Enough massive to shield alone a small flottilla of SM ships iirc the excerpt of the book where it get destroyed... Which btw, was another scenario of dumb decision made so that such plot line end in a way to not mess with other already established plots when no one even thought about making such ships
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
Yeah the flagship appears in like
3 books?
you can tell they just destroyed it as Blank said to get rid of it as a plotline
which is fair i guess lmao
barren tapir
Yeah, otherwise that ship would have managed to single handely delayed or prevented even the siege...
worn cargo
Necron ships are just advanced chips we all know it.
That’s why they’re not fitted with a warp drive.
They’d crumble.
fierce pendant
Necron ships are just advanced chips we all know it.
Intel and Nvidia merger is indeed portrayed very scarily in wh40k
storm jungle
worn cargo
Is… is that world engine a… necron ship…?
worn cargo
Also is there an ork version of this?
worn cargo
YEEESSSSSS
storm jungle
Sadly not that HD
had these saved when the guy making them nuked his art account so
worn cargo
Better late than never, plus I’m pretty sure I can just look ‘em up or somethin I’m basically obsessed with orks anyway
Sucks though that he nuked it
This is some quality material
storm jungle
fr fr
tho do you need a ref sheet badly? Im in a server with the guy, can ask for an HD version if he has it
worn cargo
It would be very nice it’s like the coolest thing ever
storm jungle
Lmao alright will DM when he gets it to me 👍
worn cargo
🍻thank you
storm jungle
Not really lol
also those are super specific lore/book ships
i dont exactly blame em for not putting them in
when literally almost EVERY other ship class is there
copper cliff
Doug Dimadome Attack Cruiser. Solos all navies
storm jungle
Lmao
These are all taken from RPGs so its prob a better source than the lexi in that regard
copper cliff
The hat is actually a space elevator aboard the dimadome
crisp heath
So do Daemons actually leave behind corpses when they die, being made out of warp energy?
broken zenith
Well, they are normally banished back to the Immaterium (Keep in mind that a Daemon World is part of the Immaterium and not the Materium) anyway unless for specific circumstances.
snow mantle
I think that primarily depends if they needed to possess somebody to arrive or if a ritual just ripped a door to hell open and they could just walk out
dusk patrol
And how warp corrupted the area is
snow mantle
Warhammer: It Depends™️
broken zenith
Grey Knight holding the decapitated head of a Chaos Daemon.
storm jungle
So do Daemons actually leave behind corpses when they die, being made out of war...
Yes and No
Their corpses stay when the plot demands
But they normally teleport away
worn cargo
Their corpses stay when the plot demands
Does that stop them from being dinner? 
worn cargo
Yessssssssssssssssssssssss thank you very much, sorry DM’s are closed I don’t want any fucking dark web credit card hackers DMing me again
worn cargo
mossy mortar
Grey Knight holding the decapitated head of a Chaos Daemon.
dude's a super powerful psyker he's probably forcing it to exist so he can hold it up and embarass the demon
clever steppe
Can a sister of silence beat a custodes?
barren tapir
If the plot demand it yes, otherwise not really, custodes are meant to be the apex of what humans can be, they have higher reflexes than SM, they are faster and stronger... And since SM are stronger than normal humans the fight should be only one sided between a SoS and a custodes...
SoS are just "normal" women decked in some of the best gear the imperium have
clever steppe
I was moreso referring to the ones who are blanks
barren tapir
I mean, they are still bae, but they only get extremely small amount of genetic improvement since the possibility to mess up with the genes that make them blanks is too high to risk their lives
barren tapir
I was moreso referring to the ones who are blanks
All SoS are blanks
clever steppe
I thought only some were
barren tapir
Nope, they all are
That is why they are extremely trusted by the custodes... They are the only other force that can freely walk the imperial palace, that is the level of trust they have from custodes and big E
clever steppe
But then if they all are shouldn’t they beat a faction that’re all connected to the warp?
barren tapir
Yes, they do, they were sent to prospero exactly to deal with the thousand sons sorcery when magnus was to be sanctioned
They were fighting in the war in the webway
And now, they are helping fleets travels the warp storms after the creation of the cicatrix maledictum
broken zenith
The Sisters of Silence do also protect the League of the Black Ships during the harvest of the Great Tithe.
earnest snow
Can't believe what they brought Ohio to space. Oh mah gawd
earnest snow
I am here to entertain <w<
plush mason
i mean. Ohio is basically just a modern day ork wagh so it makes sense
copper cliff
Why aren't chaos space marines called Warp Marines? 🤔
dusk patrol
Also the warp and chaos are distinct things
Technically the Legion of the Damned are Warp Marines I guess, but they aren’t from Chaos and don’t serve it
mossy mortar
There's warp spiders
celest dome
Why aren't chaos space marines called Warp Marines? 🤔
Cos not every thing in the Warp is Chaos
versed sphinx
Let me see your favorite excerpts
copper cliff
Why aren't they called Imperial Marines then?
After all not everything in space is part of the Imperium 
No I'm sorry mr inquisitor! please!
crisp heath
I’m not entirely sure I understand the purpose of allowing Rogue Traders to be such loose cannon free agents
snow mantle
I’m not entirely sure I understand the purpose of allowing Rogue Traders to be s...
Basically a combination of imperial inefficiency, imperial recognition that these weirdos can actually make massively lucrative deals for local space, and a recognition that offering up a spot as a rogue trader is a handy way to peaceably make political opponents with the right mindset fuck off for adventure (and or death)
copper cliff
The Imperium often compromises its shitty morals for self interest.
crisp heath
So Rogue Traders make money for the Imperium?
snow mantle
Gotta make the local nobility rich, gotta keep the material for the war machine cranking. Them's the breaks in the imperium
dusk patrol
I’m not entirely sure I understand the purpose of allowing Rogue Traders to be s...
Because they get a lot of stuff done and they hunt them down if they go too far?
They don't hand out the rites willy nilly
snow mantle
So Rogue Traders make money for the Imperium?
Mostly for themselves, but the Imperium benefits when these guys drop off their trade/loot too.
dusk patrol
They chart new paths for the Imperium
Find worlds, act as a way to get artifacts and other goods.
Its a dangerous line of work.
Owning ships in general is already expensive as all hell.
snow mantle
That's all also true. Plus the imperium doesn't have to maintain those ships themselves, so they benefit on that too.
dusk patrol
They don't make them for fun, Rogue Traders have a lot of value.
Inquisitors tend to use them for transportation.
crisp heath
Bit new to RT part of canon I guess, so they get loot for the Imperium and aren’t subject to any laws of the Imperial Creed unless they commit overt treason?
dusk patrol
They learn stuff outside the borders of the Imperium that the Imperium couldn't have.
dusk patrol
Bit new to RT part of canon I guess, so they get loot for the Imperium and aren’...
Kinda yeah
Stuff like Chaos isn't allowed.
But they could have certain xenos in their crew
snow mantle
The imperium is pretty hands off with Traders - Especially the super old hereditary line ones. Long as they do some good work, don't start a chaos cult, and kindly keep the uglier xenos out of sight when they dock - Most everything's fine, long as they mind themselves.
crisp heath
Basically a combination of imperial inefficiency, imperial recognition that thes...
So, having a Warrant of Trade forces you to become a RT?
snow mantle
"Newer" traders have less overall freedom than the originals, and may have limitations on say, where they can roam
snow mantle
So, having a Warrant of Trade *forces* you to become a RT?
I'd say it just keeps that door open for you. "Have ship, will travel" kinda deal. You don't necessarily have to keep going eternally unless your (hang on - looking it up) Marque specifies.
Plus they can straight up retire once they've had their fill and enough goods in their pockets to settle somewhere.
crisp heath
So the picture I’m getting is, RT are just scouts for Segmentum Obscurus the Imperium doesn’t have to expend that much on, in exchange for letting them have fat stacks
snow mantle
Roughly. Then you also have the "political enemy being given an invite to fuck off in space for wealth and less rules" angle that appears on occasion.
