40k-lore-chat

[coarse olive]

I wonder if they have a date when that drops.

[plush mason]

that idk

iirc there are new plastic steel legion models coming and people where saying a new codex for them as well

i have no clue if ether of those where actually confirmed to be coming btw

[copper cliff]

Yarrick is gonna get resurrected as an Ork

[coarse olive]

Yarrork

[copper cliff]

Yorkshire

York Birmingit

[celest dome]

If Mad Dok Grotsnik just goes and revive him, I just want Yarrik to just claw his head down and then kill it with a single Bolter round

[unique berry]

👀

[storm jungle]

Steel Legion are kinda prominent still yeah

but my guest would be prob Catachan first

[ripe ravine]

there was a preview image on rumour engine that looked very much like a catachan glaive

that plus the catachan characters supposedly sticking around in the new codex makes me think you're right

wouldn't be surprised if we saw a catachan kill team

[celest dome]

Didn't we already get some new Catachan stuff ? Though only Elite/Named characters or something

[ripe ravine]

yeah in 8th they release sly marbo, a female sergeant, and the catachan colonel models

so relatively new

[summer niche]

i would get a steel legion army tbh

vehicle based ofc

[broken zenith]

the fact that Catachan Jungle Fighters are their own datasheet much like the Cadian Shock Troops and Death Korps of Krieg as Troops choice in the upcoming 9E dex gives me hope for an updated Catachan kit in KT at some point

[broken zenith]

same

mechanised infantry best

[broken zenith]

Yup, but sadly Ripper Jackson and Catachan Colonel were store exclusive limited edition minis and they aren't available to purchase otherwise (and you had to proxy them since they didn't have their own dedicated datasheets). :c

good ol mechanised infantry, Chimera + Steel Legion, classic 👌

[hollow gulch]

ooh, new guard codex?

[broken zenith]

9th Edition guard dex? ye, Mordian Glory leaks say that the Catachan Jungle Fighters and Death Korps of Krieg are their own Troops choice datasheets much like the Cadian Shock Troops, although it's stated to be more of wargear difference here and there for some reason.

[next willow]

yeah 9e guard dex looks to be leaning into your primary subfaction choice is actually you don't pick a subfactiona nd instead go all in on regimental doctrines and then what used to be regiment exclusive units are now treated more like the cult marines in chaos space marines

in that anyone can take them but they're also discrete units rather than the general units with some bonuses

[broken zenith]

it's basically downgraded version of 3.5E regimental doctrines too

[next willow]

yeah but 3.5e regimental doctrines were simultaneously ass and also great

3.5: gotta spend a doctrine slot to even bring commissars or abhumans or this or that. while also there's doctrine slots that actually do things.

while these watered down ones that are coming up seem to all be of the "do something" variety

[broken zenith]

I preferred the CA variant army lists back then myself than create your own variant army list of 3.5E

[next willow]

i mean i can't talk much, i was a lost and the damned nerd. they're never coming back like they used to be

[broken zenith]

ye, Lost and the Damned was an awesome army

especially the Blood Pact variant army list of WD 293 & Death Brigades, and recreating the Stalk Tanks through CA Vehicle Creation of Andy Chambers and the GW website Loxatl Broodpack rules.

[next willow]

my deal was i liked the whole aspect of trash with the option to not have but if you did was kind of hoss individual chaos space marines peppered in

[broken zenith]

3.5E allowed the player to create a different range of customised army lists too at the time, Tim Huckleberry tried to recreate his CJ GSC army through 3.5E regimental doctrines at the time for example

alternate organisation, restricted troops, special equipment, skills and drills etc. they made for a variety of different lists
wish Vostroyan release of 4E 2006 Medusa V global campaign had a proper variant army list rather than relying on 3.5E regimental doctrines tho :c

[broken zenith]

a Rogue Psyker army with C:WH and WD 292 rules made for some interesting lists too

the best part of the Lost and the Damned was how it covered many different facets of Chaos armies, from the Apostate Cardinals to the Rogue Psykers.

but then again, 4E-7E FW Renegades & Heretics was a worthy successor, I hope the idea returns at some point with the recent KT Traitor Guard cementing the first steps (or WQ:BSF for that matter, just release the Chaos Beastmen, Rogue Psykers and Negavolt Cultists as their own kits separately too GW).

https://web.archive.org/web/20070429030525/http://uk.games-workshop.com/imperialguard/doctrines/2/
3.5E regimental doctrines were really customisable on the other hand, the 9E ones just sound like 8E PA custom regiments rules than how expansive it was in 3.5E.
3.5E IG dex regimental doctrines even made for some interesting armies like the AdMech, Gue'vesa, Blood Pact or GSC as GW urged back then. Although I would prefer the Lost and the Damned army and WD 293 Blood Pact variant army list for a better representation of the Blood Pact and the proper Gue'vesa CA rules of Andy Hoare, as well as CJ 40-41 exp GSC dex of Tim Huckleberry.

[royal peak]

So what happened with the ForgeWorld Horus Heresy books? Are they no longer printing them? I don't see them up on their site any longer.

[broken zenith]

and Pete Haines definitely did the right call with his EoT LatD army

I had already developed a clear view about whether to include Cultists and other Chaos-aligned troops, such as mutants and abhumans. The name of the Codex would be Codex: Chaos Space Marines so the whole emphasis would be on the Traitor Legions themselves. Obviously it would have to cover Daemons as the Chaos Space Marines have the ability to summon them, but I saw no good reason for including Cultists other than as an Alpha Legion option (and I made sure that these were quite specialised). Cultists work best as a separate army and there is plenty of scope for a distinct Cultist army list to be developed later.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070604180129/http://uk.games-workshop.com/chaosspacemarines/designers-notes/
LatD definitely made for a worthy successor to the RT Chaos Renegades, capturing their sheer madness well. (and 2E Chaos Cults to an extend)

[broken zenith]

Horus Heresy got a new edition recently by GW, they are releasing new get by index books like Liber Mechanicum.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/horus-heresy-age-of-darkness-2022-eng

[royal peak]

Ah thank you

[opaque vessel]

i keep hearing about yarrick lately

supposedly some leaks saying yarrick's fate is numbered ?

[atomic pelican]

Yea hes dead in the new codex apparently

[broken zenith]

RIP 😔

[copper cliff]

You wuz da greatest git, a warboss could eva krump

[opaque vessel]

the astra militarum better fire a lasgun shot for each day he lived

[dusk patrol]

People have been saying that but we don’t know it yet to be fair

I just hope if he is he gets a good sendoff

[broken zenith]

I hope so really

[tired umbra]

I also hope it makes Ghazkull fucking pissed

[dusk patrol]

Him dying of old age would have some poetic nature to it

[copper cliff]

Yarrick dies to someone else and Ghazghkull spends an entire book hunting that person down and accidentally saving multiple worlds by doing so.

[tired umbra]

Or wrecks multiple worlds.

That'd be more fitting

[copper cliff]

I think it would be more funny if he just kept chasing some chaos lord who was constantly about to destroy a planet and then Ghazghkull shows up like.

"WE'Z AINT FINISHED, SPIKY GIT!"

Or maybe he keeps finding the guy who killed yarrick only for him to point to a higher up lord who actually killed yarrick for the entire book until he's completely decimated a segment of Chaos' forces just trying to figure out who stole his scrap.

[tired umbra]

I really need to read Yarrick's books. I don't really care for Yarrick but I love me some orks

And Ghazkull is THE ork

It also always makes me happy when orks are treated like the absolute horrifying monsters they are.

[opaque vessel]

aren't Cain and Jurgen dead as well ?

[tired umbra]

Ye

[opaque vessel]

so that makes 3 badasses of the astra militarum dead by unfortunate circumstances

Jurgen MIA and presumed dead

Cain on an open casket funeral

and now Yarrick presumably of old age or angron

[copper cliff]

Cain will return

[atomic pelican]

Grandpa goes into the forever box

[opaque vessel]

the WAAAGH energy better bring him back

[dusk patrol]

As far as we know to be fair

[copper cliff]

Ghazghkull kills angron for taking his favorite git

[dusk patrol]

Cain it’s unconfirmed how I believe

[copper cliff]

I think Cain dies of old age

[dusk patrol]

Same with people like Gaunt’s Ghosts, Ravenor, Eisenhorn

[viscid moat]

what the fuck did I miss in that last book that Cain died?!?

[dusk patrol]

They’re supposed to be dead but we don’t know how

[dusk patrol]

Because the books are a history of him

[broken zenith]

I hope Yarrick returns as a saint D:

[dusk patrol]

They’re not happening at the time they’re being written in universe

Amberly I think mentions he died of old age

[opaque vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVBX7l2zgRw

how i just imagine if it was a fight with Angron

and then Yarrick comes back as a Super Powered Ork God ol'bale eye

[dusk patrol]

Probably still banging someone other than her and making her pissed

[viscid moat]

ohhhhhhh jesus ok yeah I knew that lol but that said its unclear if they are being retold in current day 40k or far into the future

[copper cliff]

And the ciaphas was like, "its totally caining time" and then cained all over chaos. And then died. And then came back. And did it again

[dusk patrol]

Yeah we don’t know for sure

Easily could be adjusted

[viscid moat]

i just want a model tbh its been a bit since they did one

[opaque vessel]

imagine Cain coming back as a fuckin ghost

and the astra militarum roars in pain

as they have to change his status again

you know

there is an odd... pattern

of people who are badasses

just dying of old age

they are just casually so badass only their own body can kill itself

[alpine ingot]

Cain is the only member of the guard to be listed permanently in action due to the fact that he's come back from so many suicide missions the Administratum are tired of constantly changing his status. you could show them his corpse, a death certificate, hell an inquisitor could tell them how he died and they'd still refuse to change it.

and... whatever the fate of Jurgen actually is, I can't imagine him dying alone. he either passed away before Cain or passed away whilst apart of Amberly's retinue. I cannot for the life of me seeing her leaving him alone if Cain died first.

