40k-lore-chat

[broken zenith]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010808100413/http://www.games-workshop.com/40kuniverse/warhammer40k/tyranids/genesis.htm
this is also a good article by Games Development team on the origins of the Tyranids overall

[crisp heath]

But didn’t get action until now

Things brew over time, and this was one of Blizzards awful actions that brewed over time till it was too horrible to keep contained

[ebon zinc]

Since like early 2010s yeah?

[broken zenith]

Andy Chambers left GW and joined Blizzard around 2006

[crisp heath]

It’s been going on for a long time yeah, I’m glad action was served though, even if Blizzard probably still hasn’t learned their lesson

[broken zenith]

Andy Chambers is basically the father of modern 40k, the conceptual father of the Tyranids, Necrons and Tau Empire

[ebon zinc]

Unfortunately still not enough to bring down Blizzard tho

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

It’s a shame he went on to a worse company overall

But then again idk how GW fairs

Or what their practices are

DunkinRhodes, one of their painters retired from being a GW painter to make his own YouTube, and he can finally show off army painter stuff now

[broken zenith]

I remember BoLS calling it a good shot back then xD

[crisp heath]

He’s really good too

lmfao

The way things can change in an instant

[broken zenith]

ikr lol

[crisp heath]

I’m gonna probably just lurk now, don’t got much else to talk about

[broken zenith]

Duncan Rhodes is legend ❤️

Nuln Oil, always 👌 😌

ah, found the article, it was Spikey Bits, not BoLS, my bad D:
https://spikeybits.com/2016/08/100-accurate-history-gw-matt-ward-satire.html

*"hat, in a nutshell, is the history of Ward in 40k. He was one of the best designers and one of the worst writers, but if you ignore the writing, then the only designer in the GW studio that has ever put more fresh ideas into 40k was Andy Chambers.

Andy Chambers by the way, works at Blizzard now, and he’s probably never going back. I wouldn’t go back to GW if I was him either- Irvine is sunnier and nicer than Nottingham, the Blizzard campus has a full gym and outdoor volleyball court and weekly massage sessions, and I’m sure he’s getting paid out the ass."*

that didn't age well xD

[noble hinge]

Imperium is stronger then Tau and Orcs yes?

[dusk patrol]

Orks aren’t a single thing so mostly yes

If the Orks somehow unified it’s hard to say, it’s very undefined how big they are, they’re just fucking everywhere.

Everyone and their mom is “stronger” than the Tau

[broken zenith]

Farsight best imo

hungry bug boiz ❤️

[feral agate]

Tau are a speck of dust in the scale of the galaxy. They’re comparatively strong, but literally any other faction could extinct them just with numbers alone

The continued existence of Tau Empire in 40k is explained with “nobody bothered to wipe them out yet”

[crisp heath]

LOL paid out the ass

That’s funny

He’s probably getting paid bare minimum at this point

[broken zenith]

Yup, sadly 😔

[crisp heath]

It’d probably be best to go back to GW at this point

[tulip sand]

Someone explain matt ward to me pls

[broken zenith]

Imperium is basically a juggernaut extending across 70,000 light years of a galaxy extending across 100,000 light years. For reference, the closest exoplanet to Earth, Proxima b, from the closest star system, Alpha Centauri, is 4 light years away, meaning it would take 4 years to reach Proxima b at light speed. Tau Empire is pretty much insignificant at this stage, but they can become a threat if they are left alone, and there is the problem of them basically being a nuisance such as their manoeuvre during the Taros Campaign exactly when the Imperium was already preparing for the 13th Black Crusade.

[broken zenith]

He was a Games Development team designer of GW for 4E-7E 40k and 6E-8E WFB. He is known for his 5th Edition Codices such as Codex: Space Marines, Codex: Necrons, Codex: Blood Angels, Codex: Grey Knights overall and Wood Elves in WFB from 6E to 8E.

[tulip sand]

Why is he disliked tho

[arctic talon]

Because of codex grey knights

[broken zenith]

He was also one of the designers that worked on the End Times alongside Josh Reynolds.

[tulip sand]

What's end times?

[arctic talon]

And also because the codex ultramarines he was writing got turned into codex space marines

[broken zenith]

whatever he touched was OP beyond words

[tulip sand]

Alt history

[arctic talon]

And if you know what a codex looks like

[tulip sand]

Oh lol

Ive seen them at a GW store

[arctic talon]

You might guess why people didn’t like codex ultramarines becoming codex space marines

[broken zenith]

his 6E Wood Elves army book gave everyone else a PTSD in 2005 basically.

[arctic talon]

Honestly he’s not even a terrible fluff writer half the time

But he’s written some pretty terrible stuff for 40k unfortunately

[crisp heath]

He made really good Necron books

Like Trazyn

[arctic talon]

Overall I’d say he’s done more good then bad for the setting

[crisp heath]

He gets memed a lot though

For his Ultramarines

[arctic talon]

Yeah because it’s low hanging fruit

[tulip sand]

Well the necrons are kind of op but i think people like them now

[arctic talon]

Necrons have always been op

[crisp heath]

Necrons are very loved

[arctic talon]

He just gave them an actual personality and motivation as a faction

[crisp heath]

Especially the Infinite and the Divine

[broken zenith]

I'm not a fan of Matt Ward in the least simply put myself.

[crisp heath]

Being a great comedic book compared to 40k grimdark setting

[tulip sand]

I wonder what the original people from the 80s would think abt 40k now

[crisp heath]

Trazyn having the personality he has today is why he’s so loved

[storm jungle]

Not much

[broken zenith]

I'd understand if there are people that like his works, but personally I don't.

[arctic talon]

Tbf he wrote a lot of dialogue for VT1 and 2

[tulip sand]

/what they do think abt it now

[storm jungle]

the original makers just moved on from the setting

i doubt they care that much

[arctic talon]

^yeah this

[storm jungle]

40k is more or so what it is now as it was before

just

A LOT less jokes

and more morbid comedy

[tulip sand]

Morb

[crisp heath]

Matt Ward gets joked about and hated a lot because of his god awful space marine writing

[storm jungle]

Also a lot less commentary on british politics

[broken zenith]

Jes Goodwin is still with GW, he designed LoV again like he did back in RT

[storm jungle]

Hes still harassed on twitter to this day too

[crisp heath]

What’s LoV?

[arctic talon]

Yeah because the thing was meant to be codex ultramarines lol, which is why it was all ultramarine wank

[broken zenith]

Leagues of Votann

[storm jungle]

Leagues of Memetann

[tulip sand]

I can see the bureaucracy and depreciation being the NHS lmaoo

[storm jungle]

the new space dwarves

[broken echo]

I've been learning more and more about the necron lore (because I might be swapping to them being my favourite faction) and by the C'tan are their named characters fantastic

[crisp heath]

That’s sad

[storm jungle]

Hes an adult so he deals with it fine but it can be really toxic

[broken zenith]

Squats re-imagined and re-integrated after decades of absence

[tulip sand]

There will always be shitterd

Shitters

[broken zenith]

fun fact: talking about Squats was basically banned back in early 00s GW forums

[crisp heath]

Ooooh

[tulip sand]

I think most people know thst and handle it now

[storm jungle]

The new daemons codex had an entry where people didn't want to get vaccinated from a nurgle plague because his "faith in the emperor would save him."

Where did I hear that before

[tulip sand]

Why

[arctic talon]

Literally 1984

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Mfw the priest trying to convince him to get a shot but he believes his faith is all he needs

[storm jungle]

Im glad we dont have stupid people like that IRL

right

[arctic talon]

[tulip sand]

Tbf pfizer has been really bad about their disclosure, the contracts they showed the EU commission were entirely redacted it was hilarious

[arctic talon]

Let me guess he got turned into a pox walker

[broken zenith]

https://web.archive.org/web/20030423053502fw_/http://www.games-workshop.com/membership/eshare.pl?do=ReadThread&BoardID=4&ID=1648350&R=4#A1648350

[tulip sand]

Bro take in theres q anon people who thought jfk got revived

[crisp heath]

Me who got moderna because I believe it is the best

[tulip sand]

At least moderna sent their ceo to the hearing pfizer just sent some random person who didnt know anything lool

Interesting about squats

Why were they removed

[crisp heath]

The excuse they weren’t making money is actually false

People have found out recently they were actually still quite popular

And bought

[tulip sand]

By 3rd party?

