Or it’s been leaked partially
#40k-lore-chat
dusk patrol
worthy tendon
Well, Tzeentch is not Malal/Malice... but I get what you're saying.
dusk patrol
Malal was more just go fight everyone when he existed
full bane
Using a Blackstone Fortress to exterminatus a planet? That's pretty much the intended use. Now crashing it into said planet because you lost... that's a big lol
ember geyser
Using a Blackstone Fortress to exterminatus a planet? That's pretty much the int...
yeah that would despoil the whole planet
full bane
You'd be losing a great set of armaments
worthy tendon
I still think temporary demonic possession is more likely for critical peril psykers... exploding is kinda lackluster/disappointing.
stark cargo
None of them are safe, that's why they are awesome. But Tzeentch might let you keep your mind longest. Perhaps.
worthy tendon
None of them are safe, that's why they are awesome. But Tzeentch might let you k...
No, no. But Tzeentch will make sure that neither you nor your surroundings will actually notice how far and how quickly your sanity deteriorates.
dusk patrol
Yeah I can’t stress how much it’s the opposite
Tzeentch dudes are the whole circus when it comes to being insane or getting fucked over
Chaos always takes your mind
worthy tendon
Tzeentch dudes are the whole circus when it comes to being insane or getting fuc...
But isn't Tzeentch also about Gaslighting, about you losing your grasp on what's real and what isn't?
solar canopy
Khorne is the only one you should ever join ... Khorne will never lie to you. Khorne will never betray you
as long as you slay shit Khorne is happy
quasi wagon
If you want to be truly happy you join Nurgle. Papa Nurgle makes you always smile. You feel no pain and you will laugh all day.
dusk patrol
But isn't Tzeentch also about Gaslighting, about you losing your grasp on what's...
All of the above basically
Mfw I choose to follow Tzeentch
north reef
I don't think Khorne gets enough respect in the lore. He has a tendency of being very one-note.
stark cargo
If you want to be truly happy you join Nurgle. Papa Nurgle makes you always smil...
Isn't it more like "You feel the pain, but you no longer care"?
worthy tendon
https://tenor.com/view/nosferatu-2018-dance-gif-12619066
That's actually pretty good Slaaneshi Demonesse Cosplay. I'm impressed.
worthy tendon
If you want to be truly happy you join Nurgle. Papa Nurgle makes you always smil...
So you're saying that Orks and Nurgle are actually compatible in terms of mindset?
north reef
I read a fanfic where someone tried to make a Khornate daemon a little more interesting by pointing out that Khorne is supposed to embody all aspects of war, not just the chaos of combat. The exact words were "Because while Khorne is, yes, Ares - he represents the blood, the guts, the chaos and confusion of the battlefield, the martial strength and grim contest - he also represents Athena; the skill of a wise general and prudent tactician, the honor and glory of a fight well fought, bravery in the face of death and loyalty to one's comrades."
worthy tendon
I read a fanfic where someone tried to make a Khornate daemon a little more inte...
So you're saying that Kratos is a Champion of Khorne?
north reef
Something like the old, "every Chaos god is also the embodiment of something good" perspective.
plush mason
iirc there has been an unboxing video made for the new guard set so yeah i guess it is
north reef
So you're saying that Kratos is a Champion of Khorne?
Old Kratos, certainly.
rose thorn
Why follow one god when you can follow all 4
quasi wagon
Isn't it more like "You feel the pain, but you no longer care"?
It depends on the illness. I mean nurgle is not slaneesh where you induldge in pain. Nurgle marines simply don't feel any pain.
rose thorn
4*
worthy tendon
Old Kratos, certainly.
Ragnarok Kratos, too. Since he embodies|| that Athena aspect||.
rose thorn
Strength of Khorne, Genius of Tzeentch, Endurance of Nurgle, and Ambition of Slaanesh
storm jungle
The chaos gods have no good angles
north reef
Ah. Haven't played the newer ones, so I wouldn't know.
storm jungle
thats just people thinking too deeply into something that isnt there
*Slaves to Darkness is literally in the name
north reef
thats just people thinking too deeply into something that isnt there
I think in the context of fanfiction it's people trying to write something that they wish was there.
rose thorn
Ah we are talking about AOS
Gonna be honest, there’s probably alot worse to follow compared to chaos Lmao
storm jungle
Chaos is about as bad really
worthy tendon
The chaos gods have no good angles
The Mechanikus' Creed about the Preservation of Knowledge empowers Tzeentch. The Orks mindless WAAARGHing empowers Khorne while their overall happy go lucky empowers Nurgle.
storm jungle
Nah
rose thorn
Da bad moon is one of the worst thing to follow ever
rose thorn
There souls are too small
north reef
Like, there was even an overly-long foreword where the person came up with an explanation of aeldari weirdness, Craftword Paths, and easier control over the warp using concepts from neurobiology.
safe vigil
my main anyance is the chaos gods being like... humanized.
winter vessel
I never noticed how massive Belisarius Cawl is in this art. He’s not even standing straight, he’s hunched over.
rose thorn
All the things orks do empower gork and mork
Really?
storm jungle
Daemons hate orks because they got nothing to tempt them with 
quasi wagon
In old warhammer fantasy lore Khorne was the god of honor too. There was a situation where a champion of the kurgans fought against an imperial champion and was beaten. The kurgans withdrew because they honored the duel.
rose thorn
I thogoht it was because they were plants lmao
safe vigil
They should be treated like eldritch forces of nature not people
stark cargo
It depends on the illness. I mean nurgle is not slaneesh where you induldge in ...
I think it's never stated that Nurgle makes the pain go away. Imho that makes Nurgle one of the biggest lyers. He doesn't heal, he doesn't make the symptoms go away. He simply makes you no longer care. Or even revel in it
rose thorn
Don’t get it wrong tho murder can feed khrone but it’s less about orks doing the murder and more of people dying lmao
storm jungle
I think it's never stated that Nurgle makes the pain go away. Imho that makes Nu...
Also this is correct
nurgle doesnt negate the pain as more just makes you accept it like a drug addiction
worthy tendon
Daemons hate orks because they got **nothing** to tempt them with <:KEK:98489944...
Well, remind me what Khorne is about... Isn't it about blood and murder and bashing in heads and skulls?! And isn't that most of what Orks do all day?
storm jungle
Orks can be affected by chaos to a degree but thats mostly through exposure and chaos orks never last longs and are always krumped
Same as how orks can reincarnate more or less
dusk knot
there are gsc orks
storm jungle
Yeah but again, they dont last long
rose thorn
Orks can be affected by chaos to a degree but thats mostly through exposure and ...
Except that one that no one talks about because his lore is kinda dumb
rustic spruce
aren't orks also extremely good at finding genestealers
storm jungle
Not extremely good
its literally just
"Oi mate, you look weird."
bashes head in
north reef
I imagine an ork tribe's HR department is either a very stressful or very laissez faire place...
rustic spruce
they just think it's a tragedy that you ain't a proper ork iz all
worthy tendon
I would argue that the Tyranids are the least racist species in the Universe.
rustic spruce
jokaero are the least racist species in the universe
north reef
I would argue that the Tyranids are the least racist species in the Universe.
