40k-lore-chat

[rapid dock]

(and inqusitors who call them heretics suddenly find themselves without ammo resupplies or their guardsmen's guns start malfunctioning because of 'peculiar supply chain issues'.)

[plush mason]

he then tried to outlaw the SMs and the mechanicus iirc

[rapid dock]

(so the mechanicus gets left alone)

[plush mason]

which lead to the civil war

[rapid dock]

yeah both the Adeptus Astartes and the Adeptus Mechanicus both became kind of estranged form Terra which then, lead to the civil war

[tidal dome]

But it makes me wonder how a civil war could even happen. All the gears, all the production, all the maintenance is in the hand of Mechanicus.

If pissed off, why didn't they just flick the lights off

[plush mason]

and in that civil war the brides of the emperor acted as the church's space marines lol

[rapid dock]

Well, the Imperium is still vastly vastly bigger and stronger than the Mechanicus so.. they can't get away with too much fuckery before being bombarded with space marines.

[crisp heath]

Is there anyone in the lore that's aware of the old ones existence or aware they created humans

[rapid dock]

I think The Emperor knows

[tidal dome]

The big guy himself, but he's not much of a talker recently

[plush mason]

cause the church has its own production capabilities. the mechanicus just makes the vast majority of shit not everything afaik

[rapid dock]

also true

The Imperium existed before the Mechanicum of Mars was integrated into it.

[tidal dome]

Makes sense that one. Although I thought they had an unquestionable monopoly on any sort of mechanisation and automation

[rapid dock]

they were two separate empires at one point

[plush mason]

they dont but they do have a very big monopoly on it

[rapid dock]

They do have a monopoly on mechanization, but labor is the cheapest fuel and the Imperium has it in droves so.. technically they could just get people (and DO get people) to build things

[plush mason]

so a lot of times the fanon just forgets that fine detail

[tidal dome]

Right but there's a limit to that. No matter how many serfs with hammers you have, they won't hammer you a titanium plate for a tank, you need a much more complicated process for that

[rapid dock]

most of the times the Mechanicus only has a monopoly on production is because they colonize nearly every single mineral rich world as a forge world

if need be the Imperium can just.. take them back, I think.

but the Mechanicus goes along with the Imperium so they often don't. the only real time of civil war between the imperium and the mechanicus was the Horus Heresy

where the Mechanicum was allied with Horus and the Traitors under Fabricator General Kelbor Hal

[plush mason]

and the age of apostate

[rapid dock]

that too but it wasn't quite as severe as the Horus Heresy

[plush mason]

yeah

still one of the most defining moments in the imperium's history

[rapid dock]

aye

[tidal dome]

You know, the other odd thing is that mechanicum title of magos. It doesn't really refer to the techpriests.

Anyone with a higher education is a magos. Magos biologis, magos historicus, et cetera, you get the point

[rapid dock]

yeah

[tidal dome]

Which had me thinking that they monopolized not only the means of production but means of education as well

[rapid dock]

In those respective fields, yes.

[plush mason]

i always thought magos was just a play on magi but it seems that is also a title in the mechanicus

[rapid dock]

The average imperial citizen is going to get educated enough to work but not to the extent of the adepts of the Mechanicus

[tidal dome]

Your average citizen gets professional education. Higher education is a privilege for those who pass the entry exam, much like IRL

[plush mason]

why would a chattel slave need an education beyond the most basic of it anyway?

[rapid dock]

right

The Adeptus Mechanicus -are- known for technology and science but at their most foremost they're seekers of KNOWLEDGE

that's what they want most. not robots, just knoweldge

So it'd make sense they have a monopoly on education

they go around colonizing entire worlds and slaughtering billions to get the knowledge of a single STC

[tidal dome]

This also brings the point that any and all imperial nobles are magoses in some respective field they were educated on

Which makes Mechanicus rather than a solid entity - the same kind of mishmash of different stuff that the empire is as a whole

[plush mason]

afaik education is handled by the ecclisiarchy in the imperium and the mechanicus handles its own education system

[rapid dock]

^

I forgot the Ecclesiarchy existed until now

but yeah all Imperial education is going to be handled by them

[plush mason]

it has existed for as long as the imperial cult has

[rapid dock]

which is why all imperial nobles worship the Emperor and not the Omnissiah

unless they're nobles of a forge world or something

[plush mason]

Goge Vandire was the leader of the ecclesiarchy in fact

[tidal dome]

So yeah... a weird mishmash of everything

[rapid dock]

Not particularly

They're mostly just science and production

[plush mason]

yeah

[rapid dock]

Their education system teaches what they think science is (which is just religious nonsense but) but they DO think it's science

while the Ecclesiarchy teaches all imperial citizens about faith in the Emperor

[plush mason]

the mechanicus is a techno theocracy where as the ecclesiarchy is an orthodox theocracy

[rapid dock]

exactly

[plush mason]

both co-exist uneasily within the hell scape that is the feudalistic authoritarian state that is the imperium

[rapid dock]

but they are both nearly separate things, kept together by the Emperor and the many benefits of being part of the Imperium (which is: not being killed by the Imperium)

[plush mason]

yup

the imperium showing up to a peaceful human colony it just found -join us and we will protect you!
the colony that has done just fine up to that point- protect us from what?
the imperium- from the shit we will do to you if you dont join us!

literally just a fucking protection racket

[rapid dock]

they bombarded fully inhabited planets with orbital artillery when they didn't join the imperium during the great crusade

[plush mason]

yup

and contrary to what the imperium stans say most human worlds by the time of the great crusade where doing fairly well

the galaxy is only out to "get humanity" BECAUSE of the imperium and its bullshit

[rapid dock]

the sapient xenos species, anyways

[plush mason]

yeah

[rapid dock]

Tau and Eldar, yeah. but otherwise Necrons, Orks, Tyranids, whatever else. they just don't like humans

Necrons hate organics, Orks krump umies

Tyranids are hungry

[plush mason]

orks dont hate anything funny enough

they love to fight

[rapid dock]

aye

[crisp heath]

thats not true tho, big e was only mad at xenos because xenos were taking advantage of and murdering people, the nicest xenos in the setting only take in humans as second class citizens to serve the goals of their own species, there's nothing wrong with humans putting the fate of humanity first

[rapid dock]

and at the absolute worst, the not nicest xenos were literally kidnapping people to be used as torture-sex slaves and gene splicing victims and shit

[plush mason]

with the exception of the ork empires i dont know of any xenos that went out of their way to attack human worlds before the great crusade

[rapid dock]

because you don't know of human worlds before the great crusade..

something something big warpstorm no ftl travel most worlds became self sufficient

[plush mason]

ye

[rapid dock]

Also wasn't there a planet that got accosted by dark eldar DURING the great crusade

and for like years before

[plush mason]

likely

[rapid dock]

i think i remember watching a video on it

[plush mason]

but that isnt going out of their way just to target humans

[crisp heath]

do you think the emperor was just like grrr kill the xenos for no reason despite previously having an uneasy yet non hostile relationship with the craftworld eldar

[rapid dock]

but yeah xenos don't hate humans because of humanity's bullshit, one of the races that hate humans do so because they have to be evil or DIE and the other don't hate humans but take them in as castrated second class 'oops sorry you can't procreate!' eugenics-slaves

[plush mason]

didnt the imperium attack the tau first tho?

and like. kill billions of them during said attack

[crisp heath]

even the not evil elves are totally willing to just fuck over billions of humans for one of their own because they're just monkies to them

[minor lance]

Big E did kind of have a "Be subservient and accept humanity as the ultimate race or die" policy.

[plush mason]

yeah

[plush mason]

xenos ether had to be slaves or be wiped out

[rapid dock]

no the tau tried to colonize the Imperium because they're -also- an empire

[crisp heath]

replace human with tau and thst doesn't sound much different from the tau and everyone praises them as good guys

[rapid dock]

the tau are just as bad as the imperium and there is no good guys every empire sucks in this setting btw

if you didn't know

[plush mason]

yeah everyone is evil as shit

[minor lance]

The Tau are not good guys. They are less evil than the imperium, but a chainsaw dipped in anaesthetic is also a more pleasant form of amputation than one without.

