40k-lore-chat

[stark frigate]

Too much power

[severe sandal]

Galvonic rifle

Casually blow a golfball sized hole through an astartes

[stark frigate]

Only 1 servoskull which does passives or no damage

[severe sandal]

No?

[stark frigate]

A servitor is a whole ass person with a gun arm and tool arm

[severe sandal]

You seriously overestimate the games AI

[stark frigate]

You may as well have a 5th or 6th bot

[urban spire]

servitors are very variable

[stark frigate]

Its also too much work, they already have servoskulls ingame

And how do they summon a servitor without it being too video gamey?

Id rather their special quirk be a servoskull

[urban spire]

teleportarium on the ship

it's an inquisitor's ship, it's gotta have a teleportarium

[stark frigate]

Teleporters can be unreliable

Why do you think terminators have those little teleport machines

Teleporting a single servitor into a tight corridor? They'd never

[urban spire]

they did it in inquisitor prophecy

[stark frigate]

Im trying to be realistic and fit the game already, keeping the team cohesion and balance

[plush mason]

that game is like 90% non canon

[stark frigate]

Its definitely what FS seems to want

I say, servoskull which can either, stun, couple seconds of flamer AOE or lightning AOE, that's it

Most feats and coherency being buffs for the team

We need a support class

[urban spire]

i'd go for a cyber-mastiff using the same animation rigging as a pox hound, if it has to be a pet class

[stark frigate]

One feat tree could buff certain weapons

Big buff for melee
Big buff for guns
Minor buffs for both

That kind of thing

10% for one or 5% for both

[stark frigate]

That, would be valid

Reject enforcer class

[urban spire]

but honestly i don't think a pet class is a good fit for for a -tide game

[plush mason]

same

[stark frigate]

It would be fun, but idk if itd fit, yeah

Servoskull is best bet imo

[celest dome]

Teleportarium are not great because usually you don't have a beacon to beam to

[stark frigate]

80% visuals 20% actually doing a thing or two when floating nearby

Could maybe even buff revive times if its still active

If you go down, it could break

To help balance it

[plush mason]

just make it doot

[stark frigate]

I really want a support class, but idk how or what they'll do

No current class is support

[urban spire]

reviving from a distance maybe

[stark frigate]

Everyone has a special killing niche or crowd control, thats about it other than a 1 off support feat

Id love a reject tech priest or arbiter or something

I also think everyone should have a small passive with certain weapons

Zealot should have a minor buff when using chain weapons

Vet a minor buff with lasguns

[urban spire]

vet has a minor buff with all guns

they get 40% more ammo

[stark frigate]

I realise, the others should have something similar

But for other things

To encourage players to use other weapons

[urban spire]

grumbles psyker should have a G that's useful at heretic+

[stark frigate]

Pysker should have a grenade...

Another type maybe

And their staff melee attacks need to do actual damage

Looking at you, devs

Why does it hit like a wet noodle

A random poxwalker takes like 6 hits to kill with the damn thing

[urban spire]

the only time i use staff melee is when lag rolls back my weapon switch and stops me from charging my force sword

aha, a rager eh? think you're gonna mess me up? TAKE THIS

.

bonk

[celest dome]

Brain Burst is central to the career

I don't think we will have alternate Grenade

Apart from other Careers

[urban spire]

it's good, it fits the flavour, but at heretic+ it falls off pretty bad

i guess this isn't really the place for discussing balance though

[celest dome]

I just think that Brain Burst damage need to be tied to equipement

[urban spire]

agreed

[celest dome]

Then again, maybe each of the grenade should

[urban spire]

sharpshooter is kinda stealing psyker's lunch right now

[celest dome]

With killing the BB target ?

[urban spire]

kills specials and elites way faster

if there's a sharpshooter in the party with a decent weapon for killing specials, you aren't going to get much use out of BB

but again, this isn't really the place to talk about it

[celest dome]

True

But last mention before diverting into lore again

BB is useful to get Warp Charge, and normally (When it's more stabe) as long as you're channeling on a target and it dies you get the Warp Charge

And Brain Burst is still Crush in my opinion

[stark frigate]

I keep seeing random pyskers explode without ever using their special ability

I only use it when i hit 100% now

Or when im at 98% and want 1 extra cheeky brain blast before using that ability to not explode

[celest dome]

I usually use it more for CC than for heat clear

[urban spire]

yeah it's a weird bug, sometimes you'll explode when you reach 100% without going through the "ow my head" animation

yo, ok, psyker lore though

it's wild that they just put one in prison huh

do you think it means we're unsanctioned?

i don't remember the backgrounds for psyker

[celest dome]

The Psyker does say sanctioned thing or close when using the ability

[urban spire]

that's true

(ok quick aside, it would be really cool if G was a charged force blast and F was an instant brain burst on a cooldown, ok done now for real for real)

[celest dome]

You can pre-charge it and charge it faster with right click, but it cause more peril

[urban spire]

pressing an unsanctioned psyker into service is something an inquisitor could get away with

[celest dome]

Well taking a Psyker and using it officially is Sanctioning it

[urban spire]

nah sanctioning involves soul binding, doesn't it?

some kinda process that has to be done on terra

[plush mason]

gryndal is an inquisitor, they can do what ever the fuck they want and if they say the psyker is sanctioned then they are sanctioned

[celest dome]

That's just for Navigator i believe

[urban spire]

navigators aren't psykers, not really

they've got the third eye going on

[celest dome]

Astropath

Always exchange those 2

[urban spire]

ah

[celest dome]

But from what I see not all Psyker need to be soul bonded

Initial evaluation divides the levy into several groups depending on their natural psychic strength, individual character and willingness to learn. The youngest psykers are preferred by the Scholastica Psykana, as these frightened boys and girls are the easiest to train and indoctrinate.

Such psykers are soul-bound to the Emperor, a psychic ritual that hardens their minds and souls against possession by the daemonic entities of the Warp. It is invariably those psykers recruited as children who are given further training to fill important positions in the Imperium as Sanctioned Psykers.

[urban spire]

it does say that sanctioned psykers are the ones who are soul bound

invariably, even

[rocky roost]

Have any 40k lore nerds sussed out the significance of the tattoo options?

[celest dome]

Which one ?

[rocky roost]

I'm only an initiate but I'm seeing keys pop up quite a bit and I'm like "whats the deal with the keys and spiders"

[celest dome]

To be honest I don't know, Magic in fantasy is more of my forte

[celest dome]

All are normal tattoos

Key mean secret

for example

But can mean anything you'd want

[rocky roost]

Weird. Only secret an ogyrn has is that he's been stealing rations from the garbage.

[plush mason]

tbh i doubt that is much of a secret and frankly a general assumption of everyone on the morningstar

[limpid furnace]

Anyone has a compilation of codes veterans use for specials/elites?

[plush mason]

not that i know of. i think its just a local code used in the mobian sector

[limpid furnace]

Back to writing them down in txt then lol

[plush mason]

gl

[celest dome]

There is one on reddit

[limpid furnace]

so far it seems like traxis is traitor guard and random stuff for others

[celest dome]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z2jh3i/darktide_special_enemy_codes/

[limpid furnace]

although sigma minoris for hound is interesting, wonder what normal sigma is

[stark frigate]

A larger one

Duh

[celest dome]

We might find it later

[stark frigate]

Sigma majoris, a bigger dog

[limpid furnace]

imagine a fat spherical dog just rolls at you and vet screams SIGMA MAJORIS

[stark frigate]

A huge fat pug

[urban spire]

imagine a spherical frictionless dog in a vacuum

[stark frigate]

SIGMA MAJORIS
zap zap zap

[urban spire]

it's even more interesting that a prisoner has fought nurgle

[stark frigate]

What

[urban spire]

nurgle as in the faction

not the god himself

[stark frigate]

Preface next time

[urban spire]

rofl

wait, is that for the cadian voice?