"They judge you not by the color of your skin, but the taste of your flesh"
rose thorn
Funnily imperial knights aren’t very racist all things considered, except for chaos, they will spare xenos if killing them seems dishonorable
And even rebellions to
worthy tendon
"They judge you not by the color of your skin, but the taste of your flesh"
I mean, towards the end of a planet's consumption some tyranid units are dissolved themselves... so they not only eat other species but also some of their own.
rose thorn
Correct me if I’m wrong, but besides mechanicus houses, aren’t knights and LoV on good terms?
Mostly
Not counting that ones that is extremely racist
stark cargo
The chaos gods have no good angles
I think in the end result, you are right. They are the big baddies of the setting, and are as "evil" as it gets.
Though each is representative of valid human emotions.
I think that's where the slippery slope comes in and chaos actually becomes interesting.
rose thorn
I think in the end result, you are right. They are the big baddies of the settin...
Yeah but sometimes following a horrible evil entity is better then living in the imperium lmao
safe vigil
I always liked the grimdark dicotomy of...
the imperium is aweful yes
but everything else is worse
except tau
rose thorn
Genestealer cults aren’t that bad either if they win and pretty far from the hive fleets
For humans I mean
safe vigil
Like...
Say you work in a factory, and it's back breaking work
and this guy starts up little group to argue for less working hours, better standards.
and your like hell yeah sign me up
then the group gets larger and stronger and works behind the scenes. Has these neat secret handshakes and outfits they wear at private meetings
then you blink, and you don't recognize yourself in the mirror
stark cargo
Yeah but sometimes following a horrible evil entity is better then living in the...
Probably both suck terribly. 😁
rose thorn
Probably both suck terribly. 😁
Yeah but at least if you are apart of chaos you have a chance for actual freedom,
safe vigil
no peaceful demands instead everyone in power is getting butchered, anyone even related tothem is being butchered
etc etc
good intentions outside of imperial doctrine and just the dark gods pulling on your heart strings to make you into another puppet
rose thorn
Yeah but the imperium you are less then a puppet
safe vigil
There is no freedom in chaos. You're just trading one slave master for another
rose thorn
You are a stat
safe vigil
yeah but it won't ask you to nail your friends to a building and dance around in the entrails
well... nah they are both equal
rose thorn
But to be completely fair, if I was offered to join chaos or live on a knight world, I’d pick the knight would
But if it was a hive world or chaos
safe vigil
but the imperium offers one stable stagnation
rose thorn
Chaos wins that one
safe vigil
whilst chaos offers poison apples
rose thorn
but the imperium offers one stable stagnation
Pffff stable
Literally politics is one of the imperiums biggest enemies
safe vigil
in terms of a human lifespan
stark cargo
Yeah but at least if you are apart of chaos you have a chance for actual freedom...
Freedom. That's the pitch my Tzeentch cultist larp character is selling. 😉
But franky, I think that the Empire at least has the potential for Altruism. The way chaos is designed/portraid, it tend's to turn into a "rule of the strongest" thing quite quickly.
safe vigil
or 'rule of who can sell themselves to the dark gods' the most
rose thorn
Freedom. That's the pitch my Tzeentch cultist larp character is selling. 😉
Bu...
Yeah but it gives everyone an equal chance to come out on top
safe vigil
individuality becomes carving parts of yourself out for more favor
rose thorn
You aren’t born into the winning slot in chaos
plush mason
yeah but it won't ask you to nail your friends to a building and dance around in...
yeah no the imperium asks that too. that or they ask you report said friends so they can be burned at the stake for any little slip up lol
stark cargo
or 'rule of who can sell themselves to the dark gods' the most
I think that's self-reinforcing. To prevail, you need every advantage you need. You get the advantage by indebting yourself even more with your chaos god
safe vigil
yeah no the imperium asks that too. that or they ask you report said friends so ...
yeah realized as I was typing it. I guess the point is the whole 'madness' thing
plush mason
ye
rose thorn
I think that's self-reinforcing. To prevail, you need every advantage you need. ...
To be fair in-debiting your self to a god is literally every religion
dusk patrol
yeah no the imperium asks that too. that or they ask you report said friends so ...
It’s definitely another level though
safe vigil
I honestly really like how darktide presents the imerpium. as this super big brother totalitarian state which I haven't seen enough of.
dusk patrol
Chaos is an understandable but always shit option for almost everyone
plush mason
nah. for the common humans in 40k there is no escape. they are stuck forever in hell where all options are shit and all factions are evil
safe vigil
Crime makes me thing 'hive gangers' which doesn't interest me too much? But a peak at normal humans sounds good to me
well the important thing is
the common human doesn't know anything
crisp heath
nah. for the common humans in 40k there is no escape. they are stuck forever in ...
Except tau
safe vigil
to question imperial authority is sedition
stark cargo
yeah no the imperium asks that too. that or they ask you report said friends so ...
I think that's one of the really nice facettes of the setting: That the Empire tries to stamp out Emotion (and therefor humanity, turning everything into machines) because emotions are the pathways to corruption.
And in the end it becomes therefore so similar to what it fights
plush mason
Except tau
tau suck too and will neuter you first chance they get
dusk patrol
Except tau
Tau is still a second class citizen in a totalitarian society where you’re controlled by the state
plush mason
lol
dusk patrol
It’s a little better than some Imperium worlds but it’s still shit
safe vigil
as the steralization talk comes from Dawn of War Dark Crusade
crisp heath
Tau is still a second class citizen in a totalitarian society where you’re contr...
Better than being food, or a slave class worker controlled by the state
dusk patrol
The Tau are not benevolent
crisp heath
A lot better than imperium worlds
safe vigil
I mean, your basically saying you'd rather be slaves for aliens
crisp heath
I would rather be a good worker slave for aliens
crisp heath
Than a bad worker slave for the communist imperium
plush mason
tau are literally just the lesser evil and their empire is so small than the vast majority of humans dont get them as an option
crisp heath
tau are literally just the lesser evil and their empire is so small than the vas...
This is the right answer
rose thorn
My guy, the tau Has population control, you have to be approved to reproduce in tau society
Also they have a weird god complex
But all of 40K does
crisp heath
I work a farm on an edge world, rather that killing myself through labor in a forge world
safe vigil
Tau are the white savior complex with rail guns
rose thorn
Yes
plush mason
ye
rose thorn
Let’s all agree the best faction to live under is Imperial knights!
dusk patrol
Also they look silly
safe vigil
but I do like the characterization of them pleading with humans to be reasonable
dusk patrol
Let’s all agree the best faction to live under is Imperial knights!
I mean, it’s better than some
north reef
My guy, the tau Has population control, you have to be approved to reproduce in ...
Population control is still superior to what the Imperium offers, though.
dusk patrol
You’re basically just a medieval peasant though
devout oxide
Let’s all agree the best faction to live under is Imperial knights!
Some of them are actually pretty close to benevolent lol
dusk patrol
Population control is still superior to what the Imperium offers, though.
Sometimes
stark cargo
No tyranid is ever unhappy. 😁
dusk patrol
Like being on the shit end of the stick on a hive world sucks
safe vigil
'do the lives of your men mean so little to you? Are you that made!'