[tired umbra]

Jurgen is totally dying in the line of duty

It's the way he'd like it to end.

[alpine ingot]

at the same time, I just don't see how he could be sent off without it feeling bullshit. probably why I am glad i've never read or know of if it is ever stated how he dies.

[tired umbra]

I mean there's a LOT of bad shit out there that Cain and Jurgen simply aren't ready to take on.

[broken zenith]

wish GW would bring back the WD 310 4E/KT Apparition rules for an Imperial Saint

[opaque vessel]

Jurgen did die first

he went MIA

and cain was mourning jurgen

[opaque vessel]

just make Jurgen , Cain and Yarrick into special warlords

Jurgen & Cain as those apparitions and saints

Yarrick as a produce of the WAAAGH

[broken zenith]

yessssss

[opaque vessel]

either yarrick returns as a WAAAGH spirit
or
Ghazghkull goes on one last final WAAAGH the biggest WAAAAAAAAGH the world has ever seen in honour of his fallen foe

[copper cliff]

And all the orks were heard chanting Yarrick across the universe

[mossy mortar]

Spoiler alert: everyone dies

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-24843255

[unborn gust]

Spoiler. 40k has war

[broken zenith]

only war
-sun tzu

[odd cairn]

Post living quarters

[cerulean jetty]

Honestly, so long as there’s no water damage to the floor, that room could be flipped right side up in the better part of a morning. The most difficult tasks would just be moving out the furniture and cutting new dry wall. Maybe something serious would need to be done about possible lingering odors…

[dusk patrol]

It’s probably easier to name 40k books with a bitter sweet ending

[opaque vessel]

If everyone died at war

It wouldn't be surprising

But almost everyone with the exception of jurgen

Died of old age

[opaque vessel]

I have a friend who is part of the VS battle community

And boy does he neglect a lot of nuance

power levels aren't everything in a fight

especially when you consider different verses use different rules

A wh40k Psyker is gonna work differently from a psychic in DND

[celest dome]

There is also the fact that power isn't everything, luck, planning and many other thing can change the balance during a battle

[opaque vessel]

mhm which are things VS battles often neglect

Another thing they neglect is personality

[summer niche]

Luck is always gonna be the strongest stat

If I could ever pick a power it would be supernatural luck

[opaque vessel]

Supernatural luck is essentially a win button

It is literal plot armour

[summer niche]

Bingo

[prime tapir]

As far as magic goes, 40k psykers are kinda weak? Like they have potent offense, but not as much of the utility that often is what makes or breaks a wizards power level.

Compared to the rest of the setting, psykers seem quite tuned down.

And yeah, their telepathic stuff is strong. That’s the biggest thing they’ve got going for them.

Yeah, but ultimately a fireball kills a few opponent, a missile does that too. Telepathy at least potentially lets you get the info you need to absolutely obliterate an entire faction if used on the right person.

While a D&D wizard can create alternate realities or turn themselves into building sized dragons.

Telepathy allows for something the imperium can’t replicate with technology.

[celest dome]

That's because Magic in Warhammer is powered by Hell, and using it make it so Daemon can invade

That's why they didn't rely on it too much

[opaque vessel]

@prime tapir magic can do these things

the problem is

the more you invite the warp

the more the warp wants to come

and usually most of the high power spells belong to sorcerers

aka chaos psykers

[prime tapir]

Sure, but then they're weaker right. The payoff does not outweigh the consequences.

D&D wizards would not use their powerful spells either if there was proportional risk to it.

(also disclaimer, D&D magic is suuuuuper boring)

[rigid geyser]

Not always, Psykers are a commodity in the Imperium. I mean they literally buy and sell astropaths in the private sectors of Rogue Traders and such. There’s not like a limit to the idea that Guard sanctioned Primaris must not cast crazy spells. Plenty of books tackle that. But Psykers like Malcador literally use the warp to gaslight everyone who ever sees them so he doesn’t look like a skeleton

[opaque vessel]

Even the emperor was almost 24/7 disguised

because emperor canonically looks similar to malcador

[rigid geyser]

Cool theory that the Golden Throne was originally a detox machine for the big Emps and that’s his true form sitting in it

Very interesting evidence in books like Master of Mankind and what not

But yeah, Psykers are sometimes allowed to get by the Perils by simply just not being shit at mind blasting

Biomancers literally turn themselves into unkillable steel

[opaque vessel]

Astropaths literally relay information across the milkyway

through the warp

and see the astronomicon from sectors away

[rigid geyser]

But like, to tie it all back. Psyker’s powerscaling is pretty on the nose. I’d argue it’s some of the most accurate to gameplay tuning we’ve ever really gotten (and it’s just a reuse of Sienna’s). Perils of the Warp is kinda like starting a fire in the Immaterium. Just by involving it with a single manipulation of real space, it starts burning but will go out if you remove it from the equation, but if you keep using it? It’ll grow brighter and attract more attention

Which is kinda what the tentacles represent when you’re about to hit max perils

[prime tapir]

The imperium psychic potential mostly from their incredible infrastructure,

While the eldar is reliant on ritualistic apprenticeships and what not, humanity has almost industrialized the production of psychic raw materials and practitioners.

It puts a bit into perspective how scary the eldar at their peak must have been.

[rigid geyser]

Well so, not entirely. The Imperium has to churn people out for Psykers because it’s a lot similar to the Pariah gene situation where it’s a genetic mutation. But the Eldar were born with it, like all of them, ever. Every single Eldar is a practitioner whether they wanted to or not.

Humanity has capitalized on the oppression and wholesale of Psykers and some do get appreciated more than others, which is pretty interesting. But I do agree, Eldar were nuts during their empire which is why they birthed a god

[broken zenith]

It depends on the power level of the Psyker in question, Alpha and Alpha Plus are quite dangerous and are on apocalyptic scales. The Apex Twins as the Alpha Plus Psykers are a good example.
Alpha Plus level Rogue Psykers even get to mind control entire worlds, that's why they are ruthlessly hunted down by the Ordo Hereticus.

[prime tapir]

Damn, that's pretty cool

[broken zenith]

3E Codex: Witch Hunters - Adversaries had Rogue Psyker HQ choice to be used with Lost and the Damned army and the sweet Psychic Apocalypse rules to represent the sheer madness, you could even use WD 292 Chapter Approved - Creature Feature: Plague Zombies rules of Phil Kelly to represent the mind controlled masses that are enthralled to the Alpha level Rogue Psyker in question. WD 310 also had Unsane to represent a captured and exploited Alpha level Rogue Psyker during 4E as the Witch Hunters (Radical in this case).
FW later on with the 4E-7E R&H boutique army as the LatD successor also had dedicated Devotion to represent an Alpha-Alpha Plus level Rogue Psyker Warlord leading an army with Rogue-Primaris Witch Devotion of the Renegades of Vraks variant army list of the Renegades and Heretics from IA 5-6-7 SoV triology of 2007-2009 (4E-5E) and later on as standard Renegades & Heretics Devotion of IA13 7E 2014.

[broken zenith]

ikr

[night sorrel]

Imagine a 40k ork army but it’s a buncha scrap arc welded together but it actually look like ork figaz

Scrap art orks, bolts for feet, little wrenches for some hands and stuff, old shears for power claws and shootas made of pipe bits and things

[broken zenith]

Deathskulls would like that, kinda reminds me of the FW IA8 Dread Mob (and also WD 310 Warrior Constructs)

[night sorrel]

Obviously painted goff because goff goes good with blackened steel and actually painting all over scrap art makes it look more more crap than scrap

Tbh if you’ve got a good welder, grinder, and a good propane torch, it would be really easy to bend the metal and cut it ect

Hell, you could even rivet stuff together with real rivets!

The obvious benefit imo is that it would be unique and utterly badass, and also really tough, by several… hundred orders of magnitude, literally

[opaque vessel]

how small of a rivet would you need for some stuff though

also man this would be taking die-cast to a whole new level xd

[night sorrel]

The smaller a rivet, the easier it is to install (within reason.) I always underestimate how small 40k figures really are in principle, so this might be hard—but for tanks and other, boxy-type stuff, which is what I had in mind, rivets are generally extremely simple and fast to install.

I do posit that any rivets around sewing needle size are impossible, or at the very least very difficult, but in general the smaller a rivet the less force it needs to be installed which in turn makes it faster and easier, too. I work on plate armor irl as another hobby and an object of study, but I can say the force you need to deform a 2d steel rivet is almost nothin by comparison to a 3/8th dia. one

[unique berry]

Cheese

[opaque vessel]

i believe painting some scrap metal might actually look better than you think tho
since there are painting techniques specificly for painting scrap metal

[night sorrel]

That’s probably true, I trust your intuition

It’s more like, IMO, scrap metal usually oozes character.

It’s pitted, gouged, worn, dinted, beaten, scraped, rusty—looks just as ork armor should. Why bother painting it?