They're merchants, mercenaries, scouts, archaeologists, tour guides, taxis - Whatever they can make a buck on with the crew on hand.
Granted i'm kinda boiling it down a fair extent.
crisp heath
And their primary benefit is mapping, exploration, and setting up trade routes to benefit the Imperium?
snow mantle
There's always a new planet somewhere. Yup. Those are broadly it.
crisp heath
So, why can’t the Imperium just send their own official ships to colonize and demand tithes? Too far away or stretched too thin?
snow mantle
They can, and do. But scale is always a concern. Rogues with their wandering alleviates it somewhat.
crisp heath
Ah, I think that clears it up for me, thanks. I read the Lexicanum and the wiki and still felt like I was missing some pieces of context
snow mantle
Happy to give my two cents. 😄
snow mantle
Admittedly i dunno enough about WHF overall to say that <.<;; I lean a lot harder into 40K
plush mason
the skaven where said to be created by a great bell that tolled 13 times
vapid solstice
my favorite part of lore is when the emperor
celest dome
Get spookyfied ?
arctic talon
the skaven where said to be created by a great bell that tolled 13 times
Nah it’s to represent the 13th black crusade
13 shows up a lot in warhammer
Skaven, the black crusades, the high lords of terra
celest dome
13 is an important number in Europe, its no wonder that it appears often
tired umbra
13 is also the amount of toes I have. It's all connected.
short elk
placid flax
Ah, I think that clears it up for me, thanks. I read the Lexicanum and the wiki ...
gotta remember with the Imperium just how VAST the galaxy is. The Imperium covers a pretty big chunk of the known galaxy and even then there are unfathomably large areas of space that it probably doesn't know about/has lost contact with over the thousands of years. There's always room in the galaxy for more mad explorers and profit hungry adventurers 😄
plush mason
13 is an important number in Europe, its no wonder that it appears often
and infamous
13 is to Europe what 7 is to China afaik
mossy mortar
No that's 4
plush mason
so how the hell do the custodies aim the guardian spear?
mossy mortar
It has targeters built in i think
celest dome
Most SM and Custodes weapon have system letting them aim without having to use the iron sight
copper cliff
Its called the rule of cool. Hip firing looks more badass.
plush mason
k
celest dome
Not the appropriate channel, this for #theorycrafting
nocturne jetty
Why do Psykers use guns?
worn cargo
Because if you don’t have a gun as a wizard, why even bother being a wizard?
storm jungle
Also this
celest dome
Behold a Psyker (Wizard with a Gun)
storm jungle
MR PRESIDENT GET DOWN
celest dome
Why do Psykers use guns?
But on a more lorewise/serious note, psyker use guns because they are safer than using the warp
storm jungle
My favorite part of 40k is people trying to explain stuff like why wizards use guns when its literally just:
broken zenith
I’m not entirely sure I understand the purpose of allowing Rogue Traders to be s...
They are basically explorers, conquistadors operating and acting beyond the Imperial Space, discovering, conquering new worlds, establishing trade routes and acquiring vital information, bringing the Light of the God-Emperor to the long lost colonies of the Old Night in the far reaches of the galaxy, mapping out previously unknown or lost regions, meanwhile also profiting from it themselves in the process, such free agents are vital regarding the unimaginable scale of the galaxy extending across 100k lightyears with the Imperial Space only extending across 70k lightyears, they were extremely vital for the accelerated growth of the fledgling, nascent Imperium during the Great Crusade and they are now needed more than ever before since the birth of the Cicatrix Maledictum ripping the galaxy apart.
storm jungle
celest dome
While a correct assumption, Harry Potter with a gun would be cool, but not make sense, while a Psyker with a gun make sense
broken zenith
Yer a Psyker, Harry
plush mason
Harry Potter has no guns because plot
yeah. in harry potter a wand or stave is needed to focus and channel your magic and not using one can be very risky iirc. where as in 40k the psyker can just use their minds alone
dusk patrol
You need to open up on a sucker sometimes
I CAST GLOCK
empty shuttle
dusk patrol
broken zenith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cicKss2bN0Q&t=401s
DE are the real good guys imo
empty shuttle
DE?
storm jungle
Im glad he put an arrow on the thumbnail
I thought the chaos god was the beard dude on the left
empty shuttle
I thought the chaos god was the beard dude on the left
they can take many form tough 
celest dome
**I CAST GLOCK**
empty shuttle
he clearly got some point in the video about chaos god tough
worn cargo
Harry Potter has no guns because plot
storm jungle
oh god its spreading
plush mason
nah. "harry potter with guns" has been a thing for years
empty shuttle
snow mantle
Counterpoint to your witchery
celest dome
God made wizard and human, Colt made them equal
crisp heath
They are basically explorers, conquistadors operating and acting beyond the Impe...
Ah I see, I guess I was a bit hazy how someone looking to mainly gain profit for themselves is supposed to benefit the Imperium
storm jungle
They are basically Privateers
Get Warrant
Go raid other nations
I MEAN
Make Diplomacy
$$$
its their basic inspiration
dusk patrol
It’s also super dangerous
snow mantle
Easy enough: find a new asteroid belt with enough adamantium to build warship skeletons for thousands of years, sell the coordinates, if not the adamantium yourself - walk off rich as hell while the imperial war machine gets drilling for said warship frames
dusk patrol
They explore and go out to uncharted regions
And there’s a reason those places are uncharted
And it’s not because they’re all Tahiti planets with beautiful women and coconuts.
snow mantle
And it’s not because they’re all Tahiti planets with beautiful women and coconut...
But some definitely are, as long as you remove the exodites first!
dusk patrol
Naughty Dog bought those areas?
storm jungle
dusk patrol
There’s at least one I’m sure
plush mason
Naughty Dog bought those areas?
who?
plush mason
ah
dusk patrol
Also at the end of the day, they’re justified in the setting because they’re a fun fantasy like Inquisitors
You get your exotic crew, your own kickass ship or fleet, and you can go out and do what you want.
storm jungle
Yeah like the Inqs, Rogue Traders are made with an RPG mindset in mind
its suppose to be fun
celest dome
RT: I have express authorisation to do what ever I want
acoustic yacht
Why do Psykers use guns?
When you run out of magic juice, you still have lead juice
celest dome
Inquisitor: Do you really want to ask me if I'm allowed to do it
broken zenith
Rogue Traders are so vital that they are basically the namesake of 40k as the setting came to be, Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader launching in September 1987 based on WFB 3E ruleset as heralded in WD 93 (UK) and teased back in WD 92 (UK) of August 1987 as written by the absolute legend Rick Priestley himself, the father of Warhammer in general, Mr. Warhammer himself, which had been long in the making, beginning development in 1982 as TTRPG Rogue Trader after Bryan Ansell's Laserburn, and merging with Warhammer Fantasy Battle, gaining the name Warhammer 40,000 around 1984-1985 as WFB became a massive hit at the time with the first test battle reports of 40k around '85 using Bryan Ansell's Space Menfish with Lasguns, which were later on sold as Solid Based Aliens in 1988 RT flyer for a limited time as a fun fact, the legacy of the Menfish extending beyond dimensions and games, from early D&D as CM FF to 1E of WFB and finally 40k RT itself.
From the humble beginnings of 1983 The First Citadel Compendium to the success of 1987 Rogue Trader as the game finally launched after 5 years in the making.
