40k-lore-chat

[kind parrot]

the writer was change constalty there so it's hard to see what the writer wanted there...

[weary solar]

forreal bruh

it'd looks so sick man..,,,

[plush mason]

ye

[clever steppe]

They fight the bugs

[crimson dragon]

Just briefly skimmed on their lore. It seems like they're good hunters

Can probably live in catachan

[clever steppe]

I like these guys Netflix witcher armor

[crimson dragon]

They apparently specialize in killing tyranids

[crimson dragon]

Wtf

[kind parrot]

No pink or purple in it it can't be Netflix then 😄

[crimson dragon]

They look like french knights in the 15th century

Except the scales

Of their armor

[clever steppe]

They’re from a desert world

[crimson dragon]

Lemme guess

[clever steppe]

Why they dressed like it’s cold

[crimson dragon]

Byzantium?

[clever steppe]

Byhata

Oh wait

No

[kind parrot]

because they aint' got time to sweat

[crimson dragon]

Oh vitrian dragoons?

Tf

[plush mason]

it gets cold as hell in the desert at night

like, freeze to death kind of cold

[crimson dragon]

Im gonna guess they also specialize in killing tyranids

[clever steppe]

It’s cold af in most places at night

[weary solar]

what is this regiment??

[ashen shoal]

Valhallan Ice Warriors could be nice looking if we got cloth physics on that big coat they all wear

[clever steppe]

This one

[crimson dragon]

Vitrian dragoons

[weary solar]

thanks

[kind parrot]

that is relative to this Fenris

[crimson dragon]

Well byhata might be a desert planet, but apparently they originally came from vitria

It got destroyed by genestealers from what im reading rn

Oh wait nvm

Its also a desert planet

[clever steppe]

Oh i forgot about the space Russians

[crimson dragon]

[crimson dragon]

More like space finnish

Space russians are the vostroyan first born

[clever steppe]

Right cuz they actually win

[crimson dragon]

[kind parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-face-im-surprised-pikachu-gif-26500978

[ashen shoal]

Surprised no one's mentioned Maccabian Janissaries as cosmetics

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[final spruce]

We got one of their sabers

[clever steppe]

Id say more on that subject but i avoid político

[plush mason]

ye

[plush mason]

more Cossack than russian tho

[crimson dragon]

This is what I would think a guardsman from Barbarus would look like if Mortarion remained loyal

[celest dome]

Maccabian Duel Sword Mk2 and Mk5

[celest dome]

Miasman Red Cowl

Heavy Promethium Regiment

[plush mason]

i love that when you use that your character enters an actual dueling stance

[crisp heath]

what would a female space marine look like

[crimson dragon]

Space italians

[celest dome]

Same as a male SM

[celest dome]

Something Arditi

[crisp heath]

would their proportions increase in the same way that space marines do?

like would they have giant heads

[celest dome]

Supposedly

[plush mason]

most likely yes

[celest dome]

No clear information since we never had the case

[plush mason]

ye

[celest dome]

(So only conjectures are possible)

[crisp heath]

we used to have eldar space marines lol

[celest dome]

I'm hoping to find the Mk5 soon for my Psyker

[crimson dragon]

Its Dieprian Mountain men

[celest dome]

Half Eldar

[celest dome]

Are the Arditi the real name or something ? RL counterpart?

[crimson dragon]

Idk italian

[ashen shoal]

The less that is said about early 40k lore, the better lol

[crisp heath]

half eldar humans were also a thing

i forgot about that

[crimson dragon]

But i think arditi stands for be bold

Or the daring ones

[plush mason]

understanding early 40k lore is easy, just do a shit ton of acid

[ashen shoal]

The chapter master of the ultramarines used to be half eldar

[crimson dragon]

Tf

[ashen shoal]

and there was also Obi-Wan Sherlock Clouuseau the inquisitor

[crisp heath]

there was also female space marines

[ashen shoal]

and he had a yin yang symbol on his chest

[celest dome]

Which is still cannon

[crimson dragon]

This is why i think theyre space italians

[plush mason]

yes but the models didnt sell well so they got removed

[crisp heath]

wew lad

[crimson dragon]

Most of the other regiments look similar to cadians now which i dont like

[crisp heath]

warhammer is kinda weird, you guys ever think about the name "space marines"

marines...in space

[arctic talon]

Not true they just don’t have minis

Unless we’re talking about the cadian standard which has been a thing since like 4th

[celest dome]

Space Marine is used by plenty of sci fi setting

[ashen shoal]

I mean they're hardly the first setting to have marines in space, Aliens has it too

[crimson dragon]

I dont like cadian standard uniforms or armor

[crisp heath]

I thought those were colonial marines

[crimson dragon]

I like their lore just that their uniforms look bad

[arctic talon]

Well that’s been a thing since 2004

Unfortunately

[celest dome]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceMarine

[plush mason]

ye and historically marines are some of the most elite and often the only permanent standing armed force many nations have

[crisp heath]

oh yeah the starcraft space marines too

[crimson dragon]

Anyone here know of ig regiments from a ocean planet

Notable ones

[atomic pelican]

SM armor colors match their favorite crayon flavor

[ashen shoal]

Yeah like the imperial navy is called the navy, it's not called the space force or smth, and if you translate over all of that, the elite force of any space fighting force would have to be marines

unless you want to call them navy armsmen or smth

[crisp heath]

Do you guys think a halo spartan could beat a space marine

[arctic talon]

Can’t think of any

[crimson dragon]

Well they call it navy cause they call their space faring vessels after ships

[arctic talon]

Depends on what the spartan and marine are armed with

[crimson dragon]

Make sense no?

[clever steppe]

Which one

[atomic pelican]

John 'Halo' Master chef

[crisp heath]

It would have to be something that there's parity with to make it fair, like no normal assault rifle vs bolter lol

[clever steppe]

Then probably

[crisp heath]

spartan 4 with gen 3 mjolnir vs modern tactical marine

[crimson dragon]

Can his armor even handle bolter rounds?

[ashen shoal]

I mean master chief could probably beat rank and file space marine sure, I don't think he can beat a chapter master or even a company captain

[arctic talon]

Considering it survived orbital re entry yes

[crimson dragon]

Ok

[crisp heath]

Easily, it handles things like hunter assault cannon explosives

[arctic talon]

It can prolly eat a few big hits before breaking apart

Also Spartans have the upside of shields that regenerate

[crisp heath]

I'd agree with that, the shields that the company captain has would be crazy

[ashen shoal]

He'd also just die instantly to a librarian

[clever steppe]

The sticky grenade launcher from reach would make it a lot more clear

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crisp heath]

What about the stanchion

[arctic talon]

Honestly who ever lands the first hit with a powerful weapon would win

Between a marine and spartan

[dusk patrol]

He’s definitely fast enough to keep up

[arctic talon]

^

[crisp heath]

The stanchion's the halo book railgun

[arctic talon]

Spartans go really fuckin fast

[dusk patrol]

The main issue is the Astartes durability and their weapons being so strong

[crisp heath]

I dont think a tactical marine is going to survive a stanchion shot

[dusk patrol]

He mostly just needs a good gun to deal with them

Like the railgun or Spartan laser

[clever steppe]

Since six was trained in stealth warfare id say they’d win against any marine if they’re allowed the first hit

[ashen shoal]

What if it was Raven Guard tho

[crisp heath]

issue with the spartan laser is that it has a charge up time like the lascannon

[dusk patrol]

Marines are also in that so I mean

Anyone who gets a free first hit wins lol

They can both one shot eachother with the right guns

[arctic talon]

^

[clever steppe]

Hence allowed

[dusk patrol]

Marine senses and armor sensors would make that pretty difficult I imagine

Especially because things like active camouflage in halo, give off massive heat signatures

[crisp heath]

realistically what weapons does the tactical marine have access too that can one shot a spartan?