[opaque vessel]

get some rusty pieces for that extra flare around some parts

[opaque vessel]

DA RED ONES GO FASTA !

[night sorrel]

Or just rust em yerself haha, you have to remove the rust to make good welds first but aside from that, you’re good

[night sorrel]

Sure! But like I said, goff’s mostly dark steel colors with accents to begin with

[opaque vessel]

Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka is a Goff and he has plenty of red

[night sorrel]

The real best thing imo to make a scrap art ork thing would be one of them big’un robot things they have

[night sorrel]

Red accents, his main color’s farkin naked metal

[opaque vessel]

ya mean 'da warboss' stompa ? or 'da mek's deth kan

[night sorrel]

I meant the stompa, but both would be good

[opaque vessel]

A metal Stompa would be soo fuckin heavy

[night sorrel]

Nah, ‘s hollow

[opaque vessel]

true but it is still gonna weight like a die-cast transformer toy

[night sorrel]

Nah, cause those are mostly solid!

We’re talking maybe 6 pounds, if you can’t manage that you need to stop playing 40k games and see a doc

[opaque vessel]

look at the shape of the stompa some of these pieces will have to be full pieces not just sheets

and it is also roughly 10 inches tall

if we include the piping

‎2.25 x 9 x 6 inches with the plastic stompa weighing in at about 3 pounds

and the weight distribution is gonna be wonked

[night sorrel]

Nah the style will be different, the point is not to make solid metal figs same as normal

I said earlier, but the style is to do ork figs what look like they were made by real ork boyz fuckin’ around

To wit, if I could integrate bullet casings alot that would be cool

[vernal herald]

looks like maybe 4 lbs of weight

[slender orchid]

Love the stompa. Need to buy two more before GW jacks up the price like they did to the battlewagon

So, so bad in game though. Easiest super heavy to murder

[crisp heath]

Does chaos have hierarchies?

[plush mason]

yes

like it is called "chaos" but the forces of it are actually highly organized or well some of them are

chaos is more or less lawful evil in a lot of ways

[rose thorn]

They are less of a ‘chaos’ and more of a ‘change’

[copper cliff]

Well its cause reality is mostly a game. Inside their realms its a lot more wtf

[plush mason]

yeah

[rose thorn]

It’s kinda funny because demons see the hell scape of the warp as normal, and the mortal realm as weird and shit

[plush mason]

and there are factions within chaos that are just pure chaos and anarchy

[rose thorn]

‘Where are your flesh fountains and rivers of magma and books?’

[copper cliff]

Where is your infinite maze of 9 dimensions

[plush mason]

"where are your never ending orgies?. oh there they are in those towers"

[rose thorn]

Where is your garden of giant bugs and disease monsters that live in perfect harmony?

[copper cliff]

Not just orgies, torture orgies

Dark Eldar have that pretty tight

[plush mason]

im sure the imperium has those too

[rose thorn]

Where are your cars made of people stapled to more people

[plush mason]

not dark eldar level ofc

[rose thorn]

Funny that the dark eldar’s torture is much worse then Slaanesh torture

[copper cliff]

Where is your very angry men?

[plush mason]

literally everywhere

[copper cliff]

Oh

They can't be green

[plush mason]

says who? Khorne loves his green bois

[copper cliff]

He doesn't love green boys he just hates everyone including his followers

[rose thorn]

‘A chair made of needles that literally deactivate your nervous system while making everything you feel 10000 times more intense’ or ‘a fuckimg macujen that rips you apart and stitches you back together until you are made into a chair with your own bones stabbing into yourself’

[copper cliff]

He doth not care where from the blood flows.

[rose thorn]

He has mad respects tho

[plush mason]

that first one just makes 0 sense

[rose thorn]

Oh there’s a gift of Slaanesh that is a giant needle

That makes you unable to move or think while making you feel eveurbing 100 times worse

[copper cliff]

Dark Eldar tbh are just edgy writing taken to an extreme propped up by drip

[rose thorn]

It’s

A thing alright

[plush mason]

if it deactivates your nervous system you cant feel anything

[copper cliff]

Guarantee dark Eldar would be cringed at and forgotten if they didn't look so damn cool

[rose thorn]

And if they didn’t have

✨society✨

Their society is so fun and dumb it’s great

Ah yes of course the space pirates are your military force that live under monarchies

[copper cliff]

Dark Eldar are what happens when you let Lokhir Fellheart run a space empire

[rose thorn]

i love how like

2 thirds of the fighting force isnt even military

[copper cliff]

Which frankly is way more fun than Fantasy dark elves who are run by angsty elf Darth Vader

[rose thorn]

their AOS replacement is pretty fun and neat tbh the underwater elves

[copper cliff]

Yeah but I dont think lokhir made it

[rose thorn]

nope

hes dead

actually so is like

[copper cliff]

Which is weird right?

[rose thorn]

every named elf character

[copper cliff]

You make the new dark elves water elves and don't carry over Mr pirate elf?

Pin bot?

[rose thorn]

you make a vampire army and only have 3 vampire units that arent hqs

its a cruel world

[viscid moat]

Morathi is still kickin I think, Malekith and Teclis are gods iirc

[rose thorn]

i mean the pirate elves are still around

actually they just got thier own subfaction rules for cities of sigmar

[copper cliff]

But there shouldn't really be a reason why named elves from fantasy can't return in new forms since thats how the non named ones are but I guess they wanna separate things more but man do I like lokhir. Hes got no tragic backstory hes just a dick

[rose thorn]

its basically only dark elves allowed and exploding sixes and thats really it

i think theres some other stuff but i cant remember

[viscid moat]

its AoS man youre giving them too much credit, the bastards couldnt even update the old af skaven weapons teams in the wake of total warhammer making them a fan favourite faction.

sorry, EVEN MORE of a fan fave

[rose thorn]

old factions arent doing very well in aos tbh lmao

[copper cliff]

Total warhammer sounds like a warhammer+ show about blacksmiths making famous warhammer weapons

[rose thorn]

im so fucking anrgy LOTFP is gone

[viscid moat]

faction dosent get support, dosent do well, HMMMMMM

[rose thorn]

and is no longer a legal army

i have 2k points of demons sitting on my shelf and now if i want to play them i need to buy more fucking models to have mono god aos armies

[viscid moat]

no interest in disciples of belakor?

[rose thorn]

to be fair i was taking a break because i was expecting new demon models

[copper cliff]

When your expensive hobby is subject to the whims of a corporation

[rose thorn]

I havent looked at 40ks demons undivided but i heard they lack alot of flavor and arent as fun

[viscid moat]

name a hobby other than one the Amish practice that is not corporatized.

[rose thorn]

battletech

[copper cliff]

I write short stories

[rose thorn]

its like

6 bucks for everything you need

[viscid moat]

writing? with a quill? you amish sneak

[rose thorn]

print out the rules, print out the sheets, go to etsy and buy liek

[copper cliff]

I type on Google docs

[rose thorn]

8 models

[copper cliff]

Also singleplayer games. If I buy skyrim rn ill always be able to play skyrim.

Its not like Todd Howard will release a steel greatswords are now illegal update

[viscid moat]

its not like Todd Howard will release an update.

[copper cliff]

Special edition does get updates actually

But its just patches for creation club stuff so not really

[rose thorn]

inst like

[viscid moat]

lol exactly they make new games as a way of updates these days

[rose thorn]

all the creationstuff just 10 bucks now all together

[viscid moat]

which oddly is what they did back when i was a young'un

[rose thorn]

and bugs the fuck out of the games

[copper cliff]

Anniversary edition is all CC stuff

[rose thorn]

ahh

[copper cliff]

And yes cc stuff breaks game sometimes

You know what's great, them making tunnel snake cc content free for a limited time in fallout 4 even though that CC content causes a game breaking bug

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH who was the gay necron with Alzheimer's ?

thats what i was gonna sk

i think he kidnapped a whitescars captian and then let him go

[viscid moat]

Nemesor Zahndrekh

[rose thorn]

AH thanks

i was thinking that was him but i couldnt remember

[wraith socket]

What's one thing I could say to make a Space Wolf fan very upset

[viscid moat]

Awoo with me sister.

[celest dome]

Space Pug

[plush mason]

the Dark Angels are better. as a simi space wolf fan myself that hurt to type

[viscid moat]

I hate dark angels, never been a fan. If I go space marine I go sons of Dorn and run Imperial Fists

[rigid geyser]

Ask them where Leman was during the Siege

[storm jungle]

Im glad 40k isnt like this where factions constantly get updated

OH WAIT-

[fierce pendant]

Here's a 70$ army book so you can read funny lore and how shit your minis are in the current meta

[storm jungle]

NOOO-

[worn cargo]

Finally this’ll go well with my six thousand dollar investment.

https://tenor.com/view/heretic-heresy-warhammer-40k-gif-14404484

yeah that’s the stuff.

[unique berry]

Stop da Krieg 🤨

[acoustic yacht]

Or be me and build the most unhinged army you can imagine

[primal sonnet]

always remember the Siegfried tank

[hollow basin]

Steel legion r the most chad gasmask men

(Lots of DKOK fanboys will be upset)

[celest dome]

Steel Legion isn't even the most chad regiment of it's own planet

[acoustic yacht]

You are right, I am indeed upset

[hollow basin]

I am sorry my fellow guardsman

[acoustic yacht]

[hollow basin]

[acoustic yacht]

[hollow basin]

[unique berry]

What a beauty of a Tank

[prime kernel]

Isnt that a very weird volunteers regiment.

