40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

Literally

[stark frigate]

It'll also cause chaos to spawn on loads of planets

[dusk patrol]

Also it literally did explode before him

[stark frigate]

He's single handedly holding them back

[urban spire]

it's just a shoddy webway portal, there's tons of those

[stark frigate]

There's also a fucking tear and realspace IN the imperial palace that he's holding closed too

[dusk patrol]

Once again

Please just read a book on this

[vocal drum]

are humans top tier or something in 40k?

[dusk patrol]

It’s like you’re playing a game of how wrong you can be

[sudden dove]

the overreliance on a single person can cause an extinction level event if that person is removed. works that way in many different IP's

[dusk patrol]

And you’re winning

[stark frigate]

He has a dead mans switch, if he dies, the entire sol system fucking explodes

[urban spire]

humans are the most numerous

[rustic dagger]

around top 5

[rustic dagger]

not even close

[vocal drum]

whos top 1 2 3

[stark frigate]

Eldar and necrons are more powerful than humans

[urban spire]

well, not counting the tyranids

[dusk patrol]

Humans might be it’s hard to say

[stark frigate]

Necron weaponry disintegrates humans

[rustic dagger]

nids, ork are way more than human

[dusk patrol]

We don’t really know how many Nids there are

Orks also

There’s a lot

[vocal drum]

tyranids are weak tho these space marines were kicking their asses

[dusk patrol]

But it’s a different deal

[stark frigate]

Eldar pyskers are more powerful than human pyskers even WITH their limiters installed to avoid being eaten by slaanesh

[dusk patrol]

Most humans aren’t gonna fight

[urban spire]

orks kinda keep themselves in check whenever they get too big, start fighting each other

[rustic dagger]

plot armor

[stark frigate]

Marine propaganda, plus nids can tear humans to shreds + there's more types than just those in that trailer

[vocal drum]

o lame

[stark frigate]

Some are 3 stories tall

[dusk patrol]

Now they have to do it against the 10,000 behind them

Nids are weak individually

[stark frigate]

Tyranid guns are alive, their bullets literally eat you from the inside out

[rustic dagger]

here's the same space marine fighting against one of the "weak" tyranids

[stark frigate]

Including marines

[vocal drum]

[stark frigate]

Their bullets and weaponry are alive

1 bullet can melt a human

Ita described in the first cain omnibus iirc

[dusk patrol]

The issue with Nids is they’re numerous as hell

[stark frigate]

It just melts the poor guy from the inside while he screams and dies slowly

1 bullet

Every single thing in 40k is op, that's the fun of 40k

There's always a bigger fish

Eldar may be stronger than humans, but something else is stronger than eldar

Etc etc

[rustic dagger]

Eldar is... eh...

[stark frigate]

Necrons have also been around since the dawn of time

[rustic dagger]

necrons tho

[stark frigate]

Thats when the war in heaven happened

[urban spire]

the lore is kind of a mess, best to take things with a pinch of salt and keep in mind that canonically a lot of it is propaganda

[rustic dagger]

those guys fucks

[dusk patrol]

Uh no

[stark frigate]

Not all of it, rarely actually

[dusk patrol]

Most lore we read is meant to be taken at face value

The whole “everything is propoganda” thing is just from people who haven’t read a book

[stark frigate]

First hand accounts of people like Cain in his book are all real and not propaganda

[dusk patrol]

They make it very clear when its propaganda typically

[stark frigate]

In-lore, Cains autobiography is illegal and all copies stolen by Inquisitors, because of the information he shares in it

[urban spire]

cain is good, inquisitorial archives, probably not propaganda

[vocal drum]

man how come people hype up space marines but like in lore they get crushed so easily but how come humans win then if space marines get beat so easily

[dusk patrol]

Very few books are written with an unreliable narrator intention

[stark frigate]

There's cliffnotes in Cains books written by an Inquisitor, making fun of Cain or making up bullshit to say what he said isnt true (even when it is)

[urban spire]

but he's an unreliable narrator, very self effacing

[dusk patrol]

They don’t

Like

You’re being too extreme

It’s variable

[rustic dagger]

i don't know what kind of propaganda telling the people that said "yeah we human are so fucked stuck between all these OP factions"

[urban spire]

"i'm not that good a duelist" says man who beat a chaos space marine with a chainsword

[stark frigate]

Thats the point, he only writes about his personal experience, which is why the Inquisitor adds more context from other sauces

[stark frigate]

Cain is also a master manipulator and gaslighter who humbles himself constantly to make people lower their guard

[dusk patrol]

He also has severe imposter syndrome

[stark frigate]

That's his whole character

[urban spire]

that's the kind of thing you tell people to make them believe your galaxy spanning fascist empire is good and necessary

[stark frigate]

He's a lovable rascal who is Batshit scared of everything that happens to him, but puts up a front

His first thought during a crisis is "how do i get out of this, what is my escape route" not "for the emperor! I did in glory!"

[dusk patrol]

You know it’s possible for humanity to be on the brink and for the system to be unjust and evil right?

[stark frigate]

He's also perfectly fine with human shields

[dusk patrol]

What do you think they humanity is actually doing fine in 40k and it’s all lies?

Chaos doesn’t exist

Orks aren’t a threat

[stark frigate]

Now THATS propaganda

[dusk patrol]

Nids aren’t a problem

Most of the in universe actual propaganda is underselling the threat tbh

[urban spire]

things aren't fine, and the imperium does a terrible job of keeping things together

[stark frigate]

Also the galaxy spanning empire IS good and necessary

[rustic dagger]

yeah Chaos doesn't exist, just like how there are no Dark Angels traitor

[stark frigate]

Die or serve the imperium, choose

Id rather serve the imperium then be eaten by a tryanid, be diddled by dark eldar or turned into a screaming piece of living artwork by chaos

[urban spire]

i'd rather go chill in the core with the kin

[stark frigate]

Imperium is not good, it is not the good guys and has never been shown as the good guys

[dusk patrol]

Yeah well the kin wouldn’t be down for that

[stark frigate]

Tons of books show how fucked up and hypocrital it all is

But its all humans have

[urban spire]

i could be kin, you don't know

[dusk patrol]

I’d rather be safe on a Craftworld but guess whose not gonna let me

[scenic sun]

You can always surrender to the Tau and hope the fire warrior cadre isn't feeling like making you commit seppuku today

[urban spire]

i could be a cage fighter

[stark frigate]

So, quite literally, cope, seethe, mald and serve the emperor

[stark frigate]

Have fun being castrated and being made a third class citizen

[dusk patrol]

The point of 40k is there’s no good options

Youre fucked no matter what

[stark frigate]

^

[scenic sun]

still a better existance than in the underhive lol

[rustic dagger]

idk necrons seems kinda chills. That Trazyn guy seems cool to hang out

[stark frigate]

Id rather pick the underhive

At least i get a gun

[scenic sun]

(being castrated is literally non cannon too I belive, that's just an implied thing in a non-canon DoW ending)

[stark frigate]

[celest dome]

I joined Chaos, they don't have dental but the pay is good

[plush mason]

i mean. most of the imperial citizenry is third class so

[scenic sun]

^

[urban spire]

non-craftworld, non-drukhari aeldari seem pretty okay

[junior skiff]

i mean you can also have a totally normal life on an imperial world

[scenic sun]

Guardsmen and other humans defect to the Tau for a reason

[stark frigate]

People don't understand that there are no good guys, the imperium was never the good guys either and nobody glorifies the imperium

[celest dome]

Not even 3rd class, more like 30th class

[rustic dagger]

ya mean the harlequins?