'do the lives of your men mean so much to you? Are you that weak'
rose thorn
Some of them are actually pretty close to benevolent lol
Yeah but to be fair the evil to not bad is more on the not bad side
rose thorn
Unless you roll like
dusk patrol
But no one does in 40k
safe vigil
Although
dusk patrol
But you can have a normal boring life and die at a normal age
safe vigil
people do aclimate to their surroundings pretty well
dusk patrol
That’s another aspect of it
devout oxide
A lot of them actually care about their “charges”/ people because of the throne mechanicum/protector culture
rose thorn
House Tara is is pretty bad
safe vigil
so hivers probably don't care, their shit life is jsut normal to them
north reef
But there’s plenty of “normal” Imperium worlds
Thing is though, statistically, most of the actual people live in Hive worlds. That's their point; they grow humans for the legions of the Imperial Guard. That's their contribution, so most of the population is concentrated there.
north reef
So if you were actually in the Imperium, you'd probably be in/from a hive.
rose thorn
Griffith use to be really really trash
dusk patrol
Thing is though, statistically, most of the actual people live in Hive worlds. T...
That’s how our world works too
rose thorn
But they ar pretty good right now
plush mason
Let’s all agree the best faction to live under is Imperial knights!
nothing like living in a mud hut and watching a giant mech stomp past your pumpkin field and flatten half of them. and then be blamed when you fail to meet your quota for the month as a result
dusk patrol
And the mid level hive isn’t as bad as the sections we’re in
devout oxide
I play house terryn lmao, have 5 questoris knights of them on my shelf right now haha
rose thorn
I play house griffith, im@working in my armingers right now lmao
dusk patrol
Like don’t get me wrong, it all sucks compared to most of our QoL
rose thorn
Do you write characters for your knights?
rose thorn
nothing like living in a mud hut and watching a giant mech stomp past your pumpk...
Not all houses are like that
dusk patrol
But the Tau tend to take over worlds which have gotten cut off from the Imperium or they slowly take over them over time with trade
devout oxide
I do but they are pretty basic, I picked terryn because my wife’s name is taryn and I liked the colors lol
rose thorn
You will have tech but you will be a peasant
rose thorn
I do but they are pretty basic, I picked terryn because my wife’s name is taryn ...
Aww cute
devout oxide
Lmao she liked it and I have played guard for so long I wanted melee knights so it worked well
rose thorn
I play hosue Griffith because gaint mechs that joust and kill dragons is hilarious to me
rose thorn
I only have one character written right now and it’s for my gallant
north reef
But the Tau tend to take over worlds which have gotten cut off from the Imperium...
Yeah, I don't get how people try to equate the evil that the Tau do with the Imperium. Like, okay, they might sterilize you if you rebel. But have you read the lore of the arcoflagellants and the mortifiers? Ho. Lee. Shite.
dusk patrol
Because the Tau are just barely below the Imperium
scenic sun
Tau would be the evilest of the evil guys... outside 40k. Here, they are just light sauce
rose thorn
Tau would be the evilest of the evil guys... outside 40k. Here, they are just li...
Yeah that’s the best way to explain it
scenic sun
I belive they haven't sterillized anyone, they only do that in a non-cannon ending of DoW right?
dusk patrol
And I and other people get tired of Tau Stans trying to make them out to be the good guys
dusk patrol
I belive they haven't sterillized anyone, they only do that in a non-cannon endi...
Also this
scenic sun
like, I do not know of any other reference of Tau Sterilitzation camps. They ARE TOTALITARIAN, they ARE IMPERIALIST, but... that's light stuff arround here
dusk patrol
The Tau are evil because they slowly take over a planets culture and imprison everyone involved, killing all descent and acting like they’re just there to help
solar canopy
are we talking about the head-vagina people?
solar canopy
i mean gundam is cool and all
but Tau are as evil as anyone else
the only good guys in 40k are the Tyranids
rose thorn
My gallant basically watched her brother die and murdered her suppose to be husband the day of their marriage after challenging him to a duel for her hand in marriage.
devout oxide
The imperium is like 15k years of generational trauma trying to function in a universe were hell is real and having bad thoughts can get a entire sector pulled into literal hell. The tau literally genocided all of their Auxiliaries when they went into the warp on one of their expansions lol
dusk patrol
Also the Tau have done stuff easily on par with acro falgellatents, like purposefully sending Tau and human dissenters to be made into Genestealer cultists to study them.
devout oxide
My gallant basically watched her brother die and murdered her suppose to be husb...
Perfect knight story imo I like it
rose thorn
Kwhejdje thanks!
dusk patrol
I don’t think they’re even but like, it gets really old when Tau fans keep insisting they’re somehow benevolent or in anyway good
scenic sun
what you can get away with "for the greater good" if it's "For the greater good" it will be justified
dusk patrol
Basically
scenic sun
the ends justify the means, if we have to kill this planet for the good of the empire, so be it
dusk patrol
There’s no real limit
solar canopy
what you can get away with "for the greater good" if it's "For the greater good"...
its the same as "For the Emperor"
dusk patrol
And their whole society is fucked from the onset
rose thorn
She inherited her knight ‘the gentle blade’ because she was the last person left to inherent it. And her family use to be elegant and calm fighters. But her anger issues and blood lust made the knight name a joke
dusk patrol
Literally practicing eugenics on a societal level
scenic sun
She inherited her knight ‘the gentle blade’ because she was the last person left...
Khorne will watch her career with great interest
The Tau are bad guys, we all agree. But the Kroot are not, they just want to grill in peace
I will die on this hill
north reef
the only good guys in 40k are the Tyranids
Well, we totally agree on that much!
solar canopy
Khorne will watch her career with great interest
a Chaos Knight paint project is on my to-do list and im contemplating making it Khorne based
solar canopy
Nids just do what Nids do
dusk patrol
Nah
solar canopy
they aint evil
dusk patrol
They’re not blameless
dusk patrol
They are capable of malice and making choices
scenic sun
They are seething at the blood angels, smh
dusk patrol
Or it is or whatever
celest dome
Evil is just something we decide to sympatise with one another
north reef
I don't think there's been any canonical examples of Chaos Nids, though, so I don't think Chaos really... speaks to them.
rose thorn
She has about 3 oaths
Never attack someone’s lesser then you unless provoked
Get revenge for her brother
And never get married
scenic sun
Nature does what it does, if the tyranid aren't evil neither are the chaos gods.
rose thorn
Last one was to spite her family
scenic sun
it's their nature to be what they are
north reef
I'm of the opinion that the nids are on such a different level of sentience that they literally don't even realize that they are killing sentient creatures.
Like killing bacteria; no one thinks that's evil, right?
celest dome
Chaos only follow their natures
solar canopy
i mean drukhari act out of self-preserverance
dusk patrol
I'm of the opinion that the nids are on such a different level of sentience that...
They literally do
solar canopy
I'm of the opinion that the nids are on such a different level of sentience that...
This
dusk patrol
Like the Hivemind is very aware of what it does
celest dome
i mean drukhari act out of self-preserverance
And they still are bloody Ahole to the one they use
scenic sun
i mean drukhari act out of self-preserverance
Drukhari are justified, but don't be fooled, they'd do it without slaneeshi "encouragment"
solar canopy
they do know they are stepping on ants ... but we are just ants they dotn care
scenic sun
they ARE bastards
dusk patrol
i mean drukhari act out of self-preserverance
No they don’t
They could do the Craftworld Eldar path if they wanted
celest dome
Drukhari are justified, but don't be fooled, they'd do it without slaneeshi "enc...
