40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

But Grox is also somewhat “common”

Because they’re able to exist in almost any environment

[sacred hemlock]

Thought grox were too aggressive to be domesticated? Maybe I'm confusing with other animal

[dusk patrol]

They are

They still farm them

They’re extremely hard to keep penned in, are territorial, and dangerous

But they also can be bred on almost any world

Have a ton of meat

And taste fucking amazing

[sacred hemlock]

oh basically fun farms, get your ass kicked everytime you need to butcher one

[dusk patrol]

Basically

Grimdark animal husbandry.

[sacred hemlock]

[dusk patrol]

Worth it all for the Groxburgers though

[sacred hemlock]

Very informative

[dusk patrol]

That’s consistent though, Grox burgers are fucking amazing

[sacred hemlock]

Everyone in the Imperium enjoys a Grox burger

Notes taken

[prime tapir]

Where’s the chaos entity representing all the billions upon billions of slaughtered groxes

[celest dome]

So they are kangoruus farm then ? But the kangoruus are crossed with Crocodile

[dusk patrol]

Something like that.

This is an older art piece of them

I believe this is fanart

For a more recent take

I think they’re also able to subsist on almost any food.

[gray mulch]

Probably some combination of nearby worlds that are mostly dedicated to farming, and probably some growing of mushrooms or something in all the organic waste a hive produces

[prime tapir]

Even the animal husbandy is grimdark haha

They have to lobotomize the grox, otherwise they just kill each other and the handlers

[dusk patrol]

Yup

They are not herd animals at all

But yeah corpse starch is generally depicted as a last resort and isn’t that common, or at least it’s not a primary thing used.

[celest dome]

Memelore is the blessing and the curse of warhammer 40k

[dusk patrol]

Also it’s mostly for the one people at the absolute bottom

[celest dome]

Less so for fantasy/AoS

[dusk patrol]

Cannibalism is very much not considered cash money by most of the Imperium still

the Blood Angels didn’t like that

[celest dome]

Flesh Easter did not like that

[dusk patrol]

Or Blood Drinkers

Say what you will, Blood Angels chapters get to the point with their names

Guess what Flesh Tearers like to do?

[gray mulch]

They sound like they have a deep appreciation for baking

[storm jungle]

Also like

tasteless gruel is about as bad tbh

you can pretty much go as insane eating that every day

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they’re not jazzing up that mass of corn and wheat they send in much.

[storm jungle]

Not even rat burgers 😔

https://tenor.com/view/ratburger-rat-demolitionman-sandra-bullock-sylvester-stallone-gif-24799478

[dusk patrol]

Fortunately, we still have the humble Grox. The one reason to live.

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-krabby-patty-bite-gif-9865208

[fair ravine]

do admech get along with the iron hands

[celest dome]

Yes, seem to be a bit more than with other Legion
https://www.reddit.com/r/IronHands40k/comments/oafyiw/do_the_iron_hands_have_any_ties_with_the_adeptus/

[fair ravine]

nice

i figured they have to share a lot of ideals

[rustic spruce]

do the legion of the damned just appear out of thin air

[copper cliff]

They materialize like daemons

[dusk patrol]

A lot of times they’ll just be at a location where they’re needed before anyone arrives and disappear without any fanfare or anything

[odd cairn]

Aye which one of you niggas can explain dreadnaughts to me? Are all them bitches old as fuck? Or are they still being made

[dusk patrol]

Their age varies, they are still being made, but some like Contemptors and Leviathan dreads can’t be anymore

Newest are Redemptor dreads which only Primaris marines can be put in.

[odd cairn]

Oh ok, I guess that's where my confusion was. Thanks G

[copper cliff]

So if conrad Kurze was like a righteous vigilante who murdered criminals why are the night lords the most horrific criminals ever? It feels like a weird shift and I can't even say why. I just imagine it's like if dexter started a cult of serial killers that only kill the most innocent people.

Not saying he was ever a good chill dude. But its kind of a 180 to be like: I hate crime so much I'm gonna serial kill criminals to be like: actually being a criminal is pretty based.

[snow mantle]

He and his boys started to enjoy the punishment more than the peace it upheld

[arctic talon]

Also he had a bunch of criminals shipped into his legion from nostromo

Instead of just normal recruits

[snow mantle]

Yeah. Not as much indoctrination to blank out their recruits then, so some real nasty types started getting lessons in "administering justice" from the Legion

[copper cliff]

I think it'd also make sense if Curze just started to view all of humanity as potential criminals and so was like, if we kill them first they can't do crime.

[south spear]

I'm just getting into 40k, I come from Warhammer fantasy

Idk if that's shunned apon or not but here I am lol

[arctic talon]

It’s not shunned apon lul

They’re just dif settings is all

[copper cliff]

I shun you. Get shunned.

[arctic talon]

Drowndrowndrowndrown

[copper cliff]

Sorry. Too busy shunning.

[snow mantle]

Nah. When he was lucid he was actually a fair ruler. It's just when he WASNT, he always saw the worst possible ending from his visions, and saw them as rock solid prophecy, unlike Sanguinius who didn't have that particular flaw with foresight.

[snow mantle]

Definitely not. Welcome brother.

[south spear]

Ty 😃

[snow mantle]

I dunno how wacky it is in Fantasy, but the lore for 40k is...intentionally irritating to follow.

"All of it is Canon, not all of it is True" is a phrase that'll get thrown round.

Tons of it is inuniverse propaganda, some is straight up lying, and it walks back on itself often. Just go slow and enjoy whatcha can

[rustic spruce]

Do necron infantry all move in synchronized lock step

I remember hearing somewhere that their movement tends to be synced with each other

[snow mantle]

It certainly fits their mindless obedience to do so when ordered together

[mossy mortar]

Yeah it rules

[rustic spruce]

The fact that imotekh can’t plan around orks is always funny to me

[rustic spruce]

what was the name of that one extremely large stationary artillery weapon the imperial guard sometimes build called?

[dusk patrol]

Ordinatus?

Its the Ad Mech if that what you mean but I think that's what you mean

[arctic talon]

Ornidatus’s are also mobile

[rustic spruce]

I might have been thinking of basilisk magnus from DoW

though i'm not sure if those pop up much in other works

[arctic talon]

It’s only appearance is in dawn of war

[rustic spruce]

When exactly did the mechanicus split off of humanity proper and start doing their own operations/religion

[hushed kayak]

like when they started becoming bat shit crazy to machines having spirit?

[rustic spruce]

At some point they escalated from mars manufacturing to “all hail the omnissiah!”

[arctic talon]

Dark age of techonolgy

The mechanicum was the faction that emerged victorious

[hushed kayak]

somewhere between age of technology to the great crusade

[arctic talon]

The mechanicum also did a much better job then Big E unifying their planet

Ironically

But they had a head start

[hushed kayak]

the emperor knew of their existence for a long time, but not sure HOW long. That’s why i say between those 3 ages

[arctic talon]

They def didn’t exist in the golden age

Is what we know

Or rather dark age of technology

[hushed kayak]

i mean from age of technology to the great crusade. they might’ve started their cult during slaneesh birth but who knows

that’s why i say between those 3

[plush mason]

do any of the other sol system colonies still exist in the 41st millennium?

like the Saturn moon colonies for instance

[hushed kayak]

not sure, but most of them aren’t even inhabitable. I know most of the moons had stations.

[arctic talon]

Yes

Saturn is still a huge shipyard + inquisition stronghold

[plush mason]

i see

[hushed kayak]

RIIIIGHT

i forgot that huge ring is a shipyard

[arctic talon]

Mercury is also colonized

Idfk how

Ask GW

[hushed kayak]

wait what

[arctic talon]

The moon is the sisters of silences strong hold

And by extension a custodes one

[arctic talon]

Yeah idk lol

Also Neptune is still inhabited

Or rather the stations around and inside it

Same with Jupiter

[hushed kayak]

….

[arctic talon]

Pluto is still an outpost

[arctic talon]

I don’t write the lore kekw

[copper cliff]

Pluto is 3 guys and a pack mule

[hushed kayak]

how the fuck did the imperium made it into a heat storm in jupiter. Better yet who’s writing this shit

[arctic talon]

Jupiter is a massive shipyard

[arctic talon]

Also they don’t have space stations in Jupiter

It’s a giant shipyard around it

Also it’s dark age of technology bullshit

[hushed kayak]

okay that makes sense, but mercury???

