40k-lore-chat

[mossy mortar]

The sensei are supposed to he immortal snd direct descendants of the emperor

[minor lance]

Like, reknowned GKs can solo greater daemons.

[celest dome]

I mean:

• Highly religious
• Actually has act of faith
• Powered by a chosen god
• Depend on personal skill more than on technology

[celest dome]

Living Saints are known to take on Greater Daemon too ?

The SoB have Celestine, Sabbath and a few other

[atomic pelican]

Yeah but Living Saints aren't just "Sisters of Battle"

[arctic talon]

Living saints are

like

yeah

[minor lance]

In that sense, sure. But as far as power level goes, they're closer to SMs. The average unnamed GK can dunk on horrible monsters solo, named ones can perform inhuman feats. They also live for centuries at minimum.

[arctic talon]

Living Saints are far beyond any space marine

[minor lance]

Yeah but GKs don't appear out of literally nowhere and aren't being powered by raw magic, like the Green Knight (who would be considered a living saint)
E: GKs are being powered by raw magic in the sense of their powers, but not like... They aren't literally beings of pure magic.

[woven ermine]

why did so little perpetuals trust in the emperors vision? only malcador stayed with him 😦

[storm jungle]

Because hes a fascist tyrant

among like, so many other things

[minor lance]

Pretty shit dad, too.

[storm jungle]

that too yep

[woven ermine]

ye but the alternative is to get enslaved by hellspawn

[storm jungle]

Its really not.

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

Humanity was more or so faring pretty much the same on their own places

the Imperium made things worse for everyone

[woven ermine]

but it united humanity

[storm jungle]

It didn't

[minor lance]

Colonialism bad.

[woven ermine]

if it wasnt united the worlds would fall one by one

[storm jungle]

The Imperium isnt united tho

they kill each other daily for anything and everything

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

Its literally us rn

but on a galactic scale

[minor lance]

Isn't it basically a bunch of uhhh... What's the term. Something-states.

[arctic talon]

The Imperium is still fractured as hell

despite being "unified"

They're fudal states yes

[minor lance]

That's the one

Feudal states

[arctic talon]

The Imperium is a giant feudalistic authoritarian hellscape

[celest dome]

Hey, we're much better than the IoM

[arctic talon]

Also unironicially yeah

[celest dome]

We're not great but still

[woven ermine]

how many 'partitions' of the imperium are there?

[arctic talon]

Major ones

or minor ones

[abstract linden]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13935570

[woven ermine]

haha no idea major i guess

[arctic talon]

5 Major Segmentums

all split up into sub segmentums

[celest dome]

Nah, the IoM is much worse on average than current earth

[arctic talon]

which are split up into sectors

The segmentums are

Segmentum Solar
Segmentum Ultima
Segmentum Tempestus
Segmentum Obscurus
Segmentum Pacificus

[minor lance]

Just join the necrons and pray you get lucky with the ones that don't wanna destroy organics

[arctic talon]

All of them have their own issues

all of them hate each other

And then within segmentums

the subsegmentums hate each other

[celest dome]

Bold of you to think I still have organics

[arctic talon]

and within the subsegmentum

ect.

[woven ermine]

does this change at all after guillimans return? or has he not had the time to try to mend things yet?

[storm jungle]

He has tried

the thing is the Imperium is as shithole

and men in power dont want it to be fixed

[celest dome]

And it's getting wose

[arctic talon]

He has tried

unfortunately the imperium is super fucked up

[minor lance]

The best part is if he really, really tried he'd be branded as a heretic and killed. Because he bears the burden of Horus, and always will.

[arctic talon]

and its currently in the state of

[storm jungle]

Its about the same as how we could all be using a better power-source than oil but the moment you find a better source they will have you assassinated because you are a threat to their business

[arctic talon]

it functions

The Imperium "functions"

under its current conditions

[summer niche]

Guillimans too good for the imperium

[abstract linden]

I don't wanna be negative on this the eve of darktide so ima not go into world things 😅

[summer niche]

they don't deserve him

[arctic talon]

The High Lords Of Terra as incompetent as they seem

are part of the glue that holds the imperium together

[woven ermine]

are the high lords still a thing? thought they rebelled against guilliman and got shutdown by everyone else on terra

[arctic talon]

No

That was a few of em

the high lords still exist

The ones who rebelled were replaced

[woven ermine]

as they should be, the emperor protects

[arctic talon]

but yeah the Imperium barely functions

but is functional enough to stand

[celest dome]

The Emperor is a Net Loss for Mankind

[woven ermine]

hmm maybe more butchers nails could fix the situation

but no emperor = no astronomicon = no warp travel

[arctic talon]

Not necisarily true

[storm jungle]

The Imperium basicaly only functions because miniatures need to be sold

[arctic talon]

someone would have figured out somthing

I.E the Pharos Beacon

[minor lance]

To be fair

[woven ermine]

didnt the pharos thingie summon the tyranids?

[arctic talon]

Which G-man Made

[minor lance]

No warp travel seems ideal.

[atomic pelican]

Maybe, perhaps, just maybe it's worth it to be slower if it means not using Hell as a transport method

[arctic talon]

Unknown but there's a good chance

but the pharos beacon

only attracted the nids

[minor lance]

Warp travel is like travelling by a uni-student-designed rocket

[arctic talon]

because IT FUCKING BLEW UP

[minor lance]

with a parachute

[arctic talon]

And honestly

the same would prolly happen

if the astronomicon blew up

[woven ermine]

u think the emperor would be reborn if he dies?

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[minor lance]

Probably will become a god

[arctic talon]

but that would also prolly make Terra become

a second eye of terror lol

[minor lance]

That's what the current narrative seems to be shaping towards

[arctic talon]

due to the fact big E is still holding

the webway section

filled with daemons and warp energy closed

[minor lance]

I can see a The Fall of Terra book, tbh

[woven ermine]

didnt vulcan put a protocol to nuke terra if the golden throne stops working?