No they're not
dusk patrol
But it’s hard, so they choose torture
There was always other options for them
The Drukhari are the Eldar empire who fell to Slaneesh
solar canopy
i mean ... its a pretty easy choice to be honest
north reef
Like the Hivemind is very aware of what it does
I'm aware that a mushroom died for my lunch. Is that evil?
solar canopy
one you have to live ascetic lifes the other you get chairs made out of skin
dusk patrol
The CWE and Exodites are the ones who resisted it
solar canopy
i know what i'd do
dusk patrol
I'm aware that a mushroom died for my lunch. Is that evil?
If the mushroom was a sapient being would you still eat it?
If so, you’d be evil
That’s the Hivemind
solar canopy
Craftworld eldar don't live stoic lives at all
im oversimplifing for comedic value
scenic sun
They just don't go overboard unlike the drukhari. Exodites do live stoic lives
solar canopy
If the mushroom was a sapient being would you still eat it?
i would
dusk patrol
That’s the thing too
north reef
If the mushroom was a sapient being would you still eat it?
My standards for sapience and the mushroom's standard for sapience might be very different. What about an insect? Or a fish? Or a small mammal?
scenic sun
or a monkey
north reef
My point is, the Hive Mind is so different that comparing our sentience and it's isn't helpful
solar canopy
you ever ate horse-salami?
dusk patrol
Except it’s aware
solar canopy
horses are arguably sentient
north reef
And I am aware that a chicken can feel pain. I still eat chicken.
scenic sun
I'd say the hive mind can be aware, but what other path does it have?
it must do this or lose it all
north reef
People eat octopus and those things are for sure sapient.
solar canopy
humanity has eaten sentient beings since forever without having any "evil" attached to it
where we draw the line is canibalism
which is "own species"
dusk patrol
it must do this or lose it all
No it doesn’t
It can last forever or almost forever by itself
And idc if it’s in something’s nature to be evil
It’s still evil
Daemons are naturally evil too
They’re still evil
solar canopy
thats just anti-Daemon propaganda now
you only say that because you werent born as Daemon or dont identify as one
dusk patrol
horses are arguably sentient
They’re not sapient
north reef
But then we get into objective and relative morality and that's a whole pile of cans of worms to get into in a Discord chat...
dusk patrol
I’ve looked into all the arguments for animal “sapience” and I’ve never been convinced
solar canopy
you mean Dolphins clearly being able to recognise themselves in mirrors?
north reef
I’ve looked into all the arguments for animal “sapience” and I’ve never been con...
Really? Even octopodes?
storm jungle
Craftworld eldar don't live stoic lives at all
They literally live like we do rn lmao
they are a post-scarcity society too
dusk patrol
Which is another point
Drukhari would be living amazing lives
Still
But they choose to live the hedonistic evil ones
storm jungle
Yeah Dark Eldar need to do what they do
the problem is
they know this and are evil assholes anyway
they could find some way to maybe safely feed the soulthrist but they dont
they love the raids
they love torturing people
scenic sun
As I said, the drukhari would do the horrible shit they do without their sould being eaten away
they are evil
dusk patrol
They don’t try to join Craftworlds, although there are a few cases of it happening
storm jungle
Correct
dusk patrol
It’s very hard
storm jungle
Yeee
dusk patrol
Although arguably
dusk patrol
Ynnari proved some are more redeemable
north reef
they could find some way to maybe safely feed the soulthrist but they dont
They are the living embodiment of that Amy Winehouse song
dusk patrol
Since when given the option some choose a way out
storm jungle
Yup
dusk patrol
Through the Ynnari
dusk patrol
Mostly I guess
storm jungle
Ynnari are trying to save their race first and foremost
scenic sun
they are small, sure but I haven't seen them doing anything beyond being arrogant as are all eldar
storm jungle
Eldar dont actively seek war unless they have to
storm jungle
they are small, sure but I haven't seen them doing anything beyond being arrogan...
God not this arrogance talk again
the Imperium is literally just as worse
scenic sun
I know
I was going to say, to be fair, so are the necrons and the imperium. The Imperium look over the eldar "as a state", they think their state is superior to them. The eldar think biologically they are superior to humans
which... they are right
to be fair
storm jungle
Correct yep
north reef
Ynnari i'd say aren't that evil right?
"So the problem with Slaanesh, right - don't interrupt - the problem with Slaanesh... is that we created a god that ate all our souls by accident! If we do it on purpose it'll be much better!"
scenic sun
Blaming current eldar for slaneesh is a bad take
that's like blaming current Germans for ww2
dusk patrol
The Imperium definitely take it too another level
storm jungle
And yeah the current eldar are the doomsday preppers that left before the big-bang
Exodites are more based because all they did was go back to monke and smoke shrooms and ride dinosaurs
scenic sun
And yeah the current eldar are the doomsday preppers that left before the big-ba...
or just eldar that were born AFTER the fuck up
north reef
Blaming current eldar for slaneesh is a bad take
Drukhari are the exact same culture that created slaanesh that are actively choosing not to learn a lesson.
scenic sun
Drukhari are the exact same culture that created slaanesh that are actively choo...
we are arguing about the ynari not drukhari are we not?
I already stated the dark elves are evil as FUCK
north reef
But the drukhari are "current aeldar"
scenic sun
you yourself said they are the old
rose thorn
Ynarii
More like yno more lore
storm jungle
Because sadly GW doesnt care about xenos
scenic sun
that's with all Eldar don't fancy yourself much mag
storm jungle
💀
scenic sun
GW be like 💀
storm jungle
my favorite part of necrons is people asking for books to read
and im like
"Good! You only get 4 picks!"
scenic sun
they are all excellent tbf
scenic sun
better than the imperium books which some are garbage
rose thorn
Knights are much the same, as we are a side note in the lroe lmao
north reef
Has there ever been a book from the Tyranid perspective though?
storm jungle
Imperium books suffer from too many cooks i nthe kitchen
some are graet
some are bad
scenic sun
Imperium books suffer from too many cooks i nthe kitchen
bolterporn...
we do not need this many at times
storm jungle
Has there ever been a book from the Tyranid perspective though?
Nid POVs exist in chapter formats in other books before you switch over to the main character
so alas no
dusk patrol
There is the GSC book
rose thorn
YWAH
north reef
It'd be weird, to be sure.
rose thorn
‘Hey i wanan know more about GSCs besides the codex wjat book should I read?
dusk patrol
But yeah it’s just like a few cutaways in Devastation of Baal that I can recall
rose thorn
Ah yes the one book
dusk patrol
I think it follows a Lictors
I mean, that’s how it works
Maybe be happy they’re making them now
Used to be none
rose thorn
At least AOS doenst have that problem
scenic sun
i mean individual tyranids unless it's the swarmlord or stuff are just animals mostly
rose thorn
Unless you like gloomspites like me then we get 2 books
scenic sun
until the hive takes over when a big nid is next to them
rose thorn
One of them is literally one of the best horror books ever made for AOS
The other is gloom spites getting murdered for 300 pages
Which I guess is the same for nids!
north reef
until the hive takes over when a big nid is next to them
But that's the thing. I want to have a (good) sci-fi take on what a hive mind is like, internally. How does it actually function? How does it decide to do things? What is it's understanding of itself, its place, its actions? These are interesting questions!