[broken zenith]

Jervis Johnson is still with GW too, Jervis Johnson was the one to come up with the Horus Heresy backstory in 1987 RT rulebook

[crisp heath]

GW using excuses as usual

[tulip sand]

How are third party models viewed generally

Is it looked down upon or are they indistinguishable

[broken zenith]

and Jervis Johnson was the head of Specialist Games overall, and the father of 4 editions of Epic

[arctic talon]

The reasoning was GW literally didn’t want to do it anymore bcs they couldn’t figure out a theme

[broken zenith]

(plz bring back Epic Jervis ❤️ )

[arctic talon]

For the squats

[crisp heath]

Me lucky to choose moderna then

[arctic talon]

At this point they might bring back epic lol

[crisp heath]

Yup, this is correct

[arctic talon]

Considering we got fucking titanicus back

Nothing is off the table at this point imo

[crisp heath]

They can be used as long as you paint them and make them look good

[tulip sand]

Well they had the same efficiency more or less and did their job

[crisp heath]

People generally want others to have painted models

[tulip sand]

I see

[broken zenith]

It was a mystery back in 2003 until Jervis Johnson on Specialist Games forum commented on it

Jervis Johnson's explanation on Epic forums was clearer in that regard, making it apparent as to why the Squats were absent.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070221095649/http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic/forum_b/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=2532&whichpage=3

[tulip sand]

I plan to play guard once i have more free time but i have bad fine motor skills and theres tons of models to move

[crisp heath]

2004

Jeez

[broken zenith]

Squats couldn't make it to 3E TT reboot in 1998 basically, and people were wondering why exactly, which led to ban on talking about Squats on GW forums in early 00s.

[crisp heath]

I was only 3 years old

[tulip sand]

Same

[broken zenith]

but at least Squats could make it to 2E 40k in 1993 as per Black Codex unlike the Chaos Squats who couldn't even make it beyond RT 😭

[crisp heath]

Gotta love those 2001 termagants they still don’t wanna update

[tulip sand]

So codexes are rulebooks and you need to buy them right

[crisp heath]

I’m as old as the termagant mold lmfao

[tulip sand]

So where would i find tutorials on how the tabletop game works

[shadow plover]

they're probably next on the list for most of the troops for all factions have been refreshed in the last few years

[tulip sand]

Because im sure given how many models are on the field they have timesavers etc

Also what happens if a model gets updated, is the old one now not usable?

[broken zenith]

Chaos Squats are soooo old that they couldn't even make it to 4E 1994 WFB Chaos Dwarfs reboot with Hashut, Bulls and Mesopotamian re-imagining.

[crisp heath]

Wahapedia is a good site if you don’t have the rules

[shadow plover]

still usable, just not sold new anymore

[tulip sand]

Wahapedia lmao

[broken zenith]

so Chaos Squats still carried the DNA of the original Chaos Dwarfs of 2E-3E WFB as worshipping all four (as well as the Perry Twins and John Blanche gritty industrial aesthetics instead of Mesopotamian aesthetics and bulls) instead of a minor Chaos God, Hashut.

[crisp heath]

It’s still usable, just needs to be on the right base size

As long as it’s not drastically different

Say the old metal great unclean one and the plastic one we have today

It’s so drastically different the old one can’t be played as a great unclean one

[crisp heath]

And battlescribe would be your best bet for list rosters

And how to play the game? YouTube

You’d wanna search YouTube

[arctic talon]

You can still play them actually, just need them on the right base size

it looks a bit silly since they're so small but you can use the fuckin cardboard killa-can from 3rd edition

[broken zenith]

ah, good ol poorhammer

[crisp heath]

Oh my god I saw those

[arctic talon]

the one on the left is an offical gw product

[crisp heath]

Imagine kill cans but made from actual cans

[arctic talon]

this is not a joke

[broken zenith]

yup

[arctic talon]

also if you're wondering what GW store policy about 3d printed stuff is don't scream about how you printed it out and no one will do anything

[crisp heath]

I remember seeing those online somewhere

[arctic talon]

bcs like

[broken zenith]

GW and CM was still trying to come up with the working formula at the time, especially with Tom Kirby finally introducing the idea of Army Books and Codices, also called Kirby Formula

[arctic talon]

most GW store managers don't give a shit about 3d printed stuff, the one place where the no 3d printed stuff is enforced

is Warhammer World

and you can still use 3d printed bits

[crisp heath]

I’m only gonna be 3D printing forge world models mostly anyways

For my horus heresy stuff

[broken zenith]

80s and 90s were the era when Citadel Miniatures would produce minis for which there were no rules such as C27 Chaos Snakemen of Chaz Elliott from the Third Citadel Compendium 1985 (encouraged to proxy as Chaos Beastmen) or Aly Morrison's Oriental Heroes OH5 Fox Priest (encouraged to proxy as Vim-to Priest and Warrior Monk in 2E and 3E WFB), or when Games Development team would write rules for something that has no Citadel Miniatures minis of such as almost anything as the player was encouraged to convert at the time.

Chapterhouse court case was the final nail in the coffin for conversions :c

I miss the time when GW webstore was selling individual bits for conversion, and even making entire conversion box sets for armies like Lost and the Damned in 3E 40k 2003 and Vampire Coast in 6E WFB 2005

[crisp heath]

Chapterhouse?

What’s that?

[broken zenith]

it was a 3rd party manufacturer that produced GW minis

without GW's consent

especially for units that had no models for

[crisp heath]

Dang..

[broken zenith]

thus GW lost the court case since they couldn't justify writing rules for something that had no product to sell for

[crisp heath]

That sucks

[broken zenith]

yup, pretty much

GW's afraid of writing rules for things that have no Citadel minis of as such ever since

or FW

but GW cannibalised FW, so RIP

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[broken zenith]

back in 3E, there were entires armies you had to basically convert such as the Lost and the Damned

or many variant armies of 6E WFB

[crisp heath]

It sounds like those were fun times

[broken zenith]

yesssss ❤️

[crisp heath]

Wish I got into Warhammer during those times

Instead of 4 years ago right after high school

[broken zenith]

3E 40k and 6E WFB was peak Warhammer experience for me personally

[shadow plover]

Well all in all Warhammer is pretty much living it's renaissance at the moment so it's not a bad time to start either

[crisp heath]

It’s just too expensive for me…

[full bane]

Around 5E/6E is when 40k started going downhill, with it recovering momentum at the tail end of 7th and into 8th

[crisp heath]

As a college student, with no real job

[broken zenith]

Lost and the Damned ❤️

especially the Blood Pact variant army list from WD 293 😍

[full bane]

Kroot Mercs army list my beloved

[broken zenith]

yessss

Kroot Mercenaries were awesome

Andy Hoare's masterpiece

[crimson scarab]

I smell Oldhammer

[full bane]

Flying kroot with meltaguns? Sure, why not!

[broken zenith]

https://web.archive.org/web/20070610125404/http://uk.games-workshop.com/tau/kroot-mercenaries/

[crisp heath]

I was shown the old Tyranid models

[broken zenith]

punji traps ❤️

[crisp heath]

The warriors

[broken zenith]

stalker kindred

[crisp heath]

And the Neurothrope

[broken zenith]

evolutionary traits rule was soooo awesome

[full bane]

Old Catachans had access to the traps as well IIRC

[broken zenith]

yup

Catachans vs Kroot Mercenaries made for some interesting battle reports

especially since Kroot Mercenaries were also involved in the 13th Black Cruade/EoT global campaign albeit in the Order side

[full bane]

Don't forget the Tanith special units where you revealed a Sniper hiding in the far corner of the map who vanishes once someone gets close.

[crisp heath]

I feel young

[broken zenith]

yup, or Death Worlds army list overall, Armageddon Ork Hunters ❤️

[crisp heath]

My friends make me feel old while you all make me feel young

[broken zenith]

3E had sooo many armies and variant armies (the same for 6E WFB)

[full bane]

While I appreciate 8th Ed for making the ruleset more accessible and less bloated (before they made it worse by flooding the game with 50 Strategams per codex), I really miss the absolute freeform blast that 3rd and 4th ed brought to the table. So many interesting and edge-case special rules that carried across the flavour of the setting.