[crisp heath]

They dealt with that using cooling tech

[arctic talon]

Melta gun, plasma gun

Both fall into the anti tank catagory of weapons imo

[dusk patrol]

Realistically, a Bolter probably could

[crisp heath]

melta gun yea, plasma gun maybe if it overcharges

[crisp heath]

I'm highly doubtful of this

[dusk patrol]

Spartan shields don’t block that much in the actual books and lore

[crisp heath]

yes they do

[dusk patrol]

And they get absolutely fucked by plasma weapons

[crisp heath]

They've blocked shots from hunter assault cannons, which do far more damage than bolters

[dusk patrol]

They have never blocked a direct hit. They take glancing blows from them, but they definitely wouldn’t survive a direct hit.

[ashen shoal]

In game? or in books?

[cerulean wing]

Error 2007 fix?

[crisp heath]

They blocked them in ghosts of onyx, and again in the flood iirc

[dusk patrol]

In the books, a few blast from a plasma weapon destroys the shields

[clever steppe]

If it’s master cheeks he’ll woo the sm

[crisp heath]

I know the shot in ghosts of onyx was a direct hit and fred survived it

[arctic talon]

Do not mention the tv show

[dusk patrol]

I know what you’re talking about and I’m almost positive. It wasn’t a direct hit and on top of that I’m pretty sure the case you’re thinking of Cortana was involved and directed the shielding to better defend against the hit

[cerulean wing]

Can anyone help with the error code:2007

[clever steppe]

If it’s a destiny guardian its over

[crisp heath]

It was frederick, not john spartan, it was a direct hit and we know it was because he intercepted the shot from hitting their dropship

[dusk patrol]

It depends on the guardian honestly

[crisp heath]

cortana was not involved

[dusk patrol]

Most guardians in Destiny lore are pretty shit

We went down as a squad of nine

[arctic talon]

💀

[clever steppe]

A single gjallerhorn boi

[crisp heath]

Cortana helped chiefs shields stop 50mm shells from a gunship tho that was weird

[dusk patrol]

She also had helped him block a missile

[crimson dragon]

I wonder if daot humans had something equal to space marines

[clever steppe]

Better yet

[crisp heath]

he got hit by a few shots and his shield didn't drop during fall of reach

[clever steppe]

One with divinity

[crimson dragon]

And god emperor just reused them

Their ideas

[crisp heath]

but the book im referencing was ghosts of onyx, and cortana was not involved and it wasnt even chief who got hit

it was fred

[clever steppe]

Fred op tho

[dusk patrol]

I know what seen referring to, and I’m almost positive he didn’t take an actual direct hut

[clever steppe]

Blue team in general are pretty op

[crisp heath]

it was going to blow up his dropship, he jumped in front of it and intercepted it

Fred is cracked outta his mind

this was also in gen 1 btw, with the weakest shielding systems of all the gens

IIRC he was testing the gen 2 shields tho

[clever steppe]

Especially linda since she’d be hyper lethal if the unsc still gave those out

[crisp heath]

which is why he survived

A different spartan still using gen 1 shields was actually killed by that same shot

in the same book

[dusk patrol]

Maybe then, idk. There’s definitely inconsistencies in the books for what the shields can tank.

[crisp heath]

Doubt it, chief also survived a shot from a hunter assault cannon in the flood

2/3 times spartans have survived it with the weakest shields possible, gen 3 is easily going to tank that

william was the one-off who was killed

[clever steppe]

Heres the real question

Can batman beat an sm

[ashen shoal]

Idk why in these fights people always give the Spartan all the weird hyper specialized gear that they would realistically never carry around on a day to day basis, but the Space marine has to make do with a chain sword and the bolter. Give them both their best gear, space marine should be getting iron halos, graviton weapons, power swords

[kind parrot]

I don't believe he can

[crisp heath]

All modern spartans are equipped with gen 3, this isn't specialized gear, and I also said a modern space marine tactical marine, who doesnt have access to graviton weapons or iron halos

[dusk patrol]

It’s also possible Hunter assault cannons aren’t that strong, but either way I don’t see it surviving much Bolter fire form what I recall from most depictions

[clever steppe]

Whale wiff enuff prep tim🤓

[ashen shoal]

sure but their weapons. Your average spartan is walking around with a 5.56 calibre assault rifle and and M6D pistol

[crisp heath]

Well, it was going to shoot down a spirit dropship which are cannonically super tough

[ashen shoal]

not a spartan laser and a stanchion

[kind parrot]

Nope

[dusk patrol]

Spartans main issue is being able to have something to kill the marine

[crisp heath]

Not true, spartans actually don't have any sort of "typical" standardization, they can use literally any weapon in the UNSC arsenal and have in the past gone into missions where every spartan was armed with a stanchion

spartan laser is shit, i dont consider them for this battle

[clever steppe]

[crisp heath]

because a space marine is easily going to be blowing a spartan away with a bolter before that splaser is done charging

[dusk patrol]

Yes and marines can also request a ton of stuff so like

[kind parrot]

Let's make it fair only fists 🙂

[dusk patrol]

They’re trained to pre fire it

[kind parrot]

Halo vs SM = Only Fists, where skill decides alone would be fair

[crisp heath]

depending on rank, yes, like a captain is going to have access to gear that would BTFO any spartan, graviton weapons, refractor fields, volkite guns

but a tactical marine aint

[dusk patrol]

Tactical marines definitely could, you don’t need a Volkite gun or a graviton gun

[crisp heath]

Still, its a huge disadvantage to have to charge a weapon up before firing, stanchion is the better option since you dont need that

[dusk patrol]

Just a plasma gun or stalker rifle

[ashen shoal]

Which mission was this, and what's the purpose? I assume they were sniping? In that case sure it'd make sense. But come on, every common depiction of your spartan in their most general loadout is carrying a low calibre assault rifle and a m6d pistol

[clever steppe]

Too late i called in a drone strike

[crisp heath]

well yeah a tactical marine is going to have access to plasma, melta, lascannons, Im not sure a stalker rifle is doing it unless they're loaded with crazy munitions

[dusk patrol]

Stalker rifles shoot down aircraft

[kind parrot]

The drone strike misses by a thread the space marines moves in for the kill 😄

[crisp heath]

It was in fall of reach during chiefs assault on the space station along with linda (might've been kelly) and isaac (who died)

[dusk patrol]

There’s actually a case of one piercing a marine using a Tau shield funnily enough and doming him

[odd palm]

Oh god, not another Spartan v Astartes head to head

[ashen shoal]

I'm just saying, Reddit Threads like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/p1sl4s/what_gear_are_spartans_most_effective_with/

suggest that spartans generally don't carry that kind of munitions around

[crisp heath]

depending on the aircraft, you could probably down it with a literal thrown roock

[dusk patrol]

Uh ok

Like, what?

