40k-lore-chat

[wise cove]

many imperial worlds go a hundred years or more without ever being visited for tithe or by a black ship. it's always really bugged me how so many so-called lore "purists" insist that there's no room for deviation within the imperium when the only way the imperium is able to assimilate other worlds without destroying them is by being as hellenic as possible within their constraints and implementing a syncretism of the local culture and the imperial truth.

mine is when skarbrand tries to kill khorne

[vapid solstice]

skarbrand is epic

[tired umbra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/ly227h/saturnine_grenadier_ollanius_piers_stands_against/

Mine is this. Olly Piers is a proper lad he is.

You can read dozens of WH books without seeing a single curseword

Then Olly pulls out "Shitting shit"

[short thicket]

is he still a perputal or did GW change that

[tired umbra]

Different Olly

[dusk patrol]

There’s two separate ones

One which sparks the legend we know

[short thicket]

:/

[dusk patrol]

They just have similar names

Oll Piers dies staring Angron down and it gets seen by one of the first Inquisitors

So he records it and the legend became what it became

[balmy tusk]

Don't go forgetting the pioneers now

[celest dome]

Those are also Cowboys

[prime tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/amen-anchorman-will-ferrell-gif-10865461

[final seal]

got me thinking if an imperial world had been peaceful for hundreds of years (probably deep in imperial territory) suddenly had a first extra terrestrial attack then come their first reinforcements of guards from other regiments, how would the natives react? gotta be weird like "who tf are these guys in strange uniform"

they're so disconnected from current galactic events

[white juniper]

Mate i dont think theres a single imperial world that is peaceful, and if they are an imperial world by the Emperor they know its sons and daughters uniforms at the very least

[prime tapir]

”Praise be to the emperor for reinforcements! We got broadswords and porridge ready to supply the defense, we got you covered, don’t worry!”

[white juniper]

Thats just a great mental image right there. Coming from a guardsmen or especially a Space Marine

[earnest snow]

They get a rude awakening in the reality they live in while also suddenly being thankful for being fortunate enough to be alive on a world that at least holds a chance when attacked.

[earnest snow]

The cafeteria Corps trains the very best. Blessed be the food carts!

[celest dome]

Ogryn Giant Spoon melee weapon when 🥄

[opaque vessel]

Closest we have of slaneesh true form

at least according to fluff

A far cry from hot sexy slaneesh

[copper cliff]

No tibbies 😭

[opaque vessel]

Tzeentch true form is ... Something

He is actually the only one

We don't know the looks of

Keeper of secrets is how slaneesh roughly looks

Skarbrand is literally mini khorne

Nurgle makes his plague fathers after him

While tzeentch ? He is described as ever changing

And the closest we got is a space eye and the calamari look

[earnest snow]

Slaanesh looking like a busted ripe tomato

[copper cliff]

I thought Khorne was armored up

[opaque vessel]

Nope

[copper cliff]

Like Im pretty sure that was a part of some stories

[opaque vessel]

Khorne has some armour but he is basically skarbrand

[copper cliff]

More spikey\

[opaque vessel]

Yeah but you can see the resemblance

[copper cliff]

If the other chaos gods are anything to go by then isn't the true form of Tzeentch a turkey? 🤔

[earnest snow]

Yeh

I seen it myself

[opaque vessel]

Tzeeentch has been shown that is the thing

And he was literally a massive space eye

As apparently not even his greater daemons can perceive the entirety of tzeentch

[earnest snow]

Ngl I prefer the fan art of the chaos gods. Them being larger forms of their servants is eh

[copper cliff]

I thought I remember something about Skarbrand hitting Khorne and it bouncing off his armor but could be remembering wrong

[opaque vessel]

Yep

That is how skarbrand became retarded

He attacked khorne in the back

And khorne's plate bounced skarbrand off and khorne pimp slapped skarbrand

[earnest snow]

Skarbrand hates skarbrand

[opaque vessel]

This is the closest we have of tzeentch

[earnest snow]

Bet he got smol legs and large arms behind all that warp fuckery

[copper cliff]

When she says she's not worried about where you go during the day

[opaque vessel]

Lol

[earnest snow]

Her: he is probably cheating on me.

Him:

[copper cliff]

https://tenor.com/bVS0y.gif

[crisp heath]

gives me ES Mora vibes

[opaque vessel]

isn't hermaeus mora

a god of knowledge too ?

[copper cliff]

Daedric prince of knowledge and memory

So basically he's tripping balls

I love hermaeus mora tbh, he's just vibin with books

Like if your local librarian was an eldritch horror beyond human comprehension

[earnest snow]

Until he wants something he doesn't know (dragonborn dlc) where he kills a head of a village for knowledge, but other than that he is in apocrypha just sniffing book dust.

[copper cliff]

https://tenor.com/bEIcC.gif

[opaque vessel]

quite weird.. how tzeentch is the only one we don't really have a fitting form for

but it also fits

[copper cliff]

Tbf we also don't have details of what Khorne's face looks like in that image. They're all different with aspects of their greater daemons. I imagine tzeentch since he's the lord of change is just wildin with how he appears.

[opaque vessel]

we can see the rough outline of his face

he has sunken cheeks for example

like a bloodletter

he might look more draconic seeing his nostrils are on some sort off a snout

[earnest snow]

Khorne just forgets to eat sometimes

[copper cliff]

Hes a cutie for sure. Valkia married that handsome lad

[earnest snow]

Valkia the bloody waifu

[copper cliff]

Gorewaif

Khorne gets off on watching her imbed her spear into the throats of slaaneshi worshippers. Hes always watching her for a reason. Hes gotta be doing something.

[earnest snow]

Man just wants to be a cheerleader for the wife

[opaque vessel]

i wonder how he felt when she got

ganged by some level 2 troops

in her own trailer

[earnest snow]

Musta been malding to become what she became

[crisp heath]

Ganged

[copper cliff]

Probably how every LL feels before getting their complimentary mount

[opaque vessel]

[copper cliff]

At least grimgor gets to be a powerhouse footlord now

Honestly ill always be upset what they did to lokhir. A dragon is completely antithetical to his fighting style.

Its like putting Teclis on a phoenix- wait

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah the total warhammer stuff, I love how Slaanesh is like

https://tenor.com/view/tpb-trailer-park-boys-ricky-to-fuck-off-gif-19480783

[copper cliff]

"I'll suck your dick if you fuck off"

[earnest snow]

"No. I prefer bribery in Lego play sets."

[rose thorn]

I love AOS/fantasy’s more general chaos alignment and not specific alignment, in terms of worship

SD cults beasts, (mostly) skaven

[hollow basin]

Slanesh is a disease it must be Wiped out

[rose thorn]

Count argument, the emperor is a disease and must be wiped out

[earnest snow]

The emperor big bad. Become exodite and return to dinosaur

[rose thorn]

Also 9th edition eldar codex expedites pls

I mean

10th

Fuck 10th edition is almost here damn

[broken zenith]

Exodites would be awesome

plastic Dragon Knights kit

RIP Codex: Exodites 😭

[storm jungle]

One day 😔

[rose thorn]

I mean harlequins made a come back

There’s a semi solid chance

[broken zenith]

I hope so really

fingers crossed for 10E ❤️

[plush mason]

iirc Khorne is said to have the head of a wolf or hound of some kind so if thats correct none of his bloodthirsters look like him at least in the face

[earnest snow]

Gimme Dino bois

[storm jungle]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/02/rogal-dorn-size-comparison-how-the-new-tank-matches-up-in-scale-and-rules/

[plush mason]

the Russ is a medium tank right?

so they now have a heavy and a super heavy

[pastel schooner]

Anyone have a pic of the Ogryn Reaper from Darktide?