[stark frigate]

Was about to tear you apart

[urban spire]

if only the cadian voice calls out codes, then that's because they're a cadian, obviously

[arctic talon]

Both the Cadian and Professional use the codes

Cadian only uses the codes

Professional sometimes just yells sniper or gunner

The loose cannon says the codes improperly sometimes

But usually just days sniper and stuff

[urban spire]

guess it's the standard for the sector

[arctic talon]

Prolly

Traxis seems to be generic enemy

[delicate pagoda]

The tattoos are basically split between classic imperial iconography and hive ganger tatoos (which are inspired by actual gangster/cartel tattoos)

[formal fulcrum]

When the psyker talks about the five rusted towers what are they referring to?

[delicate pagoda]

Something in the garden of nurgle i believe

although grandpappys number is 3.. so i'm not sure why there'd be 5

[arctic talon]

His number is 7

Not 3

3 is just used in a lot of his symbology

But 7 is his sacred number

[delicate pagoda]

oh shit you're right

been too long since i've been into chaos lore

[formal fulcrum]

Also the psyker shouts "By the Five" sometimes with the ult.

[arctic talon]

Regarding the 5

I have no fucking clue

[delicate pagoda]

Psyker is reffering to the normal 4 chaos gods

and

Nuffle

change my mind

[arctic talon]

Might be referring to

The 5 main psychic displines

But I doubt it

Especially with the five rusted towers line

[delicate pagoda]

Kinesis, pyrokinesis, biomancy, teleparthy

wtf is the 5th one?

[arctic talon]

Divination

[delicate pagoda]

riiiight

nerd

[arctic talon]

Lol

[delicate pagoda]

everyone who knows things i don't know are nerds

everyone who knows less than me are casuals

simple as

[formal fulcrum]

Oh the five disciplines would make sense.

[delicate pagoda]

i mean not really, because he's also referring to those rusted towers

of which there are apparently 5

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[delicate pagoda]

i mean, i like the guess

[arctic talon]

I highly doubt they’re talking about the main displinces

[delicate pagoda]

same TBH

inb4 its just random psyker nonsense because the psyker is fucking unstable

like

[arctic talon]

Especially with 5 main towers

[delicate pagoda]

we wait for 3 years

and fatshark finally reveal

"oh, he's just babbling, carry on."

[hollow estuary]

there are 5 Chaos gods tho

[formal fulcrum]

Only 4 are known for the most part, though.

[arctic talon]

4 main chaos gods

[hollow estuary]

Malice

[arctic talon]

Malice doesn’t count

[hollow estuary]

says you

[arctic talon]

He’s weak

And if we count malice

We need to count

The raptor god as well

[delicate pagoda]

sorry bot

nuffle

[arctic talon]

And also

[delicate pagoda]

its nuffle hear me now

[arctic talon]

A bunch of other minor gods

So no

Malice doesn’t count

[delicate pagoda]

laughing god and all that shit, but yeah i agree

[arctic talon]

Eldar gods aren’t chaos gods either

[delicate pagoda]

i doubt he's referring to the 4 main chaos gods, and one of the minor ones

would be weird

[arctic talon]

They’re different

[delicate pagoda]

and rune priests aren't psykers lets be realistic

[arctic talon]

They are

Sorta

[hollow estuary]

well that's like your opinon. Nothing is certain or verified in 40 k

[delicate pagoda]

i know

thats the meme

[arctic talon]

Malice isn’t one of the big 4

Nor will he ever

The sons of malice tried dragging him into real space

[delicate pagoda]

a fair amount of stuff is absolutely verified in 40k

important things. like the origins for the name of our beloved land speeder

[hollow estuary]

He might be the biggest God of all for all we know

[arctic talon]

Malice

Literally got brought into real space

With a sacrifice of 11 people

He is a tiny god

He’s around the level of vashtor

Malice got summoned to real space already

[crisp heath]

Quick question for those more knowledgeable: is there a religious reason behind the zealot's cap making the character bald?

[brittle coral]

Because the Emperor thinks it's funny

[crisp heath]

Its my funni hat

But seriously

[noble token]

Someone said an ogyrn is stronger than a space marine in term of brute strength. Any thoughts?

[plush mason]

its true

but space marines are way faster and smarter

[noble token]

I am pretty sure space marines are stronger cause multiple hearts & lungs and still huge body mass.
Also glands & shit.

[storm jungle]

I read that as the Trapper God for a second

[plush mason]

an ogryn is 1100 to 2200 pounds or 498kg to 997kg . a normal space marine is like 800 pounds or 362kg tops

[noble token]

Uhh I use kilograms.

[open gorge]

Any loremaster that have played the inquisitor game?

[storm jungle]

Martyr?

[open gorge]

yeah I think so just boughte that whole thing

bought*

[plush mason]

also most of the space marine's weight is from their armor not their actual body

[noble token]

Yeah I just checked a bunch of conversation and people agree ogryns are stronger but are not a match for cqc with an astartes cause they're too clumsy and lack the cardio and training and are dumb.

[storm jungle]

Basically

[plush mason]

yup

[open gorge]

Just confused, noob to the lore. Umh how is a single inquistior able to kill space marines?

[storm jungle]

Strong weapons

Marines can die like anyone else

[plush mason]

ye ofc martyr is far from lore accurate

[storm jungle]

yeee

Martyr's Inquisitor is just

"Okay so I want a custodian on my team."

"Say no more"

"I'll also need some dreadnaughts"

"Yeah sure"

[open gorge]

Yeah was thinking it might be a bit off from lore accurate, especially since I just did 1 mission taking out like 5 of them

[plush mason]

no the inquisitor in martyr is the custodian and the dreadnaught

[storm jungle]

that guy is legit wack

[plush mason]

they solo whole chaos marine warbands for fun

the new sister of battle class is gona be insane

literally just become a mini living saint for a bit

[urban spire]

inquisitors are pretty nuts though, they usually have some pretty esoteric loadouts

[plush mason]

ye but martyr is just diablo in 40k

[dusk patrol]

You can become an Living Saint in that game whose also heretical

[open gorge]

So inquisitors is more than just space marines? Remember reading something about it on the wiki, like when it started they choose a couple of space marines to lead it?

[dusk patrol]

Which is uh

Something

[dusk patrol]

So

Basically all of this is wrong

[ashen shoal]

That was the grey knights, not the inquisition

[dusk patrol]

I have no idea what you read

[open gorge]

Ah

[dusk patrol]

A few chapters special chapters tend to work with the Inquisition

[ashen shoal]

Malcador picked a bunch of loyalist librarians from traitor legions to become the first set of grey knights

[dusk patrol]

But none are Inquisition

[open gorge]

yea must have been grey knights

[crisp heath]

Space marines are so boring. Embrace being disposable.

[dusk patrol]

Deathwatch, the Red Hunters and the Grey Knights being the main ones

Although calling Deathwatch a chapter is an understatement

[sudden dove]

reject armor. embrace prisongarb

also did a minor reading up. deathwatch made of elites of other chapters right?

[ashen shoal]

Chapters send out veterans into deathwatch for a period of time, the chosen can then either stay in deathwatch permanently or return to their chapter after their service is done

[open gorge]

Also the warp I don't get that. It's like a mirror realm or something like the emerald dream? Like the emperor is in the dream guiding the ships through openings?