[stark frigate]

This is also true

[junior skiff]

they just dont talk about not shitty planets because they arent relevant to space marines killing shit

[scenic sun]

just because you live in the soviet union instead of a fabela doesn't mean it's good

[shy bolt]

the best you can hope for as a human is to be born into a non-hellish position (preferably not in a hive) and hope you don't have to see anything not-human throughout your lifespan

[stark frigate]

There's tons of normal imperial worlds, lore doesn't cover it since its boring

[dusk patrol]

The Tau are just a more sneaky evil totalitarian regimes which will destroy your culture and enslave you

[stark frigate]

Theres also shrine worlds and those perfectly normal/pretty ones where people live like us IRL , but worship the emprror

[dusk patrol]

Just hope you’re born a noble and you can go hang out on a pleasure barge for your entire existence

[scenic sun]

If you're in a good civilised world it is... normal, sure you have your basic necesities met properly now, and get sunlight but... it's still a dictatorship with a state religion. Like...??

[dusk patrol]

Without any ironic Drukhari or Chaos marines showing up

[stark frigate]

Lore doesn't cover it much, but there are normal planets

[shy bolt]

still, a "normal imperial world" means you're living impoverished with soul-breaking hours of labor every day with basically no hope of improving your position

[plush mason]

so they are the americans of 40k

[rustic dagger]

cuz other than those 3 i don't think there's any eldar faction still alive and not in Slaanesh sex dungeon

[urban spire]

and exodites, ynnari, corsairs seem to be having a good time

[stark frigate]

Wrong, theres worlds like our IRL one

[scenic sun]

they make up the majority of planets I am pretty sure. Hive worls are like 10% at most of all planets

[stark frigate]

Lore rarely covers it

Not talking about hive worlds

[scenic sun]

Caiaphas cain novels do

I know, you're talking about civilized worlds

they make up the majority of worlds

[shy bolt]

those are the exception, you're talking about paradise worlds

[stark frigate]

Im still reading the first omnibus

[stark frigate]

Im just pointing out that they exist

[dusk patrol]

There’s definitely some worlds which are fine

[celest dome]

Our world wouldn't be a paradise world

[rustic dagger]

those are still craftworld. they're just outcast lmao

[scenic sun]

population between 3-15 billions, and uh... no spoilers then, just know that he goes to normal worlds

[dusk patrol]

Hive worlds suck but some are just normal

[plush mason]

i mean. most of the world irl lives impoverished and works soul breaking hours so your point is moot

[stark frigate]

Either way, id rather serve the imperium than die a horrible and gruesome death from another faction

[junior skiff]

the point is theres plenty of places where you aren't working 18 hour days, you dont live in a hong kong cage bedroom and you will never be conscripted or see a xeno

[shy bolt]

statistically, if you're born in the imperium you're FAR more likely to be born in a hive or a forge world. maybe some sort of feudal/feral world

[celest dome]

Most Hive World are somewhat fine. The Elysian or Harakoni are from one iirc

[stark frigate]

Noones arguing the imperium is good

[urban spire]

most of those are not craftworld outcasts

[stark frigate]

I don't understand when people think that

[scenic sun]

The imperium is BAD but it's BAD is severly overplayed. Most worlds never see a xenos or chaos threat and are just civilised worlds with some rather opressive laws for our time. Most hivers don't live in the underhive and live lives that are akin to victorian london. No they don't work 20 hours a day, 8 days a week and live off eachothers bodies

[dusk patrol]

It’s possible for the Imperium to still be an evil empire and some worlds to just be fine, where people live boring lives.

[junior skiff]

gw markets them as good all the time to sell models to people who aren't into the third edition john blanche grimdark stuff

[stark frigate]

True and real and people always forget

[scenic sun]

You hear about the bad places more because it's more interesting

[dusk patrol]

People on the internet and not understanding nuance, name a more iconic duo

[dusk patrol]

Basically this

[stark frigate]

They're not shown as good, they're shown as the "hey look, they're humans like us! Buy them first!"

[plush mason]

the imperium is the human faction so for most people they are the good guys as most people see humans as good by default because they have little brainpower

[dusk patrol]

No one cares and Joe smoe who lives on some worthless normal civilized world and dies from cancer at age 60

[scenic sun]

even "good" worlds are like the equivalent of 1960s soviet union in terms of freedom

i'd say

[dusk patrol]

Who married some normal plain girl and had a couple kids

[stark frigate]

The badness of the imperium isnt exactly hidden, a couple minutes in your first codex and you'll be going "oh these guys are fucked"

[dusk patrol]

It’s just at the end of the day everyone in the Imperium has no rights

[scenic sun]

or the 236th guard regiment of planet Kamora who defeated a minor ork waagh and got to resettle a world after putting down a minor non-aligned rebellion

[hearty bluff]

There are no human rights they're there to fight and die for the empire

[dusk patrol]

An Inquisitor, lord, high priestor Arbites or whatever could ruin your life in an instant.

[stark frigate]

I picked the imperium because
'ate xenos
'ate mutants
'ate chaos, even though it isnt real
'luv me lasgun
'luv me emprah
Simple as

[dusk patrol]

And that’s just it

[scenic sun]

it's like medieval europe, which is fitting for what the setting is. Fantasy in space

[dusk patrol]

Basically, most guardsmen have uneventful or fairly mundane services

[stark frigate]

There are SOME rules

[scenic sun]

you don't live in a hellhole 24/7. That's a myth, but don't cross a lord

[dusk patrol]

Probably fight some minor ork Waaggghh and a cult or two

[scenic sun]

or an important priest

[stark frigate]

Exterminatus is not as common as memes make it out to be

[dusk patrol]

At most

[rustic dagger]

for an ogryn you sure have a lot of brain capacity to hate a lot of things

[urban spire]

exterminatus memes are the worst for spreading misinformation about 40k

[scenic sun]

I mean it was common for ONE inquisitor, and he was kicked out. Kryptman be like:

[dusk patrol]

There’s others too

[hearty bluff]

Rules don't mean you have any rights. It's basically just do as your told or you die or get arrested.

[stark frigate]

I c'n count tah 5, thats why the commysah says 'm speshul

[dusk patrol]

But 90% plus of exterminatus investigations lead with the person who ordered it being sanctioned

[fallow laurel]

debatable. If you live in the vicinity of a tyranid hive fleet and Kryptman is around, Exterminatus is pretty common 😉

[dusk patrol]

And by sanctioned

I mean killed

Or worse

[scenic sun]

see it as medieval europe. Most serfs/freeholders didn't get arrested, but you could be stupidly unlucky and cross paths with a lord/bishop, fuck up something minor and get arrested

[stark frigate]

He is literally a wanted criminal and was stripped of his power because of it

[plush mason]

and how exactly has excommicating him gone for the inquisition?