[pastel schooner]

…yep

Cthon-pattern Twin Autocannon

[broken zenith]

Yup, pretty much. I would've loved to see plastic versions of FW Malcador and Macharius too honestly

[celest dome]

Aren't the Cannon on top of each other on that one ?

While these one are side by side

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wKDd88hC6AYtOeirwj9Z-5KjA1YTH-men2YHxosdhGs/https/i.imgur.com/YT9vUeC.png

[mossy mortar]

how big is a leman russ supposed to be anyway

[normal grove]

DOOMRIDER was the best thing about chaos

[celest dome]

All hail Lexi

[broken zenith]

good ol IA, rip

[mossy mortar]

I have a decent amount of the old IA books

i bet they're worth a bundle now

Hmm 7 meters long

that's not actualy that big

like M60 sized

though weirdly wide and tall

tall, eh that's the design, but the width would be problematic

Honestly they should rescale those dimensions a bit

[plush mason]

given the size of most imperial architecture i doubt the with is a problem

[mossy mortar]

Realistically they could chop a meter off of every dimension given

Compared to the size of the minis that sit on it

[dusk patrol]

Minis aren’t supposed to be to scale

Even with recent changes they’re not really perfect, although it’s better

[plush mason]

yeah warhammer's TT rarely reflects the lore. which i still find weird

[dusk patrol]

Dude there was a thread which made me wanna tear my hair out on the Darktide subreddit the other day

[mossy mortar]

I mean the miniature proportions aren't to scale either

They have larger heads and hands than they shoudl to make them more recognizable

So it makes sense the tanks are also enlarged

[dusk patrol]

That is literally what we’re saying

[mossy mortar]

Why what were people sayig

[dusk patrol]

Oh they were saying tabletop stats and shit are somehow more representative than the actual lore

[arctic talon]

Bruh

[mossy mortar]

Leman Russ makes the most sense as a light tank/tankette

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Alright guess my skitarii can punch as hard as a marine

[odd palm]

I mean the Russ seems more like a medium tank than light tbh

[plush mason]

it is afaik

[arctic talon]

Also guardsmen can run 2x farther

Then a marine

If someone yells at them

[dusk patrol]

Kept saying the dumb “oh well it’s different authors and stuff is inconsistent and also Rick Priestly said it’s all satire so therefore the lore books don’t matter”

[arctic talon]

Also bolters can’t kill guardsmen efficiently

[celest dome]

Have we ever tried to have a Commissar yell at a Space Marine ? or a Speed Freak

[mossy mortar]

Lore books don't matter though

hehe

[dusk patrol]

Rick Priestly, whose opinion hasnt mattered in over a decade

[plush mason]

LOL

[dusk patrol]

And who left because no one was listening to him anymore

[arctic talon]

Move move move making a guardsman run 12 inches is fucking hilarious

[mossy mortar]

they can outrun their own weapons i think

isn't laspistol 12 inch

[plush mason]

wtf you think they are running from?

[arctic talon]

Yep

They also can run as fast as a bike lol

Or a jump pack marine

[mossy mortar]

lol

[arctic talon]

Table top stats are worthless for lore

[plush mason]

yeah

[mossy mortar]

THey're a start in terms of relative power

sometimes

maybe

[arctic talon]

Or else Necrons would instantly kill everything

[atomic pelican]

What bikes u got that go 12"

Sad

[plush mason]

they are made for gameplay and nothing else

[arctic talon]

Gauss flayer in lore

Kekw

Instant death if it hits

[dusk patrol]

Not even that tbh

[arctic talon]

On tabletop

S4

[mossy mortar]

Translating the tactical stuff to strategic level is interesting too

[arctic talon]

D1

[dusk patrol]

Like, it just doesn’t work for so many factions

[atomic pelican]

Tbf necrons are like the worst example because their lore jerks off their tech more than anyone else

[mossy mortar]

For instance marines removed as casualties are much less likely to be permanantly incapacitated

[dusk patrol]

Necrons and Custodes being the two main examples

And whenever you have an older model

[arctic talon]

I can use marine bolters or custodes weaponry then lol

Or harlequins

[mossy mortar]

Yeah I was going to say... don't necrons intantly kill everything in the fluff

[atomic pelican]

Honestly better

Harlequins are p deadly

[arctic talon]

Or phoenix lords on the tabletop vs lore

[dusk patrol]

Necrons typically just wreck house

They can one shot marines with their basic guns

[atomic pelican]

Phoenix lords are also better on tt than they are in lore LMAO. Because of the Gav

[arctic talon]

Necron guns melt infantry instantly usually

[dusk patrol]

If they get a full shot in

[arctic talon]

Gav is a curse upon eldar lore

[atomic pelican]

Karandras dies to a regular dread in PoE 😂

[arctic talon]

Also galvanic rifles being effective at killing tanks in lore

In the tabletop

[atomic pelican]

They can

[arctic talon]

S4 AP-1

[atomic pelican]

4+ autowounding mass fire

[arctic talon]

That’s radium rifles

[atomic pelican]

For a long time galv rifles were busted

O

[arctic talon]

And that stratagem doesn’t work

On vehicles

[mossy mortar]

I havent played since they got rid of stuff like pen tables

[arctic talon]

lol

but imo using tabletop for lore is always a mistake

for most factions

[atomic pelican]

Bolters sadly just kinda mega bad

[arctic talon]

Bolters have always been dogshit

is the funny thing

[atomic pelican]

Literal lasguns currently better

[arctic talon]

even in fucking 5th -7th

no one ussed the damn things

[mossy mortar]

I mean using lorebooks for lore is a mistake too, since the only ones that give solid numbers are semi-apocryphal super low print

[atomic pelican]

Theyre ok in CSM because of mark of tzeentch and daemonshells

[arctic talon]

yeah but like

[atomic pelican]

But loyalist bolters literal trash

[mossy mortar]

The best thing to do is just make shit up

[arctic talon]

without any buffs baseline

they're atrocious lol

[atomic pelican]

Yeea

[arctic talon]

kinda funny how hotshot lasguns were better then bolters in every way in 7th

[mossy mortar]

Make shit up and justify it in the themes of the series and good storytelling

[arctic talon]

Since marines couldn't roll a save

[atomic pelican]

Its bcuz alot of primaris units have boltrifles instead which are mildly better with ap1

[arctic talon]

against hotshot lol

[mossy mortar]

It's funny how shit hotshot lasguns used to be

Literally just a lasgun with AP 5

[arctic talon]

kinda funny how hotshot lasguns literally jump between DEATH OF ALL

[mossy mortar]

Which sounds about right to me

[arctic talon]

to funny tickle gun

7th edition was funny as fuck tho

[mossy mortar]

And then they turn into mini plasma guns yeah

[arctic talon]

everyone spamming AP3 shit

to instakill marines

[mossy mortar]

Back when getting AP3 was the most important thing in game

[arctic talon]

yeah

if you have AP3 any marine player can kiss 99% of their army good bye lol

[mossy mortar]

I think realistically hellguns should just be lasguns with AP5

[arctic talon]

the way they are on tabletop rn is fine

Lasgun with AP-2

turns marine 3+ into a 5+

makes flak armor non existant

[mossy mortar]

I liked the old armour rules better

[arctic talon]

Eh I disagree

[mossy mortar]