[broken zenith]

ikr ❤️

[full bane]

Like killing a Synapse creature in those editions didn't just give them a penalty, they would become like NPCs where you roll on a table to see what they would do.

[broken zenith]

Tyranids also had evolutionary traits rules too

[slate gate]

Is 'Hel' a thing in 40k? It appears in one of the subtitles and I'm not sure if it's a typo. Google brings up a possible link to iron hands.

[broken zenith]

it was fun to create your own Tyranid bioforms back then

you could come up with crazy evolutionary combos

[full bane]

Playing a full Daemon army? Your army rips its way into reality at random points on the table using the deep strike rules. You could lose during the deployment phase if all your daemons scattered into terrain or off the map.

[broken zenith]

which eventually paved the way for Warwick Kinrade's FW nids stuff too

[full bane]

"Where are the daemons sarge, the warp storm just went away."

[woven ice]

Hel is more a name for the Warp

But not exactly

It's used in the typical sense of "Place the damned go, and overall a really shit place"

[crisp heath]

I miss the old hive fleet adaptation rules

[woven ice]

which is the warp

lmao

[crisp heath]

Being able to change before battles start was super cool

[broken zenith]

3E Codex: Daemonhunters Adversaries Daemonvessel rules for creating a Radical Daemonhunters army or Chaos Orks, Chaos Eldar and Chaos Tau ❤️

[slate gate]

I'll chalk it to acceptable slang for hell.

[crisp heath]

It made me feel like I was playing a hive fleet

And I was adapting to my opponent

[broken zenith]

I got fond memories of the Chaos Ulthwe Daemonvessel battle report of Phil Kelly from WD 280 The Wages of Sin

[crisp heath]

But they removed it

[broken zenith]

and Phil Kelly's Radical Daemonhunters army

[crisp heath]

Also, what are daemonhunters?

Other than grey knights

[broken zenith]

ikr 😍 💗

[crisp heath]

They need to bring that back, revert the nerf there

[broken zenith]

Ordo Malleus

[crisp heath]

They just overbloated the statlines of nids

[full bane]

Roughly, the Ordo Malleus of the Inquisition.

[crisp heath]

Oooooh okay, thank you

[broken zenith]

Daemonhunters in 3E was Ordo Malleus army with the Grey Knights as allied variant army list basically, you could go pure Ordo Malleus or pure Grey Knights or soup or allies

or even Radical

[crisp heath]

I didn’t know they had their own army

[full bane]

But with a bunch of other smaller organisations around them dedicated to a similar craft.

[full bane]

Used to be that the Inquisition was split into three two codices and rolled in with their Chamber Militant

[broken zenith]

You were forced to go pure Ordo Malleus if you had a Daemonhost as Elites choice since the player was forbidden from fielding Grey Knights as per the Inquisitor Lord as HQ choice in question being branded as a Radical or Heretic, and Inquisitor Lord Torquemada as a Special Character couldn't field a Daemonhost or Daemonvessel as per being a staunch Puritan.

thus the Daemonhunters player had to fill the two mandatory Troops choices of the Force Organisation Chart with the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers instead

since Allied Detachment didn't count towards mandatory Troops choices either.

[broken zenith]

RIP Codex: Alien Hunters 😭

[full bane]

So Codex: Daemonhunters was Ordo Malleus Inquisition, Grey Knights, and also Daemonhosts and other Radical daemon-powered stuff those Inquisitors use.

Codex: Witch Hunters was a mix of Inquisition, Sister of Battle, and Ecclesiarchy.

[woven ice]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-25986128

GK moment

[broken zenith]

I always suspected that 5E GK Jokaero was basically a left over of the Codex: Alien Hunters project

[full bane]

And there was no codex with Deathwatch and Xenos mercs.

[full bane]

It's buried out back, right next to Fires of Cyraxus

[broken zenith]

despite the fact that Codex: Alien Hunters was promised many times from Graham McNeill, Andy Hoare, Andy Chambers to Gav Thorpe 😭

[full bane]

And the rest of my AdMech stuff

[broken zenith]

RIP Alan Bligh

[crisp heath]

I really wish I got into Warhammer earlier

My parents didn’t trust me with model building though

[full bane]

I got into it in my early teens, around the late 2000s. I think they'd just gone into 5th Ed.
Always good to get into a nice hobby young I'd say.

[crisp heath]

I got into it when I was 18

And when I could get a job

[arctic talon]

I started around 6th edition iirc

[crisp heath]

I started 8th

[full bane]

Eh, you're only like 5-ish years off from when I started.

[arctic talon]

ngl 40k is more popular then ever lul

Its really nice how much it exploded

[full bane]

Not too bad

[crisp heath]

It’s just really expensive

[arctic talon]

Y E P

[crisp heath]

And all the price increases

Making it worse

[broken zenith]

8E was good

[arctic talon]

don't look at forgeworld prices

[full bane]

I had no money for minis so my friends and I played with like one actual squad each and cardboard circles with a printed picture glued on it.

[crisp heath]

I already know

[arctic talon]

ngl I hope 10e is better then 9e, but honestly I'd take 9th over 7th edition lol

[full bane]

Then over the next few years I actually built an army.

[arctic talon]

Because holy fuck 7th was prolly the least fun I've ever had with the game

[broken zenith]

rip wallet xD

[crisp heath]

I didn’t play much of 8th, but Tyranids didn’t really feel good in 8th..

GSC was cool though

[arctic talon]

8th was pretty poorly balanced unfortunatelly

[crisp heath]

And luckily still is

[full bane]

7th was cool in theory.

[arctic talon]

9th is ironically like

[broken zenith]

8E had huge balance issues initiallry in 2017 such as Ynnari soulburst

[arctic talon]

the best balanced edition

its just really fucking dense

[broken zenith]

and 2018-2019 was a great time for 8E imo

when the codices started trickling in

[arctic talon]

imo 9e is prolly the most balanced the game has been ever

[crisp heath]

Yeah, especially when I got bills to pay

[arctic talon]

Because well

[crisp heath]

Triptide in 8th

[arctic talon]

7e scion spam of doom, space marine's playing how many grav weapons can I fit in this list, Eldar flyers, Ynnari, Admech plasma spam

[crisp heath]

Oh god triptide

[full bane]

Lots of fun, flavourful rules.
Formations were "gimme all your money" but used sparingly they were fun.
You had the ability to kit your character...
And none of it mattered because in 7th it was all cheese and you'd die turn 1 if you weren't cheesing back.

[broken zenith]

poxwalker death blossom

infinite poxwalkers

❤️

[arctic talon]

You're telling me you don't want to die to 100 somthing scions? too bad die

[atomic pelican]

9e bangs. Also GW actually balances things in a timely manner

[broken zenith]

Yup, pretty much.

[arctic talon]

yeah as much as I shit on GW sometimes

this is prolly the best edition in a while

from a flavor and balance perspective

[crisp heath]

9e is nice, but Tyranids without the cool adaptation fluff just feels like 8th edition all over again

But instead of being bad we’re op

[arctic talon]

Tyranids are still a lot more flavorful then they were in 8th

[arctic talon]

imo

[broken zenith]

yessss ❤️

[arctic talon]

that wasn't 7th edition tbf

that was even older lol

[mossy mortar]

Yeah you're right

[crisp heath]

I feel like Tyranids just don’t have much of their identity in 9th, even if they are strong

[arctic talon]

eh not like they had much of their identity in earlier editions either

[atomic pelican]

My only problem with 9e is "Balance a mechanic for one faction" ex

Planes nerfed because orkz across the board

Bodyguard basically removed because grognard comp players abusing it(rip Locus being even slightly useful)

[arctic talon]

9th is by far the best flavor edition for a lot of factions

[crisp heath]

It’s why I play GSC

[arctic talon]

fair enough

[crisp heath]

because GW doesn’t know what to do with Nids

[arctic talon]

only real flavor fails this edition imo were orks due to weird shenanigans and admech

due to the weird seperation of cult mechanicus and skitarii again

[full bane]

That was like 5th Ed I believe.

