40k-lore-chat

[spring cedar]

I'm hiring a lawyer so Witchfinder cant come after me

[dusk patrol]

Are you a witch?

[spring cedar]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Well then you have nothing to fear

[spring cedar]

I mean, Salem begs to differ

[dusk patrol]

Idk what a talking cat has to do with this conversation.

He’s probably dead anyways

[spring cedar]

True but he was an incredible cat

The most satanic cat of all

[crude frost]

Who are the Water Guild in Darktide? We go through their base in one of the maps and the comments towards them seem to be mostly negative.

[ripe ravine]

don't think there are any Darktide specific details on them but if they're anything like the Necromunda water guild, they are responsible for distributing all the hive's usable water

[dusk patrol]

^

They controlled all or a sizable part of the water in the hive most likely

Or at least in that section

[crude frost]

Just wondering because its mentioned that the guild would throw people off the bridge and most of the dialogue lines are negative towards them

[ripe ravine]

if you pick Branx Magna as your origin world, you can choose the Sludger childhood which has the following description: "Most of a hive world's potable water is imported from agri-worlds, but supplemented by huge purifier stations, which collect water from underground streams, polluted rivers, or atmospheric condensers. Given the enormously high levels of radiation and industrial pollution topside, purifiers run non-stop to ensure the water supply falls within acceptable toxicity parameters."

they are most likely very corrupt, think organized crime

[ashen shoal]

it's also the whole purpose of that purifcation mission, you're cleaning up a nurglite infestation so people can get their clean water

[crude frost]

ah cheers

[ripe ravine]

or were pre-chaos attack

[crude frost]

I hope we will get more darktide lore in the future

[spring cedar]

Mate the game isnt even out yet

[crude frost]

I'm not complaining, i'm genuinely interested in the worldbuilding#

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because no criminal enterprise that provides common supply to folk in need are exactly good people

[spring cedar]

Trust me Abnett gon do this game good

[storm jungle]

its basically like the mafia

but instead of providing "protection" for you they give you pure water for things

[spring cedar]

I'm not even a loyalist

And even I know he's kick arse

[ripe ravine]

they're probably throwing people off bridges for not being able to pay back debts for water

like loan sharks

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly

"cartel" is in their name so

though if they were dumb enough to side with chaos cultists to destroy the other gangs that says a lot about them

[plush mason]

like who are the other cultists we see?

[spring cedar]

Nurgle?

[storm jungle]

Other cultists?

[plush mason]

well the cult is fighting someone else down there

[spring cedar]

Yes the ones who arent in the cult

[storm jungle]

Oh lmao

yeah the dead bodies you find atm are just really nicely modelled enforcers and other guardsman

[spring cedar]

OR do you mean scabs vs dregs?

[plush mason]

we see their bodies in the unload fake recon reports mission

[storm jungle]

that im not exactly sure of without pics

[plush mason]

all i know is they have purple uniforms as the bodies we get the idents off of all have purple tunics

[storm jungle]

AH

i think just infected workers of some kind? Their logo on the back of their robes doesnt really ring a bell

[arctic talon]

Those are part of the water cartel I think @storm jungle

I could be wrong

But the purple colored robes

Match the cartels purple like banners

[plush mason]

k

so the cartel is fighting the cult

and getting its ass kicked

[storm jungle]

I dont think so because Zola does say they sided with the cult to wipe out the other gangs, so some extra irony there

[storm jungle]

Yeee

they got the skull in the triangle with the wavy-water symbol beneath it on the back of their robes iirc

[arctic talon]

I’m assuming

The water cartel

Got turned on lul

[plush mason]

likely

[arctic talon]

Since they show a ton of

Nurgle infection like decay

And also there’s some poxwalkers

In their colors iirc

[plush mason]

yeah i have seen those

[arctic talon]

But I’m assuming the water cartel got wiped out

Or are close to it

[plush mason]

so who is supplying the hive's water now?

[arctic talon]

Prolly automatic systems

[tight crater]

How do I spell translythopede correctly so I can see if there are any images showing what it looks like?

[arctic talon]

A what now

Like the necromunda things?

[tight crater]

in malleus they ride a translythopede and I can't find any information on it in any of the wikis so I think I'm misspelling it

I listening to the audio book so I don't know it's spelling

oh I should have asked the book club sorry

[spring cedar]

NObody "supplies" it, it's recycled

[woeful ginkgo]

Got a picture of the massive shell loaded into an Ogryn shotgun. Does anyone know what all the numbers at the bottom means?

[plush mason]

i use to know what those mean as they are literally on like every shell casing in the world but i forgot

[rustic spruce]

usually those words and numbers pertain to the manufacturer and caliber of the round

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

Prolly indicates the forgeworld + caliber

[plush mason]

arent those symbols on the sides called proof marks or something?

[arctic talon]

I think?

I’m more suprised it doesn’t have any admech symbols on it lol

[plush mason]

well it clearly shows that the munitorum has produced it

[arctic talon]

I’m assuming the munitorium means

It was produced for the munitorium

[woeful ginkgo]

17/20 - 1057/51

[arctic talon]

The munitorium doesn’t make stuff

They store and ship stuff

[woeful ginkgo]

thats the numbers

[arctic talon]

And like

Fill out data forms

[woeful ginkgo]

the 1 in 1057 may just be a symbol, I cant tell

[plush mason]

if its like real world shotgun shell headstamps the 17/20 is the pellet size

[coral slate]

Lore question outta left field entirely

So I know the Iron Hands and the Mechanicus are relatively chummy, and Ferrus had ideals that the Mechanicus would probably respect. What did Ferrus think of the Mechanicus? ;0

[plush mason]

the mechanicus didnt exist when he was alive

there was the mechanicum

[coral slate]

woah really? I thought their organization was around since the horus heresy at least

[plush mason]

yes and no

the mechanicum was a lot like the modern mechanicus but a lot more independent from the wider imperium

ofc when horus attacked sol most of the mechanicum joined his side and became the dark mechanicum

[coral slate]

i see, thanks for the info!

[quasi wagon]

The mechanicum back then was relatively relaxed in terms of introducing new weapons and generally speaking new inventions compared to the current 40k mechanicus. Belesarius Cawl would have been branded a traitor and tech heretic if he tried to improve the Space Marines in the current 40k time line. Maybe the imperium would have executed him if not for the fact he helped to bring back Guilliman.

Actually the Primaris Space Marines right now were envisioned by the emperor himself, but they could not be completed because of the horus heresy. The grey knights or the Deathwatch were later introduced as answeres to certain problems arising through the horus heresy. They were not intended from the beginning of the Space Marine program.

Especially the grey knights would be eradicated by some of the more zealous inquisitors if they knew about the fact that the grey knight were made with the help of traitor gene seed.

[alpine ingot]

it's funny how in pretty much every story cutscene level 2 onwards you see them. then you see Lauren from accounting get gunned down by your supervisor so you get a promotion from an intern to a full time worker.

I think someone has already tried to send an assassin after Roboute... and man that did not pan out well for them. That said I cannot for the life of me remember where I read that, but I could have sworn it was a high lord of terra that did it.

[ashen shoal]

I don't believe anyone sent assassins after Guilliman, but the master of assassins did send assassins to kill off seditious High Lords in the book "The Regent's Shadow"

Guilliman makes a show of having the head of the Navigator houses flogged in public

[alpine ingot]

I mean, I really wouldn't put it past a noble or high lord to drunk on power to try it, there is a fair few cases in 40k where people do shit that'll screw them over pretty quickly just so they can say in the next immediate instance that they won in some fashion.

[chrome sonnet]

The alpha legion took a crack at him on macragge, but that's the only assassination attempt i'm aware of. No imperial assassins.

[uneven temple]

interacting with xenos isn't always an assassin sentence. Ravenor was known to collaborate on occasion with Eldar, Rostov rolls with a Chikanti in his retinue, etc etc. Depends on the situation, circumstances, and how much power you have relative to your peers

[crisp heath]

also ifrael stern has her harlequin bodyguard

[dusk patrol]

Rogue Traders are often paid to do it

It’s part of their job

Same with Inquisitors to some extent

[arctic talon]

||Iirc they’re in like the first cutscene ever when you arrive on the morningstar||

[coarse mirage]

I’ve learned about the Leagues of Votann and I don’t think I like it.