I think they make more sense

you can either penetrate it or you can't

If you can't it doesn't help you at all

[atomic pelican]

Im kind of glad that new guard artillery doesnt rlly seem that good

[arctic talon]

GW has PTSD from the Tau and Eldar codex

for indirect fire lol

[atomic pelican]

Beyond hehoo memes artillery/NOLOS spam is one of the most no fun ways to play 40k

Yeah

Well

Mostly tau, I dont think D cannona and Nspinners were ever rlly competitive

But yeah

[arctic talon]

They weren't

but they got hit anyways lol

[atomic pelican]

Yeepp

[mossy mortar]

Especially for things like tanks

[arctic talon]

but yeah Tau was uh

kinda hilarious

[atomic pelican]

And the one faction that def is going to be a problem with it - guard - will retain their exception

Atleast until next slate

[arctic talon]

Guard aparantly is keeping hammer of the emproror lol

god help us all

[atomic pelican]

Cringe

[arctic talon]

HOTE + new field guns

have fun

[atomic pelican]

I genuinely find guard to be a more annoying army than tau. Atleast tau's strongest weapons beyond rail weapons tend to be 24"

• guard players usually play how they accuse tau of playing

Sit in deploy zone

Shoot for an hr

[mossy mortar]

Artillery is always the hardest part of combined arms to model

[atomic pelican]

Atleast DAvengers kill literally 3 infantry units per turn 😂

[mossy mortar]

for tactical level games

[arctic talon]

Also guard players shit talking tau players when they play the exact same way

will never not be funny

[atomic pelican]

Yea

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Like holy fuck

your both gunline armies

[atomic pelican]

Uninteractive shooting armies is the same

[arctic talon]

just admit it lol

guard melee sucks, tau melee sucks

The only dif is guard melee sucks slightly less

but they get way cheaper fucking units

[atomic pelican]

I prefer tau because atleast they dont take as long to shoot you

[arctic talon]

with the way the guard book is looking

I think I'd rather play against full power Tau

[atomic pelican]

Guard has to go through their 300 2ppm guns

[mossy mortar]

wild to me that the same guy who desigend 40k also designed Bolt Action

[arctic talon]

yeah

its intresting lol

[atomic pelican]

Craftworld matchup still looks rlly good because -1 to hit will cripple as good as usual. + we have godtier chaff clear

And guard durability rlly hasnt changed

Did math of the new artillery into my wave serpent and it averages like

3wounds

[arctic talon]

Also the necron doomsday cannon

being worse then the rogal dorns anti tank gun

[nocturne jetty]

We need more Brutality more Blood in DT

[arctic talon]

is fucking hilarious

[nocturne jetty]

More Cut

[prisma lark]

you mean the "mildly annoying Tuesday" cannon?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

the tickle cannon

also if we wana start using random sources saying we can handle a plague marine

Chaosgate has cultists with heavy stubbers 2 shotting Greyknight terminators so

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Literally more dangerous then actual plague marines

Bolters ain’t got shit on those heavy stubbers

[plush mason]

said game also has normal power armor give 0 armor stat lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[mossy mortar]

wtf

[arctic talon]

The game is good

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the game uh

[arctic talon]

Like unironically

[mossy mortar]

i onply played the original chaos gate

[dusk patrol]

Had some interesting choices for that stuff

[arctic talon]

But its lore accuracy in gameplay is funny as fuck

[atomic pelican]

Dark(gods) weakest cultist vs the strongest grey knight

[arctic talon]

I choose to imagine the cultists in that game

As squads of cultists

Since I feel like 12 heavy stubbers firing on a grey knight could cause some actual damage

[atomic pelican]

Yee

[plush mason]

like yeah the game is fun and plays really well. but some of the design choices are total "wtf" moments

[arctic talon]

Melta dealing less damage

Then a heavy stubber

The heavy stubber cultists are unironically the scariest fucking enemy

[mossy mortar]

lol

[arctic talon]

Run into their Overwatch there goes a quarter of your health

They’re supressing you

Better not move or else you lose half your hp

[plush mason]

btw in the steam forums for inquisitor martyr some fool said that GW is very strict on how video games stay true to the IP and its lore.

[arctic talon]

Bruh

[mossy mortar]

lol

[arctic talon]

Idgaf how lore accurate a game is if it’s fun tbh

[mossy mortar]

Inquisitor Martyr had a pretty ridiculously dumb storyt oo

[plush mason]

i laughed for a good 5 mins after reading that

[arctic talon]

And chaosgate and mechanicus are 2 big examples

The grey knights should tear through a majority of the enemy encounters in chaos gate

Till later levels

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Where there starts to be pretty severe opposition via plague marines and terminators

And vehicles

[nocturne jetty]

Will we fight Eldar Wraithknight?

!!

[celest dome]

No, stop it Mira

Wraithknight are never gonna be in a tide game

[storm jungle]

no

[cyan oxide]

can we start another argument about las guns and recoil?

[nocturne jetty]

Hahahha

[celest dome]

Sure, but which way are you gonna argue ?

[cyan oxide]

nah i just want to spectate

i find them funny

[junior cedar]

IM SO EXCITED FOR THIS TO COME OUT,

[crisp heath]

Bit curious about chaos marines and chaos armies and how they keep logistics up in a realm with no time

Especially how they get stuff like ammo or get supplied by the dark Mechanicus if it’s all done totally randomly, how they put together chaos armadas like the 13th black crusade

Just a lot of luck and brute force i guess

[earnest snow]

Favor with the gods, sometimes they do get screwed over by the warp, what they have for a navigator helps them reach their destination, their allegiance within Chaos makes them a bit more safe when traveling, etc etc.

It's plot whether or not the warp works for the person or not ngl

[storm jungle]

^

[earnest snow]

Not a bad thing necessarily, but it is "for the plot" reasoning ultimately. Sometimes you get to read about fun times in the warp and sometimes you get barely anything. The real rng is the author writing about it and their editor

another thing to note is Chaos is mostly if not entirely human in servants right now. All they have to do is raid an unsuspecting imperial world and bam. They got their logistics ready for the next rumble Royale

I mean mortal servants ofc

[hazy galleon]

hm, is there any other offical Darktide lore? or is the Luetin09 video basicly exclusive? 🤔

[cerulean wagon]

Luetin vids, and what we've pieced together from gameplay and blog posts

[hazy galleon]

right

also, Hadron backstory when? When Abnet...WHEN!? xD

[cerulean wagon]

their backstories will prob be a post launch thing

[hazy galleon]

techno waifu deserves better

[cerulean wagon]

she was the least interesting mission handler to me

[hazy galleon]

i like her callusness, okay xD

[cerulean wagon]

i just found the constant jokes off putting

kinda ruins the vibe of the game

[storm jungle]

Team Dad Morrow is where its at

also guys did you know

𝐓𝐄𝐑𝐓𝐈𝐔𝐌 𝐈𝐒 𝐒𝐎𝐌𝐄𝐓𝐇𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐎𝐅 𝐀 𝐖𝐎𝐍𝐃𝐄𝐑, 𝐆𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐓𝐄𝐒𝐓 𝐏𝐋𝐀𝐍𝐄𝐓𝐀𝐑𝐘 𝐂𝐀𝐏𝐈𝐓𝐀𝐋 𝐈𝐍 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝟑 𝐒𝐄𝐂𝐓𝐎𝐑𝐒

[cerulean wagon]

i didn't know

[storm jungle]

God

[cerulean wagon]

hopefully having more dialogue and maps at launch helps that

[storm jungle]

heres hoping, but i dont mind that dialogue reply becoming a meme so

[copper cliff]

I think the vibe of the game is perfectly open to some humor mainly because it's 40k. I mean half the "crimes" we could have done is basically

"You moved out of the way for the commissar but not quickly enough."

