40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

Or are defending planets which are the galaxies punching bag

Stuff like the Sabbat Crusade are major events for a reason, most of the Imperium’s history doesn’t have conflicts on that scale going on all the time.

[final spruce]

Id say the Moebian regiments are a good example. Sometimes they are thrown in the Fringe Wars to conquer more worlds, sometimes are called back to their home planets to quell rebellions

[snow mantle]

ANYWAY my phone is at 5% now and I want it to last til I get home. This has been a blast and I'm happy to have lore dumped like this. ❤️ lmao

Take care all 😄

[final spruce]

Wishing you gl

[dusk patrol]

[frank holly]

Fun fact IRL, strugglin colonial empires were prone to lose some territories to reduce the strech and pressure on ressources and administrations

[final spruce]

But yeah hence why people call the lasgun terrible, because sure a single lasgun isnt going to deal with a space marine or a Carnifex, but thatd be asking a guy with a M16 to deal with a modern tank. Most enemies the guard fight at large are secessionists, cultists or chaos guardsmen, so normal humans that can get their limbs blown off by a good las shot

[frank holly]

The Imperium rely and stand mostly on zealous and speculative beliefs that is strong enough to deny the complete collapse of reality against chaos and entropy. There is deep metaphysic sens here.

[dusk patrol]

People really overestimate how often threats like Necrons and Chaos Space Marines show up too

There’s more planets in the Imperium than there is space marines

Even elite guard rarely see Astartes

Chaos or loyalist

Even most Cadians in their history wouldn’t have seen many if any if they lived between Black Crusades

[final spruce]

Unless youre one of the aforementionned elite regiment sent against tough shit or participate in a crusade

[dusk patrol]

And even then, there’s still a good chance you go through a whole major crusade and never see one

It just depends

But yes if you’re a Scion or a Karskin or what not you’re gonna run into them the most if anyone does, since you’re the person whose job it is to counter them barring other elites being around.

So for the vast majority of threats, the Lasgun is a really really good weapon

[normal grove]

everyone shits onthe lasgun, but if i had to pick a gun, I'd love either a lasgun or a las pistol

out of everything in 40k, its the most reliable, accurate, and least likely to kill the user

sure, you aint gonna one shot a Chaos Spess Murine, but uhh, you aint gonna have a fucking chance if you're a normie

go with the low recoil, flesh burning gun that can recharge by a fire

[short thicket]

eh recharging by fire is only a last resort thing as it wrecks the power cell

[celest dome]

Putting it in the fire damage the power cell

But it's fine to do it at a safe distance

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s not sustainable but if you need to it’s an option

Solar is the recommended option

[wise cove]

scale is something that normally gets distorted due to the fact that stories are generally about... well, the main characters.

i really struggle with people on it regarding dungeons and dragons and other TTRPGs where crazy fantastical stuff and individuals exist, because i find that respecting scale is a really important facet to my own immersion

it's not unlike how everyone thinks forgotten realms is high fantasy, yet the written material says that most people in faerun will go their entire lives without seeing magic practiced

for almost all people seeing an astartes is, like, a once-in-a-bloodline occurence

[short thicket]

if your meeting a space marine then theres a good chance your fucked

thats how i see it

[wise cove]

even if you're an unsanctioned psyker the odds of you winding up on a black ship in your lifetime are about as good as a coin toss

probably even better given life expectancy

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s almost never a good sign

Because either you’re fucked because they’re coming for you

Or you’re fucked because they got called in

[crisp heath]

But.. hear me out.. unless, the space marines are the custodes

They are there for a reason to save you

[storm jungle]

Astartes protect the Imperium, not its citizens

[short thicket]

if custodes have showed up then shits very fucked

[wise cove]

astartes often show up to ceremonies and accompany exploratory vessels. it's not uncommon for example for members of the astartes to be present when warrants of trade are bestowed, for example, or for a retinue of them to be present in a rogue trader fleet or on a missionary vessel

[dusk patrol]

Sure, but most of the time they’re going from one conflict zone to the next

Or training

[crisp heath]

Nahhh.. you're pretty much saved. Custodes are brought when an important person in a war is about to die but that person have a great future to contribute in the imperium so Big E send the golden bananas to save your ass

