40k-lore-chat

[mossy mortar]

Usually it's more blatant though

[hearty bluff]

I'd love to see the Ogryns and Ork Boyz crumping each other

[mossy mortar]

40k chafracters are so wild and vaguely sketched that it's hard to pin them down

since usually the charactergs get like a paragraph and a special model, not a novel series

[winter vessel]

Did big E speak to Alicia Dominica when she was brought before his presence?

[mossy mortar]

The statline is what bring them down to earth, not the storyline

[rich sail]

the emperor spoke to guilliman when he came back

[dusk patrol]

He also apparently spoke to Hector Rex

[mossy mortar]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Well we technically don’t know

[mossy mortar]

Honestly the lore event i hate the most is Guilliman coming back

literally the worst

[dusk patrol]

I love it tbh

[rich sail]

yee shouldve brought back dorn instead feelsbadman

[mossy mortar]

The primarchsnare supposed to exist as dimly remembered legends

[hearty bluff]

Offer the glove of pain and he'd be there in a flash

[mossy mortar]

It shrinks 10k years in a bad way

[hearty bluff]

Imagine if they just said screw it. Big e is coming back.

It would ruin it.

[mossy mortar]

Makes rhe whole universe feel smaller not bigger

[minor lance]

To be fair, it involved some amazing lore beats, imo

[rich sail]

well i think u still need a counterbalance since most traitor primarchs are alive and well but all loyalists are MIA

[hearty bluff]

^

[minor lance]

I think there's gonna be a soft shakeup in 40K soon. We're having actual story progress. Primarchs coming back, new factions showing their heads, etc.

[plush mason]

at least it wasnt just some instant messiah savior bullshit like it could have easily been

[sly rain]

This is heresy take this man a way speaking bad about the emperor

[minor lance]

And the throne dying in 100 years

[winter vessel]

He’Stan is like what, halfway there collecting the Artifacts to bring Vulkan back? All the while Indiana Trazyn wants to steal the spear. ForgeFather’s got his hands full at the moment.

[minor lance]

That belongs in my museum.

[hearty bluff]

Wouldn't mind seeing Ferrus Manus kicking the snot out of lorgar

[dusk patrol]

I just think Guilliman returning was done really well and had a lot of interesting stories attached

Guilliman as a character is very well written too

[noble hinge]

Give me a quick lore of the game and the planet

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough guilliman has barely done anything to the imperium as a whole

[minor lance]

Guilliman coming back: A bit cheap.
The way it was done: Pretty good, and offset the cheapness.

[plush mason]

ye which im glad for

[rich sail]

how did the inquisition and ministorum take it that guilliman came back wouldnt they be not so happy about a literal primarch coming back and being able to challange their authority or even make changes

[rustic spruce]

GW go retrieve khan from the webway already

[arctic talon]

Depends on the person within the organization

[minor lance]

There was actually a rebellion! They didn't last very long.

[dusk patrol]

Also like, the setting wasn’t some nirvana of writing before he came back

Shit started finally happening when he did

[light parrot]

So the Emperor is sentient on his throne? I thought he was just a corpse acting as some kind of psychic lighthouse?

[dusk patrol]

He’s fragmented

[tulip sand]

Well hes some kind of warp entity so he got buffed by the big storm

[light parrot]

so he's a chaos god?

[rustic spruce]

after the rift opened after cadia there were reports of Big E moving again

[winter vessel]

Darktide: Chaos cultists and a traitor regiment of Guardsmen aligned with Papa Nurgle take over Hive City. You, an expendable reject, get sent down to cleanse the heresy. Indentured service to the Inquisition

[arctic talon]

No

[minor lance]

He's a god, not a chaos god, but... Well there';s some overlap

[tulip sand]

He has a presence in the warp

[mossy mortar]

Actually there's been very little lore about Atoma Prime in general

[minor lance]

Right now he's a shackled god, is the general belief of some cults in the imperium

[mossy mortar]

We know it's a major planet in the Moebian uhh system?

[hearty bluff]

Oh my god I'm a dumb ass, I completely forgot that ferrus got decapitated

[rich sail]

saint celestine greater demon of the emperor hehe

[minor lance]

It makes good steel. The best in the sector!

[mossy mortar]

Most people don't know chaos gods are a thing

[tulip sand]

Morbian system

[hearty bluff]

I wanna talk about the sister who was slannesh corrupted

[plush mason]

no the chaos gods are just some of the many many types of warp entities in fact iirc chaos itself is just one part of the warp as a whole

[tulip sand]

You mean in lore?

[mossy mortar]

Yes

The Inquisition makes sure of that

[light parrot]

So what "big storm" or "rift" occured, i know cadia was like super helm's deep and got wrecked? Is this all related to that?

[mossy mortar]

Only some psykers, inquisitors, and probably space marinces?

[minor lance]

I meant that there's sectors of the imperial cult who believe the Emperor is a shackled god, and wanna unplug him from his life suipport chair

[mossy mortar]

They think he's God

[arctic talon]

The galaxy is split in 2 now by a giant warp rift

[minor lance]

Also, chaos as a whole is pretty well known, at this point in the lore.

[mossy mortar]

and yes there's ones who think if the Emperor dies then he will reincarnate

[minor lance]

I dunno about the gods, though.

[rustic spruce]

cadia had a bunch of necron pylons that stalled the warp, when cadia fell the war rapidly spread

[mossy mortar]

Or if they find all the sensei and sacrifice them to the Golden Throne, it will rejuvenate the Emperor

[minor lance]

No no, not just reincarnate. They think he's shackled to mortality and that if his corporeal form dies then he will ascend as far mightier diety.

[light parrot]

so the eye of terror is slowly eating the material universe into the warp?

[mossy mortar]

Or that he is a God in the warp and freeing from his body will allow him to become a true God

[minor lance]

tbf, I think they're right

[rich sail]

ye and i think the chaos gods were much more tame and passive before humanity was a thing. Ironically the imperium is the primary source of fuel for the chaos gods and correct me if im wrong but it was the reason why the alpha legion turned "traitor" Horus wins = humanity dies=chaos gods no more fuel

[mossy mortar]

Nah the chaos gods got really powerful after the Eldar fucked up

[winter vessel]

Trazyn had a hand in “assisting” by closing the eye of terror due to his knowledge of the pylons and of course Necron. It was working till Abbadon yeeted his fortress into the planet.

[plush mason]

in fact that was the main goal of al the other black crusades iirc. to destroy the necron pylons around the eye of terror which was the only think keeping it from ripping the galaxy in half in the first place

[mossy mortar]

And also kicked off warp storms which disrupted warp travel for millenia

[minor lance]

The necrons and great old ones caused the problems we see today, the Eldar tore the suture, and humanity propogates the festering wound. That's the best way to put it.

[mossy mortar]

Per extremely old lore, back in the early days of humanity, trully powerful people were able to reincarnate their souls from the warp

etc etc

[light parrot]

Where can I read up on the current state of the galaxy? It all seems very vague to me right now

[mossy mortar]

My personal theory is warp travel is what is really fucking up the warp today, not human psykers

[mossy mortar]

it's intentionally vague most of the time

Scale is really hard

[light parrot]

Also why did Yvraine bring Guilliman back? Does she have a crush on him?

[minor lance]

Cadia boomed, Eye of Terror expanding, mass psychic awakening of humanity.

[mossy mortar]

new warp storms too

[winter vessel]

tbh, there’s like very little history of humanity even before the Dark Age of Technology. Which kinda sucks since I’d want to know more about civilization pre-Imperium

[plush mason]

that is a meme nothing more

[mossy mortar]

It's intentionally vague

[rich sail]

because some prophecy that guillimanwill be vital for the salvation of the eldar race or something

[minor lance]

Because of all of the primarchs to be revived, Guilliman is the most reasonable.

