40k-lore-chat

[atomic pelican]

Mass lobotomization is guard training 🥁

[minor lance]

Have you seen a penitent engine?

[arctic talon]

And actually lemme pull up

All the punishments

For things in the guard

BRB

[crisp heath]

the survival of a species outweighs any immediate concerns for individuals, there are no other alternatives, thus they are the best for humans

[arctic talon]

Except most of the things the imperium does are uncessary

[minor lance]

They are in a sense, yes

However, they are also evil

[arctic talon]

And they’re also still evil

[plush mason]

that is gone be like a 500 page list i bet @arctic talon

[atomic pelican]

Humanity survived before and without the imperium

[arctic talon]

Being a protagonist

Doesn’t mean it’s not evil

[atomic pelican]

There are still pockets of humanity untouched LMAO

[arctic talon]

It’s only for basic stuff lol

BRB

[crisp heath]

you guys say there are alternatives but all of them are either gone or put humanity way lower on the priority list

[minor lance]

We're mostly just saying the IoM is evil

Which they are

[arctic talon]

The imperium doesn’t need to whip a guy to death

Because he didn’t shine his shoes

Lol

[minor lance]

They are the best alternative for humanity living, overall, yes

[arctic talon]

The laws are absurd

[tribal plank]

personally, I love the theory that says that the Emperor planned for everything (even what appears as his mistakes during the horus heresy), for him to slowly build his divinity in the warp. He always said that he was just a man and refused to be worshipped, but who knows if this wasn't just an excuse to force the heresy by outcasting lorgar and the world bearers before even horus succumbs to the chaos.

After all, the emperor did get powers from the chaos gods. After not giving them whatever they wanted in return, he may have realised that no matter how powerful he was in the mortal realm, he wouldn't be able to face them. Thus, he may have devised a (quite dramatic) plan to be reborn as a true god. Only then would he be on equal footing against the chaos gods

[minor lance]

But they are also 1objectively evil

[arctic talon]

The imperium can be evil

And still be humanities best hope presently

Those things aren’t mutually exclusive

[plush mason]

the imperium doesnt put humanity first tho. it puts a very small number of humans first and all the rest dead last

[crisp heath]

barely, they lost almost everything and only through unification have become strong enough to just barely hold off the threats they come up against, sure there might be an untouched colony here and there, but what happens when by themselves they come up against the sheer mass of one of the larger ork waaaghs or find they are living on a tomb world

[crisp heath]

There is corruption within it and self serving individuals just as there are heroic and selfless individuals within it all with varying degrees of zeal and pragmatism

[plush mason]

humanity is fucked in 40k no matter how you look at it. the dream of the human race is long dead

[arctic talon]

Just saying

lol

[atomic pelican]

Suicide is illegal, the punishment is death

[plush mason]

now humanity fights for its mere existence and even that has been largely sacrificed to stay alive

[arctic talon]

This one is pretty unsevere

[crisp heath]

that is dereliction of duty which has harsh punishment even today...

[arctic talon]

for the crime

[arctic talon]

Commiting suicide in the military doesn't get you killed

[minor lance]

Again, the Imperium is the best chance mankind has at survivall... That is meant to be a terrifying thought

[arctic talon]

It just gets you discharged

[atomic pelican]

It'd be kind of funny if it did

[arctic talon]

Or rather

attempting suicide

[crisp heath]

purposefully wounding yourself to avoid your duties can result in court martial iirc

[arctic talon]

that can

but inflicting self harm also includes suicide

in the imperium

Or rather suicide attempts

[plush mason]

i mean. it only says self harm so a soldier could accidently shoot themselves in the foot or hand and then get killed for it

[minor lance]

Court martial, yes. FLAYED? no

[arctic talon]

also this

Lol

[plush mason]

lol

[atomic pelican]

Mfw I accidentally drop my gun and am immediately field executed for mistreatment of equipment

Most efficient fighting force

[plush mason]

yup

[arctic talon]

officers excluded

[plush mason]

was there not a case during the fall of cadia where a guardsmen drops his gun to help some refugees and a junior commissar shoots him in the head for it and then a senior commissar shoots that idiot commissar in the head for that

[arctic talon]

Yes

there's also an instance

in the cadia stands book

[crisp heath]

I do wonder why those writings are taken as totally 100% canon across the imperium considering we have guard stories that contradicts this shtuff

but w/e

[arctic talon]

because

its in the infantrymans uplifting primer

the book all guardsmen are issued

These are the standarized punishments

[crisp heath]

That no one seems to actually follow

ever

[arctic talon]

Where a junior comissar executes a guardsmen

for trying to help someone onto a ship

[crisp heath]

when was the last time they even published it

[arctic talon]

who's injured

2008

its from 5th edition

[crisp heath]

lol

[arctic talon]

which is still relevant

if you say 5th edition lore is non canon then thats objectively wrong

[plush mason]

unless something is directly retconned afaik it is still canon regardless of how old it is

[arctic talon]

It was also released alongside the damoclease gulf campaign

as an example of

[atomic pelican]

Inquisitor Clouseau is still canon, even got a recent mention iirc

[arctic talon]

what the guardsmen in it would recieve

He did

lol

[atomic pelican]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

He's mentioned in an inqusitorial report

about one of the current warzones

in the imperium

wait nvm

he isn't mentioned by name

[atomic pelican]

It's his initials I think

[arctic talon]

but its signed by Inquisitor O.S.C

yeah

[plush mason]

lol

GW loves to tease shit like that

[arctic talon]

someday he will receive a glorious redesign

also if you want even more proof the imperium isn't good

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/?fbclid=IwAR0KGWT1z9rbO7pQJCmihn5CnQpKPUAyWDa2iHs3JXChNLtv3syI5-qOSp4

@crisp heath

Inside here

From GW themselves

You can have an evil protaganist

protaganist has never meant good

the Imperium is the protagonist but they're absurdly evil

[plush mason]

but yeah. the imperium is evil as shit and it is not that it is the best option for humanity or even the only one. its that most humans in the imperium simply can not escape it

[minor lance]

I do think it's the best option

[plush mason]

hell they only became the protag when their sales started to spike

[minor lance]

but that's the scary part

[arctic talon]

nah they always were the protag

always had the most lore and minis lol

[plush mason]

fair

[arctic talon]

But its fine

Imperium stuff sells

its relatable to an extent

because they're humans

[plush mason]

ye

damn human psychology

[arctic talon]

also I like the Imperium

because they're absurdly evil

[plush mason]

same

[arctic talon]

they marched a billion Tau into a volcano

which was fucking hilarious in the most fucked up way possible

[plush mason]

im sure the dudes watching that happen in universe got a good chuckle from that

[crisp heath]

i mean just as much as xenophobia is human psychology so is xenophilia

[arctic talon]

Its not so much xenophobia

as the humans are relatable

they think like us(sort of)

and talk like us

[plush mason]

not in the imperium tho. that is what we are saying

[crisp heath]

yeah I'm just saying its not like the other factions aren't popular in spite of being nonhuman

[arctic talon]

ye

[plush mason]

the imperium dose not fight for humanity. humanity died before the imperium even happened the imperium fights for its own survival

[arctic talon]

Non Imperium and Non chaos space marine sales make up like

60%

of GW's profit for 40k

[minor lance]

Has that changed? Cause SMs alone used to outself all xenos by themselves

[arctic talon]

yes

[minor lance]

That makes me happy.

[arctic talon]

SMs no longer outsell all xenos

[crisp heath]

I disagree entirely

[arctic talon]

daemons + Xenos

outsell human stuff

but thats prolly due to the fact that uh

[minor lance]

What a glorious age.

[arctic talon]

most imperium players have a huge collection already

[minor lance]

It's a shame I am moving over to Kill Team cause it's more fun

[plush mason]

what do you define humanity as?

[crisp heath]

Like I said, xenophilia is prevalent throughout humanity

[minor lance]

[plush mason]

again not in the imperium as that gets you killed

[minor lance]

I think Merican means irl here

[plush mason]

and that is irrelevant

[crisp heath]

If you mean humanity as in some form of morality you can say the imperium does not have it but I moreso mean humanity in a literal sense

humanity as some morality thing is very vague though and would be defined differently person to person

[minor lance]

As a note, just because the imperium is evil does not mean everyone in the imperium is evil.

