40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Assuming necron ships allow it

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Unironicially

necrons are like

[wild shard]

They are all dormant

[rancid tide]

if he's named 9 times out of 10 for sure lol

[arctic talon]

the one faction named space mariens

*marines

lose against lol

[wild shard]

Go to sleeping worlds

[arctic talon]

Like

Helbrecht lost an arm

[rancid tide]

unless he only shows up in like 2 pages of the book lol

[storm jungle]

You'd need to know where they are first

[arctic talon]

Moloch got his ass beaten

Cato got his ass beaten

Calgar also got his ass beaten

Dante lost a fight

[wild shard]

Necrons arent as hard to get rid of as orcs

[arctic talon]

named marines lose to necrons

really frequently

[wild shard]

True

[arctic talon]

Moloch got his ass beaten so hard he was assumed dead

One Necron Overlord took on him + an entire squad of veteran terminators

[storm jungle]

They are.

[wild shard]

I often forget that the information players get isnt the same info the imperium gets in lore/game lol

[storm jungle]

Like the silent king literally destroys an entire planet with all the Imperials on it because one of the marines denied a necron overlord an honor duel

and his ship stretched from horizon to horizon from orbit

[arctic talon]

There's a rogue trader who thinks Necrons aren't real

and are an elaborate hoax

[rancid tide]

I am alpharius

[arctic talon]

that the admech came up with

to get more funding

no I am not joking

[wild shard]

Lol

[storm jungle]

Also yeah your average imperial knows jackshit

[wild shard]

Rogue traders are something else

[jade crest]

Can an Ogryn beat a chaos marine?

[storm jungle]

Yes

[wild shard]

Probably not

[storm jungle]

He snaps ones neck at one point

no wait not snap

literally suplex him and break his spine

a fucking terminator too

[wild shard]

Thats unreal

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough

[jade crest]

So he goes bane on him

[woven ermine]

what if you make a space marine out of an ogryn

[arctic talon]

The best place to fight Necrons in normally

Is cqb

[wild shard]

You cant. Ogryn genetics dont allow the seed

[arctic talon]

Most of them don’t have instakill weaponry

[woven ermine]

sadge

[arctic talon]

At that range

[storm jungle]

Yeah but warriors can engage in melee with marines

[rancid tide]

HAHAHHAHA he said seed

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

the problem is they are rusty bionicle robots so

💀

[wild shard]

Gene seed lol

[arctic talon]

The marine will prolly win

But

If they’re at a range

Dub goes to the warrior

Always

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-warhammer-gauss-gif-24598584

[wild shard]

Chaos marines have better weapons than ogryns

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

Rip random cadian guardsmen

[storm jungle]

a soldier has a better weapon than a bear too

but you'll still get mauled

[wild shard]

If you let the bear get in range lol

[arctic talon]

Who wins soldier with a handgun

Or a very angry bear

[wild shard]

Or if you try to shoot bear with anything less than 40-75 gvt

[storm jungle]

Flayed Ones my beloved ❤️

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-necron-40k-gif-25759087

[wild shard]

What caliber handgun

[arctic talon]

Idfk 9mm

[wild shard]

Bear wins

[rancid tide]

I call them the Pancetta Gang

[jade crest]

Would an Ogryn beat a grizzly bear?

[wild shard]

But these dudes are shooting at least 40mm rounds

Theres no way an ogryn can shake that off

So if the ogryn won, it was very lucky

Or a 1v1 cqw duel

Cant wrap my head around that

[woven ermine]

given that leeman russ is the primarch of the wolf furries, how would the primarch of the felinids be called?

[wild shard]

Chaos marines are veterans using wargear from unification wars

[rancid tide]

this ogryn 1v1 cqc with a CSM

[wild shard]

But now they are jokes lol

[wild shard]

Lionel johnson lol

[woven ermine]

kekw

[jade crest]

Would Ogryns eat corpse starch?

[wild shard]

What WOULDNT ogryns eat

Well find out on nov 30th

[woven ermine]

lionel johnson? more like SMELLonel johnson hehexd

[arctic talon]

Nurgling

[jade crest]

Necrons?

[wild shard]

Im sure theres lore text where ogryn eats tyranid forearm

From genestealer

[woven ermine]

how it taste tho

[wild shard]

Like crab

[jade crest]

Lobster

[woven ermine]

pog

[rancid tide]

damn wouldn't mind that ngl

a 6ft lobster

damn

[wild shard]

Me neither

Until lobster eats you

[woven ermine]

gives a new meaning to all you can eat seafood buffet

[rancid tide]

just as long as I get to have a bite first

[wild shard]

Carnifex is the most terrifying thing imo

[rancid tide]

gastronomic experiences are my weakness

[rancid tide]

ol one eye

[woven ermine]

ay corvus is chasing after lorgar right? is corvus capable of killing lorgar permanently or would he just respawn after a while?

[wild shard]

Yeah, id shit my pants

[storm jungle]

Thats more of a fan meme

Lorgar isnt scared of Corvus as much as he is wary of him

id be too if some homeless demon hobo tried to attack my tower then ran away

[wild shard]

Lorgar should be scared of corvus.

[storm jungle]

He cant

he has books to read

[wild shard]

And children to molest

[storm jungle]

[wild shard]

Cause lets be honest

[copper cliff]

Loregar

[wild shard]

Lorgar gives that vibe

[storm jungle]

Nah

but uh

[woven ermine]

is lorgar chaos undivided?

[storm jungle]

his adoptive parent Kor Phaeron does

[storm jungle]

Ye

the Word Bearers serve all the gods

[woven ermine]

what about the false god

*god emperor, excuse the heresy

[jade crest]

Was that simple as meme said by an Ogryn?

Or Titus?

[woven ermine]

the scope on lasguns is amazing

[wild shard]

Can you rephrase the question?

Cause all of humanity follows the emporer

If they follow or worship anyone else, they are heretics

[wild shard]

Hahahahahha

Omg

[plush mason]

you mean kidnapper and torturer

Kor was an absolute monster and if big e had any love in him for his sons he would have crushed him like an ant on the spot

which in hindsight he should have done that to the whole world and taken Lorgar back to terra for a shit ton of rehabilitation

[jade crest]

Are the foes in the game just poxwalkers and heretics?

[rancid tide]

"love in him for his sons" this makes me chuckle

cause

WE DONT GOT LOVE IN THIS BIH

[plush mason]

ofc not

[rancid tide]

DO JOB SPAWN

[plush mason]

yup

[rancid tide]

Y U BETRAY ME I DIDN'T TELL U ANYTHING

ez

[rancid tide]

in dev blog way back they mentioned orcs and other possible entities

xenos for sure

[copper cliff]

I want a legion of Chaos Undecided. They just can't make up their mind.

[rancid tide]

who we're not sure

[plush mason]

they did?

[rancid tide]

just a bunch of dude's with crab claws, red skin, an afinity for the warp, and they smell bad

[rancid tide]

yessir

super long ago tho

before the game got delayed to oblivion

I remember it vividly cause I told everyone about it lol

[jade crest]

I wanna see Ogryn vs Ork

[plush mason]

sadly if its really really old those plans could have been scrapped

[rancid tide]

I was like this to everyone I could chat up

but orcs

[plush mason]

its orks ya git

[jade crest]

Would Necrons be too tough for a band of convicts?

[rancid tide]

the C or K doesn't matter when you're squig food

[plush mason]

lmao

[rain leaf]

why yes. especialy for our psyker budy.

[copper cliff]

It changes up every week

[rancid tide]

Maybe today we get red horns, maybe tomorrow I grow 1 titty

who knows

[copper cliff]

Instead of trying to get favor with the dark gods the dark gods are constantly trying to get their favor and they're just like:

https://tenor.com/bYhYf.gif

[rancid tide]

just sounds like a warhammer version of the bachelor

who's going to be our lucky entity tonight! ON THE BACHELOR

"insert title card: warp horrors, etc"

[copper cliff]

Find out next time on CHAOS! UN-DE-CIDEEEED!