[arctic talon]

Not the imperiums handiwork

Idk

Ask GW

Dark age of technology bullshit is the answer

[plush mason]

i mean. DAoT humans where near god level of advanced so terraforming mercury is far from out of the question

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[hushed kayak]

NaNoMaChInEs SoN

[arctic talon]

Every planet in the solar system

Has some form of like

Human presence

And any large moons as well

[hushed kayak]

literally 80% of the time the moons always have an outpost

[copper cliff]

Why is it called the dark age if shit was so based?

[arctic talon]

Because it led to the men of iron uprising lul

[hushed kayak]

because they were so powerful, their technology screwed them over

[plush mason]

it was rebranded that after the man of iron rebellion. before it was known as the golden age

[copper cliff]

Itd be like retroactively calling 1920-30s the dark age of technology because then world War 2 happened. Then again. This IS the imperium so.

[arctic talon]

Also it’s called the dark age of technology as well since it uh

Led up to the little slaanesh birth incident

[copper cliff]

Sex isn't technology

[arctic talon]

So out of nowhere during the golden age everything went to shit

Twice

Once with the men of iron rebelling

Twice with slaanesh being born and causing the materium to shit itself

[copper cliff]

Yeah golden ages end. Why they gotta be freaks about it.

[plush mason]

Golden age humans would only laugh at the imperium/question even calling the people in it human

[hushed kayak]

wait he’s right, slaneesh birth caused warp storms

they relied too much heavily on technology and trades during that time

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh’s birth

Fucked up humanity so badly

Like it hurt the eldar way more

But it was really bad for humanity

[plush mason]

damn eldar ruin everything

[arctic talon]

BFGA2 has like

The birth scream of slaanesh in it

And it’s pretty horrifying

[copper cliff]

Yeah because it was practical to. You don't call a golden age "actually its a dark age" because the golden age ENDED. Its still the roaring twenties for a reason. They just ENDED.

But memes aside it makes sense for the imperium to brand it as a dark age because the imperium are psychotic and parasocial to a vegetable.

[hushed kayak]

link

[arctic talon]

https://youtu.be/9xfNkWpnOWM

[plush mason]

yeah its the cutseen you get where you first battle an eldar/deldar fleet

[hushed kayak]

well to be fair, the imperium before the horus heresy wasn’t batshit crazy

[plush mason]

define crazy

[copper cliff]

X to doubt. They put a guy like angron in charge of something important

[arctic talon]

It was definetly crazy compared to the golden age

[arctic talon]

But they weren’t

As insane

[hushed kayak]

that was her scream????

jesus christ

[plush mason]

yeah

or well. the game's take on it

[arctic talon]

Honestly

I’d say it’s not horrifying enough

[plush mason]

for all of BFGA2's failings its cutseens and trailers where not one of them

[copper cliff]

Are you guys sure its a scream and not just a spooky audio stinger?

[arctic talon]

It’s intended to be the birth scream of slaanesh

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Aka what noise marines try to recreate

[copper cliff]

It tapers off weirdly at the end and just sounds like a horror movie stinger

[plush mason]

you can see the start of the great rift in that bit at the start. still gets me

[hushed kayak]

to think trillions died from that, well humanity suffer 1 million casualties once a day

[arctic talon]

More then trillions

Died from it prolly

The eldar most likely numbered in the quadrillions

Pre fall

They’re down to trillions now

[copper cliff]

And not just died. They got like. Slaaneshed.

[arctic talon]

Which in the grand scheme of things in 40k

Is uh

Pretty close to extinction

[hushed kayak]

seeing how they suffered from the times to the old ones, i’d say it’s pretty massive

[arctic talon]

Honestly the eldar brought upon their own suffering

But I feel really bad for the craftworld eldar and exodites

The dark eldar deserve their fate

[hushed kayak]

fr

[arctic talon]

It’s also funny how the dark eldar have pre fall technology

[plush mason]

https://youtu.be/-AEik1IKap4?list=PLFznDVzkakEwHdVF8KEPsFi3txEogTFqo

[arctic talon]

Only issue is you need psychic powers to use it snd

The dark eldar aren’t psychic lol

Not anymore

[dusk patrol]

And can’t be anyways

Also can’t really use psykers

[copper cliff]

Being a psyker dark Eldar is basically the suicide hotline but the hotline is requesting suicide

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[hushed kayak]

let’s not forget Slaneesh ate a shit load of eldar and their gods soul.

making he…she….it strong as hell

[arctic talon]

They’re a chaos god plain and simple

Juiced up on the eldar sure

But I wouldn’t call them the strongest

[plush mason]

https://youtu.be/yQ7MIPxXuag?list=PLFznDVzkakEwHdVF8KEPsFi3txEogTFqo

[hushed kayak]

y’know that’s what makes me wonder, out of all the chaos gods. Who greatly gains more out of humanity

slaneesh emotion, khorne fighting, nurgle death.

[arctic talon]

In 40k?

Khorne

[copper cliff]

Khorne. Everyone's got blood and skulls

[arctic talon]

100% lol

In AoS tzeentch prolly wins out

Just due to how much all the factions are conspiring against each other

Mfw order fights itself more often then they fight chaos

[hushed kayak]

i always assume tzeentch is at the bottom. But the others always gets me thinking who’s stronger

[copper cliff]

Mfw orks are wildin in every franchise

[arctic talon]

Orcs in AoS are cool

Since they have some level of diplomacy lol

But they still have that batshit insane

Love fighting thing

[copper cliff]

Their diplomacy is working together until the its time to fight again. And then fighting

[arctic talon]

Yeah pretty much lol

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aHsekhCfLM&list=PLFznDVzkakEwHdVF8KEPsFi3txEogTFqo&index=3

[arctic talon]

Also they prioritize chaos over order usually since

If chaos wins no more fighting

Or rather no more fighting the orks would enjoy lol

[copper cliff]

Yeah which was the same energy as end times i think for grimgor's Waagh. If chaos wins no more fighting.

[hushed kayak]

that one time when there was a waaagh in the eye of terror

[copper cliff]

Orks love fighting khorne

Youz a melee foighta? Us too!

[tall hinge]

Tuska Daemon-Killa ❤️

[plush mason]

aka the waaagh that found ork heaven

[copper cliff]

I wanna write an ork that had such a perfect fight he can never recreate it and just gets more frustrated everytime until he's depressed. All his opponents taking it real serious and he's just like: youz not the same git!

[hushed kayak]

can’t believe that was a thing

[hushed kayak]

isn’t that the same scenario where khorne keeps resurrecting the same orkz to keep fighting in his realm

[copper cliff]

No cause they aren't picky, they're vibing.

I mean an ork who views fights like a rhythm game and randoms keep ignoring the imaginary beat!

[dusk widget]

Zenos yae Galvus but ork

[acoustic yacht]

A TEST OF YOUR REFLEXES

[rose thorn]

AHAHAHAHA

THUNDER WARRIORS LOOK LIKE CUSTODIES

LIKE ONE FOR ONE LMAO

[storm jungle]

Astartes Moment

[celest dome]

That's a Vth legion Space Marine

[storm jungle]

It's not

[dusk patrol]

It’s old old old TW art

Older than most of the people on this discord

[livid cloak]

All most time

[hazy bay]

so, idk about yall, but after watching the newest trailer, im kind of confused about the function of gellar fields. From how i've heard it depicted it kept warp entities out, specifically to prevent the kind of influence we see ebbing into the inquisitors ship as they careen through the warp. If all it does is sort of bottle neck warp entities ability to connect to the inhabitants, why don't frequent warp goers go insane on a regular basis? especially psykers? I'm aware astropaths do, but i've not heard of people having their shit rocked after long bouts of "safe" warp travel (That meaning as safe as warp travel can be with shutters, functioning gellar fields, etc)

it's vv possible I don't have the breadth of knowledge I need, any may very well be forgetting instances in books i've read, but either way, i'm still confused at the depiction

[storm jungle]

Entirely about the part of the ship the affected people are in

for example the part we see is most likely shielded enough as to not affect the soldiers/guardsman/ogryns + other personnel in it

same goes for the bridge and the navigator chamber

now on the other hand the lower decks

Thats usually where mutants and other aberrant stuff pop up if the Warp influence is too strong, the ship is usually big enough to keep them huddled down there tho until crew sweeps come through it

[hazy bay]

ah, I see! I had thought that gellar fields were installed in classes relative to the ships they're installed in for appropriate coverage (for example: larger class fields for larger ships etc) though I suppose there's quite a bit of ground to cover on an inquisitors ship given the relative standard strength of gellar fields. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[dusk knot]

Also probably explains why they’re strapped in

[rose thorn]

Oh my fucking god okay this has nothing to do with anything but i use to have the exact same username everywhere

And I had flash backs to all my chingy Xbox days

[dusk knot]

Thanks

[rustic spruce]

Do the custodes induct new members or is the same people from 30k

[dusk patrol]

They have mostly all been replaced since

There’s only one Custodes from 30k era we know of iirc and he’s a dread

There definitely could be more though

But most of the Custodes we see are old but not that old

Also doesn’t help that by the end of the siege only a few hundred existed

Roughly

We don’t have exact numbers yet

[rain leaf]

the field emitters are round, the ships are blocky, its not uncommon to have more than one small field retrofitted rather than one big generator. Bad Maintenance, damage, power surges and the overwhelming warp with whatever lurks within tend to make holes in the coverage, you got to remember alot of those ships are thousands of years old, traded hands over generations. Especialy Rouge trader vessels which are often hodgepodges of other ships, adjustments and whatnot to better fit the Lord in question.