[unique berry]

Ork hunters something something

They fight like orcs etc

[storm jungle]

Armageddon Ork Hunters

they are just specialized at hunting orks

[final spruce]

Rip Yarrick

[broken zenith]

Ah, the good ol Armageddon Ork Hunters ❤️

[broken zenith]

ikr 😍

[gusty fulcrum]

they are basicly imperial/loyalist digganobs

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they mimic ork command structures kinda to fight them

There’s a great excerpt where one of their commanders duels a Ork Warboss while both sides just circle and cheer

[unique berry]

wholesome

[hollow basin]

Wonder if we'll get to see kasrkin in the live action like we do in Malleus

[gusty fulcrum]

and a popular figure so you wanna make sure you get him right

I heard alot compare him to black adder

havent seen much of the show to know

[sacred hemlock]

Sadly we all rely on GW to branch out. Like at this point you could branch with western animations, anime, movies, series etc. And you don't need to solely focus on Astartes you could tell minor stories about people that live in the hive worlds and so on.

Trigger is the sole reason that CP2077 got revived from the dead. Anime is all time high in the world, personally would be silly to not explore such venue but sadly I hold no position in GW administration to tell then about it. We just hope they do something

its an attempt for sure, but hoping for a proper investment campaign instead of those shy attempts that GW at this point is a trademark for then

[acoustic yacht]

Honestly, you could hire any studio...say Trigger, tell them what 40K is and let them do their thing and like whatever they give you, will be lore accurate despite them going nuts with it

[sacred hemlock]

It will depend on how much money you plan to invest, how many episodes you want your anime to have and of course if the studio is free to do it

Bones they would get a big no unless they had a fat check with their name

Oh yeah Trigger have the advantage of then being more flexible to deal with then, they even have a patreon. So easy access for comms and negotiation

The other studios you probably will need someone fluent in japanese for proper negotiations

[acoustic yacht]

Well other studios would be difficult

Which is why I mentioned Trigger because they are a lot easier to deal with

[copper cliff]

Orks da anime

[acoustic yacht]

Ok, it does hurt how like gunpla is like so cheap while 40k isn't xD. I have 3 gundams that I bought for like 75 euros in total and I can barely buy 2 squads of kriegers if I add like 15 more

[merry parrot]

Volumes and underpinning support, Bandai have a much more advanced manufacturing and development capability

[acoustic yacht]

They almost always have fairly intricate articulations and delicate parts to make them work

[merry parrot]

I would say it would make more sense for them to partner with Bandai as they do for the Astartes (which come in at about £80 - again volumes) to do something like a knight, but the price point would be nothing like a similar Gundam

Gundam is utterly huge in Japan, 40K doesnt have the same audience with the same focus

[acoustic yacht]

A fully articulated knight would be a dream

[gusty fulcrum]

and would probly make for some very intersting tales

since the imperium is so vast and dif from place to place

so you can have alot of variety

you could even have a tale taht sounds more fantasy then scifi and it would still work in 40k

have tales set in different period settings

[acoustic yacht]

40K Isekai with your average stupid MC and the harsh realities of the 41st Millenium where friendship and tolerance will get you tortured for eternity

[gusty fulcrum]

the tale of some dirt farmer on amediaval world suddenly finding out space is a thing

and its horribl

[copper cliff]

Its not even a 40k anime at first, its like a medieval fantasy world and then suddenly an imperium ship appears above the city

[acoustic yacht]

I would finally be able to stand watching them

[gusty fulcrum]

Ya thats whats awsome bout 40k

[acoustic yacht]

and you need the moment that it dawns upon the MC just how utterly fucked he is

[gusty fulcrum]

you can just pull the twist of but its actaully the future and space at any time

[primal sonnet]

Madhouse also exists, what did Mappa make

[copper cliff]

Don't tell anyone its a 40k anime until the reveal.

[acoustic yacht]

what if, MC is one feudal world having his magical adventure, Imperial ships shows up, everyone is confused af, Imperium does it's thing, MC tries to be a hero, only to be drafted

[primal sonnet]

"I was hit by a truck to save a girl, just to wake up in this hellhole"?

[gusty fulcrum]

I wanna say there are stories like that already

mostly short stories

theres one like that

[acoustic yacht]

I need a full on story

[gusty fulcrum]

but it turns out its a chaos world beign foaght over by slaanesh and khorne

its full novel

[acoustic yacht]

where as it was mentioned previously, the MC gets the stupid beaten out of him

[gusty fulcrum]

cant rememebr its name though

[gusty fulcrum]

pretty much

cuz its implied tzeetch was fuckign with him too

[acoustic yacht]

xD

Damn, if you remember the book, hit me up

I need me some good 40K Isekai (As close as it gets anyways)

[gusty fulcrum]

ya theres a subplot about the chaos marines on teh planet as well hunting down another one

and his ships like some darkage livign ship

[copper cliff]

Just imagining the entire first season is the "kingdom" fighting "daemons" to save their world and when they've finally defeated what they thought was the daemon god (it was just a greater daemon) suddenly above them a fleet of imperium ships arrive and that's when the show actually turns into sci fi horror.

[acoustic yacht]

Tho in the theoretical anime we we're discussing about, would be funny if MC gets drafted to Catachans, DKOK or other regiments where "life" is hard and have to cope with why is x regiment even a thing to begin with on his fantasy adventure

[gusty fulcrum]

Ya he tried to play hero to his village and frees a demon of khorne to help fend off the slaaneshi cult

but im sure you know how that tends to go

[acoustic yacht]

And I am all here for it

[acoustic yacht]

Man...can only dream that will happen one day

Not to mention, if done well, it could popularize 40K to the jap audience

[primal sonnet]

If only GW cared enough

[copper cliff]

"People of [insert planet here], do not interfere, our intentions are peaceful. We are the Imperium of Man."

[primal sonnet]

We all know they're weird with most of their investments

[acoustic yacht]

"I AM KIRITO AND I WILL DEFEND THIS VILLAGE AGAISNT YOU, EVIL EMPIRE"

"WITH THE POWER OF LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP"

[gusty fulcrum]

uhg google is of no help

and i cant remmeebr anyones name

havent read it since highschool

[copper cliff]

Space Marine drops down onto planet

https://youtu.be/PxKNZK_GMoY?t=14

[gusty fulcrum]

my fav scene

cuz that is what happened to me

cept i was like oh k when is the thing that gonna destory me show up cuz this is beign way to easy

[plush mason]

that animation is so great

[queen vale]

Im not sure if thats the thread but how likely do you guys think we will get the Ecclesiarchy Crusader as a subclass of the zealot?

[celest dome]

Possibly

[final spruce]

Could possibly work, they are still baseline humans without power armour

[celest dome]

Has been talked about ad eternam

Crusader armour being high trust cosmetics

[final spruce]

Or money

[dusk patrol]

It’s a common idea on here

And seems like a good fit for more of a defensive tank class for the zealot

[queen vale]

Ah sorry, i only recently joined.

[final spruce]

Thats fine lmao

At this point we are used to that

[celest dome]

True, but I expect normal Crusader to be a normal cosmetic, and then have a greater "Named" Crusader Cosmetic
Though honestly, for aesthetic/sense, I'd prefer if the Paid cosmetic is still tied to trust in some way

[final spruce]

Atleast we dont have the crusader in power armour argument

[final spruce]

Godfret the Monbard my beloved

[prime tapir]

Crusader does not seem unreasonable.

Need some zweihanders in darktide

[celest dome]

This one as paid, and the previous one as normal

[dusk patrol]

It’s not very different from the other stuff we’re already getting

[dusk patrol]

Yes please

Also mark that shit nsfw

It’s too hot

[arctic talon]

Also Cawl isn’t even a full blown heratek to some groups

[queen vale]

On another note which has also probably been discussed do you think an archo-flagellant subclass would be too OP to exist?

[arctic talon]

Politics in the admech are messy

[final spruce]

Godfret is not made for the human eye to bear witness

[dusk patrol]

Partially that

[arctic talon]

Won’t be able to talk

Is a big thing

[celest dome]

In game ? Doesn't work

[dusk patrol]

Partially, idk how it would be a character

[arctic talon]

^

[dusk patrol]

They’re really OP for one

[celest dome]

As enemy maybe, but it would be weird

[dusk patrol]

But also, like, preacher already kinda fills the niche it would I think

[queen vale]

I doubt it since they are exclusively ecclesiarchy

[celest dome]

Maybe, maybe not, Zealot Crusader could have a more Defensive approach

[dusk patrol]

Maybe a corrupted one but idk

[final spruce]

I dont think its about being Op, its mostly about Fatshark wanting banter. Arco flagellant would fall into the same category as combat servitor, hard to make banter for someone without a mind of their own

[arctic talon]

Tbh arco flagellants can still “talk”

[celest dome]

And the fact that Arco flagelant are mostly melee only

[prime tapir]

No, they’ll make it just as OP as it needs to be.

[arctic talon]

It’s mostly just screaming

Lol

[dusk patrol]

Also none of our convicts have done stuff which would warrant that which doesn’t help

[final spruce]

Read what I say, its about banter, because a servitor can still talk

[queen vale]

They could add banter to the other members of the squad were they complain they were sent on a mission with a psycho archo flaggelant 😄

[dusk patrol]

Acro-flagellants are like, absurdly evil people

[prime tapir]

They could put in greater daemons and just nerf the shit out of them — it’s their prerogative.

