40k-lore-chat

[barren tapir]

So, everyone know that bolter is strong right? Well, what if i say that there is a weapon that is better than it, and that it isn't given to SM?

More case sensitive i think

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[celest dome]

Phosphore ?

[elder tide]

So anyways. Perpetuals. Do they exist in 40k? Like other than Chaos gods and Daemons. Would the Emperor be considered perpetual?

[celest dome]

Yes still exsit

And yes still considered to be one

[barren tapir]

Not the one i was thinking... But that checks out too... At least in 40K, in 30K i think they had access to it

[celest dome]

Small access but I think so

[elder tide]

Off the top of your head do you have an example of a perpetual? I didn't know they were a thing

[barren tapir]

The most active one i know is the grey knight

[celest dome]

Maybe the Dark Angel have a few still

Vulkan is one

[arctic talon]

Phosphor was never an astartes thing

They had phosphex

Which was way nastier

[dusk patrol]

Tbf, I was being a dick

[barren tapir]

It is the same thing

[dusk patrol]

Unintentionally

[arctic talon]

Phosphor isn’t phosphex

What

[barren tapir]

It is

[arctic talon]

It isn’t

[elder tide]

Oh yeah look at that. He's in the Horusy Heresey books too right?

[arctic talon]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Phosphex_Weapons

[barren tapir]

It is

[arctic talon]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Phosphor_Weapons

Literally completely different weapons

Phosphex doesn’t exist anymore aside from a few relics

[crude frost]

Saint Ollanius Pius

[dusk patrol]

Rare af

[celest dome]

Isn't Phosphex the same case as Promethium ? Where it's the same thing as Phosphor but less precise on how it work

[arctic talon]

No

[dusk patrol]

Phosphex is like

Living fire

Chemical fire

But it’s cold

[arctic talon]

Phosphex is sentient corrosive fire that hates you

[dusk patrol]

And it requires a vacuum to go out

[elder tide]

Ok. Second question. Anyone here familiar with Magnus? Backstory and such?

[dusk patrol]

It also doesn’t burn

It’s cold

[arctic talon]

Phosphor is just super napalm

[dusk patrol]

It’s weird

[nocturne jetty]

I wish we could fight Eldar in Darktide!

[celest dome]

Eldar wouldn't fit as a Tide

[dusk patrol]

Too strong

Mostly

[celest dome]

They would instead greatly fit as the playable character

[dusk patrol]

No

[crude frost]

They're xenos and need a good krumpin

[celest dome]

For their own game

[dusk patrol]

No Elgi in my space game

[nocturne jetty]

I dont even think it would Fit in DT a Eldar hero

lol

Most are Inquisition

.

[arctic talon]

Phosphex isn’t phosphor, the phosphex stc was destroyed and the phosphor stc still exists

Phosphor is standard issue to skitarii ranger alphas

Phosphex is so rare it’s a relic that’s almost never used

[storm jungle]

I dont want an eldar hero

[nocturne jetty]

lol

[storm jungle]

people will stop fighting amongst each other and be racist towards aliens instead

[celest dome]

An Eldar game with set character would be possible, but not in DT

[nocturne jetty]

I want to fight Eldar

[storm jungle]

i much like the class-fighting

makes me feel like im Caesar watching the Colosseum games

[celest dome]

You are a benevolent God, right ?

[storm jungle]

Uhh

i try to be

ish

[arctic talon]

[nocturne jetty]

We wont get also Playable Space Marines

[crude frost]

The wiki article you linked literally has the line "known in ancient times as Phosphex Weapons"

[nocturne jetty]

[barren tapir]

Though the technology to produce these weapons has been lost to the Imperium, surviving weapons are still utilized by the Skitarii.

For phospor

[arctic talon]

Phosphor isn’t phosphex

[barren tapir]

It is

[arctic talon]

It doesn’t act like phosphex

[nocturne jetty]

Also the Map were involved is STRICTLY to Imperium

[barren tapir]

It does

[arctic talon]

Phosphex doesn’t make things burn hot

Phosphor does

[nocturne jetty]

Will we ever Travel other Planets in DT

[celest dome]

Is someone willing to be burned by phosphor to test the heat ?

[arctic talon]

Also I linked the wiki bcs I was lazy I’ll pull up an actual source

[nocturne jetty]

Hmmm

[celest dome]

Maybe, no idea atm

[nocturne jetty]

Maybe we end up in World where nobody travels

LOL

[storm jungle]

Big probably if the game gets a sequel in 3-4 years

[celest dome]

Going to other planet doesn't bring much

[nocturne jetty]

Tyranoid Land

[storm jungle]

because the story by that point would grow past Tertium

but the DLC maps might take place on the nearby Moebian planets

[celest dome]

I don't think we'd leave the Moebian Domain

[storm jungle]

For game 1 deffo

Game 2 if it ever happens tho it will prob branch out

[nocturne jetty]

Rip

[crude frost]

Genestealer cults when?

[celest dome]

I don't think we'd have Darktide 2

[storm jungle]

but thats AWHILE off

[nocturne jetty]

Yeahh

[celest dome]

Rather have Dakkatide or something wholly separated

[nocturne jetty]

true

Will we ever fight more Chaos Enemies

or only Nurgle

[crude frost]

Darktide 2, darker and tidier than ever before

[celest dome]

Fighting other God devotee could be done with Dlc/Updates

[nocturne jetty]

Hmmm

[celest dome]

Like every 2 year introducing God variants and some specials fitting each of them

[nocturne jetty]

Tzenntch

Slannesh

KHORNE

Khorne sounds cool

Fights demons

[celest dome]

Like VT2 went on for now 4 years ? And they don't intend of canning it right now

[clever steppe]

Darktide 2 coming soon

[celest dome]

DT could be in development for more since it's made with such updates in minds

IIRC

[storm jungle]

Cant wait to kill the person behind the nurgle infestation just for Veteran to go

"Damn, you know he ain't gonna be in Darktide 2"

https://youtu.be/2NSMEjmq5uU

[celest dome]

I just want DT to be healthy, and not fall in the force everything in the setting in the game that happen to Ip games

Like if they continue their partnership with GW

They can keep Orks in reserve for another brand new game far in the future

[barren tapir]

I want DT to be a great game, sadly as now it still need lots of work to be such

But hey, it gave us new lore yay!

[arctic talon]

@barren tapir Here's my source and an exerpt Phosphor acts nothing like phosphex considering phosphex is a cloud and phosphor is a flame "The missile warheads were phosphex shells. A cloud of burning mist erupted at the far end of the fane. Currents roiled within it as streamers latched on to the movement of the Word Bearers. It crawled over them, covering them in the white-green flame. The cloud billowed down the central aisle and along the triforia. It moved like a living thing, leaping and crawling over its prey. It burned armour, stripping it away layer by layer until it devoured the flesh beneath. The Word Bearers’ barrage faltered as the phosphex cloud moved down the forwards half of the fane, a grasping hand of agonised death. The traitors tried to escape. Many stumbled blindly, human torches of chemical fire, and spread the horror with them."(ruinstorm)

and also an exerpt from the Cult Mechaicus codex

about phosphor

[dusk patrol]

Nemesis chapter liked that

[arctic talon]

"the heavy phosphor blaster mounted upon Kataphron Battle Servitors. The burning white spheres that shoot out from phosphor weapons cling tenaciously to their targets, sizzling wildly as they melt into flesh or burrow through armour and exoskeleton alike. More often than not, it is these luminagenic orbs that deal the death blow. Even if a target proves tough enough to survive the burning pain, the phosphorescent glow these spheres exude can guide an ally’s volley to strike the same target."