[mossy mortar]

Dunno read Dune

[winter vessel]

It was legit just one exchange of convo

[mossy mortar]

Dune is probably pre-dark age 40k

[light parrot]

so the primarchs are all in stasis? is horus not super duper dead?

[plush mason]

no

[mossy mortar]

No they all disappeared to return later, King Arthur style

[minor lance]

A number of primarchs are dead, the rest are MIA or traitor.

[rich sail]

the only one in stasis is the lion

[light parrot]

ah this makes sense

[mossy mortar]

WEll a lot did

[celest dome]

That was only 1 Primarch

[mossy mortar]

some died

[celest dome]

The other are in other states

Like Crusade

Or Sleeping

[mossy mortar]

Guilliman was fatally poisoned fighting Fulgrim, and placed in stasis

And had sat in stasis for 10k years, though some fanatics claim his death wound is slowly healing

[light parrot]

in reality they just didn't get around to curing him until 10k years later?

[crimson dragon]

I wonder when GW will release lores regarding the 2 missing legions

[minor lance]

Jaghatai Khan walks bikes into the webway. Webway racing against Quins. Need For Speed: 40K

[mossy mortar]

The Lion went to sleep until the Imperium needs him again, literally King ARthur style

[celest dome]

They didn't had the mean

[crimson dragon]

And 2 unknown primarchs

[celest dome]

Ye, on a Crusade for Speed

[light parrot]

Who is "The Lion"? I like a Primarch with a King Arthur analogue

[mossy mortar]

Dorn dies off-screen, and only his hand is recovered

[hearty bluff]

Dark angels promarch

[light parrot]

So far I tihnk I'm more of an Imperial Guard man, Tanith First specifically

[rich sail]

dark angels primarch

[winter vessel]

“Chasing those knife-eared assholes”-J Khan

[plush mason]

no they and their primarchs exist to be unknown so people can have an easy way to add their home brew chapters to their fav canon ones for gameplay stuff on the TT afaik

[mossy mortar]

That was the original plan

they might have retconned it sense

since

[hearty bluff]

Lion el Jonson. Primarch of the dark angels.

[crimson dragon]

Yeah but still doesnt make sense how we dont get info on the 2 unknown primarchs and legion

[minor lance]

People give Khan a lot of shit, but outside of going very fast he's pretty chill. He's up there with Guilliman and Vulkan for not being an obsessive mass murderer, and sometimes wilfully working with Eldar. Except in Khan's case, they kept betraying him.

[mossy mortar]

Dark Angelsl do have a knightly theme

They're knights and have a lot of swords and angel wing stuff, but also a dark secret™️

[hearty bluff]

Yeah, but at least you can homebrew chapters with the vagueness they left in

[plush mason]

tho their 40k armor and colors dont show it as well as their 30k armor and colors did

[celest dome]

Remember when the Dark Angel had Native American themes ?

[crimson dragon]

Idk, i find it annoying though

[mossy mortar]

Deathwing yeah. It's a fun old story

[winter vessel]

Headcanon: I still believe that the Legion of the Damned are the incarnations of deceased Astartes, it just sounds interesting

[minor lance]

I mean, that's hardly headcanon

Most people think they're saints, similar to Celestine

[celest dome]

Wasn't it confirmed that Ferrus was in the LotD

[crimson dragon]

Headcannon is that theyre the god emperor's daemons

Similar to the sigmarines in age of sigmar

[celest dome]

Didn't they disappear like Daemons when the Pillons were activated ?

[winter vessel]

I’ve looked at various art pieces of them and man, that is menacing to look at.

[hearty bluff]

Yeah,I see what you're saying. But without that at least we have channels like 40k theories.

[plush mason]

fucking space marine ghost riders

[crimson dragon]

They're the emprah's daemons

The emperor basically in the warp took the souls of fallen astartes and remolded them into daemon space marines

Ez

[rich sail]

gork and mork can smite the emperor in 1 punch

[mossy mortar]

I thought LoTD were supposed to be the Fire Hawks

[minor lance]

Celestine would as well.

They are all creatures of the warp.

[plush mason]

wouldnt that technically be 2 punches?

[crimson dragon]

Yeah so daemons

[minor lance]

Celestine is basically a Big E greater daemon.

[celest dome]

Didn't she just power down ? But was able to stay longer ?

[mossy mortar]

The Cursed Foundings were always cool lore

[rich sail]

hmmmm orc brain cant compute

[winter vessel]

Fulgrim when one LOTD dreadnought focuses on him, the dreadnought whispers “…I reject you now and always”

[hearty bluff]

Ork smash

[plush mason]

lol

[minor lance]

Aye, but she's a pretty much a greater daemon. Think Be'lakor tier.

[mossy mortar]

This is the bit wehre teh orks start bickering and that's why they never actually succeed lol

[crimson dragon]

I wonder what happens to ork souls when they die, do gork and mork just pick a random dead ork and force them to join their endless feud?

[plush mason]

yup

[celest dome]

Which is also a Daemon Prince

[rich sail]

wdym dont succeed they have the best time of their life i would say they are the most succesful race in 40k

[crimson dragon]

So celestine = daemon princess

[mossy mortar]

they succeed in their goal of fightin' and winnin', but no greater goal than that lol

[winter vessel]

Celestine and Grayfax: the tension was real

[hearty bluff]

That's the only great goal they need. Have fun and get krumping.

[plush mason]

do they need a greater goal tho? i mean its 40k most factions are just fighting to survive

[minor lance]

Honestly, as I see Celestine, it's hard to see her as anything but a Big E daemon prince or what-have-you. She works the same as them in almost every sense.

[rich sail]

brutally cunning and cunningly brutal

[hearty bluff]

Have you watched PancreasNoWork Ork video?

It's amazing.

[rich sail]

nope

will watch thx

[winter vessel]

So really when you die, your soul/essence just becomes one with the warp for my understanding?

[crimson dragon]

Warp basically underworld

If your soul is tasty

[hearty bluff]

Yeah p much

[crimson dragon]

It gets eaten by daemons

[hearty bluff]

Unless you're eldar and maybe cegorach sneaks it

[crisp heath]

The player characters like to talk about how the workers should be treated better 💀

Such heresy

[crimson dragon]

But worshipping a specific deity will lead your soul to entering their domain

So like god emprah

Was worshipped too much that he became a god

[mossy mortar]

Well it's hard to say

[winter vessel]

Huh, kinda reminds me of Greek mythos of Hades’ underworld but no Garden of Elysium

[mossy mortar]

but it's possible the emperor does actually protect human souls

maybe?

[rich sail]

if you are ork and you die u just become more ork

[mossy mortar]

In old lore, onc eupon a time the warp was peaceful and souls would jsut chill

[crimson dragon]

And so humans probably go to the god emperors domain in the warp if you were a good boy

[mossy mortar]

But now it's a hell dimension

[rich sail]

its hell dimension bcs of eldars debauchery and emperors crusades

[winter vessel]

Describe the Warp as one City

[mossy mortar]

And the Emperor was specifically created by the souls of all the great shamans of humanity who had been to the other side and back

To try and protect humanity from their fate and lead the psychic awakening

[crimson dragon]

Its uhh like uhhh gangs

[final spruce]

Nope, you can thank the Necrons for that

[hearty bluff]

Brixton

[crimson dragon]

If you dont join a gang you will get destroyed

[mossy mortar]

just like jail

But then how does that square with the Eldar

[crimson dragon]

Basically raped in prison since you dont have a clique

[mossy mortar]

Where the Eldar all get eaten by Slaanesh and only Slaanesh

[crimson dragon]

[mossy mortar]

well even non dead eldar are having their souls eaten unless they protect themesleves

i geuss thats the difference

[crimson dragon]

Slaaneshi daemons probably hunts for any eldari souls in the warp

[winter vessel]

Soul stone?

