#40k-lore-chat
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Trying to kill 1 chaos space marine is like sending a psyker to see the emperor
Why would it call 30 guys an extermination lmao
Because they are chaos space marines
That took whole regiments to kill
where is this from?
it's one of the skins in the store
what store?
it says the pattern was common as a reward thingy amongst regiments which participated in the extermination of said space marines in the exchange armory, saw it as sharpshooter, next time I'm in I'll take a screenshot
Either way, chaos space marines aren’t easy to kill, yes they’re mortal, but compared to 4 people that aren’t genetically modified by any means, it’s impossible
ok let me say this again. the only reason there will not be any space marines in darktide in any way shape or form is because fatshark has said they will not be adding them in
especially nurgle space marines the beefiest and tankiest of them all
there is no lore reason why there will not be a CSM fight in this game, it is purely due to the fact that fatshark doesnt want them in darktide so there
I'd like to see a Blight Drone boss
yall have beat the horse out of existence, not even the crease spot remains
its bcs the game is specifically made with the normal lowly humans perspective in mind, having a lowly guardsmen preacher unsanctioned psyker and an ogryn mow down hordes of enemies and kill beast of nurgles is already a hugeeeee stretch
An ogryn would be the only thing capable of killing a chaos space marine
and the psyker
But it will be a tough fight
Psyker it depends
Did they even say no space marine as an enemy boss or did they say no space marine player characters cause those are very different things
Psykers can kill space marines, if the space marine is dumb and doesn’t kill the psyker first
the psyker is def sanctioned
they said no to both
where
I like space marines as much as the next guy, but I do agree with farsharks decision
same
nah i like it this way space marines are kinda boring ngl, guardsmen are the most interesting trhere is a lot of things you can do with guardsmen bcs they are vastly different in tactics and looks based on where they come from
Yeah, a plague marine boss would be cool to fight, lore wise? I doubt we’d win as 4 people fighting a plague marine, if it’s anything better than a plague marine, say a champion, plaguecaster, blightlord or deathshroud, it’s a definite loss
ye
Same, lore wise. It just doesn't match up
I mean, space marines have really good lore and are interesting to me, especially in the Horus Heresy where they act more human than the way they are now, but I do agree all the basic human type stuff is a bit more interesting in comparison
Horus Heresy books are peak space marine lore imo
I still think the individuals we are playing are so individually exceptional that they stand a chance against foes that should be above their weight class, particularly the guardsman and the zealot are very incredible for what they are supposed to be, like just maybe possibly, by the skin of their teeth, a sanc psyker and a particularly dangerous ogryn could do the stuff we do in this game, but a standard guardsman and a crazy guy who loves the emperor too much probably isn't pulling this shit off
I like the imperial guard a lot, but space marines will always be supreme
I love the Lost and the Damned/Renegades & Heretics more personally
Iron Hands/Red Talons for me 💪💪💪
Apostate Preacher of Nurgle when
I love Genestealer Cult lore
It could easily be justified if they wanted to but they decided it didn’t fit the tone or the scope of the game
i just want a death korps vet or armageddon steel legionaire vet thats all
Atoma Prime isn’t supposed to be a very special world
I bet you couldn’t guess my favorite space marine legion :)
It’s important but not that important
I feel like space marines of either side showing up would escalate it too much
Space Marines are supposed to be mythical to the average imperial citizen
Steel Legion is so cool, and I love how the Iron Warriors actually respect how much siege weaponry they got
True
I like the SM from an outside perspective, seen as the angels and fallen angels they are, but in a setting where demons can be skewered, even angels may on occasion, be brought low by sufficiently dedicated, prepared, and zealous mortals
i agree completely, we could theoretically kill a single space marine even if just due to gameplay stuff, but fatshark have already axed that whole idea so there is little point in these arguments
Hey, don’t insult the scarab, Necrons be really strong
Those bugs are more advanced than almost any faction in the galaxy
I love the scarabs
Unironically those bugs could take on most things in the 40k fiction with a big enough swarm
necrons enslaved literal gods lol
Then there’s a Tyranid warrior casually slicing a space marine in half like butter
No, space marines aren’t immortal, but everything that kills a space marine are 100x worse than what we face in darktide
hormagaunt best bug :3
thats more due to the fact there is only like a million of them in a galaxy of trillions upon trillions of humans
#Shacknews
#GameDev #Interview
Step into the violent, dystopian world of Warhammer 40,000.
From boiling hot industrial factories to the decaying water maintenance zone afflicted by constant acid rainfall - Tertium Hive is a hard and unforgiving place even at the best of times.
Your role is to serve the zealous I...
Tyranids are absolutely insanely strong
they said here there's not gonna be a regular bolter, just the heavy bolter and there is a regular bolter and not a heavy bolter...