... 40K probably isn't the place to look for that kind of scifi
scenic sun
suppose so, but you ran into the same problem as some writters when writing primarchs. How do you express how something more than a human thinks like?
dusk patrol
But that's the thing. I want to have a (good) sci-fi take on what a hive mind is...
It’s not gonna be expanded on much
scenic sun
It might be, it's just... Writing things above human comprehension is by definition HARD
dusk patrol
But we get some excepts in Devastation of Baal
dusk patrol
And uh
Valedor kinda
But tbh it’s like most sci fi
Aliens are just different flavored humans
Actually alien things are kinda hard to write and relate to
And probably boring mostly
north reef
Yeah... I just see the potential there and I'm like... This is a being that thinks of fleets the way the Administratum thinks of individual bolter shells. This is a lovecraftian horror in a universe of magic - there must be some interesting fiction you can wring out of it...
dusk patrol
It’s tbh for me
slender orchid
What is the second gloomspite book? You counting Gitslayer?
dusk patrol
The most boring faction
Because it’s nature means it can’t really go anywhere
It’s a fun antagonist enemy sometimes
But even then Nid focused books tend to be boring
north reef
To be fair, we thought basically the same thing for Chaos for a long time. Then the Cicatrix Maledictum happened.
slender orchid
Nids are the big threat hiding in the shadows. We've gotten teased for over a decade that the giant hive fleets that keep wrecking entire sectors are just tendrils of the MAIN Tyranid fleet
dusk patrol
Nids by its nature can’t really
scenic sun
Chaos has actual ability to talk for once
Specially if the author doesn't buy too much into the "once you're inside you're a puppet with no free will"
north reef
Chaos has always had interesting dudes
No doubt, but I mean that they never went anywhere. Abaddon had 13 crusades that did NOTHING
scenic sun
Kinda... untrue
dusk patrol
They all had different goals
scenic sun
First one got Siggy killed, which is a good start
dusk patrol
Very few involved Cadia
And that’s been lore for a long time
People just get lore from memes
north reef
Fair enough.
slender orchid
No doubt, but I mean that they never went anywhere. Abaddon had 13 crusades that...
Really frustrated by constant Meme lore. Each accomplished plenty. The goal of each wasn't to 1 shot the Imperium and kill the Emperor. To get an artifact, to get the Blackstone fortresses, to break worlds, to destroy the pylons. Not a retcon either, it was made to mirror Archaon getting his gear in Fantasy.
plush mason
ye GW seems to want to set up Abaddon as 40k's Archaon
plush mason
true
scenic sun
He IS the big Chaos Undivided Champion/Lord
crisp heath
What's the lore reason for psykers always brain bursting things in melee range when there are elites shooting at us
storm jungle
What's the lore reason for psykers always brain bursting things in melee range w...
Gameplay reasons
slender orchid
? Yeah. 40k came after fantasy. Archaon already existed. Abaddon has a similar background, fall from grace, ascension to chaos champ, multiple quests to get huge artifacts and allies, he even makes Belakor serve him like Archaon did.
mystic geyser
Now I'm wondering which actually came first...
storm jungle
Imperial psykers got a big rance of abilities
mystic geyser
The models were pretty close together
scenic sun
Abbadon is later than Archy I belive
plush mason
What's the lore reason for psykers always brain bursting things in melee range w...
there is none, players just dont know how to aim the damn thing lol
slender orchid
Really wish 40k could let the lulz that was Storms of Chaos in Fantasy become real.
full bane
Storm of Chaos was hilarious.
slender orchid
GW was trying to set up a big Chaos win, but allowed community involvement in the battles. Basically resulted in Grimgor (Ghazghull's fantasy equivalent) to smack the tar out of Archaon (Abaddon's equivalent). Then exit stage right.
full bane
And also an early show that GW isn't very good at running global campaigns... and deciding your story by what is essentially popular vote is very silly.
slender orchid
Yes, but it was great fun.
plush mason
GW was trying to set up a big Chaos win, but allowed community involvement in th...
ngl. i would pay to see Ghazghull smack the shit out of Abaddon
full bane
Yeah, from what I've heard of the campaign from older players who were active at the time, GW was very blatant with Chaos favoritism. Stopped the tribes at Kislev? They come down the river to Marienburg instead.
scenic sun
And also an early show that GW isn't very good at running global campaigns... an...
They got back to doing it, recently the eldar scored a win because of it!
slender orchid
Just imagine. The circatrix maledictum is a success. Abaddon closes in for it. The end of the Long War. Victory over the Corpse Emperor. Ghazghull shows up and krumps him. Snorts about humies getting soft after the good uns died, then says he is off to fight Nids for a REAL scrap.
scenic sun
Most ghazkull thing ever
plush mason
ye
scenic sun
Orks... Never change lovable bastards. Honestly if the theories of yarrick getting killed by Angron are true...
full bane
Every couple of major submitted battles, Chaos would get another in to a major location, and then at the end when they were faced with an Orc victory they had to figure out how to tie things up.
Leading to the absolute hilarity of Grimgor walking up and beating the snotlings out of Archaeon while he's fighting the champions of humanity and then wandering off.
scenic sun
Maybe one can hope
mystic geyser
Earliest reference I can find for Abaddon is 96.. earliest for archaon is 98..
storm jungle
They did a great callback to that in the End Times too
mystic geyser
Not found definitive release dates tho
storm jungle
where Grimgor headbutts and destroys the eye mcguffin on archaon's helmet
but then he decapitates Grimgor so
scenic sun
How did they justify grimgore not going in for the kill now that the empire was weak?
storm jungle
Because plot
scenic sun
Hmmm
storm jungle
the Empire realistically should be a fucking wasteland from how much it gets invaded
but german power ✊
full bane
How did they justify grimgore not going in for the kill now that the empire was ...
By retconning the events of that campaign out of existence.
:(
storm jungle
Earliest reference I can find for Abaddon is 96.. earliest for archaon is 98..
Yeah I was gonna look at the miniature sections on Warhammer Fantasy's lexicanum but it doesnt exist in comparison to 40k lexi
full bane
And not doing interactive campaigns for the really major plot events.
slender orchid
Every couple of major submitted battles, Chaos would get another in to a major l...
Dude, it was obnoxious. Community beats Chaos anywhere with any faction. GW basically went "nuh uh, secret plan" or "overwhelming infinite tides say no". Got treated as a tie at best. But the end event made them scrap the entire plot line. Felt cool to have that kind of engagement though, feel like your games MATTERED somehow. Your dudes (tm) fighting the fight.
full bane
Nowadays it's mainly "fight over relatively minor planet" or "war over this random stretch of a realm" when they do write in campaigns.
scenic sun
Dude, it was obnoxious. Community beats Chaos anywhere with any faction. GW basi...