[rustic spruce]

Do chapters have any special burial rites for dreadnoughts?

[dusk patrol]

I can’t recall any mentions a special for burials but if the person entombed inside dies they try to recover the dreadnought itself and I assume they would bury the body the same way they would bury a chapter hero or honored member

The Dreadnought itself can often be recovered and repaired when the person inside doesn’t survive

[rustic spruce]

What causes certain orks like the beast and ghazghkull to become smart

[copper cliff]

WAAAAAGH energy and being chosen of Gork and Mork. Though whether Gork and Mork are proper gods or just WAAAAGH manifest I think is up to interpretation.

[dusk patrol]

For Ghaz he took a blast to the head or something and had a surgery which made him see visions of Gork and Mork.

And he went from there.

[copper cliff]

It could be he just had hallucinations and collective WAAAAGH energy made it real.

not that it really matters. orks gonna ork. He just did it but more.

Personally I like to think Ghaz is just hearing random shit and interpreting it weirdly.

[celest dome]

Basically DNA luck

[rustic spruce]

I wonder how much credence there is to the belief that yarrick is strong because the orks believe he is strong

[copper cliff]

He's probably for sure tougher because of Orks thinking he's strong but don't mistake the WAAGH is being able to make someone unfathomably powerful unless they're an ork but that's cause their biology literally changes in order to accommodate their reputation. So Yarrick was probably tougher but not inhumanely so

[dusk patrol]

Yeah thats not how the Waggghh works

[plush mason]

i do like that they made it seem like the wagghhh may or may not be able to indirectly influence the minds of others with how Yarrick got his laser eye

[slender orchid]

Waagh had nothing to do with his eye. He heard Orks thought he could kill with a glance, so had his eye modified to basically be a las pistol.

[plush mason]

which confirmed the orks' beliefs

so the question, which can never be answered unless the author of the story does, is did he have the digital weapon installed of his own invocation or because of the influence of the wagghh

[slender orchid]

The story does answer it. He chose to have it installed. The only bit Waagh energy influenced is when he used it on Orks it was more effective than it was otherwise.

[plush mason]

k

[full bane]

He chose is of his own volition, there's not much evidence that the warp influences the behaviour of non Orks.

[plush mason]

k

[full bane]

Outside of the one High Lord who went mad and painted himself green during the War of the Beast...
And the guy wasn't very sane and was trying to defect to the Orks.

[slender orchid]

Don't remember what part of the Yarrick books it is in, and only have paper so I can't easily reference it, but it goes into more detail too. Thanks for finding a source V!

[plush mason]

thanks for this

[broken zenith]

The Battle for Armageddon of Black Library as a sourcebook by Talima Fox

[plush mason]

and this is the problem with second hand information. that short story reads a lot differently than how it was recounted to me

[full bane]

Fanon in a nutshell

[plush mason]

yes

[rustic spruce]

A universe told from the perspective of unreliable narrators recounted by unreliable narrators

It’s the circle of life

[plush mason]

and unless you know the exact name of what you are trying too look for google is next to useless as you will get nothing but fanon in the results

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbDG_O52UtI

that did not take long

[storm jungle]

My guy needs those VIEWS

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rustic spruce]

Do nids evolve on the spot or does the hive mind make new nids with those evolutions in mind

[plush mason]

the twin spires being 50 to 80k feet tall is just perfectly warhammer 40k

[storm jungle]

They usually start from a base template and evolve from there with input both from the Hivemind and the Norn Queens in a capital ship in orbit

[plush mason]

a warlord titan is 50 meters tall right?

[rustic spruce]

33 meters iirc

[plush mason]

so you can stack 462 warlords into the twin spires assuming they are 50k feet in height

[full bane]

Very inconsistent, some books have described them being over a hundred meters, others at under thirty.

[plush mason]

given the gargantuan size of tertium 90 billion is a very small population

[storm jungle]

We got that pinned here

roughly or so around this size

no idea what half-the-height of the eiffel tower is atm since brain is fried tho so 💀

[plush mason]

i have never known it so sadly that chart tells me nothing

[storm jungle]

😔

[plush mason]

its 300m total

so warlords are around 150m tall?

the empire state building is 443m tall

[full bane]

Somewhere between 30 meters and 200 meters, depending on the source.
40k isn't consistent

[storm jungle]

When you stay at the bottom of it yeah its fucking massive

[full bane]

But the Mini scale makes it look around 30+ meters compared to humans

[storm jungle]

Knights meanwhile are roughly the size of UK telephone poles

[plush mason]

but is that mini actually to scale?

[storm jungle]

Nope

Titanicus is super inconsistent because its just miniatures

[quick jackal]

So here is a thought, this new trailer shows the warp translation as immediately causing hallucinations of demons and stuff, but it also only lasts a few seconds. What is happening there? Is the Gellar field failing? In almost every other lore source warp journeys can take days or longer, and while very much a disquieting experience they don't cause immediate hallucinations of demons.

[full bane]

Nope

The door on the back is the right size to let a Marine through

But the cockpit is a little bit off.

[plush mason]

yeah if this chart is accurate titans are way bigger than a lot of people say

[storm jungle]

Kinda.

[arctic talon]

Prolly just a really shitty trip

[storm jungle]

People overhype them a lot

[storm jungle]

Cinematic purposes.

[plush mason]

a lot of people tend to keep the titans at sub 100m

[full bane]

The Mini stands at around 26 inches in a 28mm scale game.

[quick jackal]

At some point a titan gets so huge that it makes no sense why it isn't simply a spaceship 😄

[plush mason]

and a literal fact of warhammer is the TT has almost nothing to do with lore. and very few minis are to scale. mostly cause they cant be

[storm jungle]

^

also entirely ignore the titan size

Imperators are roughly just a few city block sizes

people try to make them look like mountains lmao

[plush mason]

ye i was just asking cause i wanted to see how many titans could fit in the twin spires

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah i getcha

[plush mason]

cause that hive is massive. and basically empty

[quick jackal]

You could fit a few titans in there I'd think

I mean...

[plush mason]

if atoma's atmosphere is like earth's the spires are at least 2x the height of mount Everest

several hundred billion humans could easily live in a city of that size

[quick jackal]

Judging by how big that is compared to the curvature of the planet it's easily 500km tall and the whole city ring is about the size of texas.

[full bane]

Consistency in measurements/depictions in 40k isn't real

In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, There is only jank and speculation

[plush mason]

the only thing that is consistent in 40k is inconsistency

"all of it is canon. not all of it is true"

@storm jungle so a UK telegraph pole is anywhere from 30 to 100 feet

[storm jungle]

yeah your basic knight isnt as massive

[plush mason]

yeah but. i have always thought of them as just 40 feet at the tallest

[storm jungle]

that would be the bigger knight classes

whos names i forgot because Im not a knight fan

[plush mason]

the average height of said poles is 45 feet so

[storm jungle]

There it is, background lad

[plush mason]

wtf

[full bane]

That guy is a little bit taller than your average Questoris.

[plush mason]

i have never seen a knight like that

[full bane]

But like just a little

[storm jungle]

yeah its the Ultra Special Rich Boy one

[arctic talon]

The knight Dominus?

