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#40k-lore-chat
lean harbor
dusk patrol
But the meme of them isn’t typically accurate
dusk patrol
The vast majority of Inquisitors who order an exterminatus for example are executed or worse for it
There’s a special ordo who investigates every single order for them ever
lean harbor
lul. yes, exterminatus. for when murdering that one heretic just isn't enough.
dusk patrol
They’re not trigger happy with them is the point
lean harbor
the loss of life that inquisitors have managed to accrue makes me wonder what the tally is against actual threats LOL
dusk patrol
Typically it’s only done when the world is going to be completely lost with no chance of recovery and everyone on it is as good as dead or worse anyways
When it comes to Nids and Chaos it’s a mercy kill tbh
lean harbor
yes. so you know... heretics... on a hab world
just nuke 'em
I'm sorry I'll stop memeing
dusk patrol
The Imperium doesn’t use nukes mostly
lean harbor
... yes...
dusk patrol
Yes
lean harbor
just gunna use this gigantic ass group of torpedoes to crack the planet's crust and turn the atmosphere into molten fire
dusk patrol
They’re all about Eisenhorn
lean harbor
definitely not a nuke
dusk patrol
Well it’s not
A nuke couldn’t do that
And a nuke would be used for a smaller scale affair
lean harbor
yes, the radiation you're feeling as the atmosphere literally escapes into space isn't coming from a bomb, it's coming from the nearest star... 🤡
dusk patrol
But they’re too dirty and defeat the purpose of using them most of the time for the Imperium
Orbital bombardments are a lot cleaner if you’re able to do them
earnest snow
Eventually I'll get around to reading magos. I didn't expect a fourth book to come out for Eisenhorn
earnest snow
I seee. Then I'll read Ravenor before getting into that fourth book. Whenever I get around to that
dusk patrol
It’s a trilogy
Wasn’t as good as Eisenhorn but I still liked it
Did you read Xenos?
It’s a trilogy too
Xenos, Hereticus and Malleus. I think that’s the order too but I can’t recall
short thicket
lost tinsel
Think they are making a tv-show as well
dry epoch
Or bad editing.
earnest snow
I think it will always be hard to get certain aspects of 40k down correctly without going into a taboo area for film or animation making. Some areas of 40k are really grimdark so they may tone down some of it for the sake of the audience
Its been a while since I read the eisenhorn series so idk the specifics of it anymore
shadow plover
Eisenhorn doesn't really have anything too taboo I believe
earnest snow
Then it's a good starting point.
Isn't that the same scene where ahem lemme spoiler this ||where eisenhorn witnesses an alpha level child psyker kill a space marine by forced suicide when a parade got disrupted?||
shadow plover
oh yeah the triumphal parade
earnest snow
That truly was a 40k moment
minor lance
A take of relative, yet not excessive, heat: 40K fans have absurdly high standards that are just not worth trying to meet in most cases, especially since lore is inconsistent and numerous people will always be upset with whatever you make.
celest dome
I just hope they don't make it as ridiculous as Halo is
Like Halo doesn't feel like a Halo story, if it was named Mass Effect it would have fitted more
tawdry cloak
something i realize now, but... how are we going to fight chaos? cause isn't chaos a well kept secret from normal members of the imperium?
celest dome
Not really, just depend on the book
If the book is on the pov of a Malleus Inqui or a Grey Knight, then they will kill/cull all that know about CHaos
Other wise, more know about Chaos but under more local names
dry epoch
A take of relative, yet not excessive, heat: 40K fans have absurdly high standar...
Basing anything on written source material will always be contentious because people have their own mental visions of what things and characters look like.
tawdry cloak
i'm talking about in darktide contexts - like, we're clearly being sent after chaos's servants
celest dome
Yes
minor lance
Basing anything on written source material will always be contentious because pe...
I think 40K is especially bad for it, honestly.
tawdry cloak
so my confusion is, like... as far as i'm aware there's dedicated anti-chaos forces in the imperium, but how does a militarum (or whatever we characters are) get sent to fight chaos without knowing
minor lance
something i realize now, but... how are we going to fight chaos? cause isn't cha...
Nah not really anymore
Even since the EoT was embiggenified and such everyone kinda knows about chaos
They can't really keep it hush hush anymore
tawdry cloak
the eot?
celest dome
eye of terror
minor lance
EEEYYYE OFFF TTEERRROOORRR
tawdry cloak
whuzzat
minor lance
Spooky fabric of reality fuckery where the material world and the warp overlaps
minor lance
Chaos is like...
Imagine if your emotions were real.
And they inhabited another plane of existence.
Now imagine that the same was true of every living creature, especially sapient ones
That's the warp.
celest dome
And imagine that those emotions pray on each other and on you
And only the horrible ones survives
minor lance
IIRC it's more than the galaxy is a horrible place to live
So everyone feels heavily negative emotions.
The Warp wasn't always a horrible awful bad place.
You can blame the Old Ones for that.
You can also blame the Necrontyr
celest dome
Before the War in havaen it was nice ish
minor lance
It was just... Another plane of reality, yeah.
tawdry cloak
orks be out here giving good vibes to the warp
minor lance
There was nothing inherently, or even implicitly, bad about it.
But the Old Ones used it for the War in Heaven, and that corrupted it heavily. Then later down the line Eldar did an oopsie
celest dome
Didn't they imply that there were other different planes ?
minor lance
orks be out here giving good vibes to the warp
Orks get... Weird with the warp. Like, they are kinda antithetical to a lot of chaos forces. They war with reckless abandon, but there's 'joy' instead of just raw anger. They don't care about the complexities of reality or the mysteries, and their desires are quite simple. They have no sexual or hedonistic desires to prey upon, and they have no real 'passion' as their whims are quite fey. They have no real fear of death to clutch them with, and get bored with the status quo quite easily.
I feel that 40K fans are a loooot easier to piss off generally speaking, at least in personal experience. I think part of that is the super inconsistent fluff combined with quite a... Passionate fanbase, if that makes sense?
tawdry cloak
I feel that 40K fans are a loooot easier to piss off generally speaking, at leas...
the only consistency is the cost of entry to doing the tabletop stuff as far as i'm aware xd
but yeah having a canon that's not entirely agreed upon can be strange
minor lance
I can't say much about Halo fans, as I didn't follow that drama at all. In my experience with 40K fans, the ones who read the books are often a lot more chill than those who do not. I think if the same thing happened in media there would be blood.
minor lance
the only consistency is the cost of entry to doing the tabletop stuff as far as ...
Even that's not consistent! People play it for <cost of Tabletop Sim> nowadays!
EDIT: or even just 3D printing
tawdry cloak
Even that's not consistent! People play it for <cost of Tabletop Sim> nowadays!