[dusk patrol]

Well he’s protected by the Deathwatch

[scenic sun]

not sure, cause I literally don't know nameless

[dusk patrol]

And also

[scenic sun]

🤷‍♂️

[dusk patrol]

He was right

[hearty bluff]

Ye

[scenic sun]

In fact that's what happens to one of our rejects

[dusk patrol]

Like objectively I think he made the right call

[scenic sun]

he fucks up with a lord arround, gets put in prison

[stark frigate]

#KrptmanWasRight

[dusk patrol]

I would love someone to try to argue otherwise

[scenic sun]

He did but as thanos put it, the strongest of choices require the strongest of wills

[rustic dagger]

of all race i feels like orks has the best time of their life

[stark frigate]

He did help destroy the hivefleet, but he cost billions of innocent lives

[scenic sun]

it's not an easy descision to make, even for inquisitors

[junior skiff]

why not just wait until the tyranids are on the planet and then exterminatus it

[urban spire]

kin have it pretty good too

[dusk patrol]

That’s what he did

They blew them up in the middle of invasions

[stark frigate]

They'd already be getting biomass and good luck getting close to the planet with the hivefleet next to it

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-astartes-3d-art-nope-gif-16794679

[dusk patrol]

To maximize Nid losses

It was the standard procedure during the operation

[stark frigate]

Didnt he blow some up before they got there, to slow down their march and take away biomass from them ahead of time

[rustic dagger]

i mean... they didn't for a time

[dusk patrol]

There’s a Deathwatch book on it

[junior skiff]

i thought he was trying to cordon them with dead worlds preemptively

[rustic dagger]

back when they were called squats

[stark frigate]

Still are

[crisp heath]

Who would win zerg vs tyranids?

[plush mason]

my point is, not even excommunication is able to keep a high ranking inquisitor in check

[stark frigate]

Squats and Votann are both existing groups

[urban spire]

necromunda squats are still around, they're having a rough go of it, seeing as how they're on necromunda and all

[stark frigate]

Squats are just rare and spread out now

[urban spire]

but the kin who were wiped out by the nids were just one votann, i believe

[stark frigate]

Squats and votann are different groups

[plush mason]

ye

[urban spire]

they've got a thriving civilization in the core still

[fallow laurel]

he did both IIRC. First approach was trying to exterminatus the planet after the tyranids invaded and when that mostly did nothing to the Hive Fleet, he deprived them of Biomasse by exterminating most planets around

[stark frigate]

Squat and votann are like subfactions of eachother

[scenic sun]

Only the emperor or their fellow inquisitors can hold an inquisitor accountable

[rustic dagger]

retcons shit never cease to amaze me

[stark frigate]

We need Inquisitor obiwan back

[dusk patrol]

Generally when they could he did, I’m sure sometimes they didn’t but it was typically the sop

[plush mason]

iirc squats are votann that got lost and forgot most of their culture and history

[dusk patrol]

They weren’t even wiped out

[stark frigate]

Different group, same species, yeah

[dusk patrol]

Just took pretty bad losses and fought them back

[rustic dagger]

"they were extinct... but then they live!"

[stark frigate]

And cooler

[junior skiff]

oh god retcons

[dusk patrol]

They just didn’t care to correct anyways

[stark frigate]

Never went extinct

[junior skiff]

writing lore about the horus heresy was a stupid decision

[dusk patrol]

So they let the Tau think they were extinct

Same with the Imperium

[plush mason]

they cant is my point, excommunication is the highest punishment an inquisitor can get and not even that was able to put a stop to kryptman

[dusk patrol]

Just traded with both for years never bothering to set the record straight

[rustic dagger]

that's the power of retcon

[urban spire]

ok point of clarity, a votann is a big ancient AI, the folks who hang out with them are called kin, kin and squats are the same people, but "squat" is a pejorative term the imperium uses for them

[dusk patrol]

Also “excommunication” means marked for death

[stark frigate]

Wasn't retconned either

[scenic sun]

yeah, i agree with you. Inquisitors are immune to almost everything, that's bad and it should not change

[dusk patrol]

You don’t get out of the Inquisition

[stark frigate]

Squats existed for years in lore, just had no models

Never extinct and never retconned

[dusk patrol]

I would say the recent stuff is a retcon for sure

[urban spire]

kin sometimes leave their homes to explore the galaxy, and a sizable portion of them end up on necromunda for some inscrutable reason

[dusk patrol]

But it was mostly done well

[plush mason]

ye and afaik kryptman is still alive so that death mark clearly means jack all

[dusk patrol]

Kinda

[stark frigate]

They just avoided them since the mid 2010s they seemed to be avoiding their "silly, quirky" era of 40k

[dusk patrol]

Only because he is protected by Deathwatch

[scenic sun]

does that mean our rejects will die under the service of an inquisitor?

[dusk patrol]

Most Inquisitors don’t get that luxury

And you know

He was right

[dusk patrol]

Definitely

[urban spire]

killing an inquisitor who doesn't want to be killed, even if they are sanctioned, is difficult

[stark frigate]

How is kryptman even still alive, even rejuv can't keep him alive for this long, surely

[rustic dagger]

well i'm off to bed it's past midnight. have fun serving the imperium brothers

[scenic sun]

let's hope it's of old age... who am i kidding?

[dusk patrol]

Apparently it can

Well who knows

Doing pretty good so far

[stark frigate]

When was he even excommunicated, mid 38M??

[dusk patrol]

I can’t recall the exact timeline

But it was fairly recent

[stark frigate]

It was before 40k iirc

Unless dates were changed

[dusk patrol]

And people can live that long

It’s just after like 400 years

It’s luck

[stark frigate]

Bring back yarrick

[dusk patrol]

Ad Mech tend to do better

[urban spire]

it's very rare for non-mechanicus to last more than a thousand years

[scenic sun]

Calm down ghazkull

don't cry

[stark frigate]

Cawl has lived over 10,000

[dusk patrol]

But normal humans, juv treatments still working is just luck

And Cawl is a special case tbf

But that’s the point

[scenic sun]

Cawl's just Cawl

[dusk patrol]

There’s no hard rule

[stark frigate]

'e wuz the tuffest git we ever knew, ya knob, 'course oim gonna cry

[dusk patrol]

It’s just typically around 400 years old all bets are off for normal bodies with treatment

And it becomes a luck thing

[plush mason]

Kryptman will stay alive as long as GW wants him too

[scenic sun]

I wonder how old morrow is then

[dusk patrol]

Not unlike us today with living to 100

[dusk patrol]

Could easily be a couple hundred years old

[stark frigate]

Marrow got lost in a warp storm between now and the second battle of Armageddon

[fallow laurel]

well apparently Kryptman is still alive in 997 M41, so he's somehwat around 300+ years old

[stark frigate]

The second battle of Armageddon was 170 years ago in current lore

[dusk patrol]

He’s in an Inquisitors retinue so he could be considered valuable enough to get treatments

[scenic sun]

Considering what pysker says, he defo underwent rejuv treatment more than once

[urban spire]

with a mechanicus retrofit you can last quite a while, and if chaos is involved you might be around for thousands of years

[dusk patrol]

Well the question is if that’s actually right

[stark frigate]

Hes definitely over 200 years old thanks to a warp storm

Its mentioned in dialogue

[scenic sun]

My psyker has already commented "His soul his way older than his body is"

[dusk patrol]

That’s a theory they have

[scenic sun]

Oh

OH

[stark frigate]

He was there during the second battle of Armageddon and saw Yarrick in person

[dusk patrol]

He could have also been alive due to treatments

It’s not clear

[stark frigate]

Id rather believe warp storm

[scenic sun]

Well, that's the reject's theory, which is to say unreliable

[stark frigate]

Its cooler

[dusk patrol]

I think both work fine

[scenic sun]

Our rejects are kept in the dark until we hit level 30

[urban spire]

psykers can last a long time too if they're careful and study the right disciplines

[dusk patrol]

It makes sense for him to get treatments with his position

[scenic sun]

then I think we're as valuable as zola basically

[stark frigate]

They give us multiple implied reasons for his age, but none solid, so we can decide ourselves

[dusk patrol]

Nah

[stark frigate]

And i choose to believe the warp storm theory

[dusk patrol]

We’re the bottom of the barrel

Definitely useful

[stark frigate]

Zola is more important

[shy bolt]

is it confirmed that morrow was at armageddon?