[ashen shoal]

It's an alternate dimension that is affected by what's going on in the real world psychically, but doesn't mirror it. Space and time basically mean nothing in the Warp. The emperor basically acts as a lighthouse for those navigating the warp so that navigators have a point of reference to move about

[rustic dagger]

it's like the nether in minecraft

[open gorge]

ah make sense, how do the ships travel in that then? Some sort of special engine?

[ashen shoal]

Warp drives, they allow you to open up gateways into the warp, the trailer for the game shows it

[open gorge]

ah nice

[uneven temple]

martyr's inquisitor is kinda beyond an inquisitor though. man's the doomslayer's distant cousin

well, discord hadn't scrolled down far enough when i typed that kekw

[plush mason]

lol

[open gorge]

Ye kinda got the hint that it's gameplay above lore when I take of several of them at the same time w

[formal wind]

Anyone excited for Vashtorr?! I don't think he'll be in Darktide but in general hes shaping up to be an interesting character! Didn't realize one entity was the sole arms trader for ALL of the Chaos gods! Since he's supposed to be the "God" of creation this makes me think he's some kind of ancient AI that the Emperor had used to develop the equipment needed for the Golden throne and other high tier tools artifacts and weapons. The beings that fall to him are converted into bionic monstrosities Directly controlled by Vashtorr, making influence over his domain absolute. While he has a normal smaller form I think he will try to forge a Dark Throne that is the Chaos version of the Golden throne, where he fuses his soul and the throne to a Dark Forge World. Making him the warhammer 40k version of brainiac (DC) and ego (Marvel), A giant robotic hive mind that makes up a whole planet manufactorum (or whatever theyre called Im a pleb to the full lore) Since its an older AI this could mean it has influence over a lot of the war machines on Mars striking an unexpected blow to the tech priests and a pretty close foothold near Earth. His end goal would have to be taking out the golden throne or taking it for himself. Even if the other Chaos Gods move against him before Ascendance, he would know most of their inner dealings and use that to put the Chaos domains in tactical situations where they have to stand and fight, or at the very least thin numbers on both sides before he ascends and hits multiple major battles simultaneously. Either way seems like some cool stuff is about to go down!

[thick plover]

He's kind of pointless considering the forge of souls already exists

Why do the psykers call each other sibling?

[dusk patrol]

Because they’re both psykers

Same reason Astartes call eachother brother

They’re kindred

[thick plover]

Astartes call each other brother because of their ties to each other and the chapter

[arctic talon]

Also sibling because they’re all children of the black ship

Arguably

And all went through the same process

[dusk patrol]

I feel like I shouldn’t have to explain why psykers might feel I connection with one another

[arctic talon]

Also they’re all abused by society the same way lol

They suffer together

They share the same struggles

[dusk patrol]

Like the list is endless

[arctic talon]

They all go through the same painful process

[sudden dove]

arent we prisoners then all brothers and sisters by that logic?

[arctic talon]

No

[dusk patrol]

It’s not prisoners

It’s being a Psyker

[arctic talon]

Because psykers have endured far more then any of us

Yeah

Sent on a black ship as a child

[dusk patrol]

Even just existing is a pretty fucked experience for them

[arctic talon]

The torturous process of being sanctioned

[dusk patrol]

Not counting the ships and all that

[arctic talon]

And then being an outcast

For the rest of your life

[dusk patrol]

They see things which are unimaginably horrible

[arctic talon]

Also that

[dusk patrol]

There’s a reason they’re all a little off their rocker

[arctic talon]

They see past the veil all the time

They see

Well

Everything lul

[sudden dove]

everything?!

[thick plover]

The survivors of atrocities don't start calling each other sibling

[dusk patrol]

The Loner has lines about how the warp is far more terrible than anything we see in Tertium hive

[arctic talon]

The survivors of the same atrocity share a kinship at times

Also yeah

They all prolly have horrific visions

Because they’re psykers

[odd palm]

Mmm, having daemonic prescience’s constantly knocking on your mental door doesn’t lend itself well to sane minds

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And psykers share that sorta thing

They all face the same terrors

[dusk patrol]

It’s also something which no one else is gonna understand whose not a Psyker

[odd palm]

As they like to say, every time they use their powers. They face a grave risk

[arctic talon]

Yeah

A normal person

[dusk patrol]

And rarely are they gonna be around other psykers

[arctic talon]

Doesn’t need to worry

About psychic warp wasps laying eggs

In their brain

When they use their powers

[dusk patrol]

Or a being from the Beyond possessing them and torturing them for all eternity

Basically, being a Psyker sucks

[thick plover]

You're kept almost completely isolated during the black ship experience. There is no one there to kinship with

[dusk patrol]

Dude like

I feel like you’re just being obtuse

[arctic talon]

My point is they know the others have suffered the same process

They’re sanctioned psykers

[sudden dove]

can anyone become a psyker? or limited to specific humans? can ogryns become psykers?

[arctic talon]

They’re also outcasts

[arctic talon]

Ogryns have 1 example of a psyker

[dusk patrol]

You’re born with it

[sudden dove]

my questions spawn even more questions

[arctic talon]

But any human can be born a psyker

And it sucks

Being a blank is arguably worse

But it still sucks to be born a psyker

[dusk patrol]

They tend to live short and very unhappy lives

[thick plover]

Your argument of horrible things have happened to both of them so they now share kinship makes little sense

[sudden dove]

and a likelihood of being sacrificed to the emperor iirc from a convo a bit ago?

[dusk patrol]

I would question your understanding of people then

[arctic talon]

I mean it’s only 1000 psykers a day lol

So

[dusk patrol]

Like, do you think Holocaust survivors felt a kinship?

[arctic talon]

Even if you’re on the sacrifice list

[odd palm]

I believe the bonding process of being a ‘sanctioned’ psyker is where they adopt a mentality of kinship, wolf

[arctic talon]

It might be a while

[dusk patrol]

It’s probably a lot of that but it’s also just shared trauma

[arctic talon]

Shared trauma and trust building exercises irl

[dusk patrol]

Like it’s a common thing

[arctic talon]

Build kinship

[odd palm]

The combination is likely the answer

[arctic talon]

It’s why team building exercises exist

[dusk patrol]

This shouldn’t be a complex idea

Why do you think people bond over shared experiences?

Why do war vets go to the local VA to talk to people?

Why are support groups a thing?

[thick plover]

War vets don't call other random war vets sibling

[dusk patrol]

I don’t get what’s hard to understand about a class of people whose lives all suck for similar reasons bonding and feeling a kinship over shared trauma and experiences.

[arctic talon]

They call each other brother and sister at times

What

[sly trench]

I will say, as the child of a vet... brother is so common

[dusk patrol]

War vets aren’t born with a genetic mutation in common which gives them their experience and is the root of it

[sudden dove]

....why do i feel like a licensed therapist could make heaps of money just having an office at some colony....

[dusk patrol]

And yeah

[arctic talon]

They would

[dusk patrol]

Brother, family, and so on

[arctic talon]

Except for the fact

The imperium doesn’t care

[dusk patrol]

It’s common

Also it’s just sci fi terminology

If you replace sibling with brother or sister it’s not much different

It’s supposed to be odd but it’s just like, a way to write the character. It’s a cultural thing or whatever.

