40k-lore-chat

[autumn panther]

so they're like the shittiest blanks possible

[dusk patrol]

Well that claim isn't correct in that they can't, we just don't have direct examples.

But we don't have direct examples of most regiments.

[autumn panther]

true

I always found that to be a really lofty claim

and moreso unreliable in universe narrators

or just writers making them a little more powerful than they should be

[dusk patrol]

Its not a claim made in books

[autumn panther]

if not a really shitty blank, then kriegsmen have fallen to chaos, its something that will happen, no amount of training can stop that

o

[dusk patrol]

Its made by the fanbase who never reads them

[autumn panther]

PFT

I had no clue

[rich trail]

Any good 40k audio books out there to get me up to date on lore for Darktide? ( new to the universe )

[plush mason]

hell afaik the krieg rebellion was one of the few rebellions that had nothing to do with chaos. at least one of the major ones

[autumn panther]

I mean vraks was the same case, ||if the krieg troops managed to get in the city and finish the war on schedule chaos never would have come||

[plush mason]

that is why i dont count it. it is one of the many rebellions that didnt start with chaos but ended up falling to it

when i said "nothing to do with" i mean chaos is not involved from start to finish

[autumn panther]

true true

its one of those things where not all rebellions lead to chaos, but chances are a rebellion gets sewn or bolstered with more power by chaos

[plush mason]

ye

which i do like as it shows that chaos is more often just an opportunistic force rather than "the source of all humanity's problems" like a lot of people seem to think

[autumn panther]

Mhm

I agree

[barren tapir]

Wow, so many wrong info about blanks in such a short span of time

[celest dome]

Blan are not really explained and depending on editions and writers stuff change

But still not all Blank seem to be with the Pariah gene, not all Blanks are at the same "Blankness" level and stuff like that

[barren tapir]

The occurrence of psychic blanks among humanity has been attributed to a biological source known as the "Pariah gene", although evidence suggests that it is not actually a single gene at all.

[celest dome]

So not all Blank are with the Pariah gene

[dusk patrol]

It’s not really clear

But generally it’s thought that multiple things cause the same effect

And they just get attributed to the same deal

Same as the theory that they don’t not have souls, they have powerful anti-souls.

[barren tapir]

No, it is the pariah gene doesn't really exist, that was old lore

[dusk patrol]

We keep learning a lot of new stuff about them and GW keeps adding more

Like SoS have straight up powers from their “blankness”

They can focus it and make their swords burn with white fire.

And Culexus obviously have it artificially increased and enhanced to the point where they can delete peoples souls with a touch.

They can make people catatonic just by being near them with their full aura unleashed.

Which if you ever wanna dunk on some dingus who thinks the tabletop represents what the actual combat effectiveness of someone is, bring up Culexus’s stats right now

It’s shameful

[celest dome]

I think a good way to describe it is with trigonometry.
If Materium is 0⁰ and Immaterium is 90⁰ then humanity is at 45⁰ making Cos=Sin
Blank would be lower, having more Materium, with the more Blank you are the higher the rejection

While Psyker would be higher, having a bigger lingerie to the Immaterium at the cost of that to the Materium

[dusk patrol]

I just think of it in “this guy soul go big bad no no warp”

[celest dome]

The 2 extreme would be Obsidian or that Necron stuff and something else, as Daemon and Chaos God can influence the Material

[barren tapir]

The thing that is wrong is to put blanks and psyker on the same scale, they aren't... Blanks don't have an anti soul, or a negative one, they simply don't have such connection to the warp

[barren tapir]

Blackstone can be tuned to increase warp too though

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s a polarity thing

[celest dome]

But it make sense to put them on the same scale, you can't have a Psyker who is also a Blank

Everyone is on that scale

Blank and Psyker are just the ends of it

[dusk patrol]

There is vary levels of blankness too

Some are basically just people with no signature while others can’t even be seen by normal people

[celest dome]

That I didn't know

[barren tapir]

It doesn't seeing how those two are completely different... A scale could measure how much connected to the warp you are, but if you simply don't have such connection then you don't belong to such a scale

[dusk patrol]

Well there is a scale

It’s just the opposite end of the alphabet

With Omega being the most blank

And Omega+

Or it might have been Omega-

[barren tapir]

There are two different scales, one for blanks and one for psykers, they are not the same

[dusk patrol]

It’s not used much but it does exist

It’s not technically the same but I mean

[celest dome]

But every thing has a connection to the Warp, even the absence of temperature is on the same scale as normal temperature.

It's just the finite end

[dusk patrol]

It’s just the other end of the alphabet

[barren tapir]

It is not used because it is old lore, that is plainly wrong as current lore

[dusk patrol]

I mean the Psyker one isn’t used much either these days

[barren tapir]

No, not everything has a connection to the warp

[dusk patrol]

It still applies more or less

We don’t really know how blanks work still

[celest dome]

Can a Daemon kill a Blank

[dusk patrol]

There’s in universe theories but it’s not meant to be clear

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[barren tapir]

Not directly, demons cannot even see them

[dusk patrol]

Although it tends to require a strong warp event

Yes they can

They see and kill Sisters of Silence at the Battle of Lion’s Gate

They despise them too

And directly target them

[celest dome]

Can a Blank be possessed or be blessed.

Even the lowest type of Blank, like Jurgen

[barren tapir]

I remember that a greater demon had to guess where they were and then shoot physical bullets in that direction

[dusk patrol]

So there’s things called Graels in Bequin trilogy

[barren tapir]

Nope

[dusk patrol]

And Spear in Nemesis

[barren tapir]

If you go with Abnett then we have a blank that somehow get a connection to the warp thanks to a psyker... Abnett does blanks dirty a lot

The blank himself is immune to all direct psychic effects (although a psyker could attack a blank indirectly by, say, telekinetically throwing a boulder at him from a distance). They are completely immune to daemonic possession and corruption by Chaos.

[dusk patrol]

Who are both blanks combined with a daemon, Spear I think was the only one who was properly possessed, it’s described as absurdly hard to do and makes shit go really fucky. It’s also not necessarily possessed but he was wrapped in daemon flesh or whatever.

Graels it’s described as needing an absurd amount of power to make them, and it’s not clear how it works

We don’t know how either way made really

[barren tapir]

There is a lot of BS stories about blanks honestly, that is because GW didn't knew what to do with them once, and Abnett still has his own version

[dusk patrol]

The Graels used something called the Loom which was a reality warping device but it’s not clear.

[dusk patrol]

It’s still canon though

I don’t particularly love it all either but it is canon

[celest dome]

Blank and Psyker scale is a lot like pressure scale.

You have normal atmosphere, like regular human. You higher atmosphere. Like Psyker, and you have lower atmosphere, who range from total empty to a certain percentage of atmosphere. Like Blank

[dusk patrol]

A big thing is that, if the warp event is strong enough blanks only weaken local daemons and don’t directly banish them by their presence

Depending on the power of the daemon too

[barren tapir]

Graels are funny because seems what you get when you misinterpret what a soul is, and you think that is something that you can put into someone, when soulless in reality means a lack of connection, not something that you put into people, because graels are nothing more than empty containers for emperor aligned warp entities to inhabit to survive in the materium

[dusk patrol]

Well the issue is Blanks might not even be soulless, they might just have an anti-soul which is an in universe theory.

[barren tapir]

The thing is that psyker scale measure your connection to the warp, blanks don't have any of that connection... If psyker are pressure then blanks are temperature, are two complete different things

[dusk patrol]

Because we know how soulless beings interact with the Exorcists, who technically just moved their souls somewhere else, but they just have no signature at all. But it’s not a blank effect.

[celest dome]

Rocks don't have souls. You don't see them banish Daemon everday

[dusk patrol]

Where as blanks have a anti effect

Some more than others

And it can be dampened or amplified

[barren tapir]

Which we know they don't, they lack the connection to the warp, it isn't like they are on the opposite side, and we know that they also affect nids, which aren't warp related at all

[dusk patrol]

That’s my point though

[celest dome]

If they are on 2 different scale it would mean that you can have e both at the same time

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know

[barren tapir]

That is the peculiarity of blanks indeed

[dusk patrol]

It’s in universe theories

People in universe don’t know even

[barren tapir]

No, because one exclude the other

[celest dome]

So they are on the same scale. But opposed on 2 side. With the standard human in the center

[barren tapir]

Normal humans belong to the psyker scale though, since humans naturally have a connection to the warp, even if extremely bland

If the human isn't in that scale then the blank one is used

[placid flax]

Heyo guys. I was thinking about the all the new players coming into Darktide without having been introduced to 40k before. So I'm making a 'get up to speed' easily digestable lore video series. First one is here: https://youtu.be/GsnEaG6aDIE feel free to ignore if you don't care at all, but if you feel inclined to watch i'm very keen for feedback. Thank you in advance x

[barren tapir]

The minds of most sentient beings have a connection to the Warp. This Warp signature is commonly called the soul. Psykers have especially strong connections to the Warp, and thus have very bright souls. On the other hand, blanks have no connection to the Warp whatsoever. On the contrary, their brains somehow push the Warp away from realspace.