[arctic talon]

Yes

but there's no guarantee it'll go off

before theres a new eye of terror

smackdab in Sol

[woven ermine]

mechanicus might want to relocate their capital then

[arctic talon]

The Mechanicus isn't even that centralized

its a front they put up

for more political strength

the Admech is even more fucked up then the imperium

[minor lance]

Here's my take: Fall of Terra. Big E dies, literally becomes a god., Mars gets eaten by the Void Dragon and spat out elsewhere to keep it safe. Mars becomes its own sector nation, and the Imperium starts massive infighting. Well, even more infighty.

[arctic talon]

in terms of being self centered and like

well

infighting

[storm jungle]

also people forget like,

the moment the imperium is fucked

[arctic talon]

There's a forgeworld

[storm jungle]

a good majority of the admech is gonna bail

[arctic talon]

that has all its fleets

stalked by a martian fleet

because they have an unhealthy tendancy to hoard stuff

which Mars does

[minor lance]

The Admech is slightly more likeable than the Imperium because they worship the COOL dieties. Like the C'tan. Who are totes good I swear just lemme have a soul sippy

[arctic talon]

And Mars wants the data and tech they retrieve

[abstract linden]

havent they already got a foot out the door?

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

YEP

Like during the war of the beast

[arctic talon]

The Admech is

pretty prepared to peace out

instantly lol

[storm jungle]

they almost teleported the entirety of mars away

but the war was won so they were like

"Lmao sorry guys it was just a prank"

[arctic talon]

The Admech is like

more then capable of lasting for a bit on its own

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

especially since some worlds are reliant on the admech

[minor lance]

'some'

[arctic talon]

so they might go with the admech

Okay rather

forgeworlds are their main customers

of food

and raw materials

[woven ermine]

is the mechanicus doing any r&d or only uncovering tech from the past?

[arctic talon]

theres like 3 planets in the Agripina sector alone dedicated to producing food

The Mechanicus has always done R&D

its just very hush hush

and well a religous clusterfuck as well

any sort of creation recovered or created

is subject to political and religous debate

[minor lance]

There's R&D but the mechanicus is like... Actively hunting itself. It's a massively corrupt and hypocritical organisation with just as much infighting as the imperium itself

[arctic talon]

Like

the admech

[celest dome]

Bit iffy, some do, some don't

Some do but tell they just found old stuff and thing like that

[arctic talon]

made a new type of paint

it took 300 years

to adopt it

and caused 4 civil wars

And that was considered a fast adoption

along with the fact some things aren't even invention

like putting a lasgun in a dif casing

you've changed pretty much nothing but it could be considered a new lasgun mark

[minor lance]

I'd say join the angry dwarfs but they make the Imperium look welcoming to strangers

[arctic talon]

lol

[celest dome]

The Interex is the faction I'd have the most hope for

[mossy mortar]

Living saints are like chapter master level or above I think

[arctic talon]

prolly above

[celest dome]

As saviour of Mankind

[arctic talon]

Celestine managed to shank abbadon

[mossy mortar]

actually yeah above

[arctic talon]

which I think

1 person since he's been juiced up on chaos

[dusk patrol]

The Interex got destroyed by a stupid dagger they left hanging around a museum

[arctic talon]

has managed to hit him

in melee combat

[dusk patrol]

I have no hope for them

[arctic talon]

before Celestine did it

[dusk patrol]

They had zero respect for how dangerous chaos was

[mossy mortar]

Let's be honest, none of Horus Heresy should count as canon

[arctic talon]

and then the Pylons turned on

and Celestine immediately lost a ton of her power

along with abbadon

[mossy mortar]

Horus Heresy should be considered an in-universe work of fiction

[arctic talon]

now big surprise but an astartes is stronger then a normal human being

[rapid dock]

Big Chad Cawl is like one of the only magos publicly doing any RnD

[mossy mortar]

ugh

[arctic talon]

Wouldn't even say pubically

he prolly has had this stuff made for a while

he just has a big excuse of being old as shit

he's had like

[rapid dock]

he's been around since the horus heresy hasn't he

[arctic talon]

Over 10,000 years of expierence lol

and yes

he has been around since the horus heresy

and he's subsumed the brains of people from before it

[rapid dock]

damn he must be hungry

[arctic talon]

and also regarding Primaris

he didn't do that much like development on them

he had all the data from Corax and the Selenar gene cults

[thorny turtle]

Creed managed to get a hit on abbadon

[arctic talon]

and The Emperors research notes

[arctic talon]

Pre fall of cadia

Creed got a hit in after celestine fucking shanked him

still very impressive

from Creed

[rapid dock]

creed is a chad

rip creed he was a real one

[thorny turtle]

He isnt dead

He is now infinite :3

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rapid dock]

can we pour one out for all the cool commissars and astra militarum characters that have gone MIA for no reason

(creed could have beat the fuck out of trazyn)

(with his bare hands)

[thorny turtle]

No one can beat that little kleptomaniac goblin

[rapid dock]

rip creed rip yarrick rip sly marbo

can we PLEASE keep one. can we PLASE keep one cool astra militarum character

[thorny turtle]

Yarrick isnt dead unless the orks think he's dead

He's just pulling an alpharius on us

[rapid dock]

lmao

Ciaphas Cain is next

MARK MY WORDS

[celest dome]

Isn't he already dead ?

[rapid dock]

..is he?

[woven ermine]

is there any chance of some traitor primarch redeeming themselves and becoming loyal again?

[rapid dock]

SHIT they got him already

[rapid dock]

No. They're all daemon princes or dead now

[woven ermine]

is that an issue? corvus is something demonic but still loyal?

[celest dome]

Even Perturabo ?

[rapid dock]

Perturabo might be the closest we have to a traitor primarch who can become loyal again

[mossy mortar]

wait they kliled marbo too??

[woven ermine]

is perturabo going to die from the fulgrim wound?

[rapid dock]

but all the other ones, Angron, Magnus, Mortarian, Fulgrim, Curze, they're all too far gone (or dead)

[woven ermine]

also, mortarion might be a good conversion candidate

wasnt he kinda on the fence before typhus fucking everything up?