[plush mason]

ofc not

[minor lance]

Those who are not extremely evil are all the more heroic for it

[plush mason]

yup

[crisp heath]

though the degree to which humanity as a species is defined seems very variable itself within the setting due to the present of stable mutants and transhumanist shtuff

[plush mason]

but. are you really a hero if you fight to keep a broken system?

[plush mason]

yup. a lot of the "humans" in the imperium are just barely human by irl standards

[minor lance]

If you do it for others, yes. Not every citizen is a zealot. And even a few zealots have acted out of what one would expect

[plush mason]

"hope is but the first step on the road to disappointment"

btw the votann are taking a very big risk by reveling themselves to the imperium. unless they can make themselves completely irreplaceable to the imperium in some way it will turn on them should it survive

ofc that should not be too hard for them to due + the imperium may not survive the current crises

[minor lance]

Nah, the Imperium will pull an Eldar with them

Warring with the Votann would be crippling, just like with the Eldar

[plush mason]

true

[minor lance]

Except the LoV will fight to the last, where the Eldar are a lot more... Death averse

[plush mason]

besides it will take 1000s of years for the imperium to recover should it survive

assuming it even can recover

[minor lance]

like do remember that Kin tech is 'better' than Tau

Cause they didn't do the whole 'scared of old tecfh' thing

I always think "LoV isn't evil enough" and then I remembered they perform the equivelant of an exterminatus cause there's shiny rocks inside

[plush mason]

ye

[bleak oar]

And they armed the T'au. How much more evil can you get /s

[arctic talon]

Mmm tasty rock

[gleaming heron]

Can someone explain to me why Inquisitor Grendyl is a torso or whatever that scene means?

[storm jungle]

He more or so keeps himself anonymous

so he just used a decapitated servitor and projected his voice through it while shifting through holographic faces

pretty much imagine someone facetime'ing you but the person you are talking to constantly changes their appearances while kinda keeping the same distorted voice

[gleaming heron]

Ohh okay that explains it all, I was really confused about that, because I thought Inquisitors were supposed to be humans not servitors hahahaha

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah nah

[gleaming heron]

so he was basically doing a Zoom call to the Rejects

[storm jungle]

He basically prob has better shit to do so he literally just grimdark Zoom called-

YES

[gleaming heron]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

His subordinates can be seen around the ship so they are the one handling the task properly. He more or so called in to tell them to get this shit done

[gleaming heron]

Also another funny thing to me is that out of nowhere the room is full of rejects (when you save the captain in the intro it's her "pardoning" you as an exception)

[storm jungle]

Yeee

its basically "the player character" being designated among the other characters

a bit like how your Guardian in Destiny is suppose to be the main character but you also see so many other player Guardians everywhere

[gleaming heron]

And is it normal in the 40kverse for humans to be so subservient to that extreme? I felt really weird when my Psyker was acting like a little doggy and praising the Emperor

and all the other characters are kinda like that too

I mean they are literally prisoners sentenced to death

but still love the fact that I feel like the bad guys or when playing, all the servitors around the ship, the flying skulls (servo skulls?) it's so edgy and gritty

[plush mason]

so this time a psyker i ran with mentioned "type 7 ogryn"

any info on those?

[gleaming heron]

Right, I got those lines too

or at least in my case it was like two of the characters were talking about meeting Type 7 Ogryns in the past, but they were still a little different from insert Ogryn teammate

[plush mason]

yeah

[gleaming heron]

No clue about that but maybe someone can bless these ravaged minds with some lore

[storm jungle]

Basically he has to be subservient to some extent for the sake of plot. The german male psyker voice has to be THE most rebellious one though which makes him really stand out, its great

He pretty much pokes holes in half the shit the Imperium does its great

[gleaming heron]

awww kinda miss not having chosen that voice, I got the jamaican-ish (the one that felt like belongs to the default Psyker), because the other two voices sound too crazy/loud

especially the "MY BELOVED!!" one

that one is really annoying

[plush mason]

that voice is the one that worked for the enforcers for years so

they would be the most subservient by default

[gleaming heron]

Anyway that it comes to mind, are zealots supposed to be something akin to illegal preachers? As in they were normal citizens but had lots of faith and go around like vigilantes

or are they actually sanctioned/official representatives of the Empire

[plush mason]

yeah basically. they are useful at times but the ecclesiarchy often sees them as a liability and have used them as disposable fodder at times

[rapid dock]

so what the hell is Bastion-22 Combat Stance

is it just 'aim for the head'

[plush mason]

meaning they may let the zealots purge a cult. and then purge all the zealots themselves after

[gleaming heron]

That's when you ult with Psyker right?

[plush mason]

no. the vet professional voice says that

[rapid dock]

with uhh Veteran

[gleaming heron]

Ohh okay then I must pay attention to the psyker next time he says something about a combat stance or combat mode thing

whenever you reset peril/use ult

[gleaming heron]

It might have something to do with the Bastion Sector which is constantly attacked by Khorne Chaos Space Marines

Since it's an ability that highlights elite targets it's maybe related to the fact that Space Marines are superheroes/villains basically

[rapid dock]

It could also be a phonetic alphabet sort of thing

since that same voice calls trappers 'Traxis-77'

but that's a good interpretation yeah

[plush mason]

its likely got something to do with the fringe war

cause the voice that says it is a local to the sector

[gleaming heron]

Looked up at some notes I took while playing and was wondering about the "desert" enemies (the ones that have the regular AR's and not lasguns), are they original creations for the game or does that faction exist

[plush mason]

those are the cult of admolision or whatever

aka the guys responsible for all this bullshit

[gleaming heron]

so they are like the Moebian Sixth (or part of them now at least) but more nurgle-ish

[gleaming heron]

the train crash with the Poxwalker virus cloud etc etc right?

[plush mason]

iirc the cult converted the 6th after they where called in to wipe them out

ofc the 6th where already traitors by the time they got to atoma but the cult got them to join nurgle

[gleaming heron]

oh okay then that explains the scene where the guard is kneeling

[plush mason]

ye

[gleaming heron]

didn't notice that right away the intro is full of little details

Let's see if Fatshark ends up including more chaos god variation in future updates, would love to see Slaanesh enemies; Nurgle will always be the best especially for these type of games but the more the merrier

[plush mason]

are latin names common in the imperium?

[golden torrent]

Only fake latin

[mossy mortar]

I thought they are just tribal underhive ones. The faction is called dregs ingame

[cyan oxide]

they are prob just non traitor guard cultist

[plush mason]

they are yes

[plush mason]

that is just the nickname we use for them. just like how the 6th are called scabs

[charred tulip]

if you can think of a culture that exists, there WILL be a space version of it, and its names will be both in that culture and scattered wherever else it feels thematic to stick them

space Germans, other space Germans, space German-French fatalists, space mongols, space Soviet Russians, space cossacks, space Zulu War-era Britishers, space Laurence of Arabia, space Rambo on planetary scale, space prisoner crack addicts, points to anyone who names any of the lot there

so, yes, at some point someone and some entire culture will have Latin names, or fake Latin names, or Italic names, either as a part of the pastiche High Gothic language or a local tongue

there are, in fact, Space Romans, space SEPERATIST Romans, in one of the tabletop RPGs, whose leader and namesake of his polity is conspicuously Roman but also just sounds like 'severed' as in 'separated' as in REBELS https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Severan_Dominate

and his traitor (but distinctly not Chaotic) forces are even MORE conspicuously Latin-Roman

you are very much safe to be Gaius Julius Biggus Dickus Romanus Popackus Caesar III or whatever it is that takes you

[solid thicket]

until the tyranids come

[charred tulip]

or the orks, or the orks and tyranids, or

[crisp heath]

So Psykers are generally disliked in the Imperium, right? Why are they being allowed in the Mourningstar?