Just like mentioned before, 1E aka RT was also an RPG with many of the RPG mechanics of 3E WFB carried over. Rogue Traders, Inquisitors and Navigators were the pinnacle of these D100 Random Generation Tables. 2E 40k in 1993 and 4E WFB in 1992 got rid of these RPG mechanics in favour of strict wargaming experience when Tom Kirby took over from Bryan Ansell as the new CEO at the time, introducing the concept of the Army Books and Codices at the time as well. Many of the Oldhammer players still lament the loss of the RPG mechanics and D100 random generation tables to this day.
short thicket
speaking of rogue traders hyped for the rogue trader rpg from owlcat games ought to be great fun
broken zenith
HYPEEE
clever steppe
I saw a video that said that skaven kinda exist in 40k
broken zenith
RIP Space Chaos Ratmen
clever steppe
X-10198.RK is species the video referred to
mossy mortar
I saw a video that said that skaven kinda exist in 40k
They got a cameo appearance in one of the rulebooks as the Hrud
Maybe
mossy mortar
Ah I see, I guess I was a bit hazy how someone looking to mainly gain profit for...
Rogue Traders exist because interstellar communication in 40k is slow and difficult. Which means people operating far enough from imperial authorities can't actually communicate or receive orders. So you need someone who can bear the ultimate responsibility for making decisions while gone for decades, maybe more (especially due to time dilation and time shifts from warp travel) snd who will be essentially self sufficient
broken zenith
They got a cameo appearance in one of the rulebooks as the Hrud
Yup, good ol 3E 1998 rulebook, a classic. Inq54 also had Hrud Fusil as a wargear choice ❤️
broken zenith
6E 2012 rulebook had an updated version of the original 3E Minor Xenos piece too
celest dome
How lorefull are Psiloi Constructs ? And are they rare ?
opaque vessel
First time even hearing about them what are they ? @celest dome
celest dome
Inquisitor Martyr: Prophecy
The Tech Adept has sevitors that it can use to fight (Basically the pet class)
plush mason
afaik they exist yeah. part of the legio cybernetica
storm jungle
As the Lord Commander Solar, Arcadian Leontus sits among the highest echelons of the Imperium, boasting an unimaginable roll of titles, peerages, ranks, and probably a whole gaggle of attendants tasked solely with ensuring that his horse has enough cyber-hay.
With an army of logistical advisers, priests, tacticians, tarot readers, prophets, seers, confidants, and sub-commanders at his beck and call, Lord Solar Leontus is personally responsible for hundreds of stunning Imperial victories. Though his remit is technically confined to the defence of the Segmentum Solar, Leontus has led campaigns far beyond its boundaries. How else, he argues, can he protect Holy Terra from distant foes?
His steed Konstantin* is decades old, now largely cybernetic and clad in gleaming armour. From this lofty perch, Arcadian Leontus commands the men and women of the Astra Militarum as they endure horrifying battles in their mission to protect the Imperium from the heretic, the mutant, and the alien. Though he’s kept at his physical peak by a healthy diet, regular exercise, and staggeringly expensive rejuvenat treatments, Leontus has spent over a century leading the Emperor’s armies.
Wearied by the horrors of war and the Imperium’s brutal demands, the Lord Solar knows that he may never see the fruits of his tireless efforts. Nevertheless, he continues to lead from the front – armed with his pistol Sol’s Righteous Gaze, and his power sword Conquest.
TLDR: Macharius but Diet Coke
plush mason
@celest dome yeah the psiloi are just the scyllax but not lol
so just walmart brand versions like a lot of the other stuff in that game
the inquisitor ARPG was never made to be true to lore in any great capacity
hell the tech-adept himself looks like an ecclisiarchial priest with a tech fetish lol
final spruce
His tabletop rules tho 👀
barren tapir
Are at least those good?
final spruce
Judging by the point cost, abilities etc, it seems a bit on the weaker side compared to other lords but we are lacking some rules before we can judge
idle anchor
broken zenith
RIP Yarrick
arctic talon
for now
we're getting an armaggedon campaign book
There's 0 chance of him not being in it imo
outer wave
Fantasy question: do Ogres like eating anything including veggies, or do they only eat specifically meat?
copper cliff
I think they eat pretty much what guard do but in larger quantities edit: oh ogres sorry
outer wave
Yeee I can see Ogryns not caring
But Im not sure if the fantasy counterpart is different
broken zenith
hungry boiz
copper cliff
Fantasy question: do Ogres like eating anything including veggies, or do they on...
Ogres from what I understand are real meat fans but they do be garnishing and stuff.
outer wave
Ogres from what I understand are real meat fans but they do be garnishing and st...
If thats the case, damn I thought covering yourself in veggies would deter them
celest dome
Fantasy question: do Ogres like eating anything including veggies, or do they on...
Pretty much anything they find, even undead
broken zenith
Ogres are apex omnivores, they'd eat anything
celest dome
There is a story about a halfling cook that become a prisonner to the Ogre, and he has to cook a lot of thing to not get eaten
broken zenith
Tamurkhan fed the Red Fists tribe corrupted meat so that he could corrupt them into the Plague Ogres during T:TToC
outer wave
There is a story about a halfling cook that become a prisonner to the Ogre, and ...
I feel being a cook for the Ogres would probably be the best fate for any prisoner
You're practically a Butcher but not an Ogre
And not magical
copper cliff
Although Ogres are more chaos resistant than a lot of other races. Think only orks and lizardmen have them beat
Orcs in this case
celest dome
It's also the closest source of meat when the Ogre need more meat in the stew
Dwarf too
iirc
copper cliff
Ogres love meat
broken zenith
Yup, the natural resistance of the Ogres was finally overcome by the vile poxes of Nurgle
tired umbra
Chaos Dwarves do exist.
celest dome
Chaos Ogre too
copper cliff
Chaos dwarfs are more prominent than chaos ogres i think
celest dome
CD are rarer
tired umbra
I reckon Greenskins and Lizardmen are the only two races who just tell Chaos to fuck off.
celest dome
And Chaos pledged Dwarf (Greater God) are not numerous either
Chaos Ogre used to be a unit the WoC could get
copper cliff
I mean chaos dwarfs are more of a front. An actual faction. Where chaos ogres are more like hungry murderous vagabonds
broken zenith
Chaos Ogres were units until the very end in 8E, their regimental champion was mutant ogre
copper cliff
Normal ogres are hungry murderous vagabonds you can bribe
broken zenith
FW in 2012 with T:TToC also expanded on them with the introduction of the Plague Ogres
You had to proxy the Plague Ogre minis as Chaos Ogres tho due to no dedicated unit entry
copper cliff
Though normal ogres have the kingdoms and chaos ogres seem to mostly play second fiddle to the ruinous powers favorite boys
Beastmen moment
broken zenith
Chaos Ogres are more of mercenaries than dedicated servants of Chaos, that's why Tamurkhan had to feed the Red Fists corrupted meat in order to corrupt them.
copper cliff
Ogres do like eating people so its a convenient path to that
broken zenith
CD and OK trade a lot too, CD gifted Ghark Ironskin of the Ironskins Tribe with the Iron Rhinox in exchange for slaves
CD provide the Ironskins with weapons and armour too
broken zenith
Ogres do like eating people so its a convenient path to that
pretty much xD
tired umbra
I kinda love that in both 40k and Fantasy. Greenskins/Orks are one of the few races that are entirely immune to Chaos because it offers them nothing.
And yes I know Nurgle Orks were a thing at one point
But that shit hasn't been a thing in forever
copper cliff
Chaos preys on the suffering to offer them salvation.
And Orks are both too stupid and too stubborn to need salvation because salvation is punching people in the face.
Khorks would be the most likely thing to happen but even then its still pretty impossible because why would the orks follow a weak God like khorne when they have gork and mork? Thats like twice as many gods!
broken zenith
Papa Nurgle's blessings can overcome any resistance eventually 😌 💚
Chaos Orks were elaborated on in RT as to how they would exist despite the fact that they are resistant to Chaos by the mastermind of Chaos himself, Bryan Ansell, Mr. Chaos.
as well as rules in WD135
RT roots were the inspiration for 3E Codex: Daemonhunters - Adversaries section Nurglite Orks of Karl Kopinski and the scenario by the legends Andy Chambers, Graham McNeill, Pete Haines and Andy Hoare.
