40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[rich vale]

Tzeentch isn't always cloak and dagger. The dude fucking loves war because war brings about change

[astral whale]

What games?

[wild plinth]

I think Khorne is a very good option as they do not have to be all mad bloodthirsty. They do have some very dedicated Chaos IG groups that are all super martial organzied

[arctic talon]

Dawn of war all 3, and space marine are the 2 big ones

[astral whale]

Dawn of War II CR- Ulkair
We do not talk about Kyras. Fuck Kyras.

[arctic talon]

Lol

Khorne doesn’t hate psykers

He hates sorcerers

Big difference

[astral whale]

What 3rd?

[arctic talon]

Funny joke

[astral whale]

There was no third dawn of war.

If any of you insist that there was a third the Inquisition might have to purge this chat.

[worn pagoda]

Not all of Khorne's worshippers are particularly angry when they come to his cults.

Positive emotions and thoughts are as easily manipulated by the Chaos Gods as negative ones.

[astral whale]

Either way. DOW II CR - Ulkair was the big bad.
Kyras was a demon of Khorne. He is the exception.

Space Marine- Mostly Bloodletters although isn’t the main bad supposed to be a black Legionary of Chaos Undivided?
Inquisitor Martyr- Nurgle.
Eisenhorn: Slaaneshis made several appearances.

Idk about Fire Warrior. Didn’t play that one.

[crisp heath]

On the flipside every chaos god also has an upside, Khorne represents honor as well as violence. Tzeench is schemes/hope, etc

[normal stream]

Slaanesh would make the game hard to sell to kids

Tzeentch might lose people in the storyline

[crisp heath]

Total war Warhammer 3 did fine

[astral whale]

Canonically correct Slaanesh would be a hard sell for anyone.

[normal stream]

Okay now try doing that with an fps

[wind heron]

they nerfed Slaanesh into "find me pretty shinies"

[crisp heath]

Fulgrim after finding that sword be like

[normal stream]

Intro cinematic will be tentacle porn rather than eldritch horror

[astral whale]

The game would be a drug trip.

[wind heron]

All 3

[wild plinth]

its all flesh down here in this chaos invasion ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[wind heron]

Edlritch Hedonist Horror

[ruby sparrow]

A slaaneshi game is just cruelty squad

[astral whale]

A Slaaneshi game would probably be the controls are all fucked up and it’s DS1 levels of difficulty while you are on six different hard drugs.

[ruby sparrow]

So, Cruelty squad.

[astral whale]

Yeah pretty much

[wild plinth]

Rapidly alternates from super bright to pitch black

[ruby sparrow]

Once again

https://tenor.com/view/cruelty-squad-gif-23545322

Cruelty squad

[storm jungle]

That’s what Slaanesh has always been about.

Not her fault the internet is filled with coomers

[wind heron]

partly about. its his entire stick in new fantasy. More a crow than Tzeentch is

[storm jungle]

Same with 40k

[ruby sparrow]

Slaanesh is just a fucking vtuber

[wind heron]

Absolutely, people obsess over horny becayse they horny. Its not everything Slaanesh is.

[storm jungle]

Hedonism surpasses sex every time since its so basic in the list of desires humans have so yeah

[astral whale]

No, that is EXACTLY what she wants. Slaanesh is excess in all things. She is raw sensation.

Horni is a sensation.

[wind heron]

thats just one many sensations

[ruby sparrow]

People obsess over horny because its funny to see slaanesh shit as "Horni on main" instead of Hm yes today I will play cruelty squad to relax my eyeballs

[wind heron]

Pride is a Sensation

[plush mason]

i mean. the problem with Hedonism is it is hard to show given that most modern life is nothing but hedonistic

[ruby sparrow]

Just go to extremes

[astral whale]

Basically Slaanesh is “everything everywhere all at once” the god.

[wind heron]

The thrill of battle is a sensation and probably why Slaanesh has so many duelists.

[plush mason]

thats my point. if you arent living in poverty you are a hedonist

[ruby sparrow]

The midzone between slaanesh and khorne

[astral whale]

Arrogance is definitely a common trope among Slaaneshi followers.

[plush mason]

ye

[astral whale]

To be a follower of both you’d have to walk a razor thin line.

[crisp heath]

Ma boy Lucius

[wind heron]

Avg Slaaneshi low tierboss: Im gonna 1v999,9999,999 all of you!

[astral whale]

Lucius should be pretty easy to kill. I mean the Necrons BY ALL MEANS should be able to kill him.

[wild plinth]

Lucius is easy to kill. The trick is keeping him dead

[plush mason]

no his curse can effect the necrons

[astral whale]

How? They have no souls!!

[plush mason]

a fucking warrior killed him and he torn his way out of it

[plush mason]

they dont need one. the curse effects you if you feel any form of satisfaction in the killing

[crisp heath]

they can be messed up by the flayer virus tho

which im 90% sure was chaos related

[plush mason]

so only those that have 0 reason to care that they just killed the greatest duelist of mankind can break Lucius' curse

[crisp heath]

I would like you to meet Abaddon

[plush mason]

which in 40k is a surprisingly long list of people lol

[crisp heath]

Man Abaddon sliced up the founder of the black templars ol siggy like swatting a fly I doubt Lucius would be a challenge at all imo

[plush mason]

i know but Lucius is literally the best duelist in the galaxy. that is his whole shtick

he only loses when he wants to

[crisp heath]

counterpoint: Abaddon killed the only guy who ever beat Lucius

that being siggy i'm pretty sure

at least one of the three maybe

[plush mason]

no

also sig was old as hell when Abaddon killed him and had slowed a lot

[astral whale]

Okay here are a number of things that by all means could and should kill permakill Lucius.

Tau AI.
An unknowing suicide bomber.
Artillery (if they don’t know they hit him how can they feel joy about killing him)
Driving a ship he is on into the sun.
Any number of carnivorous plants in the imperium.
Nuclear weapon suicide.
Backing over him in a tank.

[crisp heath]

his soul would still live on in the warp

also he's probably gonna achive daemonhood if he hasnt already

just keep coming back

[plush mason]

ye

[astral whale]

Not chaos related. I read it more as corruption of their code as chaos corruption relies upon souls. Souls which the necrons don’t have due to bio transference.

[crisp heath]

only way to be sure is giving him the horus treatment and control alt deleting him from reality

[astral whale]

Not a demon yet. Just gifted. Same way Abbadon isn’t a demon.

[crisp heath]

ooh I think the ctan invented the flayer virus then

its been a minute since I read a necron book tho

[arctic talon]

The c’tan did create it

[astral whale]

One of the Ctan cursed the Necrons with it in death.

[arctic talon]

Or rather a c’tan crated it when the Necrons killed one

Yeah

[plush mason]

with the artty that wont work as all it takes is feeling satisfaction in the killing not that you killed Lucius himself. iirc he literally stepped on a land mine one time and the guy that set it heard it go off, felt good about it, and then Lucius burst out of him

[arctic talon]

And then the Necrons stopped killing the C’tan lol

Because turns out killing c’tan damages reality itself

[astral whale]

Arty would work depending if the crew didn’t feel any satisfaction with their service or their position.

