40k-lore-chat

[stark frigate]

Die

[crisp heath]

Tycho is a cool character, I like him a lot

[crisp heath]

no

[atomic pelican]

Purestrains: Dropping GSC's avg model age by 10 years

[crisp heath]

too bad

[stark frigate]

He's been dead for years in lore

he has a statue on Baal

[crisp heath]

well bring him back

[stark frigate]

no

[arctic talon]

The nid model range is so old it’s hilarious

[atomic pelican]

Yep

[crisp heath]

the only blood angel I like is dead

cool

[atomic pelican]

Supposedly getting a 10e release

Ala necron tier

[stark frigate]

You didnt know?

[crisp heath]

I didnt

[stark frigate]

Did his Death company version not tip you off

[crisp heath]

no it did not

[stark frigate]

Death company usually die in their first battle after becoming a death company marine

or beheaded by Astorath

[crisp heath]

I hope it's true

I heard those rumors

[stark frigate]

Massive Cope rumor

by BA players, primaris terminator lovers (for some reason, you already have them, shut up) and Tyranid people who want updated models

[crisp heath]

yeah, I think I'm gonna sell my Tsons and Daemons of Tzeentch

[arctic talon]

At the very least I hope GW updates Gaunts because holy fuck they’re so bad rn

[stark frigate]

I hope the Nid players get updated models though

[crisp heath]

to fuel my GSC army

[arctic talon]

Like holy shit

[crisp heath]

and Tyranids

[arctic talon]

It’s insane how bad those minis are

[crisp heath]

we need it

[stark frigate]

Nid players are playing the literal most boring faction ever, they deserve something nice after all these years

[crisp heath]

our newest model is at least cool

and useful

eh, not boring, but it's cool

[stark frigate]

Did genestealers not get an upgrade sprue in that Killteam box

[crisp heath]

just not updated

[stark frigate]

nids are boring

its just fact

[crisp heath]

nids arent broing to me

[atomic pelican]

Blessed be GSC, for having all models be from 2017+

[crisp heath]

boring*

[atomic pelican]

And having the best hero release of the ed(Saboteur)

[stark frigate]

People can think they look cool, but you can sum up their lore on 1 hand, written on your palm

[crisp heath]

oh, I dont care about nid lore

[atomic pelican]

Thats the best kind of lore

[stark frigate]

"they eat shit, oh and one strain eats others"

done

[atomic pelican]

Because anything BL writes will inevitably suck

[stark frigate]

unless its a book about a guardsman

[crisp heath]

nids have been my army since the start of my warhammer hobby

[stark frigate]

then its incredibly based

[atomic pelican]

Then it really sucks

[stark frigate]

Cain my man

[crisp heath]

so I really like nids

[stark frigate]

My first army in 2010 was blood angels

[crisp heath]

I'm still very angry GW decided to make the adaptations not be changed before battle in 9th though

[stark frigate]

I may eventually make a small Dark angels army because i love the knight aesthetic

[crisp heath]

that's the last thing they needed to change

[stark frigate]

but i refuse to buy primaris

[atomic pelican]

Its because tyranids were mega oppressive

And still are very good

[crisp heath]

their models and weapons and overpowered stats

[atomic pelican]

Tho yeah the adaptive phys was weird

[crisp heath]

not the adaptation

[rustic spruce]

go back to the rules where guard conscripts could take down a titan

[crisp heath]

the adaptation was just fluffy

but removing it was hella cringe

I only love imperial guard stuff because I play GSC though

and GSC lore is really cool

yeah not a lot because it was a recent faction

but their lore is good

I wanna trade my Tsons and Daemons for GSC stuff...

I need to start searching online

[stark frigate]

I keep thinking about getting some Necromunda models too

The Arbiters and those ash waste guys

They look neat

[crisp heath]

(GSC can be used in Necromunda)

and yes I'm trying to convert you to the hivemind lol

[stark frigate]

Nah, never going to work

I have 0 interest in nids and GSC

sorry

[crisp heath]

darn..

understandable

praise the 4-armed god emperor though

[stark frigate]

Loyalist through and through

[atomic pelican]

It's only meant for a few

[stark frigate]

Khornes alright though

[atomic pelican]

Not everyone can understand playing GSC

[crisp heath]

it's very complicated

glass cannony too

[stark frigate]

Im just excited to eventually charge my opponenent with 20 deathriders/roughriders

[rich vale]

I miss Malal/Malice

[hushed kayak]

One of the most interesting one out there, he hated Chaos entirely which is interesting aspect. He always hated “the game” overall.

[rich vale]

I love him because he has no interest in consuming souls or taking over the world, he simply wishes to kill Chaos

[rustic spruce]

i'm always in awe of those huge ass apocalypse games people hold for tabletop

[lament sluice]

Why doesnt the Imperium have a standard training for guardsman instead of relying on their planetary defense training?

[languid vapor]

Because they’re not worth transporting across the galaxy unless it’s to kill stuff

[lament sluice]

Tbf since they pool from every planet, they could just Build small Garrison Training stations in system capitals.

which i also dont understand why they dont standarize the cadian style of guardsman armor, across the guard

except for special units of course

[ripe ravine]

the answer which is a common one for the imperium is its a problem of logistics

the imperium is a supermassive feudal state with hundreds of thousands of worlds and trillions of guardsmen

it lacks the kind of centralized military structure you'd expect, this is by design to limit any one person or group's ability to gather combined forces and launch another civil war which could threaten Terra

the munitorum is a super bloated and corrupt bureaucratic system that can barely keep up with collecting the imperial tithe, both material and manpower

as far as armor, there are some lore references to the cadian shock kit being somewhat standard for many worlds. this is in part an out of universe explanation for the lack of recent competing tabletop models

[full bane]

Another thing is that training takes time. You want the best for your armed forces tithes and it's much easier to siphon off the top of already trained planetary forces than to start from scratch with recruitment centres on the world itself.

And the Imperium isn't in the habit of throwing investments into worlds. They're already bleeding out of a billion tiny wounds. Most efforts to raise Imperial Guard forces, colonise new worlds, and the like are all done by Sub-Sector governors, Independent Nobility looking to buy favours, and enterprising Chartist Captains or Rogue Traders trying to turn a profit.

[ripe ravine]

training quality also varies from world to world, with more industrial systems and military fortresses having strong guard traditions superior to their common planetary defense, while frontier planets might have minimal contact with any imperial representatives for centuries. sometimes they use world war 1 tactics because nobody taught them good

and ye olde laslocks

[full bane]

There's no one mega munistorum building where every regiment is known and they determine what training and equipment are to be used. They set up the tithe on worlds and it's up to the planets paying their taxes to output soldiers, petition local Munistorum branches or Forge Worlds for gear, and train up their regiments.

It's a lot of local subsector jockeying for power and gear than some well oiled beuracratic machine that trains and equips soldiers.

[normal stream]

Different planets also have different standards of training and tithing, based on how much it's needed/demanded.

A world close to, say, the Halo Stars, or a Fortress World, can expect to have standing PDF equivalent to some backwater world's tithed Guard regiments

Besides, standardization would fly in the face of the bureaucracy that the imperium so craves 😉

[ripe ravine]

there is a regiment from a substandard world in Catachan Devil that conscripts its troopers in the mail, gives them a few months of basic training and ships them off to the frontlines

[normal stream]

Also different worlds have different climates and conditions, so the nature of their training differs

[hearty bluff]

You Wouldn't put a Valhallan on a planet that's hot and dusty.