...
very true... but i did buy my phb and codex (orks)
minor lance
very true... but i did buy my phb and codex (orks)
I stopped buying codices since they end up being out of date so quickly. Well, mostly. I buy the Necron ones cause I like spooky skelemans and they look nice to read.
I suppose that's fair. I generally think 40K is the opposite to most fandoms though, in that the die-hard fans are the ones that understand the inconsistencies and go "aight, aight, sure", and it's the initiated-but-not-lore-nerds who will kick up a fuss when something happens.
That said I am STILL mad about the 9th ed. trailer >:C
fierce pendant
A take of relative, yet not excessive, heat: 40K fans have absurdly high standar...
The "How bolter feels&sounds" dilemma
It's especially funny when there are two groups of people in which 1 group liked bolter presented in some game/video/animation, and one that isn't.
Literal recreation of Horus heresy with people going after each other's throat 
storm jungle
I suppose that's fair. I generally think 40K is the opposite to most fandoms tho...
Hell no lmao
40k is literally the same as any other sci-fi fandom
it has its good folks, its chud folks, and many others
Its more or so just the star wars fandom but less popular 
but instead of
"GEORGE LUCAS RUINED MY CHILDHOOD" its "GW HAS RUINED WARHAMMER"
copper cliff
I can't enjoy 40k anymore. Women 😔
unborn gust
Every fandom has the annoying loud minority
storm jungle
Every fandom has the annoying loud minority
Also yeah this.
40k is not that special in that regard
unborn gust
40k is not that special in that regard
The fandom is special
storm jungle
Nah
people just assume it is since its semi unknown to most regular folk
warhammer isnt that mainstream so it has that one advantage for now
unborn gust
I meant special as in special
copper cliff
tbh I do think Warhammer is special in that it attracts certain types of folks because of the main focus being. Ya know. The Imperium of man.
KRIEG
unborn gust
KRIEGGGGG
storm jungle
Yeah the Imperium's fascist visuals dont really help
I dont mind it as much obvs since its the appeal and i like it
but yeah it can get some People™️
copper cliff
Gamers™️
barren tapir
Don't insult the underhive like that
copper cliff
timid condor
Sister of Battle Fans want to know your location
copper cliff
ngl sisters of battle feel out of place most of the time for me
I think its the boob armor that really takes me out of the situation
storm jungle
Bruh Moment
copper cliff
They look like anime characters
unborn gust
I think its the boob armor that really takes me out of the situation
Wasn’t boob armor a real thing
storm jungle
40K IS ANIME THO
copper cliff
Wasn’t boob armor a real thing
No
A breastplate would form over your whole torso in a rotund shape to help deflect weapons. If you molded it around tiddies it would just cause you a lot of pain, discomfort, maneuverability loss, and generally compromise the structure of the plate.
storm jungle
No. Breast shaped protrusions have no place in plate armor, and actually make it worse by potentially channeling a weapon towards the neck area and giving a weapon more areas to “bite” onto.
unborn gust
Male armor had cod pieces
storm jungle
Sister armor is neat tho so its not a big deal
copper cliff
They should be uglier
unborn gust
> No. Breast shaped protrusions have no place in plate armor, and actually make ...
Real armor actually had curves
On the chest.
barren tapir
Its pretty hot so
Also quite thin... Loot at her legs, taking in consideration that the legs have armour on then her legs are super thin...
barren tapir
I saw that Edit Dilara!
storm jungle
timid condor
A breastplate would form over your whole torso in a rotund shape to help deflect...
GokTurk women want to know your location
copper cliff
This is generally the shape you would want a breastplate to have. If it was made for a woman, which very rarely it was, the chest area would simply expand depending on breast size to then conform to the overall shape. This way weapons aren't going to bite as easily because its a lot more bulbous. And also you never wear JUST the armor, you would wear gambeson and mail underneath which would also turn anyone fucking flat as a board.
Sorry folks, anime tiddies aren't real.
copper cliff
Ew shad
copper cliff
Much better video,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60lU68oyxK4
timid condor
Those are ficitions
storm jungle
just like me
timid condor
this is history
copper cliff
Bruh looked at the thumbnail
timid condor
no
slender orchid
Why some people want boob armor to be real so badly they will shake their fists at history and physics, it is crazy
copper cliff
There's a play button, fun fact
hollow basin
U are gravely mistaken this is history
timid condor
the boob armors that drawed and implamented to fictionals are not revelant to real stuff
yeah they are oversized in fictionals
but you took F on your history class
copper cliff
Cite a source for me so we can have a discussion instead of screaming into the void about fictionals
Showing me one picture with no context doesn't tell me anything
Not even a picture, a painting
hollow basin
Bro why are U talking about Boob armor like that even matters the only relevant armor is Carapace armor thats is All thank u have a good day
copper cliff
Also boob armor does have ceremonial places in history so like..
copper cliff
Now THIS is history
hollow basin
Boob armor? None So i rest my case Only Carapace armor matters
timid condor
Not even a picture, a painting
the painting I sent
copper cliff
Ya got anything else or just a painting with no context?
timid condor
hollow basin
Thats just robes mate
timid condor
source from: Turkey: İstanbul Aydın University
timid condor
Thats just robes mate
because that's just wiki
copper cliff
Yeah that's a robe in the picture, and the wiki doesn't say anything about armor
timid condor
yeah
unborn gust
Y’all still on about boob armor
timid condor
unfortunately
unborn gust
SoB are meant to be easily identified as female. Cause “no men at arms”. So it makes sense they have over pronounced features on the armor
hollow basin
Ok why are u trying to compare real life mideval to a sci fi fantasy
copper cliff
I literally made a joke about boob armor and people are trying to come at me saying boob armor is actually very practical for battle
This is some mad down bad cope
hollow basin
Bro its warhammer U have ppl in fkin power armored diapers still engaging in melee combat in the 40,000th year using big Fk off weapons of mass extinction at the same time trying to use real life comparisons to 40k is jus stopit
timid condor
I literally made a joke about boob armor and people are trying to come at me say...
did I ever say that?
I just said they are used
but are they good?
hollow basin
Like Ok bro Use ur mideval Real life armor Against my Lasgun
timid condor
I did not say anything
copper cliff
Where are they used in battle and not as ceremonial dress?
timid condor
well there is no source that live action painting in battle
but she wore that in battlefield
like king's crown
copper cliff
Yeah there is no source to suggest that boob armor was used for combat. Napoleon wore a big hat but you wouldn't say big hats were a staple of combat in the Napoleonic wars.
timid condor
yeah
unborn gust
Women didn’t really engage in medieval combat so you don’t have any examples
copper cliff
Historically speaking there's a lot of theory about women fighting in combat secretly disguised as men. Mulan style.