[arctic talon]

At the very least I know that American veterans call each other brother at times just due to my uncle

[dusk patrol]

As opposed to him going Hulk Hogan and calling everyone brother

[arctic talon]

Lol

[sudden dove]

hulk hogan space marine suplexes orcs into the void brother

[arctic talon]

Hulk Hogan space marine suplexes striking worker into a pit of molten metal

More at 6

[dusk patrol]

Oh yeah

[sudden dove]

hulk hogan space marine. due to a fault in armor forced to pose and flex after every attack. somehow gets away with it

[dusk patrol]

I’ve been to the top of the spire, mmmhmm

Cream of the corpse starch baby

Oh yeah

I’m unjustifiably in a position I’d rather not be in

But the cream, will rise to the top, oh yeah

[thick plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421865513820618752/995611118187860068/Macho_Man_Randy_Savage_-_The_Cream_of_the_Crop.mp4

[plush mason]

he was from my state btw. literally a legend where i live

[coarse mirage]

In a empire built on daddy issues no less

[arctic talon]

The tau ironically have therapists

[thick plover]

If it's fashionable with the nobles at the time then maybe

[dusk patrol]

There’s therapists for the Imperium too

[coarse mirage]

To help you think “right”, no doubt :p

[dusk patrol]

They try to assist guardsmen and the like

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But they’re less common

[plush mason]

so do the space marines kinda lol

[dusk patrol]

There a short with Eisenhorn visiting a world

[arctic talon]

Yeah and it’s a really nice one

[dusk patrol]

Yeah Chaplains

[coarse mirage]

So it’s more like confession

[dusk patrol]

Until Eisenhorn triggers everyone’s PTSD and gets several people killed

[thick plover]

That's not a therapist my guy

[dusk patrol]

Oof

[dusk patrol]

It is for Astartes

Literally who they go to talk about crisis and inner turmoil

[plush mason]

imagine going to this guy when you need to talk it out lol

[thick plover]

They're there to maintain purity and discipline but their not a therapist

[dusk patrol]

Yes, they are

[coarse mirage]

They’re spiritual guidances counselors rather than therapist

[arctic talon]

^

This

[plush mason]

that is literally the same thing

[coarse mirage]

They let their brothers speak to them so they can spot if they’re fucked in the head

[dusk patrol]

Therapist and therapy is a pretty broad term

[thick plover]

Your being obtuse

[plush mason]

spiritual guidance and counseling is literally a form of therapy

[dusk patrol]

I’m really not, it’s therapy

[coarse mirage]

I can promise you that in real life the difference between talking to your priest and talking to a licensed therapist is very big :p BUT! Both can be therapeutic.

[dusk patrol]

Why do you think people go to priests?

[sudden dove]

because they carry wine

[coarse mirage]

Well we could split hairs on this for a while, but I understand what you mean with it

[dusk patrol]

I’m not gonna argue over effectiveness, but it’s a form of therapy

It varies by chapter a lot too

But a part of a chaplains job is to ensure the mental well being of its chapter

[plush mason]

afaik the US navy still uses chaplains who are literally both ordained ministers and counselors. in fact chaplains afaik have never been full on priests

[dusk patrol]

It’s not the exact same as sitting down on a coach and talking about their problems

[plush mason]

ye

[dusk patrol]

But it’s the Astartes equivalent

[plush mason]

ye

[dusk patrol]

And tbh

There multiple examples which aren’t unlike that

Once again, dependent on chapter often

And Chaplain.

Asmodai ain’t really down for that kind of thing for example

[coarse mirage]

You sit down with a role model or a person of explicit trust and speak your mind with them.

[dusk patrol]

Helsreach is basically a story about how Grimaldus sucks at this part of his job

And it costs him

[coarse mirage]

Though I’m sure they also use it to scoop out if anyones getting out of line, this is the Imperium after all

[dusk patrol]

Sure but I mean it’s both

[plush mason]

hell i recall seeing a little comic that said SM apothecaries on SM controlled worlds are not only the doctors for their chapter but also for the rest of the population of the world but im not sure how accurate it was

[dusk patrol]

They have to ensure lack of corruption for a good reason

[arctic talon]

^

[dusk patrol]

They’re staring into the dark in every conflict basically

[coarse mirage]

Because their minds a weak, unlike the Tau’va

[dusk patrol]

Gotta make sure the dark doesn’t stare back

[coarse mirage]

takes cover

[dusk patrol]

I’m sorry, what irrelevant Xenos species are we talking about?

[plush mason]

lol

[dusk patrol]

Are we referring to Imotekhs massive empire?

Or the Rak’gol?

[coarse mirage]

League of Votann

[dusk patrol]

Or are we referring to that one small spit of an empire of anime mecha obsessed hooved people who never do anything important?

[plush mason]

he said irrelevant xeno not based xeno

[arctic talon]

The data slate of grudges

[coarse mirage]

It’s nicer than worshipping toasters and being afraid of your own mind

[arctic talon]

Toaster joke you must die

[dusk patrol]

I don’t know if Tau should be talking about being afraid of free thinking

[arctic talon]

[coarse mirage]

But Ogryn are alright

[arctic talon]

Lol

[sudden dove]

worshipping toasters you say?

[dusk patrol]

Tau empire is not exactly what I would call a bastion of free thought

[coarse mirage]

Damn it deleted it

[arctic talon]

Lol

[coarse mirage]

Shovels

[sudden dove]

also likelyhood we get to fight orcs in later game update?

[coarse mirage]

Geddit?

Cus haha shovels

[dusk patrol]

It’s possible

[coarse mirage]

Is funny

[arctic talon]

Orks? Idk possible

[coarse mirage]

Hey book says you’re bad hahaha Gotem

[dusk patrol]

I think a different flavored cult is more likely

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[plush mason]

give me GSC

[dusk patrol]

But Orks or GSC I think are the most likely of other non chaos options

[coarse mirage]

Very unlikely. Though genestealer cult makes sense

[dusk patrol]

It’d be pretty easy to justify Orks tbh

[sudden dove]

iunno. i just think we get another enemy faction. just like how Vermintide has more than one now

[coarse mirage]

They’re kinda big and tall though

[dusk patrol]

Most of the normal ones aren’t that big

[thick plover]

If a nurgle cult has gotten this much power its probably already wiped out its competitor cults

[dusk patrol]

Especially if it’s a small Waaagghh

[arctic talon]

Might be a cult in the upper spires

[sudden dove]

gives ogryn's something their size to fight

[coarse mirage]

They’re bigger than people. Like Mutants.

[arctic talon]

Slaaneshi or tzeentchean

[dusk patrol]

Just make it someone filling the power vacuum

[dusk patrol]

Not all

[sudden dove]

and gives sharpshooters an easier target

[dusk patrol]

We just tend to see the bigger ones

Because no one wants a story about podunk Ork wagggh which doesn’t do jack shit and gets wiped out immediately

[arctic talon]

Or the orks that get hunted down by the pdf

Every 5 years

When they start using more then just spears

[dusk patrol]

I think GSC is more likely but you could justify Orks

[sudden dove]

whats the GSC?

[arctic talon]

Genestealer cult

[dusk patrol]

Genestealer cult

Nids would be a tougher sell

[sudden dove]

am a total noob when it comes to 40k lore 😄

[dusk patrol]

But you could make it a small splinter fleet

[thick plover]

Orks are bigger than humans at least once "fully" grown. Grots and snotlings are roughly the size of a child

[dusk patrol]

That’s for proper waggghss

Ork size drastically increases once they get momentum

Feral Orks are often much smaller

Around normal human sized although they’re bigger and broader in other ways

[coarse mirage]

That’s what I’ve been telling you!