[arctic talon]

||Yeah they’re in the first cutscene||

[coarse mirage]

It’s just space dwarves. So much so that they both sound and look like Deep Rock Galactic…

[arctic talon]

Except they were prolly designed before drg blew up

And are nothing like them from an actual lore perspective

[coarse mirage]

Very typical dwarfs

[arctic talon]

I mean

Yeah

They’re based on warhammer fantasy dwarfs

• khadron overlords from age of sigmar

[coarse mirage]

They even have a thing called Grimnyr. It’s not subtle

[arctic talon]

I mean

Obviously

Bunch of people have been asking for squats again

Since 7e

[coarse mirage]

They seem so perfect too

[arctic talon]

They’re a surveillance state

And also they worship a computer

Or rather an AI

That’s slow as shit

[coarse mirage]

Hey kids I’m a computer stop all the downloadin

[arctic talon]

The day the votaan stop working

They’re gona die out

[coarse mirage]

Hm I see

[arctic talon]

So turns out the ||traitor is in a bunch of different cutscenes||

Level 30 spoilers

[coarse mirage]

Well that gives them a bit more color

[uneven temple]

stern's kinda hunted by everyone though, mostly for being a wildcard goku, less about the harlequin

[coarse mirage]

I remember reading the comics about Stern

[uneven temple]

she's cracked lmao

[coarse mirage]

I don’t remember the story though

[crisp heath]

oh i was more tossing it in as imperium folks who work with xenos, i only partially read the whole thing lol

[coarse mirage]

She’s as psychic sister or something?

[crisp heath]

yeah, she was born out of a weird pizza ball of sisters

[arctic talon]

Weird as fuck character

Cool tho

[coarse mirage]

I remember that ball of skinned people

[crisp heath]

i fucking love sisters man, they have some of the neatest characters

[rustic spruce]

since tyranids are essentially made from meat soup, i wonder what they taste like.

[arctic talon]

Death

Their flesh is toxic

[rustic spruce]

gotta love how that one species of warp traveling crocodiles is canon

[waxen condor]

so is there a lore reason the aquila for player characters is on right breast but mourningstar NPCs have it on their left

[plush mason]

a what now?

[arctic talon]

There’s warp wasps that plant eggs in your brain

And then the babies explode out of your brain and go into the warp

[woeful bloom]

Yeah is there any significance to the reveal? It felt completely pointless as a plot line that went nowhere

Like I don't understand what was the point

[plush mason]

so is it common for an inquisitor to commandeer a rogue trader ship?

or at the very least to make some form of deal with them to use their vessel when needed

[woeful bloom]

I don't think the character was even named or had voice lines

[celest dome]

Just to show that even in the closest circles of the Inquisition there can be hidden heretics

[woeful bloom]

Felt completely meaningless and I took nothing away from the plot line lol

Other than 'wait was that person significant'

[plush mason]

btw. is that big ass bar looking thing on the side of the morningstar the hanger?

[normal stream]

Did FS ever state where the Moebian domain is supposed to be?

[normal stream]

Nope. It's actually unclear what class of ship the Mourningstar is, but typical Imperial capships hangars are on their port/starboard midsection

That said I think the consensus is that being an RT vessel it's probably heavily nodded, but somewhere in the range of a large escort to light cruiser size

[full bane]

It does look like a Hangar, most Battlefleet Gothic ships have similar layout for broadside mounts.

[normal stream]

In one of the cutscenes it looks more like a lance broadside

Rather than the angled launch bays

[full bane]

Can't be, it's too small to mount lances as a broadside.

[normal stream]

Yeah, the design of the ship is a bit ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full bane]

It's definitely not the angled launch bays of the heavy cruisers.

[normal stream]

It has the armament of a Gothic class on the chassis of a Dauntless class with the engines of an escort

Might not be lances and just normal gun battery decks

But definitely doesn't look like the typical hangar decks

[full bane]

The chassis is either a Sword/Firestorm or a Claymore.

[normal stream]

Even the escort sized carriers have the angular hangars

[full bane]

Batteries are too small to be on anything bigger. It's only got a 2 cannon broadside.

[normal stream]

The prow doesn't look anything like it, which is why I was inclined to suggest more like a Dauntless.

[shadow plover]

Think in the first Fatshark sponsored Luetin lore video he says galactic north west, which would make sense with Cadia being one of the birth planets for your character

[full bane]

It kind of looks like a Claymore prow except with torpedo tubes.

[normal stream]

Claymore can't mount torps in the front, though.

But I suppose with an RT..

Yeah, I've given up trying to figure out the class for sure

[normal stream]

Ah neat, ty.

[full bane]

Yeah, it's why I'm more inclined towards a Firestorm. Prow mount torp, Dorsal Mount Macrocannon, and then cut out some of the bulkheads for a small hangar bay meant for use with large amounts of transports rather than as a launch bay for strike fighters

But the profile doesn't quite match.

Eh, chalk it up to a Sector specific variant.

[normal stream]

Or just "rogue trader", yeah.

[plush mason]

no it has fighters, the valk pilot is training them

its one of the vox convos that can happen on the morningstar

[normal stream]

Yup. One of the hub vox messages is retasking a flight of fighters to intercept incoming signals

[plush mason]

ye

[full bane]

Yeah I meant more in terms of the Hangar config. A boxy open slot where things come and go constantly rather than the angular bays meant to mass launch strike fighters en masse.

[plush mason]

ah yeah

hell that makes sense for a rogue trader ship

it was likely used for onloading and offloading cargo before the inquisitor commandeered it

[normal stream]

Yeah I'd love to get more shots of the ship for sure

[plush mason]

same

is that a surgical scar?

[celest dome]

low cieling scar

[plush mason]

lol

[limpid furnace]

Could be scar from bonehead implant? How does bonehead implant even look like, is it an internal thing?

[plush mason]

maybe they have a partial bonehead implant

and that is why they are smarter than average

[bold oar]

Hey so what do people get from getting down with the chaos gods? It seems not great.

[full bane]

Power, the capacity to enact change, strength, wisdom, knowledge...

A lot of things really.

It starts small, perhaps things start going your way more often than not or you find yourself capable of holding your own more. Soon you start praying to something other than the Emperor, you make a little forbidden shrine.

Things escalate and you're swaying your friends to your belief. By the time the mutations start setting in, the fact that your great health is just the pain not being noticable under all the infections, the fact that you've slaughtered a hab as service to your foul gods. It's often too late to turn back.

Other time people just hate the Imperium and the systems that drove them to desperation and want the strength to lash out. Chaos is willing to provide that.

[plush mason]

the later is by far the more common afaik. a lot of times dissent is already growing in the lower classes and chaos just moves in to capitalize

[full bane]

I wouldn't say the latter is more common, just that the setting explores it more due to mass rebellion and huge traitor forces backed by other Chaos factions being more notable in the eyes of the lore.

[plush mason]

fair

[full bane]

The former shows up decently often whenever they explore the Inquisition in novels and in the RPGs.

[late pagoda]

Just theoretically, I wanted to ask if Ogryn are smart enough to use Plasma guns?

[storm jungle]

Gun is gun, so yes.

Ogryns have the mindset of children, you can teach them a lot of things.

[late pagoda]

Very cool, though I assume they'd be locked from shooting a lot? I heard that ogryns tend to not want to stop shooting.

[storm jungle]

No again its more that the lore plays up their stupidity for comedy

[celest dome]

Plasma gun aren't made in their size as far as we know, but nothing stop a world from manufacturing them

And SM Plasma Gun might be a bit too brittle

[late pagoda]

Alright, thanks for the info. I'm asking after all since I don't know myself.

[storm jungle]

At the end of the day it causes a lot of fans to assume they are basically braindamaged when its not the case

[storm jungle]

No worries

[tulip sand]

Theres one voiceline you can choose that is more rarted than the others for ogryn

[full bane]

In general fan knowledge of 40k factions assumes the worst extreme of every faction.

[tulip sand]

I noticed people running that more often

[dry epoch]

Ogryns aren’t stupid, they just process things at a different speed.

[plush mason]

ye

[tulip sand]

Also what is the lore difference with the two types of zombie enemies

[plush mason]

deadass Ogryn would not be in the imperial guard if they where as stupid as the lore makes them out to be

[tulip sand]

You got the guys you can one shot and the guys with maggots coming out who are harder

What differentiates them

Is it that one was infected for longer than the other?