[stark frigate]

She's one of the right hands of Rannick

[stark frigate]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Zola is one step below an Interrogator

[stark frigate]

Concrete

[scenic sun]

I wouldn't say that after reaching level 30. We've got a lot of missions under our belt and are VERY competent

at least as a strike team

[dusk patrol]

She’s being groomed for maybe become an Inquisitor

[stark frigate]

He's mentioned being at hades hive and meeting yarrick, which was the second battle for Armageddon

[dusk patrol]

Yes but Zola is much more

She’s potential Inquisitor material

[scenic sun]

Zola started as a reject, or it's implied she did

[dusk patrol]

We’re just useful muscle

[urban spire]

the full story isn't out yet though right? we might advance a lot further

[scenic sun]

I'd compare us to scions or maybe even a bit above

[dusk patrol]

Sure

But I doubt we’re gonna become Interrogators

[stark frigate]

She's an explicator and is on equal standing with Marrow, Shes more important than us

[dusk patrol]

Which she almost is

We’re low level acolytes

[urban spire]

being on the warband means we have a better chance than most

[dusk patrol]

The lowest you can be really in the Inquisition

[plush mason]

imagine an ogryn interrogator

[stark frigate]

Tbh, Rannick is the inquisitor ascendant

[scenic sun]

I doubt we're that low

[dusk patrol]

So there is one in a book

[stark frigate]

He's the one doing grendyls orders

[dusk patrol]

Kinda

[scenic sun]

I mean, it just i can't wrap my head arround it

[plush mason]

really?

[dusk patrol]

Psyker Ogryn lady

She’s not there yet

[stark frigate]

We are that low

[urban spire]

acolyte is a broad term in the inquisition though

[dusk patrol]

But she was being groomed for it maybe

[plush mason]

oh right her

[stark frigate]

We're just an operator, not a basic soldier, but still expendable

[dusk patrol]

But then she dies

So uh

Yeah

[scenic sun]

Thing is we see other operators die by the droves while we keep rising

[stark frigate]

The most we'd be is an operator sergeant -type or stormtrooper

[stark frigate]

Yeah, which we could also die

[dusk patrol]

Being put into the Inquisition from where we came from is a huge deal

[stark frigate]

We're not special

[scenic sun]

I guess it is

[stark frigate]

They make it apparent

[dusk patrol]

They don’t accept just anyone

[stark frigate]

Even the level 30 frame or achievement title for it is like "useful but still expendable"

[scenic sun]

I'd say we're not special, just very competent.

[stark frigate]

Lucky*

One of us is an ogryn for god sake

[dusk patrol]

I would say we’re special but like

[scenic sun]

fair enough on the ogryn

[dusk patrol]

Not that special

[stark frigate]

And the pysker says enough about the emperor and imperium, that if he says it around the wrong inquisitor, they'd be shot on the spot

[scenic sun]

I'd say we're special but muscle special

[stark frigate]

We're useful tools

Nothing more

[scenic sun]

we don't have the attitude to lead, but we are elite troops

[stark frigate]

The most we'd become, is a stormtrooper for the inquisitor

[scenic sun]

if we die, I'd say it's a noticeable loss for them

[stark frigate]

At best

[scenic sun]

we kinda already are, so fairs

that's what i was saying

[stark frigate]

We're not stormtroopers

[dusk patrol]

Yeah basically

[scenic sun]

we're likely just scions or just a bit above at most

[stark frigate]

Not got the right gear, but we're close

[dusk patrol]

Eh we’re basically there

[stark frigate]

Like a step behind stormtrooper

[urban spire]

inquisition gets its stormtroopers from the schola progenium i believe

[scenic sun]

not in name, in deeds though? Yeah, we kind of are

[stark frigate]

A rank below, if you will

[dusk patrol]

Storm trooper come from a variety of sources

And Inquisitors can send anyone to be trained to be certified to be one

[urban spire]

that's true

[dusk patrol]

But typically it’s taken from the most corruption resistant members of the Schola

[urban spire]

inquisitors can do a lot of things outside the norm

[celest dome]

We're not Scions, but we're Stormtroopers

[scenic sun]

I mean i know it's not cannon but in the "All guardsmen party" They kinda become stormtroopers for an inquisitor at some point

sooo

[dusk patrol]

Basically

Or roughly equivalent

If not in name officially, in general rank and value

[urban spire]

stormtrooper could potentially be a veteran subclass

kinda overlaps with sharpshooter though i imagine

[dusk patrol]

I definitely could see that

[celest dome]

Stormtroopers are just Guardsmen that are given more Laevay but they are expected to go in the thick of the fight

Basically what Grenadier were

[stark frigate]

I hope so

[normal stream]

Scions are renamed stormtroopers

[stark frigate]

I want a hot shot las

Not true

[normal stream]

Before a couple of years ago all scions were stormtroopers

[celest dome]

Not exactly

[normal stream]

And scions didn't exist

[stark frigate]

Scions are their own thing

Scions have existed for ages and are not stormtroopers

[celest dome]

Stormtroopers encompass the Scions and Karskhin and other Elite regiments

[normal stream]

"for ages"?

[stark frigate]

Irl years

[stark frigate]

This

[normal stream]

They literally didn't exist before the 'dex

[stark frigate]

But they're not the same thing

[celest dome]

Weren't they in that Inquisitor game

Table top one

[stray bramble]

wouldn't the veterans be counted as a Grenadier/Kasrkin of sort considering their journey through the game?

[urban spire]

dark heresy?

[celest dome]

Not exactly

[stark frigate]

We also can't become a Scion

[celest dome]

Not a Rpg, a Kill team like TT game

[urban spire]

i don't remember scions in dark heresy but it's been a hot minute since i cracked that open, and it's dubiously canon now anyway

oh

[stark frigate]

Only pampered noble children have the privilege of becoming a scion

[dusk patrol]

Not really just them

But they can be

[normal stream]

I'm literally looking at the Lexicanum article and it's all the same wording for Stormtroopers, but renamed

[dusk patrol]

It’s just any orphan of the officer or lord class

[urban spire]

i've been on a couple years break from 40k stuff and the term scion is pretty new to me

[normal stream]

Not really seeing a difference here.