And then just women as brigands and other non-governmental force
timid condor
Idk about that but they are writing Turkish women were on horses fighting and shooting arrows
hollow basin
Turks didnt even use plate armor like that esp back during the days where they had female steppe archers but that literally has nothing to do w 40k lore
timid condor
Turks didnt even use plate armor like that esp back during the days where they h...
well not more than 2 used it
(armor)
prime tapir
Women have fought in battles since the dawn of time, including the medieval ages.
It’s just less frequently occuring.
That they participate should be pretty obvious.
barren tapir
Yeah, it is only that their stories are just surfacing now, many probabilities behind the fact that such stories weren't really shared though
unborn gust
Y’all still on this
copper cliff
Women have fought in battles since the dawn of time, including the medieval ages...
Yes, but we were specifically referring to medieval europe where as you say, they almost certainly did, but with less frequency or documentation. Its a real: "They were just best friends" situation.
unborn gust
Yes, but we were specifically referring to medieval europe where as you say, the...
Armor did have a bulge. Just not as pronounced as boob armor we see in fantasy
It’s almost certain that if women were in combat as knights more than men were that we would have seen the development of boob armor of some sort
copper cliff
no
unborn gust
Maybe not as much as giving the knight some bazonkazonk. But there would have been something
copper cliff
It would have been a pointless if not detrimental design decision
unborn gust
Knights were very ceremonial. It’s why they have cod pieces often times.
You have to remember knights weren’t a common soldier
Like at all
It was mainly peasants with pikes and such
The knight with a sword was hardly a common sight and often time’s nonexistent on a battlefield
copper cliff
Cod pieces aren't shaped like dicks
unborn gust
It’s a piece that goes where your dick goes
copper cliff
And also cod piece is 1 piece, a breastplate is designed around 4 regions of the body
barren tapir
Y’all still on this
unborn gust
That’s my line
copper cliff
Yet you continued it so
unborn gust
It’s very possible that if women took a combat role during that period, the armor bulge would have possibly moved up to the chest area
unborn gust
Go back to talking 40k
72k
copper cliff
Armor bulge is not boob armor
dusk knot
what the fuck is going on here
copper cliff
That would imply armor is beer belly plate
unborn gust
what the fuck is going on here
Don’t question it
weary leaf
Yeah no Google very confidently says the only design difference is the angle of the plate, no actual protrusions, which makes sense as it would compromise protection by minimizing deflection
dusk knot
chest wraps are a thing
barren tapir
That’s my line
Indeed it is, i thought it was fitting to use in such context
weary leaf
This discussion has been had a hundred times before, and it's not real
copper cliff
Women contrary to popular belief do not have massive bazonkadonks normally
unborn gust
Agree to disagree on this topic
copper cliff
No I just disagree
dusk knot
boob armour is dumb
celest dome
Can we stop
weary leaf
No one here has a degree in medieval armor yeah? So best we don't argue something we don't know
celest dome
And talk about a different topic ?
dusk knot
silence yank
copper cliff
Armoor
unborn gust
Armour you ignorant Tea dumping yank
Tea. I’m sorry did you mean fish food
Yankee Doodle dandy
I will continue to spell it the right way
weary leaf
Yall are behaving like children now
dusk knot
anyway, last thing: boob armour is dumb and anyone who argues otherwise is a horny mf
arctic talon
anyway, last thing: boob armour is dumb and anyone who argues otherwise is a hor...
It’s like codpiece armor 💀
copper cliff
unborn gust
Oh lala, we have an american here...
‘Merica out here. Spelling everything right
barren tapir
Armour you ignorant Tea dumping yank
Ok, this take the price for best response... We still remember that tea that got wasted
dusk knot
It’s like codpiece armor 💀
codpieces protect the crotch
barren tapir
Yall are behaving like children now
dusk knot
which stops your femoral arteries and other parts being hit
celest dome
Ok, this take the price for best response... We still remember that tea that got...
And I'm not even British
unborn gust
Did someone mention the bri’ish
dusk knot
You don’t need somthing that large is my point
ye
weary leaf
Imagine dying because a flanged mace catches your massive codpiece
arctic talon
💀
weary leaf
Should have worn better armor, fool
unborn gust
Imagine dying because a flanged mace catches your massive codpiece
Imagine it gets smashed in
And you gotta walk around with it stabbing your junk
dusk knot
I remember that I was chatting to a guy who had a billhook caught in the chink of his codpiece
weary leaf
The dynamics of armor breaking likely wouldn't result in that, the codpiece is not affixed to the plate and would likely slightly dent and otherwise move
unborn gust
Now I’m curious how modern plate armor would do against medieval weapons
I remember hearing modern plates aren’t great for getting stabbed
dusk knot
depends on the plate
unborn gust
Chunk
weary leaf
There really isn't any real modern plate
dusk knot
metal or ceramic could probably take a few hits
unborn gust
There really isn't any real modern plate
I mean ceramic plate. Not metal plate
weary leaf
Ceramic would shatter on first hit and then suck afterwards
dusk knot
Kevlar might take a short knife like in stab vests
copper cliff
This is a real boyz discussion
unborn gust
Kevlar might take a short knife like in stab vests
Only one way to test
Get a good ole knoife
weary leaf
Modern armor is made to maximize protection but breaks quickly, we haven't figured out any equivalent reusable armors (liquid armor seemed promising for a while but iirc they haven't gotten anywhere)
arctic talon
Ooblek armor lul
dusk knot
most armour and helmets are not made to stop direct hits
copper cliff
I thought nanocarbon armor was getting pretty far
weary leaf
The general rule of armor in all of history has been built to deflect, impact sucks unless you are wearing absurd amounts of compressible material like cotton
It's all about deflection, it's the cheap strategy to deal with force, redirect it elsewhere
unborn gust
I remember hearing modern armor is good for stoping ballistic impact. But not stabbing impact
copper cliff
ill have you know the gungan army has the best shields in the galaxy!
weary leaf
Theoretically if we didn't care about actually saving the life of the person wearing the armor, we could make stuff that can survive a 50 cal impact wearable by a person iirc
unborn gust
The body might survive. But those organs would be mush
urban flume
The body might survive. But those organs would be mush
something something weakness of the flesh something something strength and certainty of steel
prime tapir
Which loyalist primarch was the closest to turn to chaos? 🤔
dusk patrol
The Khan
broken zenith
Yup, Khan himself had deep respect for Horus
dusk patrol
Oh no Mira is here too now
plush mason
nocturne jetty
Oh no Mira is here too now
Haha
elfin geyser
watcher in the rain is so good
grand maple
off-topic question - there are certain space marine paldrons that have like studs covering them - is there a specific name for those? I'm curious as to their purpose. Or are they purely an aesthetic thing?
shadow plover
they're molecular bonding studs
dusk patrol
^
shadow plover
they function as armour reinforcements for armour that is hastily manufactured from lesser quality materials
or repairs
dusk patrol
Yeah
During the Heresy supplies got scarce for new armor and replacements so it become more common to see them
tight crater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFwAbnkp45w
really enjoyed listening to it
drifting tusk
don't get them confused with the studs in marines foreheads, very different purposes
grand maple
During the Heresy supplies got scarce for new armor and replacements so it becom...