Globs

not gas

[barren tapir]

Phospor is balls, not exactly flames...

Oh, you found that out

[arctic talon]

They're different things

[barren tapir]

Ok, so next point is understanding that a bomb behave in a different way than a pistol can

[arctic talon]

Phosphor is not phosphex

Phosphex is literally described as a gas

that ignites things

[barren tapir]

It is, you might not like it, but it is the same thing in a different format

[arctic talon]

phosphor is usually depicted as a blob

then give me an exerpt from a book

saying they're the same thing

I want a source

[barren tapir]

A bomb cannot release globes, it release the substance in a gas form, the handheld weapons instead throw out globes that fracture on the impact and release the substance

[celest dome]

So is Phosphor/Phosphex like Plasma and Melta ?

[arctic talon]

give me a source that says they're the same thing

[barren tapir]

Plasma and melta are different things in the basic of how it works

[arctic talon]

Plasma is like irl plasma

melta is usually described as a beam of heat

or is shown as a consistant energy beam

or a shotgun of energy

[barren tapir]

Eh, i would gladly, but GW used the two names to indicate the same thing... But i can give you an example... Give me a sec

[arctic talon]

Thank you

Take your time

[barren tapir]

Is this a phopsex or a phospor pistol?

[arctic talon]

Its the phosphoenix

I think?

I think its a phosphor serpenta

actually

nvm

[slender orchid]

Eh what? I'll take "what is a claymore or fragmentation bomb/grenade for 200 Alex"

[arctic talon]

actually I have the fuckin codex that image is from I think

brb

[barren tapir]

Actually, you got it, it is a phospex weapon, but look at it and then loot at a phospor serpenta or even a phospor pistol

[celest dome]

Ad Mech weapon are so high class

[barren tapir]

They are the same, one is more embellished than the other though

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/5/5f/PhosphorPistol.jpg

These are phospor pistols btw

[arctic talon]

its the phosphoenix yeah

but nothing says

they're the same

they look similar

[barren tapir]

Now tell me, don't you see some similarity

[arctic talon]

I said they look similar

that doesn't mean they function the same way

[barren tapir]

Of course not, GW forgot how one was called and made a new name for the same thing

[arctic talon]

Especially when the phosphoenix

has very different rules

from the phosphor serpenta

[dusk patrol]

There’s lasguns that look like bolters

Doesn’t make them the same thing

[barren tapir]

But both have their mean of making lost

Both phospor and phospex have the same story, they were being made once, but now no more

Both are incendiary weapons know to burn through everything

[slender orchid]

From the admech codex guys "Phosphex Weapons were deadly incendiaries which usually take the form of a bomb or artillery shell containing a corrosive, toxic and flammable compound originally called phosphex that is nearly impossible to extinguish short of exposure to the void. They were used at times by the Imperial military forces of the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy eras in the late 30th and early 31st Millennia and were considered weapons of mass destruction.

Thankfully these rare and deadly armaments, now known as Phosphor Weapons, are used very sparingly within the arsenals of the Imperium of Man's military forces in the 41st Millennium, as only a limited and irreplaceable stock remains deployed among the Skitarii of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the siege armies of the Astra Militarum."

They are the same. Settle it?

[arctic talon]

Yep

thanks

[barren tapir]

Ta da

I guess it is the latest codex right?

[arctic talon]

I don't remember it

in the 9e codex

it might be in the 8e one

[barren tapir]

I have the 7th edition and don't remember it

[arctic talon]

that def isn't in the 7e one

Its prolly in the 8e one

[slender orchid]

7e. Last I have an electronic copy of

[arctic talon]

nvm then

[slender orchid]

In the skitaari section

[arctic talon]

guess I'm blind

my b

[barren tapir]

Weird, i have that too but didn't remember such passage

[arctic talon]

same lol

[barren tapir]

Anyway, i think now this is settled @arctic talon right?

[arctic talon]

ye

[barren tapir]

Have a nice day

[arctic talon]

u2

[barren tapir]

Or night, depending on the timezone

[arctic talon]

Nah it’s the middle of the day for me lul

[barren tapir]

Oh, and to return to the root of all this, no i wasn't referring to those incendiary weapons when talking about a stronger weapons that SM don't have

I like to see the guess

[arctic talon]

Arguably galvanic casters

And the solarite powerfists

Or whatever they’re called the custodes have

[celest dome]

Didn't the Dark Angels have some weird weapon

[weary trellis]

kruber is an ogryn

[arctic talon]

They have a lot of weird weapons

You’re gona have to be a bit more specific lol

[celest dome]

True

[barren tapir]

They were trusted with some of the more weird weapons, but their speciality was plasma

[celest dome]

Disintegration Weapon ?

[dusk patrol]

He might mean the one gun which like

Erased the existence of people

From the timeline

[celest dome]

Oh right it's a weapon they don't have

I suppose not a Xenos one though ?

Volkite ?

[barren tapir]

No no, i meant one that is an "imperial" one... It is of the galvanic family... And it is actually the basic one... The galvanic rifle...

[arctic talon]

The gun that erased people from the timeline is the adarthic weapons I think

Wait

Nvm

[pastel schooner]

so, I know that people are talking about wanting a Techpriest class, but I think a Nightsider would be a good class for basically being a living flashbang & being able to, for example, detect enemies in the dark

[crisp heath]

Wouldn't a Nightsider be more of a new archetype entirely?

[pastel schooner]

Nightsiders are a kind of abhuman

who excell in dark spaces or tunnel combat, due to not needing to use their eyes

[crisp heath]

Yeah, that'd be a new archetype.

But, you know, rule of cool is always a thing

[celest dome]

They don't really bring anything new (Gameplay wise)

[crisp heath]

I wouldn't also be surprised if its juts a selectable class for any of the existing archetypes

[barren tapir]

They also lost them iirc, or they have them bulbous or something, the eyes i mean

[pastel schooner]

yep! some may even have luminous appendages, which is where I got the idea of them acting as a living flashbang that can, for example, stun a horde to give allies breathing room

[celest dome]

However their physical attributes (including oversized eyes to no eyes at all, colourless or transparent skin, luminous appendages, etc.) have made them reviled and mistrusted by the very people they seek to serve

[pastel schooner]

yyep

[barren tapir]

Eh, i would prefer to have noctan as homeworld honestly

Always disliked glowing ghouls... Oh, wait, that is a different setting

[pastel schooner]

plus, I think shining some light on a species of abhuman that would absolutely work in the close corners of a Hive City would be a good thing!

[ruby sparrow]

So some worrying runes i found

[formal kestrel]

GF asks "Why no Ogryn females?"

[ruby sparrow]

I think this guide is related to fantasy but some of these runes still check out

[celest dome]

The runes are the same

But we face some Chaos Lords

already

[ruby sparrow]

some others I dont know

[pastel schooner]

we also face Daemonhosts
which is bad, because you need a very specific tome to actually make a daemonhost properly

[barren tapir]

Because we don't really have source for them to know how they looks like, we know they exist, but we don't have models nor art of them... Well, official art at least

[ruby sparrow]

also the guide im using for refrence. might be accurate, might not be

some of the more close to worrying ones ive seen are...