[normal stream]

Elysia trains pretty much spaceborne droptroopers with integrated aerospace assets. Phantine Guard are all flyers since their world is largely gas. Catachans train in the harshest death world conditions because.. well.. catachan.

[ripe ravine]

ideally not although the munitorum is known for screwing up like a lot

[normal stream]

hahahaha literally the plotline of 15 hours

"Whoops, sent the wrong guard regiment there. Sorry, guess you got 15 hours to live"

[ripe ravine]

so valhallans being deployed to a desert world would be typically 40k

[hearty bluff]

Oops, just deployed the catachans to an ice world. Oh, you've got minimum clothing and are freezing to death?, Just hold on for... A few months we'll have another unit ready to rotate you guys out.

Keep fighting to keep warm

[ripe ravine]

lol, knowing catachans they could take it

[normal stream]

I bet the inside of a carnifex's tummy is pretty warm, what with the bioplasma and all

[fair raft]

The Imperial Guard are pretty good with troop deployments, you can see it in the guard books

[hearty bluff]

Your blood can't freeze if you haven't got any inside of you

[fair raft]

On a tidal locked world they brought Valhallans, some random regi and tallarn

[normal stream]

sounds about right

[fair raft]

The Tallarn were fighting on the hot side, valhallans on the cold and the randos in the centre

[normal stream]

That assumes that no one screws up along the way though

It's the munitorium 😉

[ripe ravine]

that's fair, for as many examples you can find of grimderp spilled coffee on orders there are plenty of the guard deploying quite effectively

[fair raft]

May I remind you any insult towards the Munitorum is punishable by flogging and no less than 3 days incarceration

[hearty bluff]

Imagine someone frigging the paperwork/data slate and deploying a few thousand troops but they just forgot to add a few more 0s

[normal stream]

flog me baby -slaaneshi cultist

[lament sluice]

it just seems like the least the imperium could do is give units standarized cadian based gear

[normal stream]

Why? Gear isn't manufactured from one place

[lament sluice]

but yeah seeing there are different planets and climates, i suppose it is better to get gear based on where you from

so valhallans dont freeze to death if their given catachan gear

etc etc

[normal stream]

Imagine trying to get a catachan to fit into Cadian gear

or a rough rider trying to ride a horse in that

[ripe ravine]

also worth mentioning that a lot of the cadian equipment was manufactured on worlds in and around the Cadian Gate which is...not doing so well these days

[normal stream]

Or a Phantine flying a plane in full flak

[lament sluice]

well i mean of course it could be made in different sizes but specifically just a standarized variant like cadian gear

[normal stream]

There isn't a "standardized variant" though..

[hearty bluff]

It all depends on the regiment, the culture, training and stuff. If you're say tunnel clearing, you wouldn't want big bulky armour as it'll get in the way, but what you will want are flamers and flashlights. Instead of rocket launchers and ogryns

[lament sluice]

tbf cadian flak armor is pretty flexible

according to lore anyway

[normal stream]

I can't see a Phantine using Cadian flak armor instead of a flight suit or an Elysian doing a 30,000ft combat drop wearing Cadian flak...

[lament sluice]

it says flak armor is lightweight, so i'd assume it wouldnt be that bad, seeing irl the us army does combat drops in full gear, aka body armor

forgot what its called to be specific (us army body armor)

but its pretty heavy

[normal stream]

Yeah, but where do they attach their grav chutes? 😉

[waxen condor]

do techpriests reproduce? im talkin straight up input --> output brothers.

[lament sluice]

fair point

[hearty bluff]

Techpriests probably get aroused when plugging a usb stick in a pc

[dusk patrol]

Generally by artificial methods

[waxen condor]

u tellin me there's no dude rotating himself 360 degrees to make it fit

the fuck

[dusk patrol]

Although they'll make like "clone" children of themselves

[lament sluice]

the eleysian drop trooper armor looks almost as thick as cadian flak

except a lil thinner

so i assume since theirs is actually attatched to their armor it oculd be done with cadian type armor

but who knows

[normal stream]

It's built light-weight and specifically designed for drop-troop conditions.

[noble hinge]

i am at my character screen, what type of planet and why does it metter? What is the role of the planet i choose ingame?

[ripe ravine]

if it helps a lot of this stuff is the way it is because the guard is very inspired by napoleonic campaigns. a coalition of worlds/nations with regiments led by aristocracy and mustered with varying levels of training

[normal stream]

i.e. has a lot of integrated equipment they use

[lament sluice]

aye i wonder if they somehow take it off once their down though

seeing its attatched to their armor

[normal stream]

Grav chutes get ditched the moment they land, yeah

But their full suit is more than just armor - it's also thermal insulation and shock padding

[hearty bluff]

It doesn't matter hugely, it's just fluff. The only thing is that Cadians get Purple eye choices and the veteran gets a cadian voice. But other than that, see what you like most 🙂

[normal stream]

Their helmet is chock full of comms and other electronics too, which is integrated with their grav chute, compared to the standard flak helmet.

[ripe ravine]

there is no in game function, it's all rpg background for you. different worlds have different origins

but the origins are also just for you

[lament sluice]

i wonder if theyll add guardsman armor in-game it'd be cool cosmetic wise

[ripe ravine]

except the cadian stuff

[lament sluice]

I wish they would bring back eternal crusade actually

[noble hinge]

@ripe ravine@hearty bluff thank you, since ill start as Zealot ill chose either Crucis or Masselina Gloriana since those are shrine word fits the zealot better

[hearty bluff]

Have fun pal!

[ripe ravine]

just remember your dialogue is determined by what personality you pick. that's all that effects gameplay

[noble hinge]

i dunno the difference between those 2 planets but Crucis sounds better

one is low pop one is high pop

the min maxer in me is getting triggered 😄

[lament sluice]

I picked Rocyria

[ripe ravine]

I also went with a shrine world preacher, that seemed fitting. before you finalize character creation it will create a small bio based on your choices

[lament sluice]

Rocyra - Zealot

heh

[noble hinge]

childhood?

nvm ill just make it

[lament sluice]

i love how agri-worlds look almost as bad as industrial worlds

im looking at pictures online and it looks horrible

[ripe ravine]

yeah it's all personal preference so whatever sounds coolest to you

if you don't like the bio you can go back and play with different options

[normal stream]

The EC guys bit off waaay more than they could chew

[ripe ravine]

it keeps your appearance saved

[lament sluice]

true but i loved the game for the most part

jsut wish they wouldve fixed it instead of doing nothing

anyways

are there actual business's in hive citys aside from factories and stuff?

[normal stream]

Game didn't have enough population to do what they were trying to do, which was 40k version of Planetside

[ripe ravine]

yes, all kinds. however most of the infrastructure and commerce is controlled by powerful merchant guilds or ancient family dynasties

but there's places you can buy a grox burger or a ground car

entertainment/leisure varies from world to world so that's trickier to give a simple answer

[lament sluice]

ah alright, so non-nobles and non-guild members or lower hive members so to say can own a business?