[rapid dock]

yeah Perturabo is eventually going to die, he's in his own little golden throne

[woven ermine]

sadge

❤️ perty

[rapid dock]

Yeah but Mortarian also hates the Emperor as much as he hates Nurgle so I wouldn't count on him going back

an inferiority complex I think

[exotic mica]

Yeah Mortarion is a unique animal

[mossy mortar]

mortarian is jsut a crotchety moron

[exotic mica]

He wanted his revenge long ago and the emperor stole it

[rapid dock]

aye

[exotic mica]

But he hates Nurgle for what happened to his legion

[celest dome]

Mortarion making his own faction under the tutelage of Isha would be quite awesome

[rapid dock]

He was going to liberate his planet from cruel xenos whom enslaved him and the Emperor just showed up on the day of and was like "I got this bro"

and Mortarion has since always hated him

[woven ermine]

the life guard

[arctic talon]

Sly marbo is alive

[thorny turtle]

Mort was going to die before he ever made it and the emp needed to flex on that fool

[exotic mica]

Yeah, basically this. Even though Mortarion was going to die, he’d rather of died.

[rapid dock]

I thought they haven't written about him in a while?

[arctic talon]

He’s alive

He got written about in 8th

[rapid dock]

when GW ignores a character it's a clear sign they're gonna-- oh shit no way

SLY MARBO LIVES

[arctic talon]

He’s in the new dex

And he’s had a mini

For a while lol

[mossy mortar]

nah marbo has been in and out of teh rules for a while

[woven ermine]

perty should get in touch with the dark mechanicum they could prob do wonders together

[rapid dock]

I haven't kept much in date with the codexes and the actual game rules

[rapid dock]

god DAMN my boy

[mossy mortar]

guy's not someone who gets along with others

[arctic talon]

Sly marbo has been in the rules since 8th again

He got removed back in 5th

Put back in during 8th

He’s still in the game during 9th

Pask lore wise is MIA after fighting the Tau

[odd palm]

Depends on who it is

[arctic talon]

So imo Pask might turn up again in the lore

[minor lance]

I demand Yarrick be reborn by Ork energy

[arctic talon]

He might not even be dead

I’m ready for a bait and switch lol

[minor lance]

I demand Yarrick die then be reborn by Ork energy

[mossy mortar]

Do they at least have a new set of guard characters

or are they killing off the old ones and not replacing them with anything

[rapid dock]

but yeah all the traitor primarchs who aren't Konrad Curze or Alpharius Omegon are all daemon princes, either of their respective color or of chaos undivided

[arctic talon]

They got new ones

[rapid dock]

(angron likes red and fulgrim likes PORPLE)

[arctic talon]

New Lord Solar

[celest dome]

ORKEPIAL SAINT THAT WAT HE IS

[arctic talon]

And Creed is confirmed to have fucked

[minor lance]

Honestly, yeah, I'll take it

[arctic talon]

Kell was never used on the tabletop unfortunately

As cool as he was

[minor lance]

I love that the Orks actually love Yarrick while also 'fearing' him, as much as an ork is capable of fear

[arctic talon]

Yarrick is their greatest foe

And thus their best friend

[woven ermine]

ayo when the tyranids gonna eat primarch dna tho

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/lt4ptirjus691.jpg?auto=webp&s=a0f4ff84f16d512ac9b38634c599766f911cf225

[minor lance]

'E'S AN 'UMIE THAT PUTS UP A ROIGHT PROPPAH SCRAB. EVEN KRUMPED OL WARBOSS ARMRIPPAH! 'E'D BE A PRE'Y GOOD GIT, 'E WUD.

[arctic talon]

Creed had a child

[odd palm]

Oh they can feel fear.
Should have seen the group of Orks screaming for their lives as they failed to run away from an extremely enraged Jaghatai

[minor lance]

She looks like she would snap my arm if I coughted during a moment of silence.

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[minor lance]

Yep, that's Creed's kid

[arctic talon]

Only downside is

No cigar

SMH

[odd palm]

I mean, Ursula isn’t picking up a bad habit

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[odd palm]

Hopefully picking up the good ones of being an exceptional commander

[arctic talon]

But the cigar is an iconic part of creed

[minor lance]

While cigars are bad for you and yadda yadda yadda

[arctic talon]

Also she prolly spent like 0 time

[minor lance]

They look cool.

[arctic talon]

With creed

[abstract linden]

looks like trunchbull from matilda 0.o

[odd palm]

Cigar? Funny way of saying cope stick, smh

[arctic talon]

I highly doubt she’s in her position via nepotism

Due to how the Cadians operate

[odd palm]

True, but you never know. Not all Cadian senior officers are good

This is the imperium

[arctic talon]

Fair enough lol

But odds are she turned out okay

[odd palm]

Indeed

[honest heron]

would a tamagotchi be considered an "Abhorrent Intelligence" by the imperium or adeptus mechanicus?

[odd palm]

XD

Likely not due to its very limited function

[arctic talon]

Nah

[abstract linden]

only if it got lost down the back of a couch and wouldnt stop making noise

[arctic talon]

It’s a toy

An abominable intelligence is sapient and sentient

A tamogachi is neither

[celest dome]

No, it's a cogitator

[minor lance]

Yes. Because it would inspire emotion in them, meaning that it was sapient without a soul. No machine could truly inspire such pitiable afflictions of the flesh, were it not already heretical in nature,.

[rapid dock]

No, a Tamagotchi would not be an abominable intelligence because it is not sentient

but it instead is a machine spirit

and it requires the proper rites of maintenance

[abstract linden]

^ honestly that makes most sense

[tight crater]

feeding your tamagotchi isn't a rite of maintenance

[rapid dock]

i pour sacred oils onto it until it isnt thirsty anymore

[plush mason]

did they really name her "Bear"

[rapid dock]

ursula is also just a name lmao

[plush mason]

i know

[minor lance]

Most names have meanings

[plush mason]

unless you are have an English name

[rapid dock]

but yeah bear creed would work

[minor lance]

Nope, those do too

[celest dome]

Isn't one of the European leader named Ursula ?