[worn pagoda]

Seeing how your screen freezes at the edges near a daemonhost got me thinking.

About the devs adding some small warp phenomena to the psyker when they reach the upper 90s peril.

Freezing on the screen. Howls. Weird shit.

[formal kestrel]

Thank you ;(o.o)/

[worn pagoda]

Imagine your screen freezes over and you hear a sound like a tea kettle whistling.

[ruby sparrow]

if anyone can find a better guide on chaos runes, tell me

theres also the text runes but I dont have the time to translate those

This is either eye of god or something else, i'm not 100% sure though

but not sure what the swirl is

[celest dome]

Source ?

[ruby sparrow]

wawait no

Misread that

i deny all allegations that I have been performing rituals to make daemonhosts

[pastel schooner]

"The knowledge of how to create a Daemonhost is very hard to acquire. Besides being considered heresy of the highest order by the Imperium (outside the Inquisition, one could be executed for even knowing of the existence of such abominations), the information is simply not widely known and even less widely distributed.

Some particularly devoted Chaos Cultists or sorcerers may research Daemonhost creation, but their work is often fragmentary, or even dangerously flawed. Only the desperate or insane would trust their mad scribblings.

A scant few tomes do include detailed -- and somewhat reliable -- instructions. These books are filled with malefic and daemonic lore, and are often very rare and very, very old. Some may have even been inscribed when the Emperor still walked on Terra."

[celest dome]

So there are incomplete Daemonhost

Which are more prevalent

[ruby sparrow]

Also, the rune for chaos weapon shoes up a lot on the broadcast mission

[celest dome]

And are what we most likely face

[pastel schooner]

or they contain lesser daemons

[celest dome]

Or both

[pastel schooner]

maybe!

though I haven't heard of incomplete Daemonhosts before

[celest dome]

Some particularly devoted Chaos Cultists or sorcerers may research Daemonhost creation, but their work is often fragmentary, or even dangerously flawed

[ruby sparrow]

we see this a lot

[pastel schooner]

chaos weapon...

maybe it refers to the daemonhosts, or something else?

[ruby sparrow]

Theres also written chaos runes But I havent taken the time to translate them

[pastel schooner]

please keep going! this is good stuff

[ruby sparrow]

theres runes on enemies too

[celest dome]

Might be Were

like the Skinwolf

[ruby sparrow]

someone pin this?

[crude frost]

That symbol under irrational hatred and blood rage looks an awful like a....

[ruby sparrow]

I know it looks like a cock

[crude frost]

And balls

[celest dome]

That's just Nurgle's rune

[ruby sparrow]

runes on the shotgun. lets see if I can translate. hm... Ph L Aa Gu ii Rh AA VAAGz Rh O T/Tz Dh II AA T H

[celest dome]

The 1st one look a lot like the Familiar rune, just without the horns

I'd say it's just mean person

[ruby sparrow]

Thing is it would be much easier to read these fuckers if theyd just stand still

[rustic spruce]

How hard is it for a greater daemon to manifest in the materium

[ruby sparrow]

Dh ii AA TH T O T H II F AA L S II iiM Ph II rh o r

Bh/b ak Gh N Rh Aa N I/ ee Rh ? F AA M tz EE ?

[storm jungle]

yeah its just gibberish

[ruby sparrow]

Some arent but

also the enemy designs actually have variation

r

[ruby sparrow]

This one can translate to "Death to the false emperor"

A line which enemies sometimes yell out

[broken echo]

So Yarrik is ||dead|| and the main question most people have is how will the orks, specifically ghazkull, react to the news. But what if the orks refuse to **believe ** that yarrik is dead as that hoomie is too brutally kunning and kunningly brutal to be ||dead||, and as a result yarrik just ||comes back to life||.

[storm jungle]

They wont care

Ghazghkull and Yarrick weren't best friends

[ruby sparrow]

also the big funny

[ruby sparrow]

Thing is orks RESPECT him

they're not friends, but for orks to RESPECT someone...

[storm jungle]

They dont respect Yarrick tho

most you get is some boyz are scared of him which literally anyone can manage

[ruby sparrow]

huh

thought orks had some sort of "I respect you as an enemy" deal

[broken echo]

That's practically the closest thing to "best friends" and ork can have, a true rival they respect

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

At best they were just rivals, since hes dead Ghaz will just look for the next big game

[broken echo]

From what I've heard that is the case, though when it comes to orks I could be very wrong

[ruby sparrow]

That or ghaz will get REAL salty

"He was mine to kill"

because to be fair

that would be pretty in character for heehee funny orkz

[dusk patrol]

It is, although its one sided.

Yarrick hates Ghaz, but Ghaz respected Yarrick a lot and enjoyed having him as an opponent since he understood Orks so well.

[broken echo]

Whatever happens, whether it's orks getting salty and pissed or upset and vengeful, ghazkull will do something epic... though I find the idea of yarrik being resurrected by ork belief hilarious

[dusk patrol]

Ghaz wanted a proper fight, and he intentionally spared Yarrick's life and sent him back to the Imperium.

[dusk patrol]

Not how the gesalt field works.

That's just memes

[broken echo]

true...

[dusk patrol]

Really annoying and should be dead by now memes.

[broken echo]

ahh my bad

[dusk patrol]

Its not your fault, I more blame dipshit content creators

It just gets old seeing the same thing over and over.

[plush mason]

didnt Ghaz literally give him a shuttle and let him leave after they captured him once?

[dusk patrol]

They definitely respect Yarrick

[storm jungle]

yeah because he wanted him to lead the fight otherwise it would be a boring war

[dusk patrol]

Its Ork respect, but they definitely see him as like, the ultimate enemy and human

[storm jungle]

^

[plush mason]

ye

they respect him, but in the ork way

[dusk patrol]

I think its fair to say Ghaz considered him a "friend" in the way Orks do and respected him a lot.

It was one sided obviously

[plush mason]

"gud enemies iz hard ta find"

[broken echo]

If I remember correctly, it depends on a massive number of orks believing in the same thing in order for minor changes to reality to occur. Things such as their machines working or colours affecting things because all orks across the galaxy believes these, but doesn't just allow reality to be completely thrown out the window because a couple orks think something

[dusk patrol]

Although Yarrick definitely respected Ghaz too

[dusk patrol]

Its more like reality lubricant

So like, things won't break down as much.

Shots will make their mark better.

[broken echo]

That is a weird way of phrasing it but perfectly fits

[dusk patrol]

An ork doing a crazy dive with his plane will actually manage it without fucking it up.

Stuff like that.

But all their stuff still works.

Its just the gesalt field gives them almost a luck.

So it won't like, make an Ork fire an extra round if he runs out.

But it will make his gun much less likely to jam.

[plush mason]

iirc Sanquinius had a some what similar ability

[normal stream]

Reality lubricant is such a good framing haha

[frigid oxide]

whats the 73.7 tattoo mean?

[normal stream]

Is he actually?

Did they confirm it?