Fun thing is that it doesn't seems to be only the brain to do so, but every part of a blank organism, at least if we go by the fact that bile used the blood of a blank to kill a demon with a syringe... We have to consider that it might have been a symbolism effect though

[solemn cargo]

There's no distinction between a symbolic effect and a physical cause when the warp is involved

[barren tapir]

There is, and is quite easy to see, one example is flame weapons... Flames shouldn't do much to beings that are already aflame, but because of symbolism they are more effective than normal bullets... Same with swords, if demons can withstand bullets then they should laugh at swords, and yet swords are quite effective against them

It was something that was noted by ultramarine sergeant on calth too, and big G, once he got reports in, ordered a switch in tactics to face the new threat that those entities were at the time

[celest dome]

Human would be in the middle, not high enough to be considered a Psyker, but not low enough to be a Blank

[barren tapir]

And that would be wrong, since humans have a connection to the warp

[celest dome]

Are they human

Or be they rocks

[barren tapir]

Humans have connections to the warp, even if bland, blanks don't have connection simple as that... The difference between blanks and rocks is that rocks are inanimate, blanks are living organism

[celest dome]

Let's take trees then

They're living organism I reckon

But we don't know how the Warp connection work.

[barren tapir]

The minds of most sentient beings have a connection to the Warp.

[celest dome]

It's even possible that Blank are linked to Pre Chaos Warp

And that is what cause the rejection from Daemon or Chaos Influence

[barren tapir]

Psykers have especially strong connections to the Warp, and thus have very bright souls. On the other hand, blanks have no connection to the Warp whatsoever.

[celest dome]

And as we've seen, this isn't always the case.

[barren tapir]

The blank himself is immune to all direct psychic effects

They are completely immune to daemonic possession and corruption by Chaos.

[celest dome]

We can go all day. The Blank are still very much unknown

[celest dome]

Refer to Eternal's comment higher

[barren tapir]

They really aren't, people just cannot get things right

[celest dome]

We have cases where this is factually wrong

[barren tapir]

I think you mean spear existence right?

[celest dome]

Spear and that other thing

[barren tapir]

Graels

[celest dome]

That's the thing. Either Blank is a 1 or 0, or it's a spectrum. With the lowest Blank being practically the same as a normal Human

If its a 1 or 0, then all Blank would have the same effect

But they don't

And the only way it can be explained is that some have, if very little, warp connection

[barren tapir]

Depending on the story they have and they haven't the same effect, SoS are the biggest example of having varying effect, while when we deal with other blanks they all have the same effect

[barren tapir]

This cannot be, since it contraddict the basic nature of blanks

[celest dome]

So in certain stories, the Blank we see have all the same effect. While in other other Blank have different effect.

[barren tapir]

The only explanation that can make all the different stories true is that different authors wrote what they thought was the right interpretation and we now have a mess of stories

[celest dome]

Basic nature that the IoM think it is

It's in world Knowledge

Everything we see is thing that the IoM think it is

[barren tapir]

No, if we go by the imperium knowledge they only know that someone is immune to warp effects, don't know exactly why

[celest dome]

That's why all lore is canon, but not all is correct

[barren tapir]

Although the imperium might know something more, since they know how to make blanks out of Sm psykers

[celest dome]

Blank have the same effect (Iirc) as the collar of Khorne, but still Hounds of Khorne can wear them

[barren tapir]

A potent psyker can protect other people by psychic powers, same effect doesn't mean same source

[storm jungle]

Not all lore is cannon lmao

the only canon is whatever GW wants at the time

thats just fan copium

[celest dome]

Isn't there something like that though

[final spruce]

You mean GW’s cope sentence « Everything is canon, not everything is true » just because they cannot get writers to agree on a basis for the lore ?

[storm jungle]

^

The basic rule is lore mostly gets "canonized" when its something newly mentioned in the setting or an old lore that hasn't been used in a decade is mentioned again like the Star Child.

[alpine ingot]

Gav:"Eldar, it's time for your annual retcon."

[storm jungle]

[alpine ingot]

Abnett: ||"Y'know those kids that were saved in Necropolis? Would be a shame if they turned out to be... woemachines."||

[full bane]

It's a spectrum, measured on the same scale as psychic potential.

[celest dome]

That's what I'm saying

[full bane]

The Assignment measures from Omega Minus (Celexus Assassin and other high end blanks) to Alpha Plus.

That's the scale from the older Inquisition sourcebooks, and it's referenced in a fair number of newer material and novels as well IIRC.

Yeah the difference is that Blankness is part of the spectrum, but also refers to everything Omega level and below.
Before that it's just psychic resistance or being a dim/blunt soul.

And not all Omega levels might be blanks either.

[dry epoch]

Lore steer comes from GW and the studio particularly. Not the writers.

[storm jungle]

Yeee that was my guess

[cunning wigeon]

I do find it kinda funny with people complaining about lore retcons as a newer warhammer fan. I hear the complaints and its like "oh what changed?" "these guys are retconned to not eat babies and tattoo eachothers ass cheeks with their faction symbol" and its like...what of value was lost lol

With warhammer making the lore less bloated and actually relevant instead of insane amounts of fluff feels like a pretty good thing imo

[storm jungle]

I genuinely dont mind it either way yeah

[full bane]

Eh, they're not entirely mutually exclusive. Just indicative that the idea of "soulless" not entirely encapsulating what a Blank is (assuming they even have a shared, consistent origin). There's a spectrum there which has varying degrees of "blankness", from causing mild discomfort and warp-blindness in nearby psykers to straight up killing them. Varying degrees of warp-nullification and negative psychic presence.

From what we've seen, I assume it's not just a case of having no soul or a dull soul, it's having a negative amount of soul. At least running with the setting-expectation that a soul equals a warp presence.
Some of the novels have had blanks burn out this negativeness, leaving them as a human low on the assignment, others have had psykers overpower and destroy blanks. It generally implies that they exist on a spectrum to me.

[full bane]

Especially when the lore isn't even that heavily retconned either. It's all still kind of there, just less emphasized.

You can have your baby-eating, asscheek branded maniacs. They just don't represent the setting as a whole.

[cunning wigeon]

yeah exactly

[storm jungle]

40k rarely does hard retcons usually anyway

unless its like a few old 2000's books

those are cases where they REALLY say its a full retcon and considered non-canon which can be pretty interesting

[full bane]

The only hard retcon I can recall off the top of my head is the Necrons.

[storm jungle]

Kind of

theres also the Ian Watson books

and the Farseer novel by William King

one of the few rare cases where they were declared hereticus novels/non-canon adamantly

[full bane]

And even then you can explain it as the few "corrupted" Tomb Worlds being the first to awaken.

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly

[cunning wigeon]

what was the necron retcon?

[storm jungle]

basically

they served the c'tan entirely

they had no autonomy

also like

no identity

which uh

isnt fun as an army

lmao

[cunning wigeon]

yeah that sounds weak af

[storm jungle]

With the 5th edition they are what they are now with the whole egyptian dynasties angle

[full bane]

Pre 5th Ed, the Crons were a mindless terminator race puppetted by the Ctan's to xenocide the galaxy.

[fierce pendant]

I can’t believe they retconned my favourite character Obiwan Sherlock

[storm jungle]

To add to this

you also could just go

"Oh my dynasty serves THIS c'tan"

literally only 2 shitty ctan models

[cunning wigeon]

badass rules nightbringer with shitty model

dont think ive seen more proxies than for that model

[storm jungle]

STILL IN THE STORE BTW

[full bane]

GW is terrible, retconning Illiyan Nastase, the half-eldar Ultramarine out of existence.

[storm jungle]

He is now just an eldar ambassador for Eldrad

[full bane]

How dare they defile the sacred canon this way! Reeee

[fierce pendant]

[full bane]

slams a desk lamp on the table
C'tan proxy btw

[cunning wigeon]

insert the meme of canon fan < fanon enjoyer

[mossy mortar]

The only canon that's real is the holy canons of the church

Everything else is just a corruption of the term

[plush mason]

so did space Alexander the great become a living saint?

[celest dome]

He is an Imperial Saint, but I don't think he came back as a living Saint

[plush mason]

k

[gilded ravine]

this seems like the best place for this. id be interested in running a 40k themed ttrpg using dungeon world or uncharted worlds as the engine.