[arctic talon]

I already mentioned that earlier

[dusk patrol]

It takes a lot for them to be made

[final spruce]

True but that doesnt fit the dev narrative sadly so Id say a hard no on my end

[arctic talon]

Funny torture machines

[dusk patrol]

It lacks versatility too

Especially with weapons

[queen vale]

Its just in the novels they are extremely OP thats why im saying it.

[celest dome]

I though we were in the theorycrafting channel, didn't notice we were in lore chat

[queen vale]

It would basicaly be a dwarf slayer tho, melee only

[final spruce]

Same lmao

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but they tend to not even have like proper weapons

They use the whips or other inbuilt weapons

Generally

[final spruce]

Thing is in Darktide you need ranged or you get fucked

[celest dome]

But any Archetype/class would need 3 things:

• Melee and Ranged
• Weapon availability (Bonus if weapon overlap)
• Personality

[queen vale]

Wait but that disqualifies a Sister Repentia bro 😦

[celest dome]

Yes

SoB are honestly mostly out of the door with Zealot making them redundant

[dusk patrol]

Sister Repentia is the Preacher basically anyways

In how they would function as a class

[final spruce]

Our Zealot gets an eviscerator so they lready can be a repentia

[queen vale]

Still would like to see them tbh

[dusk patrol]

You can

Just make a female preacher

Use eviscerator

Wear shabby clothes

[celest dome]

The only way to make some SoB archetype that would be different enough from the Zealot would be if they made it about the Act of Faith (Their sort of magic)

[dusk patrol]

I think it’s super unlikely they are gonna make a class which is gender locked too

Maybe a new archetype

[celest dome]

As for the melee only way to play, I think you might be able to like Ogryn, playing with the Shield and a Grenadier Gauntlet

[celest dome]

Ogryn is genderlocked

[dusk patrol]

But the only reason Ogryn is, is because GW has no official depictions of Ogryns

Female Ogryns*

[celest dome]

There are in the books,

[dusk patrol]

We know they exist and we’ve seen them in books

But no actual depictions

[celest dome]

Even a Psyker Ogryn lady

[dusk patrol]

Yes I’m aware

But we have no idea what they look like really

And GW for now isn’t interested in letting FS decide that

[queen vale]

as a final question on my part for today do you think we will ever see Necromunda gangers? Because it opens up literally like 10 more characters all with fairly unique stuff.

[celest dome]

Not really

[dusk patrol]

Very unlikely

We might see gangers

But Necromunda stays on Necromunda

More or less

[celest dome]

Necromunda isn't in the same sector (As far as we know)

And Ganger is such a varied thing that it will most likely be a smaller sub group

[queen vale]

Why tho?

[dusk patrol]

Because that’s how it works for 40k

[celest dome]

People don't really emigrate a lot, unless they join the IG

[dusk patrol]

Necromunda is borderline it’s own little universe

GW keeps the stuff for it on that planet

[celest dome]

Well we know that some lesser gang left the planet when they could to start their own gangs elsewhere

[dusk patrol]

Also, it’s just too specific

[shadow plover]

Necromunda is it's own location, it's like having Tau in Darktide

[dusk patrol]

Like we’re not gonna get a “Catachan” class most likely

We might get a melee focused dude which is reminiscent of them

[celest dome]

I could go with killing a Tau, has been a long time since I've done it

[dusk patrol]

And cosmetics for them

[celest dome]

Brawler

[dusk patrol]

But the way the game is built its general classes

Not specifics like that

So we might get a ganger

[queen vale]

That doesnt answer my question.
A van saar ganger can be imprisoned by the authorities and sent to Tertium, where the acolyte gives him back his gear

[dusk patrol]

Which harkens to Necromunda in some ways

[celest dome]

That's just Tech Adept but with more convoluted steps

[dusk patrol]

And a Space Marine could fuck up and be taken by the Inquisition and used on Tertium

[queen vale]

Not really its some dangerous grassroots/archeotech that slowly kills them

[dusk patrol]

It’s STC tech which gives off massive amounts of radiation

[queen vale]

Now you're just being a contrarian. A ganger isnt a space marine

[dusk patrol]

Yes but my point is it’s not how they’ve built the game and the character maker

[celest dome]

We might get some Necromunda inspired cosmetic, would be an easy way to include it, like Goliath Ogryn, Vet Esher/Orlock, Psyker Delague, Zealot Cawdor (Though Redemptionist could be a likely class for the Zealot)

[dusk patrol]

I could definitely see Necromunda inspired outfits

[queen vale]

the Archetype could be Necromundan and the subclasses the various gangs

[shadow plover]

A ganger class is very much a possibility but it being a specific Necromunda ganger is quite unlikely

[celest dome]

Still is a Tech Adept but with more convoluted steps

[dusk patrol]

And that’s against everything to do with how they’ve built the games classes and archetypes

[celest dome]

The gang are way to different for it to work

[dusk patrol]

Not to mention it’s not like, a Necromunda game. GW doesn’t let people port Necromunda stuff to other areas ever that I can recall.

There’s way too many houses too

[queen vale]

with the exception of a goliath they are all pretty human

*normal human

[dusk patrol]

That’s definitely debatable with how some of them function

[celest dome]

Esher are only women, Orlok is made pretty much of Psyker only, Cawdor are basically a sub group of a sub group of Zealot

[dusk patrol]

Like Van Saar are all dying of cancer, Delaque I believe are all psykers, there’s a lot which are given bionics, esker are hopped up on combat drugs.

[celest dome]

Vaan Saar has access to stuff the other shouldn't

[dusk patrol]

It’s just too much

And it’s too specific still

All the other archetypes could exist on almost any world

[celest dome]

Esher are hopped up on home made and better grade stuff, not the sewer stuff the other gang put in their body

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but they’re still all jacked up on that shit

[celest dome]

Yes, but it's better qualitiy stuff, other wise pretty much all of them are on various stuff

[dusk patrol]

But putting it all aside, it’s just too specific for what the game has setup for us so far

Like we’re not gonna get a Catachan or Iron Guard soldier

[queen vale]

i'd love a delaque Sniper-Assassin

[dusk patrol]

We have guardsmen

[celest dome]

Specific stuff could appear as cosmetic down the line, but not as class/archetype

[queen vale]

So what other archetypes could we expect?

[dusk patrol]

And Necromunda is wwwwaaaaaayyy too fucking broad. You could have like 60 classes from all their different dudes and shit.

[dusk patrol]

Some kind of Tech Adept is often mentioned.

[queen vale]

You think fatshark wont milk it?

[dusk patrol]

They’re releasing 4 classes a year so far

[celest dome]

Tech Adept
And if they make a second, maybe SoB reject, but really going as far as possible in the Act of Faith

[dusk patrol]

So no I don’t think they’re on that kind of schedule

I think some kind of ganger is possible

[celest dome]

But I'm not counting on a 2nd archetype

[storm jungle]

Fatshark will milk what they think is fitting to the game.

Necromunda as Eternal has said is entirely its own thing

[dusk knot]

hive ganger could be something

[queen vale]

This dude would literally be kerilian from Vermintide with his knives. Easy money

[dusk patrol]

It’s totally possible we get Necromunda cosmetics

[queen vale]

Both Necromunda and Tertium are planets in the imprioum tho, thats why i cant agree with you (and because i want my delaque assasin)

[dusk patrol]

Although I think stuff like Salvar Chem Dogs is more likely

[storm jungle]

Again. Necromunda is its own thing.

[dusk knot]

are leagues of votann not imperium?

[dusk patrol]

So is Terra, it doesn’t mean we’re getting Lucifer Blacks in the game

[storm jungle]

everything that happens there stays in that planet

[dusk patrol]

No

[celest dome]

Was gonna say that

[dusk knot]

but y

[dusk patrol]

They’re uneasy allies sometimes

[storm jungle]

because they are their own race

and they dont like the Imperium lol

they got enough leverage to be their own superpower

[dusk knot]

good for them

[storm jungle]

as Eternal said some Leagues will do merc work for them

but thats more or so where the "alliance" ends

mostly because half the stuff they do as a society can be considered blasphemous by the Imperials

[dusk patrol]

They play nicer than most factions but yeah at the end of the day they’re like, ok at best typically

But they do trade and stuff

[queen vale]

Talking of stunties i bet we get Ratlings and you literally cant convince me otherwise.

[final spruce]

I hope

[dusk patrol]

Ratlings I think could happen

[celest dome]

I'm fully on the side that Ratling don't fit the mechanic of the game

[dusk patrol]

A lot of people are doubters

[dusk knot]

not a big fan of their aesthetic

[dusk patrol]

But ignore them

[dusk knot]

to "generic spacemen"

[celest dome]

Cover system would be weird for them, and they aren't really known to fight in melee, and everything they do can be done by others

[dusk knot]

there's not really a cover system

[queen vale]

I care not, i want my ratlings!

[dusk patrol]

Who needs cover when you can do this?

Idk, I could see them happening but I wouldn’t bet money on it

The main issue I see is I’m not sure on variety for them

[celest dome]

More like Object are as tall as they are, they can't really shoot over boxes and such

[storm jungle]

Lmao

i completely forgot about this

[dusk knot]

cover shooting, cringe

[storm jungle]

its such a good point too

[queen vale]

Smaller target tho

[dusk patrol]

Their ability will be a tactical rock obviously

[dusk knot]

the gun should be through the enemy

[dusk patrol]

Or tactical footstool

[celest dome]

Sharpshooter/Sniper; Raketeer (Ranger, being able to find more loots); Cook (Support)

[dusk patrol]

Behold

[dusk patrol]

The tactical rock

[celest dome]

They were based on Hobbit

So it make sense

[storm jungle]

Welsh Moment

[dusk knot]

which came first: the hobbit or the halfling?