[crisp heath]

I'm just saying people present them like they are better or morally superior to the imperium all the time

[minor lance]

The Leagues of Votann are super good! So long as you're Votann.

[rapid dock]

yeah that's fair but it's still a chainsaw

[minor lance]

If you're not, well, rip.

[rapid dock]

the Votann aren't even xenos they're just short humans

[minor lance]

That's my point :p

[minor lance]

You. Book. Archive. Now.

[crisp heath]

Additionally the Imperium is not utopic but if you care about the survival of mankind they are it's best shot within the setting

[rapid dock]

abhumans = humans

[minor lance]

They don't consider themself human, and the imperium classifies them as such in am anner that they are NOT happy about, as we understand.

[plush mason]

because in some ways they are morally superior to the imperium. just like the eldar are as well. the imperium is one of the empires in the setting with 0 redeeming traits beyond being human faction lol

[minor lance]

They're not even born.

They're cloned.

[rapid dock]

Unless they made them xenos in the newest codex the DNA they're cloned from is still human in origin

[minor lance]

Also, not all Kin are human

[rapid dock]

yeah some are robots

hereteks i stg

[minor lance]

They are actually under xenos in 9th.

[rapid dock]

are they?

[minor lance]

Yep

[plush mason]

no abhumans= sub humans that are too useful to just wipe out completely. the lowest of the low

[rapid dock]

huh

[rapid dock]

true

[minor lance]

They are considered abhumans by the imperium, but they really aren't humans anymore.

Also, not that I think you don't believe me, but just for your own sake: http://prntscr.com/6UpsFeUv1pwN

[plush mason]

if the votann are the men of stone they where never really human at all

[crisp heath]

In what way are they morally superior than the entire Imperium, which is an incredibly varied and individual in comparison to the general uniformity of the Tau?

[minor lance]

Votann are... Weird. Since technically the last natural biological Votann died... Millenia ago.

[rapid dock]

Would you look at that

[minor lance]

Yup!

[plush mason]

lol

[rapid dock]

did not expect that

[minor lance]

They're not part of the Imperium!

[rapid dock]

I guess by definition they'd be xenos then but

[minor lance]

They're in a weird half-state

[shadow plover]

well it's either that or create a new category for them exclusively because they can't be imperium either

[minor lance]

they're their own race of people, but they're classified as abhuman by the imperium as not to go on a mass war with them.

[rapid dock]

I'm so accustomed to xenos being 'alien' that I didn't remember 'xeno' just means 'other' or 'different'

[minor lance]

they're like... Halfway between Eldar and the Imperium in tyhe sense of how they're treated.

[plush mason]

ngl if the galaxy wasnt like it is rn the imperium would have likely attacked the votann on sight

[rapid dock]

The Mechanicus should go to war with them because they have huge AI heads

[minor lance]

100%

They're similar to Tau or Eldar in that the Imperium doesn't actively hunt them because they have other things to fight, and it's better off if they just ignore each other.

[plush mason]

ye

[minor lance]

But the Imperium would, without a doubt, immediately have gone to war with them otherwise.

[rapid dock]

Agreed

[fierce pendant]

good ol imperium

[plush mason]

their typical policy with new species is shoot first ask questions later

[rapid dock]

no it doesn't lol

[minor lance]

Plot twist: Abaddon did not blow up Cadia, it was just a cover for an inside Votann mining job.

[plush mason]

lol

[rapid dock]

Also nice to see the AdMech didn't get any new cool models or ideas (outside of Primaris I guess)

[crisp heath]

They are actual abhumans tho, and abhuman isn't just "mutant we like" its "mutant that is stable and is not gonna be exploding with tentacles into chaos spawn all the time or turn into something else horrific and awful for us to deal with"

[rapid dock]

beastmen are on thin ice

[fierce pendant]

deep cadia galactic

[minor lance]

It's almost confirmed dark mechanicus is gonna be a faction

[rapid dock]

Good, the dark mechanicum hasn't been a thing in the lore since the Horus Heresy

[plush mason]

nah its mutants we like. the fate of the beastmen within the imperium proved that

[minor lance]

They are abhumans only because the Imperium doesn't wanna go to war with them. They are less human than Beastmen, and Beastmen are on track to lose abhuman status. Also, if you call a Kin a human, they will start auto-wounding on 6's against you.

@fierce pendant I would love that.

[shadow plover]

well having one character teaming up with Abaddon tease isn't really a confirmed faction

[crisp heath]

As far as I can tell, beastmen haven't actually lost their status

[minor lance]

Not yet

In the same way that if I leave an ice cub out in the middle of a sunny summers day it hasn't melted yet

[fierce pendant]

basically this ^

[shadow plover]

I've always hated beastmen, in fantasy and 40k so I don't mind them being a sidenote most of the time 😄

[crisp heath]

@ me when they do

[plush mason]

why?

[minor lance]

I mean, considering the only beastmen units we're getting are all chaos aligned, and in lore it's rapidly shifting that way with more Beastmen losing their worlds and being treated as third class citizens, and then turning to chaos, which propagates the cycle...

[rapid dock]

Ultramarines are tau lovers and Papa Smurf has a big titty Eldar gf

so.. you know

[minor lance]

Sadly, Guilliman has far less control over the Imperium than you'd hope

[rapid dock]

^

[plush mason]

^

[minor lance]

Keep in mind there was a revolt against him when he retook control.

[crisp heath]

I mean not getting conscripted as cannon fodder sounds like a good deal to most, if they turn to chaos regularly due to that then maybe they should lose their status

[plush mason]

a revolt that iirc only started because he told the high lords to retire

[rapid dock]

keep in mind beastmen have the same sapience level as ogryn

[minor lance]

The Imperium is shattered and has rotted from the inside in his absence. The internal power struggles and corruption is so endemic that I bet money if he tried to fix it he'd be branded as a heretic, which would be justified by pointing to Horus.

[rapid dock]

whilst being told their entire lives that the Emperor made them by mistake

so they -hate- themselves

[minor lance]

The Imperium doesn't know what it worships anymore.

Honestly, that'd be sick

[plush mason]

yeah

[rapid dock]

true

[minor lance]

I... I feel you may be missing the part where they're treated like third class citizens. As in, they have no rights in the imperium. Servitors have more rights than them. Servitors.

[rapid dock]

plus the constant drilling that they're a mistake really.. does something to 'em

[minor lance]

Yeah, that';s the fuicked part

They love the Emperor

[rapid dock]

when they don't have the ability to kill themselves in combat they get unruly

[minor lance]

They inherently believe they are a mistake, and wish to die for the mistake that is their imperfect form as a kind of messed up tribute.

[rapid dock]

They're what the people who make memes about Kriegers think Kriegers are

[crisp heath]

sounds sorta... unstable perhaps?

[minor lance]

And that same imperium they only wish to die for is massacring them

[plush mason]

...... they are unstable due to the imperium not chaos bro

[rapid dock]

can i get a eugenics in the chat

[real rune]

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[minor lance]

Thank you for verifying @real rune, however the service is currently down!
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[plush mason]

like in most situations chaos is only an opportunistic predator capitalizing on the imperium's many fuck ups

[crude frost]

I don't mind the beast men, as long as we never get felinid models and that foul race is erased existence

[rapid dock]

horus be like

[minor lance]

I demand Felinids.

I want to see the manchild tears

I wanna see the just... Implosion of nerdrage.

[crisp heath]

The manchildren are the ones that want them most shrug

[plush mason]

not just him. most rebellions in the imperium afaik dont start with chaos involvement but often end with it. some literally never involve chaos

[minor lance]

Like that time when GW said "Let's not be bigotted" and the community exploded.

That was so funny.

[storm jungle]

Late reply but we pretty much know a lot of pre-Imperium human worlds during the crusade. They were fine on their own before the Imperium showed up to murder all of them for resisting lol

[rapid dock]

yeah but he's the big one everyone knows about

[plush mason]

yeah this

[rapid dock]

Also true but this was in the context of xenos preying on human worlds

[minor lance]

Better! Some actually had stable relations with Eldar craftworlds, and were slowly making improving relations with them!