[mossy mortar]

The soul stones are specifically there to prevent them from being eaten immediately

[crimson dragon]

Or the fact that the former domains of the eldar gods were basically taken over by slaanesh

After they got eaten

[mossy mortar]

But then they have to live inside craftwordls becasue even just existing outside the protection of the infinity circuit makes their souls slowly get eaten

[crimson dragon]

By slaanesh

So when they die they literally get transported to slaanesh's domain

Without soul stones

[winter vessel]

Eldar god Isha stuck in a jar on a shelf in Papa Nurgle’s disease room

[crimson dragon]

No he is papa nurgles waifu

Since they're both god of life

Nurgle wanted to be friends with isha or something

Or fell inlove with her

[winter vessel]

Man there’s a certain dynamic in Greek mythology I wanna give them

[mossy mortar]

nurgle is of course a parody of actual warhammer fans

[winter vessel]

But idk what

[rich sail]

isha also gets to see all the plagues he makes and makes cures for them i think

[crimson dragon]

Except nurgle is a benevolent chaos god

And loving

[plush mason]

hearing one of the zealot voices talk shit about the people living in the upper hive was a bit shocking ngl

[rich sail]

he isint

[mossy mortar]

40k fans think they love the franchise too

[winter vessel]

He gives E Coli

[crimson dragon]

But he is stuck by his nature

[crimson dragon]

Bacterias are life too

Parasites are life too

[winter vessel]

I can see why Tzeentch hates the big boi

[crimson dragon]

Its selfish of you to make them die

[radiant bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-lore-fan-help-gaming-gif-17337663

[crimson dragon]

They need to eat too

They need to live too

[rich sail]

he brainwashes his followers nothing more, there were plague marines whoes connection to the warp got severed a lot of them fell down instantly died fromthe wounds and dieses and the ones that didint screamed in agony seeing what they have become and begged for death

[crimson dragon]

Thats because they were selfish

[winter vessel]

So Khorne’s really the only one who will just kill you and not make you suffer like the rest of the chaos gods?

[crimson dragon]

But nurgle still loves them in his own way according to his nature as a chaos god

They just saw that nurgles wholesome

And loves them

Thats why plaguemarines fight for him

[rich sail]

khorne is the most straightforward one that would never lie to you u know exactly what u get into and whats expected of you khorne will also never betray you

[crimson dragon]

Khorne is just an asshole

[plush mason]

ye iirc he even encourages his followers to kill quickly so the pain isnt enough to really empower his rival slannesh

[quaint sparrow]

So I threw this in Lore last night and it seemed inconclusive. The veteran has an exclusive face tattoo that lists "73•7", any idea what that might be in the lore? Regiment number? Etc?

[radiant bramble]

iirc 7 is some "holy" number

[winter vessel]

Least he’s gonna make it quick

[crimson dragon]

Your convict number

Probably

Your prisoner number

[winter vessel]

Holy shit, minus the eye color, you share the same face as my vet

[quaint sparrow]

That's what I thought originally, but it's exclusive for the veterans so I don't see why only he would have it?

[crisp heath]

Does hating rich people go against the Imperium? Lol

[crimson dragon]

Conscript number

[plush mason]

someone said it was on the side of the prison ship so yeah its a prison tag so they know which ship you came in on

[crisp heath]

Zealot talks about how the governor can fail their people

[quaint sparrow]

Ooooh okay cool. Ty.

[crimson dragon]

Probably soldier number

If not

[quaint sparrow]

Yeah I swapped some things around one the appearance barber came in. Picked up the Cadian eye colour and all.

[crimson dragon]

Cause i know in lore kriegsmen are only called by their numbers to avoid the bureaucratic hastle

[winter vessel]

Wait where’s the barber?!

[plush mason]

yes as the leaders of the imperium are appointed by god basically so shit talking them is questioning big e's choices

[quaint sparrow]

To the left as you load in! You can change face, skin colour, hair, scars, tattoos, etc.

[crimson dragon]

Just infront of the weapon shop

Theres a room with 6 servitors

With scissors and shit

[plush mason]

ye

[crimson dragon]

Or was it 4

[crisp heath]

I’m pretty sure there’s also another zealot voice that praises the workers for living where they work lol

[plush mason]

yup

[crisp heath]

It’s prolly the least popular zealot female voice tho

I’ve never heard anyone with it

The Shakespearean woman one

[quaint sparrow]

Yeah here's a brain puzzler for you.

[winter vessel]

K thx, I always run by and straight to the terminal, I’m a blind ass mf

[quaint sparrow]

Is thanksgiving now canon in the 41st millennia?

[crimson dragon]

No

[winter vessel]

They ain’t serving turkey that’s for sure

[mossy mortar]

yes

[crimson dragon]

Thanksgiving is literally just thanking the emperor

[winter vessel]

Corpse Starch for all!

[plush mason]

they mean like the actual puritan thanksgiving not the thing we do in america today

[quaint sparrow]

oh I'm not American

[mossy mortar]

I hope they have buckle hat cosmetics by next thankgiving

[plush mason]

which is giving thanks to god in prayer

[quaint sparrow]

I just thought it was a funny voice line they added for the holiday.

[crimson dragon]

If i were to live in the 40k universe iom and i had a choice. Id choose agri worlds

[plush mason]

nah

[crimson dragon]

Atleast i dont have to eat food made from my excrement and other peoples corpses

[quaint sparrow]

Has to be, tho? It had unique dialogue responses from the others. And it happened on thanksgiving for the Americans. Seems more than chance LOL

[quaint sparrow]

Tbh as long as I had a bottle of tobasco id survive

[crimson dragon]

I atleast get to live in a world with the environment still in tact

[mossy mortar]

it depends

[plush mason]

nah because it has been in the game sense the closed beta afaik

[winter vessel]

I mean does flavor even in exist in 40k? Far as I know things are just edible

[crisp heath]

Not exactly authority figures

Just rich people ig

[mossy mortar]

as an amateur farmer, i got bad news for you

[crimson dragon]

What if that tobasco is made from human shit

[crimson dragon]

That is?

[rich sail]

fertilizers are made out of shit

[quaint sparrow]

I guess that's fair because tobasco is also a product from peppers and plants and all

[crimson dragon]

Oh true

Im talking about coming straight not through plants

Just processed human shit to become hot sauce

[mossy mortar]

What about through specialized bacteria

and tiny plants

[winter vessel]

Are fortress worlds any better to be on?

[plush mason]

no

[mossy mortar]

40k is such an enormous universe that the answer is always "it depends"

[winter vessel]

True

[quaint sparrow]

I mean Tbf there was a Niles video where he made hot sauce from rubber gloves so it wouldn't surprise me

[plush mason]

they are worlds made purely to be warzones

[mossy mortar]

I mean there's plenty of cities in Europe where the cities were specifically laid out to be miserable urban sieges

[plush mason]

yup

[winter vessel]

Pleasure Worlds= planet Vegas

[plush mason]

more or less yeah

and just like Vegas only the rich have any real fun there

[quaint sparrow]

is there like. Lawyers in the 40k verse? Would there be a need for lawyers and courts??