[plush mason]

the 73 seems to have something to do with the prison ship

[broken echo]

From what I'm aware it's been confirmed in a codex, but no details on their death have been confirmed

[storm jungle]

Yeah he has a full death report

but like

its SUPER propaganda'ly worded

[broken echo]

Though I've heard a lot of people mention Angron

[storm jungle]

it doesnt even say how he died

I posted it here, let me get it

[plush mason]

ye how Yarrick actually died will likely be part of a book GW has in the works

[normal stream]

The WC article even stated that it's uncertain if it should be believed

So

[storm jungle]

DE GLORIA YARRICK

Being the [REDACTED] file of [REDACTED] issued to officers in the [REDACTED] war zone. The following document is to be disseminated to all ranks. Receiving and understand the following testimony issued by the Divisio Mortis of the Officio Prefectus is compulsory. Your Commissar will shortly disperse the expanded, approved version for senior officers. Yours with fealty, [REDACTED].


>> Gravitas maximus, Ministorum sub-amenda.

Know you, all, that the Bell of Lost Souls has rung this chromosegment, for the loss of a great hero of the Astra Militarum is a loss to humanity.

Know you, all, that the Hero of Hades Hive, the Most Glorious and Righteous Commissar Yarrick, S. , was the Savior of Armageddon during the First War, Traitors' words did he heed not; unmasked was the planet's heretic governor. When a xenos beast the size of Hades itself dared take the Commissar's arm did the noble duelist cleave the creature's head in twain and take the war prize of his own. And were the xenos driven to flee.

Know you, all, that at in the fame of the Orks' return during the Second War did Commissar Yarrick sally forth once more to Armageddon. There did he bestride the ash like a giant. No xenos ploy escaped his gaze, soldier-true forgot his duty. And did the Beast flee once more.

Know you, all, that when war once more rattled  its sabre, when base creatures blew the brazen-horn of conflict, did Commissar Yarrick, unfettered by fear, march again in the Emperor's service.

Know you, all, that the God Emperor, in His infinite and manifest wisdom has decreed that at last may his loyal servant lay down his physical weapons, for such mundane duties are beyond him. Now is the servant's task created anew, the fire of his soul flaring like the heart of Sol. Now does the God-Emperor charge him at his side, to enter the greater war - for such is he now made ready.

Operation report Mun/Pre-II4 882// Posession, trade and solicitation of memento mori [osseus or otherwise] is hereby forbidden amongst all ranks. Ministorum exemptions apply. 9092xx

The biggest hint that its Angron that does the job is Armageddon still fighitng khornates since forever

[normal stream]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/15/warhammer-community-investigates-could-commissar-yarrick-actually-be-dead/

[storm jungle]

And also the warcom article

yep

Most likely going to be covered in a book

[normal stream]

It's remiss to post the death report without the full context.

"This wouldn’t be the first time Commissar Yarrick has been reported dead."

"Could it be that he isn’t dead at all? The Imperium has a proud history of factual creativity,** and after the supposed-but-not-actual death of Marneus Calgar on Vigilus boosted morale, it’s entirely possible they’re trying it on again."

[broken echo]

If it was Angron who did it, I hope they got a Rylanors last stand treatment

[storm jungle]

Hes just a random human Angron can kill in a single slap so

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-manhattan-disintegrated-rorschach-watchman-gif-18353996

[plush mason]

is the new guard codex out or not?

[slender orchid]

Yeah... Yarrick has never even dueled Ghazghull. His big fight was against a boss nob. He cannot "fight" Angron any more than an ant can fight a space marine.

[normal stream]

Yeah like that character that became a bloodstain on kharn's windshield while charging lol

[slender orchid]

Yes. Part of the new Cadia Stands box. No independent release yet.

[plush mason]

ok so i guess its that codex that has confirmed Yarrick's death?

[storm jungle]

Yeah its in the codex

[plush mason]

k

[storm jungle]

Posted the whole thing here

as said before its super obscure intentionally

[plush mason]

ye that i know, im just getting confused as it seems a lot of people dont know his death is now confirmed

[normal stream]

"confirmed"

Read the Warhammer Community article that casts doubt on it

[plush mason]

that is fair, the death report is vague as hell and could be fake

[normal stream]

What is confirmed is there's a department munitorum death report, and the departmento has also issued those wrongly in the past

[plush mason]

"wrongly"

[normal stream]

^

[normal stream]

^

[plush mason]

no i mean they likely did not issue them as a mistake

[normal stream]

They have issued them as a mistake before, iirc it happened with Cain

[storm jungle]

Less fake more just

what Versi said

or

He died so horrifically that they are covering it up

[normal stream]

Or he got collected by Trazyn and he's now MIA

[storm jungle]

Alas if only

[normal stream]

So they have to say something about where he is

[plush mason]

it could be propaganda just to boost moral/give the guard another martyr to fight for while Yarrick is just MIA

hell he could be sick or something

[slender orchid]

There was a fan written short story of Old Yarrick touring the front line, going to use a field latrine, falling in and dying.

[normal stream]

Maybe the duder's just taking a break on a resort world somewhere

[plush mason]

that could be but that seems out of character for him afaik

he is old as shit tho so he may be undergoing some heavy rejuvenation treatments or something

[crisp heath]

So like our characters could easily kill a space marine, right?

[ruby sparrow]

A single space marine? maybe.

not easily, would be a boss

but might be doable

[crisp heath]

It should be pretty easy right, since we’re killing beasts of nurgle and daemonhosts

Plus we’re armed with things like plasma guns psykers and ogryns

[storm jungle]

It wouldnt be that hard yeah

just same as the Traitor Captain aka a bullet-sponge

[prime tapir]

I’d rather face a space marine than any other of the monstrosity classes in the game.

The rejects are stroooong

[ornate umbra]

Never done any 40k stuff before. Why the Psyker seem to hate the imperum so much?

[ruby sparrow]

aka chainsword victim

[ruby sparrow]

Basically psykers, due to religious zeal from the imperium and their powers involving tampering with the forces of chaos and basically doxxing themself to any horible entities from the warp, are dangerous. and are seen as witches and active dangers

usually

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Loner is the only one who actively hates the Imperium and its bureaucracy

He actively also hints he/she has lived in slums and seen the Imperium's brutality on the underhive and the way it functions firsthand

[prime tapir]

They imperium is a theocratic facist state that slaughters people like the psyker as if they were not much different from cattle.

The psyker’s perspective is weirdly enough the most reasonable one.

[ruby sparrow]

some are sanctioned, but psykers are, quote, "One weird moment away from a bullet being put in their heads, at all times"

[crisp heath]

They’re also communist

[ornate umbra]

Isn't the emperor a psyker though?

[ruby sparrow]

To play devils advocate, psykers are quite dangerous to those around them.

thats the funny thing

its irony.

[broken echo]

Because they're often hated for just existing, and killed a lot more often with minimal provocation. Plus the vast majority of psyker's don't end up working for the imperium, they instead end up as half ocncious batteries to power gelar fields or blended up to fuel the golden throne.

[prime tapir]

They’re not communist lmao

[plush mason]

hypocrisy is the highest virtue in the imperium

[ruby sparrow]

in ALL fairness, psykers ARE pretty dangerous, even if not intending to be so

[storm jungle]

They are but like

have you read how the Black Ships are like

[ruby sparrow]

Because them doing psyker stuff basically Doxxes themself to the warp and all the horrors in it

[ornate umbra]

neat so phenomenal cosmic power, and phenomenal cosmic horror all at once.

[storm jungle]

the confined psykers are restrained in such a way that you literally sit in your own bodily waste the entire journey and are constantly flashed with lights and deafened by loud noises in your cell as to cause you to have maximum discomfort and never sleep during the voyage to terra.

[ornate umbra]

WAIT WAIT WAIT, they put pskers in machines to be batteries?