[arctic talon]

He's technically still canon lol

[fierce pendant]

[celest dome]

Obiwan Sherlock Clussau and something like that innit ?

[arctic talon]

Ye

[storm jungle]

Yeah you see his initials in an Inquisitorial report

its great lmao

[fierce pendant]

That's actually hilarious lol

[broken zenith]

GW should bring back the naked RT Custodes

[dusk patrol]

No

[broken zenith]

:c

[crisp heath]

Did Yarrick really die of old age?

[plush mason]

unknown rn

[arctic talon]

He’s confirmed dead

His cause of death is unknown

[plush mason]

^ this

[arctic talon]

Odds are he prolly got murdered by a daemon or some shit considering how much of a disaster Armageddon is rn

[plush mason]

hmm. almost as if naming your world after the literal biblical apocalypse would invite ruin to it

[arctic talon]

Lol

[snow mantle]

Well calling it ||Ullanor|| wasn't working out too hot either, at first.

[mossy mortar]

No he died

[astral owl]

its 40k. Probably safer calling somewhere Armageddon than "The happy place of eternal freedom". That's going to end up being a seriously twisted place.

[meager path]

That's why there's a place in the warp called "Empyrean" or as we know it "Outer Heaven"

[celest dome]

Because the Warp is the domain of the souls

[opaque vessel]

But the eldarii and NECRONS fucked shit up for everyone

[celest dome]

The Necrontir and the Old Ones

Not the Eldars

Like the Old Ones had Krork, Eldar and my memory want to say Human but I don't think that's correct

[opaque vessel]

old one side was the eldarii and krorks

Necrontir had the c'tan and necrons

But then Kekorach did a Kekorach and screwed with the deceiver causing more peril

[storm jungle]

Nah

he just made the C'tan eat each other

literally the most cosmic gigachad move in existence

[plush mason]

he made the C'tan what each other?

[storm jungle]

Whoops, meant "eat"

[plush mason]

omnomnom

[edgy yacht]

my girlfriend agreed that magnus did nothing wrong after I listened to the fury of magnus audiobook in my car on the way to a hike, she's never heard of 40k though (I too am a magnus apologist)...

[thin crescent]

When big E says no long distance phone calls, and you keep making em...

[edgy yacht]

||I do not like the counter narrative that vulkan states that the events of fury of magnus never happened as they did because it takes away the weight of the story||

[dreamy junco]

Magnus did everything wrong

[edgy yacht]

average space wolf enjoyer

[dreamy junco]

Don’t even have to enjoy the space furries to believe in the truth

[odd palm]

Breaking news, Magnus stans are blind to common sense

[thin crescent]

Also, this just in, Space Wolves stans support mutant heresy!

[dusk patrol]

Magnus not only did everything wrong, he never did anything right

The man might as well have gone into bullettime to ensure he shot all his friendlies as accurately as possible while missing every enemy

[odd palm]

To right, the 6th and 15th are insufferable

[edgy yacht]

leman russ is a rabit pit bull that should be put down like the dog he is

ignores the pleas of constantine valdor to consider the big e's orders and shatters his brother

[edgy yacht]

let us not forget space wolves also did not obey the council of Nikea

[thin crescent]

He still deserves punishment for killing the entire 1st company of Dark Angels...

[plush mason]

so is Cawl as a character still used as bottle of handwavium to explain away some of the inconsistencies in the lore or was that never the case and just memelore?

[thin crescent]

Pretty much true. Cawl possesses the unobtanium.

[plush mason]

lol

still as handwavium goes Cawl is a uniquely non lazy example of it

[thin crescent]

Sometimes it comes off as lazy to me. Basically GW was in a corner. They sell models, and people only buy new models. With a finite amount of things they could make, they needed an excuse to make all new things. That's Cawl.

[plush mason]

given that a lot of handwavium is literally just the writers ignoring the fine details completely he isnt that lazy

[uneven temple]

how does using cawl to explain new things correlate to being handwavium to explain away inconsistencies in the lore, whatever those are?

[thin crescent]

It's not inconsistencies as much as new things that were never portrayed or existed in previous books. Humanity doesn't invent any more, so where would anything new come from. STC's were the only exception to this.

Now they can just say, "Oh, Cawl invented it."

[uneven temple]

sure, but i think nameless was asking about inconsistencies in the lore and cawl being used to explain them away. thats actually the first time i've heard of anything of the sort

idk what inconsistencies cawl has been used to explain away, never heard that from anyone

[thin crescent]

Primarus marines are the first example. So Cawl just like surpassed the Emperors work on marines?

[uneven temple]

you're considering that an inconsistancy?

[thin crescent]

In the lore yes.

But if you need to sell minis, just rewrite the lore right?

[uneven temple]

I wouldn't consider that an inconsistancy at all, ngl. it's essentially a natural evolution of what the AM already tried with the cursed foundings, except he was doing it before. or maybe he had a hand in that too, who knows. but making new marines, or a new version of marines, isn't contradictory with what's already established at all.

corax tried a new method of creating marines that kind of ended up being superior to other marines in the first batch of Raptors as well.

[thin crescent]

I mean, if you wanna get technical about it, so did Fabius Bile before the heresy started....

[rustic spruce]

how long can an ork live

[thin crescent]

But in the primaris lore dude invented organs, took organs reserved for primarchs and custodes and slapped em together. That is the HIGHEST tech heresy.

To have a tech priest do it, supposedly under the command of Big E is kinda lazy writing.

[uneven temple]

hard disagree

[thin crescent]

If he wanted marines to have those he would have given them at the beginning.

@uneven temple How long you been into the lore?

[uneven temple]

lol a long ass time bud

and the Astartes project was not...all encompassing in it's scope, either. the marines that were put out did have flaws, and as Astarte/others herself noted, they were never meant to operate without their Primarchs. there's a lot about the Astartes that almost speaks to a project that wasn't necessarily the perfect solution. the closest you'd get to that would be the Custodes

[thin crescent]

How long seriously...

[uneven temple]

the view that the Astartes are perfect as is, or were at the time of their creation, is a view a lot of the AM hold, but not necessarily the objective truth

it's an in-universe ideology that many subscribe to but really doesn't hold up outside the religious dogma the AM clings to

[thin crescent]

I've been playing/reading since Rogue Trader. I've watched things get retconned and rewritten in ways that make more sense. I've seen rewrites because of the business needs of GW.

The Cawl situation seems to me (as a long time fan) to be a business need rewrite.

Not saying I don't think it's not a cool idea...

[uneven temple]

i don't even disagree that Cawl's existence was largely driven by a need to inject sales into 40k and revitalize the setting (an objective that was largely achieved, given their sales numbers), but to say that he exists to explain away inconsistencies is not correct. you can rag on him for existing for other reasons, sure, but I would shy away from saying he's there to explain those away. the example you already utilized isn't an inconsistency at all

[thin crescent]

IMHO There was lots of lore on how successive gens of SM's were wasting away or smaller, etc.

I would have had him fix that deficiency finally.

Would have made more sense in the lore IMHO.

More than, "I invented a whole new type of thing!"

THen again, does Guilliman getting a new suit of armor made by Eldar make any sense to the Imperium?

The whole thing feels off to me as a long time fan.

[uneven temple]

uh....the armor of fate wasn't made by eldar?

[rustic spruce]

what ever happened to malcador's nuclear staff

[thin crescent]

No? According to dark Imperium the backpack was.

[uneven temple]

Cawl made it....the Eldar involvement with Guilliman's resurrection was more about bringing his soul back into his body, and healing whatever Fulgrim's sword did

[thin crescent]

hIS LIFE SUPPORT

[uneven temple]

DI the novel?

[rain leaf]

tis in the greyknights vauls on luna I think?

[plush mason]

i dont know but i think they can live a long ass times if they dont die fighting

[uneven temple]

there was nothing in the Dark Imperium novels about his backpack being built by the Eldar, to my knowledge. and it's been a while since I read the GS campaign book, but the only thing I remember being confused about from that in relation to later works was where he got the Emperor's Sword from

nothing from the Armor of Fate afaik came directly from the Eldar

[plush mason]

ok so seems there is no definitive answer but it is possible they are immortal and can only die in battle

[thin crescent]

And they reproduce like roaches. Tehm spores gotta get burned away.

[plush mason]

nah they reproduce like fungus. cause they are fungus and iirc when you kill an ork its just like bursting a fungus spore pod

[thin crescent]

^This.

[opaque vessel]

The mycelium is strong and you cannot kill an Ork in a way that matters

[plush mason]

yes

if anything killing an ork is just continuing the specie's reproductive cycle

[opaque vessel]

Eat the Ork to end it

they can't fuck the planet over if they've been eaten and cooked

[thin crescent]

Mushroom burgers?