And not to be underestimated
its not a regular bolter#
Yes
its the human scaled down version inquisitors/arbites use
Not really but it doesn’t fit the tone
It’s why there’s human sized boltguns
The Beast of Nurgle tbh is the main like
The Beast of Nurgle I’m surprised made it in
Because those things are dangerous as hell
I feel like Genestealer Cults are a good way to go in a hive city
A sector, weirdly not infected by the plague
But instead it’s infested with the Genestealers kiss
playable brood brother archetype :3
no thats eternal life, immortality is not being able to die in any way or form
YEEEES
praise the four armed emperor
Immortality means eternal life
and invulnerability
I have a patriarch model I still need to paint
Vampires are not invincible
Immortal don't die to acciendtal death and old age
They are immortal
I do like the idea of the whole planet increasingly going to shit, in the midst of the nurglite crises, a space hulk crashes into the planet, orks pouring out and a gsc cult springing up from it
Feel like that would just get silly
yeah
but its 40k...
I feel like just Genestealer cults would make sense
They hide in hive cities often
I like the human vs human aspect of darktide currently
Genestealers would be quite fun to fight, reminds me of space hulk a wee bit
GSC cool
Only that you're a bit more squishy than terminators.
I feel like a Genestealer would be a mini boss
And a magus or primus would be a main boss
like all those questions where what space marines weapons we would get...
like wtf kind of question is that
I want lightning claws on an ogryn
❤️
It’s the old image too, I have the GSC codex and that picture is in it
I think it was from theick fire questions
The one that isn't correct
I got the new GSC codex for $40 because the store owner bought too many lol
nice
ye and the quick fire was about what space marine weapons we could get in darktide...
I mean, we have the thunder hammer, a bolter type gun, chainswords, power swords, force swords, force staves, and a power maul the ogryn uses
but like. none of those are space marine specific weapons
The only ones were missing are heavy bolters, power axes, and lightning claws
What space marine specific weapons you mean?
Like the Lascannon?
We have plasma guns too, and chainaxes
lascutter would be a melee weapon or a very close range ranged weapon?
that is the thing, there is almost no space marine specific weapons
We don’t have a plasma pistol
lascutter would be a short ranged beam weapon, it was counted as nominally melee weapon on TT, but it was a very short ranged laser beam weapon practically.
grav weapons are near sm exclusive, almost
I think
probably mechanicus has them too I guess
Yeah, space marine weapons are just weapons the imperial uses, except maybe the combi-bolter or storm bolter
yes
There are from the Space Wolves
Graviton weaponry is use by mostly the imperium
storm bolters have been in guardsman hands before, as pintle mounted weapons and yarrick ofc
The Frost weapon are supposed to be exclusive to them
or the stalker bolter from the ultramarines
The ONLY space marine weaponry that I think are exclusive to space marines because of its rarity
Volkite weaponry
But volkite weaponry is insanely rare and strong
Stalker Bolter ? Much worse than a Stake Bolter
Admech ?
Ever since the horus heresy, volkite has seen a decrease in production
Like they have it more than the SM
a stalker bolter is just a DMR conversion of the normal SM bolter lol
You realize Admech makes EVERYTHING right?
The Admech makes space marine armor for christs sake
They make everything the imperium has
It was belisarius cawl who made primaris marines a thing
Admech have everything because they make and produce it all on forge worlds
Including knights
They’re slowly starting to phase Volkite back in for VIPs
The ONLY space marine weaponry that I think are exclusive to space marines because of its rarity
Used more by the Admech
They never lost the ability to make it, it’s just super expensive and fragile
It was phased out after the Heresy due to that
Yup
And need special care
And it was already being phased out during the GC
The Horus Heresy caused a technological setback to the imperium
Never have they lost their ability to make it
Just production slowing down more and more
ye so the question "what space marine weapons can we expect in darktide" just seems really strange and very left field to me
Nah, that lore is just from an old Dark Heresy entry that was famous for being super Marine wanky by the writer. Humans can use astartes bolters just fine, they are just way too clunky and big.
the bone-break things makes no sense since a human bolter is more or so the same thing with a small caliber 
Also most of the RPG lore is very outdated, it’s not all wrong or anything
But it’s old
^
So a lot is less relevant
Yeah the bone break thing is like WAY back in the mid 2000's
Ah, I just remember that old lore then
The Wrath & Glory RPG more or so makes marine and human bolters the same stat
iirc its only the Primaris boltgun that has bigger stats
I wish we’d get more FFG RPGs 
Bolters casually firing rocket propelled grenades
I won’t pretend all of the RPG systems themselves were well done
Yeah, primaris boltguns are stronger
But goddamn was the lore great
I guess the only space marine exclusive weaponry are the primaris boltguns
Which I haven’t seen or heard anyone else use
Because they are for primaris
I am trying to figure out what caliber and force would be needed to break someones bones from recoil alone, cause I'm pretty sure you can shoulder fire a 20mm without breaking anything unless you're particularly sickly or frail, or perhaps holding it in a compromising manner, not that you would want too regardless
You can dislocate
Especially with how heavy Bolter guns are
I mean, recoil from certain guns can dislocate bones
The issue would not be the recoil
tfw the bolter dislocates every bone in your body
Sure, but bolters are so goddamn heavy it’s nonsensical
But 40k writers don’t shoot guns or understand recoil
They put a STOCK on that bolter lmao
I heard a pretty great comparison
Warwick Kinrade's descriptions in IA were better than that of the GD and SG teams I'd say.