[gilded cobalt]

They are dangerous weapons in the right (or wrong) circumstances. Just gotta harness the energy right and not have em fall to chaos

[solid thicket]

they're mistrusted and almost kos but not quite

being under an inquisitor isnt that crazy, most have some sort of colleciton of them

[crisp heath]

some psykers become sanctioned psykers where they undergo training to not accidnetally kill themselves by misunderstanding their powers, others that are deemed too dangerous (normally to themselves but also the people around them) are used as fodder to keep the emperor alive or are simply just shot in the face and forgotten

[full bane]

Psykers play some pretty essential roles in the Imperium, they're witches and distrusted, but interstellar communications in the setting are reliant on them, and many organisations make use of them, including the Inquisition.

[dawn dune]

In most guard vs enemy situations the Guard has a better chance fighting Orkz and Heretics than they do fighting Eldar, Tau, Necrons, or Tyranids

[charred tulip]

think of a psyker as the living, breathing, human-metaphysical equivalent equivalent to nitroglycerin

in much the same way as nitrous fertilizer can eventualy become bombe, human beings are by some freak genetic happenstance sometimes born as psykers; might be heritable, might not be, might be capable of being inducted, depends on time, circumstance, writer

a psyker is essentially someone who makes things happen by pure thought

[iron rampart]

So I was thinking about the lore and uh. Darktide’s lore is technically impossible to be occurring

[charred tulip]

this is, of course, incredibly fucking volatile, especially because 40k is a fucked up universe and has been fucked up a long time, to the point that everyone's collective emotions/dreamspace/subconscious- the Warp, or the Immaterium, which is as much a shared body of all things that have a soul as it is a semi-real metaphysical place parallel to physical reality- is not a nice place to be

in much the same way as nitroglycerin has a tendency to spontaneously explode if you shake it funny, psykers have a bad tendency of going off if they think funny, or if a living thought-being (daemons and the like) thinks of them funny

so, what do you do with nitroglycerine?

1: you dispose of it professionally, with an EOD specialist
2: render it down to more advanced compounds
3: just fuckin tamp that shit with a filler material in a stick and make dynamite
the principal with psykers is really not very different

1: kill them exceedingly dead as apostate witches if they're uncontrollable, uncatchable and thus unuseful to the Imperium, or
2: catch them, get them on a Black Ship, induct, sanction, and train them into the brain-lightning-throwing space wizard equivalent of high explosives
3: feed the bastards to the Emperor on the Golden Throne so he stops dying as fast

[full bane]

Nothing is truly impossible in 40k, it's a big universe, Darktide's concept fits pretty well into the setting as well.

[copper coral]

Where space marine darktide

[plush mason]

no where thankfully

[copper coral]

Nooo i wanna fight spac marn

[wise cove]

zealots (in tabletop) are essentially members of a volunteer militia directed by the ecclesiarchy when they declare a war of faith. the inquisition tends to monitor them pretty closely because they're essentially faith-based mobs that regularly go around raping and pillaging the locals if left to their own devices for too long.

the zealot in darktide is not a normal zealot, however; they're a preacher. preachers are recognized members of the ministorum and are leaders of a particular parish. in 40k terms a preacher is basically your local pastor, and there are hundreds of them in any given jurisdiction.

[charred tulip]

psykers are thus dangerous, in need of control, but useful, even if they're (perhaps rightly) feared as literal witches in need of burning by much the unwashed masses who will explode into evil thoughtforms if you don't oppress them hard enough (and they do so)

they're useful for combat, sure, but they're also extreme long-range communications vectors, like physics defying human telegraph machines, as well as mind-readers, future-seers, or whatever else one might think capable to do by just thinking of it

[copper coral]

Psyker do darth vader force choke??

[charred tulip]

yeah that's a thing they might do, not sure if that'd fall under Biomancy of Telekinesis though

[iron rampart]

Well, its not a major thing, its a matter of when it takes place.

Cadia Fell at the very end of M41. 999 and the game takes place before that date yet still has a destroyed Cadia.

Meaning dates don’t line up at all

[charred tulip]

maybe both? on the one hand, crush their windpipe by making their windpipe muscles do it itself, and on the other just forcibly compress it with brute psykic force

[arctic talon]

the game takes place post Citrix malidictium

so

I have a feeling that time is just fucked up rn

[iron rampart]

But the opening says M41 and no great rift mentioned.

[wise cove]

not all psykers are equally dangerous. i can't think of any examples off of the top of my head of, say, an astropath losing himself to the warp

[arctic talon]

Or rather G-man hasn't re standardized time yet

[arctic talon]

great rift is mentioned in game

[iron rampart]

Heck

[plush mason]

we dont know the exact date but it takes place in the indomitus era

[arctic talon]

By both the zealot, psyker and

Morrow

who informs them about it

[wise cove]

the game literally mentions the indomitus crusade on many occasions

[plush mason]

as is the indomitus crusade

[copper coral]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

Dinosaurs in 40k???

[iron rampart]

I haven’t encountered that yet, welp. Oh well

[full bane]

The game takes place post Indomitus Crusade.

There's a voiceline where two Ogryn characters discuss it.

[wise cove]

back to this, though. it's much more common for a psyker who's undergone the soul-binding - so basically any sanctioned psyker - to just... get used up and die than it is for them to fall to chaos.

[arctic talon]

^

[plush mason]

iirc it seems to be during the crusade as it is mentioned in present tense

[arctic talon]

Psykers sometimes just die horrifically

or die

[wise cove]

astropaths die every day by the millions because their bodies just can't handle the strain

[arctic talon]

Falling to chaos is less likely then them like

having their mind give out

[arctic talon]

me when the entire astropathic choir on Baal dies due to the Citrix opening

[wise cove]

or their body to literally crumble into dust from being used as a conduit for literal unlimited power

[arctic talon]

yeah being a psyker fuckin sucks

[plush mason]

hell given the title of the whole setting is warhammer 40k it would be confusing for a lot of people if the intro said it was the 42nd millennium

[arctic talon]

^

[wise cove]

your average disgruntled agri-toiler or hive city-goer is far more likely to succumb to chaos and heresy than any sanctioned psyker

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

Mfw the sanctioned psyker begins screaming

[surreal apex]

This is just a little speculation, but, it has been the 41st millennium for a thousand years. In that millennium and the ones before it, so much logic and sense has been lost to mindless, unquestioning adherence to their authority and corrupt education. Every human would have grown up knowing "it is the 41st mellinnium" and probably not even know what that means.

[full bane]

At least up until the Psykers get deployed on Chaos corrupted battlefields where the veil is weak

[surreal apex]

ogryns definitely don't

[full bane]

Then the madness really gets to take root.]

[arctic talon]

Tbf on chaos corrupted battlefields everyone is more likely to fall

[full bane]

Yeah, but Psykers do so in a spectacular way.

[copper coral]

How long emperor cock canon?????

[wise cove]

sanctioned psykers literally get a driver update for their brain from the emperor that reinforces their willpower with his. it's pretty metal

[charred tulip]

the problem isn't the LIKELYHOOD of falling

it is as Phantasm says that when a Psyker falls or fucks up or causes/exists in/near a breach that EXTRA BAD SHIT HAPPENS

[full bane]

Get the astropath update package, swap out eyes for the best Wi-Fi connection ever.

[plush mason]

i just thought of something. darktide is literally going to be a lot of people's introduction to 40k just like dow1 and 2 where for people like me

[charred tulip]

because the equivalent of a lucid dreamer inside of reality has both lost lucidity and restraint

[wise cove]

anyway, let's talk about my favorite and objectively coolest people in the imperium

the missionaries

[charred tulip]

do we mean the eviscerator-wielding psycho doorknockers to disparate, separated human civilizations

or the meek regular doorknockers to disparate, separated human civilizations

thin line, that

[full bane]

Not the Water Cartels?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/reZAaYHS6h7J84Jn.jpg

[arctic talon]

I think it’s funny how water cartels are on every hive world

[full bane]

The Necromundan ones are pretty cool

[arctic talon]

Pretty funny how

Well poor

They are compared to the necromunda ones

[charred tulip]

listen, everybody needs clean water, it's a valuable resource, it's in short supply in a shithole megacity, so there's gonna be a cartel, au naturel, to control and reap profit on that supply

[wise cove]

missionaries are essentially the texas rangers of the ministorum and regularly just get to vibe with equally cool people - rogue traders - and spend their lives studying a noncompliant planet and learning how to subvert its culture and religion into becoming a compliant world that will pay tithe to the imperium

[full bane]

Yeah, they don't even have an Ogryn augmented to carry massive water tankers.