[kind parrot]

Heretics i say, Purge the unclean i say.

[crisp heath]

I generally don't follow reddit threads, mostly because they're kinda weird and dont consider all the information

[normal stream]

Titan go haha

[odd palm]

[crisp heath]

a titan unironically solos earth lol

[normal stream]

Most of the people on this server are even worse for lore background though

[dusk patrol]

Anyways all that matters is if the Spartan has a good enough gun, and who gets the drop

[crisp heath]

Thats unfortunate

[normal stream]

r/40kLore is pretty darn solid.

[crisp heath]

sounds about right

[dusk patrol]

So it’s kinda a boring conversation tbh

[crisp heath]

give the SM a plasma gun or stalker rifle with good ammo, and its a 50%

[dusk patrol]

Spartans would be like, super advanced world class Guardsmen

[normal stream]

There's a lot of people on this server who can only see the perspective of their own favorite faction and therefore it's the best faction.

[dusk patrol]

Maybe Skitarii

[odd palm]

The real answer between the Spartan v Astartes is as always…..it depends on the circumstances

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[crisp heath]

isnt that the same as reddit

[ashen shoal]

If it was just the two of them fistfighting with no armor, Marine wins 10/10

[dusk patrol]

It’s just kinda dead horse discussion

[crisp heath]

yeah that sounds about right

[dusk patrol]

Been done to death

[normal stream]

The real answer is "it's two different universes wtf are we doing comparing them"

[normal stream]

No, r/40kLore is pretty solid.

[dusk patrol]

I mean I get it

It’s fun

It’s just this topic is old as hell

[odd palm]

Idk mate, it’s just two super soldiers the comparisons will always be drawn

[crisp heath]

IDK I know a guy who's a loremaster and he tells me to stay tf away from reddit regarding 40k

[celest dome]

40k Space Marine beat Starcraft Space Marine
But Starcraft SM are supposed to be the Guardsmen

[ashen shoal]

40klore is good because everyone has properly sourced shit to bring up, other subreddits, much less so

[arctic talon]

^

[normal stream]

The problem is you can't down vote into oblivion the really dumb comments here, you can on reddit.

[dusk patrol]

StarCraft SM have some pretty nuts guns tbh

[arctic talon]

40klore subreddit has good sourcing

[dusk patrol]

sometimes

[arctic talon]

Yeah this also lol those guns are horrifying

[normal stream]

Yep. People actually cite sources there.

[ashen shoal]

Like if you bring up something on 40klore, someone will have the page number of the book or codex ready for you, with an exact quote

meanwhile other subreddits are just regurgitating half remembered shit they saw once in an episode of TTS

[arctic talon]

Starcraftmarines might suck from an armor perspective but those guns can damage tanks

[normal stream]

People here are like "but muh marines" or "but muh special kriegers"

[crisp heath]

I wouldn't consider that a good thing for these kinds of discussions, if everyone is wrong and doesnt have a source for the information they post, they'd just be downvoting legitimate information while upvoting misinformation

[dusk patrol]

Yeah, they’re probably fucked because of reaction speeds and armor being pretty shit

[normal stream]

Well, it works there. Here it's just a competition of who yells louder.

[dusk patrol]

But they can do damage

[crisp heath]

Especially considering 40k is so old that you have to establish trends and not just go off outliers

Like, for example, no one considers that one world eater getting killed by a spear to be an actual representation of space marine durability

[ashen shoal]

Not even just trends, you'd have to consider the author too. Some books have humans getting their asses absolutely beat by marines, other novels you have Ciaphas Cain somehow dueling a marine evenly in hand to hand

[crisp heath]

And no one takes into account that one time a naked chaos marine 1v1'd an armored custodes and won

[arctic talon]

I mean it is a representation of marine overconfidence

[ashen shoal]

I still hate that one lmao, literally punched through auramite

[celest dome]

That was retconned

[crisp heath]

CS goto is generally that one author you dont consider

[crisp heath]

it pierced his neck armor

[atomic pelican]

Wave serpent vs child throwing rock death battle

[crisp heath]

a wooden spear

[arctic talon]

He wasn’t wearing a helmet

[ashen shoal]

I was talking about sandy Mitchell lol

[crisp heath]

he wasn't? cringe

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And he had a chance to kill the guy

But laughed like an idiot instead so he got skewered by a wooden spear

[crisp heath]

Why did he die from the spear, space marines can rappidly regenerate

[ashen shoal]

artery apparently

[crisp heath]

unless their regeneration isnt that strong

[arctic talon]

Rapid blood loss because it hit an artery

Didn’t kick in fast enough

[crisp heath]

They routinely survive get entire limbs ripped off, why would a plugged neck artery kill him

[arctic talon]

Idk

[crisp heath]

thats the probllem

[ashen shoal]

who knows, the author had a point to make and damn it if logic is going to stop him

[crisp heath]

trends need to be established, cant just go off one time things

because 40k is what, 40 years old at this point?

[arctic talon]

I think a bit younger

[crisp heath]

old asf is the point lol

[kind parrot]

maybe but GW always looked at the books that they will not make profit so why bother censor them , since even once the CEO said that it's not canon what happens in the books it's just an view point how it went down

[ashen shoal]

There's also all the memes about the Avatar of Khaine, and how despite being this insane supernatural superweapon, it just gets it's ass beat on the regular by everything

[crisp heath]

alot of different authors, when debating this kind of stuff just one time events shouldnt really be used

gotta use trends, like space marines routinely dodge bullets

[kind parrot]

yes you have around 10 25 writers some of them are fans and did not wrote maybe 1 or 2 books

[arctic talon]

Tbf it does get its ass beaten in a lot of codex entries

But it also beats a lot of ass but no one talks about it

[crisp heath]

If this is the case, then we truly cannot ever debate 40k

could you link me to that ?

[ashen shoal]

They do this shit with the swarmlord too. Basically any enemy that can't actually die permanently, they hype them up to all hell, and then have the character they're actually promoting easily kill them

just lazy writing

[arctic talon]

I don't think thats ever been said

Unless it was by Tom kirby but the guy was inflamatroy on purpose

[crisp heath]

would be absolutely hilarious if that is the case

[arctic talon]

and he's sort of been thrown under the bus by GW lol

[plush mason]

lol

[ashen shoal]

Swarmlord gets hyped up as this insanely poweful monster that can destroy worlds, only so that he can get killed first by Calgar, then by some random ultramarine called Ortan Cassius, and then most recently again by Dante

[kind parrot]

Their "official" stance (as in, what black library writers agree on) is that their is no official canon (outside of the larger concepts eg the emperor is on the golden throne etc) and that individual stories are a writers interpretation of the setting.