Ah yes, the tribes whose existence is miserable and have to fight eachother over scrap iron weapons have tides of gooms
Bruh
storm jungle
Total War is the only accurate portrayal of how the end times would go
aka your daemonic army means shit when we got rocket launchers and guns, sorry
scenic sun
Faith, steel and gunpowder
storm jungle
🙏
I love warriors of chaos and norsca but like
at the end of the day they are glorified vikings or cavemen
the moment any other faction gets the upper hand unless they got an army of their own they just run away, because bullets kinda hurt
slender orchid
I mean, End Times had the Skaven overwhelm 90% of "Order" forces. Skaven have guns, rockets, bombs, AND infinite hordes
storm jungle
yeah but skaven got mad plot armor
also magic mcguffins with Warpstone
aka "I want anything to happen" rock
full bane
Up until Skryre teamkill Pestilens anyway
scenic sun
To be fair I understand Chaos Warriors, they are like space marines in fantasy, it makes sense they are like that. Chaos shenanigans and all
but Norsca are NOT only made by those, most norscans if they are warriors, are chaos marauders
full bane
Dude, it was obnoxious. Community beats Chaos anywhere with any faction. GW basi...
GW is just... not very good at running these interactive events I find. Other companies like FASA have handled it better but also had smaller communities and more manageable outcomes.
scenic sun
which... are idiots, and barely a challenge against actual armies
crisp heath
I still can’t get over the fact that “Ratling gunner” is what they’re named and it’s played 100% straight 💀
slender orchid
Bruh, it is a faction that has "DOOM DOOM ROCKETS".
I am in the corner with my less popular Pestilens army, but ratmen are just fun.
slender orchid
It was really weird experiencing Fantasy be super serious, and 40k be the over the top joke setting. Then they sort of flipped. Then Fantasy died. Age of Sigmar came screaming out like an 80s psychedelic metal van, saying "serious? Sounds boring". As 40k gets ever more serious.
crisp heath
Is that how it goes? Lol
Vermintide is my intro to fantasy so I have no idea
I’d love to explore Fantasy more
slender orchid
The big Warhammer Chronicle Omnibuses are great. Short print runs, but eternally great prices on Kindle
rose thorn
Okay so realistically, does adding spikes to your armor actually do anything?
crisp heath
Okay so realistically, does adding spikes to your armor actually do anything?
It makes you attack stronger so it must be true
dusty tusk
I have a question out of all the choas gods who is the strongest?
slender orchid
Okay so realistically, does adding spikes to your armor actually do anything?
Yes and no. Depends on the fighting environment and style. Spikes on elbows, shoulders, and knees have actually been used in history.
In enclosed spaces it hampers mobility though.
rose thorn
Ah
slender orchid
Anywhere else, like helmets, it is just dumb Wagnerization.
rose thorn
Lol, i wasn’t really sure what the spikes would have been for except for running into your enemy and te factor
Even then tho
slender orchid
So do a swinging motion with your arm, pretend you have a sword. If you have a spike on your elbow you can then punch that forward. Knees up into a groin, leg, or stomach hurt more with a pointy bit
crisp heath
Okay so realistically, does adding spikes to your armor actually do anything?
Chaos Corruption is the reasoning iirc, the armor reflects the soul of the wearer
rose thorn
Yeah but drukhari was the main example I was thinking of
crisp heath
I have a question out of all the choas gods who is the strongest?
Khorne but they're all powerful enough that no one can kill another
crisp heath
np, its a great world to get sucked into.
Would the Chaos gods fight amongst themselves though?
slender orchid
Nah. Tzeentch canonically used to be strongest. And Nurgle will be "at the end of all things"
crisp heath
Would the Chaos gods fight amongst themselves though?
minor chaos gods get yeeted all the time
rose thorn
And Slaanesh was for like 5 minutes lmao
slender orchid
Khorne just was in AoS for a bit, but his guys ran out of people to kill.
crisp heath
and im pretty sure gork and mork murdered the chaos dwarfs god
rose thorn
But Slaanesh being the most powerful for 5 minutes is fitting
slender orchid
Unless she takes his little blue pill (Eldar soul stones)
crisp heath
Thanks ELDAR
rose thorn
Lmao yeah
sullen field
so.. are mf lasguns kinetic or energy,
if its energy does that mean the recoil is just there to make it more "gunny"?
hollow lantern
so.. are mf lasguns kinetic or energy,
if its energy does that mean the recoil ...
The lasgun is a particle accelerator iirc
Which is why it kicks a bit
storm jungle
barren tapir
so.. are mf lasguns kinetic or energy,
if its energy does that mean the recoil ...
Definitely not kinetic lol
storm jungle
I swear
hollow lantern
Which is why it recoils whenever you try to hit something
Trynna hit you bb, how you doin
sullen field
im not arguing the science behind it, just wanted to know if there was cool lore behind it
dusk patrol
We are all Physicists with PhDs on this blessed day
dusk knot
dusk patrol
im not arguing the science behind it, just wanted to know if there was cool lore...
Like many things in 40k
It looks cool
And that’s it
barren tapir
im not arguing the science behind it, just wanted to know if there was cool lore...
There isn't, just rule of cool, GW isn't know to be actually reasonable with the stuff they do
storm jungle
sullen field
is this like a hot topic or something ? lol
storm jungle
Its been frequently asked in the last 2 years and has never went anywhere so yeah 
dusk knot
if a lasgun pushes someone back then it should have recoil
sullen field
my b
dusk knot
because physics
plush mason
if a lasgun pushes someone back then it should have recoil
i mean. the kantraal mk 12 literally makes poxwalkers do cartwheels so it should send the vet flying with each shot
dusk knot
I meant in terms of newtons third law
plush mason
ye so did i
its the same thing with the blown away special effect hollywood use to use a lot
if your gun can send a man flying 6 feet back when you shoot him it would send you flying 6 feet backwards when you shoot it
dusk knot
well yes but also no
plush mason
gun recoil is literally just newton's third law in action
dusk knot
yeah
plush mason
and while many guns have systems for recoil control they can never remove all of it
dusk knot
yes
plush mason
so if your 12guage can seen a man flying it will send you flying but maybe not as far
dusk patrol
My foot going up your ass when you ask about lasgun recoil is another example
plush mason
lol
plush mason
lol
plush mason
people are weird
like. has anyone even noticed whats left of her skin on her face?
she is over 300 years old. and damn she looks it
barren tapir
LOL
plush mason
ikr
plush mason
ye
normal stream
Yeah don't try to explain science in 40k. Wrong universe for that lol. This isn't The Expanse.
plush mason
^
normal stream
Something-something mommy hadron
I can always unmake her! 🤣
dusk patrol
she is over 300 years old. and damn she looks it
That’s 300 years of experience
Like fine wine
normal stream
Like fine wine
Ok but not all wine fines are meant to be aged
dusk patrol
This one was
normal stream
Kekw
plush mason
what ever parts of real physics exist in 40k is the parts the author wanted in. and if they dont want any real science in their story then thats that
dusk patrol
Idk
The whole “mommy UwU step on me” meme with every fucking female character in recent internet stuff is uh
Not a fan
storm jungle
where during the Siege uh
normal stream
Just remember that the warp and realspace used to never be separated, ergo, whatever happens bc rule of cool, just blame on the warp
storm jungle
one of the guardsman flirts with a female skitarii
and he asks her whats under there
dusk patrol
That’s just typically ADB waifu shit
normal stream
Wat
storm jungle
That’s just typically ADB waifu shit
||and she doesnt have it in her heart to tell him its all fucking gross ass radiated or rotten skin||
storm jungle
LEL
If it makes yall feel better
they both get killed literally a minute later by chaos marines
dusk patrol
Because man’s been out there for a long time
normal stream
The radiated skin thing is such weird canon lore to make the "standard skitarii"
storm jungle
the guardsman tries to avenge her but he gets impaled on a standard and bleeds out
dusk patrol
There’s a term for it in the military
When suddenly every girl starts looking really good during basic
storm jungle
The radiated skin thing is such weird canon lore to make the "standard skitarii"
Nah thats just for grimdank shit, you can make smooth-skinned soldier-skits if you want, nobody is stopping you.