[plush mason]

law in the imperium is the most fucked up thing i have ever read about

[tulip sand]

Damn i just read about genestealer cults

Isnt that basically gg for imperium

[winter vessel]

Justice is practically a bolter to the face

[crimson dragon]

Its gg for the milky way galaxy

[plush mason]

if your lucky

[tulip sand]

Although the tyrannids themselves are screwed since chaos and necrons and such cant be eaten

[rich sail]

nah justice is getting turned into a servitor

[mossy mortar]

And just weird shit too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunkers_in_Albania

[quaint sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-edge-runners-adam-smasher-rebecca-sad-gif-26848187

[crimson dragon]

They'll just travel to another galaxy

[tulip sand]

True

[crimson dragon]

Maybe andromeda galaxy next

[mossy mortar]

endless lawyers

[winter vessel]

Leave her outta this

😦

[tulip sand]

But yeah with genestealer cults thats basically end of universe imo

[crisp heath]

You’re a heretic for being on time for an appointment, a heretic for being late, and believe it or not a heretic for being early

[crimson dragon]

The current tyranid hive fleet are just scouts btw

[plush mason]

like. i always thought the whole "the high lords of terra make 1k new laws a day" thing was just meme lore, no its 100% canon

[tulip sand]

Yes

[mossy mortar]

There's a court for every massive bureaucracy in the imperium

which is like all of them

[crimson dragon]

The main force is still travelling to the milky way

[mossy mortar]

so an ecclesiastical court

for the ministorum

[mossy mortar]

not a heretic, but worse... suspiciously non-heretical

almost as if you were a plant

[quaint sparrow]

I mean Tbf most things seem like an extinction level event. Orks get to your world? Their spores drop? They keep coming back endlessly? Do you not have to just exterminatus at this point?

[mossy mortar]

by the Enemy

[crimson dragon]

The milky way galaxy is already doomed. The hive fleets in the milky way is like a scout party

[crisp heath]

Does that happen?

[mossy mortar]

No honest person is this honest! you are a spy

[plush mason]

court cases can take centuries to close and the verdict is handed down to the descendants of the defendant in those instances

[mossy mortar]

take him away

[quaint sparrow]

The only honest person is an Ogryn because look at his face it's like a pug how could you be mad at him!!

[mossy mortar]

He is honest in his heresy of form

[tulip sand]

Grimdark

[mossy mortar]

Take him away his inhuamn face disgusts me

waves scented handkerchief

[quaint sparrow]

LOL

[crimson dragon]

Tyranids are basically skaven of the 40k

Change my mind

They're not smart rats though sadly

[quaint sparrow]

Rats rats we're the rats.

We stalk at night we creep at night we're the rats.

[winter vessel]

Aw crap wrong channel

[crimson dragon]

Also i dont think chaos gods really care as much since the warp isnt just located in the milky way

[quaint sparrow]

I'm the giant rat that makes all of the rules!!!

[crimson dragon]

Theres other galaxies

That can worship them

Theres probably galaxies that wholeheartedly worship nurgle only or khorne only

[winter vessel]

Yo what happened to Remy? *gasp did he find the edibles?

[crimson dragon]

Also iirc there is lore that daot humans were intergalactic

[quaint sparrow]

Also good question why is it always Nurgle we're fighting?

[mossy mortar]

so a tyranid warrior

[crimson dragon]

So humans probably are in a different galaxies outside the imperium that can thrive

[winter vessel]

Do you really wanna fight Slaaneshi cultists?

[quaint sparrow]

why is it never like Khorne

[mossy mortar]

I like the people who said "but why don't the tyranids just build dyson spheres and farm biomass and not be hungry" lol

[quaint sparrow]

yes

[mossy mortar]

"this is so unrealistic"

hehe there's no vegan tyranids

[crimson dragon]

Tyranids are like ants

[mossy mortar]

They want to eat

[crimson dragon]

They have a hivemind

[winter vessel]

“That…is…dumb”-Adornable

[crimson dragon]

Or theyre like cells of a body

[celest dome]

Might get the other God devotee in future updates

[mossy mortar]

They're just going to keep on eating. Their hivemind is mega genius level but their goals are already set in stone

[quaint sparrow]

I want my goddamn weird sex cult monsters. We already have the vore monster via the beast of Nurgle.

[crimson dragon]

Their only purpose is to consume as the hive mind demands

How is it unrealistic

[mossy mortar]

it's not unrealistic

[crimson dragon]

Technically multicellular beings are a hivemind

[mossy mortar]

the people saying that dont' understand

[crimson dragon]

Since every cells in our body follows the organ called the brain

[quaint sparrow]

We are a giant mech suit controlled by a very salty piece of meat.

[crimson dragon]

So technically our body is a one giant hivemind

[mossy mortar]

And then society itself is a hivemind created by many bodies

Ironically, the mega-organism created by many people is actually simpler and dumber than its component cells

that's the interesting part

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_"П"#Mammon_–_Oranus

[normal stream]

Technically they're vegan if they eat a planet with only flora and not fauna right? :p

[celest dome]

Omnivore

[crimson dragon]

Not even salty piece of meat, id say the brain is like a council of cells like ethereals to the tau

Since the brain is also multicellular

[quaint sparrow]

Nah the brain is literally salty meat

[crimson dragon]

An organ made up of multiple cells

[quaint sparrow]

If you look at what it's made of

[winter vessel]

the Jean Stealer cult can be a possible candidate to fight in a game like Darktide, clearing out sites of those hybrid freaks.

[quaint sparrow]

Brain is indeed very salty and that's why zombies want to eat it, since it's so well seasoned.

[mossy mortar]

Pelevin’s oranus represent degradation of an individual to a cell in biologically (if such term can be applied to a concept) primitive but at the same time powerful organism that governs our consumer habits.

In order to govern and spur the constant flow of money and goods, which play a role of blood and lymph, oranus uses media as a kind of nervous system to steer its cells’ activity, namely selling and buying. What is important, is that Pelevin’s oranus, is built upon already existing psychological needs of consumption and defecation. When one envies and admires the way a TV character displays wealth or “class” the former is displaying what Pelevin calls oral wow-factor. When, conversely, one lavishly spends money or displays “class” for others to envy and admire, one is displaying anal wow-factor. The displacing wow-factor ensures that one perpetually attempts to “climb the ladder of success”.

The author parallels this to a Babylonian myth in which, human beings were created out of beads. A bead serves as an exact representation of oranus, – a human being who swallows the golden thread only to have it come out of his rear end and, who in so doing ends up being suspended on the thread. In the end we may conclude that human psyche creates a concept to which it finally subdues itself and part of which it becomes.

[crimson dragon]

Idk if genestealer cults are still alive after being turned into pox walkers

In tertium

[celest dome]

They would need to make the 2 roster wholly separate (Doubling needed work) when other Gods Devotee would be able to add on the current roster

[mossy mortar]

They should add monster infighting

so the different factions fight each other too

And you get thrown in the middle trying to help one side then the other

[crimson dragon]

Only times genestealer cults would rise up is if the hive fleet is closing in on the planet

[mossy mortar]

Or if a space hulk showed up

and it's just got random everyone on it

Like the cultists are summong a space hulk

and there's a nurgle daemon on the hulk, but also a bunc hof other randos

[celest dome]

Making enemy infight would need even more work

[mossy mortar]

Yeah it would essentially be sequel levels of work

They'd have to redo theor entire AI

Only other way would be to segregate enemies

[celest dome]

It's the reason they did Skaven->Norscan->Beastmen

They don't need to make all the units separate and they can develop more with less

[quaint sparrow]

So what are Power Swords and why do the Vets get to use them?