I personally don't like this stance but that's the way it is

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/5aexwi/has_there_been_any_official_gw_statement/

[plush mason]

i mean. does GW even really care about the lore that much? they sure do seem to be very lose with it

[arctic talon]

They do to an extent

[ashen shoal]

They definitely do, Fatshark talked about before how it was an uphill fight to try to get a flail onto warrior priest in VT2 because GW thinks they should only have hammers

[arctic talon]

they have big overarching things that the try to keep intact

[kind parrot]

they care about $$$$$

[ashen shoal]

stuff like that is likely the same reason why we're never going to get the power sword onto the zealot, zealot can only have chain weapons

[kind parrot]

what do you how much is to licence the topic SM or Guard from them?

[arctic talon]

Also yeah money matters, if they need to break a few eggs to turn a huge profit they'll do it

I.E Gathering storm

[kind parrot]

why is it that you are only seeing nurgle factions in vermintide?

and they started to mention Khorn and the others 5 years latter

they made profit not with these games

[normal stream]

Are we onto the next dead horse topic of "bash GW"?

[arctic talon]

yes

GW bad give uparrow

[kind parrot]

Total War

[arctic talon]

Total war is explicitly non canon

[kind parrot]

what they did with the fan videos is abnormal

[normal stream]

Sooo

Lore

[arctic talon]

GW never sent out any Cease and desists

regarding the fan video thing

[rustic spruce]

what led to the black templars becoming such angry lads

[arctic talon]

They represent Dorns rage

[ashen shoal]

They hired the Astartes guy, have they done any first party animations since then?

[arctic talon]

Yeah they have, the Kill team animation

[ashen shoal]

well that's something at least

[arctic talon]

and its also really good

[arctic talon]

also the 9th edition trailer if we really wana count that, but I'm pretty sure that one was contracted out

[kind parrot]

"Is Black Library fiction canon background material?
The BL editors work with the GW studios to keep the fiction the way that it should (very hard might I add! - RK), though due to the sheer volume of detail involved there can be the odd discrepancy here and there. If you want to consider anything "canonical" then both BL fiction - be it novel, graphic novel, art or background book - and GW fiction - be it White Dwarf, Codex, Army book or rulebook - are such.

Keep in mind Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 are worlds where half truths, lies, propaganda, politics, legends and myths exist. The absolute truth which is implied when you talk about "canonical background" will never be known because of this. Everything we know about these worlds is from the viewpoints of people in them which are as a result incomplete and even sometimes incorrect. The truth is mutable, debatable and lost as the victors write the history ..."
Source: Black Library:FAQ (saved archive page, dated 19 May 2008, last accessed 15 April 2020)

[kind parrot]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warhammer_40k_-_Lexicanum:Accepted_sources

[kind parrot]

maybe not CEO but someone who was spokeman for them

[kind parrot]

becuase some people stop making them

[arctic talon]

sodaz literally got bullied by the 40k community

I don't see your point

Thats the reason why they stopped making 40k stuff

and if you bring up TTS, TTS was protected under parody law and would have been fine

[kind parrot]

well TTS stoped their videos

well actually who want's to go to curt and waste money 🙂

[arctic talon]

They stopped because they didn't want to do it anymore + as protest

not because of any legal trouble

Alfabusa literally explicitly says thats the reason

They also said in their recent video they would Continue TTS when they feel like doing it again

Also furthermore, some of the voice actors for TTS don't even want to do TTS anymore due to the fact that they're burnt out voicing their character I.E Russ, its clear the team was suffering from creative burnout

[kind parrot]

they did not want to risk legal battle

that can also be heard sure they maybe wanted to something else

but they took down the last church animation right?

[arctic talon]

no?

Its still up as far as I can tell

[kind parrot]

Kill Team Hungary has a who is pirate on youtube who uploads it when it's pulled down

[plush mason]

no they said they will restart it only if GW makes a real fan outreach/content creator program and only if that program does just stop randomly

and that rn is a hard as if

[arctic talon]

ah, I forgot lol

[plush mason]

yeah they stopped TTS to avoid any possible legal trouble with GW

[kind parrot]

the sad part is that the Astartes what we have seen as the best animation in it's category becuase the animator is now working or worked for GW

but he cannot continue the story / stories without GW conset

[arctic talon]

did they mention that in the original video?

[plush mason]

yes

[arctic talon]

my b then

I should prolly stop multitasking I'll be back in a bit

[plush mason]

k

[arctic talon]

if we're still discussing this

[kind parrot]

is the warhammer + animation worth it comparing to Astartes?

[arctic talon]

no lol bcs warhammer + sucks ass

the one good thing about warhammer + is the white dwarf archive

[atomic pelican]

There are some good animations

Find them for free

[kind parrot]

so, the point is that GW saw an popular market that can be monitored and regulated the shit out of it

[rustic spruce]

hammer and bolter has an animation budget of like 5$

[plush mason]

that is literally all anyone has ever said about the WH+ animations lol @atomic pelican

[atomic pelican]

LMAO

[celest dome]

There are some that are good. But I wouldn't pay to see them. If they were on Netflix or something maybe

[atomic pelican]

Its because their quality ranges from good to absolute ass and theyre only like 15 mins long

It is not worth the sub

[kind parrot]

Warhammer + is the new netflix just we did not connect the dots yet

[atomic pelican]

Warhammer+ is literally almost exactly the same price as netflix

Which is just insane

[rustic spruce]

Warhammer + will be playing episodes of friends before we know it

[plush mason]

LOL

[celest dome]

Same price but for way less stuff

[atomic pelican]

Yeah

[kind parrot]

Just like their books 😄 some is good some is bad

[celest dome]

And Warhammer+ has another bad effect

[atomic pelican]

Yeah but you get to pick and dont have to subscribe to Books Monthly and pay for all the garbage

[kind parrot]

yeah but the funny part about is that for extra dime you will get in in 8k 😄

[celest dome]

It doesn't make new fans

[kind parrot]

it kills it

just like the nurgle's corruption in GW ranks call in the death watch

[celest dome]

If they made a Netflix animated like Castlevania or that Lol thing it would be great

[kind parrot]

I was also like wow they are going to spend some money and make some good content but ...

it's not the case they are just milking the franchise what they did 5 to 10 years ago

to me the mini prices are so damn high

[arctic talon]

Honestly the mini prices are so damn high but they're high for a reason unfortunately

They're prolly some of the easiest minis to put together and most detailed

[atomic pelican]

IMO mini prices are high but fine for the time-entertainment value. The problem is everything around them

Codexs shouldnt be $55

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[atomic pelican]

Or should have like $10 digital releases

[kind parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-cash-get-cash-making-money-make-money-make-that-money-gif-20008860

[atomic pelican]

Or keep the $55 tag but the digital codes that come with them update for the edition

So if I buy a 9e GSC book and have the code, I also get the 10e one when it releases

[arctic talon]

Codexs should just be free in digital format imo

[atomic pelican]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Age of sigmar does it ffs

[atomic pelican]

Nah

[crisp heath]

Only about 130% true by my estimation

[atomic pelican]

You can get the old tomes but not the new

Or see only partial books

[arctic talon]

Ah

my bad

[atomic pelican]

Its oki

[crisp heath]

you play GSC too? :O

[atomic pelican]

AoS is full of "Oh yeah the rulws are free I promise!"