"You dont get your shoulder dislocated when firing a 50. cal, a bolter is the same deal, end of subject"
Basically
It’s such a big fucking gun too
Way bigger and heavier than most anything we make irl
Yeah like
plus most bolt rounds have like less than half the normal amount of propellant in them so they shouldnt be able to make much recoil even without the weight of the gun itself
A bolter will be super fucking heavy and an inconvenience to carry around if it wasn’t for the human sized one
at WORST you'll get a super fucking stiff shoulder
Primaris is an insult to the lore. To think that anyone, especially a tech heretic, could improve upon the Emperor's work and smile about it to a Primarch.
You say it like uh
it was all the emperor's work
when uh
you know
The Emperor didn't say no
He literally just used the Emperors notes
^
A space marine sized boltgun would be too much for a human to carry around
The stuff he added was already planned
And anyway the Emperor can go eat dirt
Which is why there’s travel sized bolters
hell is it still canon that the name "adeptus astartes" comes from the chick that oversaw most of the space marine program?
An out of lore explanation for a lore issue. Totally fair.
But yeah, bolters
welcome to 40k lore
I love bolters
Now now, this isn’t even the worst of it
i know
The worst is still Akrhan Land and the Land Raider/Speeder
yo - this game is getting me into 40k lore. Always been a huge fan of fantasy. Whats a good book to begin?
Tbh I love the Arkhan land stuff
Let’s talk about the totally not absolutely fucked lore that makes 0 sense whatsoever, the Alpha Legion!!
The Astarte thing though just feels too ok the nose
You can’t make the same joke twice
when it comes to 40k it really is just best to turn your brain off and enjoy it, or it will break your mind
Would still have prefered that Arkhan took the name Land because he found/made those rather than the other way around
The Alpha Legion lore is more of a convoluted mess than Tzeentch is
It’s horrendous how bad it’s gotten
That or you go down a rabbit hole you can never get out of
yes
btw. is the ogryn slab shield really flat out vehicle armor?
Tbh it’s not very complex these days
Yeah
They also wear tank tread armor
That’s been in since 2nd edition tbf
It’s not like it’s a recent thing lol
I know, still not great
naming things after the person that first made them or found the STC is a very common thing in the imperium
It's also common irl. Generally if someone finds something they get to name it.
ye
why do you think we call it Newtons when measuring gravitational forces
Wait till he figures out who founded Ford Motor Company
Or why Africa is called Africa
cus nepotism?
Or America America
Because Jimmy Neutron
That I'm ok, but Land Raider not being named for their uses seem strange
Duh
or that Wats is also named for the guy that invented the system for measuring electrical strength
Arkhan Land
I'm pretty sure a Land Raider is named for its use
It Raids Land
It drops off warriors who proceed to raid and murder
no its named after Arkhan Land the guy that found the STC for them
Double entendres
ye
Are there any other iron hands fans here
I wish
is it bad that battle fleet gothic 2 was the first time i ever heard of the iron hands?
I kinda like Iron Hands
But I prefer White Scars
We all start somewhere man
Sadge
I heard of iron hands because of 40k redemptor Dreadnought spam that they won 1st place in a tourny
Red Hunters
❤️
Cause all they did was take 3 redemptor dreadnoughts and a techmarine and won
Yeah they had a meta
hmmm
I have never played tabletop I just really like their lore
Iron Hands dreds were scary in 8E
I prefer red talons because autek mor is awesome but they never get anything
9E had DW Dred castles
I play tabletop a lot
Autek Morr was a Chad
Ww2 anti aircraft gun ngl
Uh sir
even Kirioth went all in for IH Dreds list in 8E
I played tyranids 8th edition, let’s just say, it wasn’t too fun, but now being called a meta player because I still play nids now feels bad
That’s a twin linked heavy stubber clearly
Iron Hand dreads are horrifying in Horus Heresy tabletop
Lol
Because contemptors are broken
They were worse in 8e
hell it plays like one lol. just mows down hordes and stun locks specials
Somehow
And they make leviathans even scarier
Contemptors in Horus Heresy right now are the most broken thing ever
And Iron Hands can casually buff them more
It's what's singlehandedly getting me to start an ogryn

I wish I could make the veteran a brood brother
I wanna be a Genestealer cultist in covert
yesssss
sus

As we get multiple health check I supose a Genestealer Cultist would have a harder time staying covert
I’m a brood brother because I’m fighting with the imperium to get rid of the chaos threat so the Genestealer cults can uprise
LOL, imagine the inquisition when they found out a fucking genestealer had been an agent this whole time
Perfect lore

Only helping so chaos is gone and Tyranids can invade
Somehow I think they wouldn’t be very cash money on that
Because tyranids hate chaos
I think the Genestealer cults have a way to keep that hidden
If brood brothers can infiltrate the guard regiments
Even become a commissar
They have ways, but we might be in more scrutiny than the normal IG
Yeah, it’ll be cool though
I love how he’s just beating himself upon the button
ikr lol
As long as they don't spend an Archetype on it
Wait, genestealer commisar? How? I thought commissars had to be verified by the Schola
I want it purely for cosmetic purposes
amogus DLC
Darktide singlehandedly getting me back into 40k lore
Don’t question the ways of the hive mind
ඞ
Sus
sus
how did you make this? or better yet why

Yeah, I don’t want brood brothers to take an archetype
I just want it cosmetically
Maybe voice lines too
genestealer cosmetics best cosmetics imo
I’d spend $3 whole buckeroos for that
I think it's just a letter/symbol from an Asiatic language
If they add brood brothers and openly heretical stuff they should make friendly fire a gameplay mechanic
I can't imagine they would as they haven't in the Vermintide series
It's like how I can't see SoB or Marines being added
:( un-based
It's hard enough when I get the dialogue that bashes cadia
I want it cosmetically
Not actually apart of the full on game
Just something neat to have
gue'vesa cosmetics
It's fine, they're from a lesser regiment anyway
I can imagine myself in a game with Rylarth already
"We got along pretty well, his forehead was just a bit strange"
Well none of us are in regiments now
Cadia broke before the guard did
The guard broke before Cadia did, canonically speaking
sus
It's funny that veterans talk about how good the guard is and discipline and stuff, when canonically we all got kicked out for one reason or another
They didnt really get kicked out
Imperial regiments can be super harsh for no reason
They won the ground war on Cadia
YEEEES
Tbf half of the sources imply false accusation
I wanna be bald
You can get shot in the face for dropping your lasgun by a commissar
With my weird ass forehead
It just depends
The servers broke before the Guard did ( technically, technically speeking
Regiments like Mordian Guard? Executed for not having your boots polished correctly.