Big parody energy which is very 40k to me.

[cerulean wagon]

humour is fine

but every line from the techpriest bar 1 is either a joke or pun

[normal grove]

I SAID FOUR SHORTENED LIFE SPANS, NOT FORESHORTEND!!! LOOK AT ME, NOT ZEM!!!!!

[plush mason]

wasnt it "for"

[plush mason]

she also insulted us a lot on mission

[copper cliff]

tbh I don't even remember ANY jokes from the techpriest. I just remember them being funny because "lol transhumanist no understand people stuff"

[cerulean wagon]

oh i don't mind insults thats w/e

we are convicts after all

[plush mason]

same tbh

her talking to us like we are brain dead as both funny and realistic

she is over 300 years old and has likely forgotten more than we will ever know

[copper cliff]

V A R L E T S

[plush mason]

i still have no idea what that word means lol

[copper cliff]

Servant basically

I thought they was calling us Varmints at first but varlets makes more sense

[plush mason]

varmint also works

afaik varmint means pest or nuisance so

[copper cliff]

Yeah but they ARE saying Varlets

[plush mason]

yeah

[normal grove]

Fun fact: The only time in beta where she was asked a direct question, and gave an actual direct answer, without insult or talking down, was when my damn OGRYN, the bully, just point blank asked her "WOTZ YER DEAL?" and instead of an insult she goes "I have been awake for hundreds of cycles, and it sucks."

[cerulean wagon]

na anyone can trigger that line

not ogrn specific

[normal grove]

its funny that the ogryn did it, and the only time I ever saw her not be insulting

[cerulean wagon]

the other alright line is about the tank manufacturing and the alloys they use

[plush mason]

yeah she is over 300 years old and she has been angry for most of them. it was very relatable ngl

[normal grove]

The idea that she only respects the Ogryn and thinks everyone else is a moron is hilarious to me

even if not true

[copper cliff]

Honestly as much as I meme about people asking for admech or techpriest I could see instead of something so direct essentially just the Techpriest augmenting a reject as part of an experiment and just having a cyborg class with some admech weapons.

So not a full admech character cause that would be kinda strange

[mossy mortar]

I would assume cyborg parts are just upgrade items

I wish there were more roguelike elements so your guys could be seriously injured snd have ti spend time healing if they fail. Or lose limbs snd stuff and get bionics

[normal grove]

go play as a Combat Servitor. That would have some really fun dialog

[earnest snow]

Combat Servitor that accidentally got slipped a Sassy Personality chip

[celest dome]

Combat Servitor archetype would be bad, like it wouldn't bring what a Stechford Adept could, ie: Mechanicus stuff.

I want the Omnissian Power Axe as a high trust weapon, or a Chordclaw, or a Taser Goad

[covert geyser]

question, do we know why the moebians turned?

[dusk patrol]

Its implied basically they got corrupted by something while fighting the Darktide

Which is a mysterious foe they fight, presumably involving Chaos.

Basically, you take back things with you from war, they took back more than most.

I assume the story will clarify further.

[covert geyser]

ahh

[fleet dagger]

https://youtu.be/8ZLt4TPR9g4

[fierce pendant]

And that they weren't being properly rewarded for their battles in the fringe wars against the Darktide.

Since basically all of the populace back on Tertium was kept in the dark about the dangers outside.

So now Moebian's see themselves also as bringers of truth which encouraged em to this coup/takeover.

[final spruce]

Wow an actual decent video about the Moebian lore under 1 hour lmao

[thorny thicket]

doesnt nurgle spread his love through disease so imagine that had some effect on MS

(Moebian Sixth)

[final spruce]

Likely, what broke the Moebian was the stacking of terrible things happening.
The lies about fighting a holy war for their world
The contact with chaos and war
Their efforts and most of what they do hidden to people
And the breaking point, the contact with an already established chaos cult and seeing their planet torn up because of that

[broken zenith]

Papa Nurgle 💚

[unique berry]

[broken zenith]

[crisp heath]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD 🩸

[celest dome]

Skull or the Skull throne

[fair current]

Sigmar preserve us!

[copper cliff]

Maybe it's controversial but I hate the new space marine helmets. I like the gas mask design of the old ones. Looked more intimidating.

[dusk patrol]

Fortunately you can choose between either. But it’s not a super uncommon opinion.

[broken zenith]

mk7 ❤️

[mossy mortar]

Beakie marine best marine

[halcyon turret]

meanwhile

https://scontent.fkul16-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/313140927_537207381748195_2188766258276027199_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=wUght0jHjGAAX9Dou3i&_nc_ht=scontent.fkul16-1.fna&oh=00_AfC6O86cESRx_ROr4pvXG6s55Nq_yngpKoTGEldEUZdEgQ&oe=6369BB72

SC Viking anyone?

[dry epoch]

The lines of his that I got to write were always my favourite to do, I am also Team Morrow. ❤️

[prisma lark]

nah, that's a Variable Fighter from Macross, even got the Gerwalk mode!

[halcyon turret]

Missile Porn scene intensifies

[storm jungle]

I shall hope for some Armageddon references in there

[lunar kraken]

is warhammer fantasy & 40k two different universes?

or is it up for debate or something

[broken zenith]

up to debate, there has been different interpretations by different designers over the years.

[copper cliff]

I think in most recent times its been thoroughly severed has it not?

[plush mason]

afaik yeah

[broken zenith]

yup, recent interpretation is different universes

2E 1996 Codex: Chaos of Andy Chambers had literal Trolls in the Daemon Worlds army list xD

[storm jungle]

Different universes but in the past it has been hinted that they share the same sphere among other things. After fantasy got nuked its basically been non-existant aside from a few jokes made by the Warhammer Community site.

[broken zenith]

First appearance of N'Kari by Andy Chambers a year before 5E 1997 WA: HE background changing N'Kari by again Andy Chambers.

Andy Chambers' 3E 2002 Codex: Necrons advising people to use WFB Lizardmen as the Old Ones descendants

[storm jungle]

Soon.

[broken zenith]

1988-1990 RoC duology's interpretation by Rick Priestley was that the Immaterium is an alternate universe that is connected to a multiverse, acting as a bridge for this multiverse.

[arctic talon]

Nowadays they’re separate but connected via the chaos gods

The gods are the same

[broken zenith]

Yes

Although it was also the case (different universes) in RoC duology, StD explaining how Daemons are affected differently in the Chaos Wastes of the Known Worlde and the universe of the Imperium among others as per Bryan Ansell as the father of Chaos in both settings.

Andy Chambers interpretation used to be that the Known Worlde was a lost planet in the Eye of Terror on the other hand.

[arctic talon]

Yeah but that’s been retconned

Due to AoS contradicting it

[broken zenith]

Yes, White Dwarf January 2018 mentions that WFB (and AoS by extension) and 40k are different universes as the final statement of GW design team of late, just like Bryan Ansell's interpretation in Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness 1988 and Realm of Chaos: Lost and the Damned 1990 of 3E WFB, 1E WFRP and RT 40k (aka 1E).