Then the 'free rules' are just the core and ur army stripped of all army abils

And yes

[crisp heath]

I got the codex and havent used the code yet

Keller morph is in my top 5 favorite models

I still need a kelermorph

[atomic pelican]

Honestly ontop of this, the official 40k app is actual garbage

[crisp heath]

kelermoprh is auto include in 40k and Kill Team

[atomic pelican]

Battlescribe is still more accurate somehow

[crisp heath]

BattleScribe #1

[arctic talon]

Battlescribe is dogshit for rules but somehow the offical 40k app is more dogshit

[atomic pelican]

Good part abt GSC is that our codex has had literally 0 changes since release so the book itself is still valid(also a curse but)

[crisp heath]

I'm lucky I got my GSC codex for $40 because my store bought too many

[arctic talon]

the GSC expierence

[crisp heath]

I have the GSC half from the GSC vs Custodes box, so I plan on getting the combat patrol to expand

trying to make at least 500-1000 points

and make a kill team

[atomic pelican]

Be lowtier army, win anyway because 0.01% playrate and no one knows what you do. That was my experience playing 8e GSC last year when I started

[arctic talon]

ngl GSC is like one of the most expensive armies to collect

[atomic pelican]

They are

[woeful viper]

The GSC needs more technicals, i want 40k pick up trucks with AA guns mounted to them

[atomic pelican]

Its because of Acolyte Hybrids and Metamorphs

They are $50 for 5 and you easily run 30 of them

[dusk knot]

I have some gsc

[crisp heath]

next to Horus Heresy White Scars, GSC is near the most expensive, Astra Militarum and Green Tide Orks beat they by a small margin

I remember back in 8E when they were super duper broken before they got decimated by the nerf hammer

Astra Militarum with spamming troops is insane, you have like 300+ models to paint

conscripts

[atomic pelican]

Guard can be cheaper if you buiod heavy armor

Which is typically better anyway

[crisp heath]

it's kinda better

[atomic pelican]

GSC basically have to run 60+ inf unless ur an insane sigma

[arctic talon]

Conscripts aren't a thing anymore thank fucking god for new players ol

[plush mason]

wait. a fan app has better and more accurate info on the TT, than the app made by GW themselves? how

[crisp heath]

right now mass Constript lists have been taking tournaments

[arctic talon]

the GW app has a lot of errors when rules update firsts release

[atomic pelican]

Gone are 30 conscript blobs instakilling GUOS(bullshit)

[crisp heath]

lmao

[crisp heath]

Mfw I have to roll dice just to see if they’ll follow an order

that's good they're gone now

[arctic talon]

I fucking hated conscripts as an army to play against

literally the most boring playstyle ever

[atomic pelican]

I had my sanctus oneshot a guard hq with a conscript blob and the guy rq'd

[crisp heath]

I still think green tide orks are more expensive

[arctic talon]

and Guard players have the fucking gall to say Tau is sannoying

[atomic pelican]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

While spamming 300 conscripts

[crisp heath]

and Horus Heresy White Scars are insanely expensive

with jetbikes being like $90 for 3 bikes

and needin 30

[atomic pelican]

Guard players tend to play how they accuse tau of playing. But worse because their shooting phases take 3 hrs

[arctic talon]

tbf thats just forgeworld prices

[crisp heath]

Something something can’t kill us all/take any obj something something

yeah

forge world makes everything more expensive

but GSC is quite expensive, depending on your list

me, it's not expensive, because 25% of my list is brood brothers

and that 25% is a 470 point baneblade

because why the hell not

[arctic talon]

lmfao

[crisp heath]

it's a mutha fuqin baneblade, I'm running it in GSC

[arctic talon]

the genius GSC collector

[atomic pelican]

Oh yes

The powerful BB

Im getting a Dorn for mine

[crisp heath]

god I cant wait for full guard codex release

just so I can steal their big tanks

and reduce the cost of my army

[atomic pelican]

Brood Brothers are broken RAW on release but GW acknowledged us so should be fixed soon

Also I dont think anyone would care since Bb are mostly a meme

[crisp heath]

what's wrong with brood brothers?

[arctic talon]

tbf you can prolly just play them with existing rules and I don't think people would complain

[atomic pelican]

Yeah exactly

[arctic talon]

regiment keyword is getting completely reworked lol

[crisp heath]

ooooh

yeah they need to fix that

[atomic pelican]

GSC codex calls for BB to have REGIMENT, which doesnt exist anymore.

[arctic talon]

So its fucky with brood brothers since it replaces the regiment keyword

[atomic pelican]

Also the REGIMENTAL keyword is on alot more now

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[atomic pelican]

So the question is can we bring Kaskrins and such

And rough riders

I hope so because guard players get assmad that I run their units but in a cooler army

[arctic talon]

M a y b e

[crisp heath]

alright, as long as it's fixed I'm still using my baneblade

[atomic pelican]

Probably

I think the only concerns are around units that are 'special'

So Kaskrins

I also hoped we'd get Scions because thatd be funny

But unlikely

Also Valkyries because my crusade cult abducted a scion team

[crisp heath]

I wanna get the "cadia stands" box just to make brood brothers

having a small regiment of brood brothers, then my baneblade because gotta support that amazing scout vehicle

[atomic pelican]

The funniest outcome would be them giving BB a regimental trait that lets them Crossfire

[crisp heath]

remember, baneblades are scout vehicles

[plush mason]

lol

[crisp heath]

that would be amazing but too much to wish for sadly

if they do give a BB crossfire

I would immediately slap that in every list

auto include

[atomic pelican]

Guard units would be stronger in BB than in guard LMAO

[plush mason]

BB?

[atomic pelican]

Brood Brothers

GSC have a army rule that lets them take 25% of their army as Guard

[crisp heath]

BB can be both baneblade or brood brothers

[atomic pelican]

Oh yeah tru

[plush mason]

lol

[crisp heath]

the new cadia stands guard models will make some good brood brothers, even though they'll be a little taller than neophytes

I can make some without helmets too to show they are brood brothers

and give the helmeted ones the upgrade sprue pieces with the GSC icons

[rustic spruce]

what happened to constantin valdor

[winter vessel]

So…was there a story where the Admech had an encounter with an STC that was so powerful that it froze/armor locked the Astartes that escort them? And that it somehow possessed the servitors to speak through their mouths?

[uneven temple]

No, that was the AI of the ship Death of Integrity

[storm jungle]

Yeah it shortly left afterwards

basically going "Fuck you all and your galaxy" before leaving the milky way

[storm jungle]

He just disappeared.

[plush mason]

found the 73 on the prison ship

[hushed kayak]

@quaint sparrow i believe this is what you’re looking for

[plush mason]

ye but the SS is a lot darker than it was on my screen for some reason

[quaint sparrow]

oh yeah

lookit that

cool

[woeful bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/ookami-mio-mio-hololive-vtuber-sway-gif-16216275

heretically cool

[celest dome]

Heresy is in the season

[solemn trail]

What are the iron collars that Psykers start out with, and seem to continue incorporating throughout all of their other outfits? Their prison fatigues are the only ones to have this.

[rustic spruce]

will an ork ever achieve enough dakka

[solemn trail]

Word is, Warlord Ghazghull Thraka is looking to strap a 5th Shoota to his Mega Armour suit, so no.