[snow fern]

HERETIC BORGOR

[opaque vessel]

Mushroom and grox burgers with a dash of warp dust

[thin crescent]

DRAIGO MY MAAANN!!!

[opaque vessel]

Tastes like armageddon literally

[thin crescent]

How's it hanging player....

[snow fern]

So why is cannibalism bad but corpse starch approved in the imperium?

[thin crescent]

Because even in death I'm still served.

[opaque vessel]

I mean I'm guessing it is one of those hush hush things

And you won't exactly see corpse starch production during a pandemic

[snow fern]

So it’s just the imperium twisting itself into a pretzel over hypocrisy? Got it.

[opaque vessel]

when are they not ?

[snow fern]

Also fair, just making sure it wasn’t some grand conspiracy for a change.

[plush mason]

it isnt afaik its more a last resort kind of thing. but the vita paste the guardsmen eat is made from a fungus that may be grown on human corpses

[thin crescent]

Almost as secret as that fully functioning STC forge that the Van Saars are hiding on Necromunda.

[opaque vessel]

even the imperium's regards to the warp are borderline hypocrisy but it is coming from someone with tzeentch as their pfp so

Grain of salt

[snow fern]

I’m pretty sure I’ve read of Guardsmen being executed for resorting to cannibalism. It’s why I was confused.

[plush mason]

that is a big part of the watcher in the rain iirc

[opaque vessel]

I'm guessing it is more so of it being unprocessed

[plush mason]

yeah

[opaque vessel]

Uncleansed Shmeat

[snow fern]

Don’t you get some nasty disease from cannibalism? Explains the general mental state of the wider imperium.

[thin crescent]

Non-pasteurized, processed, unclean, booty chunks.

[opaque vessel]

Not always

[thin crescent]

Creutzfelts-jakobs disease.

Probs spelt that wrong from mem

[opaque vessel]

Creutzfeldt-jakobs disease isn't a 100% guarantee

But it is highly likely

[opaque vessel]

No one can spell German names even the Germans

[thin crescent]

No worries reject! Ignore your hunger pains by reading "The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer!"

[opaque vessel]

I have a friend who read the entire uplifting primer

fuckin guardsmen overachievers

[thin crescent]

LOL

[plush mason]

i mean. there are entire populations that had a long history of cannibalism which for some only ended in the last 20th century so it clearly isnt all that deadly

[snow fern]

Wait is the primer an actual thing you can purchase?

[thin crescent]

It used to be'

[opaque vessel]

Not only are the guardsmen basic they have to be the best at being basic also yes

it used to be a thing you could buy but now isn't for some reason

[plush mason]

what did it look like?

[opaque vessel]

I'm sure you can find copies of the uplifting primer somewhere

[thin crescent]

https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Infantrymans-Uplifting-Primer-Damocles/dp/1844164845

[opaque vessel]

Green

It was green

[thin crescent]

408 smackaroles....

[opaque vessel]

I wish there was a psyker's guide to the Galaxy version of the uplifting primer

Maybe a Prospero edition cuz those folk were good with the warp

[plush mason]

so it literally looks like a pocket bible. of fucking course it does

[snow fern]

Survivorship bias. Lotta people say eating raw meat and smoking a pack a day lets you live to 100 cause their great uncle did. Not saying it’s super awful, but I imagine considering the commonality of cannibalism in the animal kingdom there is a reason it isn’t at all common in humanity.

[opaque vessel]

Because we tend to attach ourselves to arbitrary morals ?

[plush mason]

i mean these cultures existed for 100s of years if not far longer so it clearly did not effect them to badly

ofc in said cultures cannibalism is done more sparingly and ritualistically so that is one likely reason for it not having a major impact on them health wise

[plush mason]

yeah if there is one thing humans are really good at its setting completely unrealistic moral expectations of ourselves

[opaque vessel]

Yep < ^>

[slender orchid]

Has nothing to do with ritual or not. Prions are misfolded proteins that are naturally occurring in all people. Your body deals with them. When you ingest them, most dangerously through nerve tissue, they can immediately start affecting your own nervous system. The resulting disease is commonly called Kuru

TL:DR Cannablism = bad, causes dementia

It isn't common in animals either, except in conditions of desperation, such as starvation. Namely situations where a slow acting disease and societal breakdown are less of a concern than imminent death. Mad Cow disease is literally Kuru affecting cows. Funnily enough, most "arbitrary morals" have basis in practicality.

[rustic spruce]

Do tyranids produce new hive ships

[rancid tide]

if they attain enough bio-mass I'm sure they do

they aren't limited to usual logistical issues with different materials etc

just straight meat and genes

[mossy mortar]

They just identify with the loser nerd

[mossy mortar]

It's more modeled on the Little Red Book

Fuck I own one of those things

The primer i mean

[full bane]

Magnus did nothing wrong

He was supposed to do nothing.

He did it wrong

[celest dome]

The Emperor did nothing right

[neon trout]

Hello, I'm new to WH40k and I would like to ask if there is some videos explaining the lore before playing Darktide? I know there are books but reading the whole serie in 3 days might be tough

[celest dome]

Luetin did one about Darktide and what to know iirc

[neon trout]

Alright, I've found it, thanks1

[rose thorn]

You gotta love when a faction’s greatest enemy is internal politics

It’s always fun hearing about how the enemies leader was politically assassinated 3 times during a battle

[placid flax]

I have you covered

[placid flax]

I made this specifically for people like yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnEaG6aDIE&t=2s&ab_channel=TheActionWindow

[neon trout]

Thanks @placid flax !

[placid flax]

my pleasure, enjoy

[undone pilot]

@placid flax great video this is what I was looking for

[placid flax]

thank you mate, really appreciate the kind words

[surreal garnet]

I've got a question and a novice level understanding of some 40k Lore to hopefully spare some lengthy context;
How did the Emperium even get to the Galaxy spanning level it is at currently without getting stopped/pushed back earlier?
Were the other threats just not around at the time, or was it that the Astartes were exceedingly more effective before the whole Horus thing, or something else entirely different?
My understanding is the only reason the Emperium can hold the territory it has is because of the virtually limitless number of Astra Militarum to hold it, seems like you needed the territory first to be able to sustain it, but that's where I get confused

[nocturne jetty]

Bel'akor dies in 40k?

[celest dome]

Isn't he a Daemon Prince? So he rez up after a while

[rustic spruce]

i think the only thing that can truly kill a demon is the emperor's sword

[tight sigil]

Grey Knights can truly kill demons too

[celest dome]

Pretty much anyone can truly kill a Daemon

You just need the right ritual

Like the Daemons name

A symbolic enough weapon

[tight sigil]

Oooh that's cool

[placid flax]

I'm assuming you're talking about the Imperium here and not the Empyrean - the TL:DR is that the Great Crusade was basically humanity at the absolute peak of its man power and military prowess bent towards a single purpose, the unification of the species. Between the gene craft of the Emperor, the manpower of humanity and the weapons of the mechanicum, there was pretty much nothing that could stop it steam rolling once it was in full swing

it also helped that as new planets and systems were brought into the fold, they immediately began to bend their output towards the Crusade as well. Best example of this is probably Roboute Guilliman who established a small empire within an Empire by being so damn logistically effective when it came to the compliance of new worlds

[celest dome]

Not the peak

There were stages where Mankind was much more prevalent

[placid flax]

edited for clarification

[unique berry]

So they legit killed our boy Yaarick bs on another lvl (I know im early with it)

[storm jungle]

To add to what action_johnny has also said the Imperium isn't actually Galaxy-spanning, they lay claim to the entire Milky Way but still lose planets and gain them on an almost daily basis due to their decay as a civilisation ever since the Horus Heresy and the horrible conditions most Imperial citizens live under which causes them to seek means of "escape" in the form of various things from planetary rebellions to chaos cults.

They are basically Space Rome fighting against everyone and themselves on thousands of fronts in a losing battle, the Imperium only hasn't been destroyed yet because you need to sell miniatures but its eventual fate is more or so to decay into nothing.

[surreal garnet]

So Nurgle was right all along

[storm jungle]

nah

The only reason the Imperium fails as a civilisation is itself

[mossy mortar]

A lot of worlds also joined voluntarily due to the charisma of the emperor and primarchs plus the promise of security, advanced technology, etc

Some worlds literally thought they were the last humans left in the universe

It was the last era of hope and progress

[placid flax]

I'm using compliance in the context of a catch all here, not just military conquest

[mossy mortar]

Oh yeah im just expanding on your thing

[unique berry]

Lets go humanity

[brave swallow]

Yes, hello. Where's a good place one can go to, to learn lore after watching Emperor TTS series?

[storm jungle]

The 40k lexicanum is your best friend

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

[brave swallow]

Thank you!