[queen vale]

i want a ratling with two fuckhuge knives charging at the heretics

[dusk patrol]

The welsh are hobbits

[storm jungle]

Halflings

Ratlings more or so closely after it

[celest dome]

Hobbit, as LotR was written in 1954

[storm jungle]

Yeah then Warhammer Fantasy put em in there

40k followed after it

because again welsh parody

[celest dome]

And the first mention of Halfling seem to be in 2000 ?

Is that even possible ?

[gray mulch]

I really really want ratlings, they're my favorite

[storm jungle]

Warhammer more or so copied it either way so eh

[celest dome]

Just don't look at Dune, LotR and which one was the last one ?

[dusk knot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfling

[gray mulch]

But sadly their whole thing is being sharpshooters, and since the first class for the Vet is literally Sharpshooter, i think it's unlikely that we'll get them

[storm jungle]

Good

[dusk patrol]

Dilara hates smol people

[dusk knot]

good thing ogryn big, more to hug

[celest dome]

But I'm a smol person

[gray mulch]

Though it would be hilarious if it is just a subclass of veteran and they're just all "secretly a ratling the whole time"

[celest dome]

Would be quite a lot of work

[rocky dune]

Gotta ask, do we have any proof Angron killed Yarrick, or are those just theories?

The skull on the necklace people keep pointing to has service studs if you look close

[dusk patrol]

It’s just theories and potentially a leak

But it’s Valrak

Who is uh

Inconsistent

[tired umbra]

Also a chode

[celest dome]

Very leak exited

[dusk patrol]

Just wait and see is the best advice I can give

[rocky dune]

Imagine if after all the hubbub Yarrick is still alive lol

[celest dome]

How many time has Valark predicted the return of a Primarch now?

[rocky dune]

Every time anything of note happens

[celest dome]

Either Lion or Dorn, don't remember though

[mossy mortar]

I wouldn't count on new archetypes for at least a few years. The amount of extra voiceacting they'd have to record would be considerable

[mossy mortar]

Inquisition secretly arrested him but eventually they say screw it we need this guy and let him back out

[broken zenith]

Valrak class when

[crisp heath]

Need melee Veteran

Catachan When

[celest dome]

Catachan would be a cosmetic

Brawler is a type of Guard

[dusk patrol]

You can tell he’s like he is cause how he do

[celest dome]

I just aren't sure what the grenade/ability should be

Krak grenade would be quite fitting, offensive grenade

Or maybe Melta grenade

[dusk patrol]

Maybe some kind of concussion grenade

I wanna just say they should get flashbangs too

[celest dome]

Could

[mossy mortar]

https://vxtwitter.com/haultrukkz/status/1589239374910468099

[mossy mortar]

I want an upper body outfit that gives you giant oiled pecs and biceps. Amd a red bandanna hat

[snow fern]

Do you think most of the horrors that occurred during the Horus Heresy could’ve gone better if somebody discovered the stc labelled common sense?

[tired umbra]

Perturabo would have smashed that shit to pieces out of spite

[broken zenith]

iron within
iron without

[tired umbra]

Manchild within

Manchild without

[broken zenith]

from iron, cometh strength.
from strength, cometh will

[storm jungle]

Don't tell that time of Dorn having a tantrum and not wanting to believe Horus went traitor

or how literally almost all loyalist primarchs have manchild moments

[hushed kayak]

lmao garro getting swunged around

[storm jungle]

my lad just wanted to tell the truth

insert word bearers meme here

[copper cliff]

40k if people talked about their problems

https://tenor.com/bCZzQ.gif

[odd palm]

Looking at the primarch handbook, says here that’s it’s okay to wound or kill the messenger now and then

So Garro, Berossus or Nemiel punting is well within regulations

[crisp heath]

Are Blood Angels or Space Wolves the fiercest melee fighters in the Astartes?

[odd palm]

On average I’d say the Wolves. But even the most berserk wolfen doesn’t hold a candle to the death company

[copper cliff]

Yeah but wulfen don't get executed after the fighting's done. So I think its a fair trade.

[odd palm]

Though I’d count the Minotaurs, Black Templars and White Scars as fierce melee fighters by the standards of the astartes

[odd palm]

True enough

[rustic spruce]

you think they'll ever get around to bringing Leman or Jaghatai back

[craggy zenith]

I think eventually if not bring them back we'll see what happened to them

but it would be such a massive shift to bring multiple primarchs back it would be a little crazy

[brittle nebula]

Yes but this is 40k we are talking about. Crazy is not the worst that could happen.

[rustic spruce]

bring leman back and have him call magnus a massive nerd

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-chaos-emperor-text-to-speach-magnus-the-red-gif-25195313

[rustic spruce]

Vulkan's chilling on some rock somewhere

[brittle nebula]

Oh most definitely

[copper cliff]

Have all the primarchs come back but switched bodies for fun and confusion.

[copper cliff]

Catachans: Live on dangerous planet covered in hazardous flora and fauna of varying degrees of vicious and toxic.

Also Catachans: Dress in levels going from shirtless to sleeveless vest.

[odd palm]

What trauma does to a mf

[opaque vessel]

Which 2 primarchs are your favourite guys ?

I would have to go for lord dadorable rogal dorn

And Magnus the red

and just to explain rogal

[old trench]

I think TTS made everyone a fan of Rogal Dorn and Magnus the Red

[earnest remnant]

What is sorcery?

[odd palm]

Favourite? Rogal and Perturabo

[spark relic]

You know when you push your eyelids so hard you start seeing shapes and colours? Yeah, that's pretty much it, but others can see them too!

[vale atlas]

https://youtu.be/GvD0EBfjVQw

[storm jungle]

Valrak is the last guy you should trust with any information

wait until the codex is actually out

[midnight parcel]

Knowing GW, yarrik could be dead, ascend to living saint, become a dreadnought or go straight to primaris... Nothing wouldsuprise me anymore

[storm jungle]

Hes a guard character not a space marine character

hes gonna be rotting in the dirt

Not enough $$$ for him

[alpine ingot]

allow me to drop some brain poison: An Imperator Titan tops out at 110 meters tall, Dai-Gurren from TTGL tops out at 200 meters... and it can fly.

[opaque vessel]

honestly

if yarrick became a primaris

people would be fuming

[proper cave]

How about a planet, but its the central node for the worst petrochemical industries. Unimaginable quantities of extracted chemicals are simply saturated from orbit into the planets atmosphere where it will fall as stone-melting acid rain and collect in fuming caustic oceans. To then be pumped up to be processed and cracked apart into its constituent elements in gigantic smoke-belching petrochemical refineries. Minerals and organics are spacedropped by the megatonne. Mixed and concentrated into a bewildering array of chemicals and powders. Not as pure as it could be, but it can be produced in such astounding quantities that the deficiencies are acceptable. The skies are pitch-black, lit only by the blinding flames of gigantic overflow-torches and the periodically raging tar-ocean fires that rapidly exhaust the sparse oxygen leaking from the crumbling bedrock of this dying planet. Penal-workers are driven forward with gunfire, sent on military-style suicide charges to make it a hundred metres from the airlock and close the valve at the end of a yard before they are reduced to sludge.

[crisp heath]

No thought

[celest dome]

And Drunken Russ

[copper cliff]

Dear Slaanesh

If you strive for perfection

Why are all your creations asymmetrical.

Curious.

[celest dome]

What tell you that perfection is symmetrical ?

[final spruce]

"Symmetry is so boring!"

[copper cliff]

Evolutionarily people are attracted to symmetry. Both in terms of physical appearance of other people and also in general design.

[wide dagger]

As far as I know, Slaanesh doesn't strive for perfection, but for excess.
certain Slaanesh followers seek excessive perfection (such as Sigvald the magnificent, fitting your symmetrical perfection description), but mostly Slaanesh demons appear as something desirable to an excessive point beyond imperium's moral standards (androgynous asymetrical beings, forcing minds to accept their deviancy by desiring things that encompass all what is wrong for their culture's standards).

on another note it's only a point of view to see symmetry as perfection.
Demon as being not made from materials or anything from this dimension, aren't subject to physical laws and such can display asymetry without any body function impaired.

[copper cliff]

Slaanesh is kind of subject to physical laws because without people to be horny what even is slaanesh smh

[wide dagger]

that's psychological

[plush mason]

and then there are those that prefer asymmetry

[copper cliff]

It was mostly a joke and you guys are missing the obvious answer. Slaanesh daemons are meant to express both genders because they are creatures of excess and emotions so if they're only feminine or only masculine they're missing out on a whole other range of expression.

[wide dagger]

True. Looks like I was the Fun ruiner here :p
Also androgynous Slaanesh design dates from 90's so it's also an outdated version of what is seen socially "forbidden"

and thus very slaaneshy, because going beyond limits is... well..Excess :p

sorry for ruining your groove ^^'

[copper cliff]

Lmao nothings ruined because I didn't get into my debate perverts version of the black rage

[wide dagger]

ooooh, you had my curiosity... now you have my attention 😄

[crisp heath]

Blumen

[copper cliff]

Tbh I only really like slaanesh designs in the context of tww3 because looking at slaanesh models i can't imagine ever being seduced by that shit. But daemonettes in tww3 although not like crazy hot models or anything and are still very obviously creature like. They look more realistically appealing.