[arctic talon]

Pretty sure that’s an ambot right

[wise cove]

they get to do whatever the fuck they want, whenever the fuck they want, and basically nobody gets to question their methods

[arctic talon]

Yep

[full bane]

Random fun fact, one of the ship components you could install into a ship in the Rogue Trader RPG is the Drop Cathedral.

[plush mason]

i mean. water is the most important thing for life. a human can only go about 3 days without any water iirc. so ofc water would be one of the most valuable resources on a hive world where the ego system has long collapsed into one giant desert

[full bane]

It does exactly what you think it does.

[wise cove]

they have their own voidships and their own missionary fleet, and they can request assistance from virtually any branch of the imperium and it will usually be granted because the tithe must flow

[full bane]

Now ace that skill test to drop it straight onto the locals place of worship to spread the good word of the Emperor!

[wise cove]

they'll use the imperium's understanding of science and technology to manufacture miracles and planned omens as "proof" of the emperor's divinity while progressively engineering a planet's society/culture toward emperor-worship over, sometimes, the course of generations if necessary

kind of like the bene gesserits in dune did with the fremen

[plush mason]

or how some early christian missionaries did irl

[wise cove]

yeah, well i mean

it's all based on something

[plush mason]

ye

[wise cove]

but 40k has a long tradition of borrowing (stealing) from dune

[plush mason]

ye

[fickle mortar]

Yes

[iron cave]

I recieved a twitch drop, but I can't find it live, perhaps after beta?

[iron cave]

Not as much as Warcraft stole from Warhammer. Fun fact Wahammer was supposed to be warcraft IP but Blizzard couldnt get the deal done so they just ripped it off

[arctic talon]

Warcraft 1 getting entirely retconned because of it kekw

[dusk patrol]

Yeah its gonna be post beta

[iron cave]

I do love Frank Herbert and you can see so much dune influence for sure

[glass basin]

Angron killed yarrick might be confirmed? New world eater and guardsman codex as clues

[wise cove]

it definitely went both ways. games workshop changed the tyranid design to look like zerg ripoffs in third edition (i think that's the one). there are other examples but i'm too tired to list them off of the top off of my head. anyway, it was really funny when gw tried to sue blizzard for ripping them off for things that they plagiarized directly from tolkien... who stole them whole-cloth from various european/scandinavian folk tales and mythology, lmao

and it's not that blizzard "couldn't get the deal done"; they wanted full creative control over the project because of IP-related meddling they'd dealt with in the past and GW said no. they'd already begun development on the game so they just kept on trucking

anyway, as far as sci-fi/fantasy ripoffs go it's not even close to being the worst offender

[iron cave]

Youre funny lol

[wise cove]

paramount settled out of court with JMS over DS9 ripping off babylon 5 because it was blatant enough for there to be an actual court case; they also ripped off an indie game dev for the entire first season plot and cast of star trek discovery; TNG ripped off ursula k leguin like literally 1:1... paramount is the king of science fiction plagiarism, lol

[dusk patrol]

At least we know who had the last laugh on having a beloved product

[wise cove]

the wachowskis like

openly stole from grant morrison

for the matrix

[dusk patrol]

Everyone steals from everyone, more at 7

[wise cove]

yeah, but there's a difference between "similar plot and character archetypes" to "literal acts of plagiarism that could/would stand in court cases if it weren't for lawyer-money being a thing" and there's a pretty broad gap between warcraft/starcraft and literal, wholesale plagiarism

[plush mason]

so what is this "lex" my psyker keeps talking about?

[iron cave]

Its really bad when your close to a licensing deal, but then you rip it off. That's so overt

Ironically Paramount is one of the most agressive in protecting it's IP Too

[dusk patrol]

I feel like we can make the distinction between what is proven in court and what is actually right

[wise cove]

lex literally means law in latin. lex atoma = the law of atoma

[dusk patrol]

There’s thing I’m sure about which I know would never hold up in court, and I’m glad they wouldn’t because I can’t provide enough proof

[wise cove]

atoma is the name of the system/sector/whatever of space they're in

[dusk patrol]

I believe it’s the system in this case

[plush mason]

ah

[wise cove]

the moebian domain is an independent fiefdom under imperial compliance that pays tithes

they have their own laws and their own cultural/religious practices; surprisingly, the imperium is pretty obliging when it comes to your local culture's belief structure and government as long as you pay tithe and venerate the emperor

[arctic talon]

So long as the tithe is paid and the emperor is respected

[wise cove]

they don't really give a fuck how you rule apart from that

[arctic talon]

The imperium keeps out of the way

Also as long as you don’t break any laws like

Hoarding STC’s

[wise cove]

in a lot of ways it mirrors the way the macedonians conquered the known world under alexander. as long as you paid tribute and acknowledged alexander's authority you were (usually) free to rule, retain your culture, etc

[plush mason]

and so long as you agree to let them appoint a ruler

[arctic talon]

tbf that one varries

if the present ruler is loyal and such

they'll stay

[wise cove]

a lot of the time the "appointed ruler" happens to be "the same ruler as long as he acknowledges our rule"

[arctic talon]

otherwise there will be some "mild" change in power

but don't pay the tithe and the imperium will come down like a hammer

[plush mason]

it becomes a problem when the world wants to form an elective government as the fall of cyrine showed. assuming that is still canon

[arctic talon]

Depends heavily on tithe

Large tithe grades make the imperium take a more direct hand

[wise cove]

even that depends. tithes occur on, like, a generational scale, so even if your planet decides to tell them to get bent and even repels the initial retaliation, chances are it's gonna be your kids suffering for your crimes, not you

[arctic talon]

smaller ones the imperium usually stays ignores

[wise cove]

and what's taken as tithe varies a lot, afaik

sometimes it's resources; sometimes it's people

[plush mason]

unless a SM chapter asked them to exterminatus said world cause reasons

[wise cove]

space marine chapters don't need to ask someone else to do that for them

[arctic talon]

^

they can just do it

[plush mason]

this is the blood ravens we are talking about

[arctic talon]

there's a ton of dif tithe grades

and tithe classes

a world like irl earth rn

would prolly just have a tithe of industrial stuff, raw resources, and soldiers

we don't have enough heavy industry for advanced stuff that the imperium wants

[wise cove]

afaik the only thing that the astartes would need to ask permission for is to take recruits from a planet that's not under their direct control

and they generally don't want to do that anyway because they're all little cults with their own esoteric mystery rituals

[arctic talon]

Settling a homeworld is a big one

They need to ask about

if they're fleet based

[wise cove]

i can't think of an example of a chapter having to ask for a homeworld; generally they're given one when they're founded, and then they'll get given another one eventually if it gets blown up

or just be a fleet chapter

[plush mason]

the blood ravens dont have the capabilities to do exterminatus so they have to depend on imperial or inquisitional fleets for that iirc

[arctic talon]

I'd assume they can't just take one, they'd have to be gifted one/ask for one

I.E The Flesh Tearers were fleet based

up until they found cretacia

we dunno how long it took for them to actually set up shop on it tho

[wise cove]

i'm pretty sure if the astartes find and take a world that isn't claimed they can just do whatever they want. it's only if a planet has been marked for tithe that they have no authority to just do whatever they want

ultimately it doesn't really matter tho because if they really want it they're gonna get it one way or another

[arctic talon]

lol true

[wise cove]

the only people that really get to tell astartes no are other astartes and, like, a really big fleet that probably has better things to do

then the astartes get into a slapfighting tournament and whoever wins gets the thing

pretty lit tbh

[plush mason]

so it wasnt that the blood ravens asked permission to exterminatus cyrine its that they had to go "hey, ordo mallius, the people on our homeworld tried to form an elective government and remove the imperial governor from office. we didnt let them they rioted and somehow let a demon lose and yall come exterminatus this bitch for us please?"

as i said im not sure how canon that whole event is

as it is purely just DoW lore

[arctic talon]

If it’s dow2

[wise cove]

dow should have been about the salamanders

[arctic talon]

It’s canon

[wise cove]

send tweet

[arctic talon]

DoW 1

Has dif canon like

Paths

That are canon

[plush mason]

its lore from both titles

cyrine is part of the blood ravens back story and the fall of it happened 150 before dow1 iirc

and as im not sure if the blood ravens are an entirely canon chapter or not im not sure how canon any of their specific lore is

[arctic talon]

They’re canon

The events of DoW 2 for the blood ravens are canon

Iirc avitus turning traitor is canon

[plush mason]

so its canon that the inquisition nuked a planet for trying to start a democracy as the whole demon thing was likely just a cover story

ofc kryptman is a thing so that is not at all out of character for the inquisition lol

[celest dome]

Are they canon for the whole of warhammer, or just for the DoW trilogy

[plush mason]

iirc they are mentioned as one of the chapters that got their primaris so i guess they are?