[broken echo]

Yes, though to be honest the imperium by and large doesn't seem to do what the emperor wanted (as the emperor can't say no) since the emperor isn't a massive xenophobe and they didn't want to be considered a god

[ruby sparrow]

life support for the emperor

[plush mason]

GW: the imperium is evil and not meant to be anything but
that weird part of the community: fuck you they are the good guys

[ruby sparrow]

I mean, the emperor is somewhat xenophobic probably but not to the extremes of the imperium

[ornate umbra]

is that what the healing station thing is?

[ruby sparrow]

Nah

thats a servitor

[ornate umbra]

i thought it was some kind of weird robot

[ruby sparrow]

Servitors are basically using people as organic machines with brain computers, right @storm jungle

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

Ye

[ruby sparrow]

isnt that how servo skulls work too

[storm jungle]

they basically do simple tasks

[ruby sparrow]

because Ai is forbidden

[storm jungle]

ye

[ornate umbra]

wow warhammer humans are evil

[ruby sparrow]

so they get around it by using human brains

[ornate umbra]

why are we playing as them?

[storm jungle]

You got no idea

[ruby sparrow]

Thing is the AI DID exist

[broken echo]

The gelar fields used for somewhat stable trips through the warp depend on psykers (and I don't think they're willing or fully there in the head). Might also be the same for navigation.

[storm jungle]

posterboy faction

[ruby sparrow]

because most factions are evil

to some extent

[storm jungle]

Imperium is the worst with chaos

its the entire reason the galaxy is a shithole

[plush mason]

all* not most

[ruby sparrow]

Ahem. tau

er

fuck

tau evil

[crisp heath]

How

[storm jungle]

Do you like

know what communism is

[broken echo]

All factions, to an extent, are evil and messed up.

[storm jungle]

lmao

[ruby sparrow]

Sorry, communism tends to lower rank and such and has welfare, to some extent, and- it doesnt have nobility systems

in theory

[crisp heath]

I know it’s bad, and the imperium is bad

[storm jungle]

Communisn isnt bad

its the people that utilize it that always fucked it up

[ruby sparrow]

Flaming, Communism in theory isnt bad

[crisp heath]

Ladies and gentlemen we got em

[ornate umbra]

So the imperium is doing exactly what the emperor didn't want them to do, and the emperor himself is a slowly rotting lemon with his ass welded to a golden chair that eats magic people to keep him undead. Am i getting this right?

[storm jungle]

Rip

[ruby sparrow]

its just that its exceptionally easy to fuck up

[broken echo]

It's just a very flawed and disfunctional ideology that crashed and burned

[bold stag]

me on my way to use the medicae station but it costs 100k credits per use

[storm jungle]

Probably because its not a system that works with humans

[ruby sparrow]

its like how capitalism in theory isnt bad

[storm jungle]

because we are selfish and assholes

we always pick the best alternative in mind usually

[prime tapir]

• Property is not collectively owned in the imperium.
• There is no classless hierarchy. (If anything the class differences are more pronounced)

[crisp heath]

I actually blame insurance scams for this problem

[plush mason]

nah its bad in theory too, unless you are at the top

[ruby sparrow]

Nah thats an american thing

er

The medicae system

[crisp heath]

My brother in Christ, you are the property of the collective in the imperium

[ruby sparrow]

It's more of a theocracy if anything.

[plush mason]

ye

[ornate umbra]

Only large scale. communism in it's intended form works fine for a small commune or a village, but once the logistics of a nation get involved it falls apart.

[ruby sparrow]

Where the church is in charge

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah

[ornate umbra]

or even a second village

[storm jungle]

way too many wants and needs

we arent built that way

[crisp heath]

We aren’t identicle machines

[ruby sparrow]

Anyways, back to lore instead of politics, psykers, IIRC, basically do magic by messing with the warp and using that to mess with reality

Correct?

[broken echo]

Even the Tau, who praise the "greater good" and what not, function on a society based on caste systems and extreme dependence on the ethereals to bizzare extents. Nothing in the 41st millennium is "good"

[storm jungle]

Yes

[storm jungle]

To be fair

[naive oyster]

And are super dangerous if left alone

[storm jungle]

thats just people comparing them to china

because uh

asian aesthetic

and thats it

[ornate umbra]

Can they do stuff other than explode brains?

[ruby sparrow]

But doing so is psychologicly straining and invites all sorts of warp fuckery to come knocking

[storm jungle]

Heres the entire list

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Psychic_Powers

[ruby sparrow]

I've oddly seen more people compare them to japan

[ornate umbra]

is that what the peril mechanic in game is?

[broken echo]

But the caste thing and depence on etherials is a part of their lore if I remember correctly?

[ruby sparrow]

probably

[bold stag]

darktide psyker needs some "enhanced" voicelines like the dawn of war psyker ones like: forward men! which is heard thru the soldiers minds as well

[storm jungle]

Yeah more or less, and the propaganda'ish angle their government makes

[ruby sparrow]

basically, psyker shit isnt healthy. and it also invites things from the warp to come knocking.

[ornate umbra]

neat, i want a pet cosmic horror

[naive oyster]

Unsanctioned Psyker can attract Daemons or worse things from the Warp like Enslavers.

[bold stag]

gonna summon a demon just to beat its ass back into the warp

[ruby sparrow]

Such as, daemons and stuff, (hehee funny possession), enslavers,...

[ornate umbra]

I will love him and hug him and name him George.

[crisp heath]

How did the old ones die off and don’t say the enslavers did them in

[prime tapir]

Goes for all kinds of govenments kinda haha, we throw away more food now than what we’d need to solve world hunger.

[ruby sparrow]

I think too much psyker shit at once can also get the tyrranids attentions?

[ruby sparrow]

Big fucking war with necrons

[storm jungle]

You can get familiars/pets that increase your psychic powers too

[ornate umbra]

whats a tyrranid?

[crisp heath]

That’s an issue if geography and time

[storm jungle]

Cats included!

[broken echo]

Best you'll get is
1: An enslaver... Yeah we don't want these back
2: A nurgling (so prepare for hospital bills to skyrocket)
3: A Slaanesh "pet"... Yeah noooooo
And these are the best case scenarios

[storm jungle]

Ignore the chat.

Read the lexi:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tyranid

[ruby sparrow]

Tyrranids are space bug things with a hivemind, organic ship fleets, genetic adaptability...

[crisp heath]

So basically the flood?

[broken echo]

Bug hivemind

[ornate umbra]

So they're the things froms tarship troopers?

[ruby sparrow]

similar, but not infesting things. -

[crisp heath]

But kinda weaker

[ruby sparrow]

flaming

please do not start this argument

[prime tapir]

And an issue of will —there’s little incentive on the free market to feed those who can’t pay for it.

[crisp heath]

What arguement

[ornate umbra]

Halo V 40k

that one

[crisp heath]

It has absolutely nothing about the metric fuckton of logistical issues

[ruby sparrow]

Yeah that one is one which commonly comes up and just is done to death

[broken echo]

Tyranids are a rapidly evolving hivemind that, unlike every other faction, have no goals, motivations or ideals. They simply desire to evolve and survive by consuming all biomass.

[crisp heath]

This isn’t that though it’s just the flood vs tyrannies

Tyranids

[ruby sparrow]

its still halo lore vs 40k lore

[crisp heath]

Autocorrect

So the Imperium of Man views cannibalism as an aspect of chaos but they eat corpse-starch. So does that mean they are okay with cannibalism as long as it is their version of Kosher?