[dusk patrol]

A small wagggh could easily be smaller Orks

Or not absurdly big ones we see

Who can tangle with space marines up close

[sudden dove]

possible we get to deal with feral ork detachments whereas the main armies fight the beeg ones in the background in the distance of a level?

[dusk patrol]

There’s a of ways you could swing it

Maybe a space hulk comes into the system

Has a payload of Orks on board who jump off

[coarse mirage]

I still think it’ll be genestealer cult. More diversity, makes sense for a hive.

[tardy harness]

Na for us to kill orks the plot armor would have to be helllla thick

[dusk patrol]

I think a GSC would be more likely too

[tardy harness]

GSC is the easiest xenos to fit in

[coarse mirage]

A space hulk would be a cool addition yeah

[dusk patrol]

Guard regularly kill Orks

In massive numbers

[tardy harness]

Not 4 of them vs huge hordes

[sudden dove]

from what i hear theres more advanced orks with weaponry and ferals which are a bit weaker

[coarse mirage]

We are already 4 vs massive hordes. We kill Beasts of Nurgle

[dusk patrol]

Yeah and 4 guardsmen’s don’t take on hundreds of cultists and beasts of Nurgle and 14 foot tall plague ogryns either

[arctic talon]

^

[tardy harness]

Touché

[dusk patrol]

It’s a game

[arctic talon]

Those beasts of nurgle

[sudden dove]

they dont?!

[arctic talon]

Should melt us alive

Not hard enough lol

We survive getting swallowed

[dusk patrol]

4 guardsmen wouldn’t be taking on hundreds of GSCs either

[coarse mirage]

Gotta make room for gameplay and fun!

[coarse mirage]

Vored

[dusk patrol]

But for gameplay purposes we do

[sudden dove]

beasts of nurgle were described to me as playful puppies who'se playmates just end up breaking cause acid

[arctic talon]

End of the day it’ll be fun

Even if we’re punching above our weight class

[thick plover]

Wastelands between hive cities often have orks. You could have a narrative where a large warlord has arisen and invaded the lower hive

[arctic talon]

The PDF hasn’t been purging orks

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there’s a lot of stuff they could do

[arctic talon]

Since the Moebian 6th

Have them pre occupied

[dusk patrol]

The current cult fucking things up could easily set up a narrative down the road for many factions

[sudden dove]

so beasts of nurgle the most dangerous thing we are beating lorewise?

or the assasination targets hold lore value?

[arctic talon]

Beasts of nurgle prolly

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

The assasination targets are nasty as well

Especially the guy with the plasma pistol

[dusk patrol]

The targets are definitely special bois

[arctic talon]

^

That plasma pistol

[dusk patrol]

Plague Ogryns also are fucking terrors

[arctic talon]

Is dangerous

[dusk patrol]

Plus the shield

[sudden dove]

anduhhh....

[dusk patrol]

Those things are rarer than chicken teeth

[sudden dove]

those eye tentacle things we clearing. they connected to some greater being? just infestation like we clear weeds from gardens?

[dusk patrol]

It’s a daemon

[arctic talon]

They’re just a daemon possessing the machine

[dusk patrol]

Infesting the machines

But they’re not very powerful

[arctic talon]

No real way for it to attack us

Other then looking at us rudely

[soft elk]

doesn’t it also corrupt ur health

[sudden dove]

...i think i remember someone getting knocked way back due to the large boi popping out of the ground and straight off a ledge. hanging there

[dusk patrol]

They probably smell something fierce

[soft elk]

it is a nurgle spawn right

[sudden dove]

nah when clearing the smaller eyes. the large one knocks people back if they too close when it spawns

someone got launched in such a direction that they went straight off a bridge

[arctic talon]

Yes by looking at you

[soft elk]

ooh

[sudden dove]

it staring at you.....

menacingly!

and.... last question that springs to mind on my 1h sleep in 48h and 2:37am brain....

given gear access. where do level 30 player characters rank in strength?

given we've access to lighter versions of bolters. chainswords. etc

somewhat comparable to general soldiers (not space marine level)?

[uneven temple]

it'd probably be scion level

vaguely

[sudden dove]

difference in level regarding the classes too? or all about that level

[uneven temple]

well, idk about ogryns/psykers tbh. maybe the psyker is generally equivalent to a regimental primaris psyker or something by the end

level 30 ogryn equivalent to big boss ogryn ooga booga or somethin

[sudden dove]

interesting

thank you for answering 😄

[celest cliff]

Well the Guardsman is already a “Veteran” - which already makes them an outlier. Had they not been imprisoned for some stupid crime they would have been a candidate for becoming a Shock Trooper. By the time they get into the warband as a level 30 they’d basically be worthy serving in an Inquisitors personal Retinue.

[odd palm]

True, definitely enough experience for inquisitorial stormtrooper by lvl 30. Without the formal training

[rustic spruce]

is ogryn's helmet just a split open guardsmen helmet

[lofty thicket]

[winter vessel]

It would be cool if we could wear Tempestus Scion gear/armor for our Veterans in the game, their design is pretty neat

[coral slate]

Meanwhile the Zealot is just some (possibly) unhinged once-shrine guard who may have gotten arrested on a pilgrimage or something

A Guardsman veteran, a psyker, an ogryn and some shouty dude

[winter vessel]

I feel like female zealots would be a common pool of candidacy for the military arm of the Adeptus Sororitas.

[arctic talon]

Nah the sororitas mosty recruits from the schola progenium

A minority of members come from non combat roles within the echlesiarchy or non combat ordos

[winter vessel]

feel bad for those children who show even the slightest hint of psychic abilities. Some are just killed outright, but others can become sanctioned Psykers if given proper training or sent to the Astra Telepathica.

[rustic spruce]

is that bomb vulkan built that sets the whole planet fire still installed on the golden throne

[arctic talon]

Yep

[arctic talon]

Best case scenario they have enough psychic power to be sanctioned but not so much they need to get fed to big E

[full bane]

Inquisitorial Acolyte/Stormtrooper levels from the looks of it. Which is basically what we are.

[winter vessel]

sheesh yeah, being among the 1000 psykers who think they're special to enter the Imperial palace just to become Big E's mid morning snack for sustenance. The dude eats them up like french fries.

[arctic talon]

It’s only 1000 tbf

Could be worse

[winter vessel]

True. 1000 a day is merely a statistic of 0.01 percent compared to the entirety of the Imperium.

[crisp heath]

Are there cats in the 40k universe?

[crisp heath]

Yes

[celest dome]

There are even Xeno cat and Cat people

[stone jungle]

And Heretics

[celest dome]

Gyrinxes for example are Psyker cat

[fresh trout]

Psyker cats? :D

[crisp heath]

For everyone new to 40k lore, remember that Erebus was correct and he was the greatest person to ever live, along with Kor Phaeron, they were both fantastic and started a crusade that forever changed the galaxy for the next 10,000 years

Oh, and Word Bearers are the single best legion to exist

[heavy talon]

So I was doing some finkin, and it occurred to me that if all Moebian regiments fight like the 6th do, they are some very strange Militarum forces.

Like obviously the rank and file don't stand out, but some if the weapon specialists are just bizarre. Mostly the mauler, rager, and trapper.

I kinda hope it's not just them turning to Chaos that caused it, and more a result of Moebian iron's special properties allowing them to make metal armor that properly allows Guard forces to close into melee. That sounds dope as fuck.

[dusk patrol]

I think it’s same to say a lot of them are fucking insane

Because you know

How they are

But there are brawler guard troops

Who close the gap and fight in melee

[heavy talon]

I thought that was mostly left to ogryn?