[plush mason]

that could work yeah

[crisp heath]

“We must now play Pokémon on an intergalactic scale”

[astral whale]

Which is weird because the C’tan themselves aren’t warp entities, right?

[arctic talon]

Also Lucius is gona come back regardless

Since

[crisp heath]

-Some necron lo rd probably

[plush mason]

like the list of people and ways that Lucius' curse can be broken is insanely long and its only thru pure plot armor that it hasnt been broken yet

[arctic talon]

They entertain slaanesh lol

[astral whale]

Are the C’tan the real space equivalent of the Chaos Gods?

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh doesn’t care about the “rules” of the curse

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

Sorta? It’s what it seems like. We don’t have enough lore on them to say for sure

[plush mason]

didnt the necrotyr make them from living space clouds or has that been retconned?

[arctic talon]

Nah they did

[astral whale]

I mean think about it.
The chaos gods power is about bending the immaterium. Unreality.

The C’tan’s power is mostly bending reality.

[arctic talon]

There’s not a ton of lore on the actual nature of the C’tan itself

It’s what can be assumed

Based on the lore we have

[astral whale]

They did. The C’tan were the ones making the Necron homeworld shit. The Necrons gave them physical forms.

[vocal drum]

o oops sorry

[plush mason]

lol. i literally got a living space cloud in one of my stellarius runs

[astral whale]

The C’tan were a space anomaly that consumed and produced shit tons of radiation.

[plush mason]

ye

[crisp heath]

iirc they were orbiting their planet while sucking the energy from the sun that gave them all super cancer as well

they then thought "hey...friends?"

[astral whale]

Exactly. They were shaping fate to get the Necrons to create avatars for them.

[plush mason]

lol

[astral whale]

Did someone put a… right next to Nurgle’s symbol?

[crisp heath]

never saw it that way but that makes so much sense lol

jerks

just like ||the deceiver's wild goose chase for an untainted necrontyr body being a big hoodwink to get orikan to open his prison||

[plush mason]

ummmm

[astral whale]

I like to think some Slaaneshi follower is having a laugh.

[ruby sparrow]

That symbol means plague

[plush mason]

...

[astral whale]

Plague be upon you.
Pain be among us.
Painus.

[ruby sparrow]

I know it looks like a dick and balls

[toxic hedge]

can darktide rejects handle tyranids and orks or nah

[plush mason]

GW got cheeky when they made that rune lol

[plush mason]

ofc we can, we literally take plasma rounds to the face and laugh

[crisp heath]

If we could handle the trials and tribulations of Tertium and fight actual demons from actual he’ll I don’t see why not

[astral whale]

Reminds me of the Gravemind meme.
“Cock or balls, you must choose.”
“For one you shall keep, and the other you shall lose.”

[toxic hedge]

the things we fight in tertium is the most scrubs enemy we'll ever fight in 40k lol

[rich vale]

Orks definitely can be dealt with. Guardsmen fight them all the time

[crisp heath]

If Chaos Guardsmen are actually OP in a game for once I cant imagine how terrifying nids would be, just millions of xenomorphs with psychic powers

[astral whale]

I don’t see why the Inquisition would bother if Chaos, Tyranids and Orks were spotted on planet. They’d Typhon that shit.

[crisp heath]

https://youtu.be/dnj3EgM5Egg

[rich vale]

Same reason they're battling the heretics

[crisp heath]

I do like the devs straying away from the whole space marines/tyranids and ork thing tho, nice to see the little guys (guardsmen and chaos cults) getting the spotlight

[rich vale]

Atoma prime is super important to the Imperium logistically

[ruby sparrow]

We're trying to avoid having to exterminatus it

[plush mason]

i doubt the morningstar is able to do that + all communication outside the system is cut off rn

[astral whale]

Better exterminatus it and prevent the threat from spreading.

[vocal drum]

nurgul is pretty chill no? saves people from death they still rot but they live without pain am I wrong what can go wrong here

[astral whale]

There are more than one ways to skin a cat. Detonate the fusion reactors.

[astral whale]

INQUISITOR!! We’ve got a problem child!!

[plush mason]

that would destroy the hive but leave most of the planet intact so that wouldnt work

[vocal drum]

lol either Slaanesh or nurgul

those are my 2 choices of gods to follow lol

[quartz flax]

I'm still getting into the lore, but as a psyker on an inquisitor team will we ever get treated with a modicum of respect? I know the doctrine indicates no, but is the inquisition not different ?

[crisp heath]

Yes come to the good side child

[astral whale]

The machine god is best!!

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-warhammer-total-war-warhammer-daemons-demons-gif-20223678

[vocal drum]

um wait why does he have worms in his mouth gross

[plush mason]

given that many inquisitors themselves are psykers yeah you can earn respect

[rich vale]

Depends. The group that founded the Inquisition was basically all psykers

But they're super secretive

[astral whale]

Don’t judge Isha’s cooking. She’s doing her best with ingredients from the garden.

[rich vale]

Ordo Malleus, the secret Daemon hunting arm of the Inquisition

[crisp heath]

Isha is nurgle’s 10/10 waifu

[plush mason]

ordo*

[rich vale]

Honestly, Grendyl is probably Ordo Malleus

[plush mason]

no

hereticus

[rich vale]

Malleus pretends to be the others Nameless

They virtually never identify themselves as Ordo Malleus

[astral whale]

He does his best to be a supportive husband.

[plush mason]

thats the first i have heard of that

[rich vale]

Its super common for them to show up as other Inquisitors, or even as non Inquisition related individuals

I read up on some Ordo Malleus lore cause I was looking into refreshing my Inquisition info

[arctic talon]

They’re explicitly mentioned as hereticus by Zola

Tbf

[rich vale]

Yes

And as I stated

[arctic talon]

Then again the only person who knows for sure

Is Rannick

Prolly

And even then grendyl

[rich vale]

Malleus never identifies themselves as Malleus

[arctic talon]

Only knows the real truth

[astral whale]

The fuck is Malleus?/s

[plush mason]

lol

[astral whale]

You guys need to learn to stop talking about things that do not exist.

[maiden plover]

"All sisters of battle are exactly 5 feet and 11 and 3/8th of an inch tall. Those who are naturally shorter get heels/platform shoes that will elevate their height to the Emperor's holy number, and those who are taller than that get their legs hacked off at the appropriate length."

[rich vale]

Damn, fucked up

[maiden plover]

after deciding to make my zealot be like one of them and not knowing about warhammer

[arctic talon]

[maiden plover]

thats an interesting thing to knowq

[astral whale]

How does a 5’3 woman fight in 8 inch heels?

[rich vale]

Power armor

[crisp heath]

I'm 5'11" and like 8/10th of an inch T-T

[crisp heath]

By the grace of the emperor

[arctic talon]

Where the fuck is this from lol

[rich vale]

Sisters of battle almost all wear power armor iirc

[arctic talon]

Bcs I’m 99% sure

Not all sisters are like

The same height even in art

[maiden plover]

just the first result on google, didint search hard

[crisp heath]

it's imperial propaganda

[plush mason]

likely some 4chan post

[maiden plover]

Im not saying this is cannon just searched it up and saw this and went what in thee heck

[arctic talon]

The fandom wiki?