[storm jungle]

the others tend to be smaller

[plush mason]

he is literally a mini titan what the hell

[full bane]

It's a Castellan chassis

[full bane]

Those Armigers are small as hell

[arctic talon]

There’s an even bigger one

[plush mason]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Knight_Castellan

[full bane]

Don't forget the tall boys

[arctic talon]

This guy is the size of a warhound lol

[plush mason]

LOL

[arctic talon]

Chonkius maximus

Fuckin orb looking ass

[full bane]

Or the EXTRA CHONKY lads

[plush mason]

that mofo is literally a ball

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And tall

[plush mason]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Knight_Valiant

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2138210/Warhammer_40000_Inquisitor__Martyr__Sororitas_Class/

Steam

Warhammer 40,000: Inquisitor - Martyr - Sororitas Class

This DLC adds a new playable class to Warhammer 40,000: Inquisitor - Martyr: an Inquisitor with an Adepta Sororitas background.

Release Date

Nov 28, 2022

so the new class can be come a living saint

so anyone that goes the radical path with her. ima just call an idiot

[arctic talon]

Lol

Inquisitor martyr is so batshit insane

Ngl

[plush mason]

yes

i wonder how those new passives will play out

[quick jackal]

Darktide: "Nyoooo, our rejects couldn't possibly kill a chaos marine"
Inquisitor Martyr: "Let me just casually wipe out 3000 points of CSM in this corridor"

[plush mason]

oh and solo this chaos knight while im at it

[odd palm]

All in a days work

[quick jackal]

My biggest gripe with Inquisitor is that the Tyranids are all wrong in it. Hormagaunts are huge, Raveners are tiny somehow.

[plush mason]

the sororitas is honestly gona play like a unholy hybrid of crusader and psyker i imagine

[quick jackal]

That's not a bad thing necessarily

Playing as the pseudo space marine with a heavy bolter in Inquisitor is really fun.

[plush mason]

she will have a power halberd...

https://tenor.com/view/curiosity-curious-intrigued-interested-interesting-gif-14505707

[arctic talon]

Inquisitor martyr is trying to be fun not canon complyent

And it looks fun

So who am I to judge lol

[plush mason]

yes

its diablo with a 40k skin

[arctic talon]

Yep

[plush mason]

so ork "hair" is a squig?

[dusk patrol]

Yerp

[plush mason]

i swear. most of the ork canon lore sounds like meme lore

[rustic spruce]

Hair squigs also double as medical devices

[plush mason]

not at all surprising

literally nothing surprises me about this race anymore

[rustic spruce]

Wasn’t there a chaos marine chapter that got disturbed by one of the beasts human farms

[dusk patrol]

Which is hilarious since IW have done way worse

[rustic spruce]

Were they the ones responsible for the deamonculaba?

[rain leaf]

Yes to both.

[mossy mortar]

love john blanche

[rain leaf]

its fun to consider the fact that the IW had an Alpha+ Psyker, but were too focused on something else to hold that planet in the first place.

[mossy mortar]

they do go insane a lot

[mossy mortar]

I imagine due to scaling issues that the vehicles produced by different forgeworlds can actually be different sizes

[tight sigil]

Ty, I've been hyped for this class for a while and didn't see a release date notification for it. Edit: never mind, it's coming out immediately before darktide full release, I probably won't play Inquisitor for months.

[full bane]

100%, just look at the variance between Phobos and Mars pattern Land Raiders and Rhinos.

But then you hit Titan scaling numbers in the books and they just give up.

[mossy mortar]

I imagine yhe STC printouts had different units and they converted them wrong

[tough wadi]

Mmmm

[full bane]

Damnit Tech-Adept. Feet and Meters aren't interchangeable!

[mossy mortar]

Lol

There's a discussion in general on bolters

A 12 gauge is roughly similar to the claimed .75 caliber of bolter shells

So i was posting examples of a short barreled 12 gauge

[hushed kayak]

weird, i think the scaling is off. Unless the comparison is meant for human pattern.

[mossy mortar]

Human pattern, assuming projectile sizes are the same

That's plausibly what they'd look like in terms of magazine sizes snd proportions

[hushed kayak]

gyro jets just coming out of these is terrifying

[mossy mortar]

Lol they make a no stock version

That's straight up a bolter

Ridiculous

Imagine shooting that thing with no stock lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin-12

Actually the bolter acting like a 10 round version of the stub revolver would be awesome

https://youtu.be/e-uzOk3qj4Q

This thing is soo dumb loll

I love it

[rustic spruce]

how does chaos deal with orks since they're immune to corruption

[snow mantle]

With sharp objects, fire, or magic

[rustic spruce]

does ork battle even empower khorne?

[snow mantle]

Also they're not FULLY immune. Just very resistant. The orks are all pretty fulfilled by their Gork/Mork worship

If there's blood spilled, yes. Khorne ain't picky.

The chaos gods don't need worship or prayer - it's just added flavor, for a side dish.

[mossy mortar]

I think the ork psyche is directed at powering the ork gods instead of chsos

[full bane]

The Orks have the benefit of being one of the only War in Heaven races with a fully functioning Pantheon

[mossy mortar]

There might have been more ork gods at some point

Orks cant even remember which one is which now

[full bane]

Hard to tell, the Orks don't have much in the way of recorded history

Yeah

[mossy mortar]

Gork snd mork would probably be insanely powerful if they weren't busy fighting each other

[rustic spruce]

the dark angels's are gonna feel real stupid when they find out where johnson is

[full bane]

Dedicating their warfare to Gork and Mork makes the most sense as to why they don't get influenced by Khorne, in the same way that the Craftworlders dedicate their wartime efforts to Khaine (shattered though he might be) and use Warmasks to keep it from flowing into other parts of their life.

There's surprisingly few Chaos Xenos in 40k, most of them are long dead or close to extinction like the Yu'Vath or Ghanathaar.

[rustic spruce]

didn't the rift opening after the fall of cadia make the emperor start to move again?

[snow mantle]

He's becoming more active than he has been in
...a long damn while. Gathering strength and making moves in the warp

[rustic spruce]

how hard is it to stop an ork rok once it's close to a planet

[odd palm]

How close we talking? Upper atmosphere or still a way off?

[snow mantle]

With a shitload of ordinance and not much care for collateral damage, not very difficult if you fire off early enough!

[rustic spruce]

let's say halfway between the planet and said planet's moon

[odd palm]

Most worlds? I’d say they have a poor chance, unless I’m mistaken and the majority of the imperiums worlds are hive worlds

[rustic spruce]

Does Waaagh! energy produce a similar effect to a gellar field when orks warp travel?

[odd palm]

I don’t believe so, not unless there is a large collective of Orks that truly believe that their ‘field’ will work. And even then it’s up to chance.

Seems they usually rely on belief in their hulls holding true or they just fight the daemons until they arrive where they hope to go

[snow mantle]

Orks treat daemon invasions as live entertainment and training exercises when they travel

[copper cliff]

Orks are immune to eldritch horror beyond mortal comprehension. They're just there for a scrap.

[rustic spruce]

if so many chaos marines including abaddon hate bile how come nobody every goes to deal with him

[snow mantle]

Because as much of a pain in the ass he is, he's got ridiculously valuable skills.

The same people who want him dead want his operations

[arctic talon]

Because he’s the best “human”geneticist in existence aside from the emperor

[gusty ingot]

I was wondering, does chaos warp, as we know it, exist only in our galaxy or are the four gods of chaos present in the whole universe?

[celest dome]

The Warp exist everywhere

But the Warp as we know is concentrated around our gallaxy

We don't yet know what is outside of it

[cinder sphinx]

we acrually don’t know for sure. but there is nothing saying it doesnt and stuff like the ‘nids shadow in the warp suggests as much.

[celest dome]

The IoM think it's populated with tons of Orks due to a probe they sent being possibly hijaked by Orks, so they think it's in deep space but in fact it could be stuck on an Ork ship/planet or something

[cinder sphinx]

imagine some random mekboy having a laugh over ferrying around the probe in a trolley.

[gusty ingot]

I'm sorry I'm kind of new to the lore, what's IoM?

[cinder sphinx]

Imperium of Mankind.

[gusty ingot]

oh xd never saw it written like that, sorry

[cinder sphinx]

it’s one of the gazillion terms for the imperium.

[celest dome]

I usually use IoM as Empire is for fantasy, Mankind is not a synonym (Interex you will always be in my heart) and Imperium is to long

[cinder sphinx]

just call em Imps. everbody knows who the Imps are.