[plush mason]

the ones that shoot arent zombies

they are cultists

[tulip sand]

No theres two types of zombie enemies

Who act like zombies

One type can be 1 shot with a body shot the other cant

[plush mason]

oh i misread

yeah the infected citizens are not yet full poxwalkers

[tulip sand]

Youll notice which is which because if you go into melee with the latter they spray maggots everywhere when you melee them

[shadow plover]

there are terrors, dregs and scabs. Lowest rank of terrors are pox walkers and the lowest rank dregs are 'groaners', which are basically cultists

[tulip sand]

So whats the difference

Groaners?

[shadow plover]

that's what the game calls them

[tulip sand]

I mean lore wise

[shadow plover]

yeah they're just basic human cultists

[celest dome]

Basically different strains of Nurglite Pox

[tulip sand]

I see

I mean they look the same

With horns and whatnot

[celest dome]

Do Groaner have horns ?

[plush mason]

some do

small ones

[tulip sand]

Pox also have it

[plush mason]

the groaners near as i can tell are newer infected not yet fully lost to the pox, as they are often screaming "help me" and what not

[tulip sand]

I see

I heard a voiceline repeating "maggots everywhere" do pox have lines as well or are they gone

Also does this mean the zombies are self aware but stuck in their bodies

[plush mason]

like headcrab zombies ye

[celest dome]

Well they aren't undead

They are sick people

[dry epoch]

Makes me stupidly happy that people notice the enemies are doing more than groaning. Lots of their lines came from my input into the team, so it’s oddly rewarding.

[tulip sand]

I say zombie as a catchall

Yeah they are most noticable when theres no horde and just random walkers dotted about

[plush mason]

and im very glad for that, ty as those lines really sell just how awful this plague really is

[tulip sand]

Yeah gives that bit of difference to show that theyre not braindead

[nocturne jetty]

Psyker is boring in Darktide???

[full bane]

Psykers are many things, mutants, dangerous channelers of the warp, and useful tools of the Imperium. Boring isn't one of them.

[tidal dome]

It's glorious! It's absolutely grim and glorious. when you just hide near one and listen, you can just feel the grim darkness seep into your very soul. Theese dudes are not happy about what happened. Not happy at all.

[plush mason]

yeah its great

[tidal dome]

You know what could be creepy as all hell. Some of them outright shouting warnings to the players like in System Shock 2.

Because they still have that bit of empathy in them behind all the mind control and sickness to try and save the players from ill fate.

[tulip sand]

@dry epoch honestly if you can still recommend stuff this would be great

[forest kindle]

What is a human's lifespan in 40k? I ask because in battlefleet gothica 2, someone says something like "8k years have passed" when you emerge from warp yet other fleets are talking to you like you're old buddies

[tidal dome]

I wonder if there are any plans on adding nurglings to the game. In part as comedic relief, in part as analogue to loot rat from the vermintide. Only rather than running away or attacking, they are doing something stupid. Like growing mushrooms in latrine, dancing on ceiling lights, juggling grenades from the box. Living the LIFE, while the other guys are left to the grim darkness of future. Maybe even pointing players to some useful stuff (Just don't get too close, you will totally get space-diarrhoea-cancer-aids aka a hefty dose of corruption, from touching one).

[dry epoch]

It’s me, tapping into my NHS employee psyche

[tulip sand]

Would it make sense to add those other voice lines

Where they warn you like "dont come any closer" or call out where enemies are etc

Because that would really drive the point jome

Home

[tidal dome]

Roughly human lifespans. Which means never aging 23 in some particularly bad underhives, living to 100 if you're lucky and on the planet with good air and food, being nearly immortal when you have space technology helping you and infinite pockets to fund it, and or just being outright born a space god and not dying after booping the snoot of the suicide bomber frog.

Some mechanicus are so good at staying alive they're just blobs of cancer with a computer for a brain

[forest kindle]

lol thank you

[tulip sand]

I thought they were humans

Mfw no hadron romance option

[forest kindle]

So is it fair to say that a lot of commanders are near immortal due to space tech?

[tidal dome]

You poor fellow. I admire your resilience in surviving that

[tulip sand]

Canada's healthcare system is collapsing now too actually

Tons of boomers retiring and needing aid, but those retiring boomers also account for 20% of total pediatricians

[tidal dome]

The thing with commanders is that they are rarely dying from natural causes, so I guess some might have seen Emperor in person, while others have an annual rotation due to workspace lethality

[forest kindle]

Very interesting, thank you

[tidal dome]

Of the two that I am absolutely certain remember the E are Caul and Bjorn the Fell-handed. They have seen him multiple times and even talked with him on a few occasions

With the power and sheer weight the two possess in the empire, they can just go around critizing ecclisiarchy and pointing fingers (Actually they possess no fingers), saying "that's not what HE said!". But the first guy is too busy and the second one is so done with this shit he spends entire time in the cryochamber

So they don't actually do that

Not counting for Gilliman of course.

[spring marlin]

I'm picturing a wave of them as they're presented in Total Warhammer 3, and fall apart like those enemies made of separate pieces in Dead Space.

Dividers! Those were the enemies I was thinking of.

[tidal dome]

I mean, the thing about them is they are not actually hostile in any way from what I remember, unless provoked or attacked - and possess this absolutely happy life attitude of endless optimism. Neither are those beasts of Nurgle that we encounter - they possess the brain and friendliness of a puppy. Of a puppy who's mere touch kills. Good grief just imagine voicelines for the beast of nurgle
"Friends!" "Come to play!" "Haha, this tickles!" "I so wanna KISS you!"

Or "Sorry", "I didn't want to!" "Friend, I DID NOT WANT TO!" or crying when one of the players die. The whole absolutely insanest thing about them - they don't really want to kill anyone, and if they realize that their playing actually kills people, they just lay down in a ditch somewhere and literally die of depression.

And if too many of them died in a certain pit, something particularly abhorrent comes out, having absorbed all their sadness.

[celest dome]

and if they realize that their playing actually kills people, they just lay down in a ditch somewhere and literally die of depression.
They do ?

[celest dome]

I have never heard that

[tidal dome]

Maybe I am mistaking them for their counterpart from the WHFB, which had that terrifying detail added to them

But I think it would be apt that this would apply to WH40k where even as a demon of chaos, life still sucks. A lot.

[storm jungle]

“Hungry... so hungry....”

[plush mason]

they do some times

like "stay away" and i think "run"

[rich turret]

I'm big into my 40k, not played too much of Darktide yet so I'm not sure if this is explained... But one of the characters comes out and says how the Emperor isn't a God, never wanted to be worshipped as a God etc. I know that this is obviously factually true in the lore, however in the 41st Millennium I'm fairly sure only select few chaos marines would know that, and I figured anyone claiming the Emperor isn't a god would be put down immediately? Especially since the char says this in front of the fanatic? Like, that is just outright stated heresy..

[storm jungle]

Wait who says this

[rich turret]

I think it was the psyker

and I definitely wasn't going mad, me and my friend both heard it and we're both massive into our 40k haha

[storm jungle]

I’d need to hear the exact dialogue, sounds a bit interesting

[plush mason]

that is the loner psyker iirc, they have sent years hiding from the imperium and seemingly studying its past

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

[rich turret]

That would be extremely hard to study

[storm jungle]

If its he german psyker he knows a lot of stuff like that

[rich turret]

and if they did study it they'd never get away with just stating that

[plush mason]

well they only say it on mission and when the vox is closed lol

[rich turret]

they say it to a fanatic, and to a group of people working for the inquisition though mind

[plush mason]

yeah and none of them are stupid

the psykers are near always reading the minds of the team, some of the voices even openly flaunt that fact so no one is gona snitch + the psyker i useful and they have bigger problems

[rich turret]

I suppose it would just sound like the random ravings of an insane guy so the big I could play it off as just some mad man who is irrelevant. I get that, still comes off very oddly to me

[plush mason]

im more curious as to how the loner psyker even learned of the imperial truth

[rich turret]

Without a serious chat with some word bearers, or with Roboute, not very easily lol

[plush mason]

hell iirc hive world atoma has founded very early in the crusade so maybe they found some cache of old records from that time that has been lost and buried and forgotten for 10k years

there is literally no end to the secrets you can find in old abandoned hives or in the lower levels of major ones

[scenic sun]

I want your guys' opinion: would the rejects be able to realistically kill a death guard marine?