[celest dome]

Power weapon are normal weapon that have a Power field fitted on them

When it's activated it has much greater effect

And the Guardsmen do get them in the IG

[mossy mortar]

Power swords are usually shown to be like lightsabers

[mossy mortar]

theychop through anything

[plush mason]

thats only because high end ones are the ones normally shown

[mossy mortar]

The power field is a matter disruptive energy field

[woeful bloom]

Are space marines stronger than ogryn without the armor?

[mossy mortar]

Dunno

[plush mason]

not at all

[celest dome]

No

[mossy mortar]

probably not but we can look at the statline

[woeful bloom]

[mossy mortar]

What's their melee S

[plush mason]

TT stats mean nothing to the lore and vise versa

[mossy mortar]

It's never explicitly stated

[woeful bloom]

Oh irony

[mossy mortar]

You just guess off the statline

or make up an answer

[quaint sparrow]

Idk I feel like four Ogryn could beat a space marine

[woeful bloom]

There was a time where both were synced

[celest dome]

An Ogryn was able to pull a Chimeara for some good distance by might alone

[quaint sparrow]

What's a Chimeara?

[mossy mortar]

APC

[quaint sparrow]

Ooh ok

[mossy mortar]

looks like a BMP

[woeful bloom]

The Imperial vehicle

[celest dome]

And mosty yes, the 4 convict with appropriate gear could kill a SM, but it'd be a Boss

[quaint sparrow]

You have to understand I've only started learning 40k due to Darktide LOL

[woeful bloom]

Same

[mossy mortar]

don't sweat it

[woeful bloom]

Most of the writing is as shite as I predicted

[tulip sand]

I hope that we get to take part in a setpieve battle

[woeful bloom]

But some of it is good

[tulip sand]

Same

[mossy mortar]

40k is a sprawling and let's be honest extremely inconsistent universe from like 30 years of media

[plush mason]

darktide will be the dawn of war for a new generation and that makes me happy

[mossy mortar]

40 years atually

[tulip sand]

Well not predicted im not a rick and morty intellectual like you but ye

[woeful bloom]

Dawn of War was one of the good ones

[plush mason]

dawn of war literally got me and many others into 40k lol

[mossy mortar]

There's a handful of top tier 40k writers whoa re actually pretty good and have good backgroudn knowledge plus know how to play with langauge

[woeful bloom]

I had my preconceptions about 40k prior to getting into it and most of them turned out to be right

[tulip sand]

But heah setpiece battle, like theres an assault going on and we need to disable an artillery battery

Or sometbing

[woeful bloom]

Oh yeah there's some really good stuff hidden in the sea of shit

[mossy mortar]

I'd say top tier is Abnett, Fehrvari, Second tier decent is ADB and all the old guys like William King

[tulip sand]

ADB?

[woeful bloom]

And Matt ward?

[mossy mortar]

ADam Dempski boden

[tulip sand]

The fifth chaos god

Matt ward

[mossy mortar]

dude doesn't write he only ghostwrites

[tulip sand]

I know that much

[woeful bloom]

Lmao

[mossy mortar]

So we don't actually know exactly what he's written

Especially since they started hiding the writing credits for codexes

[tulip sand]

Why dont people like him

[woeful bloom]

I wonder if he wrote the Bloodtide Returns entry

[mossy mortar]

Meh i think it's overblown

But he did write some very dodgy lore bits for the rulebooks

[woeful bloom]

Yes

[mossy mortar]

Like just dumb

[woeful bloom]

One of the most infamous ones is the one I mentioned

And it's hilarious

[mossy mortar]

THe problem with 40k is as with any long-running franchise, it gets started by history and fantasy buffs but then starts to get populated by its own fans

Which is always a mixed bag

[tulip sand]

I honestly just pick and choose what lore I accept

[mossy mortar]

Some get it ad some don't

[mossy mortar]

same

[tulip sand]

Make your own reality

[woeful bloom]

You say that but writing like this was present at the start https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745324840097153167/1045467762916589628/unknown.png

[tulip sand]

LMFAOO

[woeful bloom]

This is official published material

[mossy mortar]

Yes it's funny

[woeful bloom]

Someone was paid for this

[mossy mortar]

It was not very serious back then

[tulip sand]

You can tell how much fun they were having

[mossy mortar]

Honestly the series literally has a mission statement which sets out its themes

It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries The Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die.

Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in his name on uncounted worlds. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from aliens, heretics, mutants - and worse.

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

[woeful bloom]

Astartes the fartes

[mossy mortar]

I'd also recommend people new to the franchise read some of the sci-fi classics it's clearly riffing off of like Dune

A Canticle for Liebowitz, Foundation, etc

Assuming they haven't already

[mossy mortar]

"Marines lol"

[woeful bloom]

Rip

[mossy mortar]

But then you also had cool art

There was also some good ones clearly inspired by like old woodcuts that were pretty sweet

uh those ar ethe originals i can't find the 40k ones lol

[crimson dragon]

Total war warhammer is actually what led me into warhammer 40k lol

[plush mason]

lo fair

[crimson dragon]

I was researching warhammer fantasy lores

Then came across scifi warhammer

Which i started to prefer more than the fantasy

[plush mason]

welcome to the rabbithole. you are never leaving

[celest dome]

I started on Dreadfleet

the game

Then the book

[crimson dragon]

I loved how the weak humans stood up against the odds

Even if they're in decline

I just wish the lore would actually move forward like the fantasy endtimes

Well fall of cadia i guess

And cicatrix maledictum

[celest dome]

Ahah, no way, someone asking for the End Time

[crimson dragon]

Lol

[celest dome]

End Time is quite hated

[mossy mortar]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

Psyker voice lines that talk about challenging authority 💀

[crimson dragon]

I actually want an ending to the lore

[celest dome]

Even by people who don't hate AoS

[crisp heath]

I’m surprised that they weren’t executed on the spot

[crimson dragon]

Idk how the loner actually managed to say he was loyal

Im guessing he lied

[crisp heath]

Yes Lmao

[tulip sand]

Lpve the glasses on the second marine lmaoo

[crimson dragon]

I have a feeling that the seer is being possessed by a daemon

Same goes for the loner

Since they speak about their beloved

[celest dome]

Nah, that would be detected and purged

The Beloved is supposed to be either the Emperor

[crimson dragon]

Psyker fuckery

[celest dome]

Or simply Warp beings, but they aren't Possessed

[crimson dragon]

Warp beings are daemons

[tulip sand]

Theres a voice line where they refer to the emperor as the beloved

Directly

[crimson dragon]

Ah

Then the only one i see being corrupted to chaos is the zealot

[crisp heath]

Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the Golden Throne!

[celest dome]

Not all of them

[crimson dragon]

Idk whos voice it came from but the one that yells skull for the golden throne

[crimson dragon]

So souls

Of people

[crisp heath]

They also question why they hate abhumans so much

[crimson dragon]

Because warp entities are either daemons or souls

[crisp heath]

Since they fight for the same cause lol

Heresy 💀

[crimson dragon]

You'd think the zealot would have executed the psyker by now for the loner spouting so much heretical shit against the empire though

[winter vessel]

That’s on their to do list when they get back to the mourning star

[wise cove]

so, me and a friend were talking about the pre-order cosmetics and we've come to the conclusion that ||inquisitor grendyl is a heretic. the squad numbers for his personal guard (the ones that you meet in the prologue/the title characters) are 73-7. 7 and 3 are nurgle's sacred numbers. dude didn't show us his face in the cutscene and used a servitor instead because he's a pox-riddled nurglite HERETIC||

[crimson dragon]

Warp entities beings are either chaos gods or warp gods and their daemons or souls of the dead

[celest dome]

73-3 is the number of the Prison transport we were on iirc

[crimson dragon]

Cause all of the servants of gods in the warp are labelled daemons

So like saint celestine is a daemon of the god emperor

Or legion of the damned

[winter vessel]

Ghost rider chapter

[crimson dragon]

Your soul also returns to the warp when you die. Depending on your belief, you would be brought to the domain of said god you believed in

If you were an atheist, you are probably able to just freely roam the warp is what I understood unless a daemon notices you and basically eats you

[winter vessel]

Still ironic that the “God”-Emperor is an atheist himself, Uriah Ollathaire really foretold his doom.