[celest dome]

Fantasy has Imps

Lesser Daemon of Khorne iirc

Though they might be undivided

[neat inlet]

Who's Sigmar and what does Vermintide has to do with 40k?

[celest dome]

Sigmar is a dude with a hammer who unified the various tribes in the past against the servant of Chaos, he then later became a God, revered by the descendents of the tribes (Except Bretonni as they were taken by another godess)

But all that is in Warhammer Fantasy/AoS/Old World

So no current link to 40k

Except the small mention where they are linked but it's not important and is mostly to have some fun

[orchid acorn]

wasn't it more an easter egg or something?

[final spruce]

Yup, its just easter eggs

Even the Chaos Gods are different in 40k

[celest dome]

There are 2 I remember, one being that fantasy took place on a planet inside a warp storm.

And the second having the entire 40k universe in a bottle in thr house of a Magister or something

[storm jungle]

Which are all null atm since it was done more just as jokes or an easter egg as zherlum said

[kind geyser]

And don’t forget the glorious ground marines Stormcast Eternals

[celest dome]

That come much later and isn't relevant to Vermintide

[plush mason]

still the bottle easter egg was great

[plush mason]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Priest

ok so those silver gauntlets and shoulder pads some of the deathwatch wear. is there anything special about it?

[celest dome]

If I understand correctly, Death Watch SM keep the same armour they already had but it is repainted to thr Deathwatch colours

Except the shoulder guard

For the other shoulder + hand I think it's Deathwatch armour, Errant pattern something

[plush mason]

is it a badge of office/rank kind of thing or like an honorific kind of thing?

[celest dome]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/af93oa/why_do_deathwatch_have_their_left_arm_completely/

Maybe this has more info

[storm jungle]

Baically just to signify they are Deathwatch

When you join up you get a full black armor with the only colored parts being the silver arm/pauldron and the other pauldron keeping the color of the chapter you are from

[celest dome]

It's not that they get

They paint their old armour

[storm jungle]

Ah well same thing

astartes armor looks all the same either way so

[hollow basin]

Power armored Diapers

[dusk patrol]

Tbh the books aren’t consistent if they get a new set or armor or if they repaint their own.

Both happen in separate books and sources

I like the repaint one since it’s cooler and more symbolic.

After they finish their service, if they survive, they’re allowed to keep the arm displayed to show their service in DW if they choose, although they can also just have a symbol put on their armor.

Like Ventris has the Inquisition “I” on his leg

[celest dome]

What's the rose on his shoulder ?

[dusk patrol]

I’m sure it’s mentioned but I can’t recall, I think it might just be a heraldic thing. I believe it’s got some significance though.

[dusk patrol]

I looked it up, it’s for a victory saving a planet in one of his novels.

[celest dome]

Ah. Never knew that ty

[mossy mortar]

YEs. Though they think it's the teeth on their ships

[mossy mortar]

And they leave one pauldron its original color so as not to offend the armor's machine spirit

[sleek canyon]

Found this video pretty interesting, and as it speaks about 40k and John Carpenter's The Thing, which is my favorite horror movie, couldn't help but share it 😄 https://youtu.be/XfqL06th2d8

[gray mulch]

Tbf, I think everyone's headcanon includes Event Horizon

[orchid acorn]

I thought he'd gone to GW, they said 'no' and he'd filed the serial numbers off. Either way, it's a great not-40k-film.

[true sentinel]

Are inquisitorial stormtroopers actual inquisitors?

[celest dome]

No

They are not even Acolyte

But they can become Acolyte, and by extention Inquisitor if they are lucky

[true sentinel]

So they just gaurd with extra stuff?

[fierce pendant]

Inquisitors cannon fodder basically

But I guess better equipped and a tad more reliable.

[celest dome]

Yes

They basically are supposed to be on Par with the IG Stormtrooper

Like Cadian Karskin

Krieg Grenadier

[true sentinel]

That makes sense

[celest dome]

And a few other

[true sentinel]

I hope those get new models

[celest dome]

I don't really remember those

[rustic spruce]

What exactly goes on in the halo stars

[dusk patrol]

It’s basically the Space Bermuda Triangle

It’s an RPG setting mostly but a lot of not nice stuff

[nocturne jetty]

No Darktide assasin???

:((((

No stealthy class

[snow fern]

I mean maybe vet will get a camocloak spec with a focus on sniping?

I don’t know how common that piece of equipment is, I need to read gaunt’s ghosts.

[prisma lark]

during the beta, the Veteran had a "camo expert" feat that made him generate less agro while immobile

[round bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93aie74HVd8

[dusk patrol]

I expect we’ll get a more assassin themed class eventually

More sneaky beaky

[celest dome]

I just wonder which one will get it

Most likely will have 1 per archetype, maybe excluding the Ogryn

[dusk patrol]

No

Assassgryn

[celest dome]

Well I don't really have any idea what the sneak Ogryn would be

But Death Cult assassin for Zealot

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there’s definitely stuff for the zealot and the Vet

Maybe Psyker too

[celest dome]

Psyker with Telepathy

[dusk patrol]

There’s also shadow magic

[cinder sphinx]

"Colonel-Commissar, I try to sneak around but I am dummy and thicc and the claps of my ass cheeks keep alerting the cultisis"

[dusk patrol]

Or Psyker stuff or whatever the hell it’s called

[rustic spruce]

Was the second founding overall beneficial or detrimental

[dusk patrol]

It’s intent was to split the legions up so as to make it harder for a second Heresy to happen

And more or less, nothing ever happened at that scale again. Badab was probably the closest and it wasn’t that big at all in comparison.

So, it did achieve its purpose I guess.

How beneficial that is vs having proper legions is opinion though and hard to say

[rustic spruce]

Has dorn’s last wall protocol ever been enacted

[cinder sphinx]

War of the Beast.

[crisp heath]

MAYDAY, MAYDAY, THE ORKS ARE ATTACKING THE PURPLE PAINT FACTORY
Wait... nevermind they seemed to have vanished... uh oh

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[prime tapir]

What’s the last wall protocol?

[storm jungle]

Summoning all the Imperial Fist chapters back to Terra for a final defensive stand

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Last_Wall

Also more or so "unifying" back into a Legion force

[dusk patrol]

Basically, shit hits the fan they get the band back together for one last ride

It’s why they also have the feast of blades

To keep the chapters connected

And form relationships between them

[prime tapir]

”codex compliant”

[dusk patrol]

Tbh, the Ultras aren’t even really codex compliant perfectly. Almost no chapter is.

[prime tapir]

Yeah, I’m just memeing

[dusk patrol]

But yeah Dorn uh

He didn’t care for the codex much

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/7llLFbV97bs?t=7

[dusk patrol]

[plush mason]

iirc TTS had a short where Dorn explained the codex and his hatred for it and at one point he mention papasmurf had his fleet launch copies of the codex at his fleet i think when they where over the world where the iron cage fiasco happened

i do not know if that was just meme lore or not

[dusk patrol]

It’s a meme

Basically Dorn didn’t agreed with the measure, Iron Cage happened, he finally relented

[plush mason]

figured it was

[broken zenith]

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers were the Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters Troops choices in 3rd, 4th and early and mid 5th Editions, tasked with providing security and protection for the Inquisitorial Fortresses such as Nemesis Tessera and the Inquisitorial Black Ships, as well as providing a more loyal, reliable army for the Inquisitor (Elites) or Inquisitor Lord (HQ) in question for the task at hand, however dirty it is, especially if the Inquisitor is a Radical and consorting and making pacts with the Daemons even if it is for the good of the Imperium.

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers were the backbone of the Radical Daemonhunters armies in back 3E since fielding a Daemonhost as an Elites choice back then forbade the player from fielding any Grey Knights as per the Inquisitor or Inquisitor Lord in question getting branded as an extreme Radical. Thus the player had to fill the two mandatory Troops choices as per the Force Organisation Chart with the loyal trusty Inquisitorial Stormtroopers instead since the Inducted Guardsmen or Requisitioned Space Marines didn't count towards mandatory Troops choices either as per Allied Detachment rules. Taking any Daemonhunters - Adversaries with your Radical Daemonhunters army forbade the player from fielding the Grey Knights too, thus the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers were your mandatory Troops choices regardless. The best part of the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers was that the Inquisitorial Stormtroopers Veteran had access to the Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters armouries, thus the player could give them an Incinerator, Thunder Hammer or Eviscerator, they made for good objective holders too loaded in Rhinos. Incinerators btw were ignoring invul saves before it was cool. ❤️
https://web.archive.org/web/20070211211625/http://uk.games-workshop.com/daemonhunters/gallery/12/
https://web.archive.org/web/20080411105817/http://us.games-workshop.com:80/games/40k/imperialguard/gaming/tactica_stormtrooper/default.htm

[dusk patrol]

Tl;dr yes basically

Better arguably

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsqjwl3ME2c

[dusk patrol]

Gonna have to watch that after I get off work

[true sentinel]

thats very cool

[rustic spruce]

Did the space wolves stay as a legion?