[rich turret]

Gods to the no

[scenic sun]

seen so many people complain but... these 4 guys tear down hordes of enemies, ogryn, one of them is a pysker

[dusk patrol]

Psyker or Ogryn are the most likely

But they would all probably just die

[scenic sun]

like, realistically, if you can tear down hordes of poxwalkers and traitor guardsme, ogryns... you are kinda on their level

[dusk patrol]

Plague Marines wade across killzones into heavy Bolter, lasgun, Hellgun, and plasma fire like it’s nothing

[coarse mirage]

TF2 medic psyker also yells at the subtitles so

[scenic sun]

fair enough

[dusk patrol]

Also at the end of the day, there’s game mechanics here

Normal humans and even Ogryns probably aren’t gonna take the punishment our dudes take in the game

Same with none of them should be able to survive inside the Beast of Nurgle

Shit dissolves Marines in full armor in seconds

[scenic sun]

or just survive the mission in all

like... No normal strike squad should be able to survive those odds

[plush mason]

one of the assassination bosses literally shoots us in the face with a plasma pistol and the most it does is knock us back

[crisp heath]

it seems implied that the insane psyker is directly chatting back and forth with the emperor, perhaps the loner caught a glimpser of the truth himself at one point, or maybe he's just a delusional schizo that accidentally stumbled upon the truth for totally unrelated reasons, even a broken clock is right twice a day

[scenic sun]

gamey mechanics, then why not have a space marine as a boss too?

[gloomy citrus]

A Chaos Space Marine would make an interesting or terryfying boss.

[dusk patrol]

Because FS said so ultimately

[crisp heath]

I want a csm boss reee

[scenic sun]

just a death guard

[gloomy citrus]

Yes.

[dusk patrol]

Personally I don't think it really would fit and I suspect that's a reason they decided not to do it.

[scenic sun]

or maybe the heretics pull a horus and drop a khorne berzerker like "lol go fuck hem, everyone"

[scenic sun]

not now, but in future updates maybe

[dusk patrol]

Space Marines and those kind of foes don't really fit the pace of the game.

Either they're too weak and it feels kinda lame

[short steeple]

Khornes weakest champion Vs the inquisitions lowliest rejects

[dusk patrol]

Or they're too strong and are annoying as hell.

[gloomy citrus]

Death Guards are bullet sponges.

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[scenic sun]

make it a proper battle then, like a final boss or something

[crisp heath]

Why wouldn't it fit? We already kill demons and cut through hordes of bad guys, alot of the bosses are already bullet sponges too

[dusk patrol]

And we don't carry enough ammo to deal with them mostly tbh.

[scenic sun]

like the chaos champion in vermintide

[dusk patrol]

None of the daemons we kill are impressive

We more just exorcise one weak one which can't defend itself.

The captains we fight are also fairly unimpressive.

[gloomy citrus]

Then maybe they could be a drop some kind of a gun. A missle launcher, or something?

Do Nurgle followers have a weakness?

[dusk patrol]

They're slower

[gloomy citrus]

But they often have boltguns.

[dusk patrol]

Which doesn't matter because they can tank a shitton of damage

[scenic sun]

Isn't beast of nurgle a Daemon?

[dusk patrol]

And "slow" for a marine is still really fucking fast.

[sudden kelp]

Isnt a beast of nurgle > 1 CSM?

[gloomy citrus]

Not as fast as a charging World Eater.

[scenic sun]

I think they are at least daemons in total war Warhammer but that's fantasy

[dusk patrol]

Yes, but they vary a lot.

[scenic sun]

Or a high on so many drugs emperor's children

[dusk patrol]

And like I said, its already kinda just game mechanics that we can survive its vomit

[gloomy citrus]

They're pretty much defunct. You know, due to all the drugs and orgies.

[dusk patrol]

Ok?

World Eaters aren't in the game either

[scenic sun]

Lucius isn't defunct lol

[crisp heath]

I mean space marines have been killed by guardsmen and demons b4 so I don't see what the big deal is, especially when you have guys with plasmas, psykers, and ogryns, I'm not saying it would be a cakewalk but to say undoable while these people seem to be the best a penal unit in the imperium can offer seems like marinewank imo

[gloomy citrus]

They could just throw in a generic Black Legionnaire.

[dusk patrol]

Sure, but FS has imo wisely decided its best not to go there.

[sudden kelp]

they say that but its always in their back pocket imo. DLC for instance

[dusk patrol]

If we're casually killing Death Guard it really starts to make the whole "plucky reject" thing start to be a little silly.

[gloomy citrus]

Who said anything about casually?

[dusk patrol]

I mean they've been pretty clear they're not doing Space Marines

[crisp heath]

Who says it's casual?

[dusk patrol]

Because it will be

[scenic sun]

I'd say it is just as a grand 'finale'. No one has said they should be dealt with casually, make the guy the target of an assasination

[dusk patrol]

Even if its a grand finale fight its still casual

Lets be real

[scenic sun]

Make it like the chaos champion of vermintide, a final boss

[gloomy citrus]

Fighting a single death guard could be a nightmare.

Not just because they look and smell horribly.

[crisp heath]

Do you just solo all the bosses on heretic difficulty or something? I mean I wouldn't describe beating the bosses already in as necessarily casual, but maybe I'm just bad...

[dusk patrol]

Look, just being honest, this conversation has been done to death, and its really boring. FS has said they're not gonna, and they haven't left the window open for dlc even. Maybe we'll see, but it doesn't fit the tone of the game.

[dusk patrol]

No but I know how bosses in VT work, and itll become a joke fast.

Sorry, tide games

Same thing has happened with the captain bosses for assassination missions.

Its not an issue I don't think but it does make them a lot less threatening.

[sudden kelp]

cries in chaos wastes

[crisp heath]

How does it not fit, I'd get it if this game was more of a tactical thing and we were taking on similar sized groups of people rather than what looks to be a singlehanded fight against the entire underhive

[dusk patrol]

Because the tone of the game isn't Death Guard are on Atoma Prime

Its smaller scale

[crisp heath]

Like I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't think of the characters are plucky rejects at all when they do what they can do, they seem rather gifted

[dusk patrol]

They are, they're still not gonna be taking on Space Marines or shouldn't be.

[crisp heath]

Where is the small scale of an entire hive being under threat

[dusk patrol]

Space Marines are absurdly rare

Whole sectors fall without one making an appearence.

[nocturne jetty]

I want Cult of Death Assasins

Oversor jk

[dusk patrol]

The Moebian Domain is important, but the point of this is that even for how big it is, with billions maybe trillions of people

Its just another sector

[nocturne jetty]

I wanna kill evreything Eldar and Space marines

[dusk patrol]

Its not special

We're not special

[crisp heath]

you can say that all you want

[dusk patrol]

Having your dudes go kill a space marine is extremely special

[crisp heath]

but the gameplay flies in the face of that

like I said, I'd understand if this was closer to like, ready or not but with chaos

but it's not, this is a fucking horde clearing game, these people are already far beyond the vast majority of humanity in 40k

you don't just cut a swathe through veteran traitor guard with the ease they do

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusk patrol]

Like I said, this argument is really overdone and boring. What matters is FS thinks it doesn't fit the tone, and I happen to agreed.

[crisp heath]

I disagree

[dusk patrol]

People are free to disagreed, but it doesn't seem to matter with their statements on it.

[quasi path]

Idk, a book accurate SM will kill your character before you understand what’s going on

[sudden kelp]

which book? 10(?) Ghost Gaunts take out 5 CSM, including a champion.

yeah, we'll see. whatever we get-- it's gonna be good. i'm excited with everything we got so far.

[dusk patrol]

And thats often made fun of for being a major outlier and very silly

[scenic sun]

Cain and Jürgen say hello

[quasi path]

CSM are jobbers

[scenic sun]

Space marines might be cool, but I feel they'll first add genestealers most likely

[sudden kelp]

eh, still happens in one of the most popular GW writers books, the same guy managing this game.

[quasi path]

Wait what?!

[dusk patrol]

And that guy has also put no Space Marines in this game either

Abnett also has three marines tear through a chaos infested base without any issues in a later Gaunt's Ghosts book

[sudden kelp]

sure, certainly to date-- I agree!

[crisp heath]

Sure but this game could be made fun of a major outlier and being very silly in terms of the kind of 40k tone you're talking about, this is not a gritty, realistic slog through the underhive, this is the end of commando but arnold is an ogre with a double barreled .50 cal

[tulip sand]

Hopefully no space marines

Or no playable ones at least

[sudden kelp]

hey hey, i havent got there yet ^^

[dusk patrol]

I think you guys just have a disagreement on tone with FS, which is fine, but they've been pretty clear on their stance for Space Marines in the game.