[copper cliff]

Also it doesn't really make sense on its own ngl

[broken zenith]

It was Andy Chambers that was interpreting it as a lost planet in the Eye of Terror. And hence why different interpretations depending on the designer.
Jes Goodwin was also going for the multiverse interpreation on the other hand, Rick Priestley's original stance in RT rulebook was similar to that of Andy Chambers first, but then RoC duology interpretation was more in line with that of Bryan Ansell (Probably due to Bryan Ansell being the boss, so Rick Priestley might not have wanted to go against him, it also makes sense how the 2E 40k interpretation changed again to that of a lost planet once Bryan Ansell stepped down as the boss and Tom Kirby replacing him in 1992 instead).

[copper cliff]

Unless the argument was that chaos had less power on the planet.

Old ones shenanigans idk

[arctic talon]

Lol

Also the Lizardmen in AoS having somthing called a Voidship

Doesn’t help

Considering space ships are called void ships in 40k a lot of the time

[storm jungle]

thats mostly because they didnt wanna call them spaceships

and lizardmen are basically the necrons of fantasy where they got all the advanced tech but can barely operate most of them

[copper cliff]

Isn't that the admech? Necrons are Tomb Kings but with laser gunz

[broken zenith]

The Old Ones came through their own ships to the Known Worlde in WFB too, Alessio Cavatore in 7E 2006 WFB rulebook explained that the Ork spores were either introduced through the ships of the Old Ones unwittingly or that they simply fell from space on their own as an in-universe speculation.

[storm jungle]

Tech-side wise Lizardmen are ridiculously advanced

they just never utilize most of them because the only smart giga-brain people in their society is big fat toads that like to sleep

[copper cliff]

Well in 40k everyone is ridiculously advanced and don't know how to use any of it

Except Orks. But that's only cause they believe it works

[storm jungle]

Necrons do.

Their problem is everyone argues about to or not to use it

or being responsible and not wanting to overkill

[copper cliff]

Imagine your species has a keychain made of halo rings but you're not sure if you should use it or not.

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah one dynasty literally has a holo-table that can supernova/destroy any planet.

but they spend half their time protecting it form other dynasties because they know they will use it improperly

[plush mason]

could it close the rift?

[tired umbra]

The thing that's cutting the galaxy in half? I don't think that's how it works

[storm jungle]

Well its to blow up planets so no.

but the Pariah Nexuses kinda can

They are establishing more and more null zones across the milky way to make it entirely No-Daemon Zone'y

but obvs this is gonna go nowhere because 40k

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

No, it’s only purpose is blowing up suns and planets lol

[copper cliff]

Trayzn straps a named ultramarine to a post and uses it to ward off danger

[arctic talon]

Trazyn releasing a bunch of Horus heresy era ultramarines and salamanders

Was pretty funny

[plush mason]

i doubt even Trayzn's stasis traps could hold that much plot armor for long

[plush mason]

like. afaik Trayzn during the battle of cadia was basically just moon knight for a bit

[arctic talon]

Yeah

He let out a custodes, a squad of ultramarines from calth, salamander terminators from the dropsite massacre, an inquisitor, and a bunch of guardsmen

He literally threw out a bunch of random shit lol

[plush mason]

yup

just imagine how confused the chaos forces where during that

[arctic talon]

Lol

I wonder how he even got his hands on the custodes

The rest make sense

But did he go to terra to grab a custodes lol

[tired umbra]

Stasis is a heck of a tool

[arctic talon]

I could totally see it

[tired umbra]

And the Custodes do leave Terra

[plush mason]

there is no telling with Trayzn

[arctic talon]

Eh fair

[tired umbra]

It's rare. But they go about.

They got 3 MASSIVE ships that rip trough shit like there's no tomorrow.

The Moiraides

If even one shows up you know shit is about to go down.

Once in a backwater planet TWO of them showed up.

Because a Black Legion warband touched something they REALLY shouldn't have touched

[plush mason]

i imagine they all collectively shit a brick when that happened

[copper cliff]

I just imagine he teleports through a wall, grabs one and yanks em into stasis. None the wiser.

"Where is Brother Cedric?"

Shrug

[plush mason]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dread_Host

[copper cliff]

Does stasis freeze cognitive processes?

So did they literally go from like hanging out to suddenly in the middle of a battlefield fighting chaos

[tired umbra]

Yeah

[plush mason]

who where the guardsmen he unleashed?

[arctic talon]

Depends, but Trazyn usually has it set to people not being cognitively aware

[arctic talon]

Vostrayans and Tanith guardsmen

They all died

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

They got mobbed by daemonettes

Not much can survive that lol

[copper cliff]

Sounds hot

[arctic talon]

The ultramarines all died to Abbadon

Trying to kill him

[plush mason]

ofc

[arctic talon]

The salamanders are a big?

They don’t get mentioned after they’re let out of the pokeball

Same with the custodes

[tired umbra]

Probably died

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[tired umbra]

Since Cadia shidded

[arctic talon]

The only people from the pokeball we know for sure that survived

Are Greyfax

And the Scions accompanying her

[plush mason]

like. combat wise how useful was she?

[arctic talon]

Pretty useful she’s an inquisitor

[tired umbra]

Useful enough to see Rowboat Girlyman to Terra

[copper cliff]

Its about quantity of fire not quality

[arctic talon]

And a psyker

[plush mason]

oh she is a psyker

[copper cliff]

Isn't that a conflict of interest?

[arctic talon]

Also she didn’t try to fight Abbadon the despoiler in melee combat

So

[copper cliff]

Like being a witch witch hunter

[arctic talon]

Yknow

[arctic talon]

Technically yes but there’s many psychic inquisitors

[copper cliff]

Which witch witch hunter hunted the right witch which was the witch which was a witch witch hunter

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

The witch hunter thing is more going after rogue unsanctioned psykers

Who tend to have a habit of doing little things like, opening warp rifts and dooming entire worlds.

[copper cliff]

Yeah but ya know bright wizards don't become witch hunters

[dusk patrol]

Or getting possessed by dangerous daemons.

[dusk patrol]

Well yeah but that ain't 40k.

[arctic talon]

Yeah but witch hunters in fantasy are

A lot more

What’s the word

[plush mason]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Katarinya_Greyfax

[arctic talon]

Narrow in their recruitment

[dusk patrol]

Also she has a crossbow gun because GW is dumb.

[plush mason]

oh so she quite literally has an aura of dread

[arctic talon]

It’s a crossbow bolter

[copper cliff]

Thats the real sin

[arctic talon]

Which is funny

[tired umbra]

I was just about to say that I love that stupid crossbow bolter

[dusk patrol]

Like I said, GW is dumb

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

She can't just have a normie bolter noooo

[arctic talon]

Tbf the crossbow might be more useful against daemons

[copper cliff]

I dont think its un lore friendly for her to be a psyker i just think its funny like if saltzpyre was a wizard

[dusk patrol]

It has to be a fucking crossbow

[arctic talon]

Oh it’s very funny

[copper cliff]

And a tall brim hat

[arctic talon]

That she’s a psychic inquisitor

[tired umbra]

Oh the bolter has a crossbow ON IT. It fires some anti-demon bolts.

That's sick

[plush mason]

nah the crossbow is a sperate weapon bolted to the top that fires special anti psyker bolts

[copper cliff]

Isn't a bolter already anti daemon?

[arctic talon]

It’s a combi crossbow

Holy shit

[plush mason]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Condemnor_Bolter

[arctic talon]

Yeah but daemons are weird in 40k

[tired umbra]

Not really. You can dumb a whole clip into a demon and it just regenerates depending on the situation

[arctic talon]

The more emotional one gets

While killing them the better

I.E it’s why melee works better usually

[copper cliff]

Ah right. Weird shit

[arctic talon]

Because beating them to death with a club is more emotional

Then shooting them 24 times

[tired umbra]

Yeah because melee is a more traditional and "natural" way of killing that somehow makes it better for killing demons.