[storm jungle]

Yep

At the end of the day the Great Crusade was basically a giant galactic fascist jihad more ro so

[minor lance]

Imperium: CAN'T HAVE THAT

war crimes intensifies

[plush mason]

literally

[rapid dock]

Yeah

[plush mason]

the emperor only ever cared about himself and his ego

[minor lance]

Ehh, I'd disagree there

[rapid dock]

There's a story about the Space Wolves freeing a planet from a bunch of Dark Eldar pirates and when immediately given freedom they ask 'will you join the empire' and when the obvious answer is 'No' they bombed them from orbit

[minor lance]

He's just a xenophobic, mass murdering bigot.

But he did want what he thought was best for humanity.

[crude frost]

How do you think the precrusade human worlds would have faired when the Tyranids showed up

[plush mason]

and him ruling all humanity was what was best for it in his eyes so

[minor lance]

He's like the world's shittest dad-who-wants-wants-best-for-his-kids

[storm jungle]

[dim steppe]

What why

[storm jungle]

Act like a normal human being and ask normal questions.

[plush mason]

give it was an event during the horus heresy that drew the nids here at all that question is moot as they may have never found us

[rapid dock]

What'd he ask

[dim steppe]

Surely this has been spoken of in the lore no?

[minor lance]

Aye but he didn't wanna rule cause he deserves to rule and damn the rest. He genuinely believed he was. Now, that doesn't excuse him. But like, he wasn't purely selfishly tyrannical

He was just absurdly arrogant and wrong.

[dim steppe]

What everyone wants to know but no one will dare to ask

[celest dome]

The way you phrase it is quite telling that, no most people don't care

[plush mason]

i mean. all would be rulers of mankind are that way. the "i deserve to rule and damn the rest" is the outside perspective

everyone sees themselves as the hero

[livid temple]

i do enjoy that most things with the imperium of man could have been solved by big E being a not even good just ok dad

[dim steppe]

I'm the 1% I'm happy about that

[minor lance]

Nah, I'd say a lot of tyrants do not at all care and are quite comfy in their position of tyrant. The Emperor was a lot like Alexander in that he was a vicious, xenophobic tyrant who thought what he was doing was genuinely in the best interest of his subjects. He didn't go "I deserve to own everything" so much as "My people deserve to own everything".

[storm jungle]

thats Big E more or so yeah

[minor lance]

A firm hand means Guilliman gets branded a heretic and killed, or worse, a civil war.

[storm jungle]

he tells the last priest on Terra that his sole motivation is "I know I'm right."

[plush mason]

but. Alexander literally thought he was chosen by the gods to rule the world. it was never about the people of the world for him it was about his personal destiny

[dim steppe]

Yeah like when your dog shits the bed you have to punish it. This is what mankind needs

[rapid dock]

guilliman gets killed lol

He's the primarch of the Ultramarines, he's not able to be killed.

his plot armor is too strong

[minor lance]

His personal destiny was to lead his people to greatness that they deserved. It's not exactly 1:1 cause in Big E's case, he is the 'god'. Or more there is no god. Humanity is the 'god' and thus deserves total ownership.

Big E was a lot of things, but he did care about humanity. He went to great lengths to protect it, even if he was wrong in... Basically all of his methodology.

[minor lance]

Ok you say that but...

He did sooorta die ;p

[celest dome]

And in fairness, Alexander did accomplish his destiny

[rapid dock]

they brought him back

death cannot hold papa smurf for long

[plush mason]

literally the most egotistical thing anyone can say

[shadow plover]

he has basically died twice now

[minor lance]

Oh he was extremely egotistical, I won't deny that.

But his belief in human supremacy was self-consistent and came from a place where he wanted what was best for humanity

[plush mason]

and then pissed all over it on his deathbed

[minor lance]

Remember that whole murdering the Thunder Warriors thing?

Cause they weren't human?

[storm jungle]

The priest more or so earlier in the interaction says thats what every dictator in human history has said

[storm jungle]

Also nah

[plush mason]

because it is

[storm jungle]

he put them down the same way you put down a rabid animal

[minor lance]

Oh was that not why?

Ahhh

[storm jungle]

they were extremely unstable

[minor lance]

That's somehow worse

[storm jungle]

Yeee like they were super psychotic

[minor lance]

I like how no matter how disappointed I am in the Imperium and Big E

[crisp heath]

It was to make way for space marines since the thunder warriors were nothing but warriors they wouldn’t have made good peacekeepers

[storm jungle]

☝️

[minor lance]

My expectations are always surpassed

[storm jungle]

the Thunder Warriors were never gonna leave terra

[celest dome]

The only thing that wasn't fair to the Thunder Warrior was how they were disposed, they would have gone against an impossible enemy

[plush mason]

that and he had the new space marines int he works to replace them so. all he was doing was throwing away a broken tool

[minor lance]

Tbf, SMs are also terrible peacekeepers

[plush mason]

100%

[minor lance]

Except probably Salamanders and UMs

[shadow plover]

before the crusade started they didn't really know of any 'impossible' enemies to throw them against at

[celest dome]

Everything the Emp made ended to be worthless

[minor lance]

TW's are tragic af

[storm jungle]

Yeah some survivors of the Thunder Warriors tried to attack the Imperial Palace later on post-unification and he unleashed the Dark Angels on them in a super one-sided engagement.

The Thunder Warriors didn't mind too much at the end since they died in battle in their own eyes.

[celest dome]

Ye, they deserve so much more

[crude frost]

If you kill both the rebels and the civilians, then there's no more conflict so therefore you have achieved peace

[minor lance]

The fact that they were betrayed, but still want to work for humanity's best interests, even if they hate Big E for what he did.

[minor lance]

God Bless

[celest dome]

Thunder Warrior Dreadnought would be better than a SM one

[plush mason]

as a son of the former rebel state i damn sure wish that had been done irl

[minor lance]

Also, unrelated fun fact

There is a single, now obviously very much dead, human who, without them, the Grey Knights would not exist.

Also the HH probably woulda gone very differently.

Just some serf with a pistol.

Blessed boi

[plush mason]

?

[minor lance]

Basically, during Istvaan III one of the loyalist Death Guard (one of the OGs, pre-Mortarion's return) was hijacking and ship and trying to escape to Terra

He was gonna get murderized by one of the traitor guard

But some serf, with balls of adamantine, shot the traitor's hand and knocked his aim off course

Allowing the loyalist to escape.

[crisp heath]

I’m not seeing nearly enough Malacdor the hero love in this chat

[minor lance]

Who them managed to (through a series of escapades and hijinks) get back to Terra, warn the Imperiumn, and was one of the founders of the Grey Knights

Without that 1 serf, he'd have been made deadified and none of that'd have happened

[crude frost]

Garros warning wouldn't have been necessary if everyone didn't bully Magnus when he tried to warn them

[plush mason]

Malacdor "if only the idiot in chief aka the emperor had listened to me" the hero

[minor lance]

Yes but Magnus is a nerd in a family of jocks

I dunno what Big E expected.

[plush mason]

big e didnt expect shit

[minor lance]

Accurate

"Kids just do as they're told, right?"

[crude frost]

Big E is the biggest nerd of them all

[minor lance]

"I'm a great dad"

[crisp heath]

Magnus was supposed to take his spot on the golden throne but he got he jebaited by Tzeentch

[plush mason]

for a man that claims to see all futures he sure was a short sighted idiot a lot of times

[crude frost]

Parenting 101: Use your children as batteries to power your hobby

[crisp heath]

Big red battery

[minor lance]

Ahhhh the classic "My kids are my retirement plan"

[plush mason]

dead ass the emperor makes my worthless father look like the literal embodiment of fatherhood's virtues

[crisp heath]

There are a couple of parts where his exemplary parenting really shines like when angron wanted to die with his people and instead of letting him do that or just helping them he just abducted angron and left

[snow fern]

There is no shame in therapy.

[minor lance]

PFffffffffffff

[plush mason]

lol im just saying the emperor is hands down the worst father in history. ofc he never wanted nor made sons, just tools to further his plans

[crude frost]

Angrons a spoiled brat who deserved that

[snow fern]

Or when he burnt down Lorgar’s world to the ground for worshipping him as a god.