3E C:DH Adversaries not only allowed Chaos Orks, but also Chaos Tau and Chaos Eldar, and also allowed for a Radical Inquisitor too, it was absolutely fun and creative.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070213001015/http://uk.games-workshop.com/daemonhunters/adversaries/1/
https://web.archive.org/web/20090201183604/http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/daemonhunters/painting/chaosorks/default.htm
WD281 The Downward Spiral was a great article on this topic
and also the iconic Wages of Sin battle report of WD 280 (UK) by none other than Phil Kelly himself regarding the possessed Ulthwe vs Daemonhunters
Phil Kelly still hints at the Chaos Eldar of old sometimes even in recent editions such as 8E rulebook
Phil Kelly was originally going to feature Chaos Eldar of the Crone Worlds army list in Eye of Terror instead of Ulthwe Strike Force, so no wonder why he still hints at it from time to time, I'm glad Phil Kelly is still working for GW ❤️
celest dome
Kinda like the Chaos Elves then ?
Apart from specific Character
And the Cult of Slaanesh
Which was nice at least
broken zenith
Yup, there are a lot of developmental parallels between the two
2004 6E SoC CoS was fantastic
my fav variant army list at the time
Druchii Anointed & Devoted of Slaanesh 💜
celest dome
I'm hoping Total War W3 get a Druchi Anionted dlc with Dechala the Denied
broken zenith
omg I hope so really
that would be awesome 😍
Aislinn vs Dechala
HE Sea Patrol vs Tormentors
-Sea Lord, Storm Weaver, Commodore, Mist Mage, Ship's Company, Lothern Sea Rangers and Merwyrm + two unique spells, The Writhing Mists and Mistress of the Deep and also Lothern Skycutters
-Druchii Anointed, Devoted of Slaanesh, Pleasureseekers, Slaangors
my dream DLC xD
I hope Morathi also gains access to them whenever they get added
the fact that Andy Hall is the head writer of TW gives me hope in that regard
Daemonettes are finally recruitable by Morathi, thx Andy ❤️
celest dome
Morathi should get a pet/ally Slaanesh faction to get them via outpost
broken zenith
yessssss
celest dome
The only part about TW W trilogy I dislike is the VCoast dlc
Which should have put Aranessa on the side and just give her access to units from the Grand Alliance
broken zenith
ikr
Aranessa being VCoast LL doesn't make sense
wish it was Skretch Half-Dead instead
celest dome
Vangheist would have been more fitting
broken zenith
the entire reason Aranessa joining the Grand Alliance of Jaego Roth was that she absolutely hated the Vampires and Undead, and Manann told her to purge the Vampires in her dream too
it's like making Prince Yrellian a VCoast LL
just doesn't make sense :I
broken zenith
Vangheist would have been more fitting
yeeeee Vangheist would've been awesome too
celest dome
Keeping the member for the parent race as Faction leader than can be confederated via Legendary quest lines
broken zenith
RIP living Sartosa :c
celest dome
Like Aranessa would need to join Jaego to get Empire units, Red Brokk for Dwarf and so on
While Count Nocti would start with VCount units and unlock units for each of his ally
Vangheist would get quest to get back control of the Maelstorm or submit to Nocti
And when the Chaos Dwarf come out, Hackart could be one of the LL, or at the very least Minot Faction leader
broken zenith
Sartosa should've been DoW instead imo like how they were treated as ever since 5E 1998 DoW army book fluff such as the Silk Road section and 2005 6E Conquest of the New World global campaign treating them as DoW as per scenarios and global campaign as per 6E WD 251 DoW RH army list. And CotNW specifically didn't treat Sartosa as VCoast for that matter as per being the debut global campaign.
celest dome
Still my only hope for a good Dreadfleet game lies with FS actually
celest dome
Like they dropped so many hints that I think I've gone from the crazed lunatic to a potential prophet (Only payment I desire is a hidden cactus bearing the star of Chaos)
Like we know Badrin's daughter is part of the Barak Varr Navy (Red Brokk), that she is captain of a Nautilius (Red Brokk had 2 Nautilius and 2 Air balloons iirc), she has fought against the forces of Count Noctilius
So:
- High Elf Arch Mage (Multiple wind)
- Empire Knight
- Sartosan Pirate
- Araby character, maybe a second mage or something based on assassins
- Hedda Bardinsdottir, expanded on engineering stuff
vapid solstice
man, i cant wait for the inquisition to work together with the eldar to revive the god of death Ynnead so he can fuck-off slaanesh and the imperium can use the collapse in chaotic power to launch an offensive, also potentially resulting in the resurgence of the emperor via the Star Child
storm jungle
hopefully in the next 80 years or so
celest dome
man, i cant wait for the inquisition to work together with the eldar to revive t...
This is what copium does to a man
broken zenith
wild watch captain artemis appears
vapid solstice
This is what copium does to a man
and then magnus turned loyalist and the emperor purged perturabo of daemonic influence and everyone was happy
broken zenith
iron within
iron without
celest dome
That's not regular Copium, that's Copium+
broken zenith
all is dust
vapid solstice
meager zinc
Am i the only one that thinks the primarchs are overrated?
It feels like they caused more problems than solutions
tired umbra
I mean the Imperium in itself has caused more problems than solutions in general
meager zinc
Yeah but I feel like if the emperor spent that time i dunno fixing the Men of Iron instead of making son-clones, the imperium may have been better off
storm jungle
Yeah but he doesnt because plot
he does dumb stuff because 40k has to happen
for example Marines aren't really needed at all, the Imperial Army in 30k would be just fine with having Custodes as their generals. But Astartes are there because they are the main toyline
meager zinc
I mean space marines are helpful
storm jungle
Kinda, the power of writing is that you can make any conflict go the way you want in the plot. Marines are just extra flavor on top.
tired umbra
Also. if everyone did everything logically shit would be boring as fuck.
Because people are NOT logical.
storm jungle
^
meager zinc
Im just saying, humanity has one bad experience with AI and they throw the baby out with the bathwater
tired umbra
Im just saying, humanity has one bad experience with AI and they throw the baby ...
Well yeah. It's because E Money says so and E Money is a megalomaniacal tyrant who only sees things his own way.
prime tapir
It feels like they caused more problems than solutions
The primarchs did cause more problems than solutions.
The primarchs I do like — I like more for their flaws than their strengths, and this is often the source for said problems.
The primarchs like most of E’s ideas was terrible
But you know that’s why he’s in a golden torture device now
storm jungle
The Primarchs again only cause problems because the plot demanded it.
With a lot of the traitor legions your problem is their are more or so color-coded to fall to the chaos gods from the moment they were made as characters.
the best thing the HH novels can try to do is make their fall kinda understandable
some work, some dont
broken zenith
2nd and 11th Primarchs best
meager zinc
"creates chaos space marines" i feeel like maybe there were pros AND cons to this lolllll
storm jungle
like how Mortarion is just an edgelord with daddy issues
"DAD STOLE MY KILL, I HATE HIM NOW"
storm jungle
Magnus is hot so he gets a leave.
rocky dune
Perturabo is probably my favorite primarch, just because how deep his problems go while still being semi competent
tired umbra
Peter Turbo would easily be the best and most efficient primarch if he would get his head out of his own ass and stop being a little cry baby
storm jungle
Perturabo is that one TF2 teammate whos trying to get the attackers to get the final capture point while the entire team is busy doing taunts/rancho relaxos
meager zinc
I thought mortarion just went thru a nurgle stank tube. Or was that just the death guard?
storm jungle
I thought mortarion just went thru a nurgle stank tube. Or was that just the dea...