[true sentinel]

what made the inquisitor so radical that the grey knights couldnt go near them?

[broken zenith]

Daemonhost

[dusk patrol]

Effectively, but they were vastly reduced in numbers

[broken zenith]

Grey Knights simply refuse to collaborate with such a heretic. Thus a radical Daemonhunter is on their own.

[dusk patrol]

They also weren’t able to make new chapters due to the Wulfen curse

Until the Ultima founding

Now they have like one or two canon ones

And can have more

[broken zenith]

Relying on their trusty loyal Inquisitorial Stormtroopers and Inquisitorial Henchmen Retinue instead when going as far as to field a Daemonhost or even Unbound Daemons in the form of the Adversaries, it was fun back then to field a Radical Daemonhunters army.

As a side note, Inquisitor Lord Torquemada Coteaz as a DH Special Character HQ choice was also forbidden from ever fielding Daemonhosts or Adversaries as a staunch Puritan much like the Grey Knights.

Major difference between IG Storm Troopers and DH/WH Inquisitorial Stormtroopers was also that the IG Storm Troopers were Elites choice meanwhile DH/WH Inquisitorial Stormtroopers were Troops choice, and the IG Storm Troopers had Infiltrate/Deepstrike special rules whereas the DH/WH Inquisitorial Stormtroopers lacked these special rules, but in return, DH/WH Inquisitorial Stormtroopers Veteran had access to the Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters armouries such as being able to get an Incinerator, Thunder Hammer, Purity Seals or Eviscerator as well as having access to Rhino as Transport upgrade unlike the IG Storm Troopers, and IG Storm Trooper Sergeant and Veteran Sergeant unit profiles as upgrades were combined into just Veteran regarding the DH/WH Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. There is also the difference of Squad size, IG ST were 4-9 meanwhile DH/WH ST were 5-10.

Minis wise, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers were mostly depicted by pewter 2000 Mark Bedford Storm Troopers of Armageddon release, but one could also use pewter 2003 Juan Diaz Kasrkin of Eye of Terror release to field them as well, both minis were sold by Citadel Miniatures throughout 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th Editions until the plastic Tempestus Scions of 6E Militarum Tempestus release replaced both at the tail end of 6th Edition in April 2014 a month before 7E (aka 6.5E) launch.

Phil Kelly's Radical Daemonhunters army from WD 280, I got fond memories of this article.

[dusk patrol]

I miss when daemonhunters and Inquisition were an army

One day

[broken zenith]

=][=

[true sentinel]

summoning demons?!

geez

[dusk patrol]

Only for the most

Radical

Of inquisitors

[plush mason]

BROOOOOOOOO

[dusk patrol]

Sleep tite

“If you hunt daemons and you hunt with daemons…..theeeeeeenn yooouuu might be a radical.“

[broken zenith]

Radicals are cooler anyway ❤️

[mossy mortar]

I they they lean more SWAT than special forces though.

[celest dome]

Not really

Swat would be Arbites

[broken zenith]

I miss the Mark Bedford minis

[opaque vessel]

how would a 100% codex compliant chapter look even

cuz i scrolled up and realized

that a 100% codex compliant chapter would either be a complete mess

or a complete success

[dusk patrol]

There’s only like one absolutely 100% compliant chapter

I think they’re a IF successor

Everyone else tends to have some small differences

[celest dome]

Aren't the Black Templar compliant

Like sure they use a loophole, but it's still codex compliant

[dusk patrol]

Nah they’re not

Not even the Ultras are completely

[opaque vessel]

V is really typing up a storm

[broken zenith]

oh lol

I was just typing that the Black Templars are so Codex divergent that they even draw the ire of the Ordo Hereticus xD

[opaque vessel]

lol

[broken zenith]

4E had a fun Black Templars vs Witch Hunters scenario
https://web.archive.org/web/20070809010518/http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/blacktemplars-inquisition/1/

[opaque vessel]

black templars are definitely the black sheep of their geneseed

pun intended

[broken zenith]

[plush mason]

understatement of the century. Dorn would hate them and would most likely disband the whole chapter

ofc that is also true for most of the imperium

[opaque vessel]

honestly even canon rogal dorn deserves a hug

the way the community sees Dorn and canon Dorn both deserve hugs

[dusk patrol]

Dorn was around when the Black Templars were active for centuries

He was aware of what Sigismund’s role was and had made his peace with it during the siege

[celest dome]

Aren't both mostly quite liked ?

[opaque vessel]

yes dorn is like the only primarch that is loved without any changes as much as he is with changes

even the space furries try to justisfy their primarch's douchebaggery

[rustic spruce]

What about sanguinius

[thin crescent]

Douchery like wiping out the entire 1st company of Dark Angels?

[celest dome]

Nah, the DA deserved it

[thin crescent]

🤣

The Dorn comments reminded me of this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnS18vU_7n8

[plush mason]

so he forgave him

[uneven temple]

Basically, yep

'It has all come to pass, I suppose, just as the remembrancer girl told you it would. Coincidence? I have to believe it.
Did he, though? Clinging too closely to the old rationalist cant felt pointless, now.

...

'No, I set you free, my beloved, my best, son,' said Rogal Dorn, never taking his eyes off his First Captain. 'Do now what you were made to do.'

[true sentinel]

Dorn gave Sigismund the go ahead to make the guys. He gave his rubber stamp to it.

The religious fervour of the Templars gives them buffs too so it’s cool

[shadow berry]

Sigismund still went out like a boss. Still some of my favorite scenes. Even Abbaddon wouldn't desecrate his corpse like so many other chaos chumps would.

I remember seeing a meme about Guilliman meeting his lost loyal brothers and Dorn was cast in the Black Templar garb and all he said was 'he was angry'

[coarse mirage]

Do I started listening to what I think is the start of the Horus Heresy (Horus Rising) and I’m wondering, what are the books about the Emperor going around to find his sons? Are there any?

[wispy iris]

I stumbled upon this video. The story seems pretty good.
https://youtu.be/gFwAbnkp45w

[plush mason]

yeah

i wonder if BL still produces the horror line or not

i hope they do given they only started it in 2019

[uneven temple]

they do, Briardark came out a month or so ago

[plush mason]

good

[mossy mortar]

No their doctrine is totally different

[thin crescent]

Some of the Primarch novels have these stories.

[mossy mortar]

The biggest violation is that they are probably massively overstrength and hide it because they're constantly crusading snd moving around

[slender orchid]

They don't hide anything. They exploit a loophole that says a chapter may recruit past the limit while actively on crusade.

The BTs are ALWAYS on crusade. The hypocritical doggos are the ones who hide their numbers.

[coarse mirage]

Which ones are those? Are they part of the Horus Heresy?

[thin crescent]

Not all of them. TBH I am terrible with titles, but there is a story on the founding of the Dark Angels and the discovery of Lion El Johnson. Most of the other stories only have a paragraph or two about locating the primarchs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/rii84o/all_primarch_books_rated_and_reviewed/

[rustic spruce]

what's the top speed of the various titans

[thin crescent]

If you want exact numbers, no clue. There is story evidence of Warhounds chasing squads of marines around and being faster than them though.

[mossy mortar]

probably extremely terrain dependent

if you can jsut step over things infantry have to climb over/through then y eah youd b efaster

[thin crescent]

This particular story was in urban terrain.

[broken zenith]

Yup, pretty much.