[crisp heath]

Hi all

could you guys recommend some strong woman positions in WH40k besides inquisitors and sisters of battle that i should look into?

[celest dome]

There are Officers

General

[kind parrot]

Comminsars, Adeptus Arbites , etc

[celest dome]

and Navy/Rogue Trader

[dusk knot]

pretty much most positions outside of astartes have women

in all ranks

[celest dome]

Daemon Princess

Sorcerer

Tech Priest

[crimson dragon]

Female nobilities

In the imperium

[celest dome]

Basically no career is gender locked apart from the SM

And analogue

[dusk knot]

it's because GW don't make female casts for cost reasons

[crimson dragon]

Imperial Knights

Can be females

[dusk knot]

so some of the community take a bit of an extreme view on this

[celest dome]

Their Pilots can

[crimson dragon]

Yea

[crimson dragon]

I dont think theres gender boundaries in the imperium. You're all subject to the service of the god emperor

[celest dome]

Daemon Host ?

[crimson dragon]

Except space marines

Cause geneseed

[dusk knot]

which is dumb

[kind parrot]

Cabal already knew of his doom before Uriah, they have been spying on the Emperor even when he was fighting the unification war

[crimson dragon]

Make one of the missing primarchs a female then we can have female space marines

But i want battle priests too

[dusk knot]

make a female space marine and don't say anything

[crimson dragon]

Like in fantasy

[crimson dragon]

Because it wont make sense

[dusky ingot]

Great Unclean One

[dusk knot]

literally nothing in 40k makes sense

[kind parrot]

the lore would be possible that this was a failure chapter and removed from imperial records but female space marines are sister of battle

[crimson dragon]

Also tech limitations

Geneseed implantation doesnt always succeed

Men could handle the process with 40% failing

[celest dome]

Who care, GW itself say that you can run with Homebrew as long as you keep the same rules set

[crimson dragon]

Also space marines wasnt a replacement for humans in his vision

[celest dome]

It was the next step iirc

[crimson dragon]

I actually care about lore consistency or atleast keep it consistent

[celest dome]

And the Custodes were the next after

[crimson dragon]

Even though there are retcons

[dusk knot]

40k has little to no consistency

welcome to "many writers with each having their own direction"

[kind parrot]

Yeah but still you never read a book about female space marines from the possible 300+

[crimson dragon]

Yeah but I find making the space marines female all of a sudden without explanation annoying so there is that opinion

[celest dome]

Still, it's under the preview of Homebrew

[dusk knot]

that's why I think they should, it'd be funny

[crimson dragon]

Also we have sisters of battle

[kind parrot]

you have the sisters of battle which is the female "space marine"

[crimson dragon]

That

[clever steppe]

Yer a female space marine

[plush mason]

ok lore pepes, any idea what or who that new post is referencing?

[celest dome]

Daemonhost I'd say

[crimson dragon]

New boss

[kind parrot]

Can you link it @plush mason

[celest dome]

Not a Great Unclean one (Head not round, closer to Bloodletter oblong head)

[crisp heath]

deff some kind of daemon

[celest dome]

It's in the news

[crimson dragon]

Probably a new sub boss

[crisp heath]

yeah that

[tulip sand]

Anyone else loving the new map

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jr1cv0EyHM

[crimson dragon]

What new map

[clever steppe]

It’s my dad when i take an hour long shower

[tulip sand]

The last part of it is really sick

The one with the tower

[crisp heath]

Also female space marines just because it would be funny to piss everyone off is just trolls

[fading orchid]

I would love to see a enemy faction later on as Genestealer cults

[kind parrot]

it will be a new sub boss

don't think that it is a Deamon Price it would kill our operatives fast

[clever steppe]

I don’t really understand how a female sm is trolls since it’s just a redundant character idea

[dusk knot]

it seems to have a sword

[crimson dragon]

I dont think Genestealer cults will show themselves until the hive fleet is closing in

[kind parrot]

This

[tulip sand]

Its nurgle

[dusk knot]

so it could be some nurgly bloodletter

[crisp heath]

because the other poster literally said "it doesnt have to make sense it would just be funny to piss off the fanbase"

[tulip sand]

Its joe nurgle

[crimson dragon]

Like we have female space marines already with the adepta sororitas

[clever steppe]

Arguably better

[crimson dragon]

Oh ok

[crisp heath]

They aren't really space marines, they're their own thing

but I think they're cool on their own too

[tulip sand]

I like how it is now

[fading orchid]

sisters of battle are not space marines though, they dont have a primarch and are not genetically modified, they are Human women (Badass) but not space marines

[celest dome]

Pussletter

[tulip sand]

Theres no need to do female space marines

[clever steppe]

They have an overall leader

[tulip sand]

It would be needless shitstirring imo

[crimson dragon]

Yeah but a female space marine with a male primarch wouldnt be good right

[celest dome]

Aye, they are much better

[kind parrot]

they are the closest in my opinion who are fighting in a war

[tulip sand]

Theres sisters of battle and silence etc

[crimson dragon]

So just add a female primarch

Boom you have female space marines

[dusk knot]

I'm not asking for like every spacemarine squad to have a female cast in it but like some female characters in the lore would be nice

[tulip sand]

Bruh

[celest dome]

Sword or Axe ?

[tulip sand]

Add male sisters of battle

[fading orchid]

Technically if they wanted to, they could make a female primarch out of #2 or #11, (Missing primarchs) but that would be changing a lot of lore, its their choice tho

[celest dome]

They exist

[dusk knot]

whatever this is

[crimson dragon]

Only way I would support adding female space marines if there is a space marine legion comprising of only females and a female primarch.

[clever steppe]

The sisters literally do what sms do but without being a genetic abomination

[tulip sand]

^

[clever steppe]

So I’ll just stay happy with the better faction

[crimson dragon]

^

[kind parrot]

Yes but those chapters have been removed form the imperial records maybe failures from the testing.

[dusk knot]

they're are primarily a religious organisation

[tulip sand]

I think anyone genuinely pushing for female space marines just like to make others angry

[dusk knot]

I do :)

[tulip sand]

And sisters of battle are cool because they are normal humans

[dusk knot]

but the ones who get angry are the ones we don't need

[tulip sand]

Well no

[crimson dragon]

Normal humans > space marines

[clever steppe]

Exactly

[kind parrot]

sorry but no 🙂

[tulip sand]

Theres degrees to it

[fading orchid]

tbh, it would be interesting if they made #11 a female primarch, since the 11th legion MAY have fallen to Malice (chaos god of anarchy) and it would fit with it not following the already established rules

[tulip sand]

For examole the people who got mad when they say women in darktide are negative influences on the fanbase

[crimson dragon]

Would a female space marine with a male primarch make sense to you guys?