[rapid dock]

Hey man even english names have meaning

stolen from gaelic and scottish or hebrew for more biblical names

[minor lance]

Taken fro mevery language because it's a bastard language in its own right

[plush mason]

afaik its normally just the last name that has any form of meaning in english

[minor lance]

This is incorrect

[rapid dock]

Like John originates from Johanan, meaning 'Yahweh has been gracious' in Hebrew

[minor lance]

Many English names are of Hebrew / biblical original

Matthew, for example, means "Gift from God" or James means "Supplanter of the holy ghost"

[rapid dock]

but english is a bastard language so it takes a little bit from everything

[plush mason]

is that why there is like 4 different versions of the last name Johnson which means son of John

[rapid dock]

yeah

[minor lance]

Richard is "Strong in rule" and hails from germanic.

etc etc

[rapid dock]

first and last names have meaning

[plush mason]

i doubt mine does

[minor lance]

I mean, last names kinda... Ehhhh

Last names get pretty bastardized, funnily

[rapid dock]

idk look it up you'd be surprised

[minor lance]

My last name is functionally meaningless because it was born of a misspelling during the War of the Roses

[plush mason]

my last name is just a version of johnson so it means son of john

even tho afaik there is not a single john in any of my family history lol

[rapid dock]

My last name is functionally meaningless as well but I think it's of germanic origin

[minor lance]

yeah, funnily, last names are less likely to have meaning

Sicne they were just descriptors or identifiers

[rapid dock]

There's some meaning but it's been bungled with time

[minor lance]

Usually a job, your place of origin, or your father

[plush mason]

omfg. my first name is literally just a derivative of "tailor" lol that is the most saxon shit ever

[minor lance]

See, there ya go

[rapid dock]

It's not a complex meaning but it is a meaning

[plush mason]

now a days it has lost all meaning

then so have most other words

[rapid dock]

true + real

[plush mason]

but yeah the reason i said they named her bear is the name ursin for bears comes from the myth of ursala iirc

and it clearly fits as she is a bear of a women just like her father was a bear of a man

[rapid dock]

aye

his name is Ursarkar so

It fits

[plush mason]

his name was Ursarkar Greed?

is that even an actual name or did they pull that out their asses like they did with Papamurf?

[rapid dock]

They probably pulled it out of their asses

[plush mason]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

Ursakar Creed

But yeah

I mean it’s sci fi, as far as made up names go

40k does pretty good mostly

Imo

[plush mason]

yeah

Papa Rowboat is an outlier as far as the original names go

the rest are pretty good

[dusk patrol]

Roboute Guilliman is a pretty decent sci fi name imo

[minor lance]

Lion El'Johnson.

[plush mason]

its a bitch to spell or say

[dusk patrol]

People make the funni name versions but like it’s fine mostly

Lorgar Aurelian works fine

Horus Lupercal

[plush mason]

yeah all those are easy to say

[dusk patrol]

Ferrus Manus

[mossy mortar]

It's meant to sound vaguely Frankish i think

[dusk patrol]

It’s not hard to say once you’ve heard it

Robu tay

[somber dust]

Has the test opend？

[plush mason]

no

[minor lance]

Yes you're just in time!

[plush mason]

10am pst tomorrow

[somber dust]

really？

yeah！

[minor lance]

Quickly, go somewhere that's not the lore chat on this Discord, like Steam, and play now!

[mossy mortar]

Ferrus Manus could just be an epithet that overtook his real name

[plush mason]

i hope it is

imagine being named Iron Hands when you dont yet have hands of metal lol

[mossy mortar]

Dunno sounds like some fated shit

[plush mason]

could have been

[mossy mortar]

Or his foster parents thought they were being clever by naming him in a long-dead ancient tongue... only to find out that the new Imperium adopted that tongue as its formal language

[plush mason]

which should have happened with Guilliman imo

[mossy mortar]

Or his name phonetically sounds like iron hands and got mistranslated

[plush mason]

that too

[mossy mortar]

I mean Guilliman could originally had a more latin name that got frankified as vulgate gothic of Macragge changed

[plush mason]

true

but that would mean he would have been greeted and called something different when big e and the imperium first arrived

which afaik he wasnt

speaking of the primarch's adopted cultures. does the Russ tribe of fenris still exist?

[mossy mortar]

We don't know what they said

Horus Heresy book series has so many anachronisms it's best to just assume it's an in-universe book

[rustic spruce]

Are the eldar gods the same type of warp entity as the chaos gods?

[mossy mortar]

Unclear but maybe

Maybe not the same, they may be formal constructs

Created by the old ones, or by the ancient eldar

[lofty sequoia]

absolutely not

[plush mason]

so is there a lore reason given for why the dark angels switched from black and red to green and white for their colors?

i know the deathwing have a lore reason for why they wear pure white armor so i was wondering if the rest of the chapter got the same treatment

[odd palm]

Iirc it’s the same colour green as was common on Caliban. To remember both the lose of their planet and the treachery of the Fallen

[plush mason]

that was one of my theories on why lol

another one was that the fallen likely still have the OG colors so it was done to distance themselves from them

[patent osprey]

They still have them, they just have zero libido due to the indoctrination and general lack of interest in engaging such activities.

[plush mason]

yeah

[blissful merlin]

hmmmm, but if you spike em with viagra

wait

slanesh tainted marines

...

[plush mason]

it is still such a random question and idk why so many in the 40k fandom care to ask it

[blissful merlin]

Fulgrim's legion

what they called

[plush mason]

the emperor's children

[patent osprey]

That would be funny.

[blissful merlin]

Right Emperor's children, they've fallen to slanesh

surely they get woodies now

so they take over a planet

they doing R and P?

[arctic talon]

Bro they gather up humans to turn them into drugs lol

Like a big weird meat slurry

[final seal]

is our eviscerator a marine sized chainsword?

[arctic talon]

And they do some shit to it to process it

[arctic talon]

It’s an evicetator

For humans

It’s bigger then a marines chainsword

[storm jungle]

Don't lol

Also can you not.

[blissful merlin]

Yo i'm trying to do research for my fanfic over here

[storm jungle]

I'm serious.