[copper cliff]

Idk if that's true tbh cause humans are throwing weapon creatures

Neanderthals were the melee dickheads

[arctic talon]

A throwing spear would work better then a gun prolly

Like unironically

[broken zenith]

*Utterly uncompromising, devoid of mercy or remorse, Inquisitor Greyfax acts as the self-appointed executioner of any she names heretic. **She is a psyker of some power – a fact that has led more than one of her peers to brand her as a dangerous radical *– and her abilities allow her to detect any lie. This talent allows her to hunt with impunity, knowing that those she condemns have already damned themselves with their tainted thoughts. Inquisitor Greyfax is able to weaponise her hatred of Chaos, projecting it as a crippling pall of fear that forces her victims to their knees.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Inquisitor-Greyfax-2018

[tired umbra]

That's how it works still. Melee is better against demons for some reason.

[plush mason]

killing something in hand to hand combat does have a far greater impact on a person's mental state

[arctic talon]

You also still should shoot at a daemon

You can kill ‘em with guns

[copper cliff]

It just sounds like stress makes you stronger

[tired umbra]

Yeah a gun can still totes kill a demon.

[arctic talon]

Also fire works

Flamers especially

[copper cliff]

Me with 2 chronic anxiety disorders:

[arctic talon]

Despite the fact that khornate daemons are usually on fire

Or have burning blood

[plush mason]

do bloodletters explode on death in 40k?

[copper cliff]

I'm gonna be so stressed out beating your ass

[arctic talon]

Daemons tend to explode on death lore wise yes

With some exceptions

[copper cliff]

I thought they just got thanos snapped back to hell

[arctic talon]

Nah they go boom

[dusk patrol]

Probably

[copper cliff]

Plaguebearers do a shit

[arctic talon]

Also tzeentch daemons sometimes blow up really hard

On death

[dusk patrol]

Also Nurgle

But stinkier

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

And much worse for cleanup

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[plush mason]

iirc bloodletters more or less yell "im taking you with me!" when they die and do a fair amount of damage to anyone/thing around them

[copper cliff]

Bloodletters are my least favorite Daemon. They just look kinda goofy. With the fucking dick domes and just being naked guys with swords

[arctic talon]

Bloodletters are generic christian looking devils

Which is fine

[copper cliff]

Thats bloodthirsters

[arctic talon]

But they don’t get as weird as the other gods

Bloodletters are red, have fire and tails and horns

[copper cliff]

And its all shaped wrong

[plush mason]

bloodletters dont have tails

[arctic talon]

Wait

[tired umbra]

Khorne has traditional devil aesthetic in general. Slaanesh has the traditional devil vibe instead.

[arctic talon]

Am I insane

[copper cliff]

They don't have tails im pretty sure

[arctic talon]

They don’t

Huh

I always thought they did ngl

[copper cliff]

In general I feel like khorne is averse to stuff that slows you down like cloaks and tails and shit

[broken zenith]

Yup same, I would've preferred an Inferno Pistol myself, but the good ol silver bullet crossbow is also another Witch Hunters classic from 3E C:WH, so gets a pass for me

[tired umbra]

Anything that's rad gets a pass from me.

[copper cliff]

They just look so uninspired idk

[arctic talon]

They still look cool imo

But yeah

[copper cliff]

Its what you design when you wanna make THE EVIL ONE

[arctic talon]

They are very uninspired

They’re meant to be the white bread daemons

Imo

Slaanesh and Tzeentch get the more intresting designs

[copper cliff]

Khorne in general is the white bread chaos god

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[copper cliff]

I like khorne stuff but its fairly straight forward red murder men from hell

[plush mason]

seeing as he is literally the oldest of the 4 gods in 40k i think him being the basic one is fitting

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[copper cliff]

Isn't nurgle the oldest?

[arctic talon]

Just because it’s white bread doesn’t mean it’s bad

I think it’s nurgle

[plush mason]

nah thats in AOS/Fantasy

[arctic talon]

I know their holy numbers count up

[copper cliff]

Thats a weird discrepancy...

[dusk patrol]

THOSE ARE SOME BRAVE WORDS FOR SOMEONE OUTSIDE RIPPIN AND TEARIN DISTANCE

But yeah, they're the basic daemonms

[arctic talon]

Sorry they count down

[plush mason]

yeah the gods have different origins in the 2 settings

[arctic talon]

So the fuck is gona happen

When the chaos god numbers finish counting down

[copper cliff]

Slaanesh is still the youngest right?

[arctic talon]

9 tzeentch, 8 khorne, 7 nurgle, 6 slaanesh

[dusk patrol]

yee

[arctic talon]

And yeah slaanesh is the youngest

If we go by biggest number to smallest

Tzeentch is the oldest

But that doesn’t make much sense imo

[dusk patrol]

They start over from the top

[copper cliff]

Maybe Tzeentch just schemes to get the bigger nomber

[dusk patrol]

He was the most powerful for some time

[arctic talon]

Malal is 11

And The great horned rat in sigmar is 13

[halcyon turret]

Tzeentch secretly follow the number superiority

[cerulean jetty]

Aren’t the the gods timeless?

[dusk patrol]

Well yes

But actually no

[halcyon turret]

Kinda, but slaanesh is new kid generally

[copper cliff]

I think its ambiguous

[arctic talon]

Yesnt, they’ve always existed but have been “born” by an event

[halcyon turret]

Slaanesh is born from the ever yearning in excessive amount

[tired umbra]

Time is all fucked up in the Warp.

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh really only became a big issue

Due to the fall of the eldar

In 40k

[halcyon turret]

Secretly khorne, nurgle and tzeentch are afraid of slaanesh

[copper cliff]

The fucc got too good

[arctic talon]

It’s also why slaanesh looks vaguely eldar

Because they’re an eldar god in the worst way possible

[copper cliff]

Theyre. A knife ear 😡

[halcyon turret]

Because almost everything is finite, you can only stir up wars if there's still mortals that can wage one, there's also only as much plague as that can be conjured and unleashed upon until all mortals are literally dead. Tzeentch will eventually recollect it's vast knowledge.

[copper cliff]

Tzeentch the kinda mfer to drive a scooty puff jr

[halcyon turret]

But mortal yearnings never has a deadline nor a stop

[plush mason]

well i mean. they do

[halcyon turret]

If they're all dead

That is xD

[plush mason]

yeah

[copper cliff]

Khorne was born when the first cell got jealous of another cell and beat its ass.

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[tired umbra]

Because time is all fucked in the warp. All the gods were born first and weren't at the same time.

Don't think about it too hard.

[plush mason]

yeah

[tired umbra]

Slaanesh is the youngest but also exactly as old as all the others.

[copper cliff]

Nurgle just acts older cause hes granddad

[plush mason]

hell iirc there is a story where some elder find slaanesh. before slaanesh is even born

[halcyon turret]

And slaanesh steals a piece from every single tribute indirectly to power itself up

Kekw

[plush mason]

time simply doesnt exist in the warp

[copper cliff]

Which is one hell of a corner to write yourself into tbh

[arctic talon]

Time “exists”

It doesn’t matter however

Or maybe it does matter

It’s what GW decides they want in the story

At the time

[tired umbra]

Everything is true. But nothing is.