[crisp heath]

Ur not wrong

[rapid dock]

or when Magnus

[crisp heath]

Also not wrong

[snow fern]

Poor magnus just existing

[rapid dock]

that's it. just magnus

[plush mason]

worse. he made the slaveowners that put the butchers nails in angron's head part of the imperium

[snow fern]

I imagine one of the Lost Primarchs told Big E to fuck off, and he had a manchild moment like all his sons do at some point.

[crisp heath]

Mortarion pre crusade is still my favorite primarch origin story

[crude frost]

Lorgar also deserved that, emps had to tell him like 500 times to stop worshipping him as a god and he didn't listen, lorgars legion also went from the slowest legion in the great crusade to the fastest after this because they stopped staying behind to convert planets

[rapid dock]

lorgar drank alot of flouride as a child

[snow fern]

You’d think the literally most blatantly overpowered psyker ever would like have some foresight, or understand the little human things like emotion.

[plush mason]

the irony of lorgar's legion is still one of the best bits of the lore imo

[crisp heath]

Logar was just a problem child

[tired umbra]

Lorgar also won

[crisp heath]

Ain’t nobody got time for that

[snow fern]

Lorgar did win in the end

[crude frost]

When you're conceived by mass suicide you don't need things like emotions

[rapid dock]

I'm convinced Big E is the chaos god of hubris

[plush mason]

tbf he was "raised" by a sadistic pedo and got hella crazy stockholm syndrome during that time

[rapid dock]

Hubris or Faith or some shit like that

[plush mason]

you said the same word twice

[rapid dock]

Yeah but two different flavors of it

[snow fern]

Chaos god of hubris sounds about right. Since like, most of the horus heresy is his fault.

[crisp heath]

“I am the emperor of Rome I am above grammar”

[plush mason]

nah. the only difference between hubris and faith is perspective

[crude frost]

I still love that Lorgars lectitio divinitatus is like the cornerstone of the modern imperial faith despite the big e basically destroying lorgars world over it

[snow fern]

I think Big E wanted to be a Necron. He clearly didnt want people to serve him, only machines to discard later.

[tired umbra]

I see you browse R/Atheism

[crisp heath]

Lol

[rapid dock]

He got his wish, he's a skeleton now

[plush mason]

no because im not a weird little butthurt incel which is all new age athists are sadly

[snow fern]

The whole bit about pre heresy legions talking about what they’ll do after the Crusades and like, wondering as an outside viewer, if they’d end up like the Thunder Warriors…

[plush mason]

if they stopped being useful ofc they would have

[rapid dock]

Horus gave them employment opportunities

Horus did nothing wrong

[crisp heath]

[snow fern]

Well that’s the point, what else are space marines good for besides war? Most don’t understand compassion and detest normal humans

[crisp heath]

I will be notifying the inquisition about this

[plush mason]

ngl if chaos had not been involved with the heresy it could have ended for the better

[crude frost]

When big corpo was getting ready to sack them, Union man Horus stepped in to fight for their workers rights

[dusk widget]

Girlyman was prepping his Smurfs to become administrators in Ultramar.

[snow fern]

Horus being a Union leader is very funny if you take the idea of Big E being Thatcher literally. Maybe Horus is the IRA? Lol.

[plush mason]

the plan was...um they would all keep watch on the millions of worlds in the imperium..nvm that there was only enough SMs to put 3 on each world.. yeah big e did not think that far ahead

[crisp heath]

I don’t believe sm were supposed to receive the axe at the end, part of their purpose was enforce human rule over the other species of the galaxy

[plush mason]

yeah. all 3 of them per world

[crude frost]

Tiocfaidh ár lá Horus

[plush mason]

give this whole setting is a satiric work from Thatcher era England that is likely the original point lol

[snow fern]

Yah I know. It also fits with Traitor Guards being labeled scabs. Lotta labor terms in 40k

[plush mason]

yup

[pine hound]

I will start reading Eisenhorn soon. Is there any good visual piece to start with as well? Comics, animation, movie? or Warhammer good old rulebook?

[blissful merlin]

besides rumors, any solid evidence that the Lion is the next loyalist primarch to wake up?

[verbal estuary]

every time i see Eisenhorn all i can think of is Ace Vantura's Einhorn...... xD

[pine hound]

holy moly ty! @crisp heath

[arctic talon]

No kill team cinematic

SMH

[pine hound]

show me the way

[arctic talon]

https://youtu.be/XA3RmSKVnOw

[plush mason]

this indirectly spawned the chainshovel meme btw. so even when GW does Krieg right they still find a way to fuck it up

they made a lazy edit of the chainsword kill on their wedsite and replaced the chainsword with a shovel but didnt edit the sound lol

same

if nothing else than as a gag to piss people off

[nocturne jetty]

Ratlings in Darktide Career pls

[celest dome]

Wouldn't really bring anything new

They are Veteran but more ranged

Hardly needed

[arctic talon]

Short

Kekw

[barren tapir]

You are forgetting the biggest part, they steal ammo from allies instead of finding it around

[arctic talon]

Lol

[celest dome]

So they are even more annoying that ranged only Veteran

[arctic talon]

Take all the ammo from your vet

Before the wave

You need it more

[celest dome]

You have to babysit them and they parasite on you

[barren tapir]

Yup, that is perfect description for ratlings lol

[plush mason]

so they are toddlers with sniper training basically

[boreal ridge]

hello

[nocturne jetty]

But we need a Oposite Size of Ogryn and their small

Ratling Stealthy Class

[celest dome]

Do we need it though ?

Like we don't need an Ogre in VT2

[crisp heath]

Ur missing the sodaz animations

[coral latch]

sodaz death korp one was amazing

[coral latch]

you are a chad for having these

never let him die

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxSMleQTQ4E

[plush mason]

did GW kill SODAZ too?

[crisp heath]

yes

[plush mason]

ofc they fucking did

[coral latch]

technically it was 50 50 warhammer fans were sending him death threats etc

[crisp heath]

fuck those assholes

[plush mason]

handed a literal goldmine of publicity and they fucking closed it down

[coral latch]

as well as gw trying to shut him down

[plush mason]

why?

[coral latch]

wasnt lore accurate and a bunch of other hardcore sweat shit

[plush mason]

omfg

that is a deep ass level of pathic

[storm jungle]

Sodaz got harrassed by the fanbase then GW threw him under the bus since he wanted to quit.

Now he doesnt like 40k anymore

[plush mason]

i dont blame him

[coral latch]

id have to find the video he still does animations for other scifi things

[storm jungle]

Yeah Halo atm

just not anything 40k related

[coral latch]

^

it was a damn shame he was one of the best

[crisp heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3qo9idFYPc

[coral latch]

the guardsmen with the kid gets me everytime

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catcry-gif-19131995

[crisp heath]

life of a guardsmen

[coral latch]

yep and it sucks when he decieded to quit he was in the process of making a sequel for it

[jaunty quarry]

You can't just steal someone's IP for profit. He was offered a job and didn't take it. Fuck him.

[plush mason]

"wasnt lore accurate" nor is like 50% of the lore lol

[coral latch]

nah fuck gw

imagine halo tryin to sue everyone who made a fan video. fuck gw

[plush mason]

like. with warhammer and 40k especially coming down on anyone for minor lore inaccuracies is just beyond pointless

[coral latch]

extremely as the lore doesnt even stay consistent with gw authors etc lol

[jaunty quarry]

Angels of Death is better anyways

[plush mason]

give the shitshow they made of it on netflix its clear Microsoft doesnt give a fuck about halo's lore

[coral latch]

o as soon as a saw they were making it, i knew it would be shit

[plush mason]

and yes 343 is literally owned by Microsoft so everything 343 does Microsoft does

cause the amount of people going "well 343 aint Microsoft" is honestly worrying

[coral latch]

its really not, gw ruined the astartes series too

[jaunty quarry]

Yet here you are, waiting to play a GW IP

[plush mason]

yup

[coral latch]

i can love the universe and still tell gw to suck a fat one

thats like saying you cant love star wars if you hate episode 7-9

[crisp heath]

plus its not like everyone doesnt pirate the warhammer content from the website anyway

[plush mason]

ye

[coral latch]

yeah etsy is loaded with warhammer40k figures that dont cost you your firstborn

it is nice that people exist like that

[plush mason]

and with video games i focus on the team and company making them and not on gw

[jaunty quarry]

How many armies you got?