[naive oyster]

Tyrranids are also an extra-galactic threat arriving from where else.

[ruby sparrow]

Corpse starch is more processed

[storm jungle]

Cannibalism is looked down upon but is either mostly allowed or you can get executed for it

[plush mason]

so, wtf is the five the psyker sometimes mention?

[ornate umbra]

Note to self, if Isekeid, don't go to 40k universe.

[crisp heath]

Has that one come up in this chat

[ruby sparrow]

theres only 4 major chaos gods

[crisp heath]

Hm. Good to know.

[broken echo]

Don't space marines also cannabalise things? Isn't one of their special organs entirely for cannibalising allies?

[ruby sparrow]

Flaming, are you. intentionally trying to start the funny 40k vs halo argument

when we can avoid it

[crisp heath]

I’m just asking if it shows up in this channel a lot

[prime tapir]

The current imperium is founded on the writing of a arch-heretic daemon prince.

It is hypocritical at its core and there’s plenty of these little oddities.

[naive oyster]

Most likely the Five Psychic Disciplines.

Biomancy
Divination
Pyromancy
Telekenisis
Telepathy

[crisp heath]

We did the Spartan vs space marine one a while ago

[ruby sparrow]

probably not, but powerscale comparisons tend to devolve into shouting matches

[ornate umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-just-nasty-will-smith-men-in-black-close-bye-gif-17648930

[crisp heath]

You’d be surprised

[ruby sparrow]

often

if its done well, great

[crisp heath]

People in this server are pretty reasonable

[ruby sparrow]

Fair nuff

[broken echo]

I haven't heard the psyker mention it as of yet. Can you give an example of one of these lines?

[ruby sparrow]

but by their own merits, tyranids are a massive threat because they: Essentially DDOS any warp based communication, (haha funny hivemind spamming the collective conciousness or something) , can travel ftl without warp travel...

[ornate umbra]

Let's do a power scale comparison no one ever asked for. 1 space marine without armor and with only a knife for weapons vs 1 million ducks.

[crisp heath]

Makes sense. It just made me wonder thinking about oddities like that and how 40K can borrow from our religions.

[plush mason]

sadly no i was playing with my friend when his psyker mentioned it. he picked the loner voice if that matters

[crisp heath]

yes

[prime tapir]

Where does the marine spawn? In the middle of the flock or at its edge?

[crisp heath]

space marines can cannibalize

[crisp heath]

One million ducks kill the space marine with the sheer weight of their corpses

[ornate umbra]

40 yards away the space marine ate the last piece of bread on the planet

[broken echo]

Hmm, that makes it even weirder that I haven't heard this line then. The only thing "the five" brings to my mind is chaos god entities but that would have to include the current 4 and the 5th, now uncannon, one.

[prime tapir]

Then my money is on the space marine as they can just win through attrition, waiting out starvation/exhaustion.

[ruby sparrow]

Also one of the psyker lines (From male psyker) refers to their "beloved" as "he"

[ornate umbra]

fair enough

[broken echo]

Their beloved is the god emperor

So it'd be the same for both

[prime tapir]

But if he’d start in the middle they could just ball up on him and cook him to death with collective body temp.

Or weight

[crisp heath]

The weight is what would do it

Smother the space marine to death

[crisp heath]

Tfw Psykers are actually in a harem with Big E.

[broken echo]

One thing that confuses me about the insane psykers, do they believe the emperor is also a part of their "dream" or is their beloved outside of the dream?

[prime tapir]

My favourite piece of obscure lore with weirdly big implications are the radiant worlds.

Imperial Worlds positioned in the warp directly under the astronomican’s light to avert the ruinous powers.

We don’t know what the emperor is doing with them. But I’d imagine it’s where the imperial daemons are created.

[plush mason]

ok he said he has the seer and that his psyker doesnt mention the 5 so i must have misremembered the whole event lol

[broken echo]

"imperial daemons" now what in the name of the omnissiah dark gods c'tan greater good emperor warp are those!?

[barren tapir]

Wow, this is a weird way to expose new lore dropped with bequin novel series uh...

[broken echo]

If "imperial daemons" are a thing then the imperium of humanity just became far more interesting

[plush mason]

the legion of the damned

and the living saints

many in the community have theorized that they are the daemons and greater daemons of the emperor respectively

[barren tapir]

It is less them being a thing and more a title that it is used to indicate entities that are linked to the warp and big E

[plush mason]

ye

[barren tapir]

A quote from eldar about the legion of the damned is also used as strong point to call them "imperial demons"

[prime tapir]

I dunno, I read about it in talon of horus

[barren tapir]

Aahh, i thought you were referring to something new...

[plush mason]

?

[ruby sparrow]

f

grabbing rune pics

[plush mason]

oh

[ruby sparrow]

mid session so I have to be quick

@plush mason heres one of the things I wanted to point out

[plush mason]

?

[ruby sparrow]

Those runes say "Chaos weapon, Beast of nurgle, Biting tongue"

and thats the tongue of a beast of nurgle

[rich vale]

There have been subtle references in Vermintide as well to additional chaos gods (Possibly malal, but fantasy has like a dozen minor chaos gods)

[plush mason]

ahhhhh

[broken echo]

I've always wondered why the skaven were never added to 40k. From what I know, fantasy fans love them so wouldn't it make sense to introduce them to 40k (plus didn't they introduce beastmen in the form of abhumans)

[rich vale]

Well, 40k is not the same as Fantasy

And the Great Horned rat I don't think is canon

For like 40 years the 40k equivalent of dwarves were extinct (A stupid decision imo)

[ruby sparrow]

also, phonetic rune translation guide

[rich vale]

I'm glad they're back now.

[ruby sparrow]

(Fantasy) symbol rune translation

if theres a 40k symbol guide seperate from this let me know

[broken echo]

True, though there's definite overlap. From the eldar to the stoats? (I have no clue what their deal is other than they're dwarves) beastmen abhumans, and tomb Kings essentially being fantasy necrons

[rich vale]

Its Squats

[normal stream]

Bring back the zoats

[rich vale]

But yeah, there's a lot of overlap. It's weird what they want to overlap and what they don't

[broken echo]

Oh right squats. Didn't they become uncannon at one point? I tried to look into what their thing is and got nothing

[rich vale]

No, they became extinct

[normal stream]

No, they just disappeared for a bit

[rich vale]

Tyranids wiped them out

[broken echo]

Ah, haha

[ruby sparrow]

Space skaven are real.

[rich vale]

It happened like 40 years ago or something like that, so they've been gone for ages

[ruby sparrow]

(I have a running joke of insisting the space skaven are real)

(There is no confirmation of 40k skaven)

[broken echo]

But seriously, what is their whole deal? Are they just abhumans? Their own species/faction separate to humanity? What makes them unique other than "small n grump"

[ruby sparrow]

(however there is no proof that they dont exist)

[rich vale]

They're a separate species iirc, but they're close enough to humans that the Empire had good relations with them

[broken echo]

Interesting

So as their own species, what makes them special

[ruby sparrow]

?

[rich vale]

Basically the same stuff as dwarves

Industrial, hardy

I don't think they had super unique tech like the Eldar

[broken echo]

Hmm. Bit underwhelming, hope they atleast have a neat design and theme.