[copper cliff]

Been thinking about a homebrew Imperial Guard regiment based off the Warhammer Fantasy Death's Heads halberdier regiment. Maroon and black colors. Thinking their lore would be something like their planet's governor fell to chaos and they wore masks to hide their identities like the Death's Heads in Fantasy, while they fought back against the encroaching corruption. Literally fighting to the last squad against the approach of chaos until finally reinforcements arrived. Imagining sort of like urban commandos situation, military force that operates in dense industrial environments carrying on the tradition of hiding their identities. Instead each member of the Regiment takes on an alias that they are referred to by other Death's Heads. And in a similar way to most Space Marine chapters do a lil family abandonment to join the Death's Heads to fight chaos, genestealers, etc..

I guess there's already the Legio Mortis but they're traitor titans so they don't count!

[rustic spruce]

I wonder what drove the mechanicus to just one day decide to bring cherubs into existence

[copper cliff]

They be Gothic

[thin crescent]

A need for cheap labor from smaller sized bodies?

Same as humans?

[copper cliff]

Makes me wonder if like Christianity exists in 40k and since the emperor borrowed a lot of its iconography mechanicus probably just double borrowed it from him

[rustic spruce]

do cherubs do any tasks that a servo skull couldn't do?

[copper cliff]

Be creepy

[pastel schooner]

Carry ammo belts

[vapid solstice]

whats the difference between imperial army and solar auxiliae

[twin seal]

Solar Auxilia is part of the Imperial Army.

[hallow stone]

Iirc the imperial army referred to the entirety of the non astartes military, both before and during the great crusade and the horus heresy. The solar auxilia as Darkhoodie said was a branch of that military.

[loud vector]

there is one, the necron dynasty called the severed

[rain leaf]

the brain worms the tau use for mindcontrol and those other spiders nobody managed to purge... yet

[placid dock]

Aw, just let the megarachnid be. They're just minding their own business

[copper cliff]

Megarachnid waifu?

[placid dock]

I smell a commission...

[arctic talon]

It did, the emperor wiped it out

And yes he took the imagery

[waxen condor]

how does the adeptus mechanicus preserve human "soul" or "consciousness" in their reverence of the Machine God? I can 100% accept a kind of handwavey answer such as "any being with a soul that gets into the mechanicus with genuine fervor and replaces his body parts bit by bit can be up to 99.9% augmented while retaining his soul". Or is the line it treads between a well-placed heavily augmented techpriest and a man of iron part of the fun? some other shit?

[arctic talon]

As much as tech priests augment themselves the brain itself is still pretty sacred

It isn’t replaced

Rather it’s added to

The admech is pretty against people chopping out chunks of their brains

For augmentation purposes to become closer to the omnissiah

[waxen condor]

i think there's veiled references to augmented stuff like medula or cerebrum, i'd expect those to be additional things to help processing power like u mention

[arctic talon]

It’s why most tech priests think Garian tech priests

Are creepy

[waxen condor]

alright so if the brain is like their eucharist or whatever

[arctic talon]

Garian tech priests

Like

[waxen condor]

please tell me about garian tech priests

[arctic talon]

Cut out the emotional centers of the brain

And replace them with more processing power

They’re so hyper fixated on logic they straight up shrug off warp phenomena

And can like ignore psychic attacks

[waxen condor]

that is hilarious without being rude its like super powered mechanical autism

and terrifying

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I mean they have terrible people skills

Even by admech standards

Garian Skitarii don’t retreat

[waxen condor]

ignore moreso being they lack the influence in the immaterium of normals

[arctic talon]

Till like

[waxen condor]

rite?

[arctic talon]

Most likely

But tech priests still have some sort of soul

No matter how augmented they are

It may become more faint

But it still exists

Also fun fact

[waxen condor]

right so would you say that gradient of faintness is tied more to their emotional investment in the situation (akin to being blessed by the ruinous powers just for... other emotions) or physical integrity

[arctic talon]

All the forges in darktide

Seem to be from Garia

[waxen condor]

great we let the aspergus astartes make our gear

[arctic talon]

Or rather overseen by Garian tech priests

The chopping out the brain bit comes later

For garia

Engineers and stuff don’t have that

Process done

[waxen condor]

yeah there's gotta be thousands of acolytes and people working their way up like GOD i cannot wait to NOT GIVE A SHIT EVER AGAIN.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But Garian tech priests are absurdly stubborn

Along with the skitarii under them

[waxen condor]

whats great about being part of any organization in 40k is that truly it doesnt matter whether or not your reality is just a construct on a daemon world: they're pretty goddamn bonked either way

[arctic talon]

There’s no room for retreat in tight ship based combat which they have had to do way too much

So the skitarii just

Don’t retreat

[waxen condor]

that is logical

[arctic talon]

If you retreat in a ship hallway

Ur gona get shot to death

And Garia has a giant space station capable of warp travel

That they use to mine resources with and produce war material

[hallow stone]

40k is the universe you want to watch and but never live in

[waxen condor]

do we even know what they're up to with them resources

[arctic talon]

Yes

[waxen condor]

or is it just illogical to tell us and waste time

[arctic talon]

Lots of guns

They make a ton of guns

[waxen condor]

at least they're transparent most people have literal eldritch demons in their warp-powered stations

[arctic talon]

One of the autogun patterns in game

Is a garia pattern

One

[waxen condor]

seems like there's actually a load of diversity in that regard

[arctic talon]

Or is it aggripina pattern

I forgor

[waxen condor]

which is dope because afaik tabletop dudes and general loremen know of the 400000 lasgun variants by heart

[arctic talon]

But after the Crown of Miracles

[waxen condor]

so its about time they got a game

[arctic talon]

Returns

From like

A resource harvesting trip

It’s just full production

Because it’s the size of a small moon approximately

[waxen condor]

these lads figured a forge world was inefficient

madlads

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[waxen condor]

and is it inhabited more or less all the way through

[arctic talon]

They also got into a war with orks over an astroid belt

Rich in resources

[waxen condor]

we talkin like a 90 billion dollar population thang?

wait

just 90 million

not dolalrs

[arctic talon]

Lol

We dunno the population

Of most forge worlds

I’d say they’re in the trillions on average for the major ones

[rain leaf]

the currency is "throne gelt" by the way. Dollars have not survived the unification wars.

[arctic talon]

Throne gelt, imperial credits, thrones, aquillas

Are the common names

But the imperium has no centralized currency

[waxen condor]

so whats a throne gelt look like

[arctic talon]

Unless we count human lives and blood

[waxen condor]

can i hold it in my hands

[arctic talon]

I don’t think it’s ever been given a depiction

I know credits are a solid like material

In necromunda, the tabletop game

[waxen condor]

alright aquillas ill just assume is an e-denarius, credits r some kinda card, and thrones are whatever the fuck

how close was I

[arctic talon]

We dunno lol

[waxen condor]

nice

thats whats great about tabletop games they let us make skub over literally everything

[arctic talon]

I’m pretty sure the admech don’t even pay their workers with actual money

[rain leaf]

Not all currencys are solid. with the ammounts regularly shifted it is better to just keep it in the books so to say.

[arctic talon]

On forge worlds lol

[placid dock]

The real question is are you pro or anti?

[waxen condor]

honestly im on the fence

[arctic talon]

Also fun fact Agrapina was the forge world the space marine game took place on

[waxen condor]

and she was fuckin bangin back in greek times afaik

[copper cliff]

Emperor is what r/Atheism members think they are

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

The Emperor is also way more evil then them

Then again

He wasn’t the most evil warlord on terra

[waxen condor]

yeah but like he works on problems orders of magnitude larger than we can think aboot

[rain leaf]

The emperor knows you can kill gods by not believing in them.