[dawn dune]

anyone know what 73-7 is suppose to mean?

[celest dome]

Last time it was asked, I think someone said it was the Prison ship you are on during the prologue has those number somewhere

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

Whole of warhammer

They’re mentioned to have participated in the indomitus crusade

And also have received primaris marines

[minor lance]

A rule of thumb is any major release, stuff in it tends to be canon. For example, Tychus of the Ultramarines is canon

The U5 are canon

Etc

Even Cylostra deer fan Direfin is canon

Since GW signs off on stuff like that

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough the U5 were non canon at first

But they got canonized

[minor lance]

Aye, cause VT was on the smaller end

GW almost arbitrarily goes by game popularity and size

[arctic talon]

Also if the lore is good lol

[minor lance]

It's almost something they've been a lot more focused on lately, iirc

[arctic talon]

The U5 had good lore

Along with the blood ravens

[minor lance]

Yup! But they usually have a liaison for writing. Often an already active GW writer.

IIRC Blood Ravens are mentioned in 9th ed

[arctic talon]

Yeah they are

It’s fun

[minor lance]

I am sad they're mentioned as a UM successor

[arctic talon]

They’re mentioned in 8th as wel

[arctic talon]

Not confirmed

[minor lance]

Since lore poiints strongly at them being a loyalist TS

[arctic talon]

They’re labeled as unknown

[minor lance]

That's fair! But the codex recommends treating them as a UM successor

[arctic talon]

But using ultramarine rules/the knowledge is power custom rules

Is recommended

That’s mostly due to them tactically fitting the ultramarines

Pretty well

It’s the same reason the astral claws use ultramarine rules

[minor lance]

That's fair

[arctic talon]

As a baseline

But you can do whatever the heck you want

[minor lance]

I hope their penchant for theft gets made official as a successor

[chrome dragon]

The 40K curse affects any non RTS games and even then the RTS are bungled on the 3rd attempt.

[plush mason]

that seems to be a very optional thing cause some of the lore of the blood ravens is. yeah it flat out seems non canon

[arctic talon]

It is canon that they like nice stuff

[arctic talon]

They pretty much cherry picked some stuff from Dow 1 + dow2

And that’s their canon lore

Their non ultramarine recommended stuff

[plush mason]

smart

[arctic talon]

Is Knowledge is power and master artisans

[chrome dragon]

Didnt they steal a Custodes armor too somehow

[arctic talon]

Master artisans because they “discover” things

And knowledge is power

Because it’s their chapter motto lmao

[arctic talon]

Before the custodes were more clearly defined as a faction

But yeah they did

[minor lance]

Based BLUHD RAHVENS

[plush mason]

is their strange friendship with the grey knights canon?

[arctic talon]

Yes

They have friends in high places

And by high places

I mean the Ordo malleus

Their chapter master has a daemon hammer

[minor lance]

It makes sense that BR and GK would get along

Blood Ravens canonically have a huge amount of psykers

[arctic talon]

Also the BR in canon have a bolt pistol

That is well

Definitely not theirs originally

[minor lance]

Did they have one of Vulkan's relics? I forget

[plush mason]

grey knights to all other chapters: oh shit you cant know we exist
grey knights to the blood ravens: yo whats good bro

[arctic talon]

Not in canon

[minor lance]

I know they have primarch power armor

[arctic talon]

Most of the really absurd stuff

From dow2

Isn’t canon

[minor lance]

Sad/.

[arctic talon]

But they do have some dark angel relics from the great crusade

[minor lance]

Happy

[arctic talon]

And ultramarine relics

And honestly

Random shit

[minor lance]

Perfect

[arctic talon]

Like holy fuck they had a huge pile of random shit they could take

[plush mason]

like Ferrus' hammer

[arctic talon]

In 8th lol

You got to cherry-pick relics from dif chapters

[minor lance]

You did!?

Why don't you get that anymore!?

[arctic talon]

Ye with the FW rules

[minor lance]

[plush mason]

i had no idea they where on the TT

[arctic talon]

Because of how successors chapters work now for gameplay reasons

[minor lance]

Sadddd

[arctic talon]

You choose one like chapter to draw relics from

Then you can either use said chapters rules

Or custom ones

[minor lance]

Tragic

[arctic talon]

Honestly

It’s worse for flavor

But it’s better for fun

Because you didn’t get any of the cool toys

With blood ravens

You just got a bunch of random stuff

[minor lance]

I am sad.

I mean, most people I know wanna go back to 8th

So I may yet have a chance

9th had a lot of great ideas but the power creep is real, and the codecis are awful overall

[plush mason]

how the hell do the blood ravens have so much shit as a fleet chapter anyway? does their flag ship just have a whole deck for vaults or something?

ofc that is likely the norm for fleet chapters come to think of it

[arctic talon]

8th was worse balance wise lol

9th is the most balanced edition we’ve had in a while ironically

There’s no win rates below 40

Which is a first ever in warhammer 40k history

[plush mason]

so why do people not like it?

[sage heart]

hear me up, I have some heretical thoughts to poison your minds and instill doubts: Shipmistress Brahms is in reality "Inquisitor Grendyl" and "Grendyl" does not exist, he is a fictional character invented to the speeches to the disposable units we are. The holographic machine from which "Grendyl" talked to us was clearly some sort of anonymizer machine...and in the middle of the speech it malfunctioned and Brahms voice was clearly audible.
(leaving this seditious note for you all to read in the mess hall)

[plush mason]

lol

[solemn cargo]

Hmm I wonder why that could be

[arctic talon]

Because marines aren’t a good faction

And a majority of players are marine players

Marines are the second worse army in the game rn

Excluding blood angels

Who have a very funny winrate of 56%

[plush mason]

and holy shit thank fuck for that

[arctic talon]

On the other hand most codex marine win rates are like

[celest dome]

The Admech Skitarii force are not great if I understood correctly in 9th ? At least worse of than in 8th

[arctic talon]

42-47

[arctic talon]

Skitarii are the only good part in the admech book

And even then they’re sitting at a 42% wr

But admech just got all their nerfs reverted

Aside from command point stuff in nephilim

So we’ll see how the winrates turn out

[minor lance]

It's balanced but also really bad for fluff.

[arctic talon]

Eh

Not really

[minor lance]

Most people don't play competitively.

[arctic talon]

8th was worse for fluff

Arguably

A lot of armies played very samey

[minor lance]

points to Necrons

[arctic talon]

Guard and Tau felt the exact same

Necrons have always had terrible fluff to crunch

[minor lance]

points to reanimation protocols in 9th being overcomplicated FNP

[plush mason]

i was about to say "smart battlefield tactics, in 40k?! wtf is this heresy"

[minor lance]

IMO 9th has the best core rulebook, but overall worst codices.