[ripe ravine]

depends on the business. anything super profitable is probably off limits to low hive entrepreneurs

but anything considered too menial or that caters to the low hive specifically

[normal stream]

I imagine it kinda also depends on the hive

the 40k universe is famously one that never deals in absolutes

[ripe ravine]

there isn't a lot of start up businesses in a hive either. if you're a merchant it's probably because your dad was a merchant and his dad was a merchant

[normal stream]

or you killed the guy who ran a business and now you're the merchant 😄

see, that's entrepreneurship too!

[ripe ravine]

but also yes it varies wildly

[lament sluice]

ah alright

like would antique shops exist perhaps?

even if it is only available to the nobles

[ripe ravine]

if you're interested in reading any 40k books there is a series called warhammer crime entirely set in one

antique shops for nobles absolutely

[normal stream]

Yes

There's a couple of Eisenhorn shorts that dealt with antique shop proprietors

[ripe ravine]

nobles in 40k are almost always obsessed with heritage, especially any artifacts connected to their planets earliest history

often times the noble families are descended from the original colonists

[lament sluice]

Ah alright, it also just seems weird that everything is built in GOTHIC

i mean yes its trademark imperium

but eh

feel like theyd compromise for slums that dont get much attention

[normal stream]

like, gothic architecture?

[ripe ravine]

the emperor loved arches

[lament sluice]

well yeah thats imperium architecture

[ripe ravine]

that's the intro for the warhammer crime books

[lament sluice]

is that from a book

ah

i might look into them

i have a few regular 40k books

i want to get into the modeling portion however im horrible at painting

[ripe ravine]

they each have different characters but they are all set in Varangantua

which is a hive city far from any frontlines

[lament sluice]

are there any hive worlds, or imperium worlds that havent been raided by any xenos or enemy force?

[ripe ravine]

Bloodline by Chris Wraight was excellent, if you only want to try one

[wind canyon]

I knocked over Flesh and Steel in a day. My favorite book from Guy Haley

[ripe ravine]

actually a lot of them. many worlds in the imperium never know war, we just have a very skewed perspective because the battlefields are where the cool things happen

which isn't to say war and invasion isn't supper common because it is, but the imperium is just so massively big

Flesh and Steel was also great. there hasn't really been a bad warhammer crime novel yet imo but Bloodline was my favorite

Varangantua has never known conflict, and before the events of Darktide the war with Chaos was confined to the outer edges of the system and the citizens of Tertium knew very little about it

[hearty bluff]

Imagine just being an average PDF guy, hearing rumours that a neighboring planet just got invaded by Orks, and living out the rest of your life in safety but fearing a greentide invasion

[ripe ravine]

that's what the "darktide" is, this vague threat tertium knows nothing about except they are the Bad Guys

[lament sluice]

Ah, are there guardsman garrisons on worlds that havent known war yet?

[ripe ravine]

guardsmen usually go straight to the nearest meat grinder but there are plenty of worlds who send guardsmen off with no prior knowledge

[chilly creek]

Odds are if there are Guard regiments stationed on planet permanently a war is coming

[ripe ravine]

the imperial infantryman's uplifting primer describes orks for example as "imposing at first glance but weaker than a human soldier in hand to hand combat" which is of course complete bullshit

imperial propaganda woefully under prepares the average guardsmen for reality

[chilly creek]

It's true. Have you ever met a Guardsman who can say otherwise?

[ripe ravine]

touche

[wind canyon]

I remember that from Catachan Devil. Another great book that I read pretty quick

[ripe ravine]

yep!

[wind canyon]

Obviously that piece of information helped everybody involved

No problems at all

[ripe ravine]

totally everything is fine outpost secure

[normal stream]

Most worlds will have a PDF contingent, permanent guardsmen garrison is rare except for Planets That Are Important

In a lot of cases Guard regiments are tithed from PDF, and on tabletop PDF play as Guard, so technically yes and no to your question at the same time

[keen stag]

some regiments are prepared for everything like krieg catachan and cadian

[normal stream]

Bet you the cadians weren't prepared for cadia to go boom

and bet you catachans aren't prepared for fighting in ice 😉

[keen stag]

they wont be sent there

[crisp heath]

Are all hive cities have they’re own heraldic similiar to mecromunda and atoma? Like changed scull image

[hearty bluff]

To be fair though they're kinda right on kriegs. Any ground can be entrenched and have artillery launched at it.

[crisp heath]

That’s why they specialize on siedges

Also

[hearty bluff]

Not sure on this one. I'd be surprised if they didn't, it'll help identity which hive city individuals come from.

[normal stream]

Tell that to the Departmento Munitorium and the Jumael 14th Volunteers... (https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fifteen_Hours_(Novel))

[crisp heath]

Savlar chem dogs is specialized in fighting in underhives , hives and shity areas … because, nothing and I mean , nothing , is worse then Savlar

[normal stream]

Except when there's no ground.. (https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Phantine_(Planet))

[crisp heath]

Fair

[hearty bluff]

You're telling me you can't entrench your position in the sky?. That's a skill issue

[normal stream]

thanks bot, good bot. I will tell kriegers to gently dig the sky.

[crisp heath]

That requires an imperial fists

[keen stag]

they where not catachan's they where a random regiment from a random world catachan krieg an other like that are specialised regiment so they are more precious

[hearty bluff]

I can imagine some Krieger's being thrown out of a Valkyrie to fortify the sky and be like "huh, we haven't got any grav chutes"

[crisp heath]

You know emperor sayid to rogal Dorn :

“Smart boys do stuff , and you, in any situation where you don’t know what to do , build an fortress”

[normal stream]

Nope, those regiments aren't specialized or considered any more precious, sorry.

Departmento Munitorium doesn't play favorites 😉

[keen stag]

use the body of your comrad that already landed to survive the fall

[crisp heath]

Noble regiment

[normal stream]

"Build a fortress in space? OK" builds the phalanx

[crisp heath]

War barges on terra

[normal stream]

what is a war barge

[crisp heath]

One made for an siege of it

[normal stream]

You mean a battle barge?

[crisp heath]

Like giant platforms with shit tone of guns

[normal stream]

Oh, those are either called orbital defense platforms or starforts

[hearty bluff]

There's probably some krieg mad man who saw the Blackstone fortress being lobbed at cadia going "we need some of that"

[normal stream]

hahahahahahahah

[crisp heath]

Lol

[normal stream]

"Shit, that's BIG artillery"

[hearty bluff]

heavy breathing

Its just. A big ass trench that somehow moves. So we can keep ourselves dug in and still move, so we can commit to an assault while also staying entrenched 😄

[full bane]

That would require a huge network of supply trains from Kantreal to supply them and for many forge worlds (who are proud, independent polities) to adopt a new standard over the designs they've tinkered on for millenia.

Getting a standardisation of lasguns and flak as base equipment is probably hard enough.

[normal stream]

Don't laugh, that's literally what the Stormlord is.

[hoary oriole]

Does anyone know what the different types of psykers represent? in the outfits i see time variants, mindwitch, scrier, etc

are they different factions within Scholastica Psykana?

[normal stream]

They're just names (the outfits, that is). There are psychic disciplines but they're largely just categorizations more than anything.