[arctic talon]

Mostly because there was one called The Ethnostate

I do not think I need to elaborate

[copper cliff]

If he's so good at killing gods why is he one?

[waxen condor]

isn't the emperor the only genetically pure humie you can straight up get supernatural powers from just if you think he's really cool

[copper cliff]

https://tenor.com/bEOOK.gif

[arctic talon]

L

[waxen condor]

not like nobody else could displace him but that sentiment alone is worthy of executio

[copper cliff]

Horus Heresy was just a plot to kill himself but everyone keeps him alive cause they're cringe and not a based reddit moderator like him

[waxen condor]

horus heresy was a surprise birthday party gone horribly wrong

[rain leaf]

Magnus did everything right, not his fault Webways are not in the Warp Manuals.

[waxen condor]

i just don't trust red people

not racist or nothing

[arctic talon]

I wonder how many tech priests there are on board the morning star

We’ve seen 2

And the ship is somewhat small

Since it’s a frigate/escort ship

[copper cliff]

still in the "too damn big" category

[waxen condor]

somewhat small being only a $40 uber ride across right

[rain leaf]

1.8km x300m x700(?) it has quite a few decks which we mostlikely wont access ever. That fits a lot of Techpriests.

[rapid dock]

those damn red cloak toaster fuckers are on thin ice

[arctic talon]

Yep

[loud vector]

the devs could give us a admech subclass at the least, as a treat

there are tech thralls and tech adepts im sure the inquisition have scooped up every now and then

like an adept that showed up his betters and almost got servitored or an adept that got a bit too funky with scrap code / xenos stuff

[copper cliff]

N o

[fierce pendant]

They might but they said they're focusing on preexisting archetypes now. Admech would be a new archetype rather than a class to one of the preexisting archetypes (Zealot, Ogryn, Vet, psyker).

[loud vector]

grenade launcher for the guardsman would be neat i reckon

a power fist would be appropriate i reckon

or one of these? its a imp navy weapon so i think they could get their hands on one

[celest dome]

Is that a Hotshot Lasgun ?

[loud vector]

i think its like a mini multi-laser

[fierce pendant]

Weapons are planned but we don't know what they'll decide to include. We most likely have no hotshot for Veteran so this could be one of the first weapons they get. Powerfist could work too. Or potential combo weapon boltpistol/chainsword powerfist/plasma pistol etc. Depends how they'll handle future content.

But yeah stuff like that's cool too

I just assume given majority asks for stuf flike hotshot/powerfist/combo weapons etc. They'll come around first.

[woven ermine]

ogryn gets lorgars mace

[fierce pendant]

[loud vector]

yeah, maybe that mace will actually get to kill someone for once

[woven ermine]

lorgar did nothing wrong

[loud vector]

erebus said he was sorry

now hear me out

[fierce pendant]

I mean ok

Bardin had a trollhammer torpedo

I guess this will work too

[rain leaf]

I hear ya

[fierce pendant]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[loud vector]

exactly, could be cool with u doing diff types of ammo, like krak for the bigguns, and frag for the gribblies

[fierce pendant]

Different ammo types I'm not sure.

at least I don't know how they would implement it.

It's more about the whole squad picking gear to be ready against every threat.

[loud vector]

couldnt be too hard to do, just another hotkey, and u can reload and swap between the two. like zofia in R6

[rain leaf]

it could replace the grenade feature for a veteran subclass, since its technically rocket propelled grenades.

[fierce pendant]

I'm talking more about the design in itself than feature availability.

[loud vector]

prob like these ones

rather than the sm stubby ones

[fierce pendant]

I understand, but again. Game's about not veteran picking three types of rockets and stuffing them in his backpack but about vet picking plasma gun when he sees the rest of his team has good weapons against ranged specials or disablers and they need something anti armor etc.

[copper cliff]

Imagine lasguns powered by warpstone

[fierce pendant]

[copper cliff]

No fucking clue where it got warplanes from wtf

Not war planes

Warp lanes

[fierce pendant]

Warp highway.

[copper cliff]

Why don't the chaos gods simulate Seattle traffic?

[fierce pendant]

[loud vector]

the idea id have is it would take the grenade slot, but would take awhile to reload/swap ammo. and u get more ammo for it the same way u get more grenades

[fierce pendant]

I could see it working out for some new veteran class more tbh

[copper cliff]

The rocketeer

[fierce pendant]

With ability being the ammo types

[copper cliff]

Jetpack rocket launcher

[fierce pendant]

which are just passive swaps

[loud vector]

and u would need to get it out compared to the quick pull of a grenade, so low speed and reaction, but higher damage, range and versatility if u plan it out before hand

[loud vector]

i only wish

i mean how hard can it be to get a grav chute

[fierce pendant]

I guess. Idk, not a game dev so I can't say if they won't/will add it.

[copper cliff]

Trades sprint for low altitude flight

[fierce pendant]

we have acctran pattern confirmed btw. But might be not in game now.

[loud vector]

like a boost from halo sorta thing

[fierce pendant]

Like it's the only image we have of it.

So it could be just an asset right now

but ye they made it

[loud vector]

also

but for auto/las

[copper cliff]

That heretic looks like he's posing for the photoshoot

[loud vector]

like a few seconds of the other gun and then its on a big cool down

[copper cliff]

Gunzerker class when

DOUBLE THE DISCIPLINE

[loud vector]

this

we need this

[fierce pendant]

They could add it yeah.

I'm just curious how much crafting changed if at all.

They mentioned changing weapon attachments early into development but it's radio silence about it now.

So

[copper cliff]

I do kind of want a gun that does the gears of War rip down with an underbarrel chainsaw

[fierce pendant]

Could be we're not able to do that and we can just roll for stats

[copper cliff]

I think they always meant modifying stats not attachments

And traits and such

[fierce pendant]

prolly

standard fs communication moment

[copper cliff]

Also DT discord moment to take one word and suddenly imagine a whole game system around it

[fierce pendant]

Brainrot got to me

[copper cliff]

Dt discord Brainrot. Its one of nurgle's blessed gifts

[fierce pendant]

[rocky cloud]

Really excited about this game and brand new to 40k I started listening to a podcast when I got the time to learn about the lore. I have one question. What exactly IS the emperor and how did he get everyone to follow them so willingly

[copper cliff]

He conquered everybody else with godlike strength and formed a massive empire.

What he is I think is speculation. He's just a big magic boi.

[coral latch]

to my knowledge the emperor was created by 7 psykers who essentially yeeted themselves to make a god basically to lead mankind

hes like a s teir psyker

[rocky cloud]

What is a psyker? Are they humans that tap into the warp more than others?

[copper cliff]

I think they just either summoned or created a chaos god. Which is my headcanon for what the Empire is. I mean hes a overpowered warp wizard who commands a legion of followers and even has the equivalent of daemon princes serving him. Bestows blessings on his followers. Its sus

[coral latch]

think of it kinda like jedi or sith

they can tap into the warp to use spells etc

[copper cliff]

Except instead of the force its concentrated bad vibes

[coral latch]

well techically the warp is all emotions

atleast before the chaos gods were created

[copper cliff]

Yeah thats a bad vibe. Imagine being ALL of the emotions. Thats fucked up.

Anyway, don't mess with hell energy kids

[coral latch]

i mean you can use the warp without bad vibes the grey knights do it litterally every time they fart

[copper cliff]

Are grey knights... a good vibe?

I say no

[coral latch]

depends who you are

[vivid wind]

Guys question (haven't played the closed beta): Is Darktide lore not completely integrated just like what Vermintide was?
Also, anyone's got around the events of this game?