[storm jungle]

Np

I dont recommend the wiki because all their shit is LONG AF and stolen straight from codexes.

Lexi summarises it for better consumption

[rustic spruce]

What made leman russ so resistant to psykers

[storm jungle]

No brain.

I joke

[uneven temple]

his point of view was that the psykers as they were constituted and utilized by many legions drank too deeply from the warp. his own psykers drew from limited wells, tied heavily planetary spirits, or somesuch. WS had a similar outlook though they were advocates for a more regulated librarius. I'd also say that a lot of Russ' reaction was a direct response to magnus just saying 'HELL YEAH BROTHER LETS DRINK THIS WARP JUICE BABYYYY'

[dusk patrol]

I personally wouldn’t trust Lexi very much either since it’s basically just the Wiki but done by a smaller group, but typically they’re a bit better

They have a lot of issues with being slow to update though, and also just ignoring factions or characters they don’t care about or like. I remember hilariously a little while back, I found out that the Felinid page had more words, descriptions, and content on it than characters like Ferrus Manus, despite the Felinids only being mentioned off hand in like one or two book.

They adjusted this eventually once it was pointed out but the important part is someone really cared about those 40k catgirls

[plush mason]

oof

but that is to be expected

[dusk patrol]

There’s also other stuff, like quoting outdated sources which have long since been retconned or replaced

Xenology being the big one

[plush mason]

such is the problem with unofficial site like these

[dusk patrol]

The important lesson, try to just check the official source

Wikis can be ok but don’t take them as a solid source

Same as loretubers

There’s also some other infamous examples like the Valdor thing, where I believe multiple wikis had “Valdor used to spar with Horus” as a fact, sourcing a forum post which sourced the wiki. And this stuck around for a long long time.

And become one of those weird bits of fanon which created itself and self perpetuated itself for a long long time with no official GW source.

[copper cliff]

I also used to spar with horus

[dusk patrol]

It’s true, and I have a source

#40k-lore-chat message

[uneven temple]

bro you gotta be thick, solid, and tight to spar with horus. keep us posted with your gains

[modest sky]

Why spar when you can cuddle?

[round cedar]

thinking of designing a middle east/north african inspired guard regiment with unique looking armor like this, any ideas for a cool helmet somewhat based in history?

i really like the brass scales look with red scarf drip

[thin crescent]

Bottom one looks kinda like a Tallarn guardsman.

[round cedar]

but want unique cool helmet inspired by midevil design, but all those are from europe which is overrepresented in 40k

yea tallarn is a bit generic for my tastes

want to be a bit more midevil lookin

cuz i LOVE the dragoon armor

[plush mason]

i mean. GW is literally a European company so

[round cedar]

yea but after you see enough stuff inspired by ancient europe you crave a little something more

[plush mason]

true

[thin crescent]

Okay this one is cool. Like some kind of dragoon.

Just make up a unit number and a planet

[round cedar]

yea but gotta think of a cool helmet

[thin crescent]

Like the 471st Takarthian Dragoons

[round cedar]

i want a full face cover helmet thatd be useful against sand

not just a regiment of dragoons but something unique

and im gonna make them have unique lasguns that looks like the Bren with the pack coming out from the top

maximum rule of cool

[thin crescent]

Just with less holes

[round cedar]

anyone know of any helmets from africa/the middle east that would look cool transalted into 40k style?

[round cedar]

looking for somehting historical

if possible

[plush mason]

there is already a few

[round cedar]

jannisaries i know of

[round cedar]

hmm not bad

[thin crescent]

Instead of chainmail, have overlapping plates draped down the sides and back

[plush mason]

this is african armor from around the period you are looking for

[round cedar]

thanks, thinking of how to translate something like that into 40k style

[thin crescent]

Maybe a flip down visor?

[plush mason]

here is moorish armor

[thin crescent]

See the adjustment bit that sticks up in the center? Have it flip down, and the brim covers the eyes, but that part closes the bottom of the face.

[round cedar]

hmm not convinced it would look cool enough, but maybe

gonna try to draw an idea

welp i found something exactly like what i wanted but without the bren style las gun

just aint sure if that helmet is right

[thin crescent]

Thats a celtic style helmet

[round cedar]

yea it looked sorta similar to some moroccan helmet i saw

gotta find that

but the torso armor is perfect

now this is a helmet i like

from ottoman empire roughly

officers get a feather sticking out the top

[thin crescent]

Would look good on that armor you showed first.

[round cedar]

the bronze scale ones?

[thin crescent]

#40k-lore-chat message

[round cedar]

well thats already in 40k

trying to make something unique

[thin crescent]

Ah gotcha

Go buck wild then! There are tons of planets at different tech levels

[round cedar]

first shoddily put together idea of that i want my cool guard reg to look like

(non hand made, all found assets put together )

[thin crescent]

Nice! Got any lore for them?

[round cedar]

no idea lmao

just want em to have a little something unique, but that aint gonna be easy

a cool moroccan/north african name is the next part

hmm

[tough lava]

Have a bit of a lore questions I guess, I watched a Zerkovich video and he mentioned that the "zealot wont use a force sword because that would be heresy for them" can someone explain the lore behind that? new to warhammer 40k lore here

[round cedar]

a force sword is only usabel by psykers as its charges with psychic force

they dont use it becausew they think its heretica, zealots literally cant charge it with warp energy

[thin crescent]

Using the warp to charge things isn't gonna fly with a zealot...

[round cedar]

also they can not do it

[tough lava]

ah I see, thanks

[rancid tide]

gotta use a power sword charged by D batteries

[round cedar]

Meet the Bashlik Sellswords, my custom imperial guard regiment who is mostly fleet based and are mercenary bastards by nature. They arrive to a planet in need with their great forces, and negotiate a hefty price before assisting the planet, or leaving them to their fates.

Everybody hates them but tolerates them due to their effectiveness and self sufficiency, better to have your world's coffers emptied than have your cities burn. They may be mercenaries but are loyal and aint working with no chaos or xenos.

feedback would be lit, i made the lore unique and interesting but idk if it'd actually work in 40k lore tbh. in theory they may be able to get away with it so long as they dont step on the toes of anyone too powerful

[thin crescent]

Honestly, it's entirely possible that they are acting under the orders of some corrupt Planetary Govenor.

[round cedar]

yea that could be cool too, governor sells out their troops at ridiculous prices and maybe redirects other threats to planets (or even plants genestealers on other worlds) in order to create demand

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-creepy-smile-gif-18297390

[round cedar]

Revised writeup: Feedback greatly appreciated; lmk if I should include more stuff to show their cultural inspiration as Moroccan mercenaries from the medieval period.

*While officially a regiment of the Imperial Guard, the Bashlik Sellswords operate most like a mercenary company. When arriving to an imperial planet in need, the great Bashlik fleets remain in orbit, refusing to send aid until they can extort favorable compensation from the planetary governor. Only once their steep fee is met do they deploy their great battalions and aid the world, or leave them to their fates if their price isn’t met.

This regiment has faced heavy sanction throughout their history for abandoning worlds they could have saved and disregarding Imperial chain of command, including being denied resupply from assigned forge worlds, but the wealth of resources extracted from desperate worlds has ensured their continued survival, resupply, and massive fleet presence.*

[chrome otter]

I really like the medieval Moroccan theme

[opaque vessel]

@tawny trout @stable rampart

This is the difference between a regular human

And an average Astartes

Non primaris of course

030 the ogryns are roughly the same size

[stable rampart]

Cool? Why am I being pinged for this? lol

[opaque vessel]

xP cuz general chat can't have pictures posted

[tawny trout]

That looks cursed xD

[outer apex]

why not using a normal picture?

[opaque vessel]

Because this chart is okay

030 but I've had friends wonder how tall is that irl still

[opaque vessel]

This for some reason makes some people actually feel the difference xP

[outer apex]

[celest dome]

What does 030 mean ?

[opaque vessel]

An emoticon

Sorta imagine a shocked pouting face

[junior delta]

This is a great idea for a regiment nice work

[pseudo stirrup]

Isn't Vulcan even chunkier?

[celest dome]

Vulkan is the biggest of the Primarch

Alpharius and Omegon are the smallest

[round cedar]

Magnus is the biggest i think

although he can kinda cheat and change his size he is typically bigger thank Vulkan i think

[celest dome]

Well that's kinda cheating

Oh right you also said it yourself

[placid flax]

how's everyone doing with their head canon for their rejects

Depending on how good the Female veteran voices are, I think I'm going either Female Zealot, Female Vet, Male Ogryn and Male Psyker, Or I'll swap to female psyker and male vet. Got some names sorted but not all.