I think they still correspond to the tabletop disciplines too, although last I checked basically every faction was adding their own psychic discipline in their dex

[celest dome]

They are closer to the Rpg discipline

Like Psykonetist is Telekinesis

For the outfit it's mostly name that have no real link atm

But the different name could be linked to the discipline

Like:
Mind witch: Telepathy
Pain witch: Biomancy
Time witch: Biomancy or Divination

[hoary oriole]

i see

i googled some of the names and saw Scryers were part of the Caligari Conclave so didnt know if the others had similar affliations

[noble hinge]

Lets Fraking GOOO!!!

[normal stream]

Yeah I imagine each conclave has their own name for stuff like this

I don't think we've really been given much about the Scholastica Psykana as an organization/school

We know what goes in and what comes out lol

[uncut plover]

I like to think the Scholastica Psykana is a very strict kind of school

Where instead of a beating stick to spank your ass with for making an infraction or a mistake is a lesson, it's an electric chair.

[dusk patrol]

Well considering the Schola Progenium has these dudes as the teachers:

And those hammers aren't ceremonial.

[storm jungle]

thats just your average turkish tutor wdym

https://tenor.com/view/student-vs-teacher-gif-25425874

[shadow plover]

that man in a suit is the puny version of my Ogryn

[storm jungle]

oh my god it literally is

[shadow plover]

I should've posted it with the fisticuffs stance to make it even more obvious

there

[storm jungle]

[noble hinge]

What exactly does the emperor protects from?

[placid flax]

everything

[celest dome]

Depend on how your faith is

[noble hinge]

So does he actually has some kind of telepathic powers like charls xavier or?

[celest dome]

Some of the SoB managed to survive bolter shot while unarmoured via their faith

[dusk patrol]

Its inconsistent

[celest dome]

He does, he is a Psyker

[dusk patrol]

But yes he does have power

He's a warp god now basically

[noble hinge]

how does he extend the power?

[celest dome]

But its unclear on wether the Act/Shield of faith is powered by him or just by belief

[noble hinge]

i know in some cgi movies i seen he can buff the beliver

but i think that was different warhammer

end times or whatever

not the same guy i guess

[dusk patrol]

That's sigmar

[noble hinge]

was sigmar probably

[celest dome]

Well it work the same ish way

[dusk patrol]

And yeah not the same

[noble hinge]

since the guy shouts " to meeeeee sons of SIgmar for the emperor!"

[dusk patrol]

Sigmar faith stuff is like, people using Sigmar for magic

Faith power in 40k is weird

Inconsistent

Sometimes ignore stuff like pariahs and shit

[celest dome]

They still look to be Warp powered

[noble hinge]

this is the one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFGJQIW5ZM

[celest dome]

yes that's fantasy

[noble hinge]

sigmar buffs him i think?

not our emperor?

[celest dome]

Yes but not

And not the Emperor

Different Ip

[noble hinge]

i think of that warhammer as before this time

like that was medieval times and now we advanced

[celest dome]

The Warrior Priest is using his divinity (Or another benevolent entity) to channel the wind of magic to do stuff

[noble hinge]

why is he so big tho?

looks like a space marine compared to the grunts he has

[celest dome]

SoB who have act of faith haven't gotten any real explaination on how it work

Normal human

Just part of the Church of the Swole

That's Sigmar

Big burly men please him

[noble hinge]

oh he looks niceee

[celest dome]

The hammer in his hand is Ghal Maraz, which is used during the ET by Karl Franz, the current emperor

[noble hinge]

who is the emperor of warhammer 40k?

[silver bramble]

The Emperor

[noble hinge]

no name?

[celest dome]

Unclear

[noble hinge]

like jesus or alah or sigmar or karl

[celest dome]

Oldest name we've got is Neoth

But we know/suppose that he was various historical people

[silver bramble]

Some call him… Tim.

[celest dome]

Usually not good people

[noble hinge]

Brian

[noble hinge]

why not good people

[celest dome]

Because he isn't a good person, never was

[crisp heath]

The fact the emperor has daemon princes says a lot

[storm jungle]

Not every emperor is the same person

[storm jungle]

Hes a fascist tyrant and dictator that launched a galactic jihad across the galaxy killing thousands of human empires and aliens so yeah

just because he said "I know I'm right."

[crisp heath]

His name was Paul then?

[storm jungle]

no no thats another person

https://tenor.com/view/lets-see-paul-allens-meme-gif-25735286

[plush mason]

the emperor literally made a whole legion of super humans just to genocide all the religious figures on any planets he took during the crusade

[vocal drum]

how do Tyranids destroy a planet do they just like destroy all the wild life and stuff?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aHsekhCfLM

seems like they are like a locust

[plush mason]

they turn everything on the planet even the oceans into sludge called biomass and then the main ships of the fleet suck it all up thru what are basically giant straws they send down to the planet

[vocal drum]

[short steeple]

Hello I'm a tyranid player let me explain

[vocal drum]

so how do you get rid of them

[short steeple]

Destroy the planet

Or destroy every single one of the hive ships in orbit

[plush mason]

ye

[short steeple]

Btw you can't call for reinforcements

[vocal drum]

why

[short steeple]

Shadow in the warp

Psykers go insane when Tyranids approach

It's like turning on the TV and it's covered in bugs

[vocal drum]

can we not kil kill them and wage war on them?

[short steeple]

You aren't gonna be able to see anything

They don't have planets

They are extra galactical

They are a purely aggressive invasion force

You defend

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40000space-marine2-warhammer40000-space-marine-tyranids-gif-24403614

It's why I collect them, love me bugs

[vocal drum]

tbh they dont look very strong

idk how they are a problem

[short steeple]

They consume atmospheres and minerals.

They turn lush garden worlds into oversized rocks

And you can't stop them

You can't communicate with anyone during an invasion

[ebon zinc]

Until you realize they have consumed whole galaxies filled with life at this point

[plush mason]

you can stop them, but always at insane cost

[short steeple]

Your best hope is being found by chance

[short steeple]

Also, your surrounded.

[ebon zinc]

Evolution perfected

[short steeple]

Every single hive fleet has entered the galaxy from a different location

Eastern, northern, even from the bottom of the galaxy

[vocal drum]

but in that trailer that space marin kicked their asses why cant u get a bunch of space marines and wage war

[short steeple]

Those were weak organisms

A warrior and like 3 hormagaunts

[plush mason]

there is only like 1 million space marines in the whole galaxy

[short steeple]

They are usually trillions in number

[ebon zinc]

And the tyranids are far more

[short steeple]

And they birth more and adapt

[vocal drum]

oh i thought there was a like a few million

[short steeple]

An inquisitor once fired a virus bomb at a hive fleet ship

The hive ship absorbed it and made one itself

And fired it back

You do not fuck with tyranids

[vocal drum]

wow they have good technology too i thought they were just like bugs that take over worlds

[ebon zinc]

That’s the thing, it’s not technology

[plush mason]

also the space marine games are notorious space marine wank so Titus the main character you play as and most of the other space marines in it are way way stronger than the space marines actually are

[ebon zinc]

It’s rapid evolution

[short steeple]

They don't shoot bullets

They shoot little tiny beetles that enter your body and eat you.

Or crystallised poison shards

Or giant blobs of acid

[vocal drum]

can space marines survive one shot from their bullet?