[crisp heath]

i also totally do not own a 3d printer nicknamed the manufactorim that i totally dont use to print models

[crisp heath]

6

[coral latch]

i would be honored to cleanse the nurgle cultists by your side

https://tenor.com/view/pov-you-giga-chad-chad-meme-gif-25615024

i dont have any armies i just get some of the bigger one for painting projects as i have noone to play with

but screw buying from gw ill just had my buddy print me a 3ft tall titan lol

well yes and know

no

[plush mason]

oh i was talking about GW's zero tolerance policy to fan creations in general

[coral latch]

if he refused the job they would have smited him into oblivion just like they were about to do with astartes

[storm jungle]

You can enjoy an IP and not like the company

[coral latch]

its been reuploaded the orginal doesnt exist anymore

[storm jungle]

Also yeah GW's copyright law was stupid but they were never gonna enforce it

now literally nobody remembers it even happened

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

They are lazy to enforce it pretty much

[coral latch]

^

[storm jungle]

its the same as how fanfiction is technically illegal but you wont get Disney shutting down sites like that across the internet.

[plush mason]

Alfabusa does which is very very smart on the part of him and his team

[coral latch]

they literally cant as soon as someone takes down the og another reuploads it

thats why sodaz wont die

[storm jungle]

^

[jaunty quarry]

Profiting off of it is illegal

[storm jungle]

and yet people still do

AO3 one of the biggest fanfic sites has lawyers and campaigns always at the ready just incase for that stuff

[coral latch]

just because some is illegal doesnt make it immoral

[broken zenith]

only OGs remember Flashgitz vs GW

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah because thats their paid animations.

[iron lance]

it's legally murkey and whilst GW is pretty zealous, they can't be omniscient

[storm jungle]

Im talking about other fan content.

[plush mason]

yeah the fan made "original" stuff is a lot murkier

[coral latch]

gw knows they can swing the hammer and do it more as a threat to hire people than to actual swing it

[plush mason]

ye

[iron lance]

almost all of it being on YT is half the problem - YT's system makes it incredibly easy to issue DMCAs and get videos taken down, but difficult to fight back for the creator

[coral latch]

but to be fair their isnt many good 40k animators rn

atleast no sodaz 2.0s

[storm jungle]

Yeah a lot of 40k animation is kinda bland atm.

[cyan oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marines-gif-12025582

[iron lance]

from what I've seen the only threat they levy to creators like these is takedowns - to all appearances, animators sign on with GW because it looks like a decent job to them

[storm jungle]

Not that i care much admittedly, I'm way too attached to alfabusa's non-40k content.

[cyan oxide]

i want the guy who made this to keep going

[storm jungle]

He wont

he just quit lmao

[cyan oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[storm jungle]

It wasnt due to GW but just him not being interested in the project anymore iirc

[coral latch]

that was a game i believe wasnt that the inquistor prolouge one

[iron lance]

there's also the factor that solo animation is incredibly hard to make money from that's even slightly proportional to the amount of work it takes

[jaunty quarry]

TTS brought a lot of people into 40k. They should have made a deal with them.

[iron lance]

IDK if it'd matter, and IDK if Bruva would've even taken a good offer

GW wants everyone to go to WH+ and only WH+ for animation, they already have all the animators they need/want

[coral latch]

again for most i dont think the offers are that great. "come work for us or your videos go poof"

[north siren]

I have Warhammer+ it sucks honestly, hardly anything of value... and I feel like there is less 40k content on YouTube in general thanks to it.

[iron lance]

it's not or your videos go poof, they're going poof whatever happens

[north siren]

Not bad for the vouchers etc though

[rustic spruce]

Bright side for bruva is that HtP is fantastic

[iron lance]

quite. It's a monopolisation of a thriving community that's been dealt a heavy blow

[coral latch]

yeah they were gonna can the astartes videos until he went to work for them

[jaunty quarry]

Kirkland TtS

[coral latch]

and they still did in the end anyhow

[iron lance]

though I think we're seeing more painters/builders popping up now which is nice

[broken zenith]

Alfabusa's WoD/HtR content is great atm ❤️

[coral latch]

and they reuploaded the shitty version off of warhammer+

[iron lance]

they did can it, that's the thing

[plush mason]

its likely a mix of both. such is a fairly common thing in business. a bit of force and a clear benefit to joining up goes a long way

[iron lance]

you can watch the OG on Warcom tbf to that one

[coral latch]

og is still the most popular on youtube even after being reuploaded which is funny

[crisp heath]

Be careful I’d be inclined to join them

[iron lance]

this doesn't gel with what I've actually seen happening to the animators. As much as I love to hate on GW we have to avoid speculation

[plush mason]

fair

[iron lance]

I tried Hammer and Bolter or whatever it was called but good lord it's just not good animation

[broken zenith]

I liked Interrogator myself, but ye, animation def needs improvement

[iron lance]

low frame rates can make for really cool, tight animation but they didn't utilise it well at all

[coral latch]

the only way ive seen warhammer + stuff is by watching reuploads on youtube cause who actually gonna pay for it ammiright

[rustic spruce]

A lot of the animation i’ve seen from WH+ does not look good

[plush mason]

im just saying that the force side of things tends to be well hidden as the general public does not like ultimatums so we sadly wont know how often if ever the ultimatum was used

[iron lance]

just the first episode

might have to give it a looksee some time if it's gotten better

[broken zenith]

GW gotta make Sabbathiel series

[iron lance]

have they actually sped up the frames a little then? Or just used them properly?

[north siren]

Oh god Hammer and Stutter was just embarrassing, I ended up liking angels of death more than I would have expected, even if it looks like someone made it in Garrys mod.

[coral latch]

lmao

[iron lance]

good name lol

[rustic spruce]

WH+ will always leave a sour taste in my mouth due to it’s existence robbing me of tts

[broken zenith]

I'd say GW gotta understand that YT is far more accessible than a random website a newbie would have no idea of.

[iron lance]

it's indeed strange, I'm not sure what their play is there tbh

[plush mason]

tbf it honestly didnt. at least not directly

[frigid python]

Hey does anyone know how many games were made involving the death core of krieg?

[iron lance]

anecdotally I reckon tonnes of people got into warhammer through youtube and such initially but IDK what actual data might say

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY9hL1LBm10

[coral latch]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-cat-warhammer40k-gif-23254825

[crisp heath]

https://youtu.be/C3V-klgsUOE

[north siren]

Officially... is there one? I don't think so, just mods.

[frigid python]

I mean that’s how I got into warhammer, from hearing caestus metallican from the Mechanicus game and thinking it was the coolest soundtrack ever and that kinda cemented me into wanting to know more about the lore

[rustic spruce]

My first exposure to 40k was when space marine was free for ps plus

[north siren]

Everyone just makes space marine games, it's why people went ape over Darktide... First game with really regular imperials

[frigid python]

I thought they were making a new game where it’s a versus between kriegsmen teams and ork teams

[north siren]

Hence why I immediately bought these....

[rustic spruce]

That’s when they hit us with the space marine dlc class

[north siren]

Finally a figure that's not a space marine...

[cyan oxide]

that is not a video game that was an ad for the table top called kill team a smaller scale of the regular table top

[coral latch]

nah they said no space marines

[frigid python]

Aw darn

[north siren]

Not aw darn, more like FINALLY

[cyan oxide]

the ad was for releasing new kreig minis

[iron lance]

absolutely recommend Kill Team

[frigid python]

Where is my warhammer 40k Waaagh

[broken zenith]

poor Elysians, RIP :c

[iron lance]

seriously, it's the best way to get into 40k

[frigid python]

I would totally play that

[north siren]

Err... blood and teef?