[dusk patrol]

That does not mean you’re gonna survive

They’re not protecting you

They’re protecting one person

[crisp heath]

They are dude

[dusk patrol]

They are not, they might help

[crisp heath]

I mean

[dusk patrol]

But if a Custodes deems a location in need of their assistance, shit is fucked

[storm jungle]

Thats literally like 1-5 custodes among ten thousand

also like

[dusk patrol]

Aquillan Shield are a small group within the brotherhood

[storm jungle]

getting a custodes is like rolling a dice

they all got their own personalities

you might just get an asshole that doesnt care about you

[crisp heath]

The effects of custodes protecting one person uplift the allies that surrounds it

[storm jungle]

Nah

[wise cove]

the thing about the astartes is that they are unconcerned with things like civlian casualties and collateral damage on the whole, and since they're almost wholly autonomous the odds of someone being in charge of them to rein them in aren't high

[storm jungle]

That and not every custodes does this.

[dusk patrol]

Like obviously its nice to get Astartes and Custodes assistance when you need it, but its a lot better to just not be in a warzone which requires it.

[storm jungle]

its like a 1 in a million thing

[crisp heath]

Wtf man.. aren't custodes solo?

[dusk patrol]

No

Some can

It depends

Aquillan shield are a fairly smaller group within the 10,000

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

We don't really know how many there are but its probably no more than 100

Its not consistent either

[storm jungle]

They will be whatever the mission requires them to be

they more or so follow a spec ops template, can go solo or as a team at any time

[dusk patrol]

Custodes take up the mantle during different times of their lives.

They move between shield hosts depending on their calling.

[storm jungle]

new custodes still get made

they are way beyond 100

[dusk patrol]

I mean Aquillan Shield

[crisp heath]

So this meme is irrelevant?

[storm jungle]

Ah

[wise cove]

like, a lot of astartes are borderline supremacist and look at even elite members of the militarum as little more than meat. some of them are almost/as bad/worse than the traitor legions

[storm jungle]

More or so

[dusk patrol]

Its a meme

[storm jungle]

he'd eventually die lol

they arent invincible

[dusk patrol]

Like, they fuck shit up.

But they still die yeah

[crisp heath]

I mean sure..

[storm jungle]

Yeah like a Genestealer cultist literally killed a custodes with a mining laser once

[dusk patrol]

And once again, its much better to not need one

[wise cove]

that's literally a spoof of a set of comic book panels from the darth vader comic book that marvel published

[storm jungle]

and Vader is mary sue as hell

[crisp heath]

But still.. when custodes are in your side.. definitely turns the tide

[storm jungle]

so that makes the example even worse

lmao

[crisp heath]

I know

[dusk patrol]

Sure, but that's not the point we're making

The point is, its better to not need them in the first place.

You're up shit creek without a paddle if Astartes or custodes are deemed necessary.

[wise cove]

that reminds me of how good the darth vader comic is, tho

man

[dusk patrol]

It means likely Chaos Space marines or worse are deployed.

[wise cove]

the one thing disney did right outside of the poe dameron comic

that shit was fire

[dusk patrol]

Or whatever the equivalent would be for the warzone

[storm jungle]

Which is literally the plot of one Dawn of Fire book yeah

[dusk patrol]

Yeah its Mordians getting fucked by an Iron Warrior contingent so Custodes show up to help with other forces.

[wise cove]

i think the only time seeing astartes would be a good thing is if you're a non-imperium world of xenos-enslaved humans and the astartes are coming to liberate you so your world can be brought into compliance

[storm jungle]

and after that

you get to die in factories

[dusk patrol]

And Mordians are damn near the toughest SoBs in the Guard

[storm jungle]

a good alternative

🥂

[short thicket]

thats double edge sword cause they might decide to extermate you as your deemed corrupted by the xeno

[dusk patrol]

It depends

[crisp heath]

Ok so what else is a good sign if something in the imperium shows up for a back up? Titan class? Bane blades? Big fucking ships? Tell me people!! Tell me

[storm jungle]

Literally nothing

they are a fascist oppressive society, you are goofed either way

[celest dome]

It's never a good thing, because it mean the opposing force it bigger

[crisp heath]

Why are you guys bullying the imperium?