[tulip sand]

Bc if we were playable marines they would need to be mega nerfed to make sense

Maybe a marine in a cutscene or something, similar to vader at the end of rogue one

[quasi path]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Skitarii in this. Not tech priests though

[tulip sand]

Where we see everyone struggle to kill each other through the whole movie and vader just slices through two dozen people like its notbing, maybe something similar with a space marine in a cutscene to highlight how powerful they are

Thats the most I'd want

[sudden kelp]

I just know how these things go. Nothing is off the table even if they say it is. because this is 40k and you can bend the lore quite a bit. But I'm also 100% on board with how they handle it so far.

and if there never is a CSM I'm perfectly happy with it

[crisp heath]

I do have a major disagreement on tone with fs if they think they've presented something about a band of plucky rejects struggling to grit their way through

Cause that's not what the gameplay reflects at all, I'd love something that's more brutal, personal, and small scale, but this is not it

[tulip sand]

I dont think they have done that, esp given voice lines at later levels you becpme more of a tool of the inquisition than some plucky survivor spouting one liners

[dusk patrol]

Unfortunately a game about a band who struggles to deal with a small force of forty cultists and barely makes it out alive does not make for good gameplay.

[quasi path]

So what you want is ‘Shell Shock Simulator’

[dusk patrol]

Gameplay mechanics will always be a thing.

[tulip sand]

Play a milsim imperial guard

[quasi path]

Arma with mods

[tulip sand]

hold position in a foxhole while it rains all day
artillery and explosions somewhere in the distance
get the order to pull back

[sudden kelp]

executed by your commissar

[crisp heath]

That's not true though, you're not cutting through swathes of enemies in something like ready or not or kingdom come, and yet they both have very engaging combat that's very gritty and rough

[tulip sand]

To be fair these are the lowest rung on the chaos ladder so cutting through them is no feat

[dusk patrol]

I guess I forgot when this game was made by a company who makes more realistic rpgs or tactical simulators.

[crisp heath]

You guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying entirely, I love this game, I love the bolter porn style of it, I'm just saying that it doesn't match the tone you guys are saying is the reason they can't have space marines as an enemy boss

[tulip sand]

I'd imagine the only thing that you fight which would have any impact on chaos whatsoever is the beast of nurgle

[dusk patrol]

I think it matches it fine, its just there's always gamey elements to these things

[tulip sand]

I think the main reason is it would cheapen space marines in lore

[dusk patrol]

It doesn't kill my immersion for example when my dude tanks multiple .50 rounds to the face becuase "toughness"

[tulip sand]

Since if you've used a chainsword against one of the bosses you know how easy it is

[crisp heath]

The traitor guard we fight are supposed to be very formidable veterans with years of experience, grab a hatchet and you cut through 6 of them without even having to parry or riposte or do much but click

[tulip sand]

Heretic Captain Joe Darktide getting 4 shot by chainswords

[quasi path]

The Emperor is simply guiding my hand

[tulip sand]

I watched a video about it and apparently the idea is that they were perceived as veterans, but in many cases the planets were just sending people to an already lost battle

[scenic sun]

Let's not talk about the caprace-armoured ogryns at their disposal, all of their monstrosities and such

[tulip sand]

Like the ships got destroyed in transit

[sudden kelp]

The main sticking point of the 'tone' issue is that this is a down in the dirt look at a hive problem in the imperium. this is Daredevil (who is a street level crime fighter) and not Avengers (who are galaxy defenders). Which is what Eternal Reward I think is saying.

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[crisp heath]

It kills mine on this supposed to be a realistic, grounded, small scale battle between unimportant forces, because there's plenty of games which are fun where you cannot tank even one .50

[tulip sand]

In the grand scheme of things theyre still low on the totem pole, recently converted traitors

[dusk patrol]

Space Marines up the ante

[scenic sun]

Dude, 4 dudes wouldn't be cutting through swathes of chaos hordes no matter how you put it. Our rejects are literally demi gods

[dusk patrol]

Like, why not have us fight a Great Unclean One then?

Why not fight Typhus?

[quasi path]

It’s simply the Emperors will

[scenic sun]

cause he's too fat and doesn't fit

[dusk patrol]

Why not Mortarion?

[scenic sun]

inside the hive

[tulip sand]

At higher difficulties you really cant afford to get hit by onw

[dusk patrol]

FS decided where they drew the line, and I think the line is a good choice.

[scenic sun]

and also, eternal reward, just because we want a plague marine it doesn't mean we want to fight mortarion

what type of extrapolation is that?

[crisp heath]

You're just being excessive for the sake of it now, quit this slanneshi behavior

[scenic sun]

^

[dusk patrol]

My point is just because some normie has beaten someone doesn't mean we should be

And just because there's game elements which let us take down hundreds of enemy guard in a mission

[scenic sun]

we aren't normies

[dusk patrol]

Doesn't mean we need to fight space marines too

[crisp heath]

You've not at all addressed what I'm saying, you're just saying game mechanics which doesn't fit because you can have game mechanics which reflect the tone you're talking about and we don't have those game mechanics

[scenic sun]

we don't get that feel, the game's still got that 40k spirit of "stupidness"

[tulip sand]

Most of the time its dregs, no?

[dusk patrol]

We're very normal compared to most in the universe.

We're a little special

[scenic sun]

a psyker is a one in a million occurrence

[dusk patrol]

But we're still one of billions like us.

[tulip sand]

I play veteran so imo the only difference is that my char has training where most ppl dont

[sudden kelp]

Also worth noting that not all difficulties reflect canon, if i may. Like CATA, in VT, is more canon than recruit. Recruit is a conceit of gameplay.

[dusk patrol]

Yes and there's quadrillions of people in the Imperium

[crisp heath]

It's still superhuman to fight more than 3 people at one in melee combat, let alone cutting up dozens of supposedly experienced combatants in moments

[tulip sand]

Experienced but with maggots for brains maybe

[crisp heath]

Your veteran probably only has a similar level of training and experience to the traitor guard

[dusk patrol]

If you're one in a million in the Imperium theres still like billions of you.

[quasi path]

A Ogryn can beat 3 normal humans easily

[scenic sun]

by rarity pyskers are closer to space marines than say a veteran guardsman, that's my point. Space marines might be seen by 0.0001% of the population, by psykers are seen by 0.001%. They are both stupid rare

[tulip sand]

Depends on backstory tbh but yeah joe guardsman

[dusk patrol]

No

[scenic sun]

an ogryn has almost space marine strenght so...

yeah

[dusk patrol]

Space marines are FAAAR more rare

[tulip sand]

So you are basically saying you would prefer a more realistic experience

[dusk patrol]

There's not even a million marines in the Imperium

[tulip sand]

Like a squad based shooter

[dusk patrol]

There's billions upon billions of psykers.

[rapid dock]

so like what do you think the guys in Disposal Unit (the assassination soundtrack) are saying

[scenic sun]

there is, it is said there's a thousand (more or less) chapters

[tulip sand]

Its bulgarian right

[quasi path]

Space Marines are things of myths and legends. Seeing one would be akin to being visited by an angel

[crisp heath]

Sure, ogryns can do that, that's another thing I guess of tonal mishmash, ogryns are, in physical capability at least, canonically much more powerful than the other classes, an ogryn can beat 3 experienced fighters easily the same way a polar bear can

[dusk patrol]

Most veteran guardsmen will never see a marine in a long long career.

[keen stag]

space marines CANT be in this game i dont think you realise what a space marine is in warhammer 40k

[scenic sun]

1000 x 1000 is a million, that's without counting exceptions like the black templars

[tulip sand]

I only recently learned that chapters are not legions, they broke up the legions after heresy

[scenic sun]

I do, I don't think you realise what the rejects have been doing in this game already

they act like space marines in what we see them do

[rapid dock]

I'd settle for a space marine boss

Like a wounded Death Guard or something

[scenic sun]

you think 4 idiots can tear through hordes of poxwalkers like that?

[keen stag]

yes

[crisp heath]

That's what we've been saying lol

[crisp heath]

how'd the hive fall then lmao

[scenic sun]

that's... with respect, delusional

like

??

[dusk patrol]

I know I already said this, but at the end of the day, FS has chosen a tone, and marines ain't it. And that's all there is too it.

[quasi path]

Yeah, they’re pus filled balloons

[rapid dock]

Thank god too marines are fucking boring

[tulip sand]

I would like to see more dead rejects on maps

Like how theres random dead ogryns about

[scenic sun]

and the traitor guardsmen, armpored to the teeth ogryn that support them?

