for example
and they gonna keep adding subclasses

[rich vale]

I don't mind if you disagree with my opinion, just don't be insulting about it.

[rich sail]

u will have to 100% make a new char for the subclass but its ok new slot will clost 5$

[rich vale]

I'm just holding off on fully believing what they've denied being in game, until release when we get to see all the stuff that's being held back.

[tall hinge]

This is what it seems to be. Psyker Psykinetic just sounds awful if it ended up being the single and sole option for that role lol

[dusk patrol]

Well it’s not a new subclass

[solar canopy]

thats what im dreading ... not so mcuh having to make a new char per sub-class but the MTX character slots

[dusk patrol]

That’s a new archetype

[tall hinge]

Getting an Ogryn Gun-Lugger would be fun.

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know how the subclass system will work

[rich vale]

Are you gonna be able to swap between Psyker types on your OG psyker, or have to make a new one?

[dusk patrol]

But considering we only have five slots

I would guess it’s just gonna be per character

And I hope it is

[solar canopy]

we dont know yet

[dusk patrol]

But that’s me probably coping

[tall hinge]

Unless they raise the character cap, yeah you'd be able to switch between them I figure.

[solar canopy]

also the lore channel might not be the best place to discuss this

[dusk patrol]

The fifth slot is likely for a fifth archetype down the road

[dusk patrol]

Also that

[tall hinge]

So caryotids are pretty neat. When we get cosmetic pets I'll be looking forward to getting one

[solar canopy]

i just want tanktrack loin cloth for ogryn baby

[dusk patrol]

I would bet money we’re getting that

Considering the Ogryn has like, three in lore looks

And that’s the main one

Definitely the most popular imo

[solar canopy]

also ... i want to get eaten by Kroot

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/victor-saltzpyre-priest-book-no-gif-24272159

[solar canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/war-hammer-fantasy-gif-19395056

anyone ever read somewhere what happens if Kroot eat Drukhari btw?

[tall hinge]

Yeah, the Skullbreaker is pretty much already the Bullgryn class so I'm definitely anticipating that set. The bane mask especially.

[dusk patrol]

I also expect the brute shield at some point

[tall hinge]

I figure the same as if they eat Aeldari, since they only take some of the physiological traits rather than the psychological.

[dusk patrol]

The Kroot wouldn’t eat any of us anyways

They eat to gain superior traits

Not a lot of superior traits in this discord

[tall hinge]

Biggest and strongest there is.

[dusk patrol]

You know I can’t actually recall an excerpt of kroot eating Ogryn

Which has to have happened

[rocky terrace]

that pet looks like heresy

[tall hinge]

I imagine they already have krootox so figured not to have bothered lol

[tulip sand]

Wont be locked to lvl 30 either

Will probably be random

[tall hinge]

It's a Necromunda bat. They literally hang out in swarms in the ventilation systems. But the hive lords hold onto them as good luck charms and blessings of good fortune when they bond with them.

Caryatid

The cooler looking cherub.

[tulip sand]

I could see it working if the astartes boss was locked to difficulty 5 but idt they would put development time into something that so few players will see

[rustic spruce]

how fast are necron infantry, cause every game seems to portray them as pretty slow.

[storm jungle]

Not very fast

[arctic talon]

Warriors and immortals are all quite slow

[storm jungle]

The lack of movement from the Warriors is usually made up by their other faster units

^

[arctic talon]

^

Wraiths, destroyers

[tall hinge]

What's a wraith?

[arctic talon]

Deathmarks can teleport

[storm jungle]

oh man

[tall hinge]

Damn, beat me to it.

[arctic talon]

Canoptek construct that can phase through walls

And goes very fast

[storm jungle]

Yeah a lot of the other necron units are usually on hover-mode so they go ZOOM

[tall hinge]

Was a joke.

[arctic talon]

Oh

[tall hinge]

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Warriors make up for their lack of speed by having the most OP infantry weaponry in the setting

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-warhammer-gauss-gif-24598584

[arctic talon]

Me when anti tank

[tall hinge]

Gauss flayers just tickle a little.