[short thicket]

sounds like heresy to me

[storm jungle]

Because they're horrible

[wise cove]

if the world has been marked for compliance then that's not really a call the astartes get to make, and they'd likely be there of their own volition since nobody can really tell the astartes to do anything; they can only request assistance

[storm jungle]

and kinda make it easy to make jokes

lmao

[crisp heath]

What faction you choose then?

[storm jungle]

Nobody

they are all terrible

lmao

[crisp heath]

Bullshit.

[storm jungle]

I pick the one with the coolest drip

[dusk patrol]

I mean its good if you need it, but once again

beating a dead horse

You don't want to need it

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[dusk patrol]

Its not a complex concept

[wise cove]

that's just the nature of war

[storm jungle]

thank you Sundowner

[crisp heath]

Do even the imperium win a war at this point?

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

I would love SWAT to show up if a serial killer was trying to kill me in my house

[short thicket]

all the time

[dusk patrol]

But I would prefer the killer just not be there

[storm jungle]

They lose and win wars daily

[short thicket]

but its just that theres so many

[storm jungle]

same as how they win and lose planets daily

[crisp heath]

So it's a 50/50

[short thicket]

for every war they win another 20 have started

[storm jungle]

the Imperium's biggest enemy is itself

[wise cove]

literally all the time. they also lose wars literally all of the time because the galaxy is incomprehensibly large

[dusk patrol]

Not a 50/50 really

Its just, how it goes

Sometimes they've gone on tears

Other time's they've barely survived

[wise cove]

like, if you want to know how large the Imperium is, download elite:dangerous sometime, do a couple hundred jumps then zoom out all the way on the map to see just how little distance you've travelled

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Imperium is more or so a dying empire by narrative.

Its just not collapsed because they are kept afloat by toy sales.

💵

[crisp heath]

oh yes.. I remember.. I mean even the community already accepted a fact that someday.. the imperium is gonna fall and Big E will get revived

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[dusk patrol]

It won't

[short thicket]

it wont

[storm jungle]

the Emperor himself has said humanity is doomed

[crisp heath]

Yes it will

[short thicket]

sure when the table top game is deemed no longer profitable

[crisp heath]

Once big e died he get reincarnated

[dusk patrol]

If 40k needs an endtimes to shake it up

Then GW is going under

40k is its biggest cash cow by far

[celest dome]

Well on theory

The Emperor might just be destroyed alongside the Golden Throne

[wise cove]

age of sigmar is popping off

[storm jungle]

Kind of

[wise cove]

it's more popular in my local store than 40k

[storm jungle]

AOS is gonna surpass 40k

its almost there

helps that the game is super accessible

[short thicket]

aos is ass

[dusk patrol]

Eh, I'm not so sure. But its doing better than Fantasy was.

Its definitely profitable as hell.

[storm jungle]

40k isnt gonna get end times'd unless it stops making money

[crisp heath]

I mean.. there's already rumored that the tryzan, eldar, and the Tau are going to Allie each other and salvage the remain of the imperium and close the warp that's what I heard when for endgame of 40k

[short thicket]

....

[storm jungle]

There is no rumors

LMAO

They would never ally with each other.

[short thicket]

that sounds like some persons shitty fan fic

[final spruce]

In 2019 the AoS / 40k share when it came to money overall was 43/57

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

[storm jungle]

also Trazyn literally only helped the Imperium because the black crusade was affecting his museum, and that he "wanted to feel like a hero" for the lols.

[crisp heath]

That just what I heard man can't blame me

[short thicket]

no

[dusk patrol]

Well also, he doesn't want Chaos to win

At the end of the day

[storm jungle]

Also this

because that means

[wise cove]

what is most likely going to happen is that GW is going to keep doing "soft" reboots of their game like the indomitus crusade to keep rereleasing miniatures, and the reason that they're going to keep doing that is to keep people without disposable income from accessing their hobby through 3d printing

[storm jungle]

no more museum

[dusk patrol]

There was some benevolence to it sorta

[tight sigil]

What is age of Sigmar? Is it a time period of warhammer fantasy?