This doesn’t sound canon

Not with modern depictions at least lol

[plush mason]

no way in hell it is

[arctic talon]

I’ve never heard or seen this mentioned

[plush mason]

like i said its likely from 4chan

[arctic talon]

Oh

It’s Dakka dakka

So it’s prolly not true

[maiden plover]

Whats dakka even mean

[plush mason]

wtf is dakka dakka?

[arctic talon]

Firepower

[arctic talon]

Old ass forum

For warhammer stuff

[maiden plover]

I see lots of people say it but like I said dont know warhammer at all and just like the tide games

[plush mason]

its what the orks think gunfire sounds like

[arctic talon]

Yeah the source is bullshit lol

Even tho it fits how

Batshit insane the imperium is

[arctic talon]

It feels a bit too random and far fetched

[astral whale]

Still lol. I’d like to see a short 5’3 woman in 8 inch heels in power armor.

[arctic talon]

God

That sounds

Painful

[maiden plover]

Any Idea how tall I should go for or just anything?

[plush mason]

just up to you

[arctic talon]

Yep

[maiden plover]

Now just to think of a name then

[plush mason]

but i swear my shorty vet moves way faster than my tall characters

[maiden plover]

Short vet gaming

makes it easier to crouch infront of other vets for tactical firing

[astral whale]

Would you rather her wear 8 inch goth platform boots?

[arctic talon]

No because it sounds just as painful lol

[astral whale]

My goth Gf has platform boots and loves them.

[arctic talon]

Good for her

[astral whale]

Idk. I’ll ask her about how high they go.

[plush mason]

no way in hell they are 8 inches

[astral whale]

Lol I’d still pay for art of this lol

[plush mason]

fair

[astral whale]

Like. Imagine a 4’10 sister trying to join. That’s 13 inches!!

[crisp heath]

which melta-gun is correct lore wise? the ones that shoot literal lasers that disintegrate enemies? or the space marine game one that fires blasting waves that do the same?

[astral whale]

That isn’t a heel. It’s a stilt!!

[plush mason]

the laser

[crisp heath]

thank you, I was hoping that was it

[plush mason]

the space marine game is non canon in a lot of ways

[crisp heath]

good to know

I hope the second one corrects that

[plush mason]

just like dawn of war

[crisp heath]

and makes the game very close to canonical weapons wise and lore wise

[astral whale]

I hate how the new game is going to be Primaris. I mean. Even in the video games none of the named characters die crossing the Rubicon.

[ruby sparrow]

sorry for runes

posting them

mid mission

[plush mason]

it may but it does give primaris titus a first born jump pack sooo

[crisp heath]

oof

nvm then

too late

[astral whale]

Wait what the fuck.

[crisp heath]

at least I can expect cool combat against nids

[plush mason]

ye

[maiden plover]

Yo thats the one from vemintide

[astral whale]

That was my main gripe with the Primaris. The utter lack of backwards and forwards compatibility.

[maiden plover]

on the 3 buttons for doors

[crisp heath]

reminds me of the genestealer cultists and their praising of the "star gods" sometimes murals would depict shooting stars OR tendrils

[plush mason]

ye one of the trailers showed him running with a firstborn style jump pack on

[plush mason]

btw, iirc GW has made it where almost no one dies crossing the rubicon primaris now

[astral whale]

Why even write in a risk then?

[dusk patrol]

I mean it was more a risk on the onset.

They figured out how to do it safely for the younger dudes.

[plush mason]

ye

[dusk patrol]

And not many properly old marines have crossed.

Danet still hasn't

Logan hasn't

[crisp heath]

I thought Kor'sarro Khan was old, and he crossed

[dusk patrol]

Ragnar only did it because he got injured and he's still pretty young.

[ruby sparrow]

missed one of them

[worn pagoda]

Heels and power armor would be cancer.

[ruby sparrow]

Just dropping this again for ease of access

[plush mason]

has anyone told him it has a high chance to kill him? he would likely jump in it faster than anyone can blink

[dusk patrol]

Mephiston told him he would die if he did it

Which is why Mephiston did it instead.

Dante wanted to, but he got called off basically.

[dusk patrol]

So, sorta

[plush mason]

fucking hell, can they just let that man die already?

[ruby sparrow]

also missed my chance to get a sceenie but got one of these

[astral whale]

Idk. I feel like the Primaris should have been the new organ implants instead of inventing a new breed of astartes.

The whole idea of super-super soldiers is dumb because the Astartes and Custodes are already inconceivably resource intensive to maintain. Every single one of them (except scouts) wear power armor and wield weapons that are relics.

[dusk patrol]

That's mostly what they are.

Like its said a lot that primaris are often shittier versions of Firstborn

They learn but its not a huge gamer changer.

They have a couple slight edges but skill and experience still win out.

[crisp heath]

this one is ogre

which means ogryns

[astral whale]

Still. I feel like the reworks should have just been new implants, two new marks of power armor (Mark IX allowing firstborn to utilize some of the Primaris kit without forfeiting relic wargear

and Mark X new characters. New chapters. New stuff all around.

That way none of this would have been an issue.

[crisp heath]

gotta sell new models somehow..

[dusk patrol]

That's what it is in lore.

[astral whale]

There is no Mark IX though.

They skipped it.

[dusk patrol]

Mark X can be integrated with their old armor.

You can see it in a ton of the new primaris models.

They just update their armor a bit.

[astral whale]

How? Mark X uses completley different technology for larger proportions.

[arctic talon]

Backwards comparability with helmets

[dusk patrol]

It doesn't, its power armor.

[arctic talon]

And armor pads

[astral whale]

There’s the whole interlocking Ceramite rings things.

[dusk patrol]

Like look at Helbrecht's armor

His legs are still his older model

[arctic talon]

Right shoulder as well I think?

[dusk patrol]

I'm not sure but a lot of his armor is super similar, just updated.

We also see stuff like Firstborn using Mark X in books, and Primaris using older armor

Its just models don't always reflect this.

But in lore, it can be extremely variable.

[arctic talon]

Also primaris using bolters

And grav weapons

[ruby sparrow]

?

[arctic talon]

And drop pods and rhinos

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

The main thing they haven't addressed is terminator armor.

Which I suspect in lore could easily just be updated for size.

[crisp heath]

oh, multiple arms

[plush mason]

wtf?

[dusk patrol]

considering how variable marines already were

[crisp heath]

I was looking for that one

it looks more like monolith

[astral whale]

Still. I really dislike the need for the writers to specify that Primaris are taller because that just makes things confusing. You’re telling me that they won’t need to rework entire fortifications to compensate for additional height?

[crisp heath]

and monolith would make since for nurgle daemons

and I thought it was enormously fat too

[plush mason]

dont the primaris have a different armor they use that replaces terminator armor?

[dusk patrol]

Gravis kinda does

[crisp heath]

wait a minute, what nurgle daemon is a monolith, has multiple arms, and is enormously fat? there isnt one that has multiple arms

[dusk patrol]

But its not quite the same

And tbh I suspect they're gonna make a primaris terminator armor eventually.

[worn pagoda]

Gross

Primaris marines

[astral whale]

Not really. Gravis doesn’t have shield generators like Terminator armor.