[crisp heath]

Is that white scars bike spam?

[atomic pelican]

Admech are flavorful because their codex is a clusterfuck of interworking parts that no one understands

[arctic talon]

LMFAO

[broken zenith]

might be hot take as far as I see on Bolter and Chainsword or Dakka Dakka but I actually like 9E

[mossy mortar]

Peak 40k was 5th ed imo

[arctic talon]

nah not really a hot take

[atomic pelican]

9e is p popular with people who actually play

[arctic talon]

^

this lol

[atomic pelican]

Thus the growing fanbase

[crisp heath]

Hey, at least Locus is good in kill team

[mossy mortar]

Hot take is the best 40k game rules was Epic 40k

[arctic talon]

the people who complain the loudest about 9e have barely played it usually

[full bane]

5th was when it started going downhill imo (at least late 5th into 6th).
The real peak was 3rd/4th.

[arctic talon]

Okay Epic rules were really good lol

[broken zenith]

I've seen a ton of "9E worst" threads on Bolter and Chainsword

[atomic pelican]

He isss

[arctic talon]

how the fuck is 9e the worst

[full bane]

It's not a hot take if you're right though.

[arctic talon]

When 7e exists lol

or fuckin 5e

[mossy mortar]

Universal special rules were so confusing and annoying i gave up honestly

[crisp heath]

I still use him for those purposes, and that’s what matters to me, I still take the model off the shelf

So he doesn’t collect dust

[arctic talon]

No one can fucking tell me that they want to go back to hotshot and grav spam

[broken zenith]

Well, that's what the threads argue constantly when talking about 10E reboot or not

[arctic talon]

because I doubt anyone wants to play that shit

[mossy mortar]

I remember when hellguns were literally just lasguns with AP5

[crisp heath]

I hope 10e starter box is nids

[mossy mortar]

Heh

[arctic talon]

Hotshots AP3 was fucking hilarious

[crisp heath]

And they actually get their fluff

[mossy mortar]

Yeah that was a hell of a buff

[full bane]

I mean it's well balanced but I do think that it's the worst from a pure design perspective.

[arctic talon]

even if it was absurd

[atomic pelican]

I still wish Wyrmblade could run Aco Hybrids or aberrants for melee

[arctic talon]

Nids deserve an update imo

[broken zenith]

omg I hope so 🤞

[atomic pelican]

I would love the Abom in KT

[arctic talon]

Fair enough

[mossy mortar]

What should be updated for nids

[arctic talon]

Gaunts in general

[mossy mortar]

I think synapse should be redone

[atomic pelican]

Basically all their troops

[arctic talon]

those molds are older then some of the people who play nids

[crisp heath]

It would be nice honestly, but I see why no aberrants as they would be hard to control for a kill team mission

[mossy mortar]

Oh you mean the models updated

[broken zenith]

Funnily enough, people in favour of 10E reboot are arguing that GW should roll back to USR

[arctic talon]

yeah

[crisp heath]

It’s like telling an ogryn to go on a stealth mission

[arctic talon]

USR were a mistake imo

the game was confusing as fuck for new players

[broken zenith]

ye, I wasn't a fan of USR either myself

[mossy mortar]

Well the problem was they couldn't stick to them

[atomic pelican]

Hmm I love playing the same army across the game with different skins

[mossy mortar]

They started making up one off rules again within one round of rulebooks

[crisp heath]

What’s USR?

I never heard of it

[arctic talon]

imo if GW takes the lessons they learned in 9th and 8th I feel like 10th will be one of the best editions ever

[full bane]

Like 3rd to 7th was iterating off the previous edition, 8th was a fresh start meant to lower the barrier to entry...
9th keeps the baseline ruleset of 8th, then overcomplicates it in points where they should keep it simple while also keeping simplified systems where you'd want more depth.

[atomic pelican]

Instead of army abilities that were unique, there were generic abilities doled out p much

[arctic talon]

Universal special rules, like feel no pain, it will not die, ect.

Deepstrike

[full bane]

Also Strategam bloat making 9th a complicated game without being one you can really plan around.

[mossy mortar]

But they put them all in a separate book

[arctic talon]

Yeah stratagems are pretty shit rn

[crisp heath]

Oh, those things, I honestly don’t like invulns, FNP and such

[arctic talon]

way too many

And half of them aren't even used except for a few specific moments

[atomic pelican]

Stratagems are shit but they rlly arent as complicated as ppl think

[mossy mortar]

The whole thing is very confusing and im glad i don't play anmyore

[atomic pelican]

Unless ur GSC, you only use like 3 stratagems

Esp in Nephilim

[crisp heath]

lol true

[arctic talon]

Honestly killteam > then 40k rn

And AOS > 40k

[full bane]

USRs weren't too bad, it's the formatting and the fact that there's no reminder text which made them more approachable.

[crisp heath]

We don’t even use warlord traits for GSC much

A lot of comp lists skip on WLT and use only relics

[atomic pelican]

Even GSC I still mostly just use overloaded fuel cells/Massed firearms/dig them out

And occasional covering fire

[crisp heath]

I’ve seen people use oppressors bane calamvus

Over using warlord traits

[atomic pelican]

Thats the funniest thing ever

[crisp heath]

And it works surprisingly well

[atomic pelican]

I mostly play crusade now for GSC because Nephilim is literal cockpain for GSC

[crisp heath]

Because giving a clamavus crossfire is actually not terrible

With a from every angle sanctus with sniper too

[atomic pelican]

Hmm aha yes let us nerf cp amounts and not keep in mind the armies which burn 3 in creation

[arctic talon]

stares at admech winrate

[atomic pelican]

Yep

[arctic talon]

it dropped 6 percent lmfao

[full bane]

Yeah if you're caught up on the meta, but in previous editions outside of a few unique special rules you could look at your opponents list and statlines and get a good idea of what they'd do even if you weren't caught up in the meta.
Now you're either looking at "this is the meta strategams" or you dig through 25 different special rules which affect only certain units to get an idea of your opponents capabilities.

[atomic pelican]

Nephilim was well intended but not faqing some armies is rlly bad

[crisp heath]

Could use cranial inlay CP farming nexos

[arctic talon]

thats almost impressive if it wasn't depressing lol

Also marine players don't like this edition because Marines are

not doing hot lol

[full bane]

It's just bloated and not as fun imo.

[arctic talon]

unless you're playing blood angels most marine factions are pretty bad

[atomic pelican]

The problem is we have to burn 3cp to shoot effectively

[crisp heath]

Nephilim nerfing CP was both good and bad, I mean, it made Chaos Space Marine players use the damned Noctilith Crown for CP farming

[atomic pelican]

But that does help

[arctic talon]

imo GW had the right idea

but it was executed poorly

[atomic pelican]

I think pregame cp should be separate

[arctic talon]

honestly they should prolly kill half the stratagems

[atomic pelican]

That too

[crisp heath]

It’s funny seeing a noctilith crown being used for CP

[arctic talon]

rn for most factions

[full bane]

I'm personally hoping they get rolled into datasheets as something a specific unit can do for a cost, and we instead get the Horus Heresy 2 reactions.

Those look like a ton of fun.

[arctic talon]

Yeah I agree

That would be really fun

[crisp heath]

Yeah, true, the list I use has 3 cp perfect for the strat, and the cp spent was wyrmtooth kelermorph, oppressors bane clamavus (I wanted to try it out) and cranial inlay nexos

[arctic talon]

HH 2 reactions are really well done

[crisp heath]

But my favorite GSC meme list, is definitely my baneblade

[atomic pelican]

8e->9e fluff glowup was amazing. It rlly makes me excited for the next iteration of armybooks

I do miss jackal bombs though

They would be stupid if they ecisted now tho

[arctic talon]

honestly 10e could be the best edition ever, or it could be overwhelmingly mediocre

[odd rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/baneblade-warhammer-40k-tank-gif-16557244

[crisp heath]

Jackals are still use en mass

[arctic talon]

we'll see lol

[full bane]

HH gives me hope

[crisp heath]

I’ve seen jackal bike spam used

[atomic pelican]

Oh I know. But used to you could deepstrike them 3", throw 5 democharges and 5 blast charges

Then do it again in shooting phase

[crisp heath]

Oh jeez, that sounds fun lol

[atomic pelican]

I oneshotted old ghaz like that once

[arctic talon]

GW has learned a lot imo

[crisp heath]

I didn’t play much of 8th

[atomic pelican]

I didnt play 8e but I played 8e GSC in 9e

[crisp heath]

I was too busy trying to afford my army in 8e

lmao

And I’m still selling armies I don’t play to fuel my GSC

[arctic talon]

also unironically Leagues Of Votaan have a really well balanced codex internally

[atomic pelican]

Also mind control used to literally let you use the other players models

[arctic talon]

on the otherhand uhhhhhhh

[crisp heath]

because I’m not even close to finishing

[arctic talon]

I don't think I need to elaborate the issues

[atomic pelican]

If everything is(was) broken, nothing is!