[short steeple]

Probably

[plush mason]

ye they can

[short steeple]

But then you ask

[ebon zinc]

But of course they’re not being shot by just one

[short steeple]

How many space marines can stop thus

[vocal drum]

the bullet actually is a bug that eats u? wtf

[plush mason]

ye

[short steeple]

Fleshborers

[plush mason]

a little worm

[short steeple]

Tyranids are fun

[vocal drum]

thats nasty asf

[ebon zinc]

Yup. The bullets are smaller tyranids

[short steeple]

And it's violently adaptive

[vocal drum]

and they have no home planet we can blow up?

[short steeple]

Like one second your fighting this guy

And the next its this guy

[short steeple]

They aren't milky way species.

[plush mason]

hell the ships of the hivefleets are literally giant tyranids

[short steeple]

They didn't come from this galaxy

[vocal drum]

o

[short steeple]

They've appeared from the void between galaxies

[ebon zinc]

If they did, it’s in there home galaxy

[short steeple]

And have been travelling for about 10,000 years to get here.

And they don't birth themselves from planets

Planets are food

To make more tyranids

[vocal drum]

wow they are scary

[short steeple]

Yes

[plush mason]

ye

[short steeple]

The commonly accepted idea is that there are 2 Doomsday scenarios for Warhammer.

[vocal drum]

what other species can deal with them easily in 40k hammer univese

[short steeple]

Orks

[storm jungle]

Necrons too

[vocal drum]

why can orks kil tyranids and humans with super powerful genes cant?

[short steeple]

Orks and Tyranids are the 2 factions in Warhammer that could feasibly destroy the entire galaxy

[dull hazel]

Necrons and Orks, Orks are just too stubborn to be eaten and Crons are pure Metal

[storm jungle]

Because you die when you are killed.

[short steeple]

Orks like fighting and have the power of imagination

[storm jungle]

Orks are iffy

they got their ass kicked on Octarius

and lost

[short steeple]

Necrons are edible to tyranids

[storm jungle]

They arent

they are literally living metal

[short steeple]

We dump everything into a biopool that disintegrates you and digests you

Including metals

[storm jungle]

Not living metal

necrodermis doesnt have that property

[short steeple]

We fucking eat atmospheres you think necrons aren't edible?

[storm jungle]

Yes

lmao

[vocal drum]

my friend next to me was talking about that, anything they imagine happens?

[short steeple]

Mawloc Tyranids eat the literal ground

[short steeple]

It's complicated

[ebon zinc]

Isn’t that the Necrobs aren’t worth it for the tyranids cause they don’t have biomass?

[storm jungle]

Its literally magical metal, Nids avoid engagement with necrons because its a waste of everyones time

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[short steeple]

Yeah but necrons want to have skin again

And they can't do that if everything in the galaxy is dead

[dull hazel]

Necrons are Special Metal also even if you could eat them the price for doing so would byfar outweight the Biomass you get

[short steeple]

So Tyranids

[storm jungle]

That's just misinformation.

Orks psychic powers usually work to make their technology work, people just meme that they can have reality itself warp to their want when thats been never the case.

[celest dome]

Wasn't the Necron not being a favourable target due to the Displacement and the Gauss weaponry ?

[ebon zinc]

Well it’s more complicated than that

[storm jungle]

Yeah

they literally destroy you on an atomic level

[short steeple]

Oh no it's ok we have Tyranids that can go invisible and use psyker powers

And one who is literally immortal

[celest dome]

So if they find Necrodermis the Tyr can process it but they still are at a net loss

[storm jungle]

Not really

Necrodermis is a necron specific material

[celest dome]

Old One Eye isn't immortal

[storm jungle]

they literally get no use out of it

[vocal drum]

so just kil the hivemind queen for tyranids and win no they seem like that one race in starcraft 2 those bugs

[storm jungle]

You cant

do you know what a hivemind is

[vocal drum]

one controls all right?

[storm jungle]

Its not something physical

its literally the entire tyranid race's conciousness

[celest dome]

Didn't a SM Psyker link up with one at some point

[storm jungle]

Yeah tigrus

[short steeple]

My brother in Christ

[storm jungle]

but that was for like

5 seconds

[short steeple]

thinks you to death

[storm jungle]

and he almost got his brain exploded

[dull hazel]

well if you blow up their Leadship the Nids become feral again if i Remeber right so you kind of turn Galaxy Nommers into an Oversized Bug Infestation

[celest dome]

Psyker can do that too

[short steeple]

*disconnect them from the hivemind

[short steeple]

Also uh

Shadow in the warp

[storm jungle]

easier said than done

[vocal drum]

where do the Psyker's draw their power from

[short steeple]

You try to use psyker powers near a Tyranid and the entire hive mind is gonna eat your mind

[short steeple]

The warp

[celest dome]

Not all the Tyr cause Shadow in the Warp

[ebon zinc]

The Warp

[short steeple]

No, the Tyranids presence causes it

[celest dome]

Imatterium

[vocal drum]

the power of warp> Tyranids?

[short steeple]

Tyranids fuck the warp

There's a Tyranid hive fleet dedicated to destroying daemons with a super-shadow

Kronos

And different hive fleets give them spare food since they can't eat daemons

And if a planet gets invaded, they can't call for help

All communication goes through the waro

*warp

Tyranid invasions are nuts

[plush mason]

the shadow in the warp=giant radar/communications jammer that cuts off whole sectors as the nids close in

[short steeple]

Like hive jormungandr buries itself into giant meteorites and crashes them into the planet to disguise their landfall

Once the Tyranids make landfall, your fucked

Because then they can just keep on coming

[ebon zinc]

This is because humanity relies on psykers to communicate vast distances

[storm jungle]

^

[short steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40000space-marine2-warhammer40000-space-marine-tyranids-gif-24403616

And they keep on coming

And coming

[vocal drum]

is warp like the force in starwars that people draw from?

[storm jungle]

yeah we got it

[ebon zinc]

That’s why the Shadow in the Warp is so fucky wucky for a system

[storm jungle]

More or less

[short steeple]

Kind of

[storm jungle]

but instead of bacteria its a paralel dimension

also Bunny for the love of god

read the lexicanum

[ebon zinc]

That’s the closest analogy

[short steeple]

Except instead of surviving in space and flying its drawing the powers of hell to blow up someone's mind

[short steeple]

No.

[plush mason]

its like that and hell mixed together

[storm jungle]

Not you lol

[vocal drum]

oh thats awesome

[storm jungle]

The Force is pretty much the same

Nihilus literally succ'd the life-force of an entire planet once

[short steeple]

Bru

[storm jungle]

my space monks dont mess around

[short steeple]

Oh yeah nids have something like that

The doom of malan tai

A super Tyranid that literally drained the souls of eldar it killed

[vocal drum]

so when in game the pyker uses his power too much is it because the warp overloads his mind or something?

[short steeple]

Yeah

Too much exposure to HELL.

You know the darktide opening cinematic

[ebon zinc]

They get noticed by the daemons

[short steeple]

When all those guardsmen are freaking out because it's purple

[vocal drum]

yes

[dull hazel]

kind of but before that its more likely that a Demon says Hello and posses the Psyker

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Psyker

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[crisp heath]

No

Tyranids are the counter to the warp

[plush mason]

we are lucky the psyker's head only explodes and doesnt become a portal into the warp

[short steeple]

Isn't this what you wanted?