[hoary oriole]

Preachers are members of the Echlisarchy right?

[stark frigate]

Screenshot was poorly timed, but this security camera showed multiple areas like Hab blocks

And, a place called the "hourglass district"

maybe the final zone they havent revealed yet? idk

it said
"Hourglass district"
"Under attack"

Looked like the upper spire too

(top right one)

[elder glacier]

anyone get a voice line other than me between sgt morrow and the veteran talking about how they heard rumors of a "second hive city" out in the wastes and morrow quickly shuts the question down and says "you shouldn't be asking those questions."

[stark frigate]

Not heard that yet

[elder glacier]

as if morrow knows something

[stark frigate]

But it could be a failed hive city theyd rather forget about/hide

marrows over 170 years old thanks to warp shenanigans, so

[elder glacier]

hmmm i wonder if it'll be a playable location

[stark frigate]

"Hourglass district" in the upper spire definitely seems possible

Fancy hallways etc

Maybe a noble called upon a daemon of Nurgle

its not uncommon

[elder glacier]

kool, i hope we get some development regarding this "second hive"

[stark frigate]

I dont think we will

[elder glacier]

fuck

it's just so intriguing

i want to know more

[stark frigate]

feels/seems like they've been sprinkling in tidbits of lore which either go nowhere, or arent important

just to flesh out the worldbuilding

[stark frigate]

itll drive me mad too when i hear it, dw

[elder glacier]

lol

[bold oar]

Am I right in thinking that the idea of 40k is somewhat that it's so ridiculously big that you can have these huge wars spanning planets, but that ultimately have no significant impact on the 'universe'?

[stark frigate]

yes and no

Some do

some dont

its a mixed bag, so mostly 50/50

There were actual IRL events held with tabletop battles to decide fates of planets and narrative in 40k

like Armagheddon and Cadia exploding

The original 13th black crusade on Cadia in the mid 2000s, was a Chaos win, cadia didnt explode and people thought it was rigged because of some people breaking rules, bad overseers etc

iirc

Then they overhauled it all around 2017 and had cadia explode

among other things

40k was frozen in 41.999M for YEARS irl

It only recently in the last 5 went past that and its 42.111M currently in-lore

Because there's so many years, sometimes stories and battles get slotted into convenient empty gaps or these years which are like " 41.865.56 " and i have no idea what the last 2 digits mean

It really depends what battle it is, for it to have an impact

but some do have actual impacts

[crisp heath]

Why did they make lohner a medicae wrong answers only

[stark frigate]

who

[normal stream]

I was mad for years

The official results unambiguously had chaos win

I think GW just had no idea what to do with a chaos win

[stark frigate]

But lots of the games felt/looked rigged and quite a few of them were messes

[stark frigate]

Which is exemplified by how they did nothing with that narrative for years until they shat Primaris out their arses

and they had no idea what to do with that other than phase out regular firstborn marines because "hey look, buy the shiny new models haha"

[normal stream]

Power creep imo

Power armored marines were no longer special, tough, or cool

[stark frigate]

And are now trying to say "oh dw guys haha, firstborn arent going away, look, we're making HH models!!!"

People were saying Firstborn wouldnt get phased out, in 2017

now look at them

fools

blind fools

[normal stream]

It used to be power armor was the most powerful, common armor you could get. Now you've other duders running around with 3+ saves. So then marines needed 2w, and then a -1 to AP via armor of contempt

[stark frigate]

They should've made primaris marines an armor varient, not their convoluted BS lore and explanation

Just make the armor tougher and Mk X

done

[normal stream]

Crisis suit spam with AP3 weapons essentially became a more elite common army than marines

[stark frigate]

noone would've complained if it was just an armor mark

not a replacement

idiots

[normal stream]

Ya agreed

[stark frigate]

i will be angry at GW until the day i die

Also because Primaris are incredibly boring and firstborn marines are barely advertised to such a degree anymore, ive met new 40k players who thought a 2015/16 firstborn marine as a roguetrader marine

Or ones who didnt know what a firstborn was

Didnt know that certain models were firstborn etc etc

The argument of primaris being taller isnt even accurate anymore

New firstborn models are like, 2mm shorter

maybe even 1

[hollow lantern]

I'm waiting till there isn't a distinction anymore and they're all just marines like that BT Castellan model or whatever he's called

[stark frigate]

And i will also die on the hill that Primaris are incredibly boring, inlore and in model form, at least the Black templar ones had something going on

[stark frigate]

i may quit playing marines permanently if that happens

[hollow lantern]

As long as I have my Proteus KTs I'm happy

[stark frigate]

If GW wants to throw away their legacy of space marines, they can go ahead

They also tried backpedalling by making primaris shit In-lore

They dont live as long and their Dreadnoughts use them like batteries, Redemptor dreadnoughts cannot become ancients unless theyre very very lucky

Sorry I'm just very passionate about 40k and the way GW handled marines in the last few years is really upsetting

[atomic pelican]

Tbf I dont think marines really ARE that elite when other factions in the game are like, Custodes/Harlequins/knights

[stark frigate]

"20something yells about lore for little plastic soldiers"

[atomic pelican]

Theyre a fairly middle army that can do a little of everything based on chapter

Which makes them a good noobie faction

[short steeple]

My exact issue with Custodes, grey knights, deathwatch

[atomic pelican]

+being ez to paint

[arctic talon]

Marines are like the mid tier somewhat elite but not that elite faction

[atomic pelican]

Yee

[short steeple]

We allready have Tempestus as space marines

Then we have space marine marines

[normal stream]

Exactly. Power and special snowflake creep happened. So primaris happened in response.

[stark frigate]

Remember that some humans will literally never see a space marine in their entire life

[short steeple]

Then we have these golden space marine marines in space

[stark frigate]

and some dont think theyre real

[short steeple]

Unnecessary

[atomic pelican]

Talking abt tabletop

[arctic talon]

Tbf 7th sucked ass lol

Grav spam out the ass

[stark frigate]

Custodes are the elite of the elites elite of the elite

[arctic talon]

For marine armies

[stark frigate]

hardly a fair comparison

[stark frigate]

🤢

Grav marines

[short steeple]

Yes and it's stupid

[stark frigate]

id rather eat dirt

then play with grav primaris

[short steeple]

We allready have the elite of the elite

[normal stream]

Remember when Custodes never left Terra? Good times.

[short steeple]

They are called space marines

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about 7th edition

As in gravity weapons

[stark frigate]

Remember when GW adhered to lore instead of trying to make a quick £

[arctic talon]

Aka what people spammed because they were ap3 do marine mirrors were based on who could spam more fucking grav weapons

[arctic talon]

So never?

[stark frigate]

I remember that

[stark frigate]

From 1995 to 2015...