[arctic talon]

the leagues of votaan have

[atomic pelican]

LMAO

[crisp heath]

That sounds awful for the opponent lol

[atomic pelican]

It was LMAO

[arctic talon]

honestly best balanced codex internally is prolly GSC

[atomic pelican]

I once killed a TC with another russ

For sure

[arctic talon]

comedy

[atomic pelican]

GSC have the best codex of the ed imo

[crisp heath]

GSC is and has always been the most balanced

[atomic pelican]

We just fall behind because everything else is goofier

[crisp heath]

Idk how

But GW knows how to make GSC good but not op or trash

[atomic pelican]

+Aboms and Abbies/Jackal Alphus need to be better or lower pointed

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah

Those models are the only ones lacking

[atomic pelican]

Hmm yes 3 attacks for a melee character

[crisp heath]

When even the clamavus sees use then that’s a problem for those

[atomic pelican]

Most Powerful

[broken echo]

I heard yarrik is... ||dead|| and I want to know what happened

[crisp heath]

God I saw that

Whyyyyy

[woven ice]

Angron.

[slender orchid]

GSC are in a weird spot where their Combat Patrol box is just... Amazing. Buy 3, some actual genestealers, and a broodcoven and you have an actual army

[broken echo]

The khore primarch?

[woven ice]

Yep.

[crisp heath]

The combat patrol for GSC is SOOOO good

[atomic pelican]

Ive been trying to make him work. His reroll aura is p good. So I run him in a rockgrinder with 5 Abbies and From All Angles on the truck

[woven ice]

https://youtu.be/vdr1A4fMQck

[atomic pelican]

For truck deepstrike

[crisp heath]

I’m selling some armies just to pick a combat patrol up with some characters

[broken echo]

Has Ghazkull (ghazskull? Ghizkull? Ghazcool?) heard?

[woven ice]

No idea

There's gonna be a tonne of green charging at red soon tho

[crisp heath]

Sounds like a fun list, I wanna see more aberrants and abominant

[broken echo]

I would love to see that

[atomic pelican]

Theyre sadly still very underwhelming considering thats like 19pl of stuff. But god they sometimes do Hit big

[broken echo]

Just imagine Ghazkull charging directly into the planet yarrik was killed on to krump the angry gitz

[atomic pelican]

If I was a insane person I would just run 200 neophytes

[crisp heath]

I really wish some vehicles had a little over the slots for transports like in HH like 6 open slots to run a squad of 5 and an HQ, or 12 for bigger transports

Or 24 like the Spartan

[woven ice]

red spoiky gitz

[broken zenith]

I hope for a GSC Special Character at some point. RIP CJ41 3E Manos the Mad and Janos Armistadt of Tim Huckleberry. MTG 40k deck got a named Magus recently, so here is my hope xD

[crisp heath]

Just a high enough number to run troops and HQ’s

[slender orchid]

Aberrants and Abominant can do WORK. Problem is getting them into melee alive. So slow and squishy.

[atomic pelican]

Some do, the regular truck doesnt but the rockgrinder has 6. Its rlly just GSC transports

Wave serpents and such have 12 for example

[crisp heath]

I hope they get buffed

[crisp heath]

The rockgrinder is a great example honestly

[broken echo]

Not only can I imagine Ghazkull charging at... armagedon? Saving it from chaos by demolishing angron but then deciding to charge into khornes realm to kill angron again and again

[crisp heath]

I wish the Goliath truck held 11 or 12 slots

Instead of 10

[broken zenith]

Twisted Helix works well with the Aberrants I'd say

[full bane]

Still mixed about that. On one hand it's fitting that a legend of a man goes down swinging against a primarch, but on the other I kind of had hoped he would have had a peaceful death, passing along his hope of reclaiming Armageddon to the next generation of Guardsmen, for even with Juvenats and the grudging respect and fear of a sectors worth of Orks, there is only so long one man can prolong his life.

[crisp heath]

Twisted Helix is a good go to for melee

Especially with big purestrain blobs

[atomic pelican]

Ive been running Princes lately just for the relic. A staple I usually have is 40 neophytes in groups of 20 surrounding it becomes shockingly hard to shift

Also its funny to see tau get outshot by 8 seismic cannons

[broken echo]

wait it's not confirmed how they died? How? I'd presume, if we know they're dead, we'd also have a novel worth of just their passing

[crisp heath]

I like the amount of GSC fans here though, fitting too for the game we like’s setting

[slender orchid]

The codex he is confirmed as dead in JUST came out. Probably a book down the road, but novels tend to lag 1-2 years or more

[crisp heath]

I’ve seen pauper princes, but haven’t seen their relic, what does it do again?

[atomic pelican]

Also hot take but Banners should be free

[atomic pelican]

5+ invuln in a 6" aura

I put it on my Iconward and have him just sit in center of a neophyte horde

The invuln is like mega durability buffing for them

[crisp heath]

Banners should be free, I wanna use them on my models but they just aren’t good at the points rn

[slender orchid]

In all love, no. Our banners are the best in the game. One on a blob of 20 Neos makes them absolutely obnoxious to get rid of. Someone has to dedicate serious firepower.

[atomic pelican]

I play crusade so banners basically are free. Its amazing

[broken zenith]

I always loved the mad science vibes of Twisted Helix apart from the rules

[broken echo]

ah okay... Well whatever killed the great hero of the imperium, I really hope Ghazkull will swear vengeance. Oddly wholesome for the 40k setting and I'd love it

[atomic pelican]

It really doesnt take that much still. Like one unit of any dedicated anti inf will kill them in a turn

[crisp heath]

Oh dang, that’s really good for a squishy army

[atomic pelican]

I have learned this when a crisis suit commander solod 40 neophytes

[crisp heath]

Why do rubrics get free icons and plague marines get free weapon options

And we can’t get free banners

[atomic pelican]

Or, I also play CWE, who would very easily kill that many neophytes. Free banner or not

Or.. CSM with chaincannons which are very common

[slender orchid]

Because GSC is a faction that is super finely balanced. A nudge in either direction and it could be absolutely busted or trash very easy

[atomic pelican]

Free banners rlly doesnt bust them

Ive played with free banners

Theyre still a weak army

[slender orchid]

Probably not. But GW would bump the price for the unit, bake it in.

[atomic pelican]

Comparatively

[crisp heath]

I am open to buffs for GSC

[broken zenith]

same

[atomic pelican]

They made equipment free for inf squads without increasing cost overall

It rlly isnt that unlikely

[crisp heath]

especially aberrants, aboms and alphus

[slender orchid]

I also play Guard, Orks, and Nurgle Daemons. Snotlings and Goblins in Blood bowl. Winning is something I claw away from other players while muttering about my precious.

[crisp heath]

lol

Also, our banners are 20 points

That’s insane

Especially when other banners are 10 points or even 5, and for daemons.. free

[atomic pelican]

20points to access critical army ability hmm yes

I think my crusade force has like 200pts of banners

[crisp heath]

Daemons had a really strong banner in 8th to recover models on rolls of 1 for morale, and they were only 10 points

[slender orchid]

Nurgle banners. They still do it

[atomic pelican]

If banners are going to remain 20pts, acolytes should regen d6 instead of d3

They barely survive that much anyway

[final spruce]

Lore-chat really changed while i was gone

[atomic pelican]

No one talks abt rules in minis so here we are

Also I feel bad flooding over minipics with rambling

[final spruce]

Don't, I had the oppossite experience, people don't care

[atomic pelican]

😂

[crisp heath]

lol

There just isn’t a dedicated Warhammer tabletop talk channel

Where we can talk about our hot takes and peeves about the model hobby

And GW’s weird balance decisions

This chat talks about GSC more though than any other server with dedicated GSC channels for

[broken zenith]

GSC cool ❤️

[crisp heath]

They are

I love them a lot

[short steeple]

The imperial guards also good

[full bane]

As an Ad Mech fan since I first read Titanicus I've got a soft spot for our Codices despite how wonky and arcane their rules are.