[arctic talon]

Yeah prolly

8th and 9th having some sort of middle ground

[minor lance]

Especially with the mortal wound creep

[arctic talon]

Would have been ideal

But uh

Y e a h

[minor lance]

a middle ground between 8th and 9th would have been ideal

[arctic talon]

Hopefully 10th turns things around

Wouldn’t say 9th is the worst because

7th existed

[minor lance]

Oh, 9th isn't the worst

God no

[arctic talon]

And so did 5th

[minor lance]

Absolutely not

[arctic talon]

7th was

Atrocious lol

[minor lance]

It just has some glaring issues

[arctic talon]

Hotshot lasguns

Grav guns

Admech plasma spam

Triptides

The fish of fury

[minor lance]

Like, I started with 6th

The core rules of 9th are easily the best

A good mix of fighty and shooty

[plush mason]

that has to be something with the tau

[arctic talon]

I think if I ever see an entire army that instantly kills marines again

I’ll have ptsd

[arctic talon]

2 of their transports organized in a certain way

Did some really weird shit

[minor lance]

Harlequins can only offer you 2-turning custodes, take it or leave it

[arctic talon]

Till GW fixed it

[arctic talon]

I’ll take it over an entire army of hotshot lol

[minor lance]

Fair ahaha

[arctic talon]

How many grav centurions can this list fit

Before becoming inefficient

[plush mason]

wtf is a grav centurion?

[arctic talon]

Centurion space marine armor with 2 grav cannons + grav amp

Aka you can wipe out a tactical squad in like

Half ur shots

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

Also known as the bane of playing the game

Because space marine mirrors

Were a game of chicken

[full bane]

Fish of Fury was a 3rd/4th edition issue IIRC.

I think by 6th they'd modified the weird jank that was shooting through skimmers, and it wasn't as effective once they implemented hull points.

Also don't forget the free rhinos of 7th

That was very silly

[grim oar]

craszhes after crashes after one round.. wp gg

[minor lance]

This doesn't seem like lore to me.

[celest dome]

What lore hook could make a good video game theme/system ? For all 3,5 IP

Like Dreadfleet Tide game
Age of Sigmar For Honour (Using Spulbound to make Dwarf and Orcs fight alongside each other)
Tuska Daemonkilla Tide game (Ork vs Daemon)
Ork vs Tyranid game

[minor lance]

Dreadfleet. Because I am a simp for undead pirates.

[dusk knot]

freeboota game

[alpine ingot]

Battle fleet Gothic: Ace of Combat. this is my one and only contribution

[sweet trail]

That, that right there sounds glorious.

[scarlet bridge]

hey, theres a massive timer in general and i want to get darktide but im worried about frame rate issues?

[sweet trail]

The timer strikes again, causing people to use channels for their unintended purposes.

I've only really experienced frame issues when it involed lots of fire.

I would recommend sticking such questions in theory crafting. Everyone seems to default to there for that sort of thing when generals hyper slow.

[scarlet bridge]

ok thankss man

[celest dome]

Wasn't there a Ork flyer game that came out at some point ?

Although a pvp with big solo/co-op campaign would be great fun

[minor lance]

yep! apparently it was pretty damn good, too

[dusk knot]

I didn't see much of it after its release

[celest dome]

The only problem with PvP 40k games is that usually they just end up being IoM against Chaos

[dusk knot]

I remember really liking playing as orks in EC

[celest dome]

Weren't they bugged ?

[crisp heath]

Is there a decent lore reason other than subtle chaos corruption for the blood for the emperor line by zealot?

I know worshiping the emperor takes infinite forms but this seems a little heretical

[native wharf]

Many don't know that they worship khorne even if they do. And a fanatical zealot who is very enthusiastic with his purging might just be a khornite in the making

@crisp heath

And yes that voice line might be a hint that the fanatic might a little more heretical than he thinks

[sweet trail]

For khorne!

Praise Chaos the emperor.

As you can see I am a very loyal loyalist as my profile suggests.

[native wharf]

And it is already stated in the lore, that sometime I'm dire situation when a guardsman, pdf, or spacemarine asks the emperor for the strength to overcome his enemies... it is Khorne that answers.

[native wharf]

Hope this answers your question

In essence. Its very easy for any sort of killer to fall to khorne 😁
For he is strength

[wary mesa]

lore wise you're in a prison for a reason, maybe herectic

[languid vapor]

GorkaMorka

[native wharf]

What? A heretic on prison? That can't be true 😈

[minor lance]

Your daily reminder that Mork's DAB EST

[storm jungle]

It's just a funny wink meme-line.

[crisp heath]

I love the scottish voice but I don't want to be a heretic 🥲

[storm jungle]

Play the character you like

a lot of the pro-Imperium characters are already super generic

[celest dome]

Gorki is Krumpiest

[dusk knot]

gork is brutal but kunnin and mork is cunnin but brutal

[celest dome]

You don't even have to have a Scottish voice to be a heretic

[dusk patrol]

I think he’s referring to the line. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

[native wharf]

It's basically up to interpretation I think

[storm jungle]

Again, meme line for people to go "Leo Point" at

dont think too deep about it

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[dusk knot]

cutscenes are so much more hilarious if you are an ogryn

[storm jungle]

The fact that he has to kneel every time is great

[dusk knot]

yeah

[storm jungle]

and even then

HES TOO BIG

[arctic talon]

I wonder if you do a min sized ogryn it'll look even funnier

[dusk knot]

but also Zola is good

we protect her

[arctic talon]

also ngl the cutscene where Hadron says she wish she had you ||executed when she met you|| is fucking hilarious

[gleaming heron]

Is there any official lore regarding prisoners being used/redeemed and sent into missions or is that a game original? (only similar thing that comes to mind is a Servitor or Penitent Engine but obviously that's a prolonged death sentence/suicide mission)

[dusk knot]

penal legions

[dusk knot]

I'm sad this mad lad died

[arctic talon]

Penal legions are common, and inqusitors drag out prisoners all the time

[storm jungle]

He fucked around and found out.

[dusk knot]

that beard and eye should give him plot armour

[arctic talon]

Rip servoskull

It tried

[gleaming heron]

Looks like Kruber

[dusk knot]

but also Morrow is drippy

[dusk patrol]

That entire guard squad was a subtle reference to how equally dogshit your team will be in shooting the exploders

[dusk patrol]

Thank god for the nade gauntlet one shotting them

[arctic talon]

Morrow is cool

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

you fucking killed them dude holy shit

[dusk patrol]

No I believe the exploder did that

[dawn dune]

who is this so called "beloved" the psyker keeps talking about

[dusk knot]

the emperor apparently

[dusk patrol]

Don’t worry we’ll get a ton of shitty clickbait loretuber videos explaining it’s actually Malal or Belakor or some other unsubstantiated bullshit thing

[minor lance]

Is the PSYKER hearing BALAL!?!? | ACTUALLY INSANE 👀 👀 👀

[dusk patrol]

face thumbnail

or this

[minor lance]

It's so accurate it hurts

[tired umbra]

The "beloved" is actually you, the player.

Don't be shy

[sweet trail]

lol, lmao

[minor lance]

THE NEXT UNDERTALE???? ||| WARHAMMER DARKTIDE GOES META ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️

Ok I am hurting myself psychologically I will stop now

[crisp heath]

Do all those character creation choices change your character's commentary?

[celest dome]

Are there single/small crew Combat/Bomber Space ship for most/all factions ?

[crisp heath]

I'd love to hear some homeworld comments or the like, not just click boxes at the start for no reason

[crisp heath]

Generally yes

[celest dome]

Supposedly

[crisp heath]

I know like you get the Cadia line

[celest dome]

But the VA presentation spotlight was not great

[crisp heath]

I was wondering if the beloved line is what you get from 'The Voices'

[celest dome]

Not sure about that

[crisp heath]

It could be like Dragon Age Inquisition where banters aren't firing right yet

That was an issue for a lot of its early runtime

Theorycrafting though: I wonder if the Inquisition doesn't actually kill tons of prisoners exposed to Chaos, just sends them to likely warzones and pulls a Grendyl

"We could kill you, or you could kill Chaos for us, WHELP"

Every survivor ends up a stormtrooper and they're all just kinda, in on it

"Get out there you useless maggot!" Glowers as the prisoners run off

"Weren't those the days, daggit? Back when we thought our next move would be death?"

"Can't believe the poor sods don't realize we all had to do it back in the day."