[naive oyster]

And being quite durable as well

[tulip sand]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-leaving-bye-disappointed-gif-10306281

[storm jungle]

Yeah like they can go to melee with marines which is great

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/45/Canoptek_wraith_necrons.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130319162707

It’s coming

[tulip sand]

Tf is that

[tall hinge]

Canoptek, that's when you empty a can of chili and put a couple of screws through it then mount it on your picatinny rail

[arctic talon]

A wraith

It phases through solid material

Which is really useful for repair

[tall hinge]

Is it? That almost looks like a tomb spider.

[tulip sand]

[arctic talon]

It’s also really useful for turning people into a pile of red mush

[arctic talon]

Tomb spiders are less lanky

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because wraiths got replaced from their first models

which was literally just a necron with a tail

[arctic talon]

Those are back now as a destroyer varient

Ophidean destroyers

[storm jungle]

Ah yeah

[rustic spruce]

are necrontyr souls in the more wacky necrons like the wraith, spyder, scarabs, etc. or are those just war machines they built

[naive oyster]

The OG model looks very different to the newer one.

[storm jungle]

All war machines

[arctic talon]

Canopteks are just AI

And aren’t technically built for combat

But they do fine in it

[tall hinge]

Yeah those are the ones I'm used to lol. I last played Necrons in 2008 so that would make sense.

[tulip sand]

So if you kill a necron unit they will just respawn unless you snatch their soul right

[rustic spruce]

aren't scarabs designed to wake up a necron tomb

[storm jungle]

Good times 😔

[arctic talon]

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120110053_NECOphydianDestroyersLead.jpg

[storm jungle]

Scarabs are little construction robots

[arctic talon]

Ophidean destroyers are cooler old wraiths

[arctic talon]

They don’t have souls

[tall hinge]

I mean they still need the body. But yes they do resurrect quite frequently when 'killed' since their bodies are made of living metal that repairs itself.

[arctic talon]

You can’t kill a necron for good unless you destroy all the reanimator complexes

[tulip sand]

Well the necrontyr

Like the actual necron

[arctic talon]

The necrontyr don’t exist anymore

[molten rover]

yeah depends on the "tier" of necron

[rustic spruce]

won't a necron's body explode if their on death teleporter fails

[arctic talon]

Necrons don’t posses souls

[arctic talon]

Yes but they have backups

So it’s hard to know if you fucked up a body enough to destroy it

Or if it just teleported away

[tulip sand]

However if you do destroy them they cant replenish their manpower

[arctic talon]

Because destroying a body does put strain on resources

[arctic talon]

They build new bodies all the time

The Necrons are nigh unstoppable once fully awake

[tulip sand]

Not the physical body the necrom

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

If you destroy the engram

But that’s incredibly difficult

[storm jungle]

Also thats another thing

[naive oyster]

That and not all Tomb Worlds are fully functional, Silent King is doing something about that though

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

the canopteks REALISTICALLY could be just your entire army since they can constantly be replenished at a moment's notice

but naturally watching just robot bugs destroy everything isnt as fun

so you need OTHER killer robots to spice it up

😎

[naive oyster]

🎵 Terminator Theme 🎵 Intensifies

[rustic spruce]

everyone gangsta until the necrons bust out an aeonic orb

[naive oyster]

Or a World Engine

[arctic talon]

Yee haw

[dusk patrol]

At the end of the day, 40k is about justifying why ground wars and glorious melee combat happen

[tulip sand]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Not even Tau’s tactics really make much sense with what they can do

[naive oyster]

Though relatively speaking Nercons popping up and turning everyone into a pile ash still uncommon in the IoM, no?

[tulip sand]

How did 40k starr

Start

[arctic talon]

Still very uncommon

[rustic spruce]

as a game called rogue trader

[crisp heath]

So from what a lot of people say about the Imperium of Man, consequences for breaking the "law" are super inconsistent

[tulip sand]

Where can i find details about that

[crisp heath]

Is there any written baseline for what punishment is worthy for breaking a "law"?

[tulip sand]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[arctic talon]

The lex imperialis

Technically

Except it’s really obtuse and big

[crisp heath]

Or are criminals just at the mercy of whoever's in charge at the moment

[rustic spruce]

the big book of convoluted laws

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/E1zeTwaMNPA

[crisp heath]

I see some criminals in the background of Darktide performing manual labor or whatever

[arctic talon]

They’re at the mercy of whoever is in charge

[tulip sand]

Thanks chief

[crisp heath]

And it just made me wonder why they'd just execute them all instead of putting them to work lol

[tulip sand]

Curious about what was first present in universe

[crisp heath]

Execution seems really inefficient . . .