Skitarii are just as much serving the omnissiah as anyone else
dusk patrol
Skitarii are varied as hell
normal stream
Nah thats just for grimdank shit, you can make smooth-skinned soldier-skits if y...
Rule 34 skitarii 
storm jungle
Still one of the best quotes in this game
dusk patrol
Rule 34 skitarii <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
plush mason
When suddenly every girl starts looking really good during basic
hell that happens to men anytime they spend a long time without seeing a women
dusk patrol
This is true
plush mason
Still one of the best quotes in this game
ye
arctic talon
||and she doesnt have it in her heart to tell him its all fucking gross ass radi...
LMFAO
Also Skitarii don't always have irradiated skin it only really happens with using radium weaponry
plush mason
lol
arctic talon
It absolutely stops them from dying a horrific death from firing a radium carbine on the spot
But radium carbines give off radiation whenever they fire, passively, and skitarii vanguards cause radstorms lol
Their gear stops them from getting super cancer on the spot
but they'll still suffer the consequences down the line
plush mason
true
arctic talon
then again once a skitarii is past the crux mechanicum they don't really need to worry about cancer anymore
So its more of a will you pass the crux mechanicum before you die of radiation poisoning
plush mason
the what?
dusk patrol
Cancer is for fleshy nerds
arctic talon
Curx mechanicum is when over 50% of your body is metal
plush mason
ah
arctic talon
or rather non fleshy
Its the minimum requirement to be considered a veteran skitarii
dusk patrol
It’s the flesh limbo
arctic talon
also standing next to a skitarii vanguard is arguably a death sentence
dusk patrol
How low can you go
arctic talon
so fighting alongside the mechanicus sucks as well
plush mason
so are the vanguard the line infantry and the rangers the scouts/snipers?
arctic talon
both are "line infantry"
Skitarii vanguard are used to break fortified positions
Rangers are used for longer ranged combat
plush mason
i see
arctic talon
if you have multiple trenches
vanguards will always be in the front ones
for example
you might see a few rangers providing fire support
plush mason
so true to their name
arctic talon
yeah
dusk patrol
Rangers do not lead the way in this case
plush mason
lol
plush mason
yeah, ngl most of the admech's standard weapons are literal warcrimes
arctic talon
getting hit by phosphor fucking sucks in lore
Its napalm
but if you're still alive its so bright it can be seen through walls by skitarii
so they just gun you down anyways lol
normal stream
yeah, ngl most of the admech's standard weapons are literal warcrimes
Most of the admech's equipment are warcrimes lol
plush mason
true
normal stream
Thallaxing someone is probably tho
arctic talon
Thallax participaints are "willing"
technically
Why anyone would sign up for such a thing is beyond me
prolly because they have no idea what the fuck a thallax is
rustic spruce
What shit do the salamanders use to fuel their fire
normal stream
I'm sure most servitors are "willing" too, everyone is a willing participant to the omnissiah
😂
arctic talon
lul
storm jungle
What shit do the salamanders use to fuel their fire
Oil, what else
arctic talon
But Thallax are a step too far a lot of the time lol
storm jungle
not to be confused with the Riddley Scott production
normal stream
Tbh I kinda wish we could still field all thallax armies in 40k
dusk patrol
We don’t use no normal oil
dusk patrol
We use Space Oil
arctic talon
Also ngl I feel like the salamanders would use like coal and stuff
normal stream
I'd love to do a full on ordo reductor force
dusk patrol
It’s like normal oil
arctic talon
for their forges lol
rustic spruce
Didn’t vulkan have a weapon that was coated in special super fire
normal stream
They still exist in 40k
Yeah I meant that more as a proper army option
dusk patrol
Although it also doesn’t
arctic talon
Yeah I meant that more as a proper army option
ah, fair enough
plush mason
Promethium aka a made up word that sounds cool and futuristic but is literally just a catch all for what ever the fuck fuel the imperium can get its hands on
normal stream
Tech thralls with Las locks aren't cool enough
normal stream
The radium shit is kinda wat to me
arctic talon
and also super fucking edgy lol
dusk patrol
Promethium aka a made up word that sounds cool and futuristic but is literally j...
sips Amasec
arctic talon
radium weaponry makes sense tbf
dusk patrol
lights Iho-stick
arctic talon
the admech is pretty good at cleaning up radiation
dusk patrol
You want a cup of recaff?
arctic talon
memes aside
normal stream
It's like "how extreme grimdark can we make admech" to the point of "wtf is going on here lulz"
dusk patrol
I’m gonna look out the window with my binocs
arctic talon
honestly wouldn't say radium weaponry makes 0 sense
personally
On the otherhand torsion weaponry is just excessively stupid lol
its too much lol
normal stream
Sure but irradiating everything everywhere kinda makes very little sense, if we consider that it's literally just collateral damage everywhere
arctic talon
I mean radiation doesn't matter on a forge world usually
plush mason
honestly wouldn't say radium weaponry makes 0 sense
if it didnt leak worse than a blown nuclear reactor it would honestly be a bit practical in some instances
arctic talon
if it didnt leak worse than a blown nuclear reactor it would honestly be a bit p...
oh it doesn't leak
is the funny thing
if you don't fire a radium weaponry it doesn't give off radiation lol
its why Vanguards actually purge their gear of radiation inbetween missions
rustic spruce
What defenses do admech use against emp’s
arctic talon
like haywire tech?
Most of their stuff is shielded somehow
from a lore perspective
Only EMPs admech stuff really doesn't play nice with is Eldar haywire stuff
Tau EMPs fuck with their vehicles however
rustic spruce
How do tau’s lord of war units stack up against other factions
Like how do stormsurge or supremacy armor fair against titans
storm jungle
They are literally titan-killers
the fact that this thing has to be bolted down before firing probably says it
dusk patrol
Yeah, it’s suspension is shit
plush mason
lol
storm jungle
arctic talon
How do tau’s lord of war units stack up against other factions
Manta is a titan killer
dusk patrol
I do enjoy the BEEG GUN Mecha from Tau though
arctic talon
Tigershark is also a titan killer
dusk patrol
They’re fun looking
storm jungle
you can literally kill someone with a Manta IRL
normal stream
They are literally titan-killers
Until a warlord steps on it
dusk patrol
you can literally kill someone with a Manta IRL
Ask Steve Irwin
storm jungle
Too soon lmao
arctic talon
you can bludgon someone to death with a manta irl yes
plush mason
are all tau tanks named after sharks?