[stark frigate]

They're not the same thing for god sake

Think of it this way, they're subclasses of eachother

[normal stream]

Please differentiate them for us then

[dusk patrol]

So stormtrooper is a term for elite guard troops in a regiment

[normal stream]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tempestus_Scions

[stark frigate]

Subclass

Does that help

[dusk patrol]

Scions are from a specific school

[normal stream]

"Tempestus Scions, also known as Storm Troopers or Stormtroopers in Low Gothic, are the elite shock troops of the Militarum Tempestus.[1]"

[stark frigate]

What eternal said

[dusk patrol]

In the Tempestus sector

But there’s a lot of overlap in skills

And Inquisition Stormtroopers are pulled from both

[normal stream]

In the pre-Scion lore all of the Stormtroopers were also Schola Progenium

[stark frigate]

They're subclasses of eachother and have different requirements to becoming one or the other

[stark frigate]

Who gives a shit, that isnt current lore/canon anymore

A retcon, if you will

[dusk patrol]

I think he’s just saying

[normal stream]

IMO they just renamed Stormtroopers the same way they renamed the Guard for copyright/trademark reasons

[dusk patrol]

But yeah they changed stuff around awhile back

[normal stream]

But Scions = Stormtroopers

[fallow laurel]

just looked intp the Dark Heresy RPG and there is no career path for the scion

[dusk patrol]

Same reason they try to use Astartes

[celest dome]

Grenadier are DKoK Stormtrooper but not Scions

[stark frigate]

Doesn't matter if they USED to be the same, they arent anymore in current canon/lore

So it doesn't matter

[stark frigate]

Love me some krieg

[normal stream]

I'll just continue to call them all Stormtroopers lol

[celest dome]

But Stormtrooper ≠ Scions

[stark frigate]

Can we talk about krieg

[dusk patrol]

Stormtroopers are just like a classification for a certain level of eliteness

[stark frigate]

[jaunty remnant]

I tried to find a summary for 40k and even a summary of half the lore was 5k words +, can anyone wrap it up in like 5 sentences?

[dusk patrol]

Like Kasrkin

[fallow laurel]

funny enough.. in the new Astra Militarum Codex, GW still talks about the Imperial Guard and Guardsmen

[stark frigate]

You'll continue to be wrong then

[stark frigate]

They'll obviously keep using the name

[dusk patrol]

Lol not gonna happen dude

Waaaay too complex for that

[stark frigate]

The lores been going for almost 50 years, lol no

[jaunty remnant]

how about 10 sentences :^)

[stark frigate]

Hundreds or thousands of books

No

[fallow laurel]

they should have kept it, Imperial Guard sounds so much better than the madeup latin mumbojumbo

[normal stream]

Still stormtroopers to me lol

[stark frigate]

There's lore for the golden age of humanity, long before even the horus heresy

[dusk patrol]

Best I can do is probably a ten page paper for a rough overview

[stark frigate]

"Astra militarum" has been used for years, its not new

[normal stream]

Still new for most of us oldies 😆

[junior skiff]

its new enough yeah

[normal stream]

They're still the Guard to me

[stark frigate]

Watch Leutins lore videos, you cant put 40k in a 10 word essay

[jaunty remnant]

Is there something like a website that has a visual timeline with events throughout it or something like that?

[urban spire]

in the grim darkness of the 41st or 42nd millennium, it's not super clear, there is only war. put all your favourite science fiction books in a blender with some iced grimdark and five tablespoons of depression, blend until sludge.

[stark frigate]

Ive been doing warhammer since 2010, iirc they were astra militarum back then too

[junior skiff]

lore video 🤢

[stark frigate]

Do you have a low attention span

[junior skiff]

they were not astra militarum in 2010

[stark frigate]

[fallow laurel]

I know the namechange came when the whole "we need to copyright everything" craze started after the chapterhouse rulings

[normal stream]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Astra_Militarum_(6th_Edition)

You're wrong.

2014

[stark frigate]

Eh

Dont care, both names are fine to me

[normal stream]

Yep

[stark frigate]

Low and high gothic equivalents

Nothing new inlore

[junior skiff]

i have a low guy talking about warhammer lore span

[normal stream]

Same way stormtroopers are the low gothic form of militarum tempestus

[dusk patrol]

I do love this meme I won’t lie

[stark frigate]

Amazing

[normal stream]

Lol I love when the ogryn struggles to pronounce astra militarum

[jaunty remnant]

where do our characters rank compared to Space Marines?

[stark frigate]

We're dirt

Space marines are the elite of the elites elite

A regular human being would never see a space marine in their entire life

If they do, they wont be alive to see them leave

[fallow laurel]

I think we're lower than dirt actually

[dusk patrol]

Medi-medic-med-medicay…Medicae here!

[urban spire]

idk we're capable of murdering a beast of nurgle, that's not something a rank and file space marine can do

[junior skiff]

lvl 30s are pretty good for baseline humans

[stark frigate]

"traxy.. ohh grog it, dead dog!"

[celest dome]

We could kill a SM

[dusk patrol]

He’s to ignore that tbh, the Beast of Nurgle thing is uh

[stark frigate]

LOL no

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[celest dome]

We have the stuff for that

[stark frigate]

No you dont

[celest dome]

Melta

[dusk patrol]

We also can get eaten by a Beast of Nurgle and live

[stark frigate]

We have no melta

[normal stream]

Plasmagun to the face

[junior skiff]

i think four level 30s have a chance against a space marine

[normal stream]

Headpop to the head

[stark frigate]

The power sword or plasma is the best bet

[dusk patrol]

So I guess these beast are really shitty at their job

[junior skiff]

between the psyker and the plasma vet

[normal stream]

4 psykers vs SM

haha

[urban spire]

if you can kill a beast of nurgle you can kill a space marine

[normal stream]

all the head popping

[stark frigate]

Not rrue

[dusk patrol]

An Ogryn can tear the arms off an Astartes if he gets ahold of him

[celest dome]

One of the weapon that is yet to be released (Launch)

[stark frigate]

You guys forget about marine training, speed and their weapons

[dusk patrol]

And we also will have melta

But yeah

[stark frigate]

They could instantly kill all 4 of us in a few seconds with a bolt pistol

[normal stream]

Beast of Nurgle is toughness 6 right?

[dusk patrol]

We could

[stark frigate]

Pinpoint accuracy and reaction times

[dusk patrol]

But it’s unlikely

[normal stream]

4+/6++?

7 wounds?

[dusk patrol]

The Beast of Nurgle thing is just

[normal stream]

Yeah we can kill a space marine

[dusk patrol]

Like, it’s gameplay

[stark frigate]

1 space marine with a bolt pistol that has 4 bullets VS us 4

[dusk patrol]

Or it’s a weak version

[stark frigate]

Marine wins

[normal stream]

4 psykers vs marine

[dusk patrol]

Like it doesn’t dissolve us instantly with its acid or when it eats us either

[normal stream]

haha

[stark frigate]

People seriously doubt how strong a space marine is, jesus

[jaunty remnant]

not vs me, im built different

[normal stream]

marine head go squish

[celest dome]

Don't the Ghost of Gaunt kill some CSM quite easily

[woeful bloom]

How many spells or abilities would an average psyker have? In this case, a psyker on par with the player character psyker

[stark frigate]

Media has been lying about how strong marines are for years...