[ornate wing]

Female vet underrated real talk

[round cedar]

Thanks 🥰

[celest dome]

My headcanon is that the Class isn't what we were in the past but the spot/title we will/would get if we became Acolyte to the Inquisitor

[plush mason]

so will the grey knights and SoB work with a radical inquisitor of their respective ordos?

[dusk patrol]

Depends on what way they’re radical

And why they would need to assist them

They might be willing to put aside issues to confront a threat for a bit and then deal with the Inquisitor later for example

[plush mason]

k

[celest dome]

None yet

And not the best place to ask

[stable knoll]

Vulkan is the biggest at base, like without any warp stuff he's the largest primarch

[rustic spruce]

so is mental willpower a counter to psykers

i remember reading that dorns willpower was capable of shutting down psykers in his presence

[thin crescent]

Larger than Angron or Magnus?

[dusk patrol]

For mind attacks it can be a bit but not normally no

Dorn’s thing was because he’s a primarch

[rain leaf]

yes but also no. because it is just a part of what you need to dominate the warp...

[dusk patrol]

And primarchs are inherently warp beings

[slow oxide]

lore

[dusk patrol]

So resisting might do a bit but it’s not gonna like, invalidate any halfway decent Psyker

[rain leaf]

only blanks can fully shutdown the warp and its effects.

[fierce grail]

...... Yarrick

[thin crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/rkh16-ifin4n-ركه-the-punisher-gif-22194788

[ripe ravine]

did they? https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/15/warhammer-community-investigates-could-commissar-yarrick-actually-be-dead/

[dusk patrol]

Aka, “We’ll do something with him when we goddamn please, fuck off nerds”

[ripe ravine]

basically

would be weird to post that article and then immediately have angron kill him off though, so there's faint hope for yarrick fans later on

[stable knoll]

Baseline before demonic corruption, yes

Angron I believe is 8-9 feet tall along with lorgar pre heresy and Vulkan is 10 feet 9 inches

Not exact of course but Vulkan is usually known as the tallest pre heresy of course

[thin crescent]

That can't be right. a Space marine is 8' tall. EVERY primarch (including Girlyman) was supposedly 10'. Magnus would have been like 14'

[plush mason]

arent space marines only 8' in armor and like 7' out of it?

[stable knoll]

Like I said man it's not exact, all I know is that Vulkan was the taller pre heresy and even then Magnus can only beat him with warp fuckery

Also yeah marines are 7-8

[thin crescent]

Can you reference a line from the books where this was stated? I can show you one on Magnus.

[thin crescent]

Dunno where this chart came from, but wrong. A normal male is 6' these days. SM's are two heads taller than that, meaning 8' tall.

[storm jungle]

Its not wrong lmao

[plush mason]

that is not true at all

[stable knoll]

Dude I'm not really concerned enough to start pulling out page citations to figure out which fictional character is taller, I've just seen that Vulkan is known as the tallest without any chaos stuff

[storm jungle]

That is literally straight from the official sources

[plush mason]

only 18% of the men on earth are 6' and up today

[stable knoll]

Hell multiple authors have the primarchs at differing heights, some 10 ft, some 14, hell some even 18

[storm jungle]

Also yeah Vulkan is always said to be the biggest

a lot of HH books mention this

[stable knoll]

Exactly, thank you

[storm jungle]

so its not even a throwaway line

[plush mason]

GW cant set a standard size for any of their shit and never have

[stable knoll]

Yeah there are even height charts where he's like a head higher than dorn even

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

most Primarch POVs like Magnus also confirm it more or less

[stable knoll]

Exactly

[thin crescent]

What source is this chart? Warhammer Community? A book?

[storm jungle]

Books, Jes Goodwin and designer notes

its why I included the transparent models at the back

it varies but its more or so set between 2 heights

[plush mason]

Vulkan's canon size is "hot fucking damn he big"

[thin crescent]

Also in the HH books it legit says that Magnus was the tallest primarch. I realize some authors may write incorrectly.

[stable knoll]

Damn right

[storm jungle]

Magnus and Vulkan are the bigger ones yeah

Big E doesnt really count since he can shapeshift

[stable knoll]

Yeah they're both big just for different reasons

[thin crescent]

Of course we don't know if that tallest claim involves the hairdo! 😄

[final spruce]

I know its a meme but atleast it gives the size of some primarchs

[stable knoll]

Vulkan cause well I mean look at the guy

And Magnus cause chaos fuckery

Also yeah uh

emps is kinda large

[storm jungle]

This is more or so pretty accurate yeah

Big E in the latest book cover meanwhile is a fucking giant

[final spruce]

And your average ogryn is between Thunder Warrior and Rogal Dorn

[rustic spruce]

isn't the emperors size dependent on whose looking at him

[final spruce]

I mean, makes sense, monkey see bigger monkey, assumes he's chief

[dusk knot]

Damn Markus is short

[storm jungle]

He can shapeshift

so its purposefully inconcistent

[plush mason]

the lexicanium lists Ogryn at around 2.5 to 3m on average so yeah that checks out

[final spruce]

I recently made an ogryn in Only War, the measures come from there

Also cites ogryns being around 250 kg, which is really different from the cited 1 ton in the wikis

[plush mason]

the 1 ton is beyond stupid yeah

[final spruce]

Not really, bulls weight around 1 ton and I'd argue that an ogryn is as strong and big as one

[plush mason]

i think half a ton is more realistic

[final spruce]

Anyway, they big lads

[plush mason]

ye

lol the average bull weights between 1100 pounds and 2200 pounds

[thin crescent]

http://i.imgur.com/6jjsiar.jpg

I grant that this could be on the tallest end.

[dusk patrol]

Who the hell is claiming my lad Kruber is a paltry 5 feet and some change?

That’s the real Heresy!

Rest of the chart is good though

[storm jungle]

🙏

[dusk patrol]

I will say though that marine height can be somewhat equally variable, but official descriptions are very lacking.

Like you have marines like Voss who are shorter than some guardsmen.

[plush mason]

tbf that is a historically realistic height for a person living in a late medieval period so

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why I included the transparent figures in the back

[final spruce]

Seems like ontop of not reading they don't even look

[uneven temple]

Voss is an absolute U N I T

[final spruce]

They got no eyes I swear

[uneven temple]

Love that marine

His gains were so high they needed to give him wider armor

[dusk patrol]

Voss is a lad

Short as hell for a marine

But he’s as wide as he is tall

[uneven temple]

Deleted Facebook ✅

Hit the gym ✅

[dusk patrol]

Oh I didn’t see the transparent silhouettes

[uneven temple]

Lawyered up ✅

[dusk patrol]

I failed my perception check clearly

[storm jungle]

All good fam

[uneven temple]

Purged aliens with his xxxxl biceps ✅

[dusk patrol]

I love the Steve Parker DW books

Only good Deathwatch stories sadly

At least as far as I’ve read

[uneven temple]

I loved shadowbreaker

[dusk patrol]

On one hand, my Iron Hands got done dirty again

But

It was great

[shadow berry]

Is the any sort of collection of warhammer slang somewhere that can be conveniently accessed? Stuff like Vox, recaff, hab and etc.

[south spear]

How is the intelligence of an Ogryn vs an Ork?

[celest dome]

Depend on the Ogryn and the Ork

[south spear]

There's no average intelligence of the races to compare? It's that varied?

[plush mason]

more or less ya

[celest dome]

I'd say on average they are somewhat equal

But Ork have some thinky boys

Like Gazghul

That's one cunning lad

[plush mason]

but iirc the average ork is about as smart as the average human they just seem dumber due to their dialect and behaviors

ofc the average human in 40k is dumber than a sack of rocks so

[dusk patrol]

The average Ork is really really dumb

Remember most Orks we see are in major wagghhhs

[plush mason]

good point

[south spear]

What is biologically the strongest race?

Like if you were to put every race in an arena with nothing but a loincloth who would win?

[copper cliff]

Like the average member of each species? Cause those averages skew heavily

[south spear]

Lets say if each race were to send their strongest/best variant of their race @copper cliff

[copper cliff]

Krorks ez

Korks were like an army of primarchs, the best of them would fuck up anything.

[fierce grail]

Its a potential

[scenic bolt]

hands down nids, biologically speaking as said, no race has examples the size of battleships

[odd palm]

^ was about to say. They can biologically engineer the strongest ‘nid

[coarse mirage]

Peoples digestion has to be really fucked up in Warhammer 40k

[vestal wing]

Depends, there could be some nonsense evolutionary trait wherein those poor sods actually enjoy it

[hazy lotus]

No doubt! Tyranids ARE their own equipment, in a manner of speaking 😛

So yeah...'nids'd win every no equip arena fight!