[dusk patrol]

I think marines can be fine if done well, I also think they don't fit in this game.

[scenic sun]

one lass gun hit and you're dead in the lore

[rapid dock]

yeah but like there's just

[quasi path]

A train full of plague

[rapid dock]

so much marine it's oversaturated

[tulip sand]

Maybe have some dead reject teams in rooms etc and someone can drop a voice line, to show that while our teams are successful there are many more who are not

[crisp heath]

I'm saying the tone you state they have chosen and the tone established by the game is not at all consistent

[rapid dock]

the ultramarines are the protagonists of 40k now damn near

[keen stag]

an enemy chaos marine can work has a boss but playing a space marines would be very cringe

[dusk patrol]

And I disagreed and thats all there is too it

[tulip sand]

Space marines in all but name and appearance

Is what we have now

[scenic sun]

that's my head cannon to be fair

[tulip sand]

Well its actual canon too

[scenic sun]

we are just outliners

[tulip sand]

But they dont show it

[dusk patrol]

You're not gonna convince me otherwise unfortunately and I really really am just tired of this particular topic, not cause you guys

[scenic sun]

Most rejects just die

[dusk patrol]

But just because its been done to death

[crisp heath]

Gameplay can match match tone and the best games do match the tone, you don't get to tell someone they're playing a game where they're not special when the gameplay makes it obvious that's the case, because we have games which don't even have to outright state you're not special and do a good job of communicating it through mechanics alone

[quasi path]

The Emperor guides my wraith. As long as I have faith, I’ll live long enough to take one more step towards fulfilling his goals.

[scenic sun]

Okay, new topic: Genestealer expansion when?

and I have grounds for this

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[tulip sand]

Since most rejects just die i want to see strung up rejects on maps

Like if anyone played on the 17th remember the desert mission with the breaking wheels your characters would comment on

[dusk patrol]

And this point its more like the horse is a grease stain marking a spot where it might have been.

[tulip sand]

Instead of it being some random heretic why not make it a reject who got captured

[plush mason]

lol ikr

[sudden kelp]

In the sense that we have all failed a mission at some point none of us have actually survived.

[crisp heath]

oh i guess in that case it should be easy for all the wounded and living loyal guardsmen we see at the beginning of levels to just push in and wipe out everything, I mean apparently what goes on in the game is what 4 dipshits can do, a proper platoon should be able to take care of the entire mess since it's nothin special

[scenic sun]

yeah

[rapid dock]

naw the 4 vets were lvl 1 and playing on malice or something

the chaos spawn ate them

[tulip sand]

They called in the moebian 6th to do that

But the 6th were already traitors

So it only exasperated the problem

[scenic sun]

they weren't lvl 1 they had cosmetics 🤓

[rapid dock]

press accounts

[tulip sand]

What power level are their guns

[scenic sun]

weren't the moebian 6th treated like shit?

that's why they turned

[crisp heath]

yeah but apparently the moebian 6th are schmucks too, you can kill dozens in moments as just the average imperial criminal with a shovel you found

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plush mason]

ye

[tulip sand]

Anyways one thing I would like to see is maybe multiple teams deploying at the start of the mission with us, but they go off to some tunnel or somewhere else and we go to our mission

[scenic sun]

see them dead aftewards?

[tulip sand]

And then when evac happens since we are the only team evacing you can get that implied

[rapid dock]

Didn't one of the missions have a field base you leave out of?

like a field base staffed by guardsmen

[tulip sand]

Not really a base more like a couple rooms and 2 tanks

[rapid dock]

Better than nothing

[scenic sun]

yeah, there's also the one where they are holding the bridge with a russ tank and some guardsmen

[tulip sand]

Ye

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like it pronounced more that we aren't the only 4 man team on the map since its implied that we arent

[scenic sun]

also at the finale of the raid you can see lass gun fire being exchanged between different portions of the hive

[crisp heath]

the tone people are stating to be the one present doesn't match the gameplay, don't tell me we're in all quiet on the western front when we're in commando, not that I don't enjoy commando, just don't tell me that it's uhh... not what it is?

[tulip sand]

Those are AA guns shooting at matozi or whatever

Well its not like that but it has enough of that for suspension of disbelief

[scenic sun]

reaches level 25 after completing numerous missions and killing thousands of heretics
recive portrait outliner that says: "Almost useful, Zola might remember your name when you die"

[tulip sand]

Didnt we save her life lmao

[scenic sun]

consider that at level 25 they are giving you bolters and other nice toys

[scenic sun]

yeah lol

[rapid dock]

i dislike how every single cutscene is 'OH YOU'RE STILL ALIVE HUH'

Show me some damn respect I've clobbered many a traitor

[tulip sand]

Every cutscene is pull yourself up by your bootstraps

[scenic sun]

at one point you should recive praise, yeah, after a while they should treat you with respect

[tulip sand]

Did you see the last cutscene

[scenic sun]

nope

[tulip sand]

Also stand near the guardsmen in the ship after reaching level 25

[rapid dock]

the guardsmen suck ass what do they even do

[scenic sun]

stare and call you scum

lol

[rapid dock]

are we guarding the peddler servitor lads

hard at work

[tulip sand]

One of them asked to go on a mission with me, another said there's a mission in the terminal that needs my character's 'magic touch', I think another said something like 'oh its going to kick off now' when they saw my character

[crisp heath]

Cough themselves to death after witnessing graffiti

[scenic sun]

i guess what they say depends on your level

[tulip sand]

Yes

[scenic sun]

at my level they still call me scum, idiot, whatever

[tulip sand]

Also the mission briefings and voice lines

[indigo fjord]

Shouldn't the psyker be 10 times more powerful than it actually is? If we're going by lore

[rapid dock]

Some psykers are powerless

it depends on the person

[indigo fjord]

But our psyker clearly has combat abilities

[scenic sun]

even then, psyker strenght is very weird

[crisp heath]

psykers seem really inconsistent in general

[scenic sun]

some are stupid strong, some aren't

yeah

[quasi path]

powerful psykers are also frequent targets of Witch Hunters.

[rapid dock]

maybe our psyker only knows one move (brain pop)

[tulip sand]

For an assasination mission Merrick said something along the lines of we got another arch heretic which is your specialty or sm

[scenic sun]

pysker can read thoughts too, he specifically calls the zealot braindead

[rapid dock]

I like how all the arch heretics are randomized

[tulip sand]

One of them was deadass named goyim

[rapid dock]

Who are these people and why do they get promoted so often

[scenic sun]

idk, guard captains or maybe some adeptus arbitres gone rogue

[indigo fjord]

Also aren't most high-class inquisitors psykers themselves?

Goddamn hypocrites

[tulip sand]

If you get high enough level your character will ask merrick for more info on the target

I think they are psykers sanctioned by the government but random people being psykers is a no no

[crisp heath]

field promotions, all of the 6th's COs have been getting jumped by some petty criminals lately :|

[tulip sand]

The train they commute to work on keeps getting redirected

Literally jumped while on the subway

[quasi path]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Titan stage.

[indigo fjord]

That's a real danish name

[quasi path]

Imagine fighting inside a Titan, trying to prevent it from being taking over.

[indigo fjord]

Imagine if we could fight a chaos space marine as a domination boss

[rapid dock]

why the fuck did hadron say she wanted to execute you

why is she a hater (she's such a bad bitch though)

[indigo fjord]

Probably because you're flesh or something

[tulip sand]

There's a romance scene once you hit level 27

[quasi path]

Loyal guardsmen gets executed as a motivation tool....

[rapid dock]

thank GOD

[tulip sand]

Yep it goes on for about 4 minutes

I think shes the only character whose voice lines mostly stay the same between labels

Levels*

[pastel schooner]

so, I managed to catch a pic of the Reaper's gun

it's a twin-linked heavy stubber gun

I say this because of the barrel

especially the tip of the barrel

[rustic spruce]

GW loves stern so much they killed her twice

[arctic talon]

Anti social tech priest kekw

[rustic spruce]

When did the iron hands become so into technology, wasn’t ferrus all about physical strength

[cold holly]

Can someone recommend a good source url for 40k lore? I'm a big fan of Vermintide 2 but am new to the 40K Warhammer experience.

[arctic talon]

They had terrible father issues

They saw ferrus as weak

After he died

[tulip sand]

Try luetin09 on youtube

[lapis sun]

Luetin09 is great. He’s got a lot of videos that will give you a good understanding of the world of 40k and some Darktide-specific videos as well

[hearty bluff]

Can confirm luetin is one of the best for lore videos.