[crisp heath]

Hey @broken zenith would you wanna be friends on discord?

[broken zenith]

sure ❤️

[crisp heath]

You would have to send the friend request

[broken zenith]

sent a request

[crisp heath]

What’s the life expectancy for an average human lmao

Or does it drastically vary between planets?

[crisp heath]

Yes

Some planets are labeled as death worlds where it is a fight for life everyday for inhabitants and others are even paradise planets where life is in Ez mode for the most part

Isn’t most of humanity laborers? Lol

Would those paradise planets be good for the laborers?

Some paradise planets yes but others are used as shrine worlds and some become threatened/hold strategic importance and can very quickly lose the paradise label and swap over to a fortress world or any number of different types

That’s cool

Thank you :)

[crimson dragon]

You know terra would've been nice if it got its natural beauty back

Cause the emperor was trying to bring back the oceans

And whatnot

For a holy planet, the ecclesiarchy would've probably tried to restore terra but i guess not

[stark frigate]

Probably too far gone

[sweet saffron]

hey, did you know Cadia was very simular to old Terra, it even had a massive ocean that covered 70% of the planet

[crisp heath]

did you like that in titanicus it made titans use ceremite and the knights use adamantium as armor

[arctic talon]

The Emperor tried pre Horus heresy but all the terraforming got destroyed during the siege of terra

[winter vessel]

Even before the Unification Wars all of Terra’s oceans had dried up?

[uneven temple]

The ecclesiarchy wouldn't try to restore the planet they'd try to build one giant hive city that looks like a cathedral on it

And inside of said cathedral hive would be many more little cathedrals

Cathedrals all the way down

[sweet saffron]

Well there were multiple terriforming projects created by both Mal and Emps to terriform other planets to become exact replicas of old earth

[winter vessel]

At that point they’ll just turn you into a cathedral.

[uneven temple]

[stark frigate]

Russian dolls of cathedrals

[sweet saffron]

want to say Age of Apostasy?

[winter vessel]

Doge Vandire?

[sweet saffron]

and feet pic Dominica

[rose thorn]

ork lore question, is there any reason for beast snagga boys or similar models to be in any non snake bites army lore wise?

[crimson dragon]

Even if the pacific, atlantic, indian, arctic oceans dried up

They would probably be in the atmosphere

[rose thorn]

its hard to imagine a red suns beast snagga boy

[crimson dragon]

Or the emperor could get them from the asteroids

In the uhh

Asteroid belt between mars and jupiter

[sweet saffron]

Yes, Goffs and Defskulls make lots of use for them for anti monster/armor support

[rose thorn]

or a bad moon kill rig

[crimson dragon]

The ecclesiarchy would have atleast had continued the emperors terraforming since terra is a holy planet

[solemn trail]

Does anyone know what those iron collars the Psykers have are for? Their prison uniform is unique in as much as even it has one on, too.

[winter vessel]

Iirc Mars was terraformed to become almost a garden world during the DAOT. until of course, Eldar G bang, warp storms, etc. and then the planet pretty reverted to its original state of being Red and dry.

[sweet saffron]

Bloodaxes also makes use of them for jungle warfare and ambush tactics

[rose thorn]

goffs have everything i get that, but defskulls? arent htey the stealing big vechicle army

[rose thorn]

i get that, i was thinking that too

[crimson dragon]

How did the tech cult manage to survive if mars became shit again

[sweet saffron]

Yeah that would be them, this is cause Beastsnaggas think Big Vechicles and Mechs are "Beasts to be snagged"

[rose thorn]

ah i get it, so its more of a cowboy bandits stealing horses style of things

[sweet saffron]

yeah basically, but replace the six-shooters and lever actions with spears with bombs attatched to them and rocket launchers

[rustic spruce]

what causes flayed ones to be so obsessed with obtaining flesh

[crimson dragon]

Flayed ones are skinless

[sweet saffron]

Read the twice dead king. will give you audiobook via google drive if you want it

[crimson dragon]

They're hungry for meat

They got a disease

[rose thorn]

thats super sick lmao

[winter vessel]

Underground bunkers

[stark frigate]

They're home sick for their fleshbags

[stark frigate]

Underground bunkers, survivors developed a cult surrounding technology

Viola, cult mechanicus

iirc the cult didnt exist until after surviving in the bunkers

After/during hiding in the shelters anyway

[winter vessel]

It’s funny how they reverie the technicians as god-like since they kept everything running for the people on mars to survive for thousands of years.

[crimson dragon]

Telling legends and myths is a good way to keep history records

[sweet saffron]

Still find it funny how the "Machine God" is possibly a massive shard of the Void Dragon

[crimson dragon]

Mars used to be a habitable planet not talking about when it was terraformed

Probably a necron colony

Necrontyr

[sweet saffron]

possibly? tho it's been confirmed that it's the Emperors fault for having the Void Dragon on Mars, in short it was on earth, then big E kicked its ass and teleported it to Mars during the middle ages

[crimson dragon]

Oh

[sweet saffron]

is it stupid? yes. But is it cool? debatable

[crimson dragon]

Sounds arthurian

[stark frigate]

The guy who defeated the dragon in whales may have been Big Emps

[crimson dragon]

Wasnt the emperor a hitite?

[sweet saffron]

no, he was churchill

[stark frigate]

The emperor is a reincarnation of like 100 or 1000 shamans from hundreds of thousands of years ago

[crimson dragon]

Its not cannon

It got retconned no?

[stark frigate]

No lol

[winter vessel]

It’s a little fucky tbh

[stark frigate]

Its 1 of "many theories" but the only one which is actually dived into and has lore for it, so its the stand-out

[crimson dragon]

If it was 1000 shamans why didnt we get a new emperor like figure

[winter vessel]

What an empress

[crimson dragon]

Since millions of psykers

[crimson dragon]

Emperor should've just gotten an empress

[sweet saffron]

lol no, tho I subscribe to the Luetin theory. I.E: being empowered by the last old one during the shawmen mass suicide

[stark frigate]

They're batteries for big E

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-popcorn-nodding-eating-snacks-gif-16646651

[stark frigate]

God knows what happens to them, wouldn't be surprised if Big E can hear all their voices in anguish

Imagine hearing millions of dead people constantly

[winter vessel]

Portrayal of the God Emperor’s consumption of 1000 psykers

[barren tapir]

No, it is just me reading this chat... Sometime interesting stuff is being discussed, and it is intriguing to see the different takes that different people has

[winter vessel]

I just saw an opportunity and took it

[sweet saffron]

ah

[stark frigate]

I've been in warhammer 40k since 2010, personally

[sweet saffron]

Hey did you guys know Angron killed Yarrick

[barren tapir]

Not confirmed

[stark frigate]

Thats a meme theory

[stark frigate]

Skull he has is not yarricks

[sweet saffron]

it is

[barren tapir]

It isn't

[stark frigate]

That's a space marine head, the augment is not yarricks

[sweet saffron]

its been leaked in the new codex

[stark frigate]

And GW have made it VERY clear its a shrodingers cat situation

[stark frigate]

Thats a meme

[winter vessel]

I’ve only gotten into 40k like, 2 years ago. I only have read what’s on the website and listen to Lore videos. If I’m lucky, I can find pdf files of entire books on the internet.