[final seal]

it just look a wee bit longer 🤏than the chainsword

thought it would be like the one sister repentia used

[arctic talon]

Prolly gameplay restrictions

It is way bigger in lore

[blissful merlin]

Evicerators are double edged

chainswords are shielded on one side

to prevent the user for chopping themselves

I'm still unsure how the Veteran can wield a Godwyn Pattern bolter

Godwyns are mean for power armor assisted folks aint it?

[storm jungle]

Any human can use a boltgun

Its been that way since rogue trader

[arctic talon]

^

Also I’m pretty sure it’s a godwyn deaz in game

[final seal]

yea ones sisters of battle use

[blissful merlin]

Fair play

Although what really impressed me wasn't the bolter being included

But the different patterns of lasgun

I saw that and instantly knew these devs respect the source material

It would of been so easy for them to just have a cookie cutter lasgun with different stats

[frosty hearth]

How is that the veteran can use the bolter?

[final seal]

ditto, but the bayonet special attack seems to be a slash only instead of stab-stab or some combo

[frosty hearth]

Isn't it supposed to be illegal to be used by anything but an astartes?

[uneven temple]

it's never been illegal for others to use bolters, just impractical to use Astartes bolters since it'd mess you up

otherwise IG/Schola Progenium/SoB would be doing something illegal lol

[arctic talon]

No

[frosty hearth]

I just read it on the official wikia

They are genetically coded to be only wielded by astartes

[uneven temple]

link

[woven ermine]

sadge for sisters of silence after the horus heresy

[uneven temple]

well, they made a good showing in Watchers of the Throne, and a bit in Dawn of Fire

they're comin back, slowly

[frosty hearth]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Boltgun

[woven ermine]

but they got gutted a bit bc the lords of terra didnt like them and emperor couldnt protect them anymore right?

ngl sisters of silence are more interesting to me than sisters of battle :\

[uneven temple]

well...the ecclesiarchy didn't like them. so they went after them

[woven ermine]

😢

[plush mason]

there is no official wiki for 40k lol

[arctic talon]

^

[plush mason]

all the wikis for 40k are fan owned and operated

[uneven temple]

the entire page details different marks of bolters and how some select few have genetic ID tech built in. nowhere does it say that bolters overall are restricted to astartes. in fact it specifically calls out SoB , as well as detailing boltguns used by other Imperial factions

so idk why you read that page and then decided that bolters were blanket illegal

[final spruce]

What about Commissars and their iconic bolt pistol ?

[arctic talon]

Those are certain varients

That are genelocked

Not all bolters are gene locked

[woven ermine]

the imperium version of da orkz tech not working if non-orkz try to use it

[arctic talon]

And non astartes can use bolters

[final spruce]

Also yeah, bolters are used more or less commonly by the guards but they are usually locked behind weapon specialists that trained to use them or officers that are "more important" and as such are more "deserving"

[arctic talon]

For one

Comissars

[uneven temple]

they're used by specific units in the guard but overall they'd prefer autoguns/lasguns, just easier to equip the masses with em

[woven ermine]

is it possible to drain a world completely of resources? what happens to it in that case?

[cinder shore]

on the wiki under section 1.4

Other Boltguns used by Imperial or human factions and organisations
Boltguns usable by mere "mortals" come in various patterns, though they still follow the same basic design philosophy. Despite the fact that they pale in comparison to their larger cousins, their power is still such that they can easily cut a man in two. Boltguns meant for the Imperial Guard are supplied by the Departmento Munitorum.

[arctic talon]

The planet is abandoned

Also the veteran guardsmen killteam sprue comes with a bolter on it @frosty hearth

Because the confident veteran has the option to use it

[cinder shore]

Cawl has tech hes trying to use to bring back dead planets

[woven ermine]

does that mean that, even if nothing destroys the imperium, eventually the imperium will destroy itself by running out of resources?

[final spruce]

They are either kept because they have a good tactical place, in those cases they might change roles, like solely becoming a hive world or a factory. If they had no real value apart from that they will be abandoned

[arctic talon]

Yep

[frosty hearth]

It's a different bolter then.

A smaller one, usable by humans.

[arctic talon]

I mean

The standard godwyn pattern

Isn’t gene locked

[woven ermine]

the elden ring god godwyn?

[arctic talon]

That’s the standard astartes bolter

Same spelling

[final spruce]

Yes, the whole premise of the Imperium is thats its killing itself , is slowly dying and the only way it manages to "maintain" itself is through aggressive expansionism and miniature sales

[storm jungle]

The

gun

isnt

gene

locked

Gun is gun.

People can use it

Pull the trigger

pew pew pew

[final spruce]

[storm jungle]

thats it

[woven ermine]

🔫

[final spruce]

How do you reload it though ?

Ogryn question

[storm jungle]

[woven ermine]

by praying

[storm jungle]

Also like, this is like saying:

[uneven temple]

ogryn no need reload, ogryn throw gun at enemy after no shoot

[final spruce]

[storm jungle]

"American soldiers cant use an AK, its a russian weapon"

[arctic talon]

Average ogryn mindset

[storm jungle]

[uneven temple]

Chaddest of mindsets

[woven ermine]

ogryn is actually tediore from borderlands

[copper cliff]

Tech heresy

[woven ermine]

ayo but perturabo > rogal dorn

[arctic talon]

It’s only tech heresy if the enginseer reports it

[storm jungle]

also before I forget

one of the newest guard minis literally has a guy with a boltgun

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

so the next time this chat pops up just post that

[uneven token]

post real squats

NOT leagues of Karmann

[woven ermine]

ye a boltgun but the guard couldnt handle the recoil of a proper bolter right?

[uneven token]

not real squats.

[thorny turtle]

Well, they could, they would just have really broken bones 🙂

[arctic talon]

They are lol

[crisp heath]

the goob squad

[arctic talon]

Those aren’t from the leagues of votaan

They’re from necromunda

[final spruce]

Some guards, if big enough can even handle the heavy bolter recoil, but yeah an astartes bolter has too much recoil to be fired COMFORTABLY by a guardsman, someone like a catachan though, no problem

[arctic talon]

Harker and Ripper Jackson kekw

[uneven token]

Votann =/= squats

[storm jungle]

Marine sized.