[storm jungle]

A lot of races already have their niche

and they never really translated well enough

[rich vale]

Yeah, the lore on them is wonky because of how old they are

[ruby sparrow]

witchfinder, is this ok seeing as theorycrafting is also a general channel now

[storm jungle]

its alright but dont spam it too much

[rich vale]

Hell, the lore can't even decide if they're actually aliens or humans. It describes every species, including humans as believing them on one occassion to be abhumans, and on others xenos

[ruby sparrow]

Just taking images and doing translations. only reason It gets a bit spammy is that I'm posting them so I can get back to darktide.

because, you know, I'm taking screen snippets from a horde based shooter

[storm jungle]

It can

squats have always been humans

lmao

[rich vale]

Ehh not from what I'm reading

[storm jungle]

They are humans

it literally says it

[rich vale]

It describes them as both

[storm jungle]

No lmao

[rich vale]

Abhumans and xenos

[storm jungle]

They arent aliens

[dusk patrol]

Its just a records issue

The Imperium hasn't been sure what they were always

[ruby sparrow]

Look the inquisitors kinda fucked up the paperwork on squats

[dusk patrol]

Also, its just a way to make soft retcons

[ruby sparrow]

we just assume they're abhumans so we can tolerate them

like the ratfolk

[dusk patrol]

So that older lore for certain things matches up as "mistakes"

[rich vale]

Yeah Eternal Reward gets it. That was what I was reading essentially

[ruby sparrow]

we assume they arent shaved skaven

[storm jungle]

its not a retcon tho

squats have always been humans that got abhuman'd

They were originally humans who got dwarfed™️ due to the planetary conditions on the core worlds they settled on in the center of the galaxy.

They are now far removed from being human so are considered Abhumans.

[dusk patrol]

Its a soft retcon on what the dudes who traded with the Tau were

[storm jungle]

thats it

Eh kinda

[dusk patrol]

They just meshed a bunch of stuff together

[storm jungle]

literally nobody knows of that lore unless they are no-lives like us

💀

[dusk patrol]

Imo, they shouldn't have made them so active in the past 10,000 years

[normal stream]

It's like saying ogryns or ratlings are xenos

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

Just make it so they were in the galactic center

[ruby sparrow]

I have a joke now that the reason my zealot was sent to the prison ship is that they shot an inquisitor for "Covering up the skaven threat to the imperium"

[storm jungle]

Xenos also at the end of the day doesnt mean alien

it means foreign

or stranger

[dusk patrol]

And now they're popping up.

But yeah, they're not xenos.

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[dusk patrol]

Even if the rules might treat them like that.

[rich vale]

Thank God they retconned their extinction

I think they're based.

[ruby sparrow]

is that a good joke?

[crisp heath]

Did they lose an eye?

[storm jungle]

I know i did reading general-chat

[crisp heath]

Do they mutter under their breath to themselves often?

[normal stream]

All of the WC previews made such a strong point to indicate the similarities of their technology to imperial technology, it hints to them never having quite lost the technology from DAOT

[storm jungle]

Yep

also like

literally all their tech shown ot us is imperial guns

[dusk patrol]

Its not really hints

[storm jungle]

they just have runes on the side now

[dusk patrol]

So much as says

[normal stream]

Yeah hahaha

[ruby sparrow]

wait so why arent runes heresy

[storm jungle]

Its just cultural writings

[rich vale]

I want a Squat class in game

[ruby sparrow]

were the inquisitors drunk again and dont want to admit it

[normal stream]

Also there was a strong hint that their Votann and Hearthkyn are essentially MoI

[storm jungle]

Ironkin you mean?

[normal stream]

Why not ask the space wolves

[dusk patrol]

If I'm being honest, I'm very disappointed so far in how GW did the LoV and I hope they become a lot more interesting.

[storm jungle]

Less Men of Iron

[normal stream]

Er yeah ironkyn

[storm jungle]

more just random AI

[dusk patrol]

But it is pretty clear how their lore shakes up.

[ruby sparrow]

because they'll yeet me into fucking orbit

[storm jungle]

They pretty much are dead in the water atm

[dusk patrol]

For better or for worse.

[storm jungle]

the shitty tabletop stuff didnt help

they need some support

[dusk patrol]

Their aesthetic, outside of some aspects, just doesn't do it for me either.

[storm jungle]

Same

[dusk patrol]

Its like, too generic sci-fi.

[rich vale]

Tabletop minis are the bane of GW right now

[dusk patrol]

Not enough dawi.

[normal stream]

Same

[storm jungle]

No like

the votann were literally broken

GW offered REFUNDS

[rich vale]

Unplayable?

[storm jungle]

more just too OP

[rich vale]

Zamn

[normal stream]

I feel like forgeworld and 30k have been nailing the aesthetics way better than 40k has been. Then again, the new Guard are pretty awesome.

[storm jungle]

people didnt wanna play them or the people that had them found no opponents

also a shit ton of complaints

[dusk patrol]

Just literally better

And a lot of new releases can be like that but it was really really bad this time.

[normal stream]

Power creep gone too far

[dusk patrol]

Like people will often not want to play against certain compositions for more meta factions.

[normal stream]

I'm still not really sure what niche they're supposed to play into in the 40k meta

[ruby sparrow]

I dont know 40k meta i just wanna try to play custodes

ooooooor play guardsmen and bankrupt myself

[dusk patrol]

The, "We kill everything and shoot everything better" list.

[storm jungle]

also hot-take but

Kharadron Overlords > Votann

[dusk patrol]

My main issue with their lore is its like, literally their only identity is "we have better stuff"

[rich vale]

I wanna play that ancient female space marine mini, that was before they ironed out the lore

[storm jungle]

Love em

[storm jungle]

the lore was always ironed out

those minis just didnt sell

because they were fucking ugly

Also it was the 80's

[dusk patrol]

Also that was back when Space Marines were just dudes in armor.

[storm jungle]

boys didnt like girls

cooties etc

[rich vale]

Yes, but now we all like girls

[dusk patrol]

and we had half elf space marines.

[storm jungle]

thank god they retconned that guy

now hes just a farseer

[rich vale]

Half Eldar space Marines sound based

[ruby sparrow]

half elf space marines

[dusk patrol]

Like I said

[storm jungle]

nah it was just one guy

[ruby sparrow]

half eldar space marine

[dusk patrol]

It was a weird time

When 40k was more just straight up fantasy in space.

[ruby sparrow]

not in my fucking imperium.

[storm jungle]

also Rogue Trader marines were literally cops that brutalized people

and not elite soldiers

it was fucking hilarious

[dusk patrol]

Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau

When people always say "40k is satire"

[ruby sparrow]

so ss13 security officers

[storm jungle]

yep

[dusk patrol]

That was the real time it was satire.

[storm jungle]

yeah pretty much

[ruby sparrow]

was that yep to my reply

[dusk patrol]

Now its played somewhat straight although it has elements.

ITs become its own thing.

[storm jungle]

40k is still satire as GW has said but uh

[ruby sparrow]

ayy you know ss13

[storm jungle]

you cant portray the Imperium as nazis anymore because you got models to sell

[dusk patrol]

Back then it was just like, every 80s thing rolled into one.

Also, the satire was never really that good

[ruby sparrow]

To be fair Theocracy is more... complex than just "hey spess nazis"

[storm jungle]

it kinda was

at the end of the day it was

forced christianity is bad

fascism is bad

thatcher is a poopoohead

anyway random violence

[dusk patrol]

I mean yeah but that doesn't mean its good satire.