Not anymore though

[arctic talon]

7th edition sucked ass due to poor balancing all around, weird LoS stuff, centurion spam, hotshot spam,

[hollow lantern]

Ally matrix

[arctic talon]

Also the fact that they released a codex that literally didn’t function for a bit

[stark frigate]

Oh yeah, my Cadian box is apparently on its way now

[arctic talon]

Whenever they added new shit they had to mess with the lore tbf

And they most certainly did “break” lore at times

The primaris are just pretty blatant

[arctic talon]

I mean the black Templar primaris are the first faction exclusive primaris range and they look good imo

[stark frigate]

usually up till after 2015, it was just touchups to lore or compliments, not straight up retcons/ruininglore/adjustinglore

[arctic talon]

The plasma lemen Russ and centurion both broke existing lore

But it’s w/e

[stark frigate]

The 40k universe can get some new equipment, as a treat

just not when its shit like primaris

if its a pre-existing tank getting a new turret, thats easily explainable

[arctic talon]

Primaris at least are fine from a lore perspective now

[stark frigate]

barely

[arctic talon]

Also they don’t live shorter

Unless we count redemptors

[stark frigate]

Their introduction is still horse shit

[arctic talon]

The lore surrounding said introduction is at least good now

[stark frigate]

still garbage to me

ill die on this hill, sorry man

[arctic talon]

Considering the fact it used data from the raptor project, and the selenar gene cults

[arctic talon]

That’s fine

[stark frigate]

ill only be happy when they're removed permanently (which is never)

[arctic talon]

But imo the primaris as a model range are fine if it continues in the same direction

[stark frigate]

Ill have to slowly scream in agony as Firstborn are phased out and relegated to HH only

🙂

[arctic talon]

As the black Templar stuff

Tbh at this point they’re prolly gona drop the primaris keyword lol

[stark frigate]

[arctic talon]

How’s that a bad thing

It lets you run mixed armies better

[stark frigate]

You'll have to physically kill me with a blunt weapon, before im ok with Firstborn being phased out and completely replaced by primaris, so much, that their keyword is removed, aka becoming the default marine

[arctic talon]

Firstborn aren’t being phased out tho?

[stark frigate]

They are

[arctic talon]

Black Templar castellan isn’t a primaris unit

[stark frigate]

Loads of firstborn kits are no longer being made

[stark frigate]

he is

He's by rules a primaris

[arctic talon]

He’s a normal lieutenant

Not a primaris one rules wise

You can run him as a primaris one if you want but no where does it mention it’s a primaris

[stark frigate]

It still phased out firstborn by having a parimaris option, which GW made better by a few stats

all new models are primaris and phase out pre-existing firstborn

crusaders for example

[arctic talon]

Except firstborn sword bretheran are still better then primaris

[stark frigate]

Theyre going to be giving assault primaris jetpacks, which will phase out assault marines

[arctic talon]

And also vanguard veterans are still the premier melee unit in marines

Most good lists run a mix of firstborn and primaris

[stark frigate]

Assault marines will be phased out by primaris, they will make something to phase out vanguard vets

[stark frigate]

90% of lists i see is all primaris

[arctic talon]

Yeah because they’re bad lol

All primaris lists are fucking terrible

[stark frigate]

Firstborn are no longer printed

they've been phased out

Doesnt matter if their rules are better, theyre no longer made

[arctic talon]

The sword breathern were made from the old black Templar upgrade sprue

They never had their own mini, you used a tactical squad + appropriate bits from the upgrade sprue

[stark frigate]

When the assault intercessors get jetpacks, theyll stop producing assault marines

[stark frigate]

The upgrade sprue which was phased out and is no longer produced, you mean

[crisp heath]

Post great rift is chaos more common knowledge?

[stark frigate]

kind of

[arctic talon]

Nvm they don’t sell it anymore my bad

They still sell the firstborn upgrade sprue for space wolves so ??? That’s on me

[stark frigate]

Theres no space wolf primaris yet

theyll phase it out

because money

[arctic talon]

I mean technically there’s the hounds of morkai

[stark frigate]

fuck lore

[stark frigate]

i mean specific models

like the BT ones

[arctic talon]

I highly doubt GW is ever gona fully drop firstborn personally

Makes no sense as long as they sell

[stark frigate]

Because of the backlash, theyre doing it very slowly

[arctic talon]

Wouldn’t even say backlash

[stark frigate]

theres almost 0 firstborn promotional material anymore, besides HH

[arctic talon]

They’ve kept the kits that sell super well

[stark frigate]

Firstborn are relegated to Horus heresy now

they have not made a new firstborn for 40k in years

[arctic talon]

I don’t care enough to discuss primaris doom posting but I get why you’re concerned

[stark frigate]

because there's no Primaris version yet

[arctic talon]

But I highly doubt GW is gona ever kill firstborn

[stark frigate]

They will, it'll take a while though

[arctic talon]

Doubt it

[stark frigate]

I'll probably be 30 by then, but they will

[arctic talon]

We’ll see 10 or 20 years down the line lol

[stark frigate]

or 5

[arctic talon]

Eh GW seems to be refocusing on non marine stuff more now

9th only had bladeguard, assault intercessors, outriders and eradicators

[stark frigate]

I just want firstborn models back which arent boring blank slate primaris

a crumb

a crumb of actually nice models..

[arctic talon]

Okay don’t you dare slander bladeguard like that

[stark frigate]

Bladeguard are nice but still blank slates for the most part

[arctic talon]

Eh disagree personally

[stark frigate]

Im a blood angel player

Primaris are disgustingly blank

I want to be drowning in details and iconography

[arctic talon]

Death company intercessors

[stark frigate]

Literal garbage

[arctic talon]

Worst unit ever lul

[stark frigate]

useless on tabletop

noone takes them other then gaslit 15 year olds in a GW store

[arctic talon]

So nothing like marines in artwork normally?

They’re pretty plain in art

[stark frigate]

Artwork is lies

[stark frigate]

not at all

This primaris blood angel looks great, but it doesnt exist

[arctic talon]

The assault intercessor with the yellow helmet is pretty plain

[stark frigate]

Parchments, iconography on their arm

[arctic talon]

There’s always a few marines with a lot of detail but the rest are plain as hell normally

[stark frigate]

its boring

[crisp heath]

unless the blood of baal rumors are true

with new tyranid models and space marine primaris terminators

[stark frigate]

Primaris terminators will never exist

not even GW would do that

Take your grav heavy weapon primaris and shut up

[arctic talon]

We’re prolly just gona get new terminators lol

[crisp heath]

they're rumors after all

[stark frigate]

Terminators are FAR too iconic

[crisp heath]

for 10th edition

[stark frigate]

Even GW wouldnt do that

[arctic talon]

Current terminators ima be real with you

[crisp heath]

primaris terminators would be cool though

[arctic talon]

Look like shit compared to the chaos ones

[stark frigate]

And 10th ed isnt till like 2025

[stark frigate]

no, they wouldnt

They dont deserve it

[arctic talon]

Chaos terminators are objectively a better kit

[stark frigate]

and grav already looks like the inbetween of primaris and terminator

People just want new shiny things

[crisp heath]

it would imo, but okay

[stark frigate]

Did you grow up with firstborn

[crisp heath]

first born units will be gone in about 4-5 more years

[stark frigate]

Blood angel and dark angel terminators

[crisp heath]

and primaris will be the only stuff in

[stark frigate]

and i will fire bomb GW

[arctic talon]

Still inferior by a bit imo

[stark frigate]

[crisp heath]

it's gonna happen though

it's inevitable

[arctic talon]

The chaos terminator kit is one of the best kits GW has made

[stark frigate]