It was both
my point is more that he has no character
aside from uh
"Raised in poison planet, psykers bad."
meager zinc
I mean gettin stanky is a... Character trait
rocky dune
Perty is just actually focused on winning the war while everyone else kinda just dicks around with chaos
broken zenith
iron within, iron without
meager zinc
Mortarion can brap with the best of em now
storm jungle
Perty is just actually focused on winning the war while everyone else kinda just...
Most chaos marines during the Siege be like:
rocky dune
And so he thinks he’s better than everyone else at controlling it, and gets turned into a daemon prince while going “No guys, I’m built different, I swear”
rose thorn
‘Hey I think the eldar would have won this war-‘
‘NO STUPID FUCLWAD THE LEMAN TUSD IS THE BESY PRIMARCH AND SAVED THE ELDA R AND KILLED THEM@SLL FOR BEINH DUMB’
prime tapir
You kinda need to have the primarchs do questionable shit, otherwise your setting stops being satire/critique and starts being endorsement.
tired umbra
broken zenith
Valrak: I came here as soon as I heard primarch
rocky dune
You have to earn being a chapter master
broken zenith
ye, I like the CM more
rose thorn
Ya know
meager zinc
You kinda need to have the primarchs do questionable shit, otherwise your settin...
But it just split the space marine legions into two things you can endorse lol
Military gothic or black metal
prime tapir
But it just split the space marine legions into two things you can endorse lol
Will you have turds or turds with spikes in it today sir?
meager zinc
Orks are more speed metal??
rose thorn
You have to earn being a chapter master
Yeah, and it’s perfectly reasonable for them to be fucking killed every edition
Lmao imperial fist chapter masters
meager zinc
Will you have turds or turds with spikes in it today sir?
What do sequins and rhinestones fall under?
rocky dune
Lmao imperial fist everybody after the hh
Didn’t they get wiped out to a man during the war of the beast?
rose thorn
Because imperium
rocky dune
How does that even work
broken zenith
Tyberos the Red Wake is sooo awesome imo
rose thorn
Because THE IMPERIUM CAN NEVER LOse eveR
Except the raven guard they can be curb stomped all you want
rocky dune
IF successors are just cooler than normal IF honestly
rose thorn
Despite my never dying love for them
rose thorn
IF successors are just cooler than normal IF honestly
100% agreed
broken zenith
yeeeee
meager zinc
I mean do the imperial fists survive or do they just get their ranks refilled like a sports team?
rocky dune
Black Templars have a unique aesthetic and style, and crimson Fists do the bog standard marine chapter better
tired umbra
They are still around. They grow back pretty fast considering they get a pretty prime pick when it comes to recruits.
rose thorn
Also crimson fists can say fuck you to any horde unit ever
tired umbra
They recruit from Terra and Necromiunda
rocky dune
And neither have to deal with an ugly color scheme lmao
tired umbra
Excuse u IF look sick
broken zenith
Crimson Fists are sooo iconic, good ol RT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAO_dRRxiO8
meager zinc
And the legion of the damned are cringey as fuck no matter what they do cuz their armor got flames on them like they're Hot Wheels cars hahaah
tired umbra
I love that
rose thorn
OH MU FICLING GOD THATS A SEXTON OR WHAT EVER TJE FUCK
tired umbra
Imperial Fists confirmed the greatest
rose thorn
THE MAP THINGS
broken zenith
power fist in Darktide whennn
meager zinc
I think those tools are prolly just for ceremony
rose thorn
THEY HAVE A COMPASS TOOL
tired umbra
Or if they need to show some regular humans what they need to do on a proper map
Or if mechanical stuff for some reason isn't working
meager zinc
Like heyyyy guys remember our ancestors plotted the stars or something
rocky dune
How big would they be to average humans though
meager zinc
There like a head taller to literally being 25 ft tall
tired umbra
Not too big. Marines can work machinery in their suits pretty well
I don't think a sextant would be out of their range
meager zinc
The art varies wildly
broken zenith
wish the upgrade kit had breacher shields
meager zinc
The sextant im guessing? Size of an xtra large pizza
Measure an ass whooping in light years
rocky dune
Either the sextant is enormous to a normal human, or they use teeny tiny ones with their enormous power armor hands
meager zinc
Or its like a symbol, like the jesus fish on peoples car, or the jesus fish with legs on other peoples car
broken zenith
I guess the sculptor wanted to emphasize architect aspect
rocky dune
Not like they have much else of interest
meager zinc
I mean @broken zenith knows, theyre name is just a sextant upsidedown
meager zinc
I can only dream of a team up like this
dusk patrol
Correct
Because it can only exist in your dreams
although actually there has been cases of the Imperium working with Tau
generally against Nids
broken zenith
6E allies matrix flashbacks
dusk patrol
There’s also a Scion regiment who regularly works with them
hushed kayak
i mean blood angels teamed up with the necrons
broken zenith
I remember Tau + WS lists dominating TT for a while back in 6E
until Escalation expansion
broken zenith
i mean blood angels teamed up with the necrons
ah, the spiritual liege.
exicted matt ward noises
broken zenith
Everybody Hates Nids
hungry bug boiz just wanna nom nom :c
plush mason
ye
vapid solstice
if theres one thing we can all unite over
its hating the nids
plush mason
they are the only faction that isnt evil when you think about it
vapid solstice
nah they are the most evil faction
plush mason
nah. evil is a moral concept and there for does not exist in nature
vapid solstice
double nah, tyranids are still the most evil whether they comprehend it themselver or not
dusk patrol
they are the only faction that isnt evil when you think about it
Nah they still are
tight sigil
Are tyranid sentient beings or more like hungry animals?
dusk patrol
The hive mind has intelligence for one
It targets the Blood Angels because it hates them
vapid solstice
an individual tyranid is stupid animal, except for greater life forms like hive tyrants and stuff, those are smart and can act individually, but still subservient to the hivemind
plush mason
It targets the Blood Angels because it hates them
because they made themselves a singular threat
dusk patrol
Yes and it hates them and has malice
It can feel things
It’s not mindless and it’s not just eating because it has to
plush mason
yeah but morals are a creation of civilization not intelligence
dusk patrol
Yes so by this logic Drukhari aren’t evil
Since their civilization doesn’t consider it to be
Like obviously these things don’t think they are
They still are
plush mason
yeah. so i stand corrected. no faction is evil when you think about it from said faction's pov
vapid solstice
imperium are the good guys
dusk patrol
Although tbh Chaos sometimes do just be evil for evil sake
plush mason
imperium are the good guys
in their eyes they are yeah
tawdry escarp
There are heroes in the Imperium, doing their best to fight for the innocent. The Imperium itself is a bloated corrupt institution
vapid solstice
to say the imperium itself is corrupt is a bit of a misnomer, there are plenty of both competent and incompetent people in essentially every different individual part of the imperium, including both the corrupt and the incorruptible
broken zenith
The Emperor protects
vapid solstice
it's hardly efficient but it's hardly evil either on the whole
tired umbra
I am going to assume this is a joke. But the Imperium is so fucking evil.
vapid solstice
it unironically is not evil on the whole
plush mason
the adjective chattel slavery and institutionalized dehumanization of all those deemed inferior to the "pure" humans is flat out evil by most standards but taken from the pov of the imperium itself both are needed to ensure humanity's survival
broken zenith
malal is the real good guy imo
tired umbra
Even the "good" ones are turbo fachists who are completely okay with servitors being a thing and nuking anything that isn't a human.
atomic pelican
To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times.
He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of Man for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day so that he may never truly die.