They could even match Krorks, putting Carnifex or Hive Tyrant against one of em

[full bane]

Carnifex? Nah, Biotitan.
Or Hive Ship

Field an unarmed member of your faction.
Tyranids: I've got a fully functional spaceship

[thin crescent]

Harridan... I make my own army!

[lavish quarry]

The strongest species is a named spacemarine

They have plot armor for days

[full bane]

Codex: Movie Marines

[hot kelp]

Marines for candy bars

[rapid dock]

No, but most slang can be easily deciphered enough once you know what they're referring to
'vox' = speaker or vocal augmentation
'recaff' = coffee
'hab' = shorthand for habitation zone

[copper cliff]

I think Vox refers generally to technology used to project communications. Basically like radio in public areas that say news

[rapid dock]

yeah that also applies

[copper cliff]

Idk why its called vox doe. Probably designed by someone named John Vox

[rapid dock]

vox is 'voice' in latin. The Imperium's slang and terms are often just stolen from latin

[opaque vessel]

Voxcasters as that is the full name of the technology is just called "voice caster "

[copper cliff]

Yeah but also Landraider was named after a guy named Arkan Land

So naming conventions can be inconsistent

[rapid dock]

yeah fair enough

[opaque vessel]

True

Imagine if the golden throne was designed by someone named jack golden

[rapid dock]

Jack Throne

[copper cliff]

Jacked up yo throne

[rapid dock]

no it was designed by someone named Golden Throne

[copper cliff]

Lasgun designer was named John "Las" Gun

[full bane]

Don't forget all the jokes about the Emperor's name being Jimmy Space to explain why they're Space Marines, only for the books to make the person in charge of the Astartes Legion genemodding be called Astarte.

[astral shell]

Quick question here!, Do ogryn have range weapons thats not shotgun? Something that can shoot straight, like heavy bolter or something?

[tired umbra]

There will be an LMG.

[fierce pendant]

If leaks are true we get a heavy stubber for ogryn and there's also grenade gauntlet which shoots straight, but it's also explosive.https://imgur.com/a/rHJ9EyS

[tired umbra]

They can pretty much wield any big weapon in lore.

But prefer Rippergun since it's easy and simple

[fierce pendant]

This is suppousedly what we might get for Ogryn https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wKDd88hC6AYtOeirwj9Z-5KjA1YTH-men2YHxosdhGs/https/i.imgur.com/YT9vUeC.png

Given the leaks

and so far everything was on point with it.

[astral shell]

Noice!

[thorny nebula]

Im sold 🔨

[trim kiln]

Source?

[fierce pendant]

Literally link above, also let's move this to #theorycrafting

[hushed cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/war-hammer-fantasy-gif-19395056

[edgy yacht]

i hate that man so much that I am upset that we even found the northwest passage

[hushed cosmos]

I'm slowly but surely working my way through his heresy

[edgy yacht]

the fact that the boat that ultimately revolutionized global shipping was named the erebus is wild

maybe global trade was the chaos blade all along

[sweet trail]

Lmao

That is glorious.

[hushed cosmos]

Ha, that is a fantastic fact

[edgy yacht]

good thing about the IRL erebus was that it was destroyed down to a single mast if only we were so lucky in the lore

[hushed cosmos]

That single mast is more than it deserved

[edgy yacht]

also more erebus lore is that the greek demigod erebus was the son of chaos

like if the big E just read up on his mythos he wouldve seen this coming

[hushed cosmos]

Now that I did know. But please, I love fun facts so keep going

[hushed cosmos]

All those books he read and what did it get him

[edgy yacht]

I know no other erebus facts

[rancid tide]

"An open mind is a like fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded."

Librarian SwagishLordicus of the Dank marines

or smthn

[edgy yacht]

literally heard this same analogy from those cringe redpill podcasts

big e was a cringe podcaster confirmed, it spread to his children

[rancid tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45qqSF0MPHk reminds me of this

[edgy yacht]

yeah this is a classic

[rancid tide]

I wonder whats the lore explanation for us having all types of gear in game

like it even says black market

we're under the inquisition

in a sense they are the market

[edgy yacht]

well we are under someone who is definitely a radical inquisitor so it makes sense for them to utilize a helpful blackmarket or two

[rancid tide]

hmmm guess so

dude has squads of Kriegsmen, cadians, and vostroyans run around in full uniform like he's playing with the new codex

[edgy yacht]

He got the codex early

I want the psyker ability to raise yarrick from the dead to fight for me

[rancid tide]

necromancy is just instant delete for suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

I wonder when this is in the timeline tho

[arctic talon]

Grendyl?

[rancid tide]

ah wait im dumb

[arctic talon]

Oh

Darktide is post indomitus crusade

[rancid tide]

literally shows cadia as alderran

[arctic talon]

And post great rift

Might be why the warp transition in the trailer was so bad

They might have went through the great rift

[rancid tide]

Twas not a good time

[crisp heath]

@arctic talon you

[north siren]

Yeah when watching the trailer I was like "some ones skipped out on renewing their wards"

[arctic talon]

Might have been freshly warded lol

They just had a bad time anyways

Because warp travel somehow sucks even more now

[north siren]

Could be worse, could have to fight a possessed servitor.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[edgy yacht]

servitor main class when

1st dlc class right there

[crisp heath]

Let me be a flaggelent

[north siren]

Honestly I liked someone's idea of having AI players be replaced by servitors

[arctic talon]

I wonder if we’ll have a servitor enemy

[crisp heath]

Let me get hyped up on combat drugs and have images of the emperor beamed onto my monitor

[edgy yacht]

lets say hypothetically I was a very bad servitor, could I get reprimanded by the tech priest

[arctic talon]

I wonder

If a melee guardsmen

Is gona be drugged up

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[edgy yacht]

[arctic talon]

Dismantled for spare parts

[crisp heath]

Also how come the psyker can’t cause warp perils

[arctic talon]

Gameplay reasons

They don’t want people to troll Allies

[edgy yacht]

true as a psyker main I want to be violently pulled apart by tentacles of the warp

if I pop one too many heads

[arctic talon]

Despite the fact the psyker probsbly would

Explode into a mass of tentacles

[edgy yacht]

I want to play out the rest of the raid as a changling

[crisp heath]

I want to be able to accidentally invert the person standing next to me and my self instantly killing both of us

[edgy yacht]

I want to turn 5 cells of the dude next to me into catfish cells which causes the ogryn to sniff it out and eat him

[crisp heath]

Or summoning a warp entity

[crisp heath]

Yummy

I would like to cast smite on the heretic

*rolls a one

[arctic talon]

One is fine

2 ones

Is really bad

2 sixes is uh

Also really bad

[crisp heath]

Zased in the worst way possible

The only army with psykers that I have are dg and I used to be able to disgustingly resilient warp perils

But they took that away from me in the most codex

[rustic spruce]

Are virus bombs banned from being used on tyranids?

[plush mason]

why would they be?

[odd palm]

Not banned, but like a few exterminatus weapons. Caution is recommended unless you are 100% sure you can wipe out the entire hive fleet.
Afterall you don't want them developing immunity

[plush mason]

iirc there is one kind of virus bomb that makes all biological matter explode after the initial explosion and as the nids are literally all biomatter that would be disgustingly effective against them i would think

[thin crescent]

Yeah. Check out the lore on Tallarn for a better description.

It doesn't make things explode. Just turns em into a pile of soup.

Toxic, sulphur dioxide soup.

[plush mason]

oh. well then that is bloody useless against nids. all that does is pre cook the meal for them

[crisp heath]

best kind of soup

[half aurora]

Who is your favorite dreadnaught and why is it Bray'arth Ashmantle?

[thin crescent]

Not really. Nids get turned into soup too, but the planet is uninhabitable for a while afterwards.

[dawn shoal]

So why even try to save a planet if you can just destroy everything on it and create food for the rest of the populace

[edgy yoke]

Just get a bunch of fellas armed with bolters loaded with hellfire rounds and hope for the best

[thin crescent]

You might be taking the term soup too literally. Goo might be a better term.

[odd palm]

Close, but I choose Furibundus

[half aurora]

The virus bomb turns living matter into explosive gas. They wait for it to spread across the surface of the planet, eating all biological material. Once that is done they send an explosive round into the atmosphere to ignite the gas. This sends a firestorm raging across the surface of the planet killing anything that might have survived the virus.

[cyan oxide]

We have arrived…. It is now that we preform out charge…

[thin crescent]

The Life-Eater Virus, as used on Isstvan III and Stalinvast, is terrifyingly voracious, capable of spreading across the entire surface of a planet in a matter of minutes. The virus can penetrate power armour and rebreathers. The virus quickly rots and breaks down anything of biological origin, reducing it to sludge.