[rocky cloud]

So psyker are humans and they gathered around one day to make another chaos God to lead mankind that turned into the emperor

[copper cliff]

Don't think it was the intention

[coral latch]

the emperor isnt a chaos god tho

[copper cliff]

They just wanted a fancy lad

[coral latch]

its speculated the old ones created him

[rocky cloud]

I'm interested on how he got such a big following though

[fierce pendant]

Yeah it's not integrated, Grendyl, Atoma Prime are characters and places made specifically for Darktide.

[coral latch]

because he was a literal god lol

[copper cliff]

Well he was a very strong guy. I think literally is hard to quantify

He didn't even wanna be seen as a God

[fierce pendant]

And it happens during the era indomitus? The one where ultramarines primarch is back and Nurgle's fucking up stuff around. So mostly recent events in isolated place to tell it's own story.

[copper cliff]

Which didn't help much with the Christian iconography

[coral latch]

he created almost immortal super soldiers and made huge technological advancement for humans. he was all science and shit

[rocky cloud]

Interesting. Ok right on

[coral latch]

and yeah he never wanted to be worshipped

[copper cliff]

Well he did it with a lot of help he didn't like singlehandedly spawn everything into existence

[coral latch]

he died and the church was like "mah god emppeore

[rocky cloud]

The emperor died?

[copper cliff]

Hes a vegetable now

[coral latch]

^

[vivid wind]

Not that Nurgle "ain't involved" in 40k events XD
Nurgle is still the top one working in the 40k universe

[copper cliff]

Not exactly dead but barely alive

[coral latch]

he chills on the golden throne

[fierce pendant]

I mean yeah but I'm referring to plague wars. Anyways it's recent events and Nurgle's involved (again) there.

[copper cliff]

Pog wars

[fierce pendant]

Poggers bridge

[rocky cloud]

Interesting what about the chaos gods? Did they not see him as a threat even now as he's a vegetable why not kill him?

[coral latch]

chaos is the reason hes a vegtable lol

hourus heresy and shit

[rocky cloud]

Hourus?

Sorry I'm still new to allot of this

[fierce pendant]

He means Horus

[coral latch]

^

[rancid tide]

Can't wait for tmrw

[fierce pendant]

One of the primarchs and traitor

[coral latch]

^

[rocky cloud]

Who are they primarchs?

[coral latch]

primarchs were essentially space marines cubed

[rocky cloud]

God there is so much lore

[coral latch]

like mini demi gods

[fierce pendant]

Daddy's specially engineered and designed sons.

[copper cliff]

They were the emperor's genetically engineered children.

[coral latch]

who led space marine legions

[fierce pendant]

They lead space marine chapters

Ye

[rocky cloud]

Ok did they have power armor too or were they just power armor beings?

[copper cliff]

And then Horus betrayed the emperor and the imperium and took a bunch of primarchs and legions to chaos who then fucked up the imperium 10,000 years ago in 40k timeline

[empty knoll]

who ironically have daddy issues

[coral latch]

they wore armor but were bigger than normal marines and lived longer i believe

[copper cliff]

Sorry spoilers

[vivid wind]

He's a supreme vegetable who even in his presumable dead form keeps daemons locked off Earth and the inner warp so that humanity can't be invaded.
Chaos is doing everything to actually kill him or make the imperium rebel against the "corpse god", to the point they even joined forces alltogether to face the super soldiers menace

[fierce pendant]

Daddy saved me so now I hate him

daddy did the thing so now I'll be paranoid about it

Amazing

[coral latch]

if it wasnt for the damn word bearers

[fierce pendant]

Seethe and Cope Emperor Lorgar was right all along

[copper cliff]

Emperor was not very smart when he made a demi-god of the guy with cybernetically engineered anger issues knowing Khorne exists.

[rocky cloud]

Weird so genetically altered chior bois rebel against their lord and savior.

Very interesting

[coral latch]

well some

[fierce pendant]

Well I mean. He was a shit parent to like all of em. To some more than others.

[rocky cloud]

How so?

[coral latch]

chaos when it gets in your head fucks you up ^

[empty knoll]

isnt the big daddy e actually stronger now rather than when he was still functional because of slaanesh?

[vivid wind]

Well, the emperor was famous for NOT being the father of the year, he basically abandoned his sons

[coral latch]

also he was a pretty shit dad

[coral latch]

no actually hes closer to dying as they dont know how to repair the throne

[copper cliff]

Emps from what I understand is a pretty inconsistent figure tbh.

[fierce pendant]

I'd say it's best you read stuff on lexicanum about it because it would be a lot to get into details of every primarch

[rocky cloud]

Why did he abondon them wouldn't he want to help them lead humanity into progresion?

[empty knoll]

Ahh I was thinking because didnt the Eye of Terror flood the galaxy with warp energy?

[copper cliff]

Well you see the Emperor and the Imperium are terrible people.

[vivid wind]

I wouldn't say stronger because he's just a "lich" in a throne. The only power he preserves is the locking of the warp, which alone is insanely good but not as much as what he did in 10k years of life

[coral latch]

if they just let the fucker die hed respawn but nooooo

[fierce pendant]

Yep

[copper cliff]

From what I understand if he dies universe gets flooded with daemons even if he respawns so kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't classic 40k stagnation

[coral latch]

yeah first fact of warhammer every faction is pretty awful, everyones the villian

[rocky cloud]

If he can reincarnate why doesn't he use his mind powers to kill himself and let chaos insue and start back from square one?

[fierce pendant]

no good guys basically. Farsight enclaves are irrelevant.

[vivid wind]

The Emperor and Imperium are two faces of dystopian tyranny, with the mere scope to lead all mankind into their own personal corrupted vision of evolution. That is why human society fell down so badly after the hand of the Imperium became dominant

[copper cliff]

I like to imagine it like a dam that repairs itself. If it breaks sure it will fix itself but the town gets flooded first

[coral latch]

farsight is probably the most chill

[empty knoll]

Theres no good guys- probs the tyrannids who are most innocent

which is kind of creepy

[vivid wind]

He's not allowed to reincarnate by the senate. They basically want him harmless to dominate humanity

[fierce pendant]

nah they're awful too

[rocky cloud]

Woah Woah who's the senate or is that a star wars reference lol

[copper cliff]

Tyranids are pretty explicitly cruel not just animals

[coral latch]

tyranids are just animals minus the hive mind intelligence so most are innocent

nom nom

[empty knoll]

ah shucks

[fierce pendant]

Ah yes the innocent members of genstealer cults

[coral latch]

ok i meant gaunts

[vivid wind]

The Imperium is led by 7 specific leaders originally, who then became 9 and some of them are yet unknown

[coral latch]

genestealers are assholes

[empty knoll]

honestly pretty heretic obviously its humanity whos good

[copper cliff]

Like tyranids are the hive mind. Separating them would apply to every faction in terms of citizenry vs rulers

[fierce pendant]

||You don't even know how many people were banned for unironically believing it.||

[rocky cloud]

I thought the imperium was led by the emperor. And if that's not the case how do they have power over a God?

[empty knoll]

||The mods are about to throw my fanatic bum out of the airlock||

[coral latch]

essentially now a group of people called the high lords of terra and the inquistion rule cause well big E cant do shit about them

[vivid wind]

After the Emperor "perished" after the battle against Horus, he was placed in the golden throne to keep the Warp clear from daemons

And since he can't say anything, they rule

[celest dome]

It's true if you take: Humanity><Imperium of Man

[coral latch]

thats how the whole god thing came to be

[copper cliff]

Humanity good cause me human

[rocky cloud]

Wouldn't he still be able to brain blast them?