[ebon zinc]

Oh god just imagine

[short steeple]

Oh god lmao

[crisp heath]

I love chaos spawn :)

[vocal drum]

wow theres Tyranid Psykers lol

[ebon zinc]

Your psyker player fails to manage their perils of the warp

[short steeple]

Yes

Neurothropes, zoanthropes, malaceptors

[dull hazel]

hey Psyker we nee... why is their a Bloodthirster here

[short steeple]

Most important Tyranids

[storm jungle]

Just imagine you are hanging out with a psyker when then he overloads and this spawns

[ebon zinc]

And suddenly you see a chaos spawn next to you

[storm jungle]

truly grimdark

[short steeple]

Actually a good lot of Tyranids and psykers

Hive tyrants especially

Those guys are dun

[plush mason]

i would eat my lasgun or yeet myself off the nearest ledge

[vocal drum]

i dont get the counter of Tyranid's everything you listed why do the 40k devs write an enemy that cant be beaten

[vocal drum]

it seems impossible to beat them

[storm jungle]

Just saying,

Zombie Pigman > Most 40k Daemons

[plush mason]

lol

[short steeple]

They ignore them and have them beaten by bullshit and they never do anything important

[ebon zinc]

They kinda wrote themselves in a corner

[plush mason]

yeah

[short steeple]

Remember when the Tyranids nearly ate every single blood angel and a khorne daemon storm appeared just at the last moment??

I remember.

Remember when Tyranids nearly ate every single ultramarine and then somehow we lost?

I remember.

[plush mason]

when was the last time the nids where a major focus of a novel?

[crisp heath]

I mean, tyranids are hard to beat yet, but not impossible, the story of hive fleet Gorgon is that when the Tau and Imperium worked together, the hive fleet couldn’t build a counter against both their weaponry fast enough, only one or the other, and when they make that counter the other side would come in and mop them up

[ebon zinc]

Haha yea. That was lead by kabandha right?

[crisp heath]

But the imperium and Tau rarely ever team up

[robust adder]

who is the lady cougar in cutscene wearing red robe ? is she the emperor?

[plush mason]

?

[short steeple]

Blood angels and Necrons teamed up once to kill nids I remember

But the important thing to remember about Tyranids is

They aren't stupid bugs

[ebon zinc]

That requires a consistent team up

[short steeple]

They can use tactics

[crisp heath]

stop please, you’re giving me flashbacks of bad writing

[plush mason]

lol no

[short steeple]

Tyranids with guns take cover

[storm jungle]

No lol

[vocal drum]

how does that work

[storm jungle]

They attack people and they die

[noble hinge]

he did this for humanity

[ebon zinc]

And it ain’t 40k without Xenophobia

[plush mason]

plot armor

[noble hinge]

so its ok 😄

[storm jungle]

Its not lmao

[robust adder]

cool okay maybe a general ?

[crisp heath]

And yeah, Szarekh understands needing to kill the tyranids

[ebon zinc]

A shit writer

[short steeple]

Be me, Tyranid
Hungry
Go to ultramarine homeworld
Eat
Something something we lose

[storm jungle]

Rogue Trader

[noble hinge]

we live in a different kind of universe

[crisp heath]

Szarekh the Silent King wants to stop the nids

[noble hinge]

in 40k you have to do what you have to do

[storm jungle]

No lmao

[short steeple]

He saw the Tyranids in the warp, and turned tail and ran home

[storm jungle]

The galaxy and othe rhuman settlements were pretty much fine before the Imperium came along

[vocal drum]

honestly to me Tyranids are lame

[storm jungle]

they are tbh

ill stick to Zerg

dab

[short steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40000space-marine2-warhammer40000-space-marine-tyranids-gif-24403614

[noble hinge]

but now they are even better! Praise the emperor!

[vocal drum]

force evolution like what

[crisp heath]

Tyranid lore is lame, but Tyranids themselves are cool

[storm jungle]

This is a joke, I hope

[short steeple]

Tyranids are based

I got 5k

[noble hinge]

and a little bit of sarcasm 😄

[crisp heath]

I build tyranids too

[vocal drum]

this after learning about them today

[plush mason]

hell, the nids might not have even found the milkyway had the great crusade not happened lol

[dusk patrol]

I think they're fun as like, a threat but I don't really get people invested in them as a faction.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/tvd-enzo-almost-convinced-almost-had-me-convinced-gif-7820078

[vocal drum]

also whats actually stoppping them from eating the whole milky way galaxy u said they are arriving here 10,000 years?

[crisp heath]

Because big bugs are fun to paint

[vocal drum]

are they not here?

[short steeple]

They can't travel faster than light

So it takes them a while to move places

[crisp heath]

They don’t travel quickly

[vocal drum]

[crisp heath]

They are very slow

[ebon zinc]

It’s like Szarekh wants the tyranids dead but currently he’s also doing his whole thing with making the galaxy entirely blank to cut off the warp right?

[dusk patrol]

They're also quick sluggish in space

[plush mason]

that is literally the one saving grace. the fleets are slow as hell

[storm jungle]

Mostly because plot

if the tyranids killed everyone there would be no 40k

same as how necrons dont steamroll everyone

[noble hinge]

and this 2 are supposed to be low lvl psykers

[vocal drum]

makes sense

[storm jungle]

or orks

[short steeple]

Tyranids, orks or necrons are the Endgame

Orks if they all unite as 1

[dusk patrol]

Everyone is the endgame

[crisp heath]

If the Galaxy is blank with no psychic powers would exist this the astronomicon would cease

[short steeple]

No lmao

[crisp heath]

And the Tyranid would leave

[dusk patrol]

Almost every faction except Tau have some "I win" potential bullshit which they can never do

[short steeple]

No

[ebon zinc]

Exactly

[vocal drum]

so you explained tyranids are necrons Op like tyranids, do they eat planets and stuff

[short steeple]

The astronomicon didn't bring Tyranids here

[dusk patrol]

It was the Pharos

[crisp heath]

I thought it did

[plush mason]

wtf is the imperium's?

[short steeple]

Some guy during the Horus heresy did

[dusk patrol]

When it detonated

[celest dome]

Tyr won't leave till they've eaten everything they find

[crisp heath]

Oh

[storm jungle]

You really need to read the lexi because this chat is a mess and won't answer anything properly.

[vocal drum]

will do lol

[dusk patrol]

Also like

[short steeple]

I am giving 100% accurate information

[dusk patrol]

You know, don't ask peopel to explain everything to you

Do a bit of your own research

Its easy to find this stuff

[short steeple]

Also because I'm waiting for my computer to cool down after playing too much darktide

[ebon zinc]

No. They are a hyper advanced race of what are essentially robot mummies

[crisp heath]

Yeah, Tyranid lore is like 2 pages long

[vocal drum]

they sound better than tyanids

[short steeple]

Space robot terminator Egyptians that can teleport and kill gods

[crisp heath]

You can read all of it in like 20 minutes

[short steeple]

90% of them are still asleep underground

[plush mason]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necron

[dusk patrol]

They're more just a overlying threat than a proper faction tbh

[crisp heath]

And wonder why

Necron lore is expansive though

Because you start all the way back before the war in heaven

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Every other faction has a lot of stuff

[noble hinge]

i loved playing necro in dawn of war

[dusk patrol]

Nids its just, kinda impossible

[noble hinge]

they resurections were nice

[crisp heath]

The war in heaven is its own thing you need to read

[dusk patrol]

They have no character besides Swarmlord and sorta GSC

[plush mason]

ye

[short steeple]

Old one eye, deathleaper, the red terror

[dusk patrol]

You can't explain their origins

[crisp heath]

The GSC has better lore than Nids

[vocal drum]

necrons faced off against space marines thats pretty cool

[dusk patrol]

As I said, no characters

[short steeple]

Oh yeah sorry GW keeps removing the characters

Rest in peace red terror

[plush mason]

they are human in origin so they are easier to write

[short steeple]

[dusk patrol]

Even if they did exist, they're barely characters

[crisp heath]

Well yeah, the whole Indomitus setting was Space Marines vs Necrons

[dusk patrol]

I mean

[short steeple]

Everyone in the galaxy has fought each other and also themselves at least once

[full bane]

They're independent/named characters, but they don't have character

[dusk patrol]

Indomitus is everything.