There are Genestealer cults who actually broke from the hivemind because the patriarch died
Catachan? Hahaahahahahahahaahaa
❤️
It’s just they kept the weird genetic mutations
The Guard was losing the fight against Chaos on Cadia, Creed himself admits this and was preparing evacuation efforts.. They were going to leave before it was revealed that they need to protect the necron pylons
The patriarch can die, and it severs the cult from the hive mind
Abaddon noticed the eye was shrinking and had to destroy the pylons all at once so he just yeeted the fortress which was already a husk and was serving no tactical value
Making it so the cultist just has a weird forehead and is bald
Cadia stands
How do mordians stay combat effective when they don't actually wear armor over their uniforms
Their uniforms are their armour... Not joking
Brother have you seen Catachan?
They don't even wear uniforms
I’m saving this
You're tellin me this would stop a traitor lasgun or sword?
It is flak armour, so yes
Catachans share the same gene seed, the Rambo gene seed
Catachans are irregular soldiers though, mordians march in straight lines towards the enemy
He wasn’t able to take the pylons himself and was going to lose the ground war due to this, he wanted to take Cadia but couldn’t
All I know is that so long as one Cadian lives, Cadia Stands.
I’m happy this chat doesn’t have a slow timer on it though
I mean yes, he did the smartest thing at the end of the day
Makes talking to people so much easier
guard fans just cant stomach it, if an Imperial character did this they'd be praising them endlessly 
its just amazing how most people legit thing abaddon qupte on quote "ragequit" from meme-culture and whatnot and havent read a single book
AND I DONT EVEN LIKE CHAOS

Well he still wasn’t happy about it at the end of the day
He wanted to take the planet
No one was to be fair
at the end of the day the galaxy is also split in half
so
Ur avg 40k fan literally knows nothing beyond imperial fluff
Most ppl still think the black crusades were all into cadia
I just meme because it’s easy to remember for others
God, end me
Ol abbadon the armless
I know of the black crusades, but I know they weren’t all on Cadia, I just don’t know where they were
"Yeah, Officer shitfartems was 5'8", his nails are perfectly trimmed, and his favorite food is keylime pie"
"Whats a 'Exarch'?"
The best book is when Kharn cringed
The Black Crusades were a variety of places. Summarized: Most were dedicated to earning the favor of 1 of the gods or gaining an artefact or such
Most(12/13 iirc) were a success
around™️
lmao
Some of them dont rlly have fluff
He definitely won but it’s still an impressive feat that they forced him to blow up the planet considering the odds. It was a good trade for him but it’s still a small victory and the whole “Planet broke before the Guard did” is pretty accurate, especially considering they were still fighting in voidshields months after the planet got broken.
Other than a footnote mention
That sucks
So it was a victory for him, and a cool moment for Cadia.
Cost him one of his black fortresses
Then Creed got pokeballed
Cadians are cool and I'm sick of people trying to tell me they aren't.
The ones with the most fluff are the 13th and the 1st since the 1st shows up in the books
The 1st involved killing Sigismund and gaining Drachnyen
Yeah most of the 13 crusades had ulterior motives
They didnt force him to blow up anything
he destroyed Cadia for the pylons
Oh yeah, Abby killed Sigy
They literally did
They didn't.
He couldn’t take the pylons himself
Its outright said in Cadia Stands
And had to retreat
the guard were getting hammered
Yea but they still held
the chaos legions were literally endless
No they didnt
lmao
the fucking planet blew up
and they all ran away
Yes they did, he literally had to retreat and blow the planet up
Yeah, and they held on the shattered remains after.