[woven ermine]

ayo catachan bein the actual new cadia dawg

[arctic talon]

The image I just posted is a squat lol

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99060105265_SergeantHarkerNEW01.jpg

[final spruce]

Brag ripping heavy bolters from sponsors and firing away

[storm jungle]

the arm-break thing hasnt been relevant in a decade.

[arctic talon]

Harker is

Insane lol

[storm jungle]

Harker is

Diet Rambo

[dusk patrol]

Harker is a smart Ogryn

[storm jungle]

Sly Marbo meanwhile is Vegetarian Rambo

[uneven token]

thats sly marbo

[final spruce]

The only Astartes arm breaking we had was an inquisitor using a chaplain Crozius

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Same thing. All Catachan look the same.

[dusk patrol]

"Back home, I once fancied me a pair of Catachan Devil boots. Killed me half a dozen of the great ugly critters but never found a single one that wore any!"

[uneven token]

is the only tyranid model since 2014 aside from the parasite

💀

[arctic talon]

The iron head prospectors are squats

Lore wise

[dusk patrol]

These are the things he's referring to

Harker is fucking nuts

[arctic talon]

They lived since they were on munda

[storm jungle]

Post the shopping-bag strangler

[dusk patrol]

Also just to be clear, Astartes with power armor struggle to lug around heavy bolters the same way Harker does.

[arctic talon]

Harker is built different

[woven ermine]

did they really name two legions 'iron warriors' and 'iron hands'? damn dawg couldnt think of something else

[uneven token]

votann clones. i dont like the "squat" reboot

[dusk patrol]

He's what Tyler1 thinks he is

[storm jungle]

Old 40k was super uncreative, and still is

[arctic talon]

????

[uneven token]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-fainted-passed-out-catch-fall-gif-17040561

[arctic talon]

They’re literally just like the original squats lore wise

[storm jungle]

Also yeah pretty much

[dusk patrol]

I mean there's also

[arctic talon]

What are you on about

[dusk patrol]

Dark Angels

Blood Angels

[storm jungle]

dont forget all their successors

Angels Redemptors

Angels Extremis

Angels Sanguinius

[dusk patrol]

Be warned: The Dark Angels subreddit is not a 40k sub

[storm jungle]

Angels Excelsior

[dusk patrol]

I repeat

Not what you think

[arctic talon]

Also blood angel successors

[uneven token]

i dont like the votann as a whole for many reasons. i wish they stuck with pjc relateds aesthetics

this guy

NAILED squat look

[arctic talon]

That literally is

One of the iron head squats

[storm jungle]

Hes basically every generic bounty hunter on necromunda but with a dwarf beard

also like

the entire reason the squats got ignored for years was they had no identity

nor like, aesthetic

the designers admitted so themselves

[arctic talon]

All their identity

Was from epic lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

[arctic talon]

Base 40k squats

[storm jungle]

which is like

bikers

[arctic talon]

Were bland as fuck

[storm jungle]

Yep

im not the biggest fan of their new versions either but the old squats virtually had nothing

[arctic talon]

Epic squats were better then old squats

Necromunda squats are better then the votaan imo

[uneven token]

bruh

how do Biker gang dwarves in space NOT sound cool?

[final spruce]

They still don't as LoV wdym

[woven ermine]

anyone else find real funny how lore got updated with retroactive naming like 'land raiders' -> arkhan land, the astartes, etc

[arctic talon]

Because they didn’t look cool

[uneven token]

Biker aesthetic is AWESOME

[arctic talon]

Land raider was named after Land since 2nd edition

It isn’t retroactive

It’s always been that way

Anyone who says it isn’t

Is misinformed

[uneven token]

i think were not the same. because i got a different view on warhammer.

[copper cliff]

Yeah! It's always been stupid!

[uneven token]

to me. THIS is warhammer

[woven ermine]

hehe thats why its great

[uneven token]

THIS is my jam

[copper cliff]

Saturday morning cartoon warhammer

[woven ermine]

excuse me is that real?

[uneven token]

1980s metal album warhammrr

[uneven token]

its called Oldhammer

[copper cliff]

Boldhammer

[arctic talon]

Old warhammer

Was goofy as hell

Which isn’t a bad thing

[uneven token]

Yes.

and i love it.

[copper cliff]

Goofs and goffs

[uneven token]

I love the Bright and non serious tone

[copper cliff]

New 40k podcast

[uneven token]

while also being grim at the same time.

[woven ermine]

yo is there a land aeroplane, or a land submarine?

[arctic talon]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111011184159/warhammer40k/images/a/a9/RT-Human_Renegades.jpg

[uneven token]

call it something like "grimbright"

[copper cliff]

Beaky my beloved

[uneven token]

OG beakie boys back when they were glorified cops.

#realmarineshavebeaks

[woven ermine]

gotta home arkan doesnt find toyota otherwise we gonna get 'land land cruisers'

[uneven token]

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-the-rock-wwe-smell-gif-16277621

[woven ermine]

ayo im actually gonna play a cadian sharpshooter with purple eyes fuck it need to fulfil my power fantasy

[uneven token]

GW are total cowards

[arctic talon]

They really aren’t

[uneven token]

they make a retro FPS clone

and DONT use the old sculpts

[woven ermine]

are they, if they allowed daemonculaba? 😐

[uneven token]

as enemies?

[arctic talon]

The minis are from 5th edition I think

Or 4th

Since the minis the guy pulls out have the slot styled bases

[woven ermine]

does abadon still have one blackstone fortress?

[uneven token]

COWARDS! lemme mow down hordes of these stubby horrors

[copper cliff]

Me on the assembly line for cadian sharpshooter

[uneven token]

ill admit these look stupid but theyre so charming & campy

[woven ermine]

is fabius bile actually under chaos? didnt he very aggressively reject slaanesh?

[storm jungle]

He does but he is still a slave to chaos whether he likes it or not

[copper cliff]

Sounds like a true gamer

[storm jungle]

its kinda in the job description

[uneven temple]

it's a classic case of 'no i'm totally not in league with them' but.....bro have you seen what you been doing

[woven ermine]

to all chaos gods or just slaanesh?