[dusk patrol]

Did you read what I said?

[worn pagoda]

I would've been alright with it if GW hadn't flipflopped between it being a super rare improvement with a high mortality rate and it being something every marine ever suddenly is.

[crisp heath]

primaris marines are stupid lore wise, but model wise I like the mark 4 design

[dusk patrol]

I didn't say "Terminator and Gravis armor are the same in every way"

I said "Gravis kinda takes its place, but they're not quite the same"

[astral whale]

Gotcha. Misread that last bit

[crisp heath]

not all terminator armor has shielding

iirc its only really cataphracti and above

[worn pagoda]

Or maybe if GW weren't lazy bastards and decided "Why write lore and explain which chapters do and don't use primaris, and in what quantities, and how they deploy them in mixed or pure squads, when we can just say ever marine ever is primaris now to sell more models"

[crisp heath]

tartaros armor the superior looking terminator armor

[astral whale]

GW needs to release more fluff books.

[arctic talon]

Saying that when cataphracti exists

Straight to heck

[astral whale]

They desperately need to give the lore lovers a bone or two.

[crisp heath]

cataphractii too clunky for my taste

[arctic talon]

Fair

I like the brick shithouse look

[crisp heath]

the resin imperial fists praetor actually has tartaros armor

[worn pagoda]

All those chapters that have a lot of traditions and specialized gear because of their unique battlefields? Like the Carcharodons and the Consecrators. Fuck scarcity, and screw their deep traditions. Suddenly primaris.

[crisp heath]

also the word bearers praetor in tart armor looks absolutely gorgeous

[worn pagoda]

The Carcharodons can't get new ships but GW will be damned if they aren't all suddenly Primaris.

[astral whale]

Like idk. It feels like the lack of lore makes the imperium seem stronger than ever. A primarch is back. The high lords are gone.

[arctic talon]

The high lords still exist

[astral whale]

The universe isn’t as dark anymore.

[arctic talon]

And are just as much of a shitstorm as they used to be

[crisp heath]

I like their mk5 armor

[worn pagoda]

Someone needs to go wake the Lion up from his nap

The inconsiderate douche

[crisp heath]

the heresy pattern armor is really cool looking

[arctic talon]

MKIV armor is unironically my favorite MK

[ruby sparrow]

aa

[worn pagoda]

The Lion will go find Vulcan and have a stern conversation about how a dramatic entrance at the biggest battle isn't worth abandoning the Imperium.

[arctic talon]

Mostly bcs of all the legion specific varients

[worn pagoda]

Mk III is the best pattern fight me.

[crisp heath]

I love mk4 armor, and I'm glad my 2 favorite legions from the horus heresy uses it

[arctic talon]

But the higlords of terra are still around and bickering

[crisp heath]

and that's Alpha Legion and Word Bearers

[arctic talon]

2 is better then 3 imo

[crisp heath]

they mostly only use mk4

[astral whale]

To serve Gulliman. Idk. I feel like they should have received a little more of a betrayal arc than what we got

[plush mason]

yeah i like roman look of the cata

[ruby sparrow]

The top one I couldnt make out, The stuff below the top line roughly translates to "Death to the false emperor"

[arctic talon]

They don’t all serve g-man ironically

They still serve their own political agendas

[worn pagoda]

As I remember, a flaw in the Mk II as specified in the Death Watch core rulebook is that the maglocked boots are always on.

[crisp heath]

Best Space Marine legion

[arctic talon]

That sounds like a terrible design flaw lmao

Though that would explain why MK3 is so much more popular then 2

[crisp heath]

yes

[astral whale]

I know, but I want to see more friction between Gman and the high lords.

[crisp heath]

Justaerin terminators are my shit dude

need a horus heresy total war

[arctic talon]

The current high lord of the official assasinorum thinks guilliman is an idiot

Fun fact

[crisp heath]

id sell my soul to slaanesh for one

[crisp heath]

any high gothic translation words?

[worn pagoda]

The armor rating from the front of a Mk III set is 9 all around except for the chest, which is a 10. But from behind the armor rating is all a 6.

This is the equivalent of some sets of basic guardsman grade Carapace Armor in Only War.

[ruby sparrow]

Not sure. The translation was rough phonetic

[arctic talon]

Tbf those are rpg stats

[worn pagoda]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

But MK3 is really durable

[ruby sparrow]

The thing is the chaos language phoneticly goes to english sometimes

[worn pagoda]

The Mk III was great for frontal assault.

[astral whale]

I feel like the Lion should wake up, see Gulliman solo running the Imperium and go to kill him for doing everything he meant the Codex Astartes to prevent.

[worn pagoda]

Not so strong from behind. But not slacking either.

[crisp heath]

alpha legion scheme be looking great though

[ruby sparrow]

such as the rough translation of "Death to the false emperor"

[astral whale]

You mean the Alpharius Legion?

[crisp heath]

I can see the O with the line through it line up with the H in death and the

[crisp heath]

not yet in the Horus Heresy

only until Dorn "kills" Alpharius is it all Alpharius

[astral whale]

Idk. Alpharius lookin pretty fresh.

[ruby sparrow]

for refrence I use this for translation of the written text runes

[worn pagoda]

Speaking of the rpg. My Arbites has a general higher set of armor ratings than even my Carcharodon in Mk III.

[crisp heath]

just let him nap seeing the state of imperium would be too much fuckery even for him

[ruby sparrow]

its phonetic

[crisp heath]

thank you, I'll try my best

[astral whale]

Lion wakes up, retrieves a Recaf to the shock of some random ass apothecary, returns to hidden chamber as the apothecary is losing his shit.

[ruby sparrow]

The stuff below the top Line reads, more literally, D Ii AA tz H Tz O Tz H ii F Aa L S ii ii M Ph ii rh O rh

[plush mason]

lol

[crisp heath]

watcher in the dark holding his enormous lion mug following close behind

[worn pagoda]

He has an 8 for his head, a 7 for his right arm, a 6 for both legs, a 10 for his chest, and an 11 for his left arm. His chest and shield arm are modified by his Synford-Pattern Lockshield, and with this shield he can choose to modify his head for a 12 armor rating on his head, or his legs for a 10 on both legs.

The RPG is silly sometimes. Since you don't reach armor values like this even as Astartes, not until you're a terminator.

[astral whale]

Reads a report “Nope. Imma give it another 8 milenia. Fuck this shit. I need my beauty sleep.”

[crisp heath]

the dot means E

so it says it fully

the top part says this though

[plush mason]

notices the green on the apothecary's armor "why the fuck is your armor green?"

[crisp heath]

G u N A a G h G h Y R h A a N

gnaggyran?

[plush mason]

a daemon name maybe?

[crisp heath]

could it be a nurgle daemons name though?

one they made for the story?

[crimson dragon]

nargang

[plush mason]

could be

[crisp heath]

turns out the final boss is a great unclean one with that daemon name

and he started as a nurgling

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crisp heath]

as the cult worshipped it, it gained power

lmfao

[plush mason]

lol

[worn pagoda]

If you use the daemon name generator in one of the Dark Heresy books you end up with something as obnoxiously long as this

[old jay]

asking lore guy here: are the other 7 home planets well known or anything? or they just kinda pick some random planets and then cadia

[crimson dragon]

random planets

in the moebian sector

[ruby sparrow]

so did we find the name of a daemon?