Interesting. Thank you both! I thought it was more of a religious thing as I remember seeing them mostly on Chaplins
rotund briar
"Our Emperor, Who art on Terra, Golden be His Throne.
Thy Order come. Thy will be done,
on Anathrax as it was on Cadia.
We give You each day our eternal loyalty,
and punish our transgressions,
as You punish those who fall to Chaos;
and lead us not into heresy,
but deliver us from Xenos.
For Thine is the Empire; and the Warp, and the Webway,
for all Eternity. Human."
storm jungle
"Our Emperor, Who art on Terra, Golden be His Throne.
Thy Order come. Thy will b...
plush mason
lol
copper cliff
Our emperor, who paints on terra, his artistry is terrible
plush mason
so i wonder how the ogryn managed to not freak out in the valk on the way to the missions
broken zenith
"Our Emperor, Who art on Terra, Golden be His Throne.
Thy Order come. Thy will b...
*A spiritu dominatus,
Domine, libra nos,
From the lightning and the tempest,
Our Emperor, deliver us.
From plague, deceit, temptation and war, Our Emperor, deliver us,
From the scourge of the Kraken,
Our Emperor, deliver us.
From the blasphemy of the Fallen,
Our Emperor, deliver us,
From the begetting of daemons,
Our Emperor, deliver us,
From the curse of the mutant,
Our Emperor, deliver us,
A morte perpetua,
Domine, libra nos.That thou wouldst bring them only death,
That thou shouldst spare none,
That thou shouldst pardon none,
We beseech thee, destroy them.*
=][=
plush mason
hell just in general is it it stated how they keep the ogryn form freaking out in the valks on the way to the surface?
dusk patrol
Nope
plush mason
lol
dusk patrol
I guess ours are just lucky or they’ve figured something out
Maybe telling them to count their fingers helps
plush mason
maybe there is some kind of sedative they give them
copper cliff
Probably 40 minutes of coaxing before hand
And then holding their hand on the way down
plush mason
yeah but that wont help on the way there
dusk patrol
> *A spiritu dominatus,
> Domine, libra nos,
> From the lightning and the tempes...
*a spiwitu dominatus,
domine, wibwa nos,
fwom the wightning awnd the tempest,
ouw empewow, dewivew us.
fwom pwague, deceit, temptation awnd waw, ouw empewow, dewivew us,
fwom the scouwge of the kwaken,
ouw empewow, dewivew us.
fwom the bwasphemy of the fawwen,
ouw empewow, dewivew us,
fwom the begetting of daemons,
ouw empewow, dewivew us,
fwom the cuwse of the mutant,
ouw empewow, dewivew us,
a mowte pewpetua,
domine, wibwa nos.thawt thou wouwdst bwing thewm onwy death,
thawt thou shouwdst spawe none,
thawt thou shouwdst pawdon none,
we beseech thee, destwoy thewm.*
dusk patrol
copper cliff
that's going in the book
dusk patrol
*a spiritu dominatus,
domine, libra nos,
from ‘da lightn'n an ‘da tempest,
our emperor, deliva us.
from plague, deceit, temptation an’ WAAAGH!, our emperor, deliva us,
from da scourge uv da kraken,
our emperor, deliva us.
from da blasphemy uv da fallen,
our emperor, deliva us,
from da begett'n uv daemons,
our emperor, deliva us,
from da kurse uv da mutant,
our emperor, deliva us,
a morte perpetua,
domine, libra nos.dat dou wouldst br'n im only deth,
dat dou shouldst spare none,
dat dou shouldst pardon none,
we beseech dee, destroy im.*
Also the Orky version
mossy mortar
off-topic question - there are certain space marine paldrons that have like stud...
It's a reference to the original Rogue Trader minis, many of which had those studs on them. Been retconned to be a Horus Heresy specific thing
copper cliff
Gorkamorka is the true emperor
broken zenith
good ol RT
plush mason
it's gork or mork
nah in AOS they did a fusion dance and became Gorkamorka
mossy mortar
LAAAAMMME
plush mason
eh it wasnt permeant afaik
broken zenith
I think they separated again in 3E now, but not sure myself really, Kruleboyz of 3E launch are Mork worshipping swamp Orruks for example
plush mason
yeah thats what i heard
seems Gorkamorka is literally just a dragon ball fusion dance for them now
mossy mortar
And the beakie helmet is of course inspired by medieval hounskull helmets, which are actually a good design in terms of optimizing deflection and sloped armor
storm jungle
> *a spiwitu dominatus,
> domine, wibwa nos,
> fwom the wightning awnd the tempe...
Finally some good fucking writing
🏅
pins
mossy mortar
plush mason
And the beakie helmet is of course inspired by medieval hounskull helmets, which...
you mean the SM one?
mossy mortar
i guess the first one almost looks like an eldar helmet
copper cliff
Gorkamorka as an entity was kind of stupid because the whole point of Gork and Mork being separate is so they could fight each other lol
mossy mortar
I thought if gork and mork stopped fighting each other they would be unstoppable
plush mason
i guess the first one almost looks like an eldar helmet
the beak helmet afaik was made for the Corvus pattern armor and was literally made to resemble a raven beak in honor of the raven guard who the armor was first made for
copper cliff
Gorkamorka was kind of wild, he like joined up with Sigmar for a bit and was basically used as a wild bludgeon sent at people trying to fuck up the rebuilding
broken zenith
Gorkamorka as an entity was kind of stupid because the whole point of Gork and M...
ikr lol
mossy mortar
I'm talking about the original model
copper cliff
Then when that was over he started fighting Sigmar with Orruks but it was kind of based? Like it felt more like a friendly rivalry than an actual bloody war idk
Probably cause orks dont care about life
and stormcast can't die necron style
copper cliff
Stormcast are like Necron space marines its weird
storm jungle
Stormcast are like Necron space marines its weird
Stormcasts respawn back at the Sigmar's main realm, they just lose an inch of their soul each time they are reforged
its not really a necron thing
copper cliff
Age of Sigmar is just different, i've kind of lost the desire to call it bad because frankly its all terrible.
plush mason
Stormcast are like Necron space marines its weird
yeah seems e3 tried to fix that by making the reforging a limited thing. they can only be reforged so many times before it just destroys their souls afaik
copper cliff
In a beautiful way
storm jungle
yeah seems e3 tried to fix that by making the reforging a limited thing. they ca...