[normal stream]

yes

[dusk patrol]

So the issue is

A bolt round to the head tends to interfere with a psykers abilities

[celest dome]

No exact way to tell

[junior skiff]

are we in a space marine book or are we in any other piece of 40k media this needs to be clarified

[normal stream]

Yes, but we don't need perpetual LOS

[stark frigate]

A marine could shoot the pysker in the head before their brain pop is even finished

[normal stream]

Remember we can just peek one eyeball out

start cast

and then hide

[urban spire]

that particular aspect of space marines is definitely the propaganda part of the lore, otherwise they could drop like 30 space marines into the vortex and it'd be cleaned up in a decade

[normal stream]

From across the map

[stark frigate]

The marine would know and shoot you

They've not got normal human senses

[woeful bloom]

Are marines sore losers at board games

[stark frigate]

No

You people...

[urban spire]

100% yes

[stark frigate]

Depends on the chapter

[junior skiff]

dependent on the marine

[dusk patrol]

The Ogryn and the Psyker would have the best chance though

[junior skiff]

not the chapter

[celest dome]

Space Marines still die to normal human all the time. One died with a Stick

[stark frigate]

Marines malevolent...

[normal stream]

Man, we really do have some marine lovers here. Alright, I'm out of this chat - these always go the way of "marine always wins" with no actual resolution lol

[arctic talon]

The beast of nurgle should absolutely kill us

but

meh

its fun to kill

[urban spire]

if you beat a space wolf at chess (assuming he doesn't lose his patience before the game ends), he is 100% going to make you eat every chess piece

[arctic talon]

Being eaten should == instant death

[stark frigate]

Im being accurate to lore you fragger

[arctic talon]

as should being like

[normal stream]

tfw we get eaten by a beast of nurgle

[jaunty remnant]

Where do the leaders of the space ship area we're in compare to space marines? Would space marines have higher rank than them if 1 showed up to the mission terminal?

[arctic talon]

getting smacked by it

would hurt like hell

our flesh would melt off

[stark frigate]

Dirt

[arctic talon]

Lower ranked, there's no full inqusitor on board

[stark frigate]

Space marines have higher rank than most humans minus Inquisitors

[arctic talon]

Probqably

I doubt Grendyl

is on the ship proper

[dusk patrol]

Yeah and we shouldn’t survive that is the point

[stark frigate]

They're higher rank than rogue traders too

[urban spire]

space marines aren't part of the imperium's org structure, sometimes they may agree to work with the inquisition but not always

[junior skiff]

lol id like to see a space marine treat a ship captain like dirt

[arctic talon]

Shipmistress Brahms is like

arguably higher ranked

[normal stream]

You're seriously over-imagining how tough a SM is vs 4 psykers. Seriously, unless an SM can charge into CC, the Psyker is gonna win. Just do the mathhammer.

[stark frigate]

Higher rank than marrow, zola and us

[celest dome]

The SM might give an order, bit the dude on the ship doesn't have to follow it

[arctic talon]

since she's the shipmistress

but still

yeah that also

[scenic sun]

I'd say their hierarchy is different entirely

[stark frigate]

A marine with 1 bolt pistol could kill them

[arctic talon]

Imperium like

heirarchy is very

disconnected

[normal stream]

Mathhammer it then lol

[woeful bloom]

How salty or unrustled would these chapters be when losing board games:
Raven guard
Blood ravens
Grey knights

[stark frigate]

No, because im talking in lore not table top

[scenic sun]

A marine cannot order a guard general arround

[stark frigate]

Grey knights would flip the table lmao

[arctic talon]

All 3 prolly wouldn't care too much

[stark frigate]

Yes they can

[normal stream]

If we want to talk lore, then a Primaris-level psyker could just put up a psykine shield and stop the bolt round.

[arctic talon]

Grey knight might be angry

[stark frigate]

Marines outrank a guard general

[urban spire]

space marines are not in the imperium, they are a set of separate organizations which work closely with the imperium for complex lore reasons

[arctic talon]

Raven Guard prolly is throwing

[woeful bloom]

Really? I didn't think the Grey's would be so salty lol

[celest dome]

He could, but the General would chew him a new one

[dusk patrol]

Primaris level psykers are absurdly rare

[normal stream]

God you really are a marine lover lol

[dusk patrol]

They’re viciously fought over by Imperium elements

[dusk patrol]

They literally do

[junior skiff]

marines arent in the guard chain of command they cannot order a regiment around

[scenic sun]

They have a different hierarchy entirely, they cannot order eachother. No one is more ranked cause they are not under each other's jurisdiction

[arctic talon]

^

[stark frigate]

What i said is literally lore Accurate, and i collect multiple armies

[normal stream]

This.

[hearty bluff]

The other thing to note is that for the average guardsman, they may never see any space marines. But in the event that they do, to them. The marine is an angel or demigod and a blessing from the emperor himself.

[scenic sun]

One is part of the adeptus Astartes, the other part of the adeptus terra i belive

[stark frigate]

A space marine could shoot a guard general if they wanted, but they'd be in deep shit

[urban spire]

a guardsman probably would obey a marine though, for religious reasons if nothing else

or just sheer intimidation factor

[scenic sun]

It's like if a policeman went around ordering the fire department on how to do their job

[stark frigate]

A regular guard sees a space marine as a godlike being

Media backs it up

Most guard never even live to see one

[junior skiff]

that has nothing to do with 'rank'

[stark frigate]

They're seen as being made by the emperor, incredibly holy entities

[urban spire]

an expended space marine bolter casing is a priceless relic to the rank and file

[scenic sun]

True, but we're talking about a general

They can follow their orders if they want, but they can just refuse

Legally

[stark frigate]

They'd probably not be fussed by a space marine too much, a little surprised but would still follow orders, even if grumbling about it

[urban spire]

but if a marine popped a general without a VERY good reason, the marine would be in trouble

[stark frigate]

Exactly

[dusk patrol]

There’s stories where a normal battle brother marine disrespects and commands guard commanders who control multiple battle sectors

Like

They definitely can

[stark frigate]

They outrank the guard general, but the general could be rude and tell him to fuck off, even if he SHOULD follow their orders

[dusk patrol]

It’s a political thing

What matters is who has more political power

[urban spire]

also depends heavily on the chapter

[stark frigate]

There's a story where a marine scares the shit out of a krieg general, because he used artillery on civvie positions

[dusk patrol]

It’s the same as some Inquisitors can demand the help of a chapter

[urban spire]

you probably shouldn't even interact with black templars

[dusk patrol]

While others can barely get a small guard force to help them

[celest dome]

They can, but the General can fully refuse without any problem. That's simply how the IoM work. That's how the Inquisition order the SM chapter too

[dusk patrol]

Not always

It depends

[stark frigate]

A salamander sergeant or captain threatened a krieg general because he used artillery on their position while helping civilians evacuate

[dusk patrol]

Like they could try

And maybe get away with it

[scenic sun]

inquisitors are separate hierarchy entirely

[hearty bluff]

How do space marines view rogue traders?

[stark frigate]

I dont actually know

[dusk patrol]

Or be executed by the marine on the spot with no consequences

It just depends

[celest dome]

All 3 are separate hierarchy

[normal stream]

Well the difference is the Inquisition can declare the chapter Excommunicate Traitoris....