[copper cliff]

Never write a plot point that makes every other plot point potentially irrelevant

[plush mason]

but that is GW's favorite thing to do

[arctic talon]

Tbf they’ve written around it pretty well

[copper cliff]

Gw challenge (impossible)

[broken zenith]

Yup, Slaanesh only became fully conscious with the Fall, but the sleeping form had always existed prior.

[tired umbra]

Yeah it works IMO because even if the gods are eternal. The materium and the followers of Chaos are not. So they still gotta work with normal time.

Abaddon can't shoot out of the Eye of Terror 20k years in the past.

[copper cliff]

But being able to move back and forth between kinda fucks with shit

Realistically anyway

[plush mason]

smaller scale stuff like that is fairly common afaik. a fleet may launch to aid a sector. only to arrive 2 weeks before they even left port

[arctic talon]

^

It’s usually small scale time stuff

Rarely is it

[copper cliff]

Because realistically if it was a timless place you'd shoot out of it at random points in history every single time you left unless you had a way to control it.

But i think the logical explanation is simple. The great game between the chaos gods. It's no fun if one of them uses chest engine.

[arctic talon]

Pop out a few thousand years later

[plush mason]

yeah

[halcyon turret]

Warp travel

[arctic talon]

Warp travel is a crap shoot

30% of ships don’t arrive at their intended time

[halcyon turret]

Necrons : laff at warp travel while using equally questionable means of inertia ?

[arctic talon]

And sometimes ships just don’t even show up

[arctic talon]

Eh Necrons do it fine with Dolaman gates and the weird drive thing they use

It’s way more reliable

[tired umbra]

Necrons way of travel is to tell the laws of physics to go fuck themselves.

[copper cliff]

Sometimes your psyker farts and everyone's eaten by daemons

[arctic talon]

Assuming the driver is good

If they aren’t then you better get ready to reanimate

Because the ship might explode

[plush mason]

dont. necron space travel is even more insane than warp travel imo

[arctic talon]

When they break too hard

[halcyon turret]

Nah, they too advanced, physics get bullied by em

[arctic talon]

The Psyker has a really bad dream

Next thing you know the entire room explodes

And the gellar field flickers

[halcyon turret]

And then everyone within the steel husk just poof

[copper cliff]

"For fucks sake daniel!"

[plush mason]

and your buddy is now fused with the bulkhead and is somehow still alive

[arctic talon]

Gellarpox is prolly the worst thing that could happen

Since the gellar field doesn’t fail

It becomes the source of daemons instead lol

And it becomes a daemon

[halcyon turret]

Since Necrons is an alien based species, maybe their math theorem as their foundation of science is just vastly superior, such that they can just bully all aspects of science to get wat they want

[arctic talon]

They have tech so advanced it’s magic to us

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Or rather magic to the imperium

The eldar probably understand it

To an extent

[halcyon turret]

Psyker : imagines lighting
Necrons : snap finger, causes natural cataclysm

[plush mason]

they know more and about science than we humans ever learned lol

[arctic talon]

They also deleted a rule of reality lol

[halcyon turret]

They prolly have all the answers of universe

[arctic talon]

When they killed the Flayer

[halcyon turret]

With their sick ass theorem

[arctic talon]

So the galaxy fundamentally doesn’t work like it used to

[plush mason]

which rule?

[halcyon turret]

Fundamentally they exploited that?

[arctic talon]

We don’t know

[plush mason]

oof

[arctic talon]

But they killed a c’tan

And it irreversibly damaged reality itself

So they stopped doing that

[halcyon turret]

Necrons won't share what they had achieved. Except ya know, death

[arctic talon]

Oh they’ll share their tech with you

By using it on you lol

[halcyon turret]

They also have bias against Eldar, and we all know how well that goes.

[copper cliff]

Necrons mastered doing math equations without needing to double check by plugging in the answer

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/c5/SzerasArt9thEdition.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200616150054

A little bit of cultural exchange

[chilly creek]

Free Gauss flayers for everyone

[plush mason]

so thats why they just broke the C'tan apart and made them into pokemon. which btw being able to say "we made our gods into pokemon" is still the biggest flex in sci fi imo

[halcyon turret]

Or theirs is just super efficient in making answers to problems that ever existed

[chilly creek]

• only the business end

[broken zenith]

House Khymere is an interesting example of travelling back in time through the Immaterium:

House Khymere fell foul of the strange way time moves within the warp. This once-loyal House emerged from the Cicatrix Maledictum to attack the Imperium, and were promptly declared Iconoclasts. When an Imperial strike force arrived to destroy their homeworld of Surtur’s Wake, the confused Nobles claimed to be loyal to the God-Emperor. To save their planet, House Khymere fled into the Great Rift – from which they would emerge, warped and embittered, years in their own past.
And then there's the entire Ordo Chronos of the Inquisition to combat such time anomalies.

[arctic talon]

They’ll let you touch a hyper phase blade

(Sharp edge only)

[halcyon turret]

That's how tech got more powerful. Solve any complications in matters of a tiny fraction of vibration of an atom

And while we only can dream of that

Necrons just aha, we get new swank

[plush mason]

the necrons are a race that was ruling most of the galaxy when dinos where still walking around on earth

[tired umbra]

The necrons ruled the galaxy before the dinosaurs even existed

[copper cliff]

Necrons invented the warhammer 40000

[arctic talon]

They have the warhammer 40,000

They should have given the silent king a hammer

Change my mind

[plush mason]

yeah. its in Trayzn's junk cabinet

[halcyon turret]

They prolly created 40k AoS as a thought simulation

And Tzeentch secretly hate Trazyn for being able to conjure such thought simulation

[copper cliff]

How fucking horny is tzeentch for trayzn's collection?

[arctic talon]

I’m still disappointed the stormcast eternals in AoS don’t have a spell where it’s just sigmar chucking his fucking hammer down from the sky

[plush mason]

i also love how some necron tech is literally able to tell chaos to fuck off

[halcyon turret]

Trazyn yoinks at everyone and everything, and jests that it'll be in all good hands.

[halcyon turret]

Nah, they just don't even exists

Math theorem super opee

Do the necrons even math? Maybe.

But do we even comprehend their math? Nah

[plush mason]

they math on a level beyond human comprehension

[halcyon turret]

But if you do, grats, you're now part of Pariah

🤣

[plush mason]

wherent those retcon out of the canon?

[arctic talon]

No

They’re just a failed experiment from szeras

[plush mason]

k

so no more are being made

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Blackstone pretty much replaces pariahs anyways

It does everything then them better

[halcyon turret]

Imperium : makes Gray Knights for combat against Daemons

Necron : we get these bimbos that just deletes Warp energy faster than you can blink

[plush mason]

basically everything the Necrons have is just one big ass dab on the all the other factions

[arctic talon]

Lol lore wise yeah

[halcyon turret]

They can casually flex while Tzeentch secretly plotting everything just to have a shred of Necron tech

40k conspiracy

Or maybe they technically had Tzeentch knowledge book?

Trazyn mayhaps had yoinked it

[rose thorn]

Hey is there anything specifically unique form fallen (angels) chaos cultists?

[opaque vessel]

fallen as in the dark angel fallen ? @rose thorn

[rose thorn]

Yes

[opaque vessel]

Well the fallen are mostly 2 groups

1. Chaos renegades
2. Space Marines living in seclusion

they aren't really different from any other chaos astartes though

Cypher is a bit special

[coarse olive]

Am I reading this right? They just made Commissar Yarrick's death a random page in the new Codex? How could you kill the Hero of Helsreach like that?