I love that ngl
if they get reforged so much they basically become space marines
aka bland and retorting heresy lines constantly like a grimdank user
😔
plush mason
lol
copper cliff
yeah seems e3 tried to fix that by making the reforging a limited thing. they ca...
Is that a new change?
plush mason
oh
broken zenith
GW has been trying to fix AoS since 2E launch in 2017, and it coincided with Tom Kirby retiring too (which also coincided with 8E TT reboot launch in 2017 as per Tom Kirby finally retiring, it seems like Tom Kirby was really the problem after all.)
storm jungle
Sigmar betrayed Nagash so the skeledad steals an inch of their souls every time a stormcast dies
its mostly an ego thing since Nagash says all the dead belong to him
storm jungle
NAGAAAASH!
copper cliff
storm jungle
Kind of but also not really
like Sigmar DID swindle him
but like
my man these are my human troops
i aint gonna give their souls to your skeletor nonsense
plush mason
i aint gonna give their souls to your skeletor nonsense
dont insult Skeletor like that
copper cliff
Bro is really like: WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE SWINDLING ME! BUT IM SUCH A GOOD GUY!
Flashback to mass atrocities
storm jungle
Lmao yeah Nagash is a fuckhead
its just the kind of fuckhead where you love how evil he is
also has great minis
plush mason
the nighthaunt look sick as hell
storm jungle
yeah the skeleton army range is fucking killer
copper cliff
Tomb kings and Vampire counts had sex
copper cliff
Only cause nagash is a fuckhead
plush mason
Tomb kings and Vampire counts had sex
which is honestly fitting as Nagash was honestly the father of both those factions more or less lol
copper cliff
Settra does not serve!
plush mason
yeah that thats why Nagash killed him krillian style lol
copper cliff
Settra beats the shit out of a walking mountain monster
broken zenith
I like the Soulblight, but then again I always liked VC since WFB
plush mason
broken zenith
updated Blood Knights kit is cool
copper cliff
Lot of people died kerillian style in end times
plush mason
ye
copper cliff
Didn't alith anar shoot both malekith and Tyrion and was basically like: you're both dickheads, now get along.
scenic bolt
AOS sculpts keep winning
storm jungle
Didn't alith anar shoot both malekith and Tyrion and was basically like: you're ...
Alith Anar basically went "I could kill you but wont because you are a mary sue"
plush mason
Didn't alith anar shoot both malekith and Tyrion and was basically like: you're ...
all i ever hear about the high elf/dark elf lore in end times it was beyond stupid and made no fucking sense
storm jungle
all i ever hear about the high elf/dark elf lore in end times it was beyond stup...
Basically
dusk patrol
AoS isn’t really my thing but bit silly to call it dumb when you’re on a 40k discord
storm jungle
the biggest enemy of the high elves
dusk patrol
It’s all dumb
storm jungle
fucking malekith
broken zenith
Skarsnik was completely forgotten, Josh Reynolds AskFMs complicate what really happened too.
copper cliff
Malekith and Tyrion like switched sides kinda but not really because prophecy? Its weird.
storm jungle
turns out to be the destined savior of the elven race
EVEN THOUGH
IN THE OG LORE
HE GOT DENIED BY THE GODS
AND WAS BURNED HALF TO DEATH
to put it into perspective
storm jungle
its like fucking Horus saving the Imperium
broken zenith
Dragon Emperor casually sailing off at the end as per Josh Reynolds AskFMs, which wasn't in the ET supplements for example.
copper cliff
Yeah, Malekith was crowned Phoenix King because muh destiny and betrayed the dark elves and so tyrion joined the dark elves to fuck up malekith? Iirc
storm jungle
YEP
storm jungle
Like he has been trying to destroy ulthuan and the high elves forever
scenic bolt
its like fucking Horus saving the Imperium
when 40k endtimes comes around they should resurrect horus from the aether to do just that
storm jungle
and now he is king for some reason
broken zenith
Malekith being the true Phoenix King all along was weird
broken zenith
Well, what did you expect from people like Matt Ward?
copper cliff
And then alith anar someone who hates dark elves was like upset but accepted malekith as king cause muh destint
plush mason
when 40k endtimes comes around they should resurrect horus from the aether to do...
i hate how realistic that honestly is
storm jungle
also the funny part was, after he got burned half to death, the end times book said
"If he stayed in the fires longer he'd have been crowned as the phoenix king"
which is
plush mason
also the funny part was, after he got burned half to death, the end times book s...
endtimes writers giving the old lore a once over
broken zenith
Tom Kirby basically willed WFB no more, and people like Matt Ward and Josh Reynolds had to come up with ET in few months in 2014
copper cliff
End times lore is great absurdism
dusk patrol
**AND WAS BURNED HALF TO DEATH**
Nah dog he just needed to stay in for like a second longer and he would have been burned just right and been made king
dusk patrol
Also somehow someone who did all the atrocities he did was a good choice for king
broken zenith
FW WF team wasn't even aware of ET coming, they had to cancel The Battle of Black Fire Pass and all the other goodies they had planned for WFB
copper cliff
Nah dog he just needed to stay in for like a second longer and he would have bee...
Chicken wing
Chicken wing
Make my king
A crispy Phoenix wing
dusk patrol
Almost like this system of anointing king is shit
storm jungle
its not
thats the thing
APPARENTLY ALL THE OTHER PHOENIX KINGS
JUST TOOK POTIONS TO RESIST THE FIRE
THAT MAKES SENSE
💀
copper cliff
PFFFFFFFD
storm jungle
its so bad lmao
copper cliff
Malekith was like: im gonna fuck around and find out
broken zenith
I mean ET literally turned Isabella into Nurglite
plush mason
wasnt the whole point that the fires would burn any pretender alive?
copper cliff
And then started an evil murder torture cult in Canada
storm jungle
wasnt the whole point that the fires would burn any pretender alive?
Yeah basically that
plush mason
JUST TOOK POTIONS TO RESIST THE FIRE
did the end times writers even read the old lore?
copper cliff
And also fuck his mom?
storm jungle
its a good system for choosing a king since literally the elven gods themselves choose if you are worthy
storm jungle
did the end times writers even read the old lore?
Yes
plush mason
its a good system for choosing a king since literally the elven gods themselves ...
ye
broken zenith
did the end times writers even read the old lore?
they didn't since Matt Ward was already known for not adhering to the previously established fluff
copper cliff
Maybe that was just elvish propaganda
broken zenith
his 8E DE army book is pain
storm jungle
Yep it was
scenic bolt
40k end times is going to be a grand and glorious mess
storm jungle
ikr
scenic bolt
here's 40 years of lore
scenic bolt
write an ending
storm jungle
im gonna enjoy it
storm jungle
Dante is gonna die because he forgot to close the door and got stabbed by a chaos marine
next page
copper cliff
Honeatly i wouldn't be mad if they just explained it as older kings lying and using potions to the point until it was forgotten to be a lie and so malekith genuinely thought there were gods to pick him.
storm jungle
yeah same
because Malekith is a cool character
they just kinda made him king because yolo
broken zenith
almost any OG had left GW by the time ET happened, even Andy Hall left GW in 2012 for that matter.