[minor lance]

Here's the thing, if you go up against enough Chaos and are uncorrupted, you are an asset to the inquisition

[arctic talon]

^

The inquisition also doesn’t execute everyone for seeing chaos now

[minor lance]

So to them, this is a win-win, really.

[dusk knot]

they show that in the opening mission

[arctic talon]

Mostly due to

You know

The fucking great rift

Wouldn’t have much of a population left

[minor lance]

Either we die killing heretics, get corrupted and so what we lost a few reject prisoners, or stand fast and survive - proving ourselves to be reliable and valuable.

[arctic talon]

And the existence of the grey knights isn’t really a you’ll die/get mindwiped deal as well

[minor lance]

Otherwise the Inquisition and GK would have... Uhh... There'd be a lot more violence there.

[arctic talon]

Yeah the grey knights are

All over the place rn

[minor lance]

GK generally will mass murder everyone to be safe, though. But if the inquisition is involved, they'll normally take a step back

[arctic talon]

They will normally

[minor lance]

But also that lore is even more inconsistent than most

So

[arctic talon]

But they don’t have time rn

[minor lance]

[arctic talon]

Tbh

Great rift really doesn’t let them

They have so many things to deal with

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think we have any examples of it tbh

Mostly it seems each personality has a preset rough story and outline and they just use that

Like your character can make fun of a Cadian personality preset, when your character is from Cadia

[rare cloud]

Uwu

[storm jungle]

Some elements actually still do.

[arctic talon]

Lol fair enough

[storm jungle]

BUT

[dusk patrol]

It’s extreme cases

[storm jungle]

the codex outright says this is just a braindead strategy with the great fucking rift still wide open

[dusk patrol]

Like Grey Knights don’t bother trying to hide anymore

[storm jungle]

Nope

They mindwipe Astartes/Sororitas and kill witnesses

[dusk patrol]

They won’t explain themselves but they don’t care if anyone knows

[storm jungle]

AGAIN

Its super stupid but it has happened in the Warzone books

[dusk knot]

and with that the 40k community lost 1/8th of its memes

[dusk patrol]

I’m positive there’s a line about them not being able to bother anymore with how many Warzones they’re in

And how stretched thin they are

[storm jungle]

99% probably just a case of different codex writers

[dusk knot]

probably

[storm jungle]

either way tho its not a big deal since its a dumb strategy either way so i dont mind people ignoring it

[crisp heath]

When does this happen?

[dusk patrol]

Not to mention how often they even did it was always exaggerated, mostly it was because whenever they grey knights show up the locals are being exposed to a shitton of potentially corrupting chaos

[storm jungle]

Warzone: Charadon: The Book of Fire

[dusk knot]

I really dislike the whole "haha shooting people cus they saw something"

[storm jungle]

same

[dusk patrol]

It didn’t happen as much as people make it out in lore

[storm jungle]

it makes no sense when daemonic corruption lurks everywhere

their efforts are more or so pointless

[dusk knot]

also I swear a lot of the time some one sees chaos they actually hate it more

[dusk patrol]

It just depends, it for GKs most of the time anyone they fought with just thought they were normal marines so it didn’t matter

[dusk patrol]

It can happen

[dusk knot]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

The issue is they can’t always take the risk

It’s choosing between executing them now or dealing with potentially the exact same issue again down there line or soon after

[remote bridge]

execute them now

always shoot in face

[storm jungle]

Alright hold still

[dusk knot]

you fool, shooting an ogryn in the head is useless, there's nothing there

[fierce pendant]

I'd say that applies to majority of players rn, no wonder we didn't get helmets

[hexed seal]

does quickplay give bonus exp?

[full bane]

Not in the lore of the universe, though an argument could be made that unexpected deployments with complications give more learning points.

[storm jungle]

As a graduated architect with a Masters degree I can confirm that this is false from a in-universe lore perspective 😎

[celest dome]

As a member of the Omnisian Cult, It does not give you more experience, only anxiety

[coral slate]

Would a tech priest measure anxiety in Quickplays? This procedure generates at least three Quickplays!

[meager zinc]

I feel like "selling" imperial weapons to inquisitorial units is against a mechanicus rule or something

[celest dome]

The Admech already sell weapons to outsiders

[meager zinc]

Oh ok

"so what your saying this machine spirits a slut eh?" B)

"not this argument again Larryticus"

[celest dome]

Machine spirit are separate beings

[meager zinc]

Exactly, Larryticus is always trolling. Never considers the machine spirits willing consent in the equation

[celest dome]

I have no idea who Larryticus

Is

[meager zinc]

Besides, virgin machine spirits have no experience in battle. Who wants that?

Oh you just take a normal name and Imperiumize it

Fred-actrox

Ned-ularon

[crisp heath]

joe-mamaictius

[meager zinc]

See this guys gets WAIT

Damn youuuu tzeentch! Corrupted another one of the emperors holy names againnnnn

[winter vessel]

Is it true give cities are so huge that it can take a week just to travel to the other side?

[crisp heath]

yes

hive cities are massive sprawling complexes

[meager zinc]

Some cities are planet sized

[crisp heath]

terra is a good exammple of this

the entire planet is a city

[meager zinc]

Factory planets and hive cities can be hard to delineate i bet

[winter vessel]

I’d hate to be the bum who’s got to work in the sewers of Terra

[meager zinc]

"ive been living on this factory planet for-" its actually a planetary hive city!

[plush mason]

there are things living in those sewers

[meager zinc]

Id learn to climb so i could just get up high and get some air, yknow?

[crisp heath]

My reject in christ, the missions take you to the sewer

Of tertium

[meager zinc]

Yeah but the rejects arent bums

They got weapons n stuff

[winter vessel]

Tertium? I thought it was New York

[crisp heath]

It's actually tampa

[plush mason]

nah. its not that bad down there,yet

[meager zinc]

Its parts of downtown la for sure

[winter vessel]

Honestly, of all the 4 chaos aligned forces I’d have to battle in a hive city, I’m glad it was Nurgle. But even that’s a stretch.

[crisp heath]

I was hoping for khorne or something since we already had nurgle

[winter vessel]

Corn for the Corn god

[crisp heath]

Yes

[meager zinc]

Yeah chaos undivided woulda been better imo

[plush mason]

Nurgle is just the better horde faction honestly

cause zombies

[crisp heath]

nurgle number 1

Or just greenskins ngl

[crisp heath]

Nurgle's nature fits the Darktide

[meager zinc]

Ah man orkz would be a great 2nd faction

[crisp heath]

as a concept

[winter vessel]

I mean Khorne forces would just rip your intestines into a jumping rope. Tzeentch related would do some weird voodoo magic and screw with you.

And then Slaanesh would just REDACTED your REDACTED.

[plush mason]

how would they get there tho? cause if an ork fleet shows up the morningstar will have to GTFO as fast as it could

[crisp heath]

the nature of his faction is hard to work with

[meager zinc]

Tzeentch is hard in a shooter outside of "imma do magic." They work better in like a traditional turn based rpg, or rts i think

Or maybe a bioshock like

[crisp heath]

Add the upper levels of the hive and make the enemy a slaanesh cult

[crisp heath]

a tzeentch chaos cult will be a nice enemy for a RPG

[winter vessel]

Ya think Genestealer cults could be an alternative enemy in a game like Darktide?

[crisp heath]

where we have to decode the many layers of the deceit

[crisp heath]

this could work

they are usually found in the underhive, aren't they?

[meager zinc]

Tzeetch uses mind games such as "DON'T DO WHAT DONNY DONT DOES YALL!" so you need time to think about it lolll

[crisp heath]

That's going to depend how far they've turned the populace

Eventually the whole planet will be the cult

And then they get eated

[meager zinc]

That would be funny if one tzeentch boss in darktide swtiched the game over into an Among Us lite

[crisp heath]

if there ever is an expansion to another planet, a fairly developed genestealer cult would be a good faction to go up against

I just want orks

[meager zinc]

Hot take: Tau faction in darktide

[crisp heath]

Genestealer would probably be easier to make though

[crisp heath]

Nothing better than being blasted from the other side of the map

[winter vessel]

Imma pull up the shovel and charge the Tau

[crisp heath]

Gl

[meager zinc]

The tau darktide dlc is actually just a dlc for the game for ARMA 3 loll

[winter vessel]

“for the greater good”

[meager zinc]

Or maybe you just crash a Kroot festival or something i dunno

"steal all the kroot beer before the tau get here"

"the krood landed at an ancient empty convention center that no one has used in 600 years and are trying to host KrootCon. Get in there and show them their trespassing"

[alpine ingot]

Let's be honest, Ace of Combat series at its best can give 40k a run for it's money in terms of wild shit that can be thrown in there. So why not blend the two together.