[crimson dragon]

with cadia being the only none moebian sector planet

[ruby sparrow]

we may be onto something

[old jay]

i c. thx

[crimson dragon]

im gonna go with reversed name

[crisp heath]

I typed in the word gnaggyran, and it popped up something called Ganguan, which uses the same letters

[crimson dragon]

its probably nargang

[crisp heath]

and apparently it's in the Plague Wars novels

anyone know?

[ruby sparrow]

👀

[crimson dragon]

Gangrene

Gangrene

[crisp heath]

wait a minute

oh my god dont tell me it's a plague marine

that it's a special plague marine

[crimson dragon]

Plaguemarine named gangrene

lol

[ruby sparrow]

It could be a daemon?

[crisp heath]

it may be a plague marine

but Fatshark said they werent gonna add space marines, unless it was meant to be like a "oh we arent, hehehe"

[ruby sparrow]

Kid named GuNAaGhGhYRhAaN

[crisp heath]

chainsword man, that right there might have solved a piece of the puzzle, thanks for sending me the translation page too

we might be getting either a plague marine, that was from the plague wars, or it might be a bigger daemon

Gangrene is a plague marine apart of the Withered Hands Plague Company, and they've taken Hive Cities by making cults in secret underneath them

what the actual fuck

https://wh40khomebrew.fandom.com/wiki/Withered_Hands

[ruby sparrow]

@lime crane explain yourself

[crimson dragon]

Gu N Aa Gh Gh Y Rh Aa N i think stands for gangrene

[crisp heath]

Gangrene is also a daemonically mutated plague marine, who doesnt even look like a plague marine anymore

sometimes he's confused for a plague bearer

[ruby sparrow]

Saw runes for plague bearer lying around too

@minor lance

[minor lance]

I am pinged

What for howeth amst I summon-ed

[ruby sparrow]

Just bringing you up to date on findings

[crimson dragon]

Gunaggyran

[crisp heath]

they arent a plague company, they are just a warband

[ruby sparrow]

Wait

[crisp heath]

WAIT!!

[ruby sparrow]

I saw runes for "chaos warband" and "chaos lord" on the same map

[crisp heath]

Gangrene isnt a plague marine!!

he's a chaos infected ORK!!

[ruby sparrow]

ORK

what

[crisp heath]

Gangrene is an ORK

[crimson dragon]

lmao

[crisp heath]

Gangrene
The leader of the Ly-Kin thoroughly daemonically mutated were it not for his orkish way of speaking and garments, he could be confused for plaguebearer. While Ly’s Blood has suppressed much of his nature, Gangrene still falls into old habits such as getting the Ly-Kin to obsess over shiny bits and teef and he always refers to Sclerios as Warboss. Gangrene loves the Bloat Ticks (as do all the Ly-Kin) and keeps a large female known as Bitey as a pet and will constantly bring back corpses to feed her and small trinkets to “make ‘er purty”. Though under daemonic control, he still possess the raw orkish strength and ferocity he had before his corruption and revels in combat like any ork would.

he's a goddamn ork

[ruby sparrow]

Ok so. Uh

[minor lance]

Keep in mind it could also just be an FS OC. I don't wanna rain on your parade, and I'm not saying you're wrong. But Bramblegut Heliburp was a nurgle sorcerer and OC, and they even had an OC grey seer of all things.

[ruby sparrow]

Is he a chaos lord

[crisp heath]

I do not know

he has a pet female bloat tick named "bitey"

[ruby sparrow]

Because the runes for "chaos lord," "chaos weapon" and "chaos warband" show up a lot

[minor lance]

Also, weren't chaos orks soft retconned?

[crisp heath]

I think so

but it's still funny

[ruby sparrow]

On that level

[crimson dragon]

then what about that ork that's in khorne's place

which is ork heaven

[minor lance]

He's not chaos corrupted at all, actually

Khorne just likes him.

[crisp heath]

lol

[ruby sparrow]

@cold mango youre with fatshark right. What does this meeean

[crisp heath]

"I just think he's neat"

[minor lance]

Pretty much, yeah.

[ruby sparrow]

Wait. Did you say he also does chaos cults below hive cities

[minor lance]

Tuska Daemonkilla, I think it was?

[crisp heath]

if it a plague marine though, with a different name we never heard of, I'd be genuinely surprised

[ruby sparrow]

....

Theres runes of the great horned rat on that level too

The space skaven are reeeeealllllll!!!!

[crisp heath]

it's just Gnaggyran doesnt sound like a plague marine name

things like Globbulous

or Pustus the Vile

[ruby sparrow]

Space skaven

[crisp heath]

are more plague marine names

[ruby sparrow]

Its a space skaven

[crisp heath]

what's the final bosses name in vermintide?

[minor lance]

Man went on a warpath through the warp eventually hit a core world of Khorne. Proceeded to fucking butcher the daemons there, including a daemon prince. Khorne found this fucking hilarious and, as a mixture of entertainment and punishment for the prince, resurrects all the orks every day to keep fighting.

The orks absolutely love it.

Fun fact, orks actually get stronger the more they fight (Buildz up they's WAAAAAAGH enagee, yeh?). Tuska's WAAAGH!! is still there on that planet. Growing bigger and stronger every day. So that's fun.

[crisp heath]

god, it reminds me of the War of the Beast

to think it took a singular Krork 2 years to almost destroy the entire galaxy is insane

[minor lance]

Was The Beast a Krork? I thought he was very close but just about stopped, no?

Which frankly is even more terrifying

[crisp heath]

he was near the levels of being a Krork, basically there

[toxic hedge]

now imagine billions of krork and prime eldar duking it out with necrons

[crisp heath]

if it wasnt for his intelligence, and knowing of his psychic powers

[toxic hedge]

man human is small fry

[crisp heath]

the Beast was gonna turn into a full on Krork using pure waaaaagh energy

and was gonna make more

but if it wasnt for Vulkan, he would've succeeded too

[ruby sparrow]

Grey seer rasknitt

[crisp heath]

ah, yeah, I was thinking maybe the name is an easter egg to vermintide

but I suppose not

[rose thorn]

whats the most silly at first but super grim and horrible at second glance thing in 40k in your opinion?

aos is full of stuff liek taht and its great

[crisp heath]

I would say it

but you'd be angry

everyone would hate me for it

[ruby sparrow]

Servo skull typewriters

/printers

[crisp heath]

I thought "this couldnt possibly exist, this is dumb" and realized "oh... oh my god"

and it's the daemonculabra

made by the Iron Warriors

[ruby sparrow]

Fucks the dasmonculabra

[crisp heath]

oh, oh god

oh fucking god you dont know

I uhm.. dont recommend looking it up

it's messed up for 40k standards

and I think it would count as NSFW here

if I went more in depth

[ruby sparrow]

Ill take your word for it

But yeah death to the false emperor is showing up a lot. Saw it tattood onto an enemy in the meatgrinder

[crisp heath]

it pops up a lot

but the issue is, usually only chaos space marines would scream something like that, I suppose cultists too?