Alessio Cavatore left right before 8E in 2009-2010
copper cliff
But the way its framed just makes Malekith look like a fucking idiot lol
plush mason
Honeatly i wouldn't be mad if they just explained it as older kings lying and us...
there was no "older kings" tho. malakith was literally the son of the anarion the first king iirc
storm jungle
Yeah uh
scenic bolt
belisarius cawl activates his trap card and unleashes all of trazyn's exhibits at once killing trazyn, because cawl foresaw a trazyn betrayal millenia ago and secretly sabotaged trazyn's museum
storm jungle
Aenarion was the first
he then dies
but Malekith isnt chosen because hes too warlike
so they choose someone else
which is fair
but Morathi gets mad
copper cliff
Yeah idk if I'd trust malekith to be ruler of anything besides his mom's sex dungeon
storm jungle
Nah like
old Malekith was a super cool dude
was also BFFs with the dwarven high king
plush mason
yeah
copper cliff
Okay but like
scenic bolt
emperor returns as a true chaos god, horus returns as savior of the imperium, works with all the primarchs chaos and loyalist to defeat the emperor
storm jungle
THAT DIDNT AGE WELL
broken zenith
I'm still conflicted on whether to be okay or hate the revelation of the Lady of the Lake ending up being Lileath
scenic bolt
pay me to 40k endtimes
copper cliff
How far from crazy do you have to be to create a murder torture cult
storm jungle
Okay so
the cults were all Morathi's fault
she mostly manipulated malekith into it
copper cliff
Okay but he's pretty chill with it
storm jungle
Yeah that happens later
its mostly Morathi that corrupts him into what he is
he then just slaps her
and goes to do his own shit
aka being an edgelord
plush mason
that elves and dwarves would be friends forever
the fact he would go on to start the war of the beard by tricking the dwarves into thinking the high elves had murdered some of their traders shows how little of the old him remained
copper cliff
Idk I dont think its easy to fall into evil shit like dark elves theyre pretty awful even in comparison to chaos
storm jungle
the fact he would go on to start the war of the beard by tricking the dwarves in...
lmao yeah its fucking hilarious
also like
the best part is
literally all the problems of the world in WHF
can be traced back to the dark elves
broken zenith
Malekith was the one to ban the chaos cults and exile the Druchii Anointed & Devoted of Slaanesh, that's why Morathi went underground with her Cult of Slaanesh becoming Cult of Pleasure.
plush mason
can be traced back to the dark elves
yes
copper cliff
Yeah dark elves are always the worst
storm jungle
for example if it wasnt for the dark elf sorcerors crashing on nehekhara
nagash would have never learned necromancy
plush mason
lol
copper cliff
Dark Eldar are just as sadistic but lack the resources of delves
broken zenith
But it's also worth noting that the Circlet of Iron also had big effect on Malekith ever since he first found it in the ancient ruins of the Northern Wastes before returning to Ulthuan, which was one of the turning points in his life.
copper cliff
Theyre smaller scale relative to 40k
storm jungle
also yeah Dark Elves just hang out in canada/america
broken zenith
I like both the Witch Elves and Wych Cults
plush mason
Yeah Dark Eldar also got guns
yeah and not literal weeb guns like their craftworld cousins lol
copper cliff
I really like Lokhir tbh
storm jungle
Lokhir is cool because his lore is simple
copper cliff
Hes got no internal conflicts he just likes to pillage
copper cliff
Sigmar grindset
copper cliff
Yes
storm jungle
and his own pimp-barge
copper cliff
True
plush mason
where the black arcs really former cities?
storm jungle
Yeah
copper cliff
Hes the embodiment of, if you love what you do you never work a day in your life
storm jungle
they are more or so rocky portions of continents that dark elves use as arks
they are held together by magic
copper cliff
Magic floating cities
plush mason
so they must be hella big
copper cliff
Yes
copper cliff
Quite massive
copper cliff
Manticorps
plush mason
https://us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/71/3zvp6bbfrnyi.jpg
that game. it borked so much of the lore but at least they got the scale right it seems
dusk patrol
It takes a big ship to carry all that edginess
broken zenith
Lokhir getting his mask from Chupayotl has always been my fav part of his fluff
copper cliff
Lokhir dragon makes me wanna commit game end
storm jungle
Lokhir getting his mask from Chupayotl has always been my fav part of his fluff
also I'd agree but i think this person has me blocked
rip
copper cliff
Imrik has a fun campaign doe
dusk patrol
This is why we play Skaven yes yes
storm jungle
anti-air gun moment
copper cliff
When will rats develop AA guns
broken zenith
wish Clan Moulder DLC had Chimaerat :c
plush mason
Imrik has a fun campaign doe
dragons dragons dragons dragons
dusk patrol
Can’t beat me in melee combat if losing all my Clanrats is what I was trying to do anyways
copper cliff
There's a great mod for chimaerats
broken zenith
yeee, I love that mod
plush mason
There's a great mod for chimaerats
what
copper cliff
Yeah
plush mason
i need a SS of that
copper cliff
They use the hydra model and add a FILTHY rat theme
They also made stormfiends
I love combined arms rats
broken zenith
yup, Chimaerat has been one of my fav unique units from WD 311 Hell Pit variant army list
dusk patrol
I was always surprised Stormfiends never made the cut although I guess it might just be they’re waiting for a Total Warhammer: End Times
Give us Nagash and Sigmar
copper cliff
Stormfiends i think would be too powerful
storm jungle
They will 100% add them at some point
copper cliff
Also warhammer 1 is end times
storm jungle
Stormfiends i think would be too powerful
Skaven are already broken af
dusk patrol
Glottkin dlc plz
copper cliff
Tru :[
broken zenith
ET units were nice
storm jungle
I love my men getting gunned by mortars and machine guns
dusk patrol
Whoever designs for TW moves Skaven
And they’re not subtle about it
Ikit claw yes yes
storm jungle
the rat bias is INSANE
copper cliff
Total war warhammer timeline has total war warhammer 1 as the actual end point lol cause that's the game with archaon end times
plush mason
Also warhammer 1 is end times
nah but its close. CA said they did not want to go to close to the end times
broken zenith
Andy Hall, TW's writer, used to be an avid Skaven player during his tenure in GW from 6E to 8E
dusk patrol
If Skaven didn’t want to get all the best dlcs and designs, they shouldn’t have been the most fun and best faction
Smh
dusk patrol
I give-gift you bones, I get-take nuclear capability, yes-yes
broken zenith
8E 2011 Blood in the Badlands supplement saying how renowned Andy Hall was for his Skaven, so much so that he played the Skaven again during the campaign
so no wonder why Skaven got a lot in TW
copper cliff
I'm personally a grimgor player because of those sweet 100 weapons strength black orcs
broken zenith
Thanquol hypee
copper cliff
Nah he slaps
broken zenith
I like Skarsnik more xD
dusk patrol
He’s fun but compared to other Orks he’s just meh in what his faction can do
broken zenith
but I'm biased due to TT
copper cliff
You just need to rush weapon strength on black orcs technologies and chevrons and field a stack of em
alpine ingot
at this point there should be a Total war game just about the Skaven Empire, with Orks and other factions invading as natural disasters
dusk patrol
Grom da Paunch has so much fun stuff
plush mason
i have seen this time and a gain. did the other primarchs get jealous of Russ after he found the leman russ STC?