No Chapter is exempt from this suspicion, even those like the Black Templars who helped the Inquisition defeat the treacherous High Lord Vandire during the Age of Apostasy. Indeed, the Black Templars are of particular concern to the Inquisition, with the number of Templars far in excess of those prescribed by the Codex Astartes. The Black Templars may rival the size of the Space Marine legions of old, and the Inquisition remembers well how such unlimited power led to the Horus Heresy.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070809010518/http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/blacktemplars-inquisition/1/

[storm jungle]

Okay so, saw this in a codex review page and tried to transcribe as much as I could

DE GLORIA YARRICK

Being the [REDACTED] file of [REDACTED] issued to officers in the [REDACTED] war zone. The following document is to be disseminated to all ranks. Receiving and understand the following testimony issued by the Divisio Mortis of the Officio Prefectus is compulsory. Your Commissar will shortly disperse the expanded, approved version for senior officers. Yours with fealty, [REDACTED].


>> Gravitas maximus, Ministorum sub-amenda.

Know you, all, that the Bell of Lost Souls has rung this chromosegment, for the loss of a great hero of the Astra Militarum is a loss to humanity.

Know you, all, that the Hero of Hades Hive, the Most Glorious and Righteous Commissar Yarrick, S. , was the Savior of Armageddon during the First War, Traitors' words did he heed not; unmasked was the planet's heretic governor. When a xenos beast the size of Hades itself dared take the Commissar's arm did the noble duelist cleave the creature's head in twain and take the war prize of his own. And were the xenos driven to flee.

Know you, all, that at in the fame of the Orks' return during the Second War did Commissar Yarrick sally forth once more to Armageddon. There did he bestride the ash like a giant. No xenos ploy escaped his gaze, soldier-true forgot his duty. And did the Beast flee once more.

Know you, all, that when war once more rattled  its sabre, when base creatures blew the brazen-horn of conflict, did Commissar Yarrick, unfettered by fear, march again in the Emperor's service.

Know you, all, that the God Emperor, in His infinite and manifest wisdom has decreed that at last may his loyal servant lay down his physical weapons, for such mundane duties are beyond him. Now is the servant's task created anew, the fire of his soul flaring like the heart of Sol. Now does the God-Emperor charge him at his side, to enter the greater war - for such is he now made ready.

Operation report Mun/Pre-II4 882// Posession, trade and solicitation of memento mori [osseus or otherwise] is hereby forbidden amongst all ranks. Ministorum exemptions apply. 9092xx

I had a bit of a trouble in some parts since the vid only went up to like 1080p 💀

I also cannot read the top of the page with the hand-writing since its barely readable.

https://youtu.be/aHCdODihjJU?t=285

Incase anyone has a better eyesight than me here

[plush mason]

so Yarrick is dead then?

[lilac flame]

Da

[storm jungle]

Yesn't.

It says hes dead but its super obscure

[plush mason]

ugh

[storm jungle]

doesnt even mention how and deffo comes across like a coverup

A lot of "he surely died gloriously and is now at the Emperor's side" which is basically just fascist propaganda nonsense

They'll probably reveal it properly at some point

[plush mason]

yeah

hell he literally could have died just shitting on the toilet so

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

[plush mason]

but yeah he is likely dead but his death here has clearly been glorified for propaganda purposes

[storm jungle]

Yep

[lilac flame]

Doesn't angron have a skull with a mechanical eye around his neck on his new model 🤔

[storm jungle]

Thats not yarrick

literally every imperial has a bionic eye

[lilac flame]

Ah

Right

Mb

[storm jungle]

its all good

[plush mason]

given there is what looks to be a pictgraph or whatever they call them in 40k of what i can only assume is meant to be Yarrick in the page that skull is most likely not his

[storm jungle]

Yeah at best he actually died but they are keeping his death obscure for a Black Library book release or something

[plush mason]

ye

[lilac flame]

Its a 400 page book about yarrick going to bed and dieing peacefully in his sleep

[plush mason]

lol

[plush mason]

this could easily be true. its not like he is a space marine so he doesnt really NEED to die heroically or anything

[storm jungle]

Nevermind I beat Valrak to the punch by like

3 minutes atm lmao

https://youtu.be/bS4FjGa0caQ

he just posted this

[lilac flame]

Did he have better eyes?

[storm jungle]

POSSIBLY

[quick patrol]

Box is out for like 5 minutes and people are already on the lore! xD

[plush mason]

this is honestly as good as confirmation as we will get for a time so im kinda in agreement with this video's title

[fierce pendant]

Can't wait for guard to get their commissar dreadnought minis now in a 6-7 months.

[plush mason]

lol

nah. just a Yarrick living saint model

[fierce pendant]

or that

[plush mason]

and he literally gona have just a giant golden ork klaw

and a stormbolter that fires like pure holy fire or something

[lilac flame]

He's completely normal in every other way. The ork claw is just 5 times as large and gold now

[plush mason]

ye

[quick patrol]

Don't ask me why i was a channel up

I just pretend it's some dimension shifting thing.

But yea, rip Yarrick

[slender orchid]

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the focus on horses they are trying to do.

[plush mason]

dont

[celest dome]

They made new Horse molds so they want to use them

[slender orchid]

Horses, the things it was suicide to try to use even in WW1, let alone WW2. In battles in 40k, with aliens, tanks, dreadnoughts, etc.

[plush mason]

its 40k real logic does not exist nor apply

just roll with it

[slender orchid]

Okay but even for 40k, it is dumb. At least the new Lord Solar has a cyber horse (?cyborse?).

[celest dome]

Actually, Horse were quite effective in WW1

At least at the start

[lilac flame]

Yea but this isn't ww1

[celest dome]

It's 40k, it's not better

[plush mason]

tell that to the DKOK lmao

[white juniper]

Krieg use horses all arguments are therefore invalid ;p

[plush mason]

its the 41st millennium and the imperium still uses 20th century tactics that haven been used in decades irl

there is not a single army in the imperium that uses actual 21st century tactics in battle or in warfare

[white juniper]

Tbf isnt the imperium and mechanicus losing more knowledge as time passes? Especially the mechanicus with science and tech knowledge am shit?

[plush mason]

yes

[slender orchid]

No

[celest dome]

Yes, but no

[plush mason]

regression and stagnation are the cornerstones of the imperium

[lilac flame]

Yea they are, but reverting back to ww1 is just stupid

[slender orchid]

There are multiple books of factions doing just that

[celest dome]

Certain part of the IoM loose knowhow, but other can usually still do it

[white juniper]

I see i see. (I also see i have a LOT of reading to do. Once i get my hands on 40k lore anyway)

[plush mason]

i mean. given the Ukrainian war is the only major war of the 21st to date and one side of that is using mostly 20th century tactics i really doubt that is the case

[lilac flame]

The what

The only major war of the 21th century?

When did Iraq or the war on terror star

[plush mason]

the 21st century literally started in the year 2000

[plush mason]

the first Iraq war was in the late 1990s iirc

[lilac flame]

But the war because of 9/11 started in 2001

[plush mason]

said war did not involve any major military conflicts with forces of near equal strength

anyway my point is. warhammer 40k and all other war hobby games and war games of any kind for that matter can not use any actual modern military stuff in it. and when they try you get shit like warthunder happening

the modern shit is almost all classified and the general public is not allowed to see it

[lilac flame]

Yee

Still weird with orbital bombardments and laz guns, people still build trenches and barriers

[plush mason]

ye but again. just dont think about it

[storm jungle]

^

You can KINDA make the excuse that "You need soldiers to go and capture stuff and use old war tactics" but at the end of the day its only there because it looks neat.

[plush mason]

there is literally nothing of the real world in 40k. it is all satire it is all completely fake. it is just here for us to enjoy and burn our money on

[storm jungle]

Also yeah this lol

its suppose to show how backwards the Imperium is on its way of warfare

Eldar, Tau, Orks, Nids and other races don't really use any of these tactics since their way of warfare is much more different and viable

[plush mason]

every fictional setting today seems to be plagued with this insane notion people have that all works of fiction must be accurate reflections of the real world. which is something completely knew and i have no idea where it came from

[lilac flame]

Like the necrons age old tactic of power walk at the enemy

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

necrons make up for it with more specialized units and every one of their weaponry being OP as shit

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-warhammer-gauss-gif-24598584

[plush mason]

and the whole. get back up when you kill them sometimes

[lilac flame]

And the whole teleport or explode, both looking identical so you can never be sure on a number of casualties

[plush mason]

ye

no need to charge when you more or less cant die

[lilac flame]

Also they have gods as Pokemon and as batteries. Adds a little in there favour

[storm jungle]

When even Krieg give up fighting them in a book you know Necrons are OP af

[lilac flame]

[plush mason]

still the greatest flex of all sci fi aliens i have found

[shadow plover]

necrons are so great that they even lost a fight against imperium in their own book

can't say that about imperium

(i love the necrons)

[lilac flame]

Yea. Sharing is caring, and they share the victorys with everyone

[jaunty bobcat]

it needs to ground itself into some form of realism

[plush mason]

honestly the imperium is the top selling faction purely due to the human brain funny enough. most people can not comprehend a non human perspective and most people see religious iconography as representing good virtues and morals

not at all

[jaunty bobcat]

Full complete ass pants fiction is completely unrelatable and have very niche audiences

want something to be popular? ey make some aspects of it relatable and then go ass pants fiction

[plush mason]

even tho one of the greatest sci fi shows in history is completely unrealistic?

even tho lord of the rings is completely unrealistic

[storm jungle]

To be fair

40k has moments of realism mixed with goofiness

its not all that crazy

[plush mason]

ye

[jaunty bobcat]

and guess what ||thats why we love it||

[plush mason]

if anything its satirical nature honestly makes it one of the more realistic sci fi settings

[jaunty bobcat]

its the favorite one because most people like to play as "humans"

Kinda like when you got a RPG with various races, human tends to be the most popular

Now take away Humans, and just leave xenos

Would 40k be as good?