[dusk patrol]

There’s not that many Ogryn to fulfil that role, there’s a lot but they’re not everywhere

Plus you need people who can go into tunnels without freaking out

[celest dome]

Brawler analogue for Ogryn are called Bulwark iirc

[heavy talon]

I just hope Maulers and Ragers are a regular thing in Moebian regiments, lol. Just slap a bunch of armor on some dudes, give then chain axes, and tell em to charge while the rest blast away with lasfire

[celest dome]

Rager i think are mostly Chaos/cult things

Though they could have been Stimm soldier beforehand

[normal stream]

Hereticat

[normal stream]

I had briefly inspected their models in the Psykhanium and iirc they didn't look to be wearing the same Guard uniforms? I'd chalk those up to more likely be cultists than traitor guard

[dusk patrol]

They probably have their old guard uniforms but modified

[spark relic]

Do we know why some of the Moebians still wear their old armour but some only have a chestplate and helmet with a beige shirt underneath?

[dusk patrol]

Not sure, we'd need to see their original outfits

Guard outfits change a lot so it might just be a slightly modifed more "decayed" version of their old look.

[delicate pagoda]

only character more cringe than Erebus is Kor Phaeron

[scenic sun]

Beige shirt guys are dregs, not guardsmen

Cultists

I belive

[spark relic]

Yeah I know but there's dreg shooters with auto guns and then there's the ones with spiked helmets that always move with scab shooters

They have to be a different type of scab right?

since regular scabs use thier bayonets for melee but these use swords

I can't figure it out

Cause dreg shooters wear beige robes and hoods and then there's the ones with armour

[scenic sun]

Question for the more space marine nerds, what are deathwatch black shields?

[chilly creek]

Marines without a declared Chapter

For example due to being exiled or being the last member

[celest dome]

Black Shield are older than the DW

Loyalist member of Traitor legions became Black Shields

They existed during the Horus Heresy

[scenic sun]

Gonna guess now they are no longer from traitor stock

Since most traitor marines are deep into the chaos juice

[prime tapir]

There’s dregs and moebian sixth right.

But there’s also the armoured ragers and the heavy troopers (metal helms). Are they also moebian sixth? They strike me as almost khornate or mercenaries.

[barren tapir]

Ragers are both scab and dreg, maulers seems to be only scab

Maulers are the big guys with the welding mask

[rustic dagger]

does the veteran codename for things in their voice lines come from lore? Or it's just something Fat shark made up?

i'd love to study the guards code name lingual

[rustic dagger]

funny enough both ragers are all dregs. at least according to the name tag when you kill them.

[barren tapir]

True, but have a skin for being moebian sixth

[barren tapir]

Pretty sure it is something that Fatshark come up with and GW greenlighted

[rustic dagger]

interesting. it's actually kinda neat idea that guards has codename for everything (except you know.. the mutant)

[barren tapir]

Such codes would change from regiment to regiment though, and some might have just some or even none

[stark python]

Bastion 42069 engaging no cap bussin' fr fr

[rustic dagger]

i mean it's possible to have universal code. we're in 40k where everything can be en masse after all

[dusk patrol]

I haven’t heard it before but I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s from somewhere else

[plush mason]

that is fairly standard for most irl militaries so

it would make sense for the guard to do the same

[humble stone]

So uh.. Are we part of Ordo hereticus or Ordo Malleus?

[crisp heath]

We seem like a Hereticus unit

Though the line is blurred here we are generally fighting bog-standard humans

[humble stone]

Yeah, I mean we also fight a daemon(?)ish. like with the tree and all that? I mean the NPCs call it daemon

[ruby wharf]

do they have the overshields the assassination targets have in 40k

[dusk patrol]

We’re Hereticus

There’s some voicelines for it

Plus as said above it fits the bill more

[dusk patrol]

Typically no

[plush mason]

the beast of nurgle and the corruptors are both daemons

as is the plague tree kind of

[dusk patrol]

The main thing is that Hereticus still fights daemons

It’s just those daemons are mostly tied to cults or secret heretic activity

Whereas Malleus tends to be more like, full blown warp event

But there’s a lot of blurred lines with it

[celest dome]

If its not a big number of Daemon, then the already close Hereticus will deal with them

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[plush mason]

ofc the 3 main ordos just specialize in a type of foe but they can all fight all 3 if needs be

[celest dome]

But if there are way to many Daemon, then they will call Malleus in reinforcment

[dusk patrol]

And also in this case we’re told no one is coming for help

So it’s a moot point in that regard

[plush mason]

like if ordo xenos is dealing with a GSC on some hiveworld and then a chaos cult takes the opportunity to cause some havoc then ordo xenos will deal with them

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

The entire Eisenhorn trilogy is Eisenhorn hopping around between threats as they reveal themselves .

An Inquisitor isn’t gonna stop his pursuit because he finds out that the source isn’t a Xenos but a chaos cult or whatever.

[plush mason]

ye

like the way i understand it is the focus of the 3 ordos is more or less just what determines what they would start investigating

[celest dome]

The same for Minor Ordo

They have their interest but they all would do what is needed for the IoM

[plush mason]

like malleus would investigate a possible daemon attack only to find its a lector and then focus on killing that lector

[true sentinel]

I know it’s been said before but I hope eventually one of the bosses is a plague marine.

Either a boss or a monstrosity

Just slowly walking saying “all is ashes”

They should give the orgryn a heavy las canon

[dusk patrol]

Fs has said many times no Astartes

So unless they’ve been smeckledorfing us this whole time

And somehow no leaks or voicelines have been leaked

Whereas we have had stuff like Daemonhost things leaked

It’s not happening

[true sentinel]

Oh really? I completely agree no playable astartes. That would be stupid.

[dusk patrol]

They said no Astartes period

Playable or as enemies

[true sentinel]

Dang, okay. Sad, don’t get to live my dream of being like Gaunt or Cain and 1v1 one with a chainsword/power sword

Edit: or just demolish their arrogant asses with a heavy Laz canon

[ruby wharf]

i would hope in future dlcs we move from hive world to hive world

[plush mason]

seems atoma is the only hiveworld in the sector sadly

[true sentinel]

It would be fun to slaughter either a gene stealer cult or an Ork waagh

Or a Chaos mutant rebellion

[plush mason]

if we do go to other worlds i want to go to the minor shrine world

[cosmic pecan]

orgyns best

[humble stone]

Rip my hope of them adding force hammers for psyker

[dusk patrol]

It could happen, eventually

[humble stone]

Hopefully

[minor lance]

@thin breach For the female Ogryns: No, not at all. They're absurdly strong and very much serve in the militarum in canon. Just like how female guard, even when there were no models, was canonically a 50/50 split. GW just doesn't know what they're doing with them yet

[broken zenith]

The Ordos might also have other agendas of their own for fighting against random foes as well, Codex: Daemonhunters and Codex: Witch Hunters had entire dedicated narrative hooks sections to justify as to why exactly a Daemonhunters or Witch Hunters force would fight random Xenos. From the Ordo Hereticus' interest in researching how come the Ethereals are obeyed without question to the DE raiding party holding an important person hostage. Or such as the Ordo Sicarius as an Ordo Minoris helping out the assassination and infiltration tasks of the Ordo Majoris, Daemonhunters of the Calixis Sector do have ties with the Ordo Sicarius as FFG elaborated on in Dark Heresy, or the Ordo Sepulturum, Ordo Malleus and Ordo Hereticus sharing common interests during the 13th Black Crusade as the Plague of Unbelief spread.