Majorkill I used to be a fan of, but his humour just pisses me off now lol

[plush mason]

ye Luetin09 and Oculus Imperia are your best bets for YT lore videos

[rustic spruce]

What ever happened to that fulgrim clone

[arctic talon]

Nothing

and the author said nothing will happen

its in trazyns collection

thats the end of it

[plush mason]

oof

i was hoping they where just saving the clone for a later plot, but seems that plot is already dead :/

[full bane]

With 40k, generally the books throw out big revelations but they never really affect the main setting. When they do come back up it's usually to just tie up the loose end.

[ashen mango]

Is ultramar named after the ultramarines or the other way around?

[arctic talon]

Other way around

In lore

The ultramarines were called the War Born

Before they found G-man

[ashen mango]

Guilliman?

Ultramar seemed really fit... I mean lucky that they found a planet that had "mar" at the end

[arctic talon]

Yes guilliman

I just call him G-man or Bobby G

Because I suck ass

[ashen mango]

Lucky they didnt find a planet called Simpmar

[rustic spruce]

Girlyman

[arctic talon]

At typing his name

[ashen mango]

Then they'd be called the simpmarines

[arctic talon]

Lol

But ironically the ultramarines were already wearing blue

Before Guilliman

[ashen mango]

How is that ironic?

[arctic talon]

Because ultramarine

Is a shade of blue

[ashen mango]

Oh

[arctic talon]

And ultramars like

Colors and symbols

Were also blue

[ashen mango]

Lucky for them

[arctic talon]

It’s not like the dusk raiders

Where their scheme completely changed

[primal sonnet]

ain't that the same weapon the player Ogryn can use

[rustic spruce]

How did the chaos gods get into the imperial palace to scatter the primarchs

[primal sonnet]

Erda

ask her

[wicked scroll]

Is the darktide lore canon?

[primal sonnet]

I guess it is if it doesn't go against other lore events

[lament spindle]

From what I understand warhammer lore, especially 40k, is extremely flexible

It'

It's a big galaxy, anything can happen

[arctic talon]

Yes

The events of darktide are canon

[primal sonnet]

anything goes as long as it sells

[rustic spruce]

Anything can be canon as long as it doesn’t effect model sales

[wicked scroll]

Guess it’s some random hive city?

[arctic talon]

It’s a major hive city

In a somewhat major system

[wicked scroll]

Just getting to 40k lore

[primal sonnet]

it's just another tuesday in the Imperium

[arctic talon]

^

[wicked scroll]

First game, just reading all the stuff

[arctic talon]

Nothing special going on

The imperium is just too caught up in other things

Namely the indomitus crusade

So there’s a lack of actual forces

To do things

[rustic spruce]

It ain’t like we’re in a major battle during the horus heresy

[lament spindle]

Also I have a question, though its also related to Fantasy: Why does Slaanesh exist in both Warhammer Fantasy and 40k if Slaanesh was created by the Eldar? It

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh was made by the elves

In fantasy

And slaanesh has always existed

Technically

The Eldar just gave them enough power to become one of the big 4

[lament spindle]

It's very clear that both universes are linked through the warp, but... Did the creation of one chaos god in one universe mean he was always a chaos god in the other?

[arctic talon]

No

They have always existed

And simultaneously didn’t exist

Till they were created

[lament spindle]

Concepts given form and all that

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The warp is

[crisp heath]

the warp is fucky

[arctic talon]

A contradictory place

[primal sonnet]

warp fuckery

[dusk patrol]

They aren't linked at all

[arctic talon]

Don’t think too hard

[rustic spruce]

The twin tailed comet shall signal the emperor’s return

[dusk patrol]

Chaos realms in fantasy aren't like the warp in 40k at all.

[arctic talon]

^that also

40k chaos is a lot more

Shit lmao

[dusk patrol]

There's a few cheeky references to one another from decades ago but they're not really linked.

[primal sonnet]

so, is 40k Ku'gath a clone

[lament spindle]

They both have extremely similar, and I do mean extremely similar things

[dusk patrol]

They both have the "same" daemons

Or share some

But their backstories tend to be different

[rustic spruce]

Archaon was a lot more competent at his goal then abbadon was

[dusk patrol]

And there's some design differences too

[primal sonnet]

so they just reuse the names to not bother to make new characters

[lament spindle]

The way I saw it because the warp is trans-dimensional, it is linked to everywhere and nowhere

[primal sonnet]

but yea that's as far as "links" go

[lament spindle]

[arctic talon]

I think the 4 chaos gods are the only thing that’s the same

But

Even then

The link is shoddy

[dusk patrol]

Its not really

There's dimensions within 40k it can't access

[pastel schooner]

not really, no
similar weapon, yes, but different pattern, different construction

[lament spindle]

A place where the warp can't spread?

[dusk patrol]

Let alone multiversal stuff

There's just not a real connection

[primal sonnet]

hmm, I see

[arctic talon]

Tbf the chaos gods don’t even touch the deepest parts of the warp

Like the well of eternity

Tzeentch throwing random daemons in does not count

[rustic spruce]

Kairos at least came back

So there’s that

[arctic talon]

Tbf

He’s the exception to the rule

[normal stream]

Lmfao

[full bane]

Everything is canon, and nothing is.

[full bane]

Yeah, especially given Slaanesh is MIA in Age of Sigmar and the Great Horned Rat is one of the big four.
Parallels but not the same warp

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh is starting to come back in AoS tbf

The chains are getting weaker

[rustic spruce]

Malal’s gonna break out of the retconium one of these days just you wait

[arctic talon]

Malice exists in 40k

The sons of malice are canon

[dusk patrol]

Malal is the one who doesn’t

[arctic talon]

Malal as a name just isn’t used

For copyright shit

[winter vessel]

The bullpup lasgun(forgot the name) you can purchase in the Armory Exchange, which type of Guardsmen unit uses it? There’s a specific regiment I vaguely remember.

[arctic talon]

Elysians use it

The regiment as a whole

Uses that pattern

[winter vessel]

Right there like an airborne unit, now I know why I like em so much.

[full bane]

I like to assume that Necoho exists in 40k as well.

Because the Chaos God of atheism and not believing in superstition is hilarious.

[nocturne jetty]

Hoping for more Enemies

Khorne!

Slanessh!

Tzeentch!

[nocturne jetty]

Hmmmm.

But there is many other Psyker types?

[hearty bluff]

Would bash slannessh cultists with a shovel

[nocturne jetty]

Lol

Slannesh with Huge Claws

[hearty bluff]

Anyone to slaneesh cultists.

[celest dome]

There are different Psyker discipline and then there is also Sorcery

[hearty bluff]

I'd be interested in fighting Drukhari raiders in darktide.

[celest dome]

Eldar don't really fit as a horde

[nocturne jetty]

Do Slanessh have guns

[celest dome]

Unless they use a lot of Slaves

[celest dome]

Yes

[nocturne jetty]

Dang

[celest dome]

Apart from Daemon

And Khornate cultist all have guns

[nocturne jetty]

Intresting

[celest dome]

And even in the Khornate Cultist a lot of them still use guns

[nocturne jetty]

Is there even Tzenntch?

[hearty bluff]

In terms of Marine chapters the emperor's children are big on worshiping slaneesh, but idk any other chapters for that god.

[dusk patrol]

A Khornate cult would be really cool imo, and fit the gameplay

[rustic spruce]

How far does chaos need to spread on a planet for an exterminatus to be considered

[dusk patrol]

Depends on how valuable the world is

But if the world is in danger of becoming a daemon world they blow it up

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ubNqUyf0op0&feature=share

[celest dome]

And on the Inquisitor that is the closest

[dusk patrol]

"Some may question my right to destroy a world of 10 billion souls, but those who truly understand realise I have no right to let them live."

Basically

It’s a case by case

They don’t do it lightly

Especially if it’s a valuable world which might be able to be retaken

If it’s as bad as the video above though, it’s just a matter of time til it becomes a daemon world, in which case not only is everyone better off dead, but they’re gonna suffer badly. And the Imperium has to permanently watch over a world in their borders they can’t destroy.

Same deal if Nids are gonna destroy a world, you might as well deprive them the resources and drain them as best you can.

That all being said, Atoma prime isn’t near there yet from what we see, although it’s in danger of getting that bad.

[winter vessel]

So then it wouldn’t be an Astartes level threat either?