Sounds pretty good idk what u guys are on abt smh smh
tired umbra
Like Ciaphas Cain. He's a cool guy right? Funny, charming, cares about his soldiers and such. My boy was still VERY proud of his Comissar cadets for their accuracy when shooting at LIVING TRAINING DUMMIES.
tawdry escarp
Without the enemies they face many of the Imperium's decisions would be unconscionable, but since they face things that would gladly slaughter every man, woman, and child they do as they must
And even that is a bad justification
plush mason
yeah
broken zenith
Xenos best
atomic pelican
god that old GSC art
Love that that piece is in the 9e codex too
Genuinely most of the xenos have a more apt justification for doing what they do
broken zenith
god that old GSC art
yesssss
David Gallagher, absolute legend
WD 328 ❤️
RT WD 105 Harlies, David Gallagher is just legend
his 4E WFB DE army book is iconic piece too
broken zenith
Genuinely most of the xenos have a more apt justification for doing what they do
yup
atomic pelican
I LOVE old harle art so much
I painted my harlequins in like colorful pastels(think smarties colors)
I dont really run them very much anymore since they're expensive and a bit too oppressive tho
vapid solstice
i fuckin love 40k art
atomic pelican
I just wish they had more unit options
broken zenith
ikr
atomic pelican
It's very likely to jus tsee a harlequin army that's just 4 unique models
broken zenith
wish GW would bring back the good ol Mimes and Master Mime
atomic pelican
Supposedly KT will introduce mimes again
That was on one of the big KT leak lists
broken zenith
omg I hope so really
fingers crossed ❤️
Harlies had so much before 4E rendering them to CWE Elites choice
3E Harlequins Dreadnought/Wraithlord or as Oldhammerers called Marionette
broken zenith
ikr 😍
CJ39-44 Harlies 3E exp codex was awesome
2E CJ 17 had Benathai as another lost Harlie unit
the psychic familiars
and CJ 17 tried to bring back the Warlocks as Shadowseer Acolytes
8E PA Harlies WD index brought back the Great Harlequin as a Stratagem for TM, but it's now gone again in 9E Aeldari dex too
just imagine Sylandri Veilwalker mini omg
atomic pelican
god
it is depressing that the only named harle character model is
an adepta sororitas model
LMAO
broken zenith
ikr 😭
atomic pelican
He also looks MEGA cool too
broken zenith
why u do dis GW ;_;
broken zenith
He also looks MEGA cool too
yessss
atomic pelican
atomic pelican
Reminds me of prior to the 9e Aeldari codex, some shitheel inquisitor had a better shuriken weapon than DAvengers did LMAO
broken zenith
ye lol
my fav RT Jes Goodwin piece
bio-explosive ammo ❤️
and also good ol Harlies vehicle looting rules of RT
WD 105 is sooo iconic
"All their wars are merry, and all their songs are sad."
Harlies ever since September 1988 ❤️
wish GW would also bring back the vehicle looting rules for Harlies xD
I also miss the time when Venom used to originally be a Harlies transport back in 3E before GW making it DE vehicle in 5E instead :I
At least they are now back in the form of Starweavers 😌
plush mason
so do baneblades normally have names or is that just for special ones?
dusk patrol
The “standard” one is just called that I believe but there’s a lot of variants depending on the forge world
Lucius and Mars being the main two
plush mason
no i mean names like "bastion of faith" and what not
like how some knight suits do
i guess what im asking is are all baneblades given such names on completion or do they earn those over time in service
same for the knight suits as well
storm jungle
They do yeah
40k is heavily WW1-2 inspired so most tanks usually get named one way or the other
plush mason
thanks
broken zenith
Yup, they do. For example, Maxmillian Weisemann was given the command of Baneblade number 212, 'Arethusa'.
cerulean wagon
40k is heavily WW1-2 inspired so most tanks usually get named one way or the oth...
not even just a world war thing
people name vehicles for some reason
so ye all tanks in 40k have names
dusk patrol
Yeah there’s a lot of names
Father Time was another
Baneblades in particular tend to get named for being more rare and being a symbol deal, but tank crews often name their Leman Russ or whatever too
cerulean wagon
Fortress of Arrogance is still one of my favs
storm jungle
its just such an honest name
dusk patrol
Yarrick gets all the best drip
Steel Might was another which the Mordians had that got destroyed
broken zenith
Yarrick ❤️
round cedar
is the chaos cult on Tertium bad enough for daemons like plaguebearers to start appearing or do daemons only come out when it really hits the fan?
mossy mortar
40k is heavily WW1-2 inspired so most tanks usually get named one way or the oth...
tanks still get named
I'll have to find it I have a whole collection
dusk patrol
One of my cousins had a crew for one of their tanks in his regiment or whatever it’s called who were all black guys, they named their tank Hot Chocolate
I always loved that one
mossy mortar
dusk patrol
There were a lot of funny ones though
Puff the Magic Dragon
Bad Breakup or something like that
dusk patrol
“Wait for the Flash” was another I saw a photo of
mossy mortar
is the chaos cult on Tertium bad enough for daemons like plaguebearers to start ...
Well, we haven't seen how bad things are gonna get
mossy mortar
“Wait for the Flash” was another I saw a photo of
what era was it
dusk patrol
Iraq war
mossy mortar
which on elol
round cedar
Well, we haven't seen how bad things are gonna get
as far as we know its decently advanced with mutated cultists and ogryns
mossy mortar
dusk patrol
But I think second
dusk patrol
Someone practiced their calligraphy in high school
mossy mortar
the combination of font and shitty film camera photo lol
dusk patrol
Certified hood classic
night sorrel
Tbh I really don’t see how this is 40k lore
proper helm
Started off with 40k tank naming
vapid solstice
everything is 40k lore
you see, we actually live in 40k right now. modern history is merely a tau invention to keep us distracted as we are under tau rule
vocal leaf
Or you know, we are just a couple thousand years early irl
wraith socket
WAAAGH!!!
earnest snow
YEEEEE GET THE BATTLEWAGON READY BOYZ
final seal
orchid acorn
tanks still get named
The one that makes me giggle is Nicholas Moran's (The Chieftan on youtube). When they got their Abrams the buildplate said it was 18 years old, so it inevitably got named "Barely Legal"
cyan oxide
plush mason
ye. until she solos an entire traitor guard battalion their armor support and the chaos marine warband that was leading them
broken zenith
and then eat their corpses
celest dome
Still not an Eversor
plush mason
she thinks she is lol
ofc thats just due to the fact the game is your typical ARPG just set in the 40k universe
celest dome
Who think ? Mira ?
plush mason
nah the assassin inquisitor
plush mason
nah i was joking. but she plays like the eversor in a lot of ways. literally leaving nothing but a piles of bodies behind
assassin melee builds can be insane with massive damage and survivability
vapid solstice
could the dark eldar theoretically replicate a custodes with their mastery of biology?
broken zenith
Ordo Sicarius ❤️
plush mason
could the dark eldar theoretically replicate a custodes with their mastery of bi...
i think they would need one to study first. but if they did kidnap one they may be able too
broken zenith
wish GW would expand on the Haemonculus Covens range, imagine plastic Grotesque kit
vapid solstice
there are plenty of reasons that'd probably never happen, but its interesting to think on if they actualaly could, at least in theory
vapid solstice
wish GW would expand on the Haemonculus Covens range, imagine plastic Grotesque ...
tru tho
worn cargo
Ordo Sicarius ❤️
That looks like something that’d hunt us
vapid solstice
looks like someone that would take one of psyker personalities away for "questioning"
meager zinc
Ordo Sicarius ❤️
"Becoming an Ordo Sicarius initiate is no simple feat" oh really? Ok just tell me one JUST ONE special role in the imperium that actually a simple feat
"becoming an Ordo Simplarus is quite an easy feat in the Imperium."
meager zinc
Yeah but those aint special
dusk patrol
Administratum isn’t too hard
meager zinc
Yeah okay i guess you dont have to go thru too much psychological and physical torture to become one
meager zinc
No im agreeing with you
dusk patrol
I guess we need to define what qualifies as “special”
meager zinc
I mean i guess something that an average imperial citizen isnt expected to end up becoming.