[copper cliff]

Humanity only allowed to be evil when fighting other human

[vivid wind]

ALSO, the machine god the zealots revere is NOT the Emperor, but it's actually a dark god who wants to devour everything in the universe

[coral latch]

i thought the machine god was the dragon on mars

[vivid wind]

The "omnissiah"

[copper cliff]

Some of them cope and say they're the same

Also don't talk about the dragon of mars you'll summon lore people

[vivid wind]

No he can't, he can only use his power against the daemons

[empty knoll]

isnt that just a ktan

whatever

[fierce pendant]

I think we're flooding TheBed with info rn

[coral latch]

necrons missed one

they will be pissed

[copper cliff]

I think its definitely not a ctan

[empty knoll]

Necrons are always pissed

[copper cliff]

But what it is is a mystery like a lot of shit

[coral latch]

true thats why i love them "get the fuck off my lawn"

[copper cliff]

I think its actually just a normal dragon who got lost and now people won't let him go home

[empty knoll]

which is the universe

[coral latch]

thats true

[fierce pendant]

mystery? You mean a convenient plot device for an event to happen within the universe?

[copper cliff]

Whats the difference?

[empty knoll]

Im sure itll make money for the table top

[copper cliff]

[fierce pendant]

One sells new minis

[coral latch]

i think bedrooms head exploded

[copper cliff]

[coral latch]

prob rogue psyker

[empty knoll]

gone cray cray

[vivid wind]

He's chanting a decompression spell for his brain

[empty knoll]

Ive read someones summary of psykers somewhere "being a psyker is like having twitter open for 24/7"

its beautiful

[copper cliff]

[coral latch]

pretty much which is why a pysker who is sane is very impressive

most just get devoured in the warp

[rocky cloud]

Interesting. One last question

[vivid wind]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-astartes-bolter-boltgun-dakka-gif-17604583

[empty knoll]

Heresy detected opinion rejected

[rocky cloud]

In the story trailer for the game when they warp one guy sees visions of something. Is that one of the chaos gods that he saw from traveling through the interweb? (I think that's what it's called)

[dusk patrol]

It’s just a daemon probably

[coral latch]

so gellarfields are spotty

[empty knoll]

I dont think so? As far as I know laying eyes on a chaos god is a death sentence

[fierce pendant]

Just a daemon

[dusk patrol]

Warp travel just protects you from being killed by them horrifically

[coral latch]

sometimes they work sometimes they dont

[dusk patrol]

You still are affected by being in the warp

[fierce pendant]

You mean Gellar field

[dusk patrol]

Sure

[empty knoll]

Surely Ive always wanted to be a Navigator

[dusk patrol]

Bad dreams, hallucinations, hearing scratching on the walls

[empty knoll]

:clueless:

[dusk patrol]

It’s common

[vivid wind]

What they see is actually the "otherside", which is the realm where daemons live.
Travelling in the Warp wouldn't be possible without the Emperor's powers, since the Warp is basically the daemons gate into the plane universe

[dusk patrol]

No one likes warp travel

[coral latch]

not even big E

[fierce pendant]

I mean who likes passing through space hell

[coral latch]

#webway

[ocean solstice]

Hello everyone. Can someone provide me a info in where to find some lore to catch up with darktide? Im very new to warhammer but i got hooked through vermitide and am very interested in knowing. Idk what sources on google are good or not so might aswell ask here 🙂

[dusk patrol]

You can travel in the warp without the Emperor, it’s just you have no way to direct yourself properly without something like the Astronomicon

So they have to do short jumps

[coral latch]

40k in general or darktide specfic?

[dusk patrol]

Or be chaos

Where they use other means

[ocean solstice]

Darktide

[fierce pendant]

Luetin videos are supposed to be a good start as some people recommended here. But I'd just suggest to look up stuff that interests you the most on sites like lexicanum

[empty knoll]

Just be chaos lmao ez gg wp

[fierce pendant]

Ah if just Darktide then luetin

[coral latch]

^

[ocean solstice]

Cheers guys 🙂 Hope yall have fun playing later !

[dusk patrol]

Yeah his little lore video is good

[vivid wind]

It's not that one only, if you travel in the Warp without the gate's protection, Daemons WILL swarm you

[empty knoll]

Thanks and may the god emperor be with you

[dusk patrol]

The Gellar field?

[coral latch]

^

[dusk patrol]

That doesn’t have to do with the Emperor

[coral latch]

the gate doesnt really protect youi thats the gellar field

[dusk patrol]

The Emperor is required to act as a guiding point

[empty knoll]

Thats just for the ship so it doesnt get rule34d in the warp

[dusk patrol]

Non imperial factions have Gellar fields

[fierce pendant]

Big E is like mass relay from mass effect.

[coral latch]

the astrinomicon is just for directing you where you wanna go

[dusk patrol]

It’s like a lighthouse

It’s also why warp travel can only go so far outside the Milky Way

And why the eye is hard to traverse for the Imperium, as well as Nihilius

Because the Astronomicon is hidden

[coral latch]

#blame Big E for the tyranids

[dusk patrol]

So they have to do short jumps

[empty knoll]

||I am smelling a moderate amount of heresy good man||

[copper cliff]

Don't tyranids travel the old fashioned way? Very quickly.

[dusk patrol]

It’s more the night lords funnily enough

[dusk patrol]

They use a gravity field thing

But it’s slow

[coral latch]

o do tell

[fierce pendant]

What did Night slavs do this time

I actually don't know

[dusk patrol]

And it can’t be done near large bodies

[ocean solstice]

Now that i have the time to wait for the beta i can suck all this knowledge in like a sponge and get hyped even more 🙂 Thx again he does very good quality videos i can tell !

[dusk patrol]

Basically, thing called the Pharos existed during the Hersey

Necron tech

[fierce pendant]

oh no

[coral latch]

o this is good

[dusk patrol]

It worked as a makeshift Astronomicon

Loyalist use it to rally on the wrong side of the Ruinstorm

Which was a traitor warp storm made to cut off the loyalists

[vivid wind]

Should we all say the same when we will be defeated on missions against Nurgle?

[dusk patrol]

Eventually big fight happens over it, Night Lords swarm it, so Dantioch is forced to self destruct it.

It self destructing is noticed millions of light years away by this:

Far beyond the fringes of the galaxy there was naught but endless black.
Past the last few stray stars plying their lonely track through the cold night, past the dead worlds and the fragments of galactic collisions billions of years gone, past the probes sent out by extinct races recorded in no history… past all that and beyond, there was a night sea studded with the diamond islands of distant, lonely galaxies.
Though incomprehensibly vast, this sea was not empty. Great behemoths of the deep lurked there.
Into the eternal blackness, a flash of quantum energy shone out at many times the speed of light; a brief flare, milliseconds in duration, projecting from an unremarkable spiral of stars.It was not missed.
In the darkness, something of limitless hunger stirred in a slumber that had lasted for aeons. A million frozen and unblinking eyes saw the flash, tripping cascades of stimuli. Their purpose served, the eyes died.
The entity processed the message the eyes provided without ever truly awakening. Automatically, instinctively, its gargantuan, dreaming mind analysed the signal, comparing it against all parameters for the one thing it sought.
Prey.
Slowly, glacially, the great devourer shifted its course.

[vivid wind]

Don't forget the dark eldar, spawning like mushrooms...LITERALLY.
Have you ever lost to a mushroom? 😄

[eager loom]

do lasguns have recoil? is that a loaded question?

[dusk patrol]

Cut to about 9,000 or so years later

Inconsistent

Depends on the book

[fierce pendant]

Some do some don't depends on variant and book/lore of the said lasgun

[dusk patrol]

For the purposes of this game, yes

[eager loom]

I really wanted to see people argue about it thanks a lot

[coral latch]

depends but i think something like a hotshot las gun has some kick

[fierce pendant]

We had this topic too many times to argue about em.

[coral latch]

yep

[fierce pendant]

If you scroll to like year ago you'll see discussions about it

also we have a bot that reacts to the

Lasgun recoil

[copper cliff]

The only recoil you'll ever experience is from women

[dusk patrol]

Meta this. Meta that. Have you ever, Meta girl?