[thin breach]

ah okay, yeah a friend told me that, and he's our designated 40k nut, so idk 😄

[dusk patrol]

GW just doesn’t have official art or models and didn’t feel like making it for this game

[broken zenith]

There is also the case of dual interest sometimes such as both the Ordo Xenos and Ordo Malleus having dual interests in the Enslavers due to their Warp based nature blurring the lines between a Xenos and Daemon.

And the Inquisitors can switch Ordos too such as Silas Hand switching from Ordo Hereticus to Ordo Malleus after having been invited by the Inquisitor Lord Hephaestos Grudd.

[plush mason]

plus figuring out what a female ogryn would sound like voice wise would have been a challenge i bet

[cosmic pecan]

female ogryn strongest

[dusk patrol]

Also normal humans resemble Ogryn children which is partially why Ogryns are so protective of them, or more in inclined to be.

[cosmic pecan]

Ogryn protect all lil'uns

[minor lance]

Yeah, as per lore Ogryns don't have much sexual dimorphism. There's some shitty old chan-theories that the females are used as breeding stock, but it's straight up wrong. That exact same 'theory' was used regarding female guard not having model, even though canonically it was a 50/50 split. It's just gross weirdos having an idea that gained traction because the setting is grimdark and that sounds both grim and dark.

[broken zenith]

Ogryns, my lord.

[cosmic pecan]

True, but a lot of 40k does have very odd creepy weird shit similar to such things

[thin breach]

that's interesting, ima use that to bamboozle him 😄

[cosmic pecan]

Frizzy do u like orgyn?

[minor lance]

IIRC WHF had some fringe lore like that decades and decades ago. Like... In the 80's, I think? 40K has mostly avoided that, to my knowledge.

And yes, I like Ogryn. Ogryn helps knock heretics down so I can make them into mincemeat! Thank, Ogryn buddy <3

@thin breach Yeah, 40K is a mess of inconsistent canon and fan theories are varying reliability.

[cosmic pecan]

orgyn lik u fizzy

Frizzy can u tell orgyn some orgyn lore

[arctic talon]

There was that one race in Fantasy

that was really fucking weird

but as far as I know 40k has never had anything nearing that weird

[cosmic pecan]

lizard men?

[arctic talon]

no

Like

Uhhhh

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Fimir

These things

that are prolly never returning

[celest dome]

The Fimir are still in the current active lore

Even in AoS with the Fimirarch

Who moved from Chaos to Destruction

But 40k has had its weird things too

Like the Hrud

[arctic talon]

Hrud aren't that weird tbf

they just have time based weaponry

[celest dome]

Not that weird ?

Fimir are based on an old mythos

Not sure from where though

[cosmic pecan]

orgyn wil smash dis

[silver quail]

So years ago I thought I saw some art of the Emperor that was almost skeletal, like he was just some ancient dude stuck to his throne being kept alive through tech. I just googled him and got put on a wiki and he's like, just some Pretty White Boi?

Sorry for the heresy but I'm not sure what to believe.

[plush mason]

yeah now he is just a giant skeleton on the golden throne

[urban spire]

you mean this?

[silver quail]

That's the one!

[urban spire]

that's what he looks like now yeah

[silver quail]

Okay so they're both true

[plush mason]

ye

[urban spire]

ten thousand years ago he was a pretty boy

[plush mason]

ye

[urban spire]

a real twunk

absolute himbo

[silver quail]

I was like yeah wow, this twinky boi is a God-Emperor? I expected like

A Miles Quaritich lookin' motherfucker at least

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-well-alright-then-well-alright-1080p-gif-smile-gif-20622021

[plush mason]

long black hair and a chin that would make gigachad jealous is how he looked during the great crusade

[urban spire]

the going theory is that nobody has actually seen the emperor, just whatever psychic glamour he was projecting before horus killed inconvenienced him

[plush mason]

ye

[silver quail]

So is he technically still 'alive', giving orders and such?

[plush mason]

ye

[urban spire]

not giving orders so much

his mind is trapped in that corpse for sure, and he has allegedly communicated with a few people since his "death", but he is doing very little actively

[silver quail]

Interesting

[plush mason]

whats really strange is big e looked very northern European even tho all the lore i know of said he was from the area when Turkey is today

[urban spire]

i've seen some art that has him looking kinda native american

[rich sail]

bro big E was born in like 30th milenium or something do you think race or where u were born even matters that far in the future

[crisp heath]

Say what you will, I’m right

[urban spire]

no the emperor is a tens of thousands of years old immortal conglomeration of several ancient shamans

[silver quail]

I'm sure they'll still fight over dumb shit in the future.

[urban spire]

he tried to lead humanity more discreetly in the past, but after the dark age of technology he took direct control

[plush mason]

didnt GW just soft retcon that story into just one of many possible origins for big e and his true origin is unknown?

[urban spire]

that's old lore though, and there hasn't been any new stuff

yeah

i like it better vague than "he was actually winston churchill"

[plush mason]

lol

same

[silver quail]

I just kinda wanna know what he looks like now and I'm totally okay with him being a skeleton fused to a throne

Doing what he 'can'.

[urban spire]

he's a big corpse fused to a throne yeah

they sacrifice thousands of psykers to him every day to keep him running

[rich sail]

dont feel bad for him its karma he wanted my boy magnus to sit on the throne in his place originally

[urban spire]

if everything had gone according to plan, the throne would be a lot less hellish of a place to sit

[nova light]

hes powering and guiding the astronomicon right so humies can still use the warp for travel and stuff? and combating the chaos gods?

[urban spire]

he was kind of a jerk though so yeah don't feel bad for him

the astronomican, yeah

his ass is also plugging up a portal to the immaterium, hell basically, though i don't think he does much active fighting

[crisp heath]

I’m sad GW threw away the whole Genestealer cults on Terra, they had a cool setup, then they sent the Custodes to kill them all and that was it

[urban spire]

genestealer cults are cool

[crisp heath]

They really are, I love GSC and Tyranids

[rich sail]

i wish genestealer cults were the primary enemy in darktide over nugle followers

[crisp heath]

But when GW throws away their lore

It sucks

[urban spire]

i'm sure we're going to get more enemy types, probably orks at some point, genestealer cults make sense though

[crisp heath]

Yeah, but how would ya get a beast of Nurgle? What GSC enemy would replace that?

[urban spire]

jean stealers

[crisp heath]

The Patriarch would be too strong

[plush mason]

the combating the chaos gods thing is more just imperial propaganda

[crisp heath]

The magus would be interesting though, enemy psykers would be hard to face

I really would wanna face a singular plague marine in darktide though

[urban spire]

devs have said it's not gonna happen unfortunately

[crisp heath]

Oh..

Disappointing

[urban spire]

i guess it makes sense, if there was one, there'd have to be a whole legion there, and that's kind of

you know, above our pay grade

[crisp heath]

True

That’s why grey knights got their game killing plague marines I suppose

We get to fight a beast of Nurgle

Are the plaguebearers in darktide?

I also feel like Nurglings should be in it

Plaguebearers being the basic daemons of Nurgle like bloodletters are to Khorne or pink horrors are to Tzeentch

[urban spire]

no tallymen, no nurglings

at least not yet

[crisp heath]

Dang, I wanna see plaguebearer hordes

And massive amounts of nurglings

[urban spire]

there's something that looks like a chaos spawn in the intro

[rich sail]

they said no space marines will ever be in darktide no plague marine bosses and no space marine playable char

[crisp heath]

Any images?