[dusk patrol]

Basically

Unironically, we have machines in the Imperium with more character than them.

There's guns which have displayed more character

[crisp heath]

I mean how do you give Tyranids character when they don’t speak

And they just obey hive mind orders

[short steeple]

Arkhan land.

[dusk patrol]

Kinda the case in point

[short steeple]

Inventor of the land raider

[dusk patrol]

They're more just a like, background faction.

[crisp heath]

They’re characters because of their uniqueness

[short steeple]

Good friends with Jimmy bolt, Johnny Las, and Jimmy space.

[plush mason]

i didnt know navigators had special helmets. i have only ever seen them with hoods

[dusk patrol]

Its why while I understand nid players being upset when Nids don't get to do a lot, although they definitely have their fair share of victories.

Like, whatts the alternative?

If Nids win, everyone loses

[crisp heath]

Tyranids won the Octarius war

They beat the Orks

[plush mason]

ye

[short steeple]

Oh wow we beat up some orks

Lets compare that to space marine lore shall we

[dusk patrol]

Their win condition is completely obliterating the enemy.

[crisp heath]

They beat a whole Ork Waaaagh

[crisp heath]

Please no

[dusk patrol]

If you wanna be invested in Nids just do GSC I guess.

[short steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/list-amazinggrace-court-watching-scroll-gif-13488308

List of space marine victories

[plush mason]

lets not as the space marines are the fucking face of 40k so they have more lore and wins that all other factions combined by default

[crisp heath]

Stop

Please

You’re gonna make me cry

[dusk patrol]

Oh boy a fresh topic

[crisp heath]

;-;

[dusk patrol]

Never heard this before.

[short steeple]

Ok let's discuss something never discussed

[dusk patrol]

Whats next, are we gonna start calling Ultramarines Mary sues?

[short steeple]

Do you think forge world Metallica produces loudeners instead of silencers

[plush mason]

lol

[crisp heath]

I like GSC a lot though, the mining theme is done really well

Imagine guard regiment which attacked orc stealth boys in melee and actually won

[plush mason]

i know they are walking flashbangs with their bright ass white robes

[full bane]

Behaviour and emoting, the issue with Tyranid characters is that they're either archetypes that the Hive Fleet pops out, or one off things that had a notable aberration that one time but otherwise acted the same as the other nids.

The real characters imo are the Hive Fleets themselves.

[ebon zinc]

One must wonder if GW has the balls to bring Ghazghkull and his Waagh to the level of (the questionably written) the Orks during the War of the Beast

[short steeple]

The guns made by Metallica are designed to be super fucking loud

[full bane]

Because the overall hive has its own doctrine and like preferences.

[crisp heath]

Not to mention fighting in place which orcs considered an horrific shit hole and still feeling actually kinda great

[plush mason]

ofc they are

[crisp heath]

The only character like that is old one eye

[full bane]

Doom of Malantai and the unique flying Tyranid Warrior too for the "aberrant but just kind of pops up once"

[short steeple]

Parasite of Mortrex?

[crisp heath]

Yeah, not a lot of Tyranids have personality

Parasite of Mortrex, my favorite alien knock off bug

[short steeple]

The parasite is more like a bigger gargoyle

[crisp heath]

I do love alien though

[short steeple]

You'll like genestealers

[crisp heath]

It’s why I love nids

I do

[short steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-genestealer-warhammer40k-genestealer-cults-big-brain-gif-26982823

[crisp heath]

I play nids and GSC

[short steeple]

Nice

I play guard and nids

[crisp heath]

I have some Genestealers lying around somewhere

Might’ve stepped on one though

Hurt like hell

[short steeple]

Yikes

[crisp heath]

One of strongest points of stealers is that they live in horrible shit hole and feel nice there

And now I’m sad cause it broke

Then, guard comand send Savlar to them

[short steeple]

Ok gonna go now by

[crisp heath]

Cya

Gby

Imagine how horrible your world should be , that you’d rather get shot by commissar insted of going back there

[plush mason]

the imperium is one giant prison, so just imagine how hellish their actual prisons are

imperial law is so fucked that on many worlds it is just as a much crime to be kidnapped as it is to kidnap someone

if you want to see just how wrong everything is in the imperium look into the arbitus and the laws of the imperium

[crisp heath]

And there’s Necromunda

Where they’re so aggressive that the GSC that reside there can’t build numbers because they did too quickly

[plush mason]

imperial law is just needless cruelty and suffering that isnt even pretending to be just, the people are just powerless to treat it as anything else

[crisp heath]

Remember that one dude who was so cruel, everyone hated him because he was that bad

He would just exterminatus planets without warning, because he wanted to starve the Tyranids of food

[storm jungle]

Kryptman

[crisp heath]

And killed trillions doing so

Kryptman yes

[storm jungle]

he literally got excommunicated lmao

[crisp heath]

For being too mean

There is a limit of how mean you can get

[plush mason]

and then the deathwatch said "lmao like fuck that is happening"

[feral agate]

to be fair, he did save trillions of lives because his exterminatus's made the hive fleet change course

[storm jungle]

Deathwatch showed up like they were frat-mates when their Inquisibro needed help

[storm jungle]

And killed billions more on Octarius

and his plan failed as the Nids won

[feral agate]

but also killed the orks

win-win

[storm jungle]

Lmao no

[plush mason]

no

[storm jungle]

Orks are literally everywhere

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

those numbers genuinely meant nothing

[crisp heath]

Orks are always everywhere

It just depends which stage of their growth they’re at

[plush mason]

but honestly the inquisition is above imperial law anyway so they are always fucked up, the law itself is the clearest sign you will find of how wrong and evil the imperium of man is

[storm jungle]

also we never hear about competent inquisitors because the evil ones are always the ones that get more screentime

[plush mason]

ye

[crisp heath]

I feel like Necromunda is probably the best place to live compared to 40k, or an agricultural world that’s no where near any Tyranid invasions

Or Orks

Or chaos…

Or Druhkari..

Or the inquisition

[ebon zinc]

Well considering it’s a hive city there might be chaos cults

Of course we don’t know that

[plush mason]

btw it wasnt that he was cruel it was that he wasted a shit ton of resources doing that. the imperium doesnt give a shit about morals and never has

[crisp heath]

They die too quickly before anything starts as far as we know

[crisp heath]

That’s fair

[plush mason]

necromunda is a mad max desert outside the hives and a Darwinistic hellscape inside the hives so you are fucked there unless you live at the very top in the upper spire

[ebon zinc]

Honestly impressive all things considered.