[minor lance]

Orks

[crisp heath]

I guess Trazyn could fit in that category too, but he's more just funny anyway

for funny but grim

[minor lance]

Also Trazyn, yes. But also Trazyn is mostly just a spiteful dickhead. What an asshole. I love him.

[ruby sparrow]

Honestly 40k has situations which are grim but to such an extent they can seem morbidly comedic

Like rats being considered fine cuisine in the hive cities is a common joke

[minor lance]

Has? That's the norm! The setting is so grim it's funny

[ruby sparrow]

Yeh

I mean it takes itself somewhat seriously but in places its so over the top its...

[minor lance]

So do comedies, or they're not very funny!

[ruby sparrow]

Its grimdark comedy

[minor lance]

Like there is good, serious writing in 40k. But the universe itself is extremely dumb the moment you take a step back and actually look at it.

[ruby sparrow]

The satire roots are there

It is "a shitpost with a degree in philosophy"

[minor lance]

pfffff. That's a great explanation

[ruby sparrow]

I also apply that to chainsaw man

Its dark and goes into serious things and is horrid. But is simultaneously extremely silly

But back on topic. Whomstve be the Kid named GuNAaGhGhYRhAaN

[crisp heath]

also keep in mind though

nurglings are heralds of nurgle

and worshipped by even plague marines

so it could actually be a nurgling

that's growing in power

[crisp heath]

waking up an eldritch horror just to spite your sixty million year long nemesis

[ruby sparrow]

Theres also been runes for plaguebearer scattered around

[crisp heath]

plaguebearers could come in

the final leader could be a great unclean one honestly

[ruby sparrow]

And chaos weapon runes

[crisp heath]

which is scarier than any plague marine

[ruby sparrow]

Also for a bit of a shitpost we had an unfortunate situation with a certain chaos rune similarity

[crisp heath]

imagine just sending a genestealer to inconvenience him, and it creates a cult on a world causing an exterminatus

[crisp heath]

what is it?

[ruby sparrow]

Sorry sir. Basically one of the enemies has a paper on their gun and

https://tenor.com/view/spy-gif-22037253

[crisp heath]

that's weird

why is there a mark of slaanesh cultist, maybe chaos undivided at one point?

it looks faded

[crisp heath]

the fact that he had to explain his trolling to the necron high council is even funnier

there's a normal chaos icon above it

"erm yes I was...trolling dear Orikan"

lmao, I love Necrons

[ruby sparrow]

Anyways it could be where the stamp of the purity seal was torn off

But them being a slaaneshi spy is much funnier

[worn pagoda]

I'm glad this game taught me nightsiders exist.

[vocal drum]

today i learned this exists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFwAbnkp45w

More stories

[crisp heath]

weshammer?

mmm

short video man, I wish him no ill

[ruby sparrow]

Also uh

[vocal drum]

yeah idk who this is but he provides good lore im new to this universe

[ruby sparrow]

Ok so whats the controversy with archwarhammer and other lore channels

[crisp heath]

Bro james workshop created an entire library to publish their hundreds of lore and fluff books

[crisp heath]

edgy man, his discord screenshots are something else

[vocal drum]

fluff books? where is this library i can access

[crisp heath]

black library

[vocal drum]

what is that exactly

[crisp heath]

Well it's a storefront for their books but also thats what they call their published warhammer books

there's a lot, many out of print sadly

[ruby sparrow]

I can tbelieve the scab gunners a slaaneshi spy

[minor lance]

He's just an asshat, but he's so loveable.

[crisp heath]

@vocal drum

the lore...is very deep

I'd argue only star wars can match them in sheer output probably

so much stuff

[vocal drum]

what happened to that one overpowered tyranid that ate like a bunch of elder souls and killed a bunch of armies

did someone kil it or is it out there still?

@crisp heathfor sure i'll check it out

[ruby sparrow]

meet the spy

[crisp heath]

I think they're Chaos Undivided which explains this, you see the symbolism everywhere

[ruby sparrow]

I know

I just find it funny

[crisp heath]

nurgle corruption def but I'd imagine all the boys are here

oh yeah lol

imposter

[ruby sparrow]

wait isnt six also slaanesh's number

[crisp heath]

yes

[ruby sparrow]

heheh

Their holy number is 6

bit better crop?

[vocal drum]

also are chaos gods from the warp? if so can they ever leave and join their followers and lead a war on a aglaxy?

also wow

[normal stream]

They manifested in the warp from the energies of the younger psychically awakened races

[vocal drum]

theres people that actually live in the warp?

[normal stream]

It's important to remember that the warp and realspace aren't exactly two distinctly different realms, they used to be one until the C'tan walled off the warp to fight against the Old Ones.

[woeful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/tyranids-gif-25670393 can any lore experts confirm

if this is legit

[normal stream]

Not sure what the question is lol

AoC just worsens AP value

Mortal wounds ignore it

[crisp heath]

mortal wounds also ignore invulns

and also, yeah, tyranids have a shit ton of mortal wound spam

it's called neurothropes, zoanthropes, maleceptor, and last but not least

reaper of obliterax relic

on a flyrant

[elder tide]

Sort of. There’s the Eye of Terror which is a warpstorm/rift “people” live inside of

[normal stream]

Hey, chaos marines are people too.

.. Mostly.

😂

[elder tide]

Yup. They’re there too

[crisp heath]

also similar to real life storms the severity varies depending on where you are. Some areas are "fit" for habitation while others would tear non warp entities apart

[rustic spruce]

one of my buddies has a adverse reaction to seeing a tyranid prime, since i've abused him with it in multiple 40k video games.

[vocal drum]

the warp sounds more intense than the force

[normal stream]

Yep.

[vocal drum]

its like every emotion in a vacuum

[crisp heath]

the force but for assholes

[elder tide]

If you were to visit the Immaterium/warp where chaos lives these are the plains you’d generally be wandering

[normal stream]

But let's not go into the 40k vs {other scifi universe} hole 😂

[vocal drum]

no wonder people go crazy using its power but whatever happened to that one OP tyranid pyker

that ate all those souls

[arctic talon]

Doom of Malantai?

We dunno

But the neurothropes are derived from it

[rustic spruce]

he ate an infinity circuit

[vocal drum]

wow imagine that returned it has powers of warp + all those souls

[arctic talon]

Thing is missing

We don’t know where it fucked off to

[vocal drum]

honestly the people who made 40k universe

they made tyranids too OP/annoying

[normal stream]

Probs taking a nap somewhere

[arctic talon]

The nids are supposed to be

Absurdly strong

They’re the potential doom of the galaxy

[vocal drum]

necrons can stop them tho easily i bet

[arctic talon]

I mean

Yeah if they stopped fighting each other

And backstabbing each other

For political reasons

[dusk patrol]

Basically everyone could “win” or do way better without faction infighting

[vocal drum]

do tyranids fight eachother too?

[dusk patrol]

Eldar could probably fix a lot of their shit if Vect wasn’t an asshole

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Hive fleets basically just decide whose better

[vocal drum]

i thought they dont speak english/words tho?

[rustic spruce]

necrons can barely deal with the screaming green retards

[dusk patrol]

They don’t really

[vocal drum]

how do they talk then?