[storm jungle]

Slaanesh mostly

but he does doctor stuff

[uneven token]

these are the best pink horrors

[woven ermine]

ay fabius might want to go chill with the dark eldar a bit, he kinda similar to the homunculi

[uneven token]

they fit the constantly shifting and changing nature so well.

[storm jungle]

He actually did

[woven ermine]

nice, how did it go

[storm jungle]

some haemonculi got so fascinated by him that they invited Bill to a tower made of flesh

He studied with them a bit

and then uh

[copper cliff]

Fabius Bill

[storm jungle]

stole their research and ran away

[woven ermine]

kekw classic bile

who else but bile

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

hes literally a cartoon villain and its great

has one of the best novel trilogies

[copper cliff]

The best characters in 40k are just variations of skeletor

[woven ermine]

when bile gonna attempt to clone the emperor

[wild shard]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-hello-chat-gif-20962675

[woven ermine]

since he likes cloning primarchs so much

[uneven token]

i miss oldcrons

[storm jungle]

Oldcrons sucked

Literally no character and a faceless legion with no homebrew possibilities

they absolutely deserved a remake

[uneven token]

exactly.

[storm jungle]

Thats bad for a tabletop game.

[uneven token]

its mysterious

[storm jungle]

They are still mysterious tho

the factions still fight the faceless legions

[uneven token]

not really

[storm jungle]

yeah really

[arctic talon]

Even Nids had more homebrew potential then old Necrons lol

[storm jungle]

they just got bosses now

[arctic talon]

Which is impressive

[woven ermine]

did the necrons wipe out all of the old ones?

[wild shard]

Necrons are crybabies though

[uneven token]

theyre jusr undead egyptians -cough cough space tomb kings-

[woven ermine]

or are some of them still alive

[storm jungle]

Almost all of them

[arctic talon]

Pretty much all of them

The rest got wiped out

[wild shard]

Waaaahhh our sun turns us to hotdogs wahhh

[arctic talon]

By the enslavers

[woven ermine]

sadge

[storm jungle]

Yeah they never say they hunted them down to extinction tho

for obvious plot reasons

but like the 99.9% are dead tho yeah

[wild shard]

Doesnt tarazan have an old one in cryo?

[uneven token]

they were the metallic version of the nids. being the faceless mysterious unknowable army.

[arctic talon]

Or rather we think the rest got wiped out

By the enslavers

[arctic talon]

No

He has the ossified husk of an enslaver

[woven ermine]

so none are alive in the 42nd millennium?

[uneven token]

having them just be space egyptians demystifies them.

[arctic talon]

None that we know of

[woven ermine]

sadge that could be cool to see

[storm jungle]

Yeah its left ambigious

[wild shard]

I think necrons are more associated with sumerians than egyptians

Egyptians are 1000 sons

[storm jungle]

THEY WERE ALWAYS SPACE EGYPTIANS

[arctic talon]

^lol this

They always had the pyramid asthetic and shit

[storm jungle]

*LOOK.

[arctic talon]

That’s an ankh

Lul

[woven ermine]

kekw

[wild shard]

But ziggarats arent egyptian

[arctic talon]

Isn’t that a chaos android

[storm jungle]

Was

[uneven token]

giving the faceless army a face is like saying the nids should have an origin.

[arctic talon]

Wait nvm

[storm jungle]

the chaos androids got turned into necrons for miniature reasons

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

then it got kinda stuck

[wild shard]

Nids do have an origin

[arctic talon]

The nids origin is from outside our galaxy

Lul

[woven ermine]

are there other hive minds out there?

[uneven token]

"nvm guys the nids were created by the old ones or mal-"

[wild shard]

Old one's crispy sock is their origin

[storm jungle]

Its not really the same thing either way. Nobody but the 1% wants to play a faceless army of nobody robots that are boringly enslaved to the C'tan and cannot do anything interesting.

[arctic talon]

Like tyranid ones?

Prolly not

Other hive minded races

Prolly

[storm jungle]

Its the same reason tyranids are bland af

[uneven token]

i find that disingenous to presumptuously assume such. i understand you may not like it, but that doesnt mean others dont.

[woven ermine]

they on that biomass grind

[wild shard]

Im confused. Are necroms still enslaved by ctan?

[uneven token]

40k is great as it has so many niches.

[storm jungle]

No.

[wild shard]

Ah ok

[storm jungle]

They pretty much killed them and enslaved the ones they got.

[arctic talon]

No

They shattered the c’tan

[wild shard]

Thats what i thought

[uneven token]

i may not like tau or chaos or the imperium but others do

and thats good for them

[arctic talon]

Tyranids have way more flavor then the Necrons

They both sorta occupied

[woven ermine]

hot take mars is enslaved by the ctan shard, they just not aware of it, doin its bidding

[arctic talon]

A similar archetype imo

[storm jungle]

Ah yes, varieties such as

my hive fleet does this

[wild shard]

The day games workshop introduces a new race of cat girls that use gundams

[arctic talon]

Lol

[copper cliff]

Felinids in the tau empire

[woven ermine]

the shard affecting mars is equivalent to the ring influence in lotr

[uneven token]

Tyranids are for "dinosaur kids" is a great way i had it told to me.

[arctic talon]

We’d get felinids before that

[uneven token]

theyre for people who like Jaws

[arctic talon]

Except mars was fine pre like age of strife

[woven ermine]

ay cant wait for tyranids to eat the felinids

[arctic talon]

The dragon of mars is somthing different

Potentially

[woven ermine]

isnt the dragon of mars a ctan shard?

[wild shard]

Dragon of mars is a ctan isnt it

[woven ermine]

a real big one?

[arctic talon]

No

[copper cliff]

tyranids eat felinids, become cat girl tyranids, take over universe.

[arctic talon]

It isn’t known what it is

The only person to have interacted with the dragon of mars

[uneven token]

like the ones on cano-

[arctic talon]

Learned a terrible truth from it

[wild shard]

Ive always suspected that dragon of mars is actually an ai

[arctic talon]

And she went mildly insane

[wild shard]

Thay escaped the dark age of tech

[woven ermine]

ah who isnt insane in 40k

[arctic talon]

Well

She went extra insane

And became the guardian of it

[wild shard]

In fact, it might even be a original template for ai

[copper cliff]

She went insane IN THE MEMBRANE?!