storm jungle
Grom da Paunch has so much fun stuff
River Troll harem included
storm jungle
i have seen this time and a gain. did the other primarchs get jealous of Russ af...
Also nah nobody cared
copper cliff
Black orcs ripping through chosen like paper is a sight to behold.
plush mason
Also nah nobody cared
thought so
storm jungle
the finding of the STC by Russ is like a single page
its not really ever visited again
dusk patrol
It’s barely addressed yeah
storm jungle
yee this
broken zenith
Grom da Paunch has so much fun stuff
Rogue Idols are the best part of his DLC for me
dusk patrol
A big thing is
copper cliff
Rogue idols are a treat
broken zenith
I love the Rogue Idols
dusk patrol
The Russ was a late Heresy thing mostly
storm jungle
Yeee
dusk patrol
It didn’t become standard until later on
Also don’t believe that dumbass line from Warhawk
It was a monster
copper cliff
Idk I just love how straightforward grimgor is. He just makes black orcs unkillable wrecking ball units.
dusk patrol
Literally all other lore has it being a major factor in the Imperium winning
plush mason
Also don’t believe that dumbass line from Warhawk
what dumb ass line?
dusk patrol
Idk I just love how straightforward grimgor is. He just makes black orcs unkilla...
I do love that unit
broken zenith
i have seen this time and a gain. did the other primarchs get jealous of Russ af...
IW could field Basilisks back in 3E :c
RIP
copper cliff
Problem is rn grimgor's textures are bugged
alpine ingot
Russ: Hey look I have a tank named after me, that's great!
Primarchs: ...
Rogal: Russ... good... good for you.
storm jungle
what dumb ass line?
I'll get it
A Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader – the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes.
The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly.
And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero.
broken zenith
SW could also field a Leman Russ back in 3E too
dusk patrol
That one
broken zenith
which didn't make it to later editions :c
dusk patrol
It’s annoying because it’s like, in the face of all other lore on the Russ
copper cliff
Lemans Russy 😩
dusk patrol
Especially during the Heresy era
broken zenith
I love it
broken zenith
GW will be revealing the new Lord Solar mini as IG supreme commander next week too
mossy mortar
dusk patrol
Also, fuck whoever put that guy in the outside
plush mason
> A Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awfu...
ngl. that line is what an actual tank builder or crewmember irl would think of the leman russ. so it really doesnt fit with in the 40k universe lol
dusk patrol
They make a great model and put that shit on there
dusk patrol
ngl. that line is what an actual tank builder or crewmember irl would think of t...
Yeah
alpine ingot
is there a comparison to the Dorn to the Russ yet?
broken zenith
leaked rogal dorn datasheet sounds scary too
storm jungle
is there a comparison to the Dorn to the Russ yet?
1 sec
copper cliff
Is the Dorn more defensive focused?
dusk patrol
Next you’re gonna say chainswords don’t make sense
storm jungle
dusk patrol
Is the Dorn more defensive focused?
It’s bigger
storm jungle
mossy mortar
copper cliff
Cause ya know, imperial fists
broken zenith
is there a comparison to the Dorn to the Russ yet?
plush mason
so the dorn is just a giant version of the russ?
copper cliff
Its a more detailed version of the Russ! Factory got more plastic
broken zenith
Rogal Dorn Battle Tank is midway between Leman Russ and Baneblade
alpine ingot
oh. Dorn's a chunky boi of a tank
broken zenith
kinda like good ol FW Malcador
copper cliff
Dorn the tank > dorn the primarch
plush mason
lol
mossy mortar
Also, fuck whoever put that guy in the outside
i think it's a reference tot he pershing tank
copper cliff
At least he has cover
dusk patrol
But I do love the look besides that
copper cliff
Can't be said for every member of the IG
plush mason
its got a bit of the old mk 3 in it still
copper cliff
I hope we get more mixed gender troops with newer models
plush mason
still has the old wrap around tracks
mossy mortar
cerulean wagon
its like a pershing, churchill and IS2 had a baby
broken zenith
I hope we get more mixed gender troops with newer models
new CST kit got mixed gender sprues
mossy mortar
copper cliff
How strong are the cannons on the dorn?
broken zenith
I really like the new IG minis
plush mason
its like a pershing, churchill and IS2 had a baby
yeah and said baby got some regressive genes from its grandpa the MK.3 lol
copper cliff
Since it's twin cannons
broken zenith
except for the new commissar, wish he had a bigger hat
cerulean wagon
yeah and said baby got some regressive genes from its grandpa the MK.3 lol
ye thats from the churchill
mossy mortar
the article says twin battle cannons or the Oppressor cannon
so i guess it's two leman russ cannons
copper cliff
"LOOK AT THAT LEMAN! I GOT TWO OF YOUR GUNS! CRY ABOUT IT, DOG!"
cerulean wagon
yup
broken zenith
oppressor cannon attack profile is basically vanquisher profile but butter
copper cliff
Churchill tank be like
🟩🔫🟩
plush mason
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Mark_III this is honestly there the dorn's tracks seen to come from
broken zenith
I see a bit of Matilda in the new tank too
broken zenith
Malcador of FW was heavily WW1 - inter war inspired
mossy mortar
The funny thing is that modern tanks seem to be reducing the aggressively sloped armor geometries
broken zenith
ye, the chassis is similar
plush mason
I thought it came from the world War 1 tank
yeah both the dorn and the russ use the ww1 mark 3 track and chassis it seems
just shortened
broken zenith
yup
copper cliff
I think using world War 1 inspired design is supposed to inspire a feeling of technological regression. Like world War 1 bayonet rifles that shoot lasers.