[empty knoll]

based

[eager loom]

I think they took the bait in general chat

[fierce pendant]

Well yeah that makes sense the amount of green leafs in gen-chat

[coral latch]

general are heathen hereticals

[copper cliff]

Degeneral chat

[fierce pendant]

God damn it Nostramo boys

[coral latch]

so the nightlords were the traitors or the loyalists ?

[fierce pendant]

most honorable of traitor legions

[dusk patrol]

Traitors

[coral latch]

that explains the fucky wuky

[copper cliff]

Night lords the kind of mfers to travel around in the fortnite bus

[coral latch]

lmao

[vivid wind]

Aight, time to get some feedbacks.
If you played the CBT, could you please tell me how many fps did you get and provide your specs please?
I'm tryna figure out the heaviness of the game and the performance split after the optimisation they stated to bring into the PRB

[dusk patrol]

Wrong thread my guy

[coral latch]

heretic sighted

[vivid wind]

Not for tech-priests 😄

[eager loom]

Don't google that

[loud vector]

i know all about cbt

[dusk patrol]

Hehe CBT joke lololol

[loud vector]

canticles, blood, tools

https://tenor.com/view/mechanicus-techpriest-warhammer-machine-spirit-omnissiah-gif-20384129

[vivid wind]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-inquisitor-gif-24599179

[coral latch]

how dare the hereticals disturb our sanctum

[loud vector]

https://tenor.com/view/reee-kid-tantrums-gif-15375793

make them begone!

[fierce pendant]

[eager loom]

The right Ultra Marine in the wrong place can make all of the difffeerreenccee in the world

[dusk patrol]

My right foot up your ass can make the world a lot more peaceful

[coral latch]

facts

[loud vector]

and alot more pleasurable

https://tenor.com/view/azazel-warhammer-total-war-slaanesh-chaos-gif-26599403

[fierce pendant]

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-mega-bonk-bonk-dog-bonkers-bonk-anime-gif-24565990

[loud vector]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-walter-heisenberg-crawl-space-gif-19584363

[dusk patrol]

Dope

I named mine Krab

[coral latch]

i think my fav i saw was Crug

[dry epoch]

Every time I see a Tig, I will be delighted

[coral latch]

i did also see a moonmoon

[dry epoch]

As Tig was named for a dear friend who passed this year, and because today would have been that friend’s birthday, I declare 17 November to be Tig Day.

[coral latch]

FOR TIG

they are purging old ones in the heavens

[tidal dome]

Lore upgrade that the players will hate me for mentioning

Ogryn weapons are never full auto. They are always burst fire.

[dry epoch]

They will be regaling everyone with their crazy anecdotes

[dusk patrol]

Unless they’re Bon’eads

[tidal dome]

Because Ogryns often forget to release the trigger.

[dusk patrol]

Gun Luggars also vary.

It’s a general rule, not a hard one

And the Ogryns we play are probably all Bon’eads or smart as hell.

Considering they can all use the gauntlet

[tidal dome]

I mean. They can't fit a magazine into the autoshotgun on the first try

And they still haven't quite figured how the grenades are working

(Or the fact that with current strategy, a rock, a brick or an enemy's head would work better)

[dusk patrol]

There’s definitely some game mechanics sprinkled in here to uh, make the game not frustrating

[tidal dome]

That or maybe the other varlets told our ogre dude how to operate the fire mode switch on a shotgun. "This makes it go dakka. This makes it go DAKKADAKKA"

"This one makes it do no dakka whatsoever. Yeah I also have no idea why is it there"

But you consider what. A trick shot. When an ogre throws a grenade box, shooting it mid air to make grenades go off rather than be squished by kinetic impact

Or an upgrade that replaces the grenade box with "Bone'ead speshual" - a brick that has written on it "gurnades" and actually deals more damage

[plush mason]

one of the ogryn voice lines mentions they think they should become a bone 'ead iirc so i think our ogryn are just extremally smart

[nocturne jetty]

Darktide needs a 5th Ratling Class?

There is Voicelines about it...

[tired umbra]

The game also has voicelines about Roboute Guilliman as well. Should we get a Primarch class as well?

[rapid dock]

Yes.

[fierce pendant]

oof

Condolences

[rapid dock]

We will purge for Tig

[dry epoch]

Thanks, man. He’d have loved that I turned him into an Ogryn in memoria 🙂

[nocturne jetty]

Yes Pls

Darktide needs more Classes

[rapid dock]

also there's roboute guilliman voice lines? isnt he still dead by the time this takes place

the 41st millenium instead of the 42nd

[shadow plover]

It's during the Indomitus crusade

He and the crusade get mentioned during gameplay

[nocturne jetty]

Isn't he Space Marine?

[tired umbra]

He's about 10x more dangerous than a Space Marine

[rapid dock]

Oh shit

Yeah I guess it'd have to be after the 13th Black Crusade considering..

[vivid wind]

If he comes as DLC boss, we're so fucked up

[shadow plover]

Indeed

[nocturne jetty]

Wait so in Darktide we got Inqusition Characters?

[rapid dock]

No and yes, we play as convicts on BEHALF of the inquisition on a penal mission

[vivid wind]

you mean in lore or playable?

[nocturne jetty]

I would rather fight with Space Marines :>)

[tired umbra]

...He's the the leader of the Imperium. Why would he be a boss?

[nocturne jetty]

lol

[vivid wind]

Don't forget we are rejects. Remember what the Imperium did to rejects in the past thousand years after using them.

[rapid dock]

I mean the Zealot goes 'blood for the emperor, skulls for the golden throne'. would it be that huge of a stretch to think our characters become heretics

[nocturne jetty]

I want this in Darktide jk.

[nocturne jetty]

WRAITH KNIGHTS

[rapid dock]

and besides papa smurf would definitely go down to a smelly hive city to kill four random people

He's not doing anything else important

[tired umbra]

Yeah it'd be TOTALLY worth his time.

To kill 4 random nobodies

[nocturne jetty]

We wont be getting Eldar Dlc

[vivid wind]

The Imperium freaking purges entire planets if they even smell bad

[nocturne jetty]

:((((

Playable Eldar

[rapid dock]

I wouldn't mind a Death Guard marine boss

like a normal stock death guard chaos marine

[vivid wind]

So no mushroom farms? Q.Q

[plush mason]

14th?

[rapid dock]

isn't it the 14th?

[vestal lava]

it would be great to face chaos space marines and other xenos armies in the future updates/dlc's ;3

[frank smelt]

Look. All im saying is if my crime is as simple as having voices in my head, i think herecy might be the logical choice.

[rapid dock]

oh naw it's the 13th

[plush mason]

ok that was what i had always heard

[vivid wind]

They are definitely coming imho

[nocturne jetty]

No

[frank smelt]

Use me for the imperium! dont shackle me for a cowards death

[nocturne jetty]

Well be fighting Chaos Currently

Pox and Nurglings only

[vivid wind]

Don't be so sure about that, on V2 they added Beastmen afterwards and Xenos and Eldar are quite used in the 40k franchise

[rapid dock]

idk why we'd be fighting eldar

Dark eldar maybe

[vivid wind]

Yea, Dark Eldar defo

[shadow plover]

another beastmen dlc

[tired umbra]

Dark Eldar would slaughter 4 dudes within a second

[rapid dock]

I could see a Necron Tomb World mission too

[tired umbra]

Necrons too would be impossible to beat

[rapid dock]

Rule of cool

[nocturne jetty]

:ooo

[nocturne jetty]

Likely to happen

[rapid dock]

'if it is cool you can ignore the lore and rules'

[nocturne jetty]

But isn't Necrons a Space Marine thing???