[arctic talon]

But no one enters the noctis labyrinth

No one exits it either

There’s also a weird ass book in there as well

[copper cliff]

Well that's kind of a chicken and egg situation

[arctic talon]

That holds the “secrets of humanity”

[woven ermine]

ay but what if you put a bunch of mirrors in the labyrinth and looked from the outside

[copper cliff]

Nobody can exit if nobody goes in

[arctic talon]

Lol

[uneven token]

who came first

[storm jungle]

How can you go in if you DIDN'T exit it

[uneven token]

mechanicus or comsta-

[arctic talon]

There was a previous guardian of the dragon

[copper cliff]

Periscope the labyrinth

[arctic talon]

But he died

[woven ermine]

ay what if you toss a daemon prince in there

[copper cliff]

Aight Tzeentch get down from there! The cupboard is for plates!

[woven ermine]

u think they would go insane and do the imperiums bidding?

[storm jungle]

Sorry all I could picture atm

https://youtu.be/Jr_nhywjNHM?t=25

[wild shard]

What if... our civilization today was a remnant of a past similar to warhammer 40k universe. We are the survivors

[arctic talon]

And was replaced by the new one

[wild shard]

No wonder 90% of population is traumatized

[arctic talon]

But yeah she learned somthing that she thinks no one else should learn or else it’ll doom humanity

[wild shard]

Would explain some Ooparts too

[arctic talon]

Which doesn’t sound very c’tan to me

[copper cliff]

Kevin Hart's humor 90% of the time is just BEING SHORT

[arctic talon]

Personally

They’re usually a lot more “direct”

[uneven token]

bring back the slann and men of iron

[arctic talon]

Men of iron still exist lore wise

There’s one you can field on the tabletop

[wild shard]

Your momma so stupid she asked which planet dragon of mars was on

[uneven token]

ORGANICS DETECTED

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0e/UR025Mini.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181109223824

Ur-025

[woven ermine]

ay yo mama so stupid she could spend a lifetime on mars and still be stupid af

[arctic talon]

he's "hiding"

[wild shard]

Theres a novel about that last man of iron

[arctic talon]

you can tell he's 100% an imperial robot

because he has an aquilla on him

[rancid tide]

what dis

[arctic talon]

A Man of Iron

[rancid tide]

damn looks sweet

[wild shard]

Yo mama so stupid she thought a bolter was a space marine who ran from every fight

[arctic talon]

but he's pretty chill

all things considered

[rancid tide]

whats the height on him

[arctic talon]

Taller then a marine

lol

[rancid tide]

and whats his name need to read about him

[wild shard]

Dreadnaught height

[arctic talon]

Ur-025

He doesn't have too much lore

but he does have a short story

about him

[rancid tide]

Ur?

you mean

Ur-song

https://tenor.com/view/noise-marine-warhammer40k-chaos-space-marine-slaanesh-emperors-children-gif-16743297

[wild shard]

He helps the eldaar once or twice

[arctic talon]

He's vibin

oh

it didn't work

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/b/be/UR025Art.jpg/330px-UR025Art.jpg

but as long as no one finds out he's a man of iron

he ignores them

or rather tolerates them

if they find out he's a man of iron he murders them

[copper cliff]

Sounds like... An odd dichotomy

[woven ermine]

beep boop hello fellow astartes bzzt

[copper cliff]

Does he want people to think he's a fan of steel?

[arctic talon]

He wants people to think he's some obscure like

[wild shard]

Imperial guardsmen standard issue bolter rounds

[arctic talon]

Imperial robot lol

[wild shard]

The inquisition is slacking on ur

[rancid tide]

makes me wonder what type of stuff we'll find at the bottom level of tertium

[arctic talon]

I mean

no one knows he exists lol

[woven ermine]

ay i heard once that necrons went so advanced in tech they forgot to have defences against the relatively primitive tech the imperium uses, is that actually true?

[arctic talon]

No

[wild shard]

Nope

[arctic talon]

The imperium just kills necrons via raw weight of firepower lol

till they need to teleport out

and rebuild

[wild shard]

They leave before the necrons start reassembling

[woven ermine]

how tf imperium have more firepower than necrons they built some crazy shit

[arctic talon]

only way to kill a necron is by destrying the reanimation chambers

I mean

[rancid tide]

it's like finding a big machine that can kill you with its lasers and teleports

[wild shard]

So they think they killed a lot

[arctic talon]

The necrons aren't like

[rancid tide]

then you just keep whacking it in its battery

[arctic talon]

built to endure infinite damage

they'll go down eventually

but the necron will just

teleport out

[wild shard]

That necrodermis though

[arctic talon]

and rebuilt itself

So the imperium can't really

destroy a necron

they need to destroy all the reanimation chambers

[woven ermine]

can they destroy the tomb worlds?

[rancid tide]

Reminds me of the Ork Biker who drove straight into the cockpit of a Titan

[tawdry estuary]

Think we will encounter a Sloppily Bilepiper during the game.

[arctic talon]

With a lot of firepower

[rancid tide]

and started chopping everyone inside

[storm jungle]

The necrons are still advanced for whats it worth

[arctic talon]

Like an absurd ammount lol

also yeah

[storm jungle]

their problem derives from them constantly infighting

[wild shard]

They just need to glass the planet from orbit..

But plotm..

[rancid tide]

always the infighting

[arctic talon]

but necrons in general are

absurdly powerful

[storm jungle]

Yeah like super

[arctic talon]

a gauss flayer can destroy a tank

so GL

[jade crest]

But can an Ogryn beat a Necron?

[arctic talon]

no

lmao

[storm jungle]

I mean

[wild shard]

You can still drop a planet cracker on a tombworld

[arctic talon]

Instant violent death

[woven ermine]

but can a named ogryn beat a necron

[storm jungle]

he can get his bits atomized but yeah

he can