Like most imperial citizens dont become administratum
But alot of other special roles in the imperium have you go thru "the pain train" to qualify lolll
celest dome
The administratum is filled by normal people
meager zinc
Oh ok
celest dome
And I think it's more sensible to compare the Assassin with other acolytes
Which while having normal people can also have SM, Admech, SoB...
meager zinc
I just read alot of special imperial roles and its like "you gotta survive the pain train to prove yourself in all these roles" and its kinda funny to me
meager zinc
I dunno do i have to get on a torture rack to become a full omnistack developer?
I dunno im just wondering where guillimans head was at when he woke up
I mean think about it: Chaos corruption is running rampant thru mankind, but you know what we used to have when Chaos was at its lowest that the imperium doesn't have now?
broken zenith
"Becoming an Ordo Sicarius initiate is no simple feat" oh really? Ok just tell m...
Well, the Ordo Sicarius monitors the deadliest killing machines in the galaxy, the Officio Assassinorum, ever since the Officio Assassinorum civil war, the Wars of Vindication, as founded by Inquisitor Jaeger. An Assassin-Acolyte of the Ordo Sicarius must be an equal of such a monstrosity for surveillance and control, that's what the DH datasheet means by the sentence.
meager zinc
Thats right: A Middle Class.
mossy mortar
The administratum is filled by normal people
Yeah rhe pain train comes after you start working
You take the world's worst office job, then crank that up to 40k levels
copper cliff
Paperwork forever. Paperwork for paperwork for planets you've never seen that are probably gone by the time the paperwork gets through, creating more paperwork and if you do it wrong you get thrown into the sun.
meager zinc
Well, the Ordo Sicarius monitors the deadliest killing machines in the galaxy, t...
Yeah I know, I just saying is it even needed to state the obvious? Becoming a space marine ain't easy, becoming a sister of battle aint easy, becoming a inquisitor aint easy, etc. And if they are gonna keep bringing this up, then I gotta know: who actually has it the easiest out of all of them?
mossy mortar
There's no time for losers in the imperium of man
meager zinc
Like yeah being part of the Ordos is tough, but is it really tougher than being a SM dreadnaught?
mossy mortar
Even the guy who sweeps the floors is like a 20 year apprentice of the floor sweeper's guild who started at 11 years old and can wield his masterwork power broom like it's an extension of his own soul
The broom is 3000 years old and has its own fan club
celest dome
Archeotech Broom
mossy mortar
It's named Sanitas ex Machina
celest dome
It's a vacuum cleaner but they don't know how to make it work so they use it as broom
mossy mortar
The sweeper takes the broom home and sacrifices vermin to feed its spirit
The broom is actually considered the head of the household
Every day the whole family is required to bow to it in its home shrine before they get ready for work
broken zenith
Yeah I know, I just saying is it even needed to state the obvious? Becoming a sp...
*"Every Assassin is selected from a young age, often from feral worlds or the Scola Progenium, and trained for many years. The selection process is even more rigorous for Assassins than it is for Space Marines, and perhaps only one in several million candidates will finally fulfil their training an become and Officio Assassinorum operative.
It is this perfection of mind and body that is the lure of the Thorian. Not only does the Ordo Sicarius, through the Officio Assassinorum, have access to the historical records of such remarkable individuals, but also is formed in such a way as to allow the identification of possible recruits. A Thorian in the Ordo Sicarius can monitor such activity and, if he or she feels it appropriate, investigate potential subjects for signs of Divine Vessel suitability."*
https://web.archive.org/web/20130729085727/http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1320032_Thorian_Sourcebook.pdf
These should clarify why being an Ordo Sicarius agent is especially tough since you are supposed to monitor and control the likes of an Eversor or Callidus Temple. Officio Assassinorum operatives chew off the Space Marines for a breakfast, let alone random Battle Sister.
dusk patrol
And then you have Culexus assassins
Where you take some of the rarest people in the Imperium, and find out a way to get good candidates out of them
meager zinc
> *"Every Assassin is selected from a young age, often from feral worlds or the ...
ok so assassins have it harder than space marines. question answered. but now i feel there could be a rating system that people could look at to get an average "Suffer rating" for each role.
so assassins would be what, 80? a stock space marine would be 50?
and the culexes would be aaaa 90 on the suffer scale?
or still an 80?
celest dome
90+
celest dome
Eversor at 99+
dusk patrol
They go through some shit
meager zinc
The "Who's Got It The Hardest" Rating Symposium, sponsored by Fatshark
dusk patrol
And they fight the worst of the worst
celest dome
Didn't some book rumour that there was a Psyker Officio Assassinorium ?
dusk patrol
Didn't some book rumour that there was a Psyker Officio Assassinorium ?
Not that I can recall
meager zinc
That’s easy, it’s obviously the fuckin’ servitor in the medicae box
you gotta give us a number buddy.
dusk patrol
It’s a simple life
worn cargo
you gotta give us a number buddy.
would you wanna live in a box lobotomized & overtaken as but a mere machine rather than a man.
that, is the number.
meager zinc
ok so ill put the med servitor at like a 95
meager zinc
ok yeah maybe a 70
dusk patrol
Nope
worn cargo
Gets to do shit
worn cargo
They gotta run the machine somehow
meager zinc
guys guys guys plz we need numbers. out of 100
worn cargo
They are the machine is the thing
dusk patrol
Yeah but they’re not conscious is my point
They’re not like “oh god I’m a machine stuck in this wall” in their heads
They’re just “beep boop, slice this dude up and somehow health him”
meager zinc
yeah if there lobotimized there may not be any sense of self awareness. so id prolly stick that at 70/100
worn cargo
It’s not like we can knock on the dudes skull to ask him though, so. It’s probably one of those questions of like what a person in a coma knows
dusk patrol
It’s not like we can knock on the dudes skull to ask him though, so. It’s probab...
We have examples in lore
Some servitors are botched but it’s a massive massive deal to fuck it up
Punishable with some pretty horrific stuff
And yes they can check inside the mind of the person
worn cargo
Oh yeah, he is a servitor
worn cargo
crisp heath
So after a certain point of being a champion of a chaos god do you still get to have hobbies besides just whatever your god’s agenda is?
copper cliff
Your hobby is your god's agenda
storm jungle
Yes
arctic talon
there's a plague marine who keeps track of all the people he's killed and how
in a giant fucking book
copper cliff
Most khorne worshippers just wanna murder mode
dusk patrol
Abbadon makes toilet wine
arctic talon
and when he dies his name is gona be magically written in it
storm jungle
in a giant fucking book
dont forget the book mentioning a nurgling farting behind him and breaking his concentration
arctic talon
Yeah
arctic talon
Abbadon makes toilet wine
Wasn't it meant to be a replacment for plasma lol
dusk patrol
I don’t know if it’s expanded on
plush mason
dont forget the book mentioning a nurgling farting behind him and breaking his c...
ngl. i kinda wonder what a nurgling fart smells like now
dusk patrol
nvm its meant to replicate "the fifth element"
My man just wanted a redhead Mills Johovich
dusk patrol
Probably uses it to peel paint on the Vengeful Spirit
copper cliff
NOT THE JAR
plush mason
lmao
copper cliff
Can you imagine your planet gets suffocated by nurgling farts. Can't wait for the Luetin "top 10 most cursed ways to die in the 40k universe."
arctic talon
the nurgling jar
arctic talon
Can you imagine your planet gets suffocated by nurgling farts. Can't wait for th...
nurgling thrown into water supply
entire planet dies horrifically
more at 7
crisp heath
Most khorne worshippers just wanna murder mode
I remembered reading there was a Khorne champion in BloodQuest who allegedly had taken a daemon for a wife which is what made me wonder
But it is also a much older novel
copper cliff
Like a daemonette?
copper cliff
Cause Slaanesh and Khorne tend to dislike each other.