[scenic sun]

yeah

[arctic talon]

tbf

[stark frigate]

Maybe some suspicion, since they trade with Xenos

[arctic talon]

that also could cause political backlash

[dusk patrol]

They need a good reason typically

[arctic talon]

to the inqusitor

[scenic sun]

he's relying on other inquisitors following him

[arctic talon]

especially if its for 0 reason

[scenic sun]

if others say that's bs, he ain't gonna fly

[junior skiff]

you will piss the high lords off really fast doing that

[stark frigate]

They need it peer reviewed too

[scenic sun]

also that

[junior skiff]

well really fast for 40k

[urban spire]

depends on the space marine, the space marine chapter, and the rogue trader. rogue traders are an INCREDIBLY diverse bunch. some work closely with the imperium and even the inquisition, others just fly off and do their own thing, might even be traitors

[dusk patrol]

Like there’s no standard

It varies

[normal stream]

Yep, but in the meantime it's sufficient

[stark frigate]

You have to go through shit loads of paperwork as a commisar or higher

You cant just do whatever you want without paperwork as an Inquisitor

SOMEONE will take notice and go "what do you think you're fucking doing"

[scenic sun]

Rogue traders go from loyal servants upholing the imperial creed to a fault to mercenary-merchants who trade with everyone (even xenos) and might even have non-humans aboard

[stark frigate]

True

Some even higher tau and eldar

[urban spire]

rogue traders are allowed to be like that for the most part, it's part of their writ

[stark frigate]

The one in blackstone has a Eldar sniper in his service

[scenic sun]

It's why rogue traders make for such good characters in 40k RPGs, it lets players squeeze a xeno even!

[urban spire]

every rogue trader should hire a kroot

[stark frigate]

Which is why that Roguetrader game is rather promising...

[arctic talon]

The eldar isn't in his retinue

actually

She just helps him out for one of his expeditons

[scenic sun]

ordo hereticus/xenos inquisitors may do that too, if they are particularly radical

[stark frigate]

Oh he just tagged along? Interesting

[arctic talon]

Same with UR-025

The Man of Iron

he just helps him

[stark frigate]

Well, UR is a man of iron

[arctic talon]

for one of the expeditions

[urban spire]

love a radical xenos inquisitor

[arctic talon]

UR is a sussy baka

[atomic pelican]

RT games and media always use a ranger as an example which is funny, since iirc RT never had a ranger archetype or even craftworld archetype

Did have drukhari tho

[dusk patrol]

The new Rogue trader game will an Eldar ranger

[scenic sun]

being an inquisitor or rogue trader means the world- no, the galaxy is your oyster. At least compared to the masses of the imperium

[dusk patrol]

And a space wolf

[arctic talon]

But the Eldar Ranger in BSF

[stark frigate]

Imagine hiring a dark eldar as a roguetrader, jesus

[arctic talon]

is not a member of the retinue

[arctic talon]

not the most insane thing you could do

[stark frigate]

And sister of battle

[scenic sun]

it'd be cool if you could hire xenos in the new rogue trader game, but if you do it too much people start to notice

[atomic pelican]

Theyre surprisingly good mercenaries

[arctic talon]

so long as you feed them some suffering lol

[scenic sun]

so you gotta balance it out

[stark frigate]

Yeah but.. literal sadist species

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[urban spire]

love that the leagues of votann canonized the fact that the imperium's men of iron problems stem from treating them poorly rather than any inherent problem with AI

[atomic pelican]

Yeah just let them feed on ur enemues

Its that easy

[arctic talon]

^

[naive oyster]

Dark Eldar drive a hard bargain but aren't above honoring it to a T.

[stark frigate]

It varied

[scenic sun]

Dark eldar might make for surprisingly good mercenaries if you give them what they want, same with freebottas

but... still, it's a high risk

high reward

[atomic pelican]

I played a wrack doctor for a RT crew once. I fed on patients pain during treatment

It was fun

[arctic talon]

Freebootas

[stark frigate]

The ship AI in the death of integrity respected humans until having their captain killed by zealots and seeing how humanity had fallen, referring to then as primitives

[arctic talon]

are way riskier

[tranquil siren]

In one of the later Eisenhorn novels, Ravenor has a farseer in his retinue, which is just noticed by Eisenhorn's gang then ignored (I've not read the Ravenor novels)

[atomic pelican]

It was also good encouragement to not get hurt

[arctic talon]

then a like

Dark Eldar

[dusk patrol]

So not really

It just showed that if you have a society ruled by AI it works out ok or can

[scenic sun]

one of my friends played a Tau guide for a rogue trader that wanted to make a big profit trading within the eastern sector

was fun

[dusk patrol]

And there’s a lot of implied sinister elements to it

[stark frigate]

Alot of AI were just like "wait we're literally better than you, why not just fucking kill you all"

So they did

[urban spire]

the leagues have coexisted with AI for millennia without running into the problems of the imperium, and the votann themselves even have a psychic presence in the warp

[dusk patrol]

There’s no one reason why the DAoT ended badly

[arctic talon]

You forgot the part where the Kin don't know

[dusk patrol]

Yes because their AI won the war

[arctic talon]

what happened to their ancestors lol

[normal stream]

Death of Integrity AI

[tranquil siren]

Check out Vaults of Terra: The Carrion Throne 😅

[arctic talon]

they'er just gone

[dusk patrol]

And are controlling them

[arctic talon]

The Kin are 100% being controlled by the Votaan

[dusk patrol]

Like it’s not one thing

Y’all looking at it too black and white

[normal stream]

Which one was this?

[scenic sun]

40k is rarely black and white

[stark frigate]

Still got a lot of reading to do, got cains first omnibus, all of Eisenhorns and book 1 - 13 for tanith first and only

[dusk patrol]

We don’t even know for sure why the AI turned bad

It likely wasn’t one reason

[stark frigate]

40k is various shades of grey and darker grey

[scenic sun]

might even be just an error of code, imagine

[stark frigate]

40k shades of grey, if you will

[tranquil siren]

Book 3, I think

[normal stream]

Curious if there's been any new ravenor novels since I finished them

[stark frigate]

[scenic sun]

maybe tzeench put some scrap code, who knows

[dusk patrol]

The Votann don’t prove much though beyond AI are cool if you let them make their own people and control their entire lives.

Which is still a nice life for them

[stark frigate]

Yeah AI like being in control and treated equally

[scenic sun]

I mean at this point the Votann are the machine equivalent of a 90 year old man with severe dementia

[dusk patrol]

Also yeah

[scenic sun]

They can't exercise that much control

[dusk patrol]

It’s only cool when the Pc works

Some Votann are new though

[scenic sun]

poor kin can't open the excel of grudges because it runs on windows xp 😦

[stark frigate]

Love this channel

[urban spire]

the votann are an important part of the kin reproductive cycle and try to help when the kin ask them for help, it's beautiful symbiosis

[normal stream]

In the Ravenor series or Eisenhorn v Ravenor one?