[tulip sand]

It doesnt imo

[dusk knot]

yes because it's a fictional universe lmao

[hushed kayak]

not really after reading the lore books

[celest dome]

I mean, a dad can have daughters

[clever steppe]

Women are cool but they don’t need to be included in a faction that they weren’t previously in

[kind parrot]

Every faction does its job in the emporium without the space marines the would just die faster 🙂

[crimson dragon]

But its geneseed

Thats implanted in humans

[tulip sand]

Its fiction so therefore i want to mess it up to anger those with different political beliefs from myself

[celest dome]

And ? Your daughter still have similar Genes

[crimson dragon]

Like maybe its incompatible with xx genes only with xy genes since the primarch are males

[tulip sand]

Genesneed

[dusk knot]

geneseed is a flux capacitor of the 40k universe

[tulip sand]

Just make a female primarch

[crimson dragon]

This

[clever steppe]

:Dab:

[dusk knot]

it's a literary device to explain how x turns into y

[hushed kayak]

Geneseed chemical make-up doesn’t seem to work well with females

[crimson dragon]

^

[clever steppe]

Oh right i don’t have nitro anymore i forgor

[dusk knot]

what chemicals

[kind parrot]

chapters tried to recruit them but they died from the process

[tulip sand]

There's sisters of batte and of silence, women in the IG, do you really need to insert this stuff into the astartes as well

[crimson dragon]

My theory is because theyre incompatible with the male primarchs genes

[dusk knot]

yes

[tulip sand]

Many people think the lore is just fine as is

[ashen shoal]

what would even be the purpose of making female space marines, with all the genetic modifcations and surgeries, they'd probably end up being super deep voiceds massively built human being anyways, functionally identical to male space marines other than having XX chromosomes rather than XY

[fading orchid]

there are like a dozen geneseed organs, whos to say some wouldnt be compatible with woman

[kind parrot]

they are incopatbile with the Emperor gene seed

[clever steppe]

The sisters are cooler

So

[tulip sand]

^

[dusk knot]

cus it's funny, and there's no reason otherwise

[hushed kayak]

i don’t mind it, but it’s already been stated it’s impossible. Plus knowing the imperium technology, the chance are low.

[tulip sand]

I prefer regular humans over muh spice marines

[celest dome]

Even if there were women Astartes I wouldn't play them

[crimson dragon]

Since im for equality i support a brothers of silence and brotherhood of battle becoming a thing

[clever steppe]

There’s literally no need to put them in a weaker faction

[fading orchid]

sisters are probably the coolest imperium faction imo

[celest dome]

SM are the worst

[crimson dragon]

[kind parrot]

because the primarchs are grown from vats from the emperor gene seed

[ashen shoal]

I mean it'd be equally as funny if Dora the Explorer turned out to be a warp god, doesn't mean it adds anything to the lore to just toss it in

[hushed kayak]

But if we had the dna of the Primarchs biological mother that’s a different story. But she’s dead lmao

[clever steppe]

As are most cool characters

[celest dome]

Dora the Explorator as a Chaos God would be Tzeentch

[dusk knot]

what is geneseed anyway

[crimson dragon]

Oh yeah primarchs had a mommy didnt they?

[celest dome]

Amar Astartes

[fading orchid]

geneseed are several organs added to the body, all with a different purpose

[kind parrot]

no

[tulip sand]

On a serious note people who are pushing for that don't care about the lore, they're doing it for irl political purposes

[dusk knot]

is it chromosomes or something

[fading orchid]

and there is one organ that develops more geneseed organs

that is the one that apothecaries extract

[tulip sand]

Its why i disregard that

[hushed kayak]

the main organ that enhances their ability based on their primarch

[kind parrot]

No they were an experiment from the emperor

[dusk knot]

the lore has the consistency of wet pasta

[tulip sand]

Foreskin?

[clever steppe]

Imagine if the emperor died and reincarnated as a tau

[crimson dragon]

Its an organ that multiplies itself in a space marine

Or primarch

[dusk knot]

so it's tissue?

[fading orchid]

I still think Orkz are the most interesting faction with their literal Beliefs manifesting. Guns without firing mechanisms working because they believe they are fully intact, Timetravel being a thing because they wanted a second of their favourite gun etc.etc.

[crimson dragon]

Yes

[tulip sand]

therefore i want to make it even worse for seemingly no reason

[crimson dragon]

Its a biomechanical gland

[dusk knot]

how is it making it worse?

[tulip sand]

I think you're just baiting but i am curious about the arguments people put up in favor of this

[crimson dragon]

It basically results in space marines growing big

Growing extra organs

Like two hearts

[clever steppe]

Where female ogryn?

[hushed kayak]

Sounds like a chaos worshipper we have here

[crimson dragon]

Three lungs

[tulip sand]

Indeed

[dusk knot]

so it's like an organ transplant, where gender does not factor in to compatability

[fading orchid]

yep

[dusk knot]

those exist

[fading orchid]

but i dont think there were (in lore) successful transplants to women

but i also dont know if it was ever written as being tried

[hushed kayak]

yep, your dna has to be compatible, even physically and mentally as well.

[clever steppe]

No female ogryn in darktide

[dusk knot]

dna is something different

[kind parrot]

The Progenoid Glands, also known as the Gene-Seed, are the 18th of the 19 genetically-engineered gene-seed organs implanted within an adolescent Space Marine Neophyte to create a new Astartes.

[crimson dragon]

From my understanding a Geneseed is basically a biomechanical gland that can multiply itself. It would then result in your organs multiplying and some shit and you get tougher bodies.

[kind parrot]

But the primarch are from the emperor dna the space marines are from their primarchs xx and xy dna has different properties if you need a property from y chromosone how would the implant work?

[fading orchid]

there are many different organs that are 'geneseeds' just one of them that multiplies and is the reason that you can make more spacemarines

[crimson dragon]

Lets just say the gland also rewrites dna

So it has to be compatible to a male dna i guess

[dusk knot]

like I can just say the gland can be compatible with females

[crimson dragon]

[fading orchid]

you -could-

[dusk knot]

when you assume the whole theory falls down

[tulip sand]

But what if it isnt

[ashen shoal]

It does seem to definitely rewrite dna to some extent, like not all Nocturneans look like the Salamanders by default, and not all people of Baal look like the Blood Angels

[fading orchid]

shroedinger's compatibility

[hushed kayak]

there are times where the dna doesn’t have to play into it. But it can impact sometimes

[dusk knot]

the primarchs are directly created from the emperor, where as SM are candidates with implants

[crimson dragon]

Ill support female space marines when I get battle priests and male nulls equivalent to sister of silence

[tulip sand]

I think the theory is there just to have something to say against shit disturbers

[crimson dragon]

Because equality

[kind parrot]

yes becuase they are selecting the most fittest to take in the organs not the weakest sorry if i offended someone

[crimson dragon]

[fading orchid]

you certainly could make a successor chapter of only female spacemarines that have geneseed augmentation that follow XYZ primarch. there is a reason people are able to make their own with their own lore.

Like a multiverse, its what makes the hobby so cool

[dusk knot]

you mean like all the nulls and ecclesiastical priests in the lore

[crimson dragon]

Biologically females are weaker than men

[fading orchid]

There is literally a SHARK chapter, 40,000 years in teh future where sharks dont even exist

[tulip sand]

Its not even an equaliry thing, for me theres no reason to change it up aside from irl political bs which is a bad reason imo

[clever steppe]

Isn’t the one assassin school stronger than the sos?

[tulip sand]

Because i hate politics

[ashen shoal]

They do though, the Carchardons literally have one swimming in a tank on their ship, have you not read their book?

[clever steppe]

They ain’t all grills

[kind parrot]

today everything is politics ....

[dusk knot]

damn you mean this universe entrenched in many political ideas and started out as political satire of 70s britain can't be politics

[crimson dragon]

Which is why i steer clear

From reaching that point

[tulip sand]

I still try to avoid it, its very tiring

[tulip sand]

Fictional is different ans you know it

[clever steppe]

Politics make me love thanksgiving every year

[crimson dragon]

Anyways

[clever steppe]

Anyway

[crimson dragon]

Im fine with battle sisters but i want a female primarch first

[kind parrot]

is any book from this year worth reading?