[plush mason]

the fringe war is clearly going to play a part in the story later down the line

[rapid dock]

usually, yeah

Space marines and adeptus mechanicus

[nocturne jetty]

lol

[vivid wind]

Each Necron enemy being a boss? i sense a "space marine" difficulty in here, just like Cataclysm

[nocturne jetty]

Still dont get the HUGE Diffrence of Inqusition and Space Marines

lol

[nocturne jetty]

Sounds like same

[prisma lark]

as would hundreds and hundreds of heretics, traitor guards, ogryns, and poxwalkers

[rapid dock]

when you get hung up on the first necron common enemy because he keeps reanimating

[tired umbra]

One of these is more fun to play against. Fighting the necron would be a slog since even their basic unit is so hard to kill.

Do you wwanna beat on a single robot man for 20 mins?

[rapid dock]

Space marines are big guys in big armor who are used as shock troops in wars while inquisition is little guys who go out and root out heresy amongst the civilians of the Imperium

[nocturne jetty]

Also Both have Psykers

[nocturne jetty]

[rapid dock]

Space marines are genetically augmented transhuman super soldiers who undergo I think 19 different surgeries to put in 19 different organs while Inquitors are usually everyday humans with some light mechanical augmentations

[vivid wind]

Space Marines = Super soldiers genetically modified to be almost unbeatable and used as "army special forces"
Inquisitors = Racist mofos who make their rules thanks to the emperor's blessing and go to the hunt on their own mostly, acting as purifiers of mankind and "applying" the Emperor's will (with their personal opinion too)

[rapid dock]

they're very far apart

[vestal lava]

imho the most fitting xenoses for 4 astra militarum rejects is maybe bunch of kroots / tyranids (?) / orks / mb some tau troopers. Others seem to be too OP ;c

[plush mason]

iirc the primarius get like 20 something new organs now

[nocturne jetty]

Necrons like Terminators

[rapid dock]

the average space marine is like nine feet tall while the average inquisitor is maybe 5'7 - 6'0

[rapid dock]

Even more meat

[nocturne jetty]

Would it be possible the Darktide Heroes to fight against Eldar?

[plush mason]

around 8 foot actually

[nocturne jetty]

Or are they weak

lol

[rapid dock]

ok

[rapid dock]

Maybe?

[mossy mortar]

Darktide heroes are absurdly strong

[rapid dock]

That they are

[mossy mortar]

They are basically space marine equivalent

[rapid dock]

They're each like a Sly Marbo, essentially

[plush mason]

the fringe war is stated as being against both chaos and xenos forces so we could easily see whatever those xenos are in future content

[rapid dock]

considering in VT the average kill count I got was 200 - 300

so every mission each Darktide reject kills 200 - 300 people

(if you can consider poxwalkers people. they're uh.. a bit weakened by nurgle's blessing)

[empty knoll]

That sounds like a bit of a stretch for me but maybe

[mossy mortar]

Four guys can wipe out like an entire platoon of veteran guard

In a single level

[plush mason]

i mean Ogryn can literally rip the arms off a chaos space marine so

[mossy mortar]

A platoon is like 20-50 guys

[plush mason]

i wonder how many of the 6th was redeployed to atoma anyway

[spark relic]

All of them, probably

[tidal dome]

Lore moment. Have you noticed that the fabulous spess muhreens are rarely used in hive cities or in otherwise fragile environment? I think I know the answers why aren't we seeing the fabulous soup knights in Atoma (one reason being there's like 100k of them as a total, which is not much), and the other one being the condition of the floor

Look at that thin rusted grate on the sceenshot above

Your average spess muhreen is only a little smaller than an ogryn (and Primaris might even be even larger), and while Ogryn is made 70% of water like any living creature, spess muhreen is that plus the tank armour on top, which makes them tremendously heavier.

[crisp heath]

primaris marines are larger this is true

[tidal dome]

And if Dark Heresy's rules for fall are accurate (And the tabletop moment that deep striking or otherwise landing on dangerous terrain is an instant kill), spess muhreens aren't used because they would immediately fall through the rusted floor and down below into the lower levels to their immediate doom

[minor lance]

It really isn't that much of a stretch. Well equipped humans are capable of some insane things in 40k. Sure, we don't have the raw power of an SM, but we are accomplishing operations of absurd odds

[minor lance]

This is a hilarious mental image

[spark relic]

Also ogryns are flesh tanks basically

Bullet sponges on legs if you would

[minor lance]

"BROTHER MALAEL, WHERE ARE WE?"
'THE UNDER-UNDERHIVE, BROTHER KAMHRU'
"BY THE EMPEROR, HOW?"
'I DON'T KNOW, BROTHER KAMHRU. PERHAPS ONE OF MY BRETHREN HAS HAD A FEW TOO MANY DECADES OF DOUBLE RATIONS.'

[tidal dome]

I guess the only chapter that has a remote chance of success in such non-OSHA compliant environment with risk of fall are space wolf long fangs, which aren't using power armour because it makes too much noise and requires batteries.

[minor lance]

There's always SM scouts, ie initiates

[lyric abyss]

howdy heretics.........how goes the war?

[minor lance]

We've taken over 5% of Tertia, but loyalist dogs continue to nip at our heels.

[tidal dome]

Indeed. But if in normal chapters folks without armour and with sniper rifles are young green initiates, in space wolves those guys are the most experienced bunch who chose this loadout because they find it better suited for their style

[lyric abyss]

by nurgles blessings......we will make it 10%!

[tidal dome]

The green guys for them are those insane dudes with an axe and a jetpack. Oddly they have higher survival rate, because they have armour for once and a jet pack to get out of a pickle quickly

[minor lance]

ngl I know almost nothing about Space Wolves except uhhh...

• Vikings
• Probably heretical initiation process that everyone who knows about it is either too loyal or too scared to talk about
• Wolf
• Wolf
• Wolf

[tidal dome]

It's literally space vikings. Very drunk space vikings that drink flamer fuel mixed with methanol on a daily basis

[minor lance]

Also wolf.

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-wolves-wolf-pack-wolf-og-apex-wolf-pack-gif-25293092

[lyric abyss]

they do love a good drink, a fire and telling stories.........and fighting.......lots and lots of fighting

[tidal dome]

Right. Nobody knows where do they get all of those wolves. There aren't special zoo or menagerie transports for them. Some heretics say that sometimes initiation process goes very wrong. Very, very wrong. But not as wrong as some other chapter, because you don't end up with a screaming in agony mass of tentacles

[minor lance]

Thank you, giphy, for this live recording of a space wolf hijacking a stormboy rocket pack

[plush mason]

and then other stories show them as weird monks like all other space marines lol

[tidal dome]

Those stories are heretical. It's the only legion (still a legion, not a chapter) that openly wiped with the soup boys book

[lyric abyss]

I just love the confidence of the guys, like the watch-packs ready to take on a primarch

[plush mason]

yeah

[spark relic]

There are no wolves on Fenris is still my favourite line from Magnus

[plush mason]

its just funny how GW has the space wolves be both badass vikings in space and also monastic knights at the same time kekw. you are hard pressed to find 2 more contradictory warrior cultures

[tidal dome]

And their curse ain't that bad as other chapter's ones. In fact it's one of the much better ones.
If exposed to too much space magick, other chapters grow weird. Turn into vampires, outright desintegrate on the spot, turn into a weird mass of tentacles, immediately convert to chaos and do other things.

For the spess wolves though it's both better and worse. Better is because you still retain your mind and soul and a kind of arms to grab guns and fight.

Worse because you turn into a furry.

[plush mason]

wolven dont retain their minds iirc

[tidal dome]

Don't they? I thought they did

[plush mason]

they retain their loyalty but they more or less become feral beserkers

its kind of like the black rage in some sense

[tidal dome]

Right, but with Black Rage the guys go absolutely bananas on everyone around them after a day or two

From what I recall wulfen don't tend to do that. And even if they are becoming a bit feral and retarded, not to the level of turning on their brethren

[plush mason]

ye

the trade off is the physical mutations

[tidal dome]

Actually I don't remember what Ultramarines hijink is. Fists grow masochistic, Scars become even more addicted to speed than usual, Ravens also grow weird by mutation, I think. Blood angels are vampires. Dark Angels become psychotic.