He failed to take the planet
He didnt
He wanted to
Chaos propaganda obviously
I like how Typhus was there with the Terminus Est and even he still lost
So if the guard were fighting until the planet broke, does that not mean the planet broke before the guard did?
Typhus is amazing though
Am I missing something
He literally blew the planet up because the Eye of Terror was shrinking due to necron interference. The guard were pretty much broken at the end of the day
Creed
himself
literally says
they cannot do anything
LMAO
like do I actually need to go and find the excerpt
Im way too tired

y'all need malal
If you want anyone to believe you you do
But the planet broke before they stopped fighting nonetheless? Like if they would have lost if it continued longer but it didn't continue longer, the planet still broke before they did?
Does it? Does it really?
Warhammer 40K is property of Games Workshop
Eternal says he got timed out
Typhus is better than Mortarion
😡
That really doesnt matter
the planet blew up
you can fight on the chunks all you want
Morty got beat twice by the great Khan
doesnt mean shit 
In normal primarch and daemon primarch
They failed and the galaxy got torn in half
You literally do not get "the planet broke before the guard" which is funny cause you keep saying it
chaos always takin fat Ls
It does matter because the tagline is, the planet broke before the guard did, so thus it is accurate
Nah
Its basically an in-universe copium propaganda quote so not really
Well yeah any chaos leader loses to loyalists, that's how they kept the 40k universe going for forty years
Cadia falling has caused the emperor to start moving again
But it is literally what happened lmao
They literally kept fighting after the planet broke, so
Morty was the only daemon primarch to be sent back to the eye of terror during the siege, and during that point, the DG swore allegiance to Typhus because they disliked Morty and his pettiness
Okay but it didn't accomplish anything, so
Typhus gets shit done
This is like saying
i wonder. how to hold the lines against a literal endless horde, need bullets to keep killing, but bullets run out and opponent bodies dont. and even if you have a large wall they cant climb over, a mountain of bodies allow for climbing over 
Morty sulks on his Barbarus copy being the very thing he wanted to destroy
But you came into the conversation saying the guard broke before the planet did? Which was actually inaccurate? Like you can debate on how important that is but that's changing what your initial claim was
Question
have you even read Cadia Stands
It doesn't matter, the planet still broke before the guard. It's the literal meaning of the phrase. They guard kept fighting when the planet didn't, irregardless of if it mattered or not. Sorry that somehow will not penetrate your cranium G
But Khan roasted him doing so
KEK
The avg guard fan literacy rate is tragic
Same can be said for your own cranium from the looks of it

Difference being I'm not misreading the book for whatever motives I have

Would've solved all this to begin with
lol, this is great
And people ask me why I hate guard fans 
I love being a Tyranid and GSC fan, watching this all unfold
I don't even like or play the guard lmao, I just like people being wrong less.
I'm a Deathwatch guy
I’m a space marine person
my fav armies are the Harlies and Inquisition
Da codex says this bad
Damn no love for the guard in here
My favorite army is my Tyranids
That's awful mean, I don't hate anyone :c
Nids, GSC, Thousand Sons, Daemons of Tzeentch, Necrons, and White Scars are all the armies I’ve played
nice
I don’t own many Necron models anymore though
oh
Needed to sell them for financial reasons
It sucks, but I had to
Real life comes first after all
yup
I’m planning on selling my daemons of Tzeentch too sadly
if ultra marines are so powerful
why dont they just get 1million of them
and go kil tyraniants
ez pz problem solved
ok that is pure meme lore and idk if its a real question or just bait
CHAPTER EIGHT
POINT 395, MYRAK FRONT
Valentin’s Hellhound squadron was still half a day away from the Elysion Fields when the Marauder destroyer swept low over
the ground. Four more followed and the last one gave them a simple salute as it waggled its wings and swept on southwards, weapon mounts fully loaded with hunter-killer missiles. Valentin couldn’t remember the last time he’d seen air support. ‘Just look at that,’ he said. ‘Where the hell did they come from?’
‘I don’t care,’ his driver said. ‘As long as they put those weapons to use.’
As the roar of the Marauders diminished, they could hear the vox playing Flower of Cadia. ‘Hush!’ Valentin said, and turned the volume up.
It was Creed’s voice, at last.
‘People of Cadia.’
‘Shut up!’ Valentin punched his gunner and the Hellhound slammed to a halt.
‘You have done all that I have asked, and more. You have driven the enemy back. You have won the battle for Cadia.’ There was a pause. ‘You have won, but it is my duty, my heavy duty to tell you all that Cadia, our home, is doomed. Not for lack of courage and strength on your part. You have won the battle. Your honour is unblemished.
‘You might think that this is a defeat for us. But it is not. I assure you. Preparations are being made now. After this message, there will follow a broadcast announcing the evacuation zones where landers will come to lift you all from the planet. I repeat. This is not defeat. The fight will go on. We shall carry the flame of Cadia back to the Imperium. We shall fight to defend Holy Terra itself.’
At the end of the broadcast a different voice – strained with emotion – recounted a list of evacuation sites. Valentin’s crew listened in numb silence.
The list started at the beginning again. It repeated three times before anyone spoke.