[crimson dragon]

To lead said female space marine legion

[clever steppe]

The real question is why the orks have no prominent foes anymore

[fading orchid]

Sure but i guarantee you that right now on earth in 2022 there are millions of women stronger than you. and in the 40k universe youd probably be a farmer or dead, spacemarines are the absolute exception. They are the elite of the elite, just like body builders or pro athletes have a stronger physique. im jsut saying its possible

[crimson dragon]

I understand that

[clever steppe]

Oh so we aren’t moving on

Icic

[dusk knot]

my main point is the whole idea in the first place is dumb

[kind parrot]

It is possible to make a cool short story about it and leave it on a cliff hanger i would dig that you leave it to the reader what happened to this specimen 😄

[fading orchid]

😂 sorry was typing didnt see the topic shifted

[crisp heath]

Ehhh not really, the upper limit of male genetics outstrip the same of female genetics

[crimson dragon]

Anyways

[kind parrot]

i don't remeber reading any of this we are just reading mentions

[crimson dragon]

Orks degraded

Because no more necrons

[crisp heath]

It would be like if we pushed everyone to be super uber body builders

[kind parrot]

why they arent any female orks 🙂

[crimson dragon]

Or old ones couldnt find the off switch on the krorks

[fading orchid]

Korkz are super cool, i wonder what would happen if they found like a group of them frozen in time or something

[tulip sand]

Male sisters of battle NOW

[crisp heath]

orks do not have a gender

[crimson dragon]

And basically wanted to bash one another

[fading orchid]

and invaded a chapter's homeworld

[ashen shoal]

Trazyn has Krorks stored in his museum

[crimson dragon]

What if gork and mork are actually krorks

[clever steppe]

Anywho is there a guardsmen faction thats as dripped out as the kriegs but actually acceptably normal?

[fading orchid]

ooo so that is possible

yeah the guardsman of Armageddon

[crimson dragon]

Mordian

[dusk knot]

armageddon steel legion

[fading orchid]

look the same, but are tank focussed

[crimson dragon]

Mordian Iron Guards

[dusk knot]

literally just better

[fading orchid]

less shovels

so not better

🙃

[crimson dragon]

I like Mordian Iron Guards

[tulip sand]

Just make your own tbh

[crimson dragon]

They wear drip blue uniforms

[tulip sand]

Very plausible they exist somewhere

[clever steppe]

I don’t like green

[crimson dragon]

They fought against a chaos incursion in their home planet

With discipline

[dusk knot]

good cus they're yellow

[crimson dragon]

Kriegsmen respect Mordian Iron Guards too

[fading orchid]

LOL

i was gonna say, they are yellow tho

😂

[clever steppe]

Their jacket is beige and their helmet is green

[fading orchid]

dark grey helmet

[clever steppe]

Green

[fading orchid]

maybe the lighting in the image makes it look green to you/

[crimson dragon]

I also like the Praetorian Guards

[ashen shoal]

so, how much do we think the krieg cosmetics are going to cost, no way it'll be less than like 10 right

[crimson dragon]

Theyre pretty much victorian era guardsmen

[fading orchid]

160k gold

[clever steppe]

This grey and green

[fading orchid]

or 15.99

[clever steppe]

So like

[ashen shoal]

nah it's going to be for real money for sure

[tulip sand]

^

[kind parrot]

7.99$ 🙂

[plush mason]

im sorry but, that is a damn parade uniform at best. man looks like a DC comic cop

[ashen shoal]

Like there's no way they give out any of the drippier regiment cosmetics for free

[clever steppe]

It seems like that factions primary focus is having ugly green

[fading orchid]

Is this guy heretical?

gonna need a solid yes or no

[clever steppe]

No

[plush mason]

no

[crimson dragon]

My top 5 favorite guardsmen regiment are

1. kriegsmen
2. mordians
3. praetorians
4. armageddon
5. vostroyan

[crisp heath]

yes

[fading orchid]

just wearing your commisars head as an ornament is normal things i guess 😂

[plush mason]

we found the heretic

[kind parrot]

catachans ?

[crimson dragon]

Not really a fan of space aussies

Or rambo

[tulip sand]

Can regular guards have those face masks

[fading orchid]

but they are the imp guard flamer faction

[dusk knot]

don't really like krieg

[fading orchid]

if you like salamanders but humans

[ashen shoal]

catachans are cool, but yeah they're basically just rambo

[tulip sand]

Or are those just special units

[kind parrot]

more like Arnold from Predator 🙂

[plush mason]

thats just a vox speaker with a hat and skull, very very very common in the imperium yes

[clever steppe]

This ones neat

[crimson dragon]

Yeah didn't like the aesthetic sorry

[ashen shoal]

good old savlar chem dogs

[crimson dragon]

I like the lore though

[crisp heath]

krieg is over rated

[crimson dragon]

But i cared about the aesthetics

[crisp heath]

like super over rated

[crimson dragon]

[ashen shoal]

honestly, if any regiment should get cosmetics, it's the savlar ones, they're a drug addicted penal legion

[fading orchid]

people just like the sucidal charges they do, and digging holes

buncha minecraft players

or i guess, "meinkraft" 🙃

[plush mason]

meaning people just like the memes

[crimson dragon]

You'd think they'd be corrupted by chaos by now

[clever steppe]

Sold this is the best legion

[fading orchid]

whos to say they arent already 🙃

[ashen shoal]

there was a savlar guy in one of the baneblade books that was a real bro

he shanked the group's commissar so the rest of them wouldn't get executed for seeing chaos

[plush mason]

i hope we get second chancer skins, with brain bombs and all

[crimson dragon]

Because they'd already turned on the imperium like the moebian 6th

[crisp heath]

Harakoni warhawks look far cooler than the krieg

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/a/a2/Harakoni_warhawk_by_diegogisbertllorens.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140519035813

[clever steppe]

Omg look it’s fallout

[crimson dragon]

I like the uniforms worn by the moebian regiments though

[clever steppe]

Fallout man

[fading orchid]

fair

[crimson dragon]

They're starting to become one of my favorite regiment

[crimson dragon]

Is that a terran ig regiment

[ashen shoal]

I'd be surprised if we didn't get Tanith first and only as one of the cosmetic choices too, given that Dan Abnett is involved with the game

[plush mason]

screaming eagles in 40k

[fading orchid]

These are my bois

[crimson dragon]

Might be

[kind parrot]

But this is what i am more curious how was he involved since the story does not sound like his

[crisp heath]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/79/Harakon_Warhawk_mission2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130222023604

[weary solar]

gonna make me act up

[crimson dragon]

Elysian drop troops

[clever steppe]

Indigan praefects

[ashen shoal]

I mean the game has basically no story lmao, I think he just did all the setting work

[crimson dragon]

Ooh

[fading orchid]

guard are just so cool with the right helmets

[plush mason]

those are the all americans in 40k

[crisp heath]

these are the warhawks, not elysians

[crimson dragon]

Havent heard of them before

[weary solar]

hope we get kasrkin cosmetics in the future

[crimson dragon]

Eww cadians

[ashen shoal]

man, remember back when the Dark Angels were still Native American based? Was weird reading those books before they became all about the fallen and were all named after angels

[kind parrot]

but he could have wrote an inqusitor which is investigating tertium, and other 3 4 classes aiding him

[crimson dragon]

Cadia is my disliked imperial guardsmen

[weary solar]

shur up mark..,,,,

[clever steppe]

They seem new

[plush mason]

if vet gets a sniper cloak of any kind im 100% rolling to that