I understand no playable space marines

[urban spire]

guess i can reboot my game real quick and take a screenshot

[crisp heath]

It’ll take away from the game

[nova light]

It's all imperial propaganda. Just like this game. They expect me to believe there's just a hive solo filled with enemy combatants all strapped to the teeth, corridor to corridor?

[plush mason]

lol

[rich sail]

sad part is our char and all soldiers that are on the ship will all get purged at the end for getting a wiff of what chaos is

[crisp heath]

Bring me the slopitybilepiper

[crisp heath]

I wanna see that in darktide with absolutely stupid bagpipes music nearby

[urban spire]

nah we're on the warband

[crisp heath]

By just the looks of it, it definitely looks like a chaos spawn of Nurgle

Because it’s no Nurgle creature I’ve ever seen

[urban spire]

looks like any chaos spawn really, imo

[crisp heath]

Yeah, it has to be a chaos spawn

Because chaos spawn are made when a daemon tries possessing a mortal but it massively fails

Unless you’re with Tzeentch, and sometimes he just changes you into a chaos spawn for the hell of it

[cosmic pecan]

orgyn lore iz orgyn lov u all

[crisp heath]

“Protec’ da lil’ttle unes”

[urban spire]

any chaos mutation can create a chaos spawn

iirc

it's the result of someone mutating too much

[crisp heath]

I don’t remember what makes a chaos spawn

There’s a lot of ways

[rose thorn]

I emember a story about someone entering the domain of tzeentch to see his future

[crisp heath]

From daemon possession to chaos mutation to just being punished by making a chaos spawn

[rose thorn]

And he saw himself as a monster tearing apart his own family and children

Then he realized that was the present and he turned into a chaos spawn upon his first few steps

And he was seeing the past

[crisp heath]

Yeah, and we was killed by the imperium

Yup

Tzeentch does some weird stuff

[vocal drum]

are tyranids are problem in the universe?

[rose thorn]

Yes!

[crisp heath]

Yes

[rose thorn]

Both physically and political for the imperium

[vocal drum]

who can deal with tyranids easily

[scenic sun]

The Cadians: "Oh my god! We're actually closing the Eye of Terror! We're gonna be finally freed of the Chaos menace!"

Abbadon:

how accurate is this?

[rose thorn]

Long term or short term!

[crisp heath]

I’m sad I can’t post my meme

Apparently it’s explicit

[scenic sun]

F

[crisp heath]

When it’s literally the cover of the Ahriman novel series

And they gave Ahriman a six pack and nipple armor

The gigachad Ahriman

Absolutely beautiful

I mean look at this

I wonder who decided to make the artistic decision to give him those

[arctic talon]

We're part of an inqusitorial retinue so no

We won't be purged

The same way Tempestus Scions don't get purged

or Sisters of Battle

[broken zenith]

The Fomorians/Fomors of the Irish mythology, the Fimir of Graeme Davis, Jes Goodwin and Tony Ackland (WFRP 1E rulebook, 1986) themselves are specifically based on Alan Lee's Balor of the Evil Eye illustration from Castles/Folk and Fairy Tales Volume 2, 1983-1984.
And yup, pretty much, the Fimir were present throughout 8th Edition as per Storm of Magic 2011 of GW and Monstrous Arcanum of FW in 2012 through the Scrolls of Binding with resin FW minis. The problematic part of their lore from 3E WFB and 1E WFRP never made it beyond late 80s and early 90s. The current Fimir are pretty much sanitised, thus why they were still present unlike the Pygmies, GW never managed to sanitise the Pygmies despite numerous attempts during 6E and Warmaster on the other hand.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120422064939/http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/FIMIR-WARRIORS.html

and Boglars of 6E WD 310 were even hinted to be friends with the Fimir.
And the Fimir are still present as of 2022 thanks to C7's WFRP 4E, the Meargh Mona Mimm from the supplement Winds of Magic for example.

It's a shame that FW's 2016 AoS 1E Fimirach Nobles were originally intended for 8E WFB just like Shar'tor.

[scenic sun]

at level 30 we're just too useful to be purged

if we die, we die

but purged? No way, we're basically elite troopers capable of doing complicated strike missions

[rustic spruce]

we're the team capable of walking through the front door and not immediately getting lit up like a Christmas tree

[urban spire]

also the psyker? you don't purge those at all unless they are visibly showing signs of chaos corruption, sanctioned psykers are an incredibly important resource

[rustic spruce]

my ogryn shield is red, make me go faster.

[crisp heath]

During the 13th black crusade addadon brought a black stone fortress (its a very very very big warship) to attack Cadia with that the loyalists managed to cripple so abbadon said fuck it and had his fleet push it into Cadia causing the planet to explode

[arctic talon]

^

[crisp heath]

So 11/10

[scenic sun]

knew that, my friend who got introduced to warhammer made the meme after he asked what happened to cadia

Wanted to see if he got he had the spirit, glad he did

[crisp heath]

[keen stag]

Cadia stands

[crisp heath]

https://youtu.be/9bwRXiX0cGk

Cadia broke before the guard did

[wet drum]

seen the new cosmetics - they seem to suggest subclasses or specializations in the future. For Psykers - what is a time witch? mind witch? pain witch?

[quasi inlet]

Just names.

[celest dome]

Just name, but certain of them do lend to certain discipline

Like Time Witch->Divination
Mind Witch->Telepathy
Pain Witch->Biomancy ?

But then again, the Psykinetist has Storm Witch iirc

[arctic talon]

Tbf psykinetic staffs

Are all like

Non psykinetic stuff mostly

Aside from the trauma and void staff

The other 2 are dif disciplines

[celest dome]

Ehh, not sure

Like they are Force Staff

[arctic talon]

The electric staff

[celest dome]

But they aren't linked to the Telekinesis career

[arctic talon]

Is biomancy

Is my point

There’s crossover with the force staffs

[celest dome]

Yes, but I don't think the staves will be class restricted

[arctic talon]

Ye

[celest dome]

So it's not like VT2 where the staves are stuck on the same wind as the abilities

But more about the Career/Class will decide in which discipline your Blitz and active are

Like Biomancy:
Blitz: Haemorrage (Cause major bleed on enemy in selected area)
Active: Smite (Bolt of Lightning)
Divination:
Blitz: Scrier's Gaze (Debuff or something)
Active (From Biomancy but fit more): Warp Speed (Speed buff for everyone)

[crisp heath]

I like the amount of psyker types

Biomancy, Telepathy, Telekinetic, Divination, Pyromancy and Thaumaturgy

I just wanna say to the people that have been saying that a chaos space marine boss doesn't fit the scale or power level of this game, one of the new skins in the store directly mentions astra militarum regiments wiping out a group of renegade space marines

:|

Regiments

regiments

That means mass amounts of troops

And tanks

Yeah but assumedly they were up against a large warband

Specifically having a shit ton of Leman russes to do so

A group

Is like

10

And regiments plural

Is like 50+ troops and artillery fire

For one regiment

exterminating the renegade space marines known as the Black Reavers

that implies a chapter or a warband

imo

not just a small group

[plush mason]

isnt a single regiment of the guard up to 250k men? like 50 is the bare minimum afaik

[crisp heath]

Black Reavers aren’t known at all

yeah but it's mentioned so

250k men? I don’t know too much

who knows what a regiments size is

Black Reavers are probably just like 20 maybe most 30 for a group

irl regiments are like 2-3k people

1 thousand to several thousand

Not including the tanks

And heavy weapons they may have

So if it took regiments, entire regiments, to kill a group chaos space marines

We cannot hope to face 1

[plush mason]

ye but an irl army is like a few million tops. the guard is in the trillions if not even higher