Unsurprisingly, TTS introduced me to it

[stark frigate]

Its to encourage orks to fight Khorne daemons

[barren tapir]

No it hasn't, the gloria yarrick just mention he presumably is dead, but it could be like Calgar on vigilus

[sweet saffron]

wut

[stark frigate]

GW have made him a shroedingers cat situation, he's maybe dead, maybe not

[sweet saffron]

Huh, it aprears i've been bamboozled

[stark frigate]

Calgar was "confirmed" dead, when he wasnt, to boost morale and make ultramarines charge to avenge him

[sweet saffron]

damnit, was looking forward to having Ghazkull tearing Angron a new one

[stark frigate]

GW will bring back Yarrick in some capacity when its the right time, for now, he's "dead"

[barren tapir]

Since 2008/9 pretty much, first stated with WH40K, then expanded on fantasy too... Avid lore reader since then

I saw so many retcons and changes lol

[stark frigate]

The skull with the eye augment on Angrons belt is not yarrick, its a spacemarine skull

People made theories, but they're wrong

And there was a meme drawing where Ursula creed told the orks that Angron did it

So they fight angron

[sweet saffron]

Began dipping into it in 2019, got really into it during the lockdown in 2020 as my pandemic hobby

[barren tapir]

Lots of new blood arrived during last pandemic... And many more joined too since successful videogames were made, like total war and VT

[sweet saffron]

so far I've read about 29 BL books and only played 3 tabletop games, lost all three of them

[winter vessel]

It took me an hour to read the Black Templars website page

[stark frigate]

Seen so many going down the slippery slope of Starter boxes after playing Darktide

[crystal forum]

i am SO happy that 40k weapons get to be used in first person

[stark frigate]

What army do you play

[barren tapir]

Poor fellas, we will remember their names when they will get lost in the lore and rulesets

[stark frigate]

I play about 7 different armies

[stark frigate]

Their slow decline into plastic crack addiction

[sweet saffron]

Necrons, keep in mind this was during the start of 9e when Necrons were mid, and I didn't really understand the game all that well

[winter vessel]

I’d get myself some minis and would actually sit down to learn the TTRPG but I don’t have the money to afford it and my painting skills are absolute shit.

[stark frigate]

And resin, if they have the money

[sweet saffron]

going to try and get into the wargaming side once I'm done moving, mostly focused on the lore and painting at the moment, oh and darktide

[stark frigate]

Get a killteam or necromunda box, only need about 10 fellas

And theres a basic paint style just called "battle ready"

Basically just base coats

[sweet saffron]

lol I got a 3d printer last chrismas. army grew X3 and at only 1/5 of the price

[winter vessel]

Hmmm…

[stark frigate]

Necromunda and Killteam have some really nice models

I was thinking of getting Arbiters and Ash waste nomads for Necromunda

Arbiters

[sweet saffron]

have a friend trying to convert Necomunda models into IG/Chaos Cultist proxies

house Esher and Orelock to be exact

[stark frigate]

Ash waste nomads

[barren tapir]

Enforcers*

[crimson dragon]

I wonder what would happen to humanity if space marines didnt exist

[barren tapir]

They aren't arbites

[stark frigate]

They're called arbiters on the box

[winter vessel]

Thing is if I did get into it, I’d want to make primarily an Astra Militarum focused army because I like them.

[crimson dragon]

Astra Militarum > Space Marines

[rustic spruce]

what ever happened to necron pariahs

[barren tapir]

Lol, they are palanite enforcers though

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Palanite_Enforcers

[crimson dragon]

I wonder if the Imperial Navy have Marines meant for boarding enemy voidships

[barren tapir]

Yes, imperial navy breachers and boarders

[crimson dragon]

Ok

[barren tapir]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/9/95/Breachers1.jpg

These people

They have really nice helmets

[stark frigate]

Seems both names are used, in various places

[stark frigate]

Really nice models

[crimson dragon]

Wait was the imperial guard renamed to imperial army again when papa smurf came back?

[barren tapir]

They are wrongly used interchangeably yes, but the palanite enforcers are not arbites, and the difference is quite deep between enforcers (local police force) and arbites (imperial police force)

[celest dome]

No separate stuff

The Navy don't fight on the ground

All (With exeption) IG Aircraft is also part of the Navy

[crimson dragon]

Im talking about astra militarum

[barren tapir]

No, it is still called imperial guard, but in high gothic is called astra militarum... But this change was done by GW for copyright reasons, and it isn't linked to big G

[celest dome]

Separate stuff still

[crimson dragon]

Oh okay

[barren tapir]

It was during the dark days of GW trying to copyright everything they could and shut down everything they didn't control or couldn't control

[crimson dragon]

I wish emperor tts would come back

[celest dome]

The Hunger is fun

I just don't know enough of the lore

[stark frigate]

The hunger ?

[stark frigate]

Some of their jokes got a little grating ngl

[crimson dragon]

Wdym their humour are fun

[stark frigate]

Some of the jokes though...

[crimson dragon]

I like it

[stark frigate]

Like a handful

[crimson dragon]

Give me an example

[stark frigate]

I can't remember man i just remember a few making me roll my eyes

[arctic talon]

Emperor funny because he’s swearing

Got really old after a while

[crisp heath]

dorn did say he's cringe

so it makes sense

[stark frigate]

If he swore less, his straight-man dynamic would be funnier

And this is coming from someone who uses swear words as adjectives

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The emperor is meant to be the straight man but is just as unhinged, it gets better later

But it starts off absolutely terrible imo

[crisp heath]

I like the little side stories too

vulkan and corax

https://tenor.com/view/tts-boop-vulkan-snoot-boop-the-snoot-gif-19967530

the salamander ones are great

[arctic talon]

The side stuff is a lot better because it was written later

Early tts was pretty bad imo

[plush mason]

i noticed that

[crisp heath]

I love the side stuff

[stark frigate]

90% buzzwords and memes

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[stark frigate]

And "oh woah, isnt that wacky, the emperor would never say that!"

[rustic spruce]

early tts was a product of it's time

[stark frigate]

Definitely

Atleast it isnt russian badger

[crisp heath]

I'm so glad tts stopped

[stark frigate]

I wouldn't go that far

[hollow lantern]

I am sad for the people who enjoyed it, even if I didn't

[remote dagger]

early TTS was pure kino and sovl

r/grimdank snoobers ruined the humor of 40k har har

[winter vessel]

It didn’t deserve the fate most fan creators faced when GW decides to cross them.

It’s like the burning of Monarchia all over again.

[stark frigate]

Who's that happy looking gentleman in your pfp, if i may ask sir @remote dagger

[remote dagger]

the supremest of all gentlemen

[stark frigate]

Uhhuh

[stark frigate]

Still don't know why GW did all that

They handled it in the literal worst way possible

Every time they take down the 'last church' youtube video, the more canon it becomes

[winter vessel]

Their policy sucks. I remember when SODAZ was still around.

While I was happy for that fan creator who made the ASTARTES short, that his chapter was canonized, the sequel was something that will never be realized.

The ‘Helsreach’ series was another animation I watched, very nice.

And then I was lucky enough to watch Angels of Death on YouTube, a brave channel posted it outside of the Warhammer+ domain. Their sacrifice will be remembered.

[teal yew]

is there a good youtube channel just for 40k lore?

[hushed kayak]

he had two projects for it, we’ll never see them in light.

[hushed kayak]

Luetin09 for the serious in depth lore. His videos are around an hour,or more. MajorKill makes good lore videos, tho he cuss and jokes around the video which i enjoy. Lastly Baldermort guide to Warhammer channel

[shell palm]

@teal yew my go to one is Oculus Imperia, instead of just reading off the lexicanum he effectively RPs as a historian within the Imperium tasked with recounting and observing the history and knowledge of the setting such as the Horus Heresy, the legions and alien species like the T’au

[plush mason]

so are psykhaniums common in the imperium?

[teal yew]

ty for the suggestions, wanted to listen to lore while purging these heretics.

[winter vessel]

Adeptus Ridiculous is more of a general lore source and at the same time talk about the ttrpg. Some of their videos miss pieces of information but they make it sound entertaining.

[hushed kayak]

Adeptus Riduculous is a good one, but there are times they skim important characters, events, and places. Good example was the Alpha Legion video, and the Blood Angels.

[arctic talon]

Not really

[plush mason]

do they even exist in the wider setting?

[arctic talon]

Yea

But this is the first time we’ve seen one in depth

[plush mason]

ah

is the psyker's body even still alive?

well hell

i cant find any info on the damn things

[dusk patrol]

No

Oh wait

No yeah she is

She's like, in a tank similar to a princeps it looks like.