[ruby sparrow]

So basically the maximum levels of based from the english

[storm jungle]

I liked it

[dusk patrol]

It was just like, throw a brick at your face

[storm jungle]

I mean

its not suppose to be subtle

[dusk patrol]

satire

[storm jungle]

same reason I love Robocop

[ruby sparrow]

Not all satire is subtle

[storm jungle]

and yeah

[dusk patrol]

Sure

[rich vale]

GW needs to give me female space Marines. The time is now, society has progressed to adore the tall Women who can kill you with a flick

[ruby sparrow]

Sometimes its funny because of how overt it is

[dusk patrol]

But I guess my point is anyone could write that stuff.

[ruby sparrow]

now the lore's evolved a bit

[storm jungle]

The only reason they dont exist yet is because the chuds will get mad.

[dusk patrol]

40k didn't become popular because its satire.

[rich vale]

True

[dusk patrol]

Its popular becuase it had very strong design.

Imo

[ruby sparrow]

I actually appreciate the satire as a history student and someone who holds some catholic beliefs. the religious satire

[dusk patrol]

John Blanche

Bless em

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

if i told you i wanted mushroom orks in space

you'd all laugh at me

but now here we are 30 minutes later

the power of artwork and lore

[dusk patrol]

I think the writing itself was the last thing that actually was what made 40k originally.

[storm jungle]

🙏

[ruby sparrow]

I'd say "go for it it sounds stupid but it might be fun"

[storm jungle]

lmao yeah

thats how 40k got made

just some dudes wanting to make a buck and be goofs

now its uh

a thing

[dusk patrol]

They just mashed every single 80s pop culture thing into one.

And it worked out.

[ruby sparrow]

So it started out as a shitpost and was forced to become serious

[storm jungle]

also watched Dune after a night in a pub

also yeah

[dusk patrol]

Kinda

It just became its own thing.

[storm jungle]

It evolved yeah

as most things do

[dusk patrol]

Eventually they started making proper lore.

[ruby sparrow]

CSM fan stuff aside chainswords are fucking cool

[dusk patrol]

And you can't like, make everything dumb and silly all the time.

[ruby sparrow]

40k weapons in general are fucking cool

[dusk patrol]

Then they started making books.

And now they have characters.

And it just kept evolving.

And now we have a 56+ book series with a massive culmination.

All very serious more or less.

[ruby sparrow]

Chainswords are somewhat stupid and i love it

[dusk patrol]

They're very dumb.

But they're also cool.

[storm jungle]

Also GW has the eternal problem of:

"Warhammer is for everyone, we dont want bigotry in our hobby"

also posterboys are genetic supremacist mutant psychopaths

gotta go where the money is 👌

[dusk patrol]

I mean that's what makes it unique.

[storm jungle]

I mean

[dusk patrol]

Its not some disneyfied bs

[storm jungle]

its not intended tho

IT IS DISNEYED THO

the shop owners literally say space marines are heroes

its not intentional

at the end of the day its a business

[dusk patrol]

I mean they are in the context, like

[ruby sparrow]

The shop owners are lying

[dusk patrol]

You just have to not have this moral framework looking into it.

[ruby sparrow]

its imperium propoganda

[dusk patrol]

Like obviously its all shit.

[ruby sparrow]

and its so you buy spess marine models

[dusk patrol]

But also, just don't think about it morty, just have fun.

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason the shop doesnt show a Marine killing a rebel human fighting for the freedom of his world from the Imperium as the Astartes punches a hole through his chest.

[crisp heath]

Omg you guys I have to show you the gift catalog I got from the warhammer store

[dusk patrol]

Also the Shop owners are there to sell models.

[storm jungle]

yeah I know

[dusk patrol]

At the end of the day

[storm jungle]

its the ultimate irony

[ruby sparrow]

How much does a daemon army cost

[storm jungle]

a lot

not as much as Guard tho

[ruby sparrow]

custodes?

[storm jungle]

so you are safe

[storm jungle]

a lot less iirc

they arent a big army

[dusk patrol]

Custodes is a cheaper one.

[ruby sparrow]

Might start with custodes till I'm out of the house

[dusk patrol]

You can make a Killteam with three models lol.

[ruby sparrow]

I wonder if its kosher to give more personalized paint to the custodes instead of just normal faction colors

[dusk patrol]

You can

They change their armor color.

There's some set shield hosts ones you can choose from.

[ruby sparrow]

"usually, yes, the custodes have uniform. however, painting a custodes like goro fucking majima is funny"

[dusk patrol]

But like, also

Who cares

Its your models

If you want to try to stick to canon they look up some examples.

But if you don't care much, then do whatever.,

[ruby sparrow]

Sticking to cannon is boooring

[dusk patrol]

So why are you even bringing up if its kosher?

Just do whatever

[ruby sparrow]

im asking if theyre valid to play without canon paintjobs

[dusk patrol]

Dude its a game

[ruby sparrow]

fair nuff

[dusk patrol]

You can play with fries and ranch cups if you want

[rich vale]

THere's nothing "illegal" about it in the rules, just other players might give you shit. But they can't do anything about it

I've even heard of someone who used unpainted minis because they couldn't paint well so they didn't want to bother. But they did get made fun of for it

[dusk patrol]

Happens a lot

[rich vale]

Sadly...

[dusk patrol]

For boring meta chasers

[ruby sparrow]

"Why is your custodes a fucking disney princess" "Look guarding the emperor for so long gets you a bit nutty"

[worn pagoda]

I keep seeing mentions of the five in the newish map. Who's the fifth? It can't be Malice can it? Considering GW did to him a worse fate than what the Squats suffered.

[arctic talon]

The five rusted towers is somthing the loner psyker mentions

What it is? No clue

[crisp heath]

You paid for the models do what you want with them

[arctic talon]

Lol that also

[rustic spruce]

behold alllll these infantrymen

[worn pagoda]

Oh it's a Nurgle thing?

Makes sense.

[arctic talon]

Maybe?

It’s the first time it’s been mentioned ever

[astral whale]

Question. What would happen if a Fabricator General of a Forge World got their hands on a Warrant of Trade.

Would they be able to run their home sector and worlds as a private venture whilst using Mechanicus assets to increase efficiency?

[worn pagoda]

Everything's a Nurgle thing so far. Just about. At the very least in some roundabout way.

[plush mason]

?

[astral whale]

This. It seems like the traitors have given into despair from the content we have seen.

[rich vale]

I think Boppo means that Nurgle is like the only Chaos God who's been popping up

I want more Khorne, Slaanesh, and Tzeentch

I'm tired of Nurgle

[worn pagoda]

Tzeentchian stuff would be weird.

Not all of his daemons touch the ground

And none can count

[rich vale]

Well, we already have a Daemonhost in-game who floats

[arctic talon]

Not easily marketable

Why change the formula when the existing one works fine

[rich vale]

I can bet you those are all easily marketable

[astral whale]

From a writing perspective Nurgle is by far the easiest to write into a setting.

Tzeentch is too Cloak & Dagger.
Slaanesh is hell on the ratings.
Khorne is too on the nose.

[arctic talon]

Used to always be khorne in games

Now it’s nurgles turn

[worn pagoda]

Yeah, and I can't imagine it was easier to program than the common dregg

[arctic talon]

It’s just a cycle