dusk patrol
Fishy mostly
normal stream
To be fair nothing the tau have quite stacks up scale wise to titans, but they're able to deploy them far more easily, cheaply, and en masse to make up for it
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
but thats because its a fucking spaceship in 40k
normal stream
Yeah, I was gonna say lol
arctic talon
and spaceships in 40k are absurdly large
dusk patrol
Fun factoid
atomic pelican
Goofy ass walker vs orbital bombardment
dusk patrol
The basic star fighter for the Imperium is titan sized
arctic talon
it also has like a crew of 12 at minimum o
normal stream
Ironically the actual orbital bombardment is not that great in tt
arctic talon
orbital bombardment has always sucked lol
shadow plover
you can literally kill someone with a Manta IRL
I'm sure you could do that with a well placed Grot as well tbh
arctic talon
even back when it was a 5 pt. upgrade
plush mason
The basic star fighter for the Imperium is titan sized
whats that called?
rustic spruce
When’s forgeworld gonna give the people what they want, an ork rok
worn pagoda
It would please me ever so much to get the tank tread groin cover.
dusk patrol
They vary in size but the largest interceptors are bigger than most Warlords
dusk patrol
It would please me ever so much to get the tank tread groin cover.
I would bet money we will
It’s such an obvious choice, that and the Bullgryn masks
plush mason
dusk patrol
worn pagoda
I hope for the proper bullgryn head
arctic talon
When’s forgeworld gonna give the people what they want, an ork rok
The Stompa kit already comes with instructions without numbers lol
worn pagoda
I was the shitty ugly bane mask
dusk patrol
I hope we get a brute shield at some point
I feel like we have to
So few weapon options for Ogryn
arctic talon
thats bcs they share nothing
with anyone else
So they have a tiny weapons selection in comparison
storm jungle
Yeah like
ogryn is gonna get literally any canon outfit in artwork/minis
since his range is already barren
after that its prob custom armor once they run out of stuff
dusk patrol
Another reason Gun Luggar is such an obvious choice
It lets them add a ton of weapons like a Heavy Bolter
celest dome
Still not certain that there aren't more weapon pattern for the Ogryn Shield that exchange the weapon
dusk patrol
I think we’ll also get some proper big cleavers for Ogryns too
dusk patrol
Still not certain that there aren't more weapon pattern for the Ogryn Shield tha...
This too
I want my power maul in the game dammit
worn pagoda
Ogryns are very specialized in terms of abhumans.
dusk patrol
I want to use it
worn pagoda
You wouldn't think so.
dusk patrol
Relatively specialized but they have some variety
worn pagoda
But truth is they have to be catered to in a way few others do.
celest dome
Multi Laser and Lascannon (Same weapon, different Pattern)
Great weapon, but ou get some heat management to compensate
dusk patrol
Multilaser is very different from a lascannon
celest dome
I know
worn pagoda
Every Ogryn weapon has to be simple and durable. Capable of being a melee weapon even if it's a gun.
celest dome
But both would benefit from the same system
worn pagoda
Ogryns are just lucky doors to anything important are always large because they're built to spec for primarchs. Just in case.
dusk patrol
Yeah
stark frigate
Played so much Darktide that I've started mentally using "karking" and "karked" instead of fucking and fucked
nocturne jetty
Bolter gun is op?
solar canopy
Bolter gun is op?
singel tap with ridiculous damage yeah
nocturne jetty
singel tap with ridiculous damage yeah
lol
solar canopy
and you can just unload like a full auto shotgun in panic aswell
solar canopy
low ammo count though
nocturne jetty
is that strong too?
nocturne jetty
There is also a Staff which fires Electric
psyker
I dont quite like having like 3 Ogryns
Or 3 Psykers
3 Vets with Bolt gun
HAhahaa
celest dome
This seem to be for gameplay help or theorycrafting
celest dome
Again
solar canopy
i mean lore-perspective boltgun is basically a rocket launcher
celest dome
Not the correct place
nocturne jetty
Not the correct place
Yes
celest dome
i mean lore-perspective boltgun is basically a rocket launcher
This fine
nocturne jetty
i mean lore-perspective boltgun is basically a rocket launcher
True
spark relic
i mean lore-perspective boltgun is basically a rocket launcher
More or less, it depends on the pattern
solar canopy
dunno if that makes it "op"
nocturne jetty
There is also another Weapon but i forgot
spark relic
Plasma gun?
celest dome
More or less, it depends on the pattern
They all are Rocket launcher
Gyrojets are still rockets
nocturne jetty
Also there are some Mechanics i dont like in DT
solar canopy
i just wish the plasma gun would actually be as cool as i imagien it in the lore
nocturne jetty
Also there are some Mechanics i dont like in DT
When you get Shooted by Enemies you get Slowdown
solar canopy
as of now its not
nocturne jetty
oof
elder tide
Also there are some Mechanics i dont like in DT
Which and why out of curiosity
barren tapir
This sound more like theorycrafting
elder tide
Like the aesthetic doesn't fit?
spark relic
When you get Shooted by Enemies you get Slowdown
That's realistic
nocturne jetty
Rip
celest dome
Also there are some Mechanics i dont like in DT
Again, not the correct place
nocturne jetty
Imagine if Enemies can Stagger you
worn pagoda
The gun that fires miniature suns
You mean the Sunfury?
nocturne jetty
Again, not the correct place
spark relic
You mean the Sunfury?
Sure, never heard of it but sure
elder tide
What's wrong with the mechanics in DT
dusk patrol
What's wrong with the mechanics in DT
What’s wrong is my foot that is gonna mechanic itself in your ass if you don’t keep gameplay discussion out of the lore channel
arctic talon
The gun that fires miniature suns
That’s every plasma gun technically
spark relic
That's what I meant
arctic talon
Sunfury plasma annihilator is just really big
elder tide
Why are you. The game is literally in 40k and we're discussing the lore of the game.
worn pagoda
The largest walmart in the nation in fact
elder tide
We're not discussing stagger or wound mechanics lmao
barren tapir
What the hell is with this awful channel invasion?!?!
celest dome
Why are you. The game is literally in 40k and we're discussing the lore of the g...
You were discussing Mechanics
storm jungle
Why are you. The game is literally in 40k and we're discussing the lore of the g...
They are allowed to protest
worn pagoda
LOL
storm jungle
THAT WASNT ME ITS THE BOT
barren tapir
Wow
elder tide
Oh I thought we were talking about adeptus mechanics NOT the mechanics of the game
Nvm lmao
arctic talon
💀
barren tapir
Ok, starting to take bets to see how much until he got timed out
spark relic
Ok, starting to take bets to see how much until he got timed out
Put me down for twenty thrones
barren tapir
Praise the Omnissaiah!
elder tide
I got confused. I thought we were talking about lore AT and the ones in DT were wrong. Not the mechanics like of the game nvm
storm jungle
Shut up
I aint timing anyone out unless they are being a dick so
oh whoops wrong reply
💀
celest dome
0 for 3 rations (No Corpsestarch)
barren tapir
Not you Dil, the bot
barren tapir
I heard it did a lot of work at the start lol
arctic talon
For typing like this lol
storm jungle
Yeah its in the trial phase atm
elder tide
Doesn't like caps lock. V sensitive