[arctic talon]

They don’t

[dusk patrol]

They don’t

They fight

[arctic talon]

Nids don’t talk

[ripe ravine]

except for orks cause orks is best (and infighting is how they function)

[dusk patrol]

And whoever survives was better

[arctic talon]

They do scream and roar

[dusk patrol]

Kinda, but they also would be absurdly powerful if they all convened

But yeah it’s also the antithesis to their point

[arctic talon]

If the orks were ever all united

Odds are galaxy is fucked

[normal stream]

Nids go nom nom nom

[dusk patrol]

See: War of the Beast

[arctic talon]

Good thing is that will never happen

[dusk patrol]

It not only wrecks everyone

[ripe ravine]

we are veering dangerously close to bringing up the War of the Be-shit

[dusk patrol]

But it also ruins the writing

[normal stream]

That happened before the nids arrived though

[dusk patrol]

Destroys the narrative

[normal stream]

So I'm very curious to see orks vs nids

[dusk patrol]

And they did a lot more

[ripe ravine]

bringing up war of the beast is illegal

[arctic talon]

Octarius

[rustic spruce]

we had the orks vs the nids

[arctic talon]

But the nids won

It was deadlocked for a bit

[vocal drum]

so who would really be the stronges if they worked together and had all their armies at max power

[arctic talon]

But the nids killed the war boss

[arctic talon]

Necrons

By far

[rustic spruce]

was swarmlord sent into the octarius war

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[toxic hedge]

necrons took on prime eldar and krork in their heyday

so necron fo sure

[arctic talon]

And it decapitated the overfiend of octarius

[vocal drum]

how do they kil gods tho

[toxic hedge]

and prime eldar and krork was insanely OP

[arctic talon]

The Necrons?

[rustic spruce]

didn't necrons almost die to the krork

[arctic talon]

They’ve killed gods before lol

[vocal drum]

how can technology kil gods , yes

[arctic talon]

Only because they shattered the C’tan

They were severely weakened

So they just went to sleep

[arctic talon]

Idk but the Necrons did it

They killed a C’tan

They killed the old ones

And they managed to fight the eldar gods

[rustic spruce]

they made the c'tan and then unmade the c'tan

[arctic talon]

They shattered the rest of the C’tan

Because killing that one guy

Damaged reality irreparably

So they stopped

[ripe ravine]

magic is just science we don't understand and necrons know all the science

[arctic talon]

^lol pretty much

The Necrons tech is so advanced

[fading bridge]

What spawns first from Ork spores, Orks or Gretchin?

[arctic talon]

It might as well be magic

[arctic talon]

Squigs

[minor lance]

This. It's not even close.

[arctic talon]

Necrons were by far the strongest race at their peak

Second strongest would be a contest between eldar and orks

Then humanity in 4th

[ripe ravine]

that's a part of their shtick though. necrons are crazy powerful but insane and mostly very sleepy

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[minor lance]

Reminder the Necrons are like... Barely awake right now.

[arctic talon]

Weakest race at their peak would be tau just by virtue of how young they are

[fading bridge]

The Tau do have the power to make combat so boring the Orks don't want to do it anymore

[minor lance]

The solution is to throw a Rok at them.

[normal stream]

Gods aren't immortal in 40k

[crisp heath]

eh

perpetuals are

[normal stream]

We've sorta discussed this here before but it seems that even the nature of a god in 40k is really jsut an exceedingly powerful being.

[crisp heath]

but that's because perpetuals are weird

the chaos gods arent immortal

[normal stream]

You could kill Perpetuals still

[arctic talon]

Perpetuals can have their souls erased

[crisp heath]

that takes a whole lot though

[normal stream]

Fulgurite

[arctic talon]

Or be given a final death via other means

[crisp heath]

Vulkan is a weird one

[normal stream]

Yeah, sure, but still not 100% immortal or invulnerable

[crisp heath]

is Vulkan alive? it depends on how GW feels

[normal stream]

I'm sure it took a whole lot to kill C'tan and Old Ones too

[crisp heath]

if he's relevant to the plot

[normal stream]

And it's sure taking a whole lot to kill slaanesh

[ripe ravine]

there isn't much distinction though between god and super powerful warp entity

[normal stream]

Exactly. Or even just super powerful entity.

[crisp heath]

C'tan cant die though, they had to be broken into shards

[normal stream]

C'tan were gods but weren't in the warp.

[ripe ravine]

yeah that's true

[crisp heath]

and C'tan shards cant die

we dont know what happens to them when they're defeated though

[normal stream]

They killed the Flayer

Who cursed them with the flayer virus

[crisp heath]

because C'tan shards can be defeated, but they arent necessarily dead

oh, that's terribly inconsistent

but that's GW lore for ya

[normal stream]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Llandu'gor

[crisp heath]

yeah

just looked it up

he was "utterly obliterated"

gotta love inconsistent lore

[fading bridge]

just ask 20 authors if a lasgun has recoil

[crisp heath]

cough cough alpha legion

[normal stream]

All that indicates is that it takes a lot to kill a C'tan, and the necrontyr only succeeded once.

[crisp heath]

and I love GW's excuse is though

[normal stream]

Don't think the lore ever stated that they can't be completely wiped out

[crisp heath]

"all the stories are canon, it's just if they're true or not"

and proceeds to retcon a shit ton of stuff

[crisp heath]

I thought I saw it somewhere

must be old lore

like usual

[normal stream]

IIRC the Blackstone Fortresses were built by Vaul to destroy the C'tan

By targeting the stars they inhabited

[crisp heath]

the c'tan dont inhabit stars anymore

they are slaves to the necrontyr

or well, the necrons

[normal stream]

Yeah, but before that

[crisp heath]

blackstone fortresses never exist in the war in heaven

or not that I know of

I thought blackstone fortresses were created by chaos

after the whole horus heresy

abaddon built them to enhance psychic powers

as blackstone can both diminish and enhance psychic powers

[normal stream]

Nope

[crisp heath]

it's why he went out searching for blackstone, and wanted Cadia, to take the pylons for himself

[normal stream]

Abaddon captured 3 in the Gothic War

[crisp heath]

who the hell made blackstone fortresses then?

[normal stream]

After the Crone gave him a vision to capture the Hand of Darkness and one other artifact

To control them

[arctic talon]

The blackstone fortresses aren’t chaos creations

[vocal drum]

also is it possible to conquer the warp? could tyranids conquer it and like eat the biomass there?

[arctic talon]

As far as we know

[normal stream]

Here's a hint - they're also called the Talismans Of Vaul 😉

[arctic talon]

No

[crisp heath]

ah, eldar god

[crisp heath]

no biomass in the warp

it's why hive fleet kronos exists

[normal stream]

Yeah, suspicion is Old Ones built it, too little too late.

[crisp heath]

daemons arent made of biomass

it's just a c'tan doesnt use psychic powers

or anything that blackstone would otherwise effect it

and necrons are just made of blackstone

[normal stream]

Uhhhh

[crisp heath]

so why make the fortresses to begin with

[normal stream]

No, necrons aren't made of the same Blackstone stuff

[vocal drum]

what is that? a hive fleet of tyranids in the warp or something?