In Warhammer Fantasy Valkia is Khorne's consort but they don't have like a traditional relationship, he sicks his wife on mortals like a feral dog.
And though she's a daemon he kept her pretty
but that could be like
"boy writing" if you know what I mean
celest dome
Technically she ain't a Daemon nor a Daemon Prince
copper cliff
She's a daemon princess
celest dome
Never stated as such
copper cliff
celest dome
Wait is that from TW W3 ?
copper cliff
its from the villains wiki which is the first result
celest dome
Cause on the TT, she still has her Mortal denominator (So lack Daemon rules that for example Skulltaker and that Slaanesh guy has)
Which is an official wiki ?
storm jungle
Thats mostly because the female form of "prince" is that so
plush mason
yeah in lore she is a demon but for some reason the TT never gave her that stat
copper cliff
We were more talking about if she actually was a daemon at all
Than the proper term lol
celest dome
plush mason
yeah she is. TT does not always follow the lore in terms of stats sadly
copper cliff
I was certain she was cause I remember the story where she died and was resurrected as a daemon I just didn't know what kind.
plush mason
yes that is her canon lore afaik
celest dome
Now that make me salty because when ET were getting written I considered her a Daemon Prince and people were saying it was preposterous
copper cliff
Probably doesn't follow the lore there because Valkia isn't a 60 foot tall muscle monster with giant axes forged from the souls of other 60 foot muscle monsters
plush mason
yeah
copper cliff
She's a dainty murder monster 🙂
plush mason
Now that make me salty because when ET were getting written I considered her a D...
people get salty about stupid shit like that all the time sadly
copper cliff
Shoulda told them Daddy Khorne doesn't fuck mortal bitches
plush mason
like those that claim the firstborn are Napoleonic french inspired lol
plush mason
people are stupid
celest dome
like those that claim the firstborn are Napoleonic french inspired lol
Whut ?
Imperial/Tzarist Russian right ?
plush mason
and some cossak yes
copper cliff
KISLEV
celest dome
Kislev is more Polish/Ukraine/Lithuania right ?
plush mason
but there are people that think they are imperial french and get pissed if anyone says other wise lol
copper cliff
Its just generally eastern european.
plush mason
yeah
celest dome
Like the DKoK are either Verdun troops, but can be argued to be a mish mash from all WW1 troops
copper cliff
Although I was disappointed to learn Kislev didn't have Bogatyr as a hero option
plush mason
nah. they are 100% a mish mash of german french and a splash of british
celest dome
Although I was disappointed to learn Kislev didn't have Bogatyr as a hero option
Could still happen
copper cliff
Having no bogatyr is like having a viking faction with no berserkers
celest dome
Though are Rota still a thing ?
copper cliff
Boyar with cheese
plush mason
lol. the DKOK use an american handle for their shovels
so there inspiration is literally just ww1 western front
plush mason
i mean the shape is inspired by the ww1 american army
arctic talon
storm jungle
time to ban the chat 😔
arctic talon
Nothing lol
celest dome
Hey ! If I'm at fault so are you
crisp heath
do the imperuim humans ever ally with anyone?
celest dome
Some time
crisp heath
👀
celest dome
Usually with Eldar, Tau, minor Xenos
crisp heath
Usually with Eldar, Tau, minor Xenos
thanks
celest dome
Some time Ork, but usually it's mercurial work for the Ork
crisp heath
Orks seem broken
dusk patrol
Generally they’re the ones doing the breaking
mossy mortar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1005062021559095406/th...
that said defecates that means it took a shit
plush mason
lol
unique berry
The curse of the of Krieg wont leave this channel nor the Discord 💀
celest dome
FS's fault
acoustic yacht
The curse of the of Krieg wont leave this channel nor the Discord 💀
They are adept at entrenching and holding out, which is exactly what they did
celest dome
They were the one to give shovels
prime tapir
Showerthought
The imperium is large enough that there’s probably a few eldar (and other xenos) brainwashed to follow the imperial cult as some weird social engineering experiment.
mossy mortar
extremely unlikely
arctic talon
The imperium is too xenophobic for that
mossy mortar
also eldar are too special for that
storm jungle
Eldar are more smarter than that lmao
that and their religion is more about veneration/somber-remembrance than worship
other xenos though possibly
but that would be a case of stuff like them finding abandoned Imperial settlements or locales not visited in centuries by humans and worshipping Big E figures mostly because primitive/sentient things will usually worship anything
atomic pelican
I think thats how the og SoB were found? Well, except being humans
prime tapir
Inquisitors kidnapping a few exodites and raising their kids as psykers/lie detectors etc. Far from impossible.
Xenophobia sometimes skips a generation or planet, and it happens rather frequently when there’s a billion of them.
atomic pelican
I think kidnapping children is a very easy way to get Bladewinded or torn apart by the Worldspirit
So if their goal is suicide 👍
Attacking exodites at all rlly is a Bad Time Request
prime tapir
A billion is a frightening amount of planets, and many of those claim billions of inhabitants.
Shit fails, strange things happen and slip through the cracks.
atomic pelican
There may be a billion human worlds, but there are only handfuls of Maiden worlds
Exodites dont just spawn everywhere
prime tapir
We have like above ten documented feral children in our rather tame planet Earth.
The eldar have many more.
Anyway, the imperium is often thought of as xenophobic or dysfunctional.
And it is. But individual planets can always develop their own cultures that might not be as hateful as its host.
Among those, xenos might live in small groups, ushered away from imperial audits.
Much like how visibly mutated imperials live out their lives.
plush mason
We have like above ten documented feral children in our rather tame planet Earth...
lmao. we have whole tribes of people still living in the stone age today
prime tapir
Exactly, there’s a lot of room for nuance on a planet.
plush mason
yeah
neat rose
As cheesy as it may seem, I'm suprised I haven't heard of any guardsmen regiment with a cowboy/western frontier motif
prime tapir
Their heraldry needs to feature an opossum.
plush mason
As cheesy as it may seem, I'm suprised I haven't heard of any guardsmen regiment...
there is a regiment literally right out of the confederate states of america
neat rose
I have heard of one now, then
What I had in mind were like "cowboys" with revolvers and a HUD similar to that of what Astartes use for their weapons, which would let them see where their weapon was being pointed
Having said it out loud, that sounds laughably cheesy and boring 
atomic pelican
Cowboys can be found in two varieties
Hexmark Destroyers(Necrons)
and the Kelermorph(GSC)
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120110048_HexmarkDestroyerLead.jpg
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/3/3c/KelermorphMini.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190219024836
yee'd
and haw'd
timid wave
i was just about to post that haha
plush mason
so before the age of apostate chaos didnt use hidden cultists and heretics right?
orchid acorn
lets fucking go!!!!!!!!
isn't that just a repost of official blurbs? 
arctic talon
so before the age of apostate chaos didnt use hidden cultists and heretics right...
They didn’t use it as much
plush mason
k so it was always a thing for them
arctic talon
Yeah
copper cliff
Idk if its something they always necessarily control. People just kinda get mad and start worshipping evil shit and sometimes the chaos gods are like: oh shit, based.
plush mason
so why didnt ordo hereticus exist before the age of apostate?
or was the threat of these cults not big enough before then?
copper cliff
Think they had a lot less power then. The cults I mean. Not every compound in Arizona needs an entire government agency to deal with them right?
plush mason
true
copper cliff
But what if Satan killed the president who is also Jesus and then suddenly every town had the potential to get a cult compound or already has
unique berry
hushed kayak
unique berry
vapid solstice
there are two moments in lore that are my favorite
my first favorite moment
is the guardsman who steps between emperor and horus
when horus annihilates his soul, it demonstrates just how far horus has fallen as corrupted by chaos, and gives the emperor the strength from the sorrow of this heinous act to strike him down
as well as demonstrating the absolute peak of bravery, to step between two gods fighting as a mere man
my second is when big e climbs into a gargant because it was funny