[iron lance]

it's much easier to learn and paint, and the team composition is much simpler

[coral latch]

i just want my carapace armor and and death mask. THE MCABBIAN JANISARIES RIDE AT DAWN!

[iron lance]

wish I started with Kill Team not 40k tbh I'm loving it

[broken zenith]

KT is awesome really, either that or just Combat Patrol. Upcoming Arks of Omen will be more of Combat Patrol type game too.

[iron lance]

you can play it sort of for free through Tabletop Sim too

[frigid python]

Blood n teef is good but I’m looking for a 3D ork shooter

[coral latch]

i had no idea that was a 1:16 min video lmao

[north siren]

Naaaa dudes Gorkamorka is where its at

[broken zenith]

wish GW would revive Inq54

[rustic spruce]

How good is that 40k battlesector game

[iron lance]

there's always that one ork plane game, I forget the name

[frigid python]

Blood n teef is still really fun

[broken zenith]

I'd 100% recommend it

[cyan oxide]

space marine pvp you can be an ork

[iron lance]

Dakka Squadron that was it

[north siren]

I do think Orks need there own game...

I mean a shooter

[cyan oxide]

a doom like game would fit

[frigid python]

Honestly I really enjoyed space marine as well but the orks are something else, they are just overly silly and terrifying

[crisp heath]

We’re da greenest an’ da meanest

[north siren]

Make it a game about being a flashgitz and getting the biggest flasshiest gun as you upgrade it with scrap

[crisp heath]

DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA

[broken zenith]

my ideal 40k video game would be an Officio Assassinorum game, RIP Agents of Death

[frigid python]

I just learned about a gob squig like 3 days ago and it’s so silly

[cyan oxide]

make a build your own vehicle game like crossout but orks

[frigid python]

Make a game where you can waaagh with your friends in big invasion styled missions

[north siren]

How about a game like splinter cell but your an ork kommando painted purple.

[frigid python]

That would honestly be cool

[broken zenith]

da red wunz go fasta

speaking of which, RIP Gorkamorka video game adapatation too, it's baffling how many cancelled 40k games out there

[crisp heath]

I’d want a krork fps based on the war in heaven

Get to fight the necrons

[coral latch]

that would be doppppe

[frigid python]

I want a game where you play as trazyn the infinite

[broken zenith]

museum curator sim

[coral latch]

krork were pretty advanced for orks like i think they actually had like armor and shit

[crisp heath]

I want a game

[cyan oxide]

theres a new pokemon game coming out soon what do you mean

[crisp heath]

I want

[coral latch]

I

[north siren]

WHAT NOOOOOOOOOOP! what about the return of the Digganobz?

[broken zenith]

Digganobz would be awesome

green iz da best

[frigid python]

Honestly I’ve never really been a fan of Pokémon, it’s good and cool but my main interest was the tv show in the first couple of seasons

[north siren]

Request Darktide 5th class is a Digganob

[tall crest]

Make a game where as a member of a Navy you are trapped within a ship and try to avoid bit overgrown Tyranid Termagant.
And lets call it Alien vs . . .
.
. .
. . .
Damn, it already exist 😄

[north siren]

To make the pain go away

[coral latch]

i hope they go nuts cosmetics on darktide

[frigid python]

Are those orks or humans dressed as orks

[north siren]

Humans dressed as orks due to being on a planet of mostly orks, they attempt to emulate there style

[frigid python]

I knew it I remember listening to a lore video that mentioned that

[north siren]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Digga

That's the lore

[coral latch]

thats hilarious

[frigid python]

It’s so fun actually knowing lore and understanding references

[broken zenith]

Digganobz were awesome, but then again, GRC was also cool. Gorkamorka had great gangs.

[iron lance]

it'll depend on a few things, Rogue Trader is a very different beast to 40k

back when the Horus Heresy was a vague foundational myth to the setting in which "General Horus" betrayed the emperor

[broken zenith]

You could hire Xenos Mercenaries in Inq54 too. Eldar Rangers, Eldar Corsairs, Kroot Mercenaries, Ork Freebooterz and Blood Axes, Viskeon Bounty Hunters etc.

[tall crest]

And choosing red one will be even better.
As red is ofc faster.

[north siren]

https://youtu.be/Y29aGTbg62A

is that the lore video?

[broken zenith]

13th Company best

[frigid python]

This is probably pretty vague but does anyone know of that 12 year war where a higher religious figure was corrupted by chaos and basically held out in his castle as the kriegsmen and the heretic worshippers would basically be doing suicide charges to break enemy lines?

[north siren]

Will he randomly eat people to gain there memories?

[broken zenith]

Siege of Vraks?

[frigid python]

Yes that one

[broken zenith]

SoV trilogy, IA5-6-7

[frigid python]

They should make that a game

[broken zenith]

courtesy of Alan Bligh, RIP

[broken zenith]

that would be cool really

[north siren]

Man if only they would make a game where you play as Tau Firewarrior... I can't imagine anyone screwing that up...

[arctic talon]

Fun fact in the novelization of the book

[broken zenith]

R&H/RoV, it was an awesome army, especially the primaris witch devotion for a Rogue Psyker warlord.

[arctic talon]

The fire warrior has khorne in his ear

And pretty much gets empowered by a chaos god

[storm jungle]

Went in expecting to play a Fire Warrior, what I got:

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-gif-26381601

[arctic talon]

Yeah he’s Tau doom guy lmao

[storm jungle]

also lots of

[arctic talon]

Rage and all

[storm jungle]

"ITS QUIET."

[frigid python]

Battlefield style and they just make the seige of vraks a 2 week long round where it’s just you pushing and like a couple hundred other people giving artillery fire, basically like a really sci fi arma

[broken zenith]

I remember how GW advertised FW in WD, rip in rip

[arctic talon]

Give us a new modern doom clone

With the same fire warrior

Just tearing his way through everything

[frigid python]

Honestly I think it would be dope to play as one of those giant mech knights and you just storm a battlefield almost like how titan fall plays

[arctic talon]

Lol

Yeah

[coral latch]

an imperial knight and titan game would be pretty easy to do

[broken zenith]

The Sabbat Worlds Crusade could be another setting as well, Blood Pact and Sons of Sek were ferocious.

[arctic talon]

There’s a mobile knight game

Lol

[frigid python]

That is true

[arctic talon]

But seriously I want a modern fire warrior game

That’s just a doom clone

I think it would be funny

Especially since the guy beats a lord of change to death with his bare hands in the book

[north siren]

Sadly once again the modders make the real games people want...

https://youtu.be/LjTUiCFDQf4

[coral latch]

i saw that yesterday

the warhorn was badass

[north siren]

It was spot on

[frigid python]

Aren’t the newer race called the cataan, the “dwarves” at the center of the galaxy

[rustic spruce]

Voltaan

[coral latch]

imagine being a normal heretic and hearing that noise from behind a hill lol

[plush mason]

"i thought i heard a horn" what the hell else could that sound have been?

[arctic talon]

Votaan

And no

[coral latch]

excuse me what?

[arctic talon]

They’re called Kin

The organization itself is called the Leagues of votaan

[frigid python]

At ok

Ah*

[arctic talon]

Votaan are supercomputers

[frigid python]

Sorry I messed that up pretty hard

[coral latch]

cataan are essentialy dust gods that got blown into a million pieces by big ass guns

[frigid python]

My memory of that lore is kind of warped I got them mixed up

[coral latch]

and are now enslaved and power necron tech

[frigid python]

Leagues of votaan is the correct one

[crisp heath]

We’re getting that space marine doom clone where you play as a tabletop mini

[frigid python]

Id still think playing as necron soldiers with my friends would be the coolest thing though, you play a tomb lord and the other 3 can play as lesser lords

[arctic talon]

Yeah

That game is cool

[frigid python]

God the lore for this game is too cool

[coral latch]

welecome to w40k

[frigid python]

They have so many interesting races and background stuff

And they have squigs

Which are also hilarious

[arctic talon]

Oil squig

My beloved

[coral latch]

squigs were good for killing orks in space marine

[rustic spruce]

So where the biker squats just a faction of the league that was doing it’s own thing

[frigid python]

I didn’t even know orks were plants until like a week ago, technically fungus

[crisp heath]

More cool lore if you look up the demonabcula

[coral latch]

yeah thats why they are a pain in the ass

there is litterally a group of orks led by tuska killing daemons for all eternity in the warp

and khorne just respawns them everyday lmao

[arctic talon]

Mostly extinct

There’s still old styled squats

All over the imperium

They’re playable in necromunda

But not much beyond that

[north siren]

I thought the Imperium was short on squats

Ratlings too

[crisp heath]

Ha

[rustic spruce]

Well the biker ones got gibbed by a hive fleet iirc

[arctic talon]

Badumtssss

[coral latch]

to be fair up until recently they all got gibbed by a hive fleet

[frigid python]

Genuinely there is so much cool content available for warhammer games

[broken zenith]

GW gotta bring back the Chaos Squats, ideally accompanying the Oathbreakers release for AoS (hopium that is).