[crisp heath]

no, they just deal with daemons

[normal stream]

Necrons were with the C'tan against the Old Ones and the Younger Races

[crisp heath]

they are made of blackstone though

noctilith

and even their tomb worlds

are made of this stuff

pylons are made of it

it's literally what the whole setting of the indomitus box set of 9th edition was about, the admech getting blackstone from necrons to study it

and the space marines were sent out

[normal stream]

I think they used the same term but weren't the same materials

[crisp heath]

that's dumb, so there's 2 different types of blackstone

because necron blackstone limits warp powers

[arctic talon]

It might be the same material

[crisp heath]

as known by the pylons

[normal stream]

It makes no sense that the Old Ones would use a material thats anathema to them.. In a warp-based weapon.

[arctic talon]

It can be used to amplify it as well

[crisp heath]

but it can also enhance warp powers

[arctic talon]

Blackstone is dual purposed

It can either be used to strengthen the warp

Or nullify it

[crisp heath]

even when c'tan wouldnt be effected cause they arent warp based

[normal stream]

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/752425.page

Ah

[normal stream]

They were blowing up sun's the C'tan used to sustain themselves

[arctic talon]

I wouldn’t take Dakka Dakka as canon

Unless they have a source

[crisp heath]

C'tan dont like the suns anymore though

it's why they ate the old ones souls and the necrontyr souls

I guess before then

[normal stream]

Agreed, but this one seemed unanimously agreed enough for me to believe it

[crisp heath]

if they were blowing up suns that makes sense

[vocal drum]

were necrons like humanoids before their metal form or something?

[crisp heath]

but when they got the living metal bodies

[normal stream]

(I used to be a dakka dakka regular for many years, if dakka agreed on something it's probably right)

[crisp heath]

yeah they were

[arctic talon]

Fair enough lol

[crisp heath]

they were the necrontyr

[normal stream]

Too many "but actually" people 😂

[crisp heath]

the lore of warhammer 40k is like I said, a convoluted nightmare

no one can agree with anything

even GW cant agree with their own lore

[normal stream]

There was a joke in the early 2010s that if you wanted the source material quoted and thrown in your face, you intentionally made a post that was very wrong. And someone would correct you.

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[crisp heath]

welcome to the 40k rabbit hole

[minor lance]

With a name like that I dunno what they expected

[crisp heath]

lmao

yeah, C'tan ate off sun energy, they dont like big frog people, I'm assuming big frog people didnt like them either and blew up suns? before the necrontyr got all hissy when frog people didnt grant them immortality

[normal stream]

Ahahah when did old ones become frog people

[crisp heath]

and the necrontyr made living metal bodies after discovering the c'tan, c'tan got addicted to souls after a necrontyr died because haha cancer planet

idk, memes

I call them frog people for the memes

because so many people call them that

they be frogges now

[normal stream]

Lololol

[crisp heath]

but yeah, c'tan likes souls, the deceiver made a deal with the silent king szarekh to make them immortal

blah blah, made them into war machines, blah blah, ate their souls

and whole war in heaven happened, frog people made eldar and krorks to fight them, still lost, c'tan ate almost all the old ones souls, the rest most likely fled to the immaterium or something we dont know

[normal stream]

It's like the thousand sons didn't learn from their mistake centuries later :p

[crisp heath]

Szarekh then fought the C'tan cause they were full of souls and didnt expect it

Necrons broke the C'tan into shards, enslaved them, then went nappy time until now in the 42nd millennium

silent king sent them to sleep and banished himself into deep space far outside the galaxy for his mistake

came back because of the Tyranid threat

done, end of story

[onyx sail]

im so lost

[toxic hedge]

unless you're a mega nerd you would be

[crisp heath]

they really didnt, now Ahriman is just going out to try and fix his mistakes

[normal stream]

That sounds familiar too

[onyx sail]

lmao

[crisp heath]

it's sad and funny how gf of robutt girlyman yvraine decided to just turn a rubric into a thousand son in front of ahriman, and chuck the dude into the webway

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[onyx sail]

wha

[crisp heath]

lore of the thousand sons, my favorite 40k chaos space marine legion

the ahriman books are pretty good, I recommend them

they gave him breastplate nipples

[onyx sail]

where is a good place to start with the lore?

[crisp heath]

uuuuuh

[toxic hedge]

luetin

so you dont have to read

[crisp heath]

the Infinite and the Divine

[normal stream]

Yvraine storyline is a big wtf

[crisp heath]

I always recommend this book because I love it so much

[toxic hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyPjE1Sn-Ts&ab_channel=Luetin09 <

[onyx sail]

oh a video

that might help me bc i know jack squat

[crisp heath]

I dont even know it lol, I just know that one thing from the Ahriman lore

oh the story of Big E

[onyx sail]

i love the tyrranids and the tau

[crisp heath]

the worst father ever

[minor lance]

Man was like "Damn I did a lil fucky wucky"

[crisp heath]

it's a great story on what to NOT to do as a father figure

[crisp heath]

"oops, that was not cash money of me"

[normal stream]

The biggest social commentary of 40k ever - bad parenting

Not about tyranny, bureaucracy, hypocrisy, nope. It's about bad parenting.

[crisp heath]

my friend is mean when it comes to 40k lore, when someone asks him what book to read or story for warhammer, he sends them the site to the daemonculabra, and I just tell him "you really know how to drive people away from this hobby dont you?"

[normal stream]

Hahahahaahahahah

[onyx sail]

whats that?

[crisp heath]

no

[onyx sail]

o k

[normal stream]

Is the next thing he recommends the Inquisition War series?

[crisp heath]

slaps, bad, dont ask, dont read

[onyx sail]

damn

[toxic hedge]

it's not even that bad compared to tyranid stuff

so overblown

[crisp heath]

he really does love the most fucked stories.. and yes, yes he does

[crisp heath]

tyranid stuff isnt that bad

tyranid lore summed up is just "we came to this planet, ate it, and left"

[normal stream]

Nom nom

[toxic hedge]

it's the manner of which they absorb and kill you

and drukhari stuff makes those things look like child's play

[normal stream]

And then they took a bit of a nap in between

[crisp heath]

it's just acid pools

tyranids go wakka wakka wakka wakka

[normal stream]

And macrophages eating away at your DNA via the air!

[crisp heath]

yay! :D

[normal stream]

I remember there was one bit of lore in the Octarius War that was like.. Even ork microspores were fighting with nid macrophages at the molecular level

[crisp heath]

druhkari really just built different... and their furniture is.. built different...

[normal stream]

They're different ok

Mom-dad slaanesh said so

[crisp heath]

the universes smallest war happening

[crisp heath]

dont mention she who thirsts or he who thirsts

whichever one slaanesh decides to be that day

[normal stream]

Bloodthirsty!

😂

[crisp heath]

Khorne is rapidly approaching your destination

[toxic hedge]

there was one time

Trazyn casually mentions Drukhari torture to a cryptek in his service, getting him to break the vow of his order. They scared soulless robots

[normal stream]

Wat

[crisp heath]

isnt there a story where Druhkari tried to torture a Necron?

[normal stream]

I want to see that

"hmm, he's just repairing all the damage"

[crisp heath]

the funniest part is

it was a warrior

so it had no personality or anything

[normal stream]

Ahahahahah