[delicate grove]

So this question got overlooked in general but does anyone know why the playable Ogryns are only male? I can't seem to find any actual lore on female Ogryns so I can only assume that females have lower birth rates and thus are kept as a 'commodity' by the Imperium given how precious Ogryns are to the military.

[minor lance]

This question isn't overlooked at all.

The answer is GW

[alpine ingot]

Short answer: there is no female models and it really wouldn't matter that much at all

[delicate grove]

I meant overlooked as in no one answered.

[minor lance]

There is lore in the sense that there is a known female Ogryn

[arctic talon]

Female ogryns exist and are in the guard lore wise

[minor lance]

She's even a psyker

[arctic talon]

But we didn’t get one because

No mini

[minor lance]

They're in the guard, aye. But GW doesn't know what they look like ytet

[arctic talon]

All we know is large

[alpine ingot]

As female ogryn are relatively close in appearance to male ogryn except with more feminine features

[arctic talon]

And somewhat like male ogryns

[delicate grove]

I mean until GW released the new guardsmen there were no female guardsmen models, despite the Militarum being composed of almost a solid 50/50 split of men and women.

So it seems like a weird reason.

[minor lance]

I mean, maybe? We only have a single one to go by, and it's in a book

[arctic talon]

The upgrade sprue a while back

Had female heads

For guardsmen

[delicate grove]

How recent was that? Cause I never saw it, granted I kinda left the hobby for a few years.

[arctic talon]

Like

Uhhh lemme check

[delicate grove]

I assumed the only female guardsmen heads were the ones the third party sites make

[arctic talon]

2020

[delicate grove]

Oh ok, so pretty recent then.

Shame, would have been fun to smash heads in as a giant angry lunch-lady.

[alpine ingot]

So playing with friends last night and welp... I might hav convinced them to make a sharpshooter as their second character after showing them a constant stream of red light and the kill feed showing 4-6 elites dying in a single volley fire.

Been fun looking at all the weapon origins and their patents and giving little info dumps to my friends not to in the know with 40k lore

[delicate grove]

Honestly, after making an Ogryn I don't think I'll be looking back, my partner kept saying how "I wish we had an Ogryn in this mission to pull all the aggro." so I caved and thought i'd be stuck with boring tank duty, but honestly couldnt be having more fun.

Also very keen to get my grubby mits on a stub cannon.

[alpine ingot]

I like all the classes equally and see the value each can provide

[delicate grove]

Also, roleplaying as an Ogryn seems to work wonders for teaching new and inexperienced players how not to be terrible and play as an actual team.

"Right runties, stick with me and it'll make you strong, run off and it will make you dead, got it?"

[nova light]

Can someone help with how the squad fits into the lore? Are some sort of suicide squad made up by prisoners, and if we do well... we get released and redemption? Hows this work? Can we ever be promoted into the guard

[delicate grove]

Penal legions is probably what you're looking for, honestly my Imperial lore knowledge is quite shabby.

[full bane]

Effectively that yes. Grendyl is running a bunch of acolytes drafted from prison colonies and penal legions for expendable ops.

[alpine ingot]

That said... psykers that don't try head popping crushers and instead try to clear pox walkers when a sharpshooter and a zealot is covering them hurts me. A lot.

[delicate grove]

Now, if you wanted a 16 hour encyclopedic run down of Ork lore, I'm your they/them for the job.

[alpine ingot]

Because my dumb ass just lagged pulling out my melee and the game brought my rifle back out and I just got overhead slammed by said crusher.

[delicate grove]

Thats where I turn around and pop their head instead for being a stupid runty what doesnt know how to fight proper.

[nova light]

Thank you I have found a nice big wiki entry to do some reading to day! Ork lore I'm much more solid on as well 🙂

[rare fog]

I was reading the lore and lmao, if only those pesky zealots knew their God-Emperor was actually a psyker

[crisp heath]

This is also taking place in the indomitus Era, the imperium is extra fucked and taking what they can get

[delicate grove]

Or that he isnt a god and is actually a shit ton of ancient shamans all mushed up into a single entity that also went on a galaxy wide crusade to wipe out religion all together and never wanted to be worshipped as a god.

[alpine ingot]

My friend who runs slab shield and grenade gauntlet trust me enough to focus down elites the moment they enter my line of sight.

[crisp heath]

It's really not so clear cut. Even girly man is questioning if he's really a god

[alpine ingot]

That shit is getting a stream of Las bolts right to the frontal cortex

[delicate grove]

I just give new psykers a quick run down of "Right, I point 'em out, you pop there heads, got it?"

[crisp heath]

Also that's old lore that hasn't been referenced in decades, the shaman thing

[alpine ingot]

I always try to be nice about it, because it doesn't help being an ass and reeing at them.

[delicate grove]

Well I suppose they did retcon in that he had a wife this entire time whose the literal mary sue of mary sues so yeah I guess the shaman things a bit outdated.

[delicate grove]

I am being nice though, I didn't smash their skull in first.

[crisp heath]

Malcador was his boy wife the whole time

The emperor was obviously gay, why else would he make 20 hunks

[delicate grove]

Very true.

[rare fog]

"One thousand psykers a day give their lives to maintain the Emperor's psychic strength." At some point psykers will run out and the emperor will fully die 😅

[delicate grove]

Well theres still the theory that the WAAAGH! is actually keeping him alive because the Orks all think that Big E is a literal living god whose still very much alive and kicking.

[crisp heath]

That would be funny if true

[full bane]

That's contingent on humanity dying out in such numbers that a thousand psykers a day becomes an actual large number relative to the Imperium's population.

And that the number of Psykers is going down, which it isn't. IIRC there are more and more psykers being born post great rift.

[minor lance]

1,000 a day is pennies to a billionaire in the imperium

[celest dome]

And it's not the upper strata of Psyker who are sent to the Emperor iirc

[arctic talon]

There’s tens of quadrillions of people

In the imperium

Like

Terra alone has a few quadrillion

[crisp heath]

A billion billion is often thrown around, which amounts to 1 quintillion. 1000 psykers a day is a rounding error at that point

[arctic talon]

Yeah

A million people dying is a rounding error

Hell the entire population of earth just dying

Could be a minor thing

[plush mason]

hell 8 billion people likely die in the imperium every second at least

like the daily death toll of the imperium would be literally uncountable

a quintillion humans spread across more than million worlds

billions likely die every single day if not 10s of billions

i dont want to know what the imperium does to maintain its staggering population numbers but im sure its completely unethical by all standards

[arctic talon]

Food wise or birthrate wise

[plush mason]

both

[minor lance]

Jesus, imagine being called a rounding error. That's vicious ahaha

[arctic talon]

Food wise there's planets dedicated entirely to producing food, also most planets have their own local food production

birthrate rise I'd assume having children is heavily encourged

and also making like

Vatgrown children

[plush mason]

more likely obligated

[wispy smelt]

also good servitors

[arctic talon]

odds are probably lol

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Vat Grown servitors are pre lobotomized

so they come from a dif source

then vatgrown children

[wispy smelt]

got it

[plush mason]

oh right agri worlds aka industrial slave farms from hell

[arctic talon]

the admech are the primary producers

of vatgrown children

[arctic talon]

Depends some are actually nice places others are hell farms

[plush mason]

ye its likely down to how much food they need to produce for their given sector

[crisp heath]

some worlds arent actually a living hell scape some worlds even qualify as paradise planets

[plush mason]

i have read about those. they seem like your typical utopia, heaven on the surface but hell just below that