broken zenith
it depends on regiment I'd say
plush mason
I think using world War 1 inspired design is supposed to inspire a feeling of te...
ye
broken zenith
Elysians were more mobile, Tauros for example.
copper cliff
Well a bit part of 40k is literally societal and technological regression. Like feudal worlds
Knights are meant to represent how far humanity has come and then subsequently fallen
mossy mortar
i mean it's implied that most of the tanks are actually STC tractors and mining equipment
plush mason
lol
copper cliff
I strapped a 40mm to my tractor, philip!
broken zenith
i mean it's implied that most of the tanks are actually STC tractors and mining ...
yup, like DKoK centaur
copper cliff
Fer the emperor!
plush mason
i mean it's implied that most of the tanks are actually STC tractors and mining ...
honestly doesnt that come from a story where the baneblade is said to be a DAoT scout tank?
broken zenith
but then again, the armoured cars from inter war period were also basically tractors xD
mossy mortar
Dunno they've been dropping hints here and there
And the Land Raider is probably like an exploration vehicle
plush mason
that i can see
dusk patrol
The thing is too, DAoT STCs come from colonies typically
broken zenith
at least there is no stirland in 40k that boils beer
copper cliff
Ugh
broken zenith
grinds teeth
dusk patrol
And stuff like “Leman Russ was a tractor” is because they built them to be multipurpose
Which is why the knights are loaders but they were built to go to war too.
copper cliff
If I ever make a stirland lore video I'm calling it the dark age of mixology
dusk patrol
Everything was versatile
mossy mortar
And also it's designed to workin a variety of gravities, atmospheres, in space, etc
dusk patrol
Yeah
copper cliff
Inb4 lasguns were just barbers tools
mossy mortar
so not very optimized
dusk patrol
Also the whole “Baneblade was a light tank” thing is old and basically bunk lore. Iirc it doesn’t even have a proper source.
And it’s just dumb
mossy mortar
That's always been my assumption for why only marines get the land speeder, but in a lot of the books there's civilian speeder cars everywhere
broken zenith
Malcador
storm jungle
Also the whole “Baneblade was a light tank” thing is old and basically bunk lore...
Yeah its just fan theories basically
broken zenith
Malcador was classified a heavy tank
mossy mortar
there's a bunch of new tanks they made up for horus heresy too
storm jungle
the only true one is the terminator armor being used to repair plasma generators
but iirc its not the armor itself
more just the plating iirc
it was something specific
or that was "re-purposed" and turned into armor
copper cliff
Tbf
mossy mortar
copper cliff
If you showed up in a diving suit in 1637
mossy mortar
Like the kratos, sikarian, fellblade
copper cliff
You'd be pretty scary
dusk patrol
The used the basis of it to allow terminator to survive in extreme conditions
mossy mortar
the only true one is the terminator armor being used to repair plasma generators
And the one where the chainfist is used to cut into space hulks
copper cliff
Yeah like imagine seeing that in the napoleonic wars
broken zenith
copper cliff
Wtf would you think
mossy mortar
broken zenith
plush mason
https://web.archive.org/web/20110924064558/http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer...
its like a ww1 french tank on steroids what the hell
mossy mortar
My favorite is that they made a modern sculpt of the ancient toebreaker Land Raider, their first vehicle from like 40 years ago
broken zenith
its like a ww1 french tank on steroids what the hell
yup, pretty much xD
copper cliff
Steel legion is just French army on steroids
broken zenith
wish GW would port FW resin kits into plastic
mossy mortar
broken zenith
wheres plastic Centaur GW
copper cliff
Cursed
mossy mortar
let's be honest the original looked ridiculous lol
dusk patrol
Steel Legion is more WWII German aesthetic tbh
broken zenith
yup
plush mason
Steel legion is just French army on steroids
they are US ww2 GIs that use german blitzkrieg tactics with french tanks
broken zenith
DKoK is more of WW1 German-French
plush mason
Steel Legion is more WWII German aesthetic tbh
not anymore
copper cliff
German world War 2 uniforms were pretty standard fatigues and helmets
French in world War 1 were big on trench coats
copper cliff
Trench coats
plush mason
German world War 2 uniforms were pretty standard fatigues and helmets
the steel legion use washbowl helmets now
copper cliff
Isn't that an American thing?
plush mason
yes
mossy mortar
looks like an aidan helmet in that pic
dusk patrol
Its always a mix
But their general aesthetic is definitely Blitzkrieg stuff from WWII German armor
broken zenith
yup
copper cliff
Blitzkrieg is a tactic not an aesthetic
broken zenith
DKoK use WW1 tactics, Steel Legion is mechanised infantry
dusk patrol
Like Krieg has a bastardized mix of a bunch of different WWI nations
But primarily they take after the French look
copper cliff
Yeah I was talking aesthetically
dusk patrol
I know
copper cliff
They take more from French than germans
mossy mortar
Fantasy is historical fiction for alternative histories
dusk patrol
I’m saying it’s still German for Steel Legion
mossy mortar
and 40k is space fantasy
dusk patrol
Primarily
broken zenith
plush mason
both steel legion and DKOK have been made to look less german over the years due to all the questionable stuff some of the players did with the models
dusk patrol
They have a mix of stuff
copper cliff
Again tactics aren't an aesthetic
mossy mortar
usually
dusk patrol
Yes and I’m not talking about just tactics
mossy mortar
except for stuff like atillan rough riders
dusk patrol
I’m talking aesthetics
mossy mortar
where the tactic is the aesthetic
dusk patrol
The tactics just play into it more
broken zenith
mossy mortar
copper cliff
Well riding a horse is a presentation and a look.
mossy mortar
i miss these guys
copper cliff
Attacking quickly isn't a look
broken zenith
they are now updated into plastic
with brand new kit
they even get new lances such as taser lance
and melta lance
dusk patrol
It is when they’re clearly aping their look of WWII German troops and have German names
plush mason
broken zenith
ikr
mossy mortar
dusk patrol
Krieg has always looked more like French WWI troops though
plush mason
that is literally just a stalhelm with a crest on top
dusk patrol
The most German thing for them is their names
copper cliff
Krieg basically is ww1 French. Diggy diggy trench
dusk patrol
And the planet name
copper cliff
But steel legion aesthetically are also very French probably because German soldiers had trash drip. But their tactics are very blitzkrieg.
storm jungle
Steel Legion started out german funnily enough
they pretty much got de-germanized with each edition
copper cliff
Which is a good thing imo
mossy mortar
they pretty much got de-germanized with each edition
the curse of the wehraboo
copper cliff
Knowing some weirdos
dusk patrol
Steel Legion tbh still takes after German look a lot it’s just less blatant
plush mason
DKOK genernals still have the prussian eagle helmets lol
storm jungle
literal wehrmacht forest colors or something iirc