Ah, I remembered. They grow plot armour

[crisp heath]

[plush mason]

the ultarmarines iirc literally have the most stable geneseed with like no major or noticeable mutations

[tidal dome]

Salamanders are kinda sad in this regard, they just become depressed.

[plush mason]

so yeah their geneseed is just plot armor

[rapid dock]

VULCAN LIVES-- aw no he's dead again

[plush mason]

thats a meme

[rapid dock]

that it is

[tidal dome]

Funny thing is that you can only kill someone like Vulcan with a thunder obsidian piece - which is just a bit of sand molten into a somewhat-icicle shape by a lightning strike, but nobody really remembers that in universe.

Now let's remember that Vulcan is one of a few primarchs in physical posession of a helmet that he sometimes puts on. And you need to stab him with a brittle piece of glass. I think this means he is practically unkillable

[rapid dock]

He's also functionally unkillable since he's a Perpetual, like the Emperor.

[tidal dome]

I mean, unlike the Emperor, who's weakness apparently was being whacked repeatedly with a morningstar, Vulcan outright disintegrated a few times and came back after that without a problem

[rapid dock]

vulkan is a chad

[plush mason]

ummm. is that even possible? afaik lighting cant make obsidian

[tidal dome]

Disintegrates
Comes back afterwards
Refuses to clarify, goes to do some other stupid shit

[tidal dome]

It's just a fancy name, it's literally a very bad sand icicle

[plush mason]

knowing GW it some strange ritual thing

[rapid dock]

or it could just be cool sounding so they put it in their game

[plush mason]

yeah

[rapid dock]

not everything in warhammer 40k has to be factually accurate

[plush mason]

ofc

[tidal dome]

Although it does make sense. Especially in their current high tech. If you are fighting some godlike entity with lasers and power armour, the last thing that comes to mind "I should stab him with that shitty sand icicle I found"

[plush mason]

ye

[minor lance]

I thought their thing was the whole... Having a terrifying appearance. They don't have anything like the black rage iirc

[tidal dome]

They are nowhere terrifying. Just you know. Tanned. A bit too much.

No fangs, no claw-like nails, no tentacles. Just weird color

And they all turn that weird color when exposed to radiation.

[plush mason]

and red eyes

[minor lance]

Their description is that their skin is darker than charcoal, making their facial expressions hard to tell, but with burning red eyes that are similar in hue to that of a daemon. They're also the physically largest.

[plush mason]

ye

[rapid dock]

Besides that, they're gentle giants

I imagine they get sad because they value humanity

[minor lance]

Yeah, it's the whole "They are the kindest of the SM's, but they are the most terrifying to those they care the most for"

[rapid dock]

They're the only space marine chapter in which aspirants and even full marines are allowed to keep in contact with their family

[tidal dome]

But then again, all spacemarines do that when exposed to harsh conditions of sort. So a bunch of spacemarines exposed to a nuclear blast would look absolutely the same for a week or so

[rapid dock]

to be fair Vulkan is pretty scary (pov you're an eldar child)

[plush mason]

also objectively the most racist of the space marines and hate all non humans with a passion that borders on the insane so.

[rapid dock]

yeah but they're not total cold unfeeling killing machines

[minor lance]

Oh right, I forgot the ashen hue. Though I guess that's part of the charcoal

[tidal dome]

Well. Fire purifies. And their mothers taught them to keep things clean

[minor lance]

My point was more than the Salamanders don't have a geneseed flaw like the Black Rage or whatever happens to the space furries

[rapid dock]

they're as gentle as Space Marines can get

[plush mason]

black rage isnt a geneseed flaw btw

its a psykic curse

[minor lance]

They seem to view it differently, since it's a time of solemnity when they- ahhhh

I thought it was to- OH NO

YOU'RE RIGHT

[rapid dock]

some people say salamanders have slower reaction speeds than other space marine chapters and that might be a geneseed flaw

[plush mason]

the red thirst is their geneseed flaw

[minor lance]

Yep!

I always mix them up

[rapid dock]

but other than that the Salamanders got off pretty good on the geneseed end of things

[minor lance]

The flaw is meant to be a melancholic tragedy.

[tidal dome]

See, Blood Angels won a lottery, they have not just one flaw but two completely unrelated ones

[plush mason]

ye

[tidal dome]

One of which they got after their chief who looked like a space vampire angel got flattened with a mace

[plush mason]

rip hawk boi

[minor lance]

They are the kindest of the SMs and care the most for humans individually. They see honour and value i nindividual humans. A Salamander will sacrifice themself for a family desperately trying to escape. But at the same time, they are the most physically terrifying and imposing of every loyalist chapter. Citizens of the imperium are genuinely heavily intimidated by their appearance because ashen skin + burning red eyes is attributed to the daemonic. Also they have a habit of setting themself on fire.

The setting themself on fire bit is not ideal for PR

[plush mason]

looks at the SOB which sometimes have torches/braziers on their heads

[minor lance]

Ok but they're not actually on fire

Also, to be fair

SoB are actually terrifying

[plush mason]

nor do they care about PR

[minor lance]

"They care a lot about PR, actually.

They invest a huge amount into bolter rounds.

[plush mason]

lol

[minor lance]

And they then invest those bolter rounds into anyone that dislikes them.

It does wonders for public image.

[rapid dock]

[insert joke about sororitas having boob armor and how that's correlated with pr here]

[tired umbra]

Just pull up with a few Penitent Engines in tow. That usually stops anyone from trying anything stupid.

[plush mason]

i could. but my mind isnt in the gutter, for now

[tidal dome]

Sororitsas are a children of creative interpretation of law.

After some infighting broke out it was specifically forbidden for Church to have "Any sort of armed men"

[tired umbra]

"Some infighting."

[tidal dome]

And rather than treating it by the spirit "No armed humans" - they went with all girl army

[rapid dock]

Also weren't they originally named the Brides of the Emperor

[rapid dock]

yeah Goge Vandire was kind of nutty

[tidal dome]

I think those are separate... at least I think

[rapid dock]

he had a screw loose. he was a little peculiar

[plush mason]

"some infighting" is the biggest understatement that can be said about the age of apostate lol

[minor lance]

Brides of the Emperor are what the SoB used to be

[rapid dock]

no didn't Goge Vandire bring them into the church specifically after seeing the 'any sort of armed men' rule and then immediately name them the Brides of the Emperor

Bro was YEARNING

alls I'm going to say

[plush mason]

iirc Goge named them that after he tricked them into serving him

[rapid dock]

yep

[tidal dome]

Wonder how other folks didn't say to him "Fuck! NO! You are specifically ordered not to, you twat"

Rather than that, they just went with it

"Haha, armoured tiddies"

[plush mason]

also the "men under arms" thing came after the age of apostate

[rapid dock]

because he was the absolute power and if they went against him he could call them a heretic and have them executed

and no one would question because they too would be executed

[minor lance]

Also, yes, the SoB are pulling a Macbeth

[plush mason]

the fernus templar or something like that was the army of the church before the age of apostate happened

[tidal dome]

Well, spacemarines were still a thing, as well as imperial guard which is a separate beast and space fleets under their own command... power balance in Imperium is weird

[rapid dock]

He was also the head of the Administratum, which is the Imperium's government as a whole

[tidal dome]

Not counting for Mechanicus who are 50% (actually far more than 50) of all those organisations mentioned above

[rapid dock]

state and religion were a singular thing under him and suddenly HIS religion became a lot more about serving HIMself

[rapid dock]

mechanicus is a separate entity

They keep the lights on but they're not employed agents of the state

they don't really care as long as they can still do whatever they want

[plush mason]

the mechanicus is a state within a state

[tidal dome]

Sounds about right, to be honest