[stark frigate]

Windows 40k

Windows: 42nd millennium edition

[scenic sun]

I once wanted to make a short campaign where my party goes to a bunker to get some old tech for a rogue trader, and they find shit like windows and old ass american flags

damm, you just reminded me of that

[stark frigate]

That would be absolutely insanely old in 40k

And they would think its shit

[dusk patrol]

One of the Bequin books has a USSR satellite show up

[stark frigate]

America is a distant memory, even on terra

[urban spire]

anyway the votann make up a very small portion of the AI in the leagues, most AI are ironkin, who are socially equal to kin

[scenic sun]

it'd be future america, like america left earth and colonised other planets, as did other nations of earth

it isn't a vault in terra

[stark frigate]

Idk if america existed when they explored ofher planets, humanity was a united utopia at that point

[scenic sun]

it'd be like 17th millenium or something like that old, just as a little wink

It's never said if they were unified

[stark frigate]

And humanity became a utopia in 27m

[scenic sun]

I always saw it more of a confederation, with most nations still being there

[stark frigate]

27,000

Either 27m or 28m

According to the AI in death of integrity

[scenic sun]

the golden age just lasted 1k yers?

what?

[stark frigate]

No

[scenic sun]

oh

[stark frigate]

When they reached their absolute peak

[storm jungle]

ıt wasnt really a confederation

[stark frigate]

Before the fall

[storm jungle]

more just a lot of pockets of humanity going in to do their own shit

Fenris was literally jurassic park

but replace dinos with wolves

[stark frigate]

Check out "the death of integrity" AI interaction, its at the end of the book

Its gone insane after it's pilot "bondmate" was murdered

[scenic sun]

Well, then maybe my idea would have been possible still. It'd be still a "america but way into the future" It wouldn't be the 56 star flag

[storm jungle]

I mean maybe?

[scenic sun]

more like a SCI-FI flag of america, with different names, but still recognisible

[storm jungle]

when we go into space and colonize i doubt nations will carry meaning anymore

[stark frigate]

I dont think america existed during the golden age of man

Humanity was a united utopia

[tranquil siren]

Eisenhorn 3

[stark frigate]

No war

[scenic sun]

hmmm... shame

[storm jungle]

Again not united

DAOT humans still fought each other

[dusk patrol]

^

[scenic sun]

oh

[storm jungle]

it was more just everyone doing their own thing

[dusk patrol]

It’s also why saying there’s one reason the AI uprising happened is stupid

[stark frigate]

The AI described it as a utopia with no war

[storm jungle]

at the end of the day humans are simple creatures

[dusk patrol]

It as a lot of different reasons

[stark frigate]

True

[storm jungle]

It was generalizing

[vocal drum]

what can a human do to gain insane power in 40k universe

[storm jungle]

there wasnt constant war

[scenic sun]

Is what the AI says reliable?

[dusk patrol]

Also

[storm jungle]

but people still killed each other

[dusk patrol]

It’s a dumb AI for some cargo ship

[storm jungle]

Kill shit or be born rich.

[dusk patrol]

Which went insane in the warp

[urban spire]

worship chaos

[stark frigate]

Yes, it hates humans and is gloating at them with how far they've fallen and how much they've lost, its very reliable

[scenic sun]

Be lucky

[vocal drum]

what happens when u worship chaos

[normal stream]

Ty!

[storm jungle]

You get cool powers

like rotting skin

[urban spire]

nothing but good things

[stark frigate]

Whispers until you start killing people

[hearty bluff]

Honestly, if we're all expecting a star trek future. You'd be sorely mistaken i feel it's gonna be more akin to the cyberpunk 2077 world.

[stark frigate]

If its khorne anyway

[stark frigate]

Agreed

[storm jungle]

Hot take but i legit doubt humanity is ever gonna leave earth too

[atomic pelican]

1% become epic sorcerer
99% die

Better odds than ur average manufactorum worker

[storm jungle]

we're probably gonna die on this rock

[scenic sun]

don't ask if it's slaneesh

[vocal drum]

if u worship chaos do you get infested like the enemies in this game?

[urban spire]

the world is cyberpunk RIGHT NOW, don't gotta wait for 77

[stark frigate]

Also agreed

[storm jungle]

You really need to read the wiki

[stark frigate]

Yes

[hearty bluff]

The 1% will colonise the moon and watch us mere peasants explode xD

[scenic sun]

live until 50 with incredibly painful chronic conditions
Die

sometimes you get shipped to the guard

then it's a lottery if you survive

[stark frigate]

And yeah please read a wiki or book or watch a lore video

[storm jungle]

^

this is basically like asking

"What is jesus"

its a long story

[scenic sun]

well, you get shipped to the pdf first

[arctic talon]

Also

[stark frigate]

Yeah..

[arctic talon]

Sometimes if you worship chaos

You explode

Into a funny creature

[dusk patrol]

My man was asking us to summarize who the Emperor was earlier

Like

[stark frigate]

Yeah, almost 50 years of 40k lore to explain

[arctic talon]

Because you get too many blessings

[urban spire]

if you're REALLY unlucky you'll get press ganged onto a ship as a serf

[dusk patrol]

It’s fine wanting to know

But it’s hard to summarize on discord

[storm jungle]

Yeah its more that the subject would not fit into a discord chat

[arctic talon]

You’ll be press ganged into the refueling crew 💀

[scenic sun]

sometimes you just explode without good reason if you've been a particularly naughty psyker

[stark frigate]

Everytime a friend asks whats happening in darktide, my brain fries trying to fit 50 years into a nutshell

[scenic sun]

F

[arctic talon]

Mfw not even naughty

You just explode

Because the warp is a bit tough to breach today

[hearty bluff]

Honestly everyone asks what is emperor of mankind, but no one asks how is emperor of mankind

[scenic sun]

he's taking a shit

[urban spire]

(he is not well)

[arctic talon]

The corpse emperor is on the throne

[dusk patrol]

“Yeah just summarize 50 years of lore for me mkaythxbye”

[scenic sun]

leave him be

[stark frigate]

This is true

[woeful bloom]

When is emperor?

[storm jungle]

At least Warhammer Fantasy is simpler

[arctic talon]

He’s alive now technically

Lol

[stark frigate]

Some daemons will use you as a gateway, making you explode and they spawn into the world

[storm jungle]

"Its our world, but more magical creatures. Humans are in Not-Europe, now go kill the giant rats."

[urban spire]

i love warhammer fantasy, i hope they bring it back

[arctic talon]

The brain wasps

Use you as a nest

[scenic sun]

Technically speaking, in cannon, the emperor of mankind could be watching this conversation... RIGHT NOW

[urban spire]

give me an alternate timeline or something

[woeful bloom]

Are all non nurgle daemons stinky?

[scenic sun]

nah

[stark frigate]

No

[arctic talon]

We’re getting the old world back

[stark frigate]

Khorne bloodthirsters smell of brimstone and stale blood

[scenic sun]

khorne ones are bloody or fire

yeah

[woeful bloom]

What does tzeentch have the smell of

[scenic sun]

tzeencht ones normally will have wings, plumes, tentacles

[arctic talon]

Everything

[stark frigate]

Expired milk

[scenic sun]

it changes constantly

[urban spire]

slaaneshi stuff usually smells pretty alright

[arctic talon]

It’s an assault on your senses

Slaanesh prolly smells like blood

And food

[scenic sun]

and money

[stark frigate]

I imagine tzeentch daemons smell of something different everytime you breathe near it

[scenic sun]

and a word I cannot say because i fear it's banned

[urban spire]

the most expensive spices, the most decadent perfumes

[stark frigate]

Slaanesh daemons would smell fucking horrible

[hearty bluff]

Slaneesh is definitely a mixture of scents xD

[scenic sun]

like their flames, i love how sometimes flames of tzeencht just burn you, others they freeze you

sometimes you just grow an eye