[plush mason]

for me yeah

[jaunty bobcat]

exactly FOR YOU

you have the unpopular opinion

which is super valid

BUT, 40k is 40k because of the imperium

X)

[plush mason]

that is literally what im saying. i just went the extra step of explaining why that is

[jaunty bobcat]

because humans like human shit that is relatable

even if its 40000 years in the future

[shadow plover]

I'm the opposite in that regard, I always default to the non human when I want to play something with more options. Although with 40k it was space marines first but even they aren't truly human. Just keep me away from the boring basic human factions like fantasy Empire and 40k Guard

[jaunty bobcat]

just say you want to be different than all us Human lovers

[plush mason]

im the same way but that still is the minority opinion

[jaunty bobcat]

Which is great, i think once HH is done.. they might start gravitating toward more Xenos oriented stuff

in terms of Lore. Would be interesting

[shadow plover]

could be but unlikely really

they might just go full steam with the dawn of fire series

[jaunty bobcat]

But yeh, it all comes down to most people just prefering the Imperium struggles and SM Lore

[plush mason]

i dont need to as i am different even tho i would rather not be. im just saying that human psychology is the reason humans are always the most popular in all fictional settings. hell human psychology is literlaly the reason we humans do any and everything we do

as a neuroatypical human it is honestly easier for me to relate to non humans than it is with humans

ofc with 40k i am not able to relate to any of the races

cause 40k's setting is just not worth living in and all those living in it are idiots for not just eating their own bullets first change they get

[storm jungle]

Nah.

As nameless said people just like anything human more because you are the same race as them so to speak, its just basic stuff stuff at the end of the day

I couldn't give less of a crap about the Imperium

[plush mason]

the imperium is literally everything humanity hates about itself made manifest so its very hard to care about it

[lilac flame]

The imperium I don't care about. The guardsmen I would give my heart to protect.

[regal jasper]

Cadia gone but not forgotten

[plush mason]

ye that is how a lot of people go about it afaik. they just care about the character's they like and ignore the rest of the setting

[regal jasper]

I like the orks because they're chaotic fungus boys and you know what I respect that

[plush mason]

ye they are literally the only ones in the whole setting that actually enjoy living in it

and there is something to respect about that

[plush mason]

btw

have the wordbearers been very active lately?

[thin igloo]

If nurgle gets nurglings.
Can Khorne get Popkhorne.

[plush mason]

LOL

[thin igloo]

😏

[celest dome]

Khorne did have a lesser daemon like Nurgling

[plush mason]

he did?

[thin igloo]

I have no knowledge of this little monster.

[plush mason]

what did they look like?

[celest dome]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Imp

Apparently they are even under the Nurgling

But each of the Chaos god has one

[plush mason]

ah

[grim thunder]

https://youtu.be/bS4FjGa0caQ

its a dark day in the imerium

[thin crescent]

Let us morn him for a moment...

Okay, get back to the manufactorums...

[storm jungle]

One more dead fascist rip 😔

[dusk patrol]

Apparently they just don’t expand on his death which is uh….a choice.

I guess it allows them to add to it later but mostly I think it’s just them being lazy with lore releases recently.

The Votann codex was awful in that respect.

[celest dome]

Isn't there a rumour that there will be a book about Armageddon again ?

Might be where they will expand on it

[dusk patrol]

I would hope so, we’ll see

He’s been ancient for a long long time so it makes sense but still

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres prob a reason his death is left so obscure

[dusk patrol]

Yeah lazy writers

But hopefully we’ll get something

[storm jungle]

Nah for once i disagree

because its like

PAINFULLY left obscure

[storm jungle]

☝️

My best guess is hes going to return as a new mini at some point for a Warzone book with the classic "my death was greatly exaggerated"

would make sense financially and really boost those guard sales

[dusk patrol]

If it actually becomes something interesting I fully agreed

But my concern is it won’t

[rustic spruce]

man how did guilliman hide all those primaris marines

[plush mason]

my money is on him coming back as a living saint and his new mini is literally just the same mini but a bit bigger and with more gold bits

he didnt iirc

Cawl did

[storm jungle]

Yeah either way yarrick is too big of a character to kill, GW would never do it

[dusk patrol]

Think of how big the galaxy is

[plush mason]

and iirc all Cawl was doing was just continuing some secret project the emperor had started

[rustic spruce]

ngl i sometimes forget Cawl was alive during 30k

[dusk patrol]

Cawl was good at avoiding attention and had a mandate from Guilliman if anyone got too close

And also had a lot of firepower if that didn’t work

He also understood that what he was doing would get him killed if anyone found out before Guilliman returned

[plush mason]

was he? i thought it was some weird mind merge tech shit and he just merged with some dude that was alive during 30k

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah he appeared in gathering storm

then they explained later he was around in 30k

[plush mason]

k

[storm jungle]

Pre-dumptruck Ass as we call it

[plush mason]

lol

[dusk patrol]

Him during the Heresy

He used to abhor augmentation

That worldview did not last

[plush mason]

clearly

there are many xenos that look more human than he does now

[dusk patrol]

He was young at the time though

But yeah it is funny in that Guilliman was pretty shocked he was still alive and at how much he had done

[rustic spruce]

Doesn't cawl have what might be a fully functioning AI that looks like him

[dusk patrol]

Since that was the Cawl he knew more, with a bit more augmentation.

[dusk patrol]

Kinda

He has split personalities

His mind is made up of a lot of consciousness

His mentor had devised it to live longer and he ended up killing her when she tried to kill him

And then he used it to survive

He has a “Cawl Inferior” who is like his public face and “Cawl Superior” which is him

And a bunch of other stuff. He’s definitely quirky but it’s kinda one of those things of, he’s the 1 in a billion who it actually worked for

[plush mason]

so are blanks classified the same way psykers are?

[snow fern]

Like the tier of blank? How soulless they are?

[plush mason]

or just how pronounced that effect is i guess

[dusk patrol]

Kinda but it goes the other way

[plush mason]

how so? cause all i know is that psykers are ranked as epsilon beta alpha and alpha+ with the later being the god tier ones

[dusk patrol]

It goes like “Omega” and stuff I can’t recall exactly

It’s an inversion of the Psyker ranking basically

It’s almost never mentioned though

[plush mason]

k

[plush mason]

so the orks use to have their own version of the classic noise marines?

[storm jungle]

More or so yeah

but they only exist because rock n roll is cool

[plush mason]

lol

mad max orks

i love it

[coarse mirage]

Not the only project Cawl would get killed for, I think.

[plush mason]

yeah if he didnt have a "i can do what i want" pass from big e himself he would have been killed a long ass time ago

[coarse mirage]

The Imperium has many factions within factions within factions.

[autumn panther]

I've heard people occasionally hint at the idea that kriegsmen have no souls cause they're grown by a vitae womb but wouldn't they all be blanks if they were

[rocky dune]

Blanks don’t have no souls, then they would have no warp presence. They have anti-souls or something.

[broken zenith]

Blanks not only have no souls, but they are also like black holes, they also leech off the souls of others, thus why Culexus is one of the deadliest assassins with Animus Speculum either increasing or decreasing this effect.

[autumn panther]

Okay game theory

there's a claim that kriegsmen have never fallen to chaos

and maybe thats cause they have no soul, but lack the pariah gene to actually have blank powers