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Hope Creed's speech helps at least lmao
This is so low quality bait its not even 360p
yeah it sounds like the planet did break before the guard did
well the guard never broke so
You retreat when you are broken
no
Man this is grim..
Creed basically doesnt want more needless deaths
yes
He basically more or so sugarcoats it heavily
he just cant tell his men that they are being slaughtered
thats not uh
you know
good for morale
the battle in space had been lost so he ordered a retreat and evacuation
You also retreat when at a disadvantageous position. Excerpt really does sound like the planet broke first tho.
"break" implies a rout not an ordered retreat btw
"we havent lost the battle and we're still fighting, but the planets karked it, get the fuck off it so you dont waste your life, we need you to keep fighting off-world" basically
Nah
the chaos fleet is massive compared to the loyalist one
they basically more or so just didnt stop coming
ye
even the Phalanx had to take the survivors and leave otherwise it was gonna get turned into scrap
Same thing
also man
I cant believe
they included france in there
a bit of a low blow 
why not?
Too many france surrender/retreat jokes
thanks to ww2 its literally all anyone remembers them for

mfw when imperial france was so powerful the russian tsar said "we are but babies in the hands of a giant" and now all anyone remembers is france getting its ass kicked in ww2
but yeah i dont see anything that says the guard broke at cadia as there is no talk of a rout afaik
"break" means only one thing when talking about armies
and a retreat and a rout are two very different things
Cadia was a goodwill gesture by the imperium towards chaos
nah the imperium got its ass beat at cadia
I thought it was fighting for centuries
its just there is no evidence that any of the ground forces on cadia where broken before the black stone fort crashed home
Hardly an ass whoopin when you consider that chaos forces (specifically chaos space marines) probably have a low rate of replenishment
Phyric victory for chaos
But then didnt the primarch come back
Cadia falling caused big e to start moving
it cost them a black stone fortress. that is by far chaos' greatest cost in the battle of cadia
How many of those black forts are there
like 12 iirc
a LOT
A few
Lmao
Its 12 atm but uh
the lore basically says there are a lot more
they are just unfound
Just like imperium worlds
Does abaddon have 3 of them?
lol
Ye
lol
this isnt a joke he actually did
Okay it falls anyways and nothing changes but anyways this OTHER world though, its really important
Also yeah pretty much
you understand this universe already
please tell me the name was a joke tho
I mean i kind of got the gist
so about as memey
What does abaddon’s sword do
But also isnt the primarch who came back believing in science
And also what are primaris marines, I know they arent a chapter
Yeah but imagine walking into the Vatican and saying their faith is false
they arent really gonna listen to you
Bring Jaghatai back GW
Space Marines but Better™️
Marines with additional organs
Ah so he has no impact
They’re just bigger marines pretty much
I thought it would mean more tech
they are space marines 2.0, bigger faster stronger
Oh lmao
I mean
GW needs to sell more models
They do have some new tech
What the heck bruh
Everybody loves painting white scars
But it’s mostly enhanced versions of old tech
Or just worse versions of old tech
Cawls volkite 💀
lol
So no one researches anything then
Even with the primarch leading the imperium
Sounds like heratek
innovation is tech-heresy for most of the admech sadly
Like wouldnt he have some influence and arent primarchs good public speakers
yeah but
Not all innovations
we are talking about the entire galaxy here
Ye but he only needs to focus on mars and earth
It's knida like the Dwarfs in Warhammer fantasy
Their ships have a evolved and advanced a ton over the years for example
Since mars is the research hub place
It’s just it takes forever for approval
Oh lmao
And it’s slow to make them on top of that
also rowboat cant afford to shake up the imperium to much rn. it needs to be stable if it is going to survive
The emperor only ever told them to not go into certain research, so how did it escalate into technological stagnation
Why is it especially shaky rn
Monkes
after cadia fell the warp literally ripped the galaxy in half
Necron need to construct additional pylons
Ohh or do you mean half the imperium is cut off
and Rowboat is a meme name for the Primarch Robutae Gilliman the dude you are talking about
Mans name is robutae lmaoo
im sure i butchered it
Okay so rob leads half the imperium
Im guessing they cant communicate etc with the other half
ye and thats why he cant afford to make to many changes to the imperium rn
Do you think they will try to reclaim the other half of the imperium
im sure they will
Or is it straight up impossible to cross rn
the last large story expansion for the tabletop was about the Nachmund gauntlet which basically is the only place to cross to the other side safely
there are ways to get across but it's very risky
My understanding was that rob came back and like enlightened the imperium and the indomitus crusade was him going and fixing the worlds
Thx
yeah nothing so grand or messiah like thankfully
I want a lore battle where every faction shows up, a big ol murder pit
I find it hilarious that the only faction to ever really use submarines is the orks
Vigilus was basically that
I think almost every faction was represented or most
There’s a few other Warzones which are similar
@stark frigatesorry did u @ me
Don't worry about it
sorry cus i didnt check in like 1 hour 
are there any tyranid chaos war in lore?
Fall of Shadowbrink
Most of the time tyranid and chaos just opt to avoid each other since neither really gain anything from each other
Yeah
Nids can’t eat daemons and daemons can’t get souls from nids
But in this case the Nids were able to starve the chaos incursion of its warp energy basically
Shadow over the warp babyyyy
The Shadow in the Warp helps a lot with that stuff
can nurgle affect nid?