I know, which is why im depressed

People are blind to it now, just like in 2017 when they said Primaris wouldnt phase them out

[atomic pelican]

Yes god, I love them. The mounting spikes

❤️

[stark frigate]

Also elite look at this

I know which one i'd rather buy

Oh wait, its not printed anymore

[arctic talon]

I still own one of the old blood angel tactical kits in a box

I should prolly get around to building them 💀

[stark frigate]

Even primaris enjoyers hate the blood angel primaris upgrade kit

its the worst one

[crisp heath]

I like white scars... so I'm still winnin

[stark frigate]

Sell them for triple the original cost

[crisp heath]

the white scars upgrade sprue is really good

especially the scimitar chainswords

[stark frigate]

The blood angel one is AWFUL

Its so BAD

[crisp heath]

I love being a white scars player, no one remembers we exist

OOF it's one of those upgrades, with not enough options

that's a rip

[short steeple]

I love playing dark angels

Just enough people care about us

[crisp heath]

makes me happier I play white scars

[stark frigate]

0 iconography or style gun and chainsword, boring heads with lore inaccurate hairstyles

Why are the pauldrons plain except the sergeant ones

GW forgot Blood angel lore

Every single one should've had a purity seal or two

[crisp heath]

this is the white scars one

really good looking

[stark frigate]

Modern chapters are just ultramarine primaris painted a different colour and it makes me genuinely upset

I have 1 intercessor squad and infiltrator squad, a few primaris HQs and outriders

thats about it

i mixed the Black templar primaris bits with regular intercessors to make them look vaguely blood angely

because i care more than GW apparently

[crisp heath]

me just want outriders to be able to run more in a unit lol

so I can run 3x6 outriders in my lists

I'm a simple white scars fan

[stark frigate]

If they make dante a primaris marine, i might just jump off this mortal coil

🧍‍♂️

[stark frigate]

White scars and raven guard got it good

they barely had any specialty units to lose in the first place

[arctic talon]

You mean 0

[crisp heath]

yeah, we literally only had kor'sarro khan

that's it

[stark frigate]

1 or 2 characters

[crisp heath]

and we got him

[stark frigate]

not 0

[crisp heath]

we only had 1

[stark frigate]

both chapters had 1 unique character model

[arctic talon]

It’s 1 for every chapter but Ultras and the chapters that had its own codex

[stark frigate]

so primaris coming along wasnt a big deal

for blood angel players though..

Fucking hell

[arctic talon]

Except it got replaced with a really good one

[crisp heath]

white scars dont have more than 1 character

[stark frigate]

i didnt say they did

[crisp heath]

I know

[stark frigate]

i said white scars had 1 and ravenguard had 1

[crisp heath]

I was just saying

I want jetbikes though

but I have to be in 30k for that

[stark frigate]

Blood angels are cooler anyway so we got more characters

[crisp heath]

eh, that's your preference

I serve the great Khan

I am speed

[stark frigate]

But it seems like the current head and design team in GW dont like Blood angels anymore, we've been in the shitter since 2016

Its why i started collecting other armies

GW just doesnt care about us anymore

Red Scorpions, my second ever army, got dropped too

Forgeworld literally only sells 1 of their models anymore and its the leviathan

they used to have a whole range

i've branched out to Sisters of battle, Krieg, World eaters and now Cadians

I want modern Tallarn models too though, love those lads

[arctic talon]

Elysian players who had their entire model range discontinued 💀

[stark frigate]

Tallarn and Red Scorpions too

[crisp heath]

I just play White Scars, Tsons, Daemons Tzeentch, Tyranids, and Genestealer Cults/Brood Brothers

I love my nids though

[stark frigate]

Red Scorpions had like 5 characters, Vanguard vets, assault marines, tactical marines, upgrade sprues, vehicle accessories and more

its all gone now

[arctic talon]

Mfw dkok grenadiers aren’t sold anymore bcs the fucking mold broke

[stark frigate]

all thats left is Carab culln

I bought him just so i can have him before he's discontinued too

[stark frigate]

That happened to the blood angel tacs i think

[crisp heath]

I might sell my tsons and daemons of tzeentch though

[stark frigate]

thats the leading theory anyway

[crisp heath]

I just dont play them anymore

[stark frigate]

i need me some grenadiers

I have all the other OOP krieg models

[arctic talon]

Ngl would make sense

Those molds are super fucking expensive

[stark frigate]

It was a weird thing to drop, They'd still be sold even with Primaris rn

must have broken the mold

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah did you hear what happened to the non easy build plague burst crawler

[stark frigate]

mold broke?

[arctic talon]

The mold shattered after the first round

[stark frigate]

epic

Quality UK materials

[arctic talon]

Which is one of the most tragic things ever lol

[stark frigate]

Another win for the UK

I bet it was because GW was cutting corners again

Like always

[arctic talon]

Pretty tragic that molds just fuckin break apart like that sometimes

[stark frigate]

You know those Spacemarine heroes boxes? the gatcha/blindbox boxes

[arctic talon]

Yeah but the other Dg molds haven’t broken yet

[crisp heath]

lol, I'm still waiting for genestealers, termigants, hormagaunts and gargoyles without mold lines

[arctic talon]

Oh my god those mold lines are so fucking bad

[crisp heath]

especially genestealers

their mold lines are horrendous

[arctic talon]

I started a gsc army

[stark frigate]

They first introduced the blindboxes in japan with 11 models

Then globally after several months with 9 units

then they've brought it back recently...

with 5

[crisp heath]

have fun scraping

[arctic talon]

💀

[stark frigate]

GW is too lazy to make another series of Spacemarine heroes boxes, so they brought back series 1 and is planning to sell them in 2 waves as a part 1 and part 2

its incredible how this company functions sometimes

[crisp heath]

I play GSC in kill team, and only in 40k with 1k because 2k is too expensive

unless my 2k list uses my signature patented baneblade

[arctic talon]

Regarding armies I play, I play CSM, admech, blood angels, and i have a dark eldar kill team

[stark frigate]

If you think those mold lines are bad, feel for me for a second when i have to get old Krieg models

[arctic talon]

Resin mold lines 💀

[stark frigate]

I got a krieg standard bearer with unfinished resin, flash, mold lines, missing pieces, bubbles

[arctic talon]

The only thing worse then plastic mold lines

[arctic talon]

The resin special

[stark frigate]

it was so bad i scrapped the guy and just kept his banner for a deathrider

[crisp heath]

I dont understand this, and they're first born too

[arctic talon]

Did you not contact FW for a refund

[stark frigate]

Resin doesnt do that anymore after like 2016

[stark frigate]

ebay

[crisp heath]

why not make custom blood angel primaris models

[stark frigate]

[stark frigate]

I did

[crisp heath]

if they were gonna make space marine heroes

no I meant GW

[stark frigate]

But im not a Greenstuff wizard with no social life

[arctic talon]

50 cents say they fucking knew how fucked up the banner man was

[crisp heath]

I wanna see primaris Tycho with the combi melta

[arctic talon]

And they sold it anyways lol

[stark frigate]

so i mixed BT primaris with intercessors and upgrade sprues (the firstborn ones, the good ones)