[plush mason]

ye

[dusk patrol]

Sorry I thought we were talking about the daemonhost

[plush mason]

no

those i know more about

also i just fought one in darktide, it literally just spawned in the middle of us, woke up, snapped my neck and the neck of the other vet, and then fucked off

[hollow lantern]

Realistic 40k experience tbh

[plush mason]

ye

[dusk patrol]

Lore accurate power swords and bolters come with lore accurate daemonhosts

[plush mason]

ye

[hollow lantern]

I'd honestly accept this as a Lore accurate representation of human bolters

Things cracked

Can't think of many things that don't die within a mag

How many more Lore weapons could Ogryn get?

[dusk patrol]

Uh, I think we have all of them mostly.

Outside of like heavy bolters

And other big guns

[hollow lantern]

I do too, I was looking at the DH rulebook

[dusk patrol]

They made some up too.

Although "making up" the concept of a club

Or a big knife

[hollow lantern]

Yeah like

It's a big club and a knife

[rustic spruce]

surely us rank and file fellas are capable of using a Shrike Pattern Bolt Sniper Rifle

[hollow lantern]

I'd accept a HB for em tho

Just let him go nuts

[arctic talon]

ngl

The daemon host fits so well

[hollow lantern]

There has to be one lethal boss

Beast of Nurgle and Plague Ogryn feel like amateur hour

[arctic talon]

Yeah beast of nurgle and plague ogryn are easy as hell

[rustic spruce]

throw some bloodletters in there

[hollow lantern]

Wouldn't make sense

A nurgling horde boss tho?

[arctic talon]

would be fun

[rustic spruce]

can we get some Sloppity Bilepipers out here

have em play some sick beats in the middle of the horde

[crimson dragon]

Ogryns are dum as fuck so ogryns are not allowed to use space marine heavy bolters

Which sucks

Ripperguns are made for ogryns so they can use it as a melee weapon

And also not be too automatic

Needs less maintenance as well

[rustic spruce]

don't space marine chapters build all of their weapons themselves

[crisp heath]

No their made by tech priest who then gush and consecrate the gun for obscene amounts of time to be given to the chapters

[quasi wagon]

Space Marine bolters are genetically imprinted on the user.

So normally nobody else can use them

Untill a tech priest is doing a new imprint.

[crimson dragon]

Techmarines then maintain them right?

[quasi wagon]

But of course i really would like to have a Primaris variant bolter for my ogryn 😄

[crisp heath]

[crimson dragon]

Ogryn too dumb as fuck, the worry was that ogryns would use them as clubs

[quasi wagon]

Hahah true. To great of a weapon

[crimson dragon]

Thus pissing off the machine spirit

So thats why the ripper gun was made

A simple gun that an ogryn can use, and wont easily break if used as a club.

[crisp heath]

Is it just me or is the ||traitor storyline|| kinda weird?

[crimson dragon]

In what way

[crisp heath]

It’s just put on us

And then oh wow

It’s not us

It’s some rando lol

[crimson dragon]

The moebian 6th?

[crisp heath]

It didn’t require our involvement

[crimson dragon]

Well its because no one is the good guy in the 40th millennium

I wonder where the other moebian regiments are. I really like their guardsmen uniform.

[atomic parcel]

So, Maybe this isn't a lore question, but idk, What psionic level do we think the Darktide psyker is?

[crimson dragon]

Why are their uniforms and armor different from the pdf in tertium

[quasi wagon]

Relatively high level. Otherwise the inquisition would not allow the psyker to be at the frontline at all.

[crimson dragon]

That psyker was probably sanctioned

Or that psyker sure as hell had good control for an unsanctioned psyker. Since he would be corrupted by chaos by now

Or possessed by a daemon

[plush mason]

lower than alpha + is clear at least

[arctic talon]

nowhere near alpha level but higher then Gamma prolly

[crisp heath]

A sanctioned Psyker that talks shit about Imperium authority on a daily basis in earshot of Morrow/Zola/Hadron 💀

They must really be desperate to allow that

I’m not really miffed about it, it’s just funny

[plush mason]

they clearly are

[crimson dragon]

Bruh why do daemonhosts look like slaaneshi daemons

[crisp heath]

[crimson dragon]

They're not fat and slow

[plush mason]

they dont. at all

[arctic talon]

daemonhosts are just psykers with daemons shoved in them

doesn't even need to be a nurgle daemon

[plush mason]

does the host have to be a psyker?

[crimson dragon]

Oh possessed psykers

I see i see

[crimson dragon]

How else could you lure a daemon

Psykers have tasty souls

[arctic talon]

9 times out of 10

its a psyker

[plush mason]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Daemonhost

[crimson dragon]

Psykers have a strong presence in the warp which makes them look like a light house in the warp or maybe a campfire

[plush mason]

The host must first be inscribed with certain marks, runes and wardings to prepare it for the entrapment of a daemon. The sigils involved are largely unknown, but an essential rune called the "Rune of Voiding" must be inscribed on the chest of the host in order to empty it of any previous souls so that the daemon can be effectively contained. Apparently, this rune is sometimes ignored, as in certain occasions, the original host's mind endured. Radical Inquisitors with the resources would also string the host with chains, padlocks, amulets, and other bindings as to ensure the daemon's obedience.[Needs Citation]

Once all the preparations are made, the Incantations of Binding, the Litany of Servitus, and the Wards of Entrapment must be spoken, along with the final sealing words: "In servitutem abduco, I bind thee fast forever into this host." Note that only these were mentioned by Inquisitor Eisenhorn in his logs, and that other rites might have been involved.[Needs Citation]

If not all of the special preparations have been made, i.e. a hasty on-the-spot binding, the severe trauma of the process might be inflicted on the daemonhost, ensuring that it remains docile and unresponsive for several days.[1]

[crimson dragon]

Humans are just small torches in the warp

Psykers are bonfires

Which would attract a daemon

Astronomicon is a light house

[plush mason]

so yeah a non psyker can be used to make a daemonhost but it is more complex

[crimson dragon]

But its easier with a psyker

[plush mason]

ye

[crimson dragon]

Its impossible for a tau

Since their presence in the warp is much smaller than a human

[plush mason]

but as the cult we are fighting doesnt have any psykers it seems they likely just used one of their own to house the daemon

[crimson dragon]

Similar to when humans before DAoT

[crimson dragon]

The underhive

Has tons of hidden psykers

[plush mason]

we are in the underhive in most of the missions

[crimson dragon]

Yeah so its probably a psyker that wasnt discovered by the sisters of silence

[plush mason]

so yeah they could have taken the psykers captive

nah the cult is making them. it would be stupid for them not to

which means they have at least one sorcerer in their ranks

[misty dove]

The demonhost in game doesn't look very nurgle-y

[quasi wagon]

Well in this regard, he is looking more like the deamon host from "Eisenhorn" But more green.

[plush mason]

i mean. its still got a human body so its not gona look like a great unclean one or something

[quasi wagon]

This guy

Cherubael

[hollow lantern]

The body is a host for the daemons of nurgle

Imo it having the horns it does makes it nurgly

[arctic talon]

yeah

the horns are a pretty nurgly thing

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

since they aren't long and black like khornate ones

[hollow lantern]

They're that antler-y style

[plush mason]

ye

ye

[rustic spruce]

great unclean one boss when

[quasi wagon]

Since Dan Abnett was writing the Eisenhorn series and he is the lead writer for the story of Darktide, it is no wonder how the Deamon host looks like the deamon host from his books

[arctic talon]

never bcs its way out of scope imo

[rustic spruce]

just light my shit up

[arctic talon]

tbf cherubal is based on the daemon host mini

[quasi wagon]

Yeah true that, have forgotten that allready

[plush mason]

ngl the cult's power is growing at an alarming rate

[quasi wagon]

Looks close

Even with a horn

[quasi wagon]

Yeah when they can call for Deamon hosts, they are very powerfull

[plush mason]

ye

imagine being Gryndal rn and getting these reports of a daemonhost from Rannick

[quasi condor]

Hi there! Sorry if this was asked before, i had a question about the Preacher. They dont have any ties with the Ecclesiarchy, because of the law that they cant bear arms?