[frigid python]

It would be cool to see something done with the ghoul stars

[rustic spruce]

Show us them halo stars

[frigid python]

I think that is the proper name

I keep getting names mixed up

Halo stars are cool af

Well except for all the literal cosmic horror that makes everyone avoid them

[arctic talon]

There’s a chaos corrupted votaan in the codex

Soooo

There’s a chance

[frigid python]

Lemme find a picture of a squig to send

[rustic spruce]

Are grots a different type of spore than an ork

[arctic talon]

Cape squig

My beloved

[coral latch]

squig warboss

when

[celest dome]

New model ?

[arctic talon]

It’s from age of sigmar

[celest dome]

Yes, but new model ?

[arctic talon]

No

It’s old

[celest dome]

Gloomspite guys ?

[arctic talon]

It’s one of the gloomspit gitz

Yeah

[broken zenith]

squig bats ❤️

[frigid python]

I love how goofy squigs look

[arctic talon]

Age of sigmar

Has so many funny squigs

[broken zenith]

ikr 😍

squigs soooo cuuuteee

[rustic spruce]

Is squig breeding built into orks genetic memory

[arctic talon]

Yes

The stalagsquig

[rustic spruce]

Did krorks use squigs

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[coral latch]

i dont think so

[crisp heath]

the joe mama squig

[frigid python]

Look at this little goober, what’s he doin

[coral latch]

bit i thought krorks were like all the same like eldar

but i could be wrong

[minor lance]

What in Mork's name...

[frigid python]

Is it 600 pounds

Well I’m off to save more squig images to my phone and catalogue them

[minor lance]

Honestly considering making an AoS Gloomspite Gitz army cause they seem like good ol' WHF gobbos, plus look lots of fun to paint

[arctic talon]

They’re very funny

And like

Actually playable

[minor lance]

The thing is

I'm playing gobbos

I do not care about playable

I was a gobbo main in Bloodbowl

[arctic talon]

Lol

[minor lance]

I am not here to win

[arctic talon]

Fair enough

[minor lance]

I am here to hurt you.

[rustic spruce]

I like the funny skeleton faction in AoS

[minor lance]

Can't revenge kill my Looney if he's safely in the foul zone

[arctic talon]

There’s several

The ghost skeletons

Or the skeleton bone tax collectors

[minor lance]

There's only 1 undead faction in AoS

[rustic spruce]

Nagash’s merry band of murder

[minor lance]

Naht Tuumkhingz

[arctic talon]

Night haunts and Ossriarch bonereapers are both undead

[minor lance]

They both fall under Naht Tuumkhingz

[arctic talon]

Not really

[plush mason]

i love the night haunts' look

[arctic talon]

Night haunts are pretty different

Bonereapers I can see the comparison

[minor lance]

Are they undead Egyptians?

No?

[arctic talon]

Night haunts are not

[plush mason]

what is there story anyway?

[minor lance]

Naht Tuumkhingz

[arctic talon]

Idfk lol

[rustic spruce]

I want to get into total warhammer, but lord am i bad at line warfare

[arctic talon]

I play ossriarchs

They collect the bone tithe

From people

[minor lance]

I'm taking the piss and saying every undead is either Tomb Kings or not :p

And they're not, thus, they are lesser

GW bring back necrotects

[arctic talon]

If you’re wondering what the bone tithe is

[plush mason]

https://ageofsigmar.fandom.com/wiki/Nighthaunt

[arctic talon]

It’s a tithe of bones

[minor lance]

Nahhhh

I call bs

[arctic talon]

Usually of a certain type

[plush mason]

they are the wraiths from fantasy just expanded into a faction it seems lol

[arctic talon]

Like fossil’s, animal bones, human bones

Child bones

Whatever the ossriarchs need

To make new ones and repair themselves

[minor lance]

Isn't this just Skeleton King?

Eh, slightly different I guess

[celest dome]

I'm still on the opinion that AoS need a great video game to redeem it for the community

Not a card battler, or turn based strategy

[rustic spruce]

What was the reason they decided to reboot into AoS again?

[minor lance]

Eh, AoS is fine, it's just... Nothing will ever forgive the ET

[viscid grove]

So sigmar's golden boyz just have special amrors.

[plush mason]

ngl i would love a TW game get in AoS

[celest dome]

Fantasy system was bad for TT

[arctic talon]

ET was terrible however

Like holy fuck

[arctic talon]

Not really

They’re like

[crisp heath]

i play ogres and im currently building a slaves of darkness army

[arctic talon]

Skeleton golems

The ossriarchs don’t reanimate the dead

They build things outa bones

[minor lance]

Because WHF was failing on TT (It was terrible) and they overcommitted even when IP popularity started to pick up. They didn't realise that the rules were the issue, not the setting, and decided on a full reboot where they made the rules infinitely worse for 1 edition (then infinite better).

[arctic talon]

And imbue a mind into them

[rustic spruce]

One day archaon said “fuck living” and signed everybody up for his suicide pact

[minor lance]

That's kinda SK's shtick. The whole "Build a kingdom of bones forever and you will be immortal"

[arctic talon]

Fair enough

[celest dome]

AoS is great, but some people don't want to get into it

[arctic talon]

But their actual like

Buildings aren’t bones

[viscid grove]

Turn off the Elves' brain and make Skaven invincible=ET

[arctic talon]

Just their soldiers

[broken zenith]

good ol RT Kev Adams Tyranid Bio-Squigs 😌

[arctic talon]

They still mine for resources and stuff

Or they beg bone daddy

[minor lance]

ET left a VERY sore spot, and rightly so. They really should just retcon the ET and make AoS a splinter timeline that's happening concurrently with OW

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[minor lance]

Oooh ok, yeah, that's very different then. Mb

[arctic talon]

They are sorta similar in a sense tho

With the whole

Bone collecting lol

[minor lance]

"Gimme dem bonez"

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-dance-dancing-gif-10430058

[rustic spruce]

But where is bloodbowl in the AoS timeline

[broken zenith]

dewit plz

[broken zenith]

new necrons looking good

[minor lance]

Honestly, this is the REAL question.

In real life: It's still played using WHFB stuff.

But AoS Bloodbowl would immediately get me into it.

[arctic talon]

Bloodbowl is an alternate timeline

[minor lance]

Add in a Vampirate Blood Bowl faction and I am sold.

[arctic talon]

From fantasy

But still

Vampire blood bowl team would be cool

[celest dome]

Old World as much as I liked Fantasy doesn't interest me because all the cool stuff we could have gotten was not yet invented (Dwarf/Skaven)

I'd rather have gotten one with a broken Old World but continuing the timeline

[minor lance]

Vampirate.

Gimme Vampire Coast. I love undead pirates. They're like... My favourite sub-genre of b-movie

[arctic talon]

B-movie

[minor lance]

or whatever

[arctic talon]

Pirates of the Carabian

[minor lance]

I dunno what to call it

[arctic talon]

Had undead pirates lmao

[minor lance]

YO

UNDEAD PIRATES

WERE A THJING SO LONG BEFORE THAT!

[ripe mica]

The god emperor of man kind is a gene warrior from the dark age of technology, he escaped during the fall on terra and used his time to manipulate others with his Alpha+ powers to make them believe his story of being master of mankind .