Hive Tertium can’t contain Chaos but Necromunda can

In the sense of cults that is

[crisp heath]

Yeah, because it’s either live in a gang or die on the streets

Cults can’t uprise for daemon worship as they just get killed off so quickly, it’s why GSC can’t get enough people

The patriarch maybe deep, DEEP below the hive city, deep enough no one would find it

But the cult can’t get enough members

So they’re just vibin there

[dusk tinsel]

You could live on a pleasure world

[ebon zinc]

When Necromunda is so fucked up for a Hive City that it actually works to its own benefits

[ebon zinc]

Just hope a Slaaneshi cult hasn’t cropped up there

[crisp heath]

I hate Slaanesh…

[dusk patrol]

His planned succeeded partially in that it bought the Imperium time, the alternative was just, all those worlds get destroyed and the Nids pile drive the Imperium.

It didn’t destroy the fleet but it still bought a lot of time for the Imperium, tbh I think objectively it’s hard to say he made the wrong call, the worlds were dead anyways, and it’s not like there were any other options beyond everyone dying

[broken zenith]

yup

[dusk patrol]

He was definitely an evil prick still if you read any of the shorts or stories featuring him, he even managed to make a lot of the Deathwatch personnel who worked with him despise him.

And they work with some very very fucked individuals.

[vocal drum]

has there been any attempts to capture a tyranid and interogate it

so we find out more information about their species and where they are originate from

[dusk patrol]

Not how they work

They’re a hive mind

[rustic spruce]

i believe a librarian of the ultramarines talked to a queen once

[ripe ravine]

attempts? most likely. successful ones? no. the tyranid is slight more complicated than a hive mind but the individual foot soldiers have no individuality

[dusk patrol]

There’s been a few cases of people touching the hive mind

Generally doesn’t feel so great

Tigurius being one

The dude in Valedor

[ripe ravine]

in devastation of baal its said that even at the height of the dark age of technology even when mankind was most advanced they probably couldn't understand how tyranid think

[broken zenith]

Inquisitor Lord Varius of the Haar Conclave of the Ordo Xenos during the Anphelion Project tried to contain the Tyranids and experiment on them at Beta Anphelion IV.

[rustic spruce]

iirc back in ye olden days the tyranids could communicate through a race called the zoats, but i believe they got shoved out an airlock

[ripe ravine]

interesting and depressing thing about the tyranid, their hive fleets are approaching from outside our galaxy in different directions so there's a chance that the galaxies all around us are tyranid conquered

[vocal drum]

so what happens when they conquer the galaxy what left to eat?

[dusk patrol]

The important thing is, it doesn’t matter

[crisp heath]

Tyranids can’t speak

[dusk patrol]

Because it’ll never be explained

We don’t know

[ebon zinc]

Did they ever officially retcon the zoats or were they just forgotten? I don’t remember

[dusk patrol]

And we’re never gonna know

[ripe ravine]

mission accomplished I guess

[dusk patrol]

They still exist

[ripe ravine]

but yeah unknowable

[rustic spruce]

they move on to galaxy number 2

[vocal drum]

i think necrons need to wake up their sleeping army to deal with them

[broken zenith]

Anphelion Project was successful enough for the Inquisitorial Representative to delay the death warrant of the Inquisitor Lord Varius for example, his methods were successful in the creation of D-99 as genetically enhanced soldiers to combat the Tyranids too.

[crisp heath]

Zoats

Autocorrect

[vocal drum]

that is sad and depressing lol

[ripe ravine]

they also eat more than just organic matter, they will nom nom the actual planets

[broken zenith]

Ye, Zoats virtually returned in 2020 thanks to Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress expansion

[crisp heath]

I didn’t know people remembered the zoats

[broken zenith]

and James Workshop LoV apology video whether jokingly or seriously talked about Zoats too

[ebon zinc]

Whole galaxies before ours consumed. It’s why the fleet is so massive

A lot of biomass

[ripe ravine]

I believe that zoat character appears in Blackstone Fortress: Ascension the novel as well

[broken zenith]

Yup

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah, by giving them an army wide 2+ invuln lol

[broken zenith]

as well as Liber Xenologis

[vocal drum]

thats insane that the whole galaxy is consumed, all the 250billion + stars

• planets

do they eat stars?

[ebon zinc]

Nice to see the zoats weren’t forgotten. Although what are they doing now?

[crisp heath]

No

Only planets with biomass

[ebon zinc]

No. Just biological being mostly

[ripe ravine]

the scale of tyranids is crazy even for 40k. the hive fleets we have been fighting this whole time are "scout tentacles" of the main force

[ebon zinc]

Down to cells and bacteria

[broken zenith]

They still remain as much enigmatic as they were 35 years ago D:

[ebon zinc]

Of course they are

[vocal drum]

what a dumb enemy honestly

[ebon zinc]

Why did I expect anything else

[broken zenith]

The Archivist in WQ:BSF is basically devising a conspiracy as the Rogue Trader Draik mentions

in Liber Xenologis for example

[crisp heath]

And Tyranids have been around since 2nd edition Warhammer 40k, which is when it was still rogue trader

[vocal drum]

whats more dangerous out of these 3 races

[storm jungle]

Its literally your classic space-locus bug race every sci-fi universe has, so not sure what else you are expecting

[vocal drum]

,tyranids, flood or that parasite race from starcraft 2

[storm jungle]

Zerg and Nids are the same race

[ripe ravine]

the 40k setting doesn't really advance that quickly. tyranids and necrons are both galaxy ending threats that hang over the setting like a sword of damocles

[storm jungle]

Flood can destroy entire universes

also like

are super smart

[crisp heath]

All of the above

[vocal drum]

ah

[broken zenith]

I always loved the Twilight Zone esque twist of the Zoats in RT

https://tenor.com/view/twilight-zone-aliens-cookbook-gif-25791248

[storm jungle]

Nids cant really consume the information other factions have and use it against them either

best they got is genestealer cults

[ripe ravine]

and yeah starcraft was supposed to be a 40k game but they couldn't get the rights

[rustic spruce]

the zerg are tyranid lite

[ripe ravine]

why the zerg look like nids and the humans like space marines

[storm jungle]

Zerg dont look like nids

they are just the same space bug race

[ripe ravine]

don't they though

[storm jungle]

nah

they are missing the bulbous heads

[ripe ravine]

lol ok

[crisp heath]

This is because StarCraft was a Warhammer game right? Until GW said “nah” and told them not to make it Warhammer and revoked their license?

[storm jungle]

which nids just lifted from xenomorphs so

[ebon zinc]

Even back then GW we’re hesitant to give away licensing

[crisp heath]

No they were not

They gave their license away so easily

[crisp heath]

One year there was like 40 Warhammer games apparently

[broken zenith]

it's funny how Andy Chambers as the conceptual father of the Tyranids began working for Blizzard on StarCraft II once he left GW

[crisp heath]

Only 2 succeeded

[ebon zinc]

Sorry wrong wording

[crisp heath]

They gave away their license to see what would stick

[crisp heath]

That sounds awful, especially with what blizzard has done

God I hate Blizzard

[broken zenith]

Yup, sadly

but Blizzard was still fine when Andy Chambers joined them back then

it was just when they were working on SC II

[crisp heath]

They weren’t fine, they just didn’t get caught T-T

This has apparently been going on for Blizzard