Especially of youre like a sex starved cretin in nordland

[wide dagger]

it's hard for games or any video media to depicture something as a warp demon that is made for psycho-active matter. Khorne's bloodletters can induce rage to everything in their vicinity and are also reinforced by those violent emotions.
Same thing for slaanesh's demons somewhat appearing as what one would view as desirable and would drive a nearby mind more attacted to them.
Any depiction is limited in that fashion and daemonettes or other Slaanesh demons in book are more abstract in their description to let the reader forge the picture themselves.

tabletop models just went "put boobs and weird disturbing features, kthx"

[copper cliff]

Yeah I just mean I feel like it's a cop out to design something generically evil looking and just say it has an "aura." Easier to suspend disbelief if I can imagine actually being attracted to it lol instead of just being like magically turned on.

[wide dagger]

true

[opaque vessel]

i mean i believe the daemonettes we see

aren't their 'pretty forms'

but their true forms

[smoky shore]

Hey, just a question from the lore perspective. I'm wondering how realistic it is, to have eldar or let's say techpriest as playable operatives in Darktide in the future, given the premise of the game, which appears to be "condemned criminals sent to frontline as cannon fodder" :D. Would that be too outrageous from the lore perspective, which would rule these classes out or could it be plausible to have them?

[fickle mural]

I could see techpriest being sent there for getting too close to heretek territory, but not quite close enough to warrant them being scrapped, though personally if we're talking AdMech I just wanna see Skitarii

although I'm no expert so I can't say if any of that would be viable

[final spruce]

That would be more fitting in #theorycrafting but the rundown would be :

• An eldar wouldn't be used in these situations plus they would likely fuck off or foresee you throwing them in a situation like that.
• Tech-priests are from a different faction that is more or less on equal footing with the Inquisition and Tech-Priests are the name for the full robed ones with a decent amount of cybernetics, those guys are usually well above, wether it be rank or powerlevel what we play currently in Darktide.

[fickle mural]

well there you have it

Also don't fret about Yarrick guys, he's sitting comfortably at 1hp

[smoky shore]

In this case I think it's fitting question here, because I didn't really want to discuss the potential kit of these classes. I'm just wondering if they make sense lore-wise, because I assume Fatshark won't just slap non-sense playable character into the game, like necron warrior for example. So I guess some interesting operator choices can be ruled out based on lore, unless they get their own unique background and introduction into the story. Kinda like Tech-Priest in Inquisitor: Martyr (I think they have different intro).

[final spruce]

Darktide seems to be heading for a more grunts and boots on the ground type style.
So far 2 of the starting archetypes are from the Imperial guard and the others are humans / mutants that you usually see in said army or in the Imperium at large so any xenos, for now is unlikey.

If you really want someone from the Mechanicum, I guess you could expect something like a tech-adept, aka a tech-priest in training but still a grunt, or skitarii, but these guys tend to be quite chunky and augmented too so that would really depend what Fatshark wants to give people.

Also so far all the characters are convicts, so a easy guess would be a hive ganger archetype, would explain why they got so many convicted or in penal legions while giving us another view of the Impeirum aswell.

[smoky shore]

OK, makes sense, thanks for the info. I vaguely recall skitarii being some androids/cyborgs (not sure which one), so I'm not sure they would ever become the subject of their penal system, but maybe they can "work around" here, if at least the power level feels appropriate 😅

[final spruce]

Android means a fully robotic sapient creature, cyborg is half human half robot aka what the Mechanicus is at large

[smoky shore]

Yep, I know the difference, but I don't know which one of these are the skitarii. Whether they are augmented humans or robots

[fickle mural]

you trying to tell me that there's a fully robotic sapient creature in my smartphone?

[final spruce]

However I will say that Fatshark did allow us to play ogryns, aka abhumans that are stronger and tougher than Space Marines so the power scaling is not entirely super weak, if we forget the fact that they are slow, can't take cover and are stupid

[fickle mural]

I keep wondering, if they ever were to make new careers for current classes, what would that be? what other flavours of Psykers, Zealots, Veterans and Ogryns could we see?

[final spruce]

Ah, Skitarii are the common troups of the Mechanicus, they are heavily augmented humans, either people conscripted, Vat grown or sometimes willing people, augmented to the point they can wield weapons using uranium and high levels of electricity that would kill a man after a few hours of use. They are also linked to tech-priests via the Noonsphere and obey their directives

[smoky shore]

OK, then I guess it's a question of, how human is the brain. If the brain is capable of "crime" and if the solution is criminal sentence, rather than "wipe and reboot", I'm not sure on that part

[final spruce]

Thats more for theorycrafting but so far Fatshark has promised 1 class per archetype for 2023.

[final spruce]

Skitarii still have sapiency and free will but they only need one tech-priest to be near and they suddenly become pawns

So a criminal skitarii would be either a full reboot, placed under a techpriest that always uses his connexion or servitorized

[fickle mural]

I know they did, I'm just wondering from the lore standpoint what would make sense? I have no idea what could be possible

[smoky shore]

Got it, that makes them feel unlikely to happen. And I guess their uranium ammo could make the surrounding conditions kinda unlivable for the rest of the team on higher difficulty with friendly fire too. It's kind of a shame, but hopefully they will manage to fit some interesting new archetype into the game anyway.

[final spruce]

Ah, well Veteran is from the Imperial Guard so they could be anything, from ehavyw eapon specialised, to a melee bruiser, to a sharpshooter or a field medic / surgeon, Ogryns are usually shock troops so either bullgryns, brawlers or gun luggers, psykers have so many different powers and disciplines its hard to put them in cases apart from Astropath, Telepath and the flavours, and Zealot can be anything related to the Ministorum really

[smoky shore]

Nice, that sounds good. I kinda like the Astra Militarum archetype, so I hope they will get more varied subclasses and it's good lore supports that pretty easily

[final spruce]

Also sorry if i'm a bit slow or don't give too much precisions i'm also playing at the same time

[celest dome]

Zealot will most likely get the Non IG warrior types, so Crusaders, Redemptionist and such, but could also get Arbiters/Enforcer by associations

Psyker most likely will get class that are tied to the Disciplines, like Pyromancy, Biomancy, Divination, Telepathy

Maybe Theology and that other one too, but much less likely

If we get additional archetypes, then it would most likely be a Tech/Admech themed one, then with a big IF, if we get a 2nd additional one, then it's very much up to what they want to do. But I think it's going to stand out as much on mechanics and aesthetics.

[copper cliff]

I think a ganger is more likely than admech. Like way more likely. Since this is a humanist game not a transhumanist game.

[celest dome]

Would you consider the Ogryn to not stray from the "humanist" subtype ?

And Ganger don't really mean anything anyway

[copper cliff]

Ganger would just be an archetype of a reject gun nut who wasn't previously associated with the imperial guard. They would probably cover a lot of the cybernetics department people want from admech while still being a grounded person and not a robot cultists. And no. I think Ogryns have more humanity than admech in every aspect. And even more than most people frankly.

[celest dome]

Well we'll see

[copper cliff]

Plus youd have more class options for ganger. Because there is more characteristic diversity like hired gun, chem dog, etc. But admech are more uniform from my understanding so there wouldn't be much unique to each class that wouldn't also be unique to any other admech class.

[broken zenith]

bounty hunter subclass would be cool

[copper cliff]

Yeah. If they do zealot again already they could make a ganger bounty hunter.

Plus potential story beats would be both simple and diverse since all hive cities have crime and stories beyond the generic was soldier then wasn't, rip rations.

Wouldn't have to do a whole song dance about why admech do this and that with one of their minions to end up with the rejects.

[dusk knot]

I feel like too many guard regiments are underrepresented

with the variety of space marines

I would like the same for the guard

[dusk patrol]

tbh, there’s an absurd numbers of regiments

SM will always have a lot of representation because they make the big bucks but there’s a lot of regiments who get their time

[atomic pelican]

No one gets the variety that marines get. Its not viable to model every subfaction

Guard already have more subfactions modelled than basically anyone else other than marines

[broken zenith]

3E-4E had many IG variant armies :c
and also RIP FW IA range

[dusk patrol]

Guard used to have a lot of models but they didn’t sell as well so eventually they got discontinued

They’ll probably slowly bring some back overtime

Some as upgrade sprues I imagine

[copper cliff]

Problem is a lot of guard regiments are like 1 pack from 1993

[dusk patrol]

Oh definitely

[broken zenith]

Tanith :c
It's nice of GW to update the Gaunt's Ghosts into plastic as HQ choice, but I still miss the Tanith variant army list

[dusk patrol]

But that’s how updates work

Takes some time

[copper cliff]

Tyranid players going hollow painting the same model but in varying sizes over and over again

[lilac loom]

Do Cavendish banana's still exist in 40k?

[celest dome]

Do Cavendish banana still even exist ?

[lilac loom]

Cavendish is the like, main one still. You might be thinking of the Gros Michel which is the one Cavendish replace cuz of some mold or something

[broken zenith]

Wish 4E 2006 Medusa V/Cities of Death/WD 318 pewter Vostroyan Firstborn would return in plastic, they were just too expensive to collect at the time :I
https://web.archive.org/web/20070223211237/http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=List_Models&code=301819&orignav=10

[mossy mortar]

Gros michel still exist too https://miamifruit.org/products/gros-michel-banana-box-order

[mossy mortar]

Bananas no longer exist, but some of yhe genes were incorporated into the Ploin

[lilac loom]

ye i meant replaced as in it was replaced as the most common nanner

also the fuck is a ploin

[mossy mortar]

it's a fruit

you eat em

[snow fern]

People eat fruit? I thought it was a decoration with short shelf life?