[viscid grove]

just keep coming back because they are literally undead

[minor lance]

But yes I also did love PotC in no small part due to undead pirates being awesome

It's just such a good trope.

Let me play bloodbowl and shoot someone with a zombie please.

[rustic spruce]

Inb4 someone goes and makes a warhammer moba

[minor lance]

Ok well..

[broken zenith]

the worst part is that Warhammer Forge team of Forge World wasn't even aware of Tom Kirby's sudden decision to kill off WFB in 2014, so Alan Bligh of WF/FW had to cancel then upcoming supplement The Battle of Black Fire Pass, mock up of which was actually showcased during 2012 FW Open Day at AdeptiCon with Alan Bligh, Talima Fox, Mark Bedford, Simon Egans etc. talking about what was gonna be featured, from Averland army list of Marius Leitdorf to Halflings allied contingent list, from Thunderbarge, War Balloons and Rune Golems for the Dwarfs to the Sea Trolls/Shugons, Forest Goblins and Night Goblins with Flaming Censers for the Orcs & Goblins at the time, Marius' Averland Command Regiment prototype mini was showcased too. And then the 3 other sequels for T:TToC had to be cancelled as well, and the showcased prototype minis such as K'daai Destroyers for Monstrous Arcanum and its sequels...

Not to mention the posthumously released AoS 1E Shar'tor and Fimirach Nobles which were originally intended for WFB. :c

[viscid grove]

dawn of war will be sufficient

[minor lance]

Y'see....

[celest dome]

AoS For Honor would be cool

[minor lance]

UHHHH

Dark Nexus... Was uhhh

A thing.

That...

Happened.

[broken zenith]

ikr same, CotNW was an awesome global campaign

[minor lance]

Yep. The decision was not well thought out overall and was handled pitifully and anyone who says "But WHFB sales!!!" doesn't understand that this exact attitude which led to how bad the ET was is the same attitude that led to WHFB pitiful sales.

That attitude of "It's not selling as well as 40K! Quick! Scrap it and do something new!"

[broken zenith]

Yup, pretty much. Well said.

FW was doing a lot to save WFB in 8E, T:TToC and MA were great supplements

[minor lance]

Like, AoS is in a good spot, and it's great it exists but like...

Could it not have existed in the old world? At all?

[sly trench]

I mean, there's a reason Total War is OW

[minor lance]

Fix the rules, add new factions.

[broken zenith]

all GW had to do was a follow up to something like SoM at the time, but they just did subpar campaign supplements like Sigmar's Blood instead.

and even FW tried to follow up SoM with MA, couldn't GW do that as well? Tom Kirby, arghhhhh

[crisp heath]

20 minutes lads

[minor lance]

Oh right

I legitimately forgot about DT

[viscid grove]

ET is a mess, like smashing the dining table. No appetite to taste AoS.

[coral latch]

ITS TIME to PURGE

[minor lance]

My seething, impotent nerdrage at ET has blinded me to DT's existence

Speaking of the ET

MY BOY

SKARSNIK

MY CHILD

MY ANGRY GOBLIN SUN TZU

FORGOTTEN

[plush mason]

....what did ET do to skarsnik?

[minor lance]

That's the problem.

They didn't.

Gobbla died

Skarsnik got depressed

And that's it

[sly trench]

It could be worse, every single character I liked was crushed in ET

[viscid grove]

they just forgot him like forgotting many characters

[minor lance]

He never appeared in another book.

[atomic compass]

👀

[minor lance]

But he was the prophet of MORK

The Avatar of the kunnin' but bru'al

[plush mason]

yeah sounds like they didnt fuck him over to hard. by ET standards at least

[minor lance]

I mean, yeah but they just... Forgot he existed completely.

He didn't have an end.

[viscid grove]

he must get assassined by Snikch then

[minor lance]

Gobbla died, Skarsniuk got sad, end.

[minor lance]

Classic Dawi, never fortifying anything, prone to leaving doors open and undefended

[plush mason]

again i love my sneaky rat boi but i really dont need to be triggered rn

this is a happy moment

[sly trench]

I'm still bitter about Festus dying to Vlad

[minor lance]

Tfw you're a Mannchild and stab a golden boi in the back and end the world cause you have an inferiority complex even though you're an ancient lord of blood and death.

This wasn't aimed at Vlad, mind. Just a relative of his.

[sly trench]

It's rough out here being a Nurgle fan

Every single major Nurgle character dies and flops hard

[crisp heath]

tell me about it

[minor lance]

Fans are fantastic as spreading Granpa's plagues.

It's always hard being a nurgle fan. Lots of work to do.

[viscid grove]

but the tree part is great. shows the father's cycle of life

[rustic spruce]

Is khorne the strongest chaos god

[minor lance]

Having a meteor crash into the world and add new magical mass, or having a 'mirror' world be crated and the veil between it fracture, would have been ideal.

[plush mason]

which is ironic given that Nurgle is effectively the god of shit and ET was nothing but shit

[crisp heath]

sometimes, it depends

[sly trench]

Yeah, the tree part was at least thematically quite cool, but the fact that he dies over Vlad's man crush on a frenchman

[minor lance]

Killing off a large number of beloved characters in really dumb and contrived ways, however, will never make people happy.

[crisp heath]

all the gods are strongest and weakest depending on whats happening in the galaxy

[coral latch]

khorne is the oldest isnt he?

[viscid grove]

if strong means muscle then yes

[crisp heath]

part of their great game for dominance over each other

[minor lance]

Pfff, aight, nice. ahaha

[crisp heath]

nurgle is canonically the oldest

[coral latch]

ahhh ok thats what i thought but wasnt sure

[minor lance]

Age is, iirc, Nurgle > Khrone > Tzeench > Slaanesh

[crisp heath]

of course oldest is only a term mortals would use since technically all the gods have always existed inside the warp

[sly trench]

Is that age consistent across both fantasy and 40k?

[viscid grove]

what about gaok and maok

[crisp heath]

since time doesnt work the same inside the warp

[minor lance]

Death was always there, war and violence came next, scheming to overcome war, and excess once any kind of balance would have been met.

[plush mason]

death murder change and ??? in effect

[viscid grove]

and futa

[sly trench]

Death, murder, change, and lsd

[crisp heath]

yes

[willow moth]

Death, Murder, Change and Excess

[minor lance]

DEYZ BEEN 'ROUND FA EVAH, YOU GIT. 'AVE A FINK, ROIGHT NAO. FINK, DOES YOU REMEMBAH A TIME WIFFOUT THE BOYZ? NAH? DER YA GO. GORK N MORK'S THE OLDEST. SIMPLE AZ.

[sly trench]

Ty, I'm never sure how much about the Chaos Gods is consistent across the two

[crisp heath]

gork and mork have existed since the conception of the orkz in real space by the old ones

[willow moth]

I mean, Gork and Mork are probably the most powerful entities, they're just too busy beating the shit out of each other to do anything else

[normal stream]

gork and mork are fairly young. They're the warp echoes of the orks' existence, and the orks themselves were engineered by the old ones

[minor lance]

It's so 1:1 that there's uhh... Fuck what're they called. The chaos mechas

[crisp heath]

so theyre fucking ancient

[plush mason]

yeah it was joke about how many different ways "excess" can be depicted

[sly trench]

Soulgrinders?

[visual verge]

its 7 minutes, my brothers!

[rustic spruce]

There’s that malice chaos god that’s banished into the retconium

[normal stream]

The chaos gods existed at the same time the old ones did, so the chaos gods are going to be far older than gork and mork

[runic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-commissar-tzeentch-confused-gif-26391578

[normal stream]

Don't forget the gods of order from RT 😆

[minor lance]

Slaanesh is mostly excess in perfection. People often misconstrue Tzeench as ambition, when he isn't quite. Tzeench is ambitious desires. Tzeench is about those who want to be at the top, damn the way to get there.

Slaanesh is about ambition in perfection. You don't want to be seen as the best, you want to be the best. You want to be so perfect that not a soul could ever think otherwise.

[broken zenith]

Kka the Chaos God of Harpies

[iron lance]

I wouldn't even say mostly tbh, it's just any kind of excess, even if perfection is a common one