We need to Waagh

[celest dome]

Yarrick is dead ? Why

To have a SW to oppose as "Iconic" "Rival" to Ghazghkull Thraka ?

[storm jungle]

Nah hes alive

just removed because tabletop nonsense

Yarrick hasnt been mentioned in lore since like 2012

he will return when GW wants to give him a new mini

he has way too much PR value to be offed

[coarse olive]

I'll have to wait until I get the new Codex to see for myself but Chapter Master Valrik's video was pretty direct about how it was phrased

[storm jungle]

Interesting...

killing him off would be super stupid

really doubt they'll do that, he probably got silently removed for a future release at some point

aka in like 20 years

[fickle mural]

especially in such a way, I'd expect something more with a bang

[coarse olive]

Yeah that seems sort of insane to just not utilize a glorious end for him

[storm jungle]

Yeee

im pretty sure its just codex erasing

[orchid acorn]

Cadia
I do agree it's more likely he's being kept in cryo to whip out for Special Edition stuff.

[cunning wigeon]

begging of 12ed where its orks vs guard and it comes with the new primaris catachan gamebreakors

[celest dome]

Was Cadia that important for the Fans before it broke ?

[coarse olive]

Seems like too valuable of a plot device for making scary Orks to just throw away

[fickle mural]

I mean I'm relatively new to 40k and even I know who that guy is, killing him sort of offscreen would be shooting themselves in the foot with a meltagun

[worn cargo]

He had a Warhammer animation actually

Does that count?

[orchid acorn]

Bit of a dick punch for the guards players, imo, they were the posterboys for the IG. It would be like Ultramarine homeworld getting blamm'd. I do appreciate they tried to push the setting forward though, because god damn it's been in stasis for decades

[storm jungle]

Lmao kind of

Old One Eye animation was more or so a retelling

[worn cargo]

Ooohhhh

[cunning wigeon]

yeah literally just retelling his story

and giving it a flipbook animation

[worn cargo]

It’s literally the only way I knew about yarrick personally

But damn it if it didn’t look cool for just being a pop up book.

[coarse olive]

That just means you have a lot of good stories you can experience

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly just an ork telling the new boyz about Yarrick's legend

it ends with the classic

"He is still out there somewhere, waiting to battle with Ghaz"

[worn cargo]

Wasn’t that guy a war boss?

[storm jungle]

Uh no it was uhh

a mek i think?

some ork with a beard

the other two orks were just newly made boyz

https://preview.redd.it/gxmku2x6lpi71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c10c0d2e1e9343d65146bc48e1f0ba90d7bf8cbb

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/miohN-Lo5DBkwXIyEdNzzhnnG60=/0x0:2211x1240/1400x933/filters:focal(910x668:1262x1020):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/69779566/hammer_3.0.jpeg

[cunning wigeon]

ah yes the best fate in 40k, being forgotten until gw want to make some character seem tough by either being killed or killing them

cant wait for the next time the swarmlord is mentioned, im sure they will be a credible threat

[storm jungle]

Lmao yep

[coarse olive]

I mean like, it would just be madness to not let Yarrick die in glorious battle

[worn cargo]

Was he never named?

[storm jungle]

Nope

just random orks

[storm jungle]

Again hes deffo gonna get a new mini at some point, just not in awhile because hes not an astartes

[cunning wigeon]

be careful dil, almost sound like a guard player the way you turn a blind eye to all the new models

[coarse olive]

Can't throw away those sweet profits

[storm jungle]

We went quite a bit without Marine minis atm

[worn cargo]

the more people wait, the more people want it. That’s why 40k won’t have a grand finale until they know it’s ready.

[storm jungle]

well kinda

we had that uh

templar killing ork thing

very exciting i know

[worn cargo]

Isn’t there orkperium?

Or is that a fan thing

[coarse olive]

Idk man, I mean they just introduced the Votaan right? Seems like we've got a lot more miles to go until we get any end times shenanigans

[clear frigate]

this is late but I think it was Majorkill that made a video a while back explaining how devastating Yarrick's death COULD be to the galaxy Because it would essentially free Ghazgull from being obsessed with him. so maybe a WAAAGH arc?

seems odd that it's just a page in a codex though

[coarse olive]

He did, but that's all just theory. That's why there was so much confusion because its obviously a ready plot device to transition to an Ork threat arc

But I doubt it would just be canonized that way, he would most certainly be farmed for mini dollars first

[clear frigate]

It is theory indeed, theory I'm inclined to believe as an Ork player but like I said doubt it because if it was gonna be a major plot thing they wouldn't just mention Yarricks death in passing in an updated Codex

[coarse olive]

According to content creators like Valrak, that's exactly what it says. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post video links in here but here it goes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvD0EBfjVQw

[clear frigate]

ah I didn't see Valraks thing I just saw what people were saying in here

[coarse olive]

They seem to have left some rope with the timeline & events which this occurs but even then it just seems bizarre that they wouldn't have context & a mini before then. Yarrick is like such a huge back pocket plot device to just throw away

I'll have to wait to get my hands on the new Codex but Valrak isn't really one to be inflammatory

[unborn iron]

isnt yarrick extreamly old?

kain is also dead

[coarse olive]

Yeah he's hundreds of years old, not exactly a new concept though.

[unborn iron]

kain is cannonicly dead a swell

like of age dead

officely in lore the administratom and militarom dont belive he is dead cuz they are tired of hearing "COMMISART KAIN HAD DIED" and then kain comming back

[coarse olive]

Yes but the plot device between the two is not the same, it would just be a huge blunder to throw that away

[unborn iron]

yeah

wed see, may be a fake leak

they already...semi killed creed

like he is in tryzen's vualt soo dead for the time being

[coarse olive]

The vault is also a plot device

supposedly he's got a Krork or two in there

[unborn iron]

he had greyfax in there but let her out cuz she was needed

its basicly "yeeeah.... you need a brake"

also it did save creed from dying on cadia

[coarse olive]

F in the chat for Cadia

[unborn gust]

Cadia fell

[celest dome]

Rejuvenate treatment exist

[coarse olive]

but Cadia Stands

[unborn gust]

Cadia stands on rubble

[coarse olive]

But Cadia Stands

[unborn gust]

Standing didn’t seem to help their planet

[unborn iron]

they work to a certin point t ho

[coarse olive]

They don't need a planet, They're Cadians.

[unborn iron]

reminder that millions of cadians are on the phalanks

[coarse olive]

Which is another way of saying Cadia Stands

[unborn iron]

its the imprial fist so it should be
CADIAN REFORTEFIED

[storm jungle]

Lore doesnt really matter with these things

if Yarrick wants to return it just needs a good excuse in the lore

its how warhammer works at the whim of miniature tales than actual plot mostly

[coarse olive]

Yeah, I mean Cain died twice right?

[storm jungle]

Kinda

Cain is prob gonna stay dead because there isnt much to do for him at this point

but his death has never been certified as much as I can remember

[coarse olive]

Oh I don't think he's coming back I just think its a good example of getting a little more juice out of a fruit from the trash can

[celest dome]

GORK and MORK HAVE NOT FINISHED WITH THIS ONE
SEND MAD DOK GROTSNIK, HE'LL PATCH HIM UP PROPPA

[coarse olive]

He cannot be dead yet, the Waagh has not permitted it

by the Waaaagh I mean lost profit margins

[plush mason]

i seem to recall reading somewhere that the steel legion was getting a new codex at some point. so if that is true im sure that will have more info on how Yarrick died