And they don’t benefit Chaos at all
Nids also tend to avoid necrons for similar reasons
so i wanna know chaos ever fight nid to corrupt them
Nids can’t be corrupted
Not that I’m aware of
Since they’re a hive mind
so nid chaos and necron avoid eachother?
And if one leaves the mind i’m pretty sure it rapidly starts to break down or go feral
i think the only time that happened both side just ended up turning the world they where fighting over into a giant ball of super toxic slime
Zoanthropes can be produced the same as other nids
One time a singular zoanthrope ate an eldar infinity circuit
Took out an entire eldar crafteworld
Nah nids don’t use the warp
No. More of a space warp weird stuff.
It’s half the reason they don’t eat things faster
Their "shadow in the warp" gimmick must be confusing you
But no, they dont use the warp
so nid just fly around eat thing?
Basically
The nids just want a little nibble
You can sum up Nid lore on your fucking palm
but no one can make them extinct?
Boring ass faction
the nids are just hungry bois
Basically not
The nids we’ve seen in 40k aren’t even the main fleet
They don't really bother the Necrons because Necrons aren't edible and tomb worlds tend to be low on biomass...and the Necrons aren't generally interested in them as a result. Chaos is a bit more interesting but daemons are equally indigestible and all those warp mutations tend to result in indigestion.
They’re the scouting party
they come from beyond the galaxy are already number beyond counting + we have no way of knowing how many more are coming
Ehh, they seem to be resistant to it. No individuality to seduce thanks to the Hive Mind and their genetics are already so whacked that you really can't tell a mutated Tyranid from a 'normal' one.
ye
At least, the survivors have only ever reported one...not sure why you'd think two would leave any.
im surprise khrone didnt find them entertain
Bloodshed without rage. Where's the fun in that?
Nids make sure there’s nothing left to do war
plus any warp mutation that proves to be a benefit would become a standard and any that dont would be removed by the norn queen
As for the question about Tyranids and the warp, as far as I can remember the Tyranids cast a shadow in the warp through the way the hive mind communicates.
A desolate rock makes a boring battleground
so chaos god cant even detect them?
Think of it like multiple people being on the same radio frequency and clogging it up with pure garbage.
Shout out to the time Ghazghkull cut his way out of a mawloc
They can probably perceive the shadow in the warp the same way a mortal psyker can.
Alright, maybe not exactly the same way, since that often involves the psyker's head exploding but you know what I mean.
oof
you ever seen what chaff does to radar? i imagine the shadow in the warp is a lot like that
^
just one giant amorphous blob rather than individual signals you can clearly see and track
It basically calms warm storms, drives pyskers insane and basically stops daemonic incursion
it also makes warp navigation and communication all but impossible
Which would make sense to prevent any imperial forces retreating.
yup
I wonder what would happen in a fight between the thousand sons and the nids
and prevent help from reaching the world
so nid is blob of hungry jammer
yup
The nids are basically pacman
Something I'd love to see happen in the 40k setting is the adpetus mechanicus splitting into a third group. The Adeptust mechanicus (loyalists), the dark mechanicum (traitors) and a third which believe the omnissiah isn't the emperor nor a warp entity, but believe their machine god is the void dragon.
So this has been “attempted” but the issue is the Ad Mech is aware of how much they need the Imperium
didnt they too busy try to find answer for everything?
So whenever rumblings of that viewpoint come around, it gets squashed because they know civil war is a bad plan
It’s not an uncommon idea in the Ad Mech
But their leadership is smart enough to see that convictions don’t provide resources or allow their worlds to function
True. It happened once and cost them pretty much everything, mainly their independence. Though do any tech priest know about the ||void dragon beneath mars||?
I can imagine some probably speculate their god is connected to the necrons but I can just imagine what would happen if they learned of the void dragons existence. I wonder how the necrons would react if a void dragon splinter group of the adpetus mechanicus formed. Probably not happy.
The omnissiah is the Emperor. Why would you believe anything else?
...
suuurree ||hides "heresy"||
Anything else is heresy
Heresy against what? Humanity or the machine cult? I know which I'm choosing
Both.
If you say so
But I do have to wonder what a tech priest worshiping the void dragon would look like. I wonder what their main colour would be
Green? Red? Maybe something new (instead of using typical necron and mechanicus colours).
Ash color from being disintegrated
lol
fair enough
there's entire hivefleet of anti chaos nids that get free munchies from other hivefleets, because they can't eat chaos stuff at all and megamind doesnt like chaos at all either
iirc nids had necron munchies too but im like 30% certain about that
Nids mostly avoid Necrons due to there being nothing to gain from their battles basically.
Half the fun of de-terraforming/eating a planet is its populace, when you are made from literal living hard metal thats kind of a problem for the Nids
yeah nids can eat metal but they dont get much if any biomass from it iirc
unless them eating the metals of the worlds they consume has been retconned recently
Is the emperor aware of what’s going on outside the throne?