[quiet wyvern]

Seconded. Sure, Atoma has a chaos problem, but the fact that we can still get dropships in without being instantly obliterated by an AA network to me means it's not quite exterminatus-level yet.

[rustic spruce]

Did ghaz have the ability to speak high gothic before getting shot in the head

[dusk patrol]

It might have been in previous years but the Great Rift and Indomitus has drained everyone dry of resources and reinforcements.

[quiet wyvern]

Granted, complex anti-air networks are costly to build and maintain and also usually require some sort of computer guidance system which won't really exist in 40k because tech heresy I think

[dusk patrol]

“Space Marine level” threats just depends on if a chapter can and is willing to assist

[quiet wyvern]

Which I don't think they are, since most chapters probably have bigger fish to fry

[dusk patrol]

Atoma Prime is valuable so maybe In previous years they could have successfully requested a small strike team to help dismantle the cultists and get production going again, but they also would have probably just had more guard forces to send in

[hearty bluff]

Honestly, I'm surprised they don't just send in Grey knights or some terminator squads to deal with the issues

[dusk patrol]

The issue now is there’s no one to help really

[winter vessel]

Imagine the only one answering the call to assist were Lamenters

[dusk patrol]

There’s a reason the Inquisitor is letting convicts fight for him, he’s desperate for bodies

[quiet wyvern]

Good point.

[rustic spruce]

Just call in the angry marines to help

[dusk patrol]

From all descriptions Atoma Prime should be a valuable world which could call in a large force if needed, it’s just there isn’t anyone to call

[winter vessel]

Hmm makes sense. And the Inquisition are a shifty bunch of cold blooded servants of the Imperium

[storm jungle]

They arent linked

[storm jungle]

Also cringe

id rather not have a Chapter made from homophobic/racist 4channers around

[hearty bluff]

I'd rather have world eaters than angry marines.

[storm jungle]

You already got angry marines with Flesh Tearers

[winter vessel]

I’m more of a Crimson Fists fan.

[dusk patrol]

Meme chapters in this sacred chat?

Bleh

Not even a good meme chapter

[hearty bluff]

I have to agree on that point.

Crimson fists are pretty cool

[winter vessel]

That one story of, I believe it was the chapter master of the CF who carried a civilian to safety.

[hearty bluff]

Reading the crimson fist omnibus rn

[hearty bluff]

Saved them from orks.

[dusk patrol]

You mean their only real book?

Rynn’s World is a pretty good book though

[hearty bluff]

I was tryna find rynns world

But only got the omnibus 😭

[dusk patrol]

Wish GW would add something more to them than “I’m gonna hit the heroic last stand button!”

But it is their thing

[rustic spruce]

Where do space marines carry their extra ammo.

[storm jungle]

nowhere

its plot

some got pouches but its like 1-3

[hearty bluff]

It's like, when you play fallout 3 and you equip any heavy weapon.

It just appears.

[storm jungle]

yeah its the deadpool effect

reach behind your back to bring out anything

[winter vessel]

The first time I learned about the Astartes was, granted, the angry marines(Black Templars) which I thought were cool before reading about the CF. The only member I really like from that chapter was Grimaldus in Helsreach

[dusk patrol]

In lore they have pouches and and shit they carry, also servitors who follow them around and supply drops when they can.

But it’s almost never shown in art

Bolters don’t make any sense don’t think about it Morty basically

[hearty bluff]

Black templars just remind me of standard Brits trying to find the nearest pub.

[full bane]

Depends, sometimes they're described as having pouches for it, other times they're Magnetically locked.

[storm jungle]

Those are orks

[hearty bluff]

I mean

[dusk knot]

as a brit I concur

[hearty bluff]

Yeah orks are just footy hooligans.

[full bane]

There's some lore where a group of serfs and failed initiates follow each Marine, holding all their shit for them.

[storm jungle]

So yeah

plot

[hearty bluff]

Though after the Saturday rugby match against New Zealand I wanted to be an ork 😂

[dusk knot]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-horse-gif-3448553

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[hearty bluff]

yes they even carry the coconut

[full bane]

And at least one novel where one of said serfs reload the Marine's bolter while he charges into CC for him while the other two fire a stubber.

[dusk patrol]

They have a lot of support for only 1000ish marines

They got ways to get more ammo

[full bane]

Yup.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-pickpocket-perception-gun-steal-gif-25628250

[hearty bluff]

Me at every Airsoft game.

Just Gonna drop your mag out the gun and run away

[storm jungle]

Me everytime a Veteran tries to steal my grenade-gauntlet ammo

[winter vessel]

I put Salamanders as the most humane acting of all Astartes, despite their obsession with fire and rituals related to fire. Nonetheless, prioritizing the safety of the common Imperium civilians is what also makes them my favorite.

[hearty bluff]

As a veteran I find other vets to be magpies.

[full bane]

What is this thing you call... ammo?

[dusk knot]

I sometimes feel like I'm racing for ammo

[hearty bluff]

Every game I've been in no one has tagged equipment or Medicae stations.

[full bane]

You just need to quell the voices in your head every now and then.

[hearty bluff]

Or even deployed ammo boxes.

[dusk knot]

I do that

[hearty bluff]

I tag and people ignore it I'm just like "ok go rush and die then" lmfao

[winter vessel]

I have to remind in chat, to not waste medi paks if you have more than one corruption bar in your health bar, because then it’s just a waste.

[dusk patrol]

Honestly I will say, if I have a vet in a game their coherency buff means I almost never have to worry about gauntlet ammo

[hearty bluff]

I'm an absolute magpie for kills, especially when the psyker does that glowy stuff around someone's head.

"ooh look easy headshot"

Though I can understand why people would get mad at me for it.

But idk what shit does. Lasgun go pew

[winter vessel]

Eh it kinda feels like a dick move. But then again, we’re all rejects on a suicide mission.

So forget fairness!

[rustic spruce]

Mfw i gotta go on papa nurgle’s wild ride

[dusk patrol]

It’s nice as Ogryn because even if I try I can’t steal kills with my melee weapons

[hearty bluff]

Ogryn go krump

[dusk knot]

I try to hit elites and hoards to protect my squad

[winter vessel]

POV: the last thing a Scab gunner/bomber sees when I had enough of his grenades.

[hearty bluff]

Angry shovel noises

[winter vessel]

Seriously, besides Trappers, bombers also make this personal

[dusk knot]

I like how you can see inside the grenade box for the ogryn

[hearty bluff]

I maybe a cadian, but I'll never underestimate the power of a good strong shovel.

[rustic spruce]

I love when a trapper spawns behind me

[storm jungle]

POV: the last thing a veteran sees as they resort to the shittiest melee weapon in the game

https://tenor.com/view/nigel-marven-bob-rod-arthur-prehistoric-park-net-gif-26520977

[winter vessel]

When I see my teammates get snared by a trapper, Shovel: “allow me to introduce myself”

Then again, you can’t go wrong with a catachan Knife, not sword, KNIFE.

[dusk patrol]

My favorite thing about trappers is the dumb sound they make when they realize they brought a net gun to a grenade gauntlet fight.

[storm jungle]

They are no joke either way

all you need to take down a titan is just let this guy climb up to the cockpit and net the titan princeps

EZ

[celest dome]

Knife is so fun

[rustic spruce]

The longer the knife, the stronger you become

[winter vessel]

When they breach the Titan

[storm jungle]

[dusk knot]

tbf you've still got like a decent number of people in a titan

[rustic spruce]

Imperiums face when the orks have managed to build a mega gargant

[dusk patrol]

No they just leave the insides of these priceless machines unguarded

[rustic spruce]

Honestly do ork spores just remember the knowledge of previous orks

[bitter raven]

how is total war and warhammer darktide the same universe

like you c an be that fat nurgle guy in total war and learn all the nurgle lore

[arctic talon]

they aren't

[dusk knot]

it honestly depends how much are you willing to suspend your disbelief

[arctic talon]

the guy isn't in the 40k universe

or rather

the mutated mortal guy

[celest dome]

Orks have genetic memory

[arctic talon]

Ku'gath is in both settings

but that applies to most daemons

[celest dome]

Most Daemon are in both

[bitter raven]

its a strange parallel

[arctic talon]

Only exception are the slaaneshi twins

but the event that birthed them

only happened in AOS

[rustic spruce]

Saves gw money on copyrighting the names

[arctic talon]

That also lol

[bitter raven]

why do the blue space marines have red helmets