The rapid breakdown of organic matter releases tremendous amounts of flammable gas. The gas eventually ignites, either on its own or with the intentional insertion of an incendiary device,

[arctic talon]

the "soup"

is toxic

and also highly explosive

[thin crescent]

Exactly. Bad scene for folks on the ground.

[half aurora]

Yeah, I forgot about the sludge part

Rough stuff

[odd palm]

Forbidden soup

[arctic talon]

on the upside

[odd palm]

[arctic talon]

it leaves infastructure intact

[thin crescent]

Spicy soup 😄

[arctic talon]

The nids trying out

the nurgle nid soup

is still one of the funniest exerpts to me

[cyan oxide]

Well if the soup is explosive the infrastructure won’t last long

[half aurora]

Not always. The flamestorm created is powerful enough to destroy a lot of the infrastructure on a planet

[arctic talon]

The virus bomb itself

doesn't destroy infastructure

the firestorm thats lit however

does lol

[crisp heath]

classic

[arctic talon]

The Doom of Hesp

Vectoriums of the 4th and 7th engage the Tyranids of Hive Fleet Lotan amidst the steaming jungles of Hesp. When the swarms deploy Toxicrenes and Venomthropes to poison the environment, the Death Guard respond with plague spells, virus bombs and daemonic diseases. With neither side willing to back down, the atmosphere of Hesp becomes ever more toxic until the jungles, and even the warring armies, are reduced to a gory, bubbling soup. The first Tyranid hive ship to taste this poisoned slurry recoils, its proboscis melting, and is bombarded into oblivion by the rest of its fleet. Hesp is left as an endless sea of toxic slime, too virulent for even the hive fleets to devour.

Nurgle soup

[odd palm]

Now that is the forbidden soup

[plush mason]

i bet he loved that gift

[minor lance]

The Life-Eater virus is conceptually hilarious. Like, it's over-the-top silly even for 40K.

[arctic talon]

mfw

the hivemind thinks that

the soup consisting of a bunch of diseased things + its most poisonous creatures

would make a good snack

[thin crescent]

Over the top? Clearly you don't know 40K. I suggest you look at the Wiki for Phosphex.

[arctic talon]

Phosphex is hilarious

and by hilarious I mean its so evil a tech priest destroyed the STC

[minor lance]

"Even for 40K"

[arctic talon]

and then was executed via phosphex

[plush mason]

lol

[minor lance]

Like, usually the stuff in 40K is at least vaguely believable, but the LE virus is just funny.

[thin crescent]

The tree of liberty must be watered from time to time, I mean burned down by the tech priests.

[half aurora]

I think it is the perfect example of the type of over the top bullshit that is 40k, like if someone who doesn't know 40k asked me to describe how over the top it is, I would use the life eater virus as my prime example

[thin crescent]

Yeah, that or a two stage Cyclonic torpedo.

[cyan oxide]

Do you guys think the tryanid hive mind is a warp entity or is just the collective souls of the nids connecting through the warp

[arctic talon]

Its prolly just the collective mind of all the synapase creatures

[thin crescent]

It's a psychic connection between all sentient nids.

[plush mason]

or the ork mad max style drag racer that literally tears a hole into hell to jump from point to point lol

[minor lance]

Is it? I think it's an order of magnitude sillier, Like, what even comes close to a virus that literally doesn't function like a virus but is a virus? I like the mental image of these like... little virons with jet wings strapped to them

[cyan oxide]

Would the nids be basically necrons but biological then in structure. The more command they have the more autonomous they become

[half aurora]

I don't think there is a "singular hivemind" each hivefleet has its own commanded by a mind that does not inhabit a singular body

[minor lance]

Nah, Necrons aren't a hivemind

[thin crescent]

No lore to support it, but I believe the real nids are their fleet.

Like all the REAL brains are on the ships.

[half aurora]

It is more of a severely aggressive bacteria but 40k is full of slightly wrong science stuff like "depleted deuterium"

[cyan oxide]

But in a way they are? The lowest grunts of necrons have little to no conscious but as you get further up the chain of command the more independent they become

[arctic talon]

They are "concious"

horrifyingly enough

but they can't really do much

[plush mason]

wtf is "depleted deuterium"?

[arctic talon]

Necron Warriors function based on commands and preprogramed battle orders

But they are still conscious beings

they just can't do anything

[odd palm]

Depleted Uranium but in the far future

[cyan oxide]

Techno Babel that doesn’t make sense over scrutiny

[plush mason]

lol

[half aurora]

Does a necromancer controlling a bunch of skeletons constitute a hive mind

[arctic talon]

Immortals on the otherhand start having actual sapience

And can do some independent thinking

Deathmarks are fully sapient

[full bane]

Random wording used to describe the armor piercing tips of bolt shells.

[arctic talon]

but have no emotions what so ever

[thin crescent]

Yeah. Deuterium is a hydrogen isoptope, so not exactly the densest thing on the periodic table.

[arctic talon]

Crypteks and above

have like

[minor lance]

I am now headcannoning bacteria with little jetwings

[arctic talon]

actual emotions and sapiance

[thin crescent]

And depleted? So it's just a hydrogen nucleus?

[half aurora]

There is lore that bolter rounds have a core of depleted deuterium

[minor lance]

It's a little vague for immortals. Since they can have enough sapience to actually command squads and take lead, as per Kill Team.

[arctic talon]

The new KT boxset confirms them as sapient

but very like

stiff

[plush mason]

arent they "small bombs that explode inside their targets"?

[thin crescent]

Yeah, small rockets.

[arctic talon]

They aren't really all there in terms of emotion

and thinking that doesn't involve combat

but there is like a mind working in there

[plush mason]

oh who the hell am i kidding. this is GW we are talking about. nothing in the lore is consistent

[arctic talon]

lol

[thin crescent]

FACTS!

[odd palm]

Mmm, confirms what has been slowly hinted at over the years.
i.e Lucius being reborn from a necron warrior iirc

[arctic talon]

yeah

also more like "alive" immortals can become Despotek's

[cyan oxide]

Deuterium exist just at the time that lore was written the writers just thought it sounded cool and didn’t understand what it was. In reality it can’t really be used the way they think it can

[arctic talon]

which are higher ranking immortals

[odd palm]

Hmmm, looking very nice

[half aurora]

Yeah they have a mass reactive warhead but in the realm of "it sounds cool" in the lore it has a "depleted deuterium" core to "help penetration"

[minor lance]

That's the one

[arctic talon]

yeah

Despotek's are like the smartest and most like

[plush mason]

i was told it was a necron lord not a warrior. but that could just be typical fanon miscommunication

[arctic talon]

it was a warrior

[plush mason]

lol

[minor lance]

The more Necron lore we get, the more they are just Tomb Kings in space

[arctic talon]

There's so much dumb shit

about Lucius floating around

thats fanon

[plush mason]

that honestly makes Lucius an even more shit character to me

[half aurora]

Yeah a lot of 40k has to be dealt with by a lot of hand waving and a heavy dose of suspended disbelief

[arctic talon]

but Lucius is gona come back

no matter what

as long as Slaanesh finds them funny

[cyan oxide]

A simple retcon they can do is that the deuterium core is the explosive payload. And then it becomes a small fusion bomb

[odd palm]

I've heard it described as "she" took pride in the kill, but really it's not terribly important.
Just that Lucius was reborn from the average Necron Warrior

[plush mason]

is he not one of the best duelists in the EC?

[odd palm]

If not the galaxy

[plush mason]

then why the fucking hell does he lose so many duels

[arctic talon]

because

he throws on purpose

[odd palm]

But immortality has dulled his blade and made his reckless.
What's a death matter when you can come back

[arctic talon]

he wants to have a good time

yeah

he doesn't care about winning his duels anymore

if he puts his heart into it

[plush mason]

makes sense

[arctic talon]

he out duels anyone

but like

its boring to him

he wants to have fun

Same reason why he constantly changes swords

his sword during the HH is his like 19th sword

[cyan oxide]

Should duel caiphous cain

[thin crescent]

Lucius from the Emperors Children?

[arctic talon]

yes

[half aurora]

necrons
tomb kings

[full bane]

The mention of depleted deuterium in the 3rd Ed stuff

[odd palm]

There's a few people who he'd struggle with.
Primarchs, Phoenix Lords, Cato Sicarius, Maybe some Necron Lords I know nothing but the basics about the 'crons

[arctic talon]

sword on his back is literally called 19 kekw

[thin crescent]

Lucius was Fulgrims captain/lieutenant or whatevs. All the Emp Chils fought regularly in duels.

[arctic talon]

He'd def struggle against all those

A basic necron lord

kicked Molocs ass lol

[odd palm]

lmao

[minor lance]

But they're the same thing

[dusk patrol]

He did also lose to a Lynchguard at some point