[arctic talon]

Moloc didn’t impress valerian, Valerian just didn’t see a way to end the fight instantly

[rustic spruce]

imotekh having an infinite rage towards ork stupidity will always be some of my favorite lore

[arctic talon]

Which is how custodes fight against marines

[naive oyster]

Just also remember there is Imperial Law and then planetary Law. The Arbites only care if you break Imperial Law.

[arctic talon]

That’s why moloc intimidated him to an extent

[storm jungle]

Basically more or less the Imperium is what it is now but it was ** ALOT** more simplified and it was a lot more like a space wild west filled with punks and mutants with you having the freedom to do a lot of wacky stuff in it in RPG sessions

[arctic talon]

Because Moloc wouldn’t die instantly in a straight dual

As for what Moloc is

[storm jungle]

the Imperium was also majorily portrayed as the fascist cops and army coming in to ruin everyones fun

[arctic talon]

We have no fucking clue

Yeah for sure

[tulip sand]

Inquisitor obiwan sherlock closseau

[arctic talon]

Moloc is a big ??? As to what he is

He’s not strong enough to be a thunder warrior or custodes

[rustic spruce]

how come only orks have ever seemed to utilize naval combat to any meaningful degree

[crisp heath]

Well that's sad lmao

[tulip sand]

So probably far easier to compare to 70s UK basically

[arctic talon]

He sorta is except he isn’t angry

He’s very analytical

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yep

[crisp heath]

It makes me wonder how well relatively "sane" planets perform compared to more dogmatic planets

[tulip sand]

I wonder what those people who made that think of astartes and guard fans

[crisp heath]

If "sanity" even exists in the imperium of man lol

[arctic talon]

Tbf size wise he isn’t larger then some of the biggest examples of marines

[tulip sand]

LMAO reverend jeronimo kipling

[arctic talon]

Like that space wolf guy

[tulip sand]

Canon

[arctic talon]

And that ultramarine I forgot the name of

And the Sons of Antaeus

But Moloc is def up there in terms of size

[naive oyster]

Sergeant Pasanius?

[arctic talon]

Yeah he’s

Quite impressive

But he’s got a pretty terrible record in straight duals

Because he bites off more then he can chew

But he always comes back somehow so

[dusk patrol]

He made a Custodes Shield Captain uncertain if he could beat him

Which is pretty impressive

But then we all got cockblocked from the fight

[tulip sand]

The USSR was around when 40k began

[arctic talon]

Honestly I’m a big fan of the engram theory lol

Honestly the most idiotic thing Moloc has done was challenge an overlord to single combat

[dusk patrol]

He’s definitely not a half measures kind of guy

[crisp heath]

It's entirely possible Moloc has been enhanced even beyond a normal Astartes as a one-off program

[dusk patrol]

He has full assed every single thing he’s ever done

[arctic talon]

Lol true

I mean no point in crossing it for him yet

[tulip sand]

@storm jungle thank you for linking this lmfaooo

[arctic talon]

Why do it now when he’s uninjured

[crisp heath]

Crossing the Rubicon is a bad gambit IMO

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

It’s more of a fuck welp better then nothing

[tulip sand]

Canon

[arctic talon]

When someone’s really wounded

[crisp heath]

50% chance of death to become more powerful when you're already a fuckin Astartes

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And it’s not like a normal astartes can’t fight primaris

[crisp heath]

Plus what happens to all the pre-Primaris wargear they can't wear?

[arctic talon]

Tbf they still can use primaris and non primaris weapons

As firstborn or primaris

[tulip sand]

This moloc guy sounds like the kid on the playground who wouldnt fake die when people played 'war'

[arctic talon]

Honestly

Moloc is weird as fuck

[crisp heath]

Terminator Armor Firstborn > Ordinary Primaris, and Termie armor is hard to make

[arctic talon]

He counts every single kill the Minotaurs get

After a battle

[crisp heath]

He's nice, he doesn't make the serfs do it

Like every other chapter

[arctic talon]

Lol

Fair enough

[dusk patrol]

There’s a funny excerpt of a Minotaur Dreadnought