[lilac loom]

you dont eat fruit you drink it

fruit comes in a bottle from the store

[plush mason]

lmao

[mossy mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIVlpL38_Do

[lilac loom]

if you eat the date then how do u know what day it is

you should dont

[arctic talon]

Tanith do have a regimental doctrine tbf

[broken zenith]

Tanith didn't have a Regimental Doctrine in 8E, the rules of which carried over to 9E until now, you had to create your own custom regiment using 8E PA:TGG custom regiment rules for a Tanith army with 2021 9E Gaunt's Ghosts HQ choice as BL datasheet if desired, Robbin Crudace on WarCom recommended using Wilderness Survivors and Disciplined Shooters as the Custom Regimental Doctrines to better reflect Tanith, just like how the upcoming 9E dex is just reducing 8E Regimental Doctrines to the 8E PA:TGG Custom Regimental Doctrines, the same custom Doctrines can be used to create any random Regiment as WarCom today elaborated on.

*Robin: There’s absolutely no reason you can’t use this datasheet as part of an ‘all-Tanith’ army if you want, simply by replacing the <Regiment> keyword on all your units with Tanith. If you do so, you can also take advantage of the Regimental Doctrines in Psychic Awakening: The Greater Good to reflect the First and Only’s unique battle styles.

The Tanith are a light infantry regiment renowned for their stealthiness and their marksmanship. As such, we recommend using the Wilderness Survivors and Disciplined Shooters regimental doctrines to best reflect their background on the tabletop. *
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/08/ever-wanted-to-field-an-entire-squad-of-specialist-heroes-gaunts-ghosts-have-you-covered/

[copper cliff]

When my son angron a guy full of stuff in his brain that makes him endlessly angry falls to the God of anger. 😔

[shadow trench]

can anyone tell me what the insignia's stand for on here?

[celest dome]

Veteran, Psyker, Zealot and Ogryn

In order

[shadow trench]

perfect nice one

[storm jungle]

We also got them in emote format

[shadow trench]

cool thanks my gf is gna paint them on my nails but wanted to know what they specifically mean :D

[unborn gust]

How fucked is Angron now that he killed Yarrick?

[storm jungle]

None

hes a daemon prince

lmao

Also Ghaz wouldn't give a single shit about Yarrick. At the end of the day hes just a favored enemy, he has never went out of his way to do anything to him aside from fighting.

The "nicest" thing he has done is just send him packing back to Armageddon in Chains of Golgotha.

[barren tapir]

So, yarrick is ded uh... Sad to hear so, same with Bastonne... Great chars sacrificed on the altar of GW incompetence... At least we got uhhhh check notes the daugther of creed that spawned out of thin air... Welp

[storm jungle]

We literally

have no

confirmation yet

people will eat anything valrak/grimdank will dump out

[shadow plover]

and why is it so hard to believe that Creed had a daughter

[storm jungle]

People dislike new things.

👩‍🦼

[dusk knot]

also women

[unborn gust]

Who the fuck is Creed again?

Is he the dude on cadia?

[cerulean wagon]

ye

[dusk knot]

big cape guy

[unborn gust]

He’s the Mfer who threw hands with Abby right

Now I remember him

[barren tapir]

We don't? I took you talking about it as confirmation enough REEEEEE

[storm jungle]

💀

[storm jungle]

Well "threw" hands as in let his guards do all the fighting while he just stood around and looked cool.

Abby stabbed him afterwards

[plush mason]

if the new codex isnt even out yet where the hell did Valrak get his info for that video? his ass?

[storm jungle]

Probably.

[shadow plover]

his "reliable" sources

[barren tapir]

That is not the hard part, fucking is a duty on Cadia... Well, was... And even commanders must complete such duty, the thing that irks me is that we had already tons of nice chars that got erased like thanos snap, chars that were already established

[storm jungle]

Characters get terminated from codexes all the time

this is just an over-reaction

[plush mason]

so his ass got it

[dusk knot]

the "need money so I'll make shit up" source

[storm jungle]

Like if hes dead we'll see when the damn book is out

people are just really brigading atm with no evidence

[dusk knot]

what if I just say no

I can do this I'm from ork land

[storm jungle]

No need to be an ork

just be a based fiction enjoyer

[dusk knot]

what do you think orks are

[cerulean wagon]

tbf in this instace we are losing all known IG characters bar the catachan ones

[barren tapir]

So, the community swinged from "yarrick is alive because waagh energy" to "yarrick is dead sigh"... Damn, this is what i get from not having enough time to keep up with news

[storm jungle]

god

[storm jungle]

Thats genuinely hilarious yeah

literally took like what

a day

[dusk knot]

I got told he was both slain by angeron or killed by old age

[storm jungle]

the angron thing is super wrong

it literally spawned from:

angron has new mini

One of his chain belts has a skull with a bionic eye

oh no

its not like other imperials got that bionic too

[dusk knot]

yet the former is more believable

[storm jungle]

it would be a lot like Volkmar the Grim from Fantasy turning into a chaos-standard banner in the End Times lol

[dusk knot]

the butts match

[plush mason]

like. that isnt even remotely the right facial hair /s

[sterile willow]

wait, so volkmar didnt end up as a banner?

[storm jungle]

no he did

Nameless is just being sarcastic

with Yarrick its like

"this skull on angron's mini has a bionic eye"

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

okay, so does every imperial person in the galaxy

[sterile willow]

oh, thought i didnt read my lore correctly

rip old bale eye

[dusk knot]

pretty much most commissars do

[unborn gust]

Can kill with a look

[plush mason]

honestly. what other fate could the end times have possibly given the leader of the cult of sigmar?

[storm jungle]

Yeah honestly it is pretty funny

[sterile willow]

wasnt there like a laser in bionic eye you can shoot

[storm jungle]

the other option was dying because he forgot to close the door

like Thorgrim

KEK

[plush mason]

the whole point of the end times was just to shit all over all most of the important characters and all of the lore

[storm jungle]

yeah pretty much

beloved characters die to the most random shit

[sterile willow]

cuz models dont sell kekw

[storm jungle]

More like the game was unplayable

💀

[sterile willow]

[plush mason]

dont get me started on that. i love the deathmaster but that whole story was just horse shit

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeaaah

[sterile willow]

well, at least vermintide had good lore

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

thank god for that

I appreciate the lads at the wikipedia who wrote every mission from Game 1 and 2 in a story format

its actually impressive

[plush mason]

🫡 to them

[sterile willow]

i suspect the new dlc was under development a year ago, until they found dartide needed more work and didnt release the map

since lohner's journal update was connected, and it mentions sofia

wonder if we could ever take a peak at Genevieve

[rocky dune]

I hope the fact that almost all imperial guard named characters being brand new now might make it so that they actually get new stories instead of being put on a shelf for 8 years

Which is total copium I know

[dusk patrol]

This is what’s really annoying.

Just based off fucking Valrak’s words

[tawdry cloak]

so im just going through lore videos, trying to understand things

and on the "psychic whispers of the emperor" or whatever it is

is it not possible that that could be chaos?

[gray mulch]

Yep, and sometimes it is chaos

[dusk patrol]

There’s cases of people falling to Chaos thinking it’s the emperor yeah

And many cults mimic the Imperial Cult

Genestealers call him the Four Armed Emperor for example

[gray mulch]

The question is really "is any of it not chaos?" which is a solid maybe

[dusk patrol]

Basically a hid in plain sight deal

It’s not always chaos, the Emperor definitely does speak to people

But it can be yes

[tawdry cloak]

i see

[dusk patrol]

Living Saints are pretty rare as is cases of the Emperor directly intervening

[gray mulch]

OK, ill upgrade from "solid maybe" to "only sometimes"

[dusk patrol]

It’s definitely all warp based but we do know at least a few cases of it being the emperor

But mostly it definitely could be unclear

[gray mulch]

Yeah but most of the time it's chaos

[dusk patrol]

Custodes being another example of it basically definitely being him

[dusk patrol]

I would say most of the time it’s unclear, or it’s basically directly said.

[sacred hemlock]

Random thought, what is the food resource of tertium world hive?

[dusk patrol]

Probably a plant based thing in seriousness though

Corpse starch’s use tends to be overplayed in memes

[sacred hemlock]

I know space marines eat synthetic rich stuff amino something if I'm not mistaken

[dusk patrol]

They eat a caloric dense paste or pellet depending

Which makes normal people extremely sick if they try some

Gives you the runs and what not

But when they’re not in the field Astartes sometimes feast

[sacred hemlock]

Hypovitaminoses running rampant if people tried

[dusk patrol]

Depending on the chapter

Some are basically always eating the paste or gruel or whatever but some enjoy their food. It depends on chapter culture.

[sacred hemlock]

I know it depends on the space sector, if there is several agricultural worlds the system eat healthy

[dusk patrol]

Hive worlds are basically always tied to agri worlds

It’s how they keep everyone alive

Mass production of crops and stuff

[sacred hemlock]

So probably corn stuff based and synthetic protein paste then?

[dusk patrol]

Something like that

Actual meat can be fairly rare for hive worlds