Lmao
I can see big E destroying chaos and just vaporising afterwards
Time to let my son girlyman take charge
big e would gladly kill all life in the galaxy if he could just to end chaos
Tbh I can see that being the only way to win against them
ye but it shows how all that BS about making a better future for humanity was just that, bullshit
or at the very least has become bullshit
I suppose it doesn't help when the imperium itself is so corrupt and likely those who want a better future for humanity are probably executed for heresy
i chose to believe that the emperor has never once given a single flying fuck about humanity ever in his how ever the fuck long life/unlife has been
I kinda hope that some of the living loyalist primarchs have a bit more compassion and drive for the betterment of humanity
But
That's not grim dark enough lol
there is literally only one living loyalist primarch rn not counting mr sleepy head the lion
Guys what cuisine do the imperium troops normally eat
vita paste
Like whatever base we're holed up in
and if needs be corpse starch
Is that processed in a way to prevent brain disease
its made from dead people so i hope so but doubt it
Slab is referenced in one of the books
ye
Given the Imperium? No.
The Imperium of Man is a vast interstellar empire, the ultimate authority for the majority of the Human species in the Milky Way Galaxy in the 41st Millennium. Within the Imperium, entire worlds are devoted to the pursuit of agriculture and the growing of food, providing the necessary sustenance for the people of more specialised worlds elsewher...
Oh hell yes thanks
40k runs on excessively edgy
Idk how accurate this link is 
some is written better than others and kuru corpse paste does not come off as one of the better written lore entries
To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
I mean every book starts with it
I'm not criticizing the grimdark component
Just that it looks like bad writing
Or poor forethought
That the Imperium wouldn't know about misfolded prions? Or not care if they did?
yes unless the TT sales go into freefall
Quick lore question. How do the necrons travel from planet to planet? I know how all the other factions travel but the necrons I have no clue, I've heard several things and I'm not sure which is true.
Unless they're trying to intentionally cull the entire Imperial due to bad diet, that's how it comes off lol
Age of Sigmar 40k let’s go (or something)
it exists to sell plastic crack for hobby gaming
There's dark and then there's dumb
I thought the same about Warhammer fantasy, but 40k is probably GWs flagship so they'd be daft to end it.
40k aos when

And they're bringing back the Old World
Warhammer fantasy 40k when
there is a name for the more outlandish stuff in 40k, grimderp
The guy who runs my local warhammer store said that a lot of people disliked age of Sigmar so they just kept going back lol
I’m still new to the series
Oh yeah, 40k ain't mostly known for its quality lol
I suppose it was a helluva gamble killing off fantasy the way they did
But there's some legitimately really good stories or characters in literature and games
ye
Inquisitor Obi-Wan Sherlock Clousseau frowns on your shenanigans. Personally I prefer it when how batshit insane 40k is, is fully embraced.
But there's a reason why we stopped feeding ground beef to cows lol
I'm kinda in and out with it, love the lore and art but not interested in the game side of it.
thankfully the TT itself has little to do with the lore side and vise versa
I think 40k at its best can really show a lot of humanity and tragedy in its stories.
Below that, grimderp
Each to their own taste.
Aye
When the license is given willy nilly to any creator, quality will be all over the place
It'd be weird if it was lol
ngl some of the stories in 40k have left me with 2 questions, wtf drugs are the writers on and where can i get some
Whatever they were on it probably died with them lmao
true
The bloodtide returns entry still sticks with me as some of the dumbest and funniest shit I've read
As an example
oldhammer was just trippy
Stephen King doesn’t remember writing It because of how bad his drug and alcohol addiction was
Just to give you some kind of framing for how wild writing can be lol
lol
I mean that guy wrote the IT book, you know with that one scene with the kids
Still it’s like
Drugs do crazy things to the brain
Imagine writing one of the most beloved novels and not remembering what it was like
Although it helped his creative process, he’s said he never wants to do it again
i mean isnt one of the going jokes about the 80s that no one remembers much of it?
Lol
care to enlighten my 90s plebian ass please
well i guess i would be more of a 2000s kid
Oldhammer is great, I don't know what you're talking about
i said trippy not bad
The first named inquisitor in Warhammer 40,000
Horus went “This Warhammer 40k will not stop me!” And then proceeded to Heresy on everybody
why's he got a yin yang symbol
Are those fucking space crocs
damn why did you have to point that out?
It’s truly the 41st millennia
Death sticks
Read the original blurb, he has infravision contacts
I respect the update artist for catching that and including it really.
That sounds uncomfortable to wear
hololive is for geys
I’m a furry if that counts
Seems like an odd vendiagram. But to each their own.
Vendiagram?
Old warhammer used it a lot
Venn diagram, sorry typing with my thumbs
I wanted to ask any fans of Gura Gawr, what space marine chapter best represents her
Space Sharks?

They were despatched into the Outer Darkness upon that first Day of Exile, there to ravage the foes of mankind until their final atonement. Their Forgotten One gave them remit unbound, to set about the Traitor, the alien and the Renegade without mercy, and to harrow them in their places of strength. So began their long hunt. They hunt still. Myt...
I didn't even know about them, perfect
Can anyone describe the entire lore of warhammer 40k in 3 words or less
space go war
Alright thank you
maim kill burn