[dusk patrol]

Post end times

Reboot of fantasy basically

[short thicket]

fantasy space marines

[dusk patrol]

Warhammer Fantasy went boom and then it became Age of Sigmar

[wise cove]

it's crisis on infinite earths but for warhammer

[short thicket]

you say that but old fantasy is coming back to a degree

[crisp heath]

You guys are really into that grimdark plots

[dusk patrol]

Sure

But its old old fantasy

[short thicket]

all thanks to the total war warhammer games

[dusk patrol]

Before the era we knew

[wise cove]

yo sincerely where did you hear this

[storm jungle]

We aren't, GW is.

[wise cove]

someone has been feeding you some mad bullshit

[dusk patrol]

Now with actually expanded on Cathy and Nippon

[storm jungle]

please

no

I dont want more lore on Clan Toyota

[wise cove]

yeah no

[storm jungle]

💀

[dusk patrol]

Too late, its gonna happen

[storm jungle]

NOOOO

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-dance-warhammer-fantasy-dancing-skaven-ratman-dance-gif-19349860

[wise cove]

GW's orientalism is so bad, man

almost worse than old dnd sourcebooks

[dusk patrol]

They probably are gonna just retcon the fuck out of it though

Cathy was mostly done well

Its kinda interesting

[celest dome]

Was it ?

[dusk patrol]

I don't like it that much but it works

[storm jungle]

Cathay was OKAY'ish

[dusk patrol]

Its not to my personal tastes

[storm jungle]

like as usual it had some racist stuff

but it wasnt too bad

[dusk patrol]

I mean everything in Fantasy is that though

[storm jungle]

nah

[dusk patrol]

For ze ladeee

[storm jungle]

Cathay, Ind and Araby are the worst offenders

[dusk patrol]

They're all absurd transplants of cultures cranked up

[storm jungle]

Dark Elves being american slavers works because its funny and a fine thing to ridicule lmao

[crisp heath]

Yea I guess the true ending for the imperium is another dark age where humanity once again separated without connection and Big e get revived alongside the primarch that are missed place are going to band together to do some fixing while the true enemies are the Tyranids

[storm jungle]

meanwhile pygmies

[wise cove]

the VO work for cathay in tw:wh is actually so racist i'm astounded that it actually made it to a full release

[short thicket]

its part of the setting

[celest dome]

I hate their magic theory
I knew that they would do Eastern Magic/Elementalism but the way they did it is really scuffed compared to the lore

[storm jungle]

The Imperium of Man's eventual fate is to be more or so seperated into warring kingdoms in space

its way too big to be kept in control

AND

[dusk patrol]

I don't love it, but I do think there's some cool ideas in there.

[storm jungle]

this is already happening

[crisp heath]

Yep

Like the league of votann of course

[short thicket]

warlord era but in space

[dusk patrol]

I like the idea of the Dragon Emperor and his children, its kinda neat.

Also beeg statues

[short thicket]

storm dragon best

[dusk patrol]

Cathay aped some of the Dwarves whole deal a bit which was annoying but they did do it in a different way kinda

[wise cove]

it's really already been happening, considering many of the different organizations within the empire work autonomously to pursue their own interests and even occasionally kill the shit out of each other as a treat

[dusk patrol]

Its been like that for 10,000 years

It was like that during the GC

[storm jungle]

Warhammer fantasy writers be like

"What do we know about china"

"Uhhh, walls, jade, dragons"

[tight sigil]

Yikes

[celest dome]

And Chinese Elementalism

[wise cove]

the badab war

[crisp heath]

is rogal dorn truly dead?

[dusk patrol]

I mean doing a realistic take on China would have been pretty boring, they're gonna emphasize the mythological stuff.

[dusk patrol]

We don't know

But no body

So....

No

[short thicket]

no hes hiding in the imperial palace in a centurion suit /s

[dusk patrol]

Shut

[crisp heath]

No bodies found right?

[storm jungle]

The Ba War is good

[dusk patrol]

Just an arm

[crisp heath]

Pretty much that tough engineer is alive

[celest dome]

He was dead in older lore but it was retconned to MIA

[crisp heath]

Sooo the current lore showcase the awakening of lion.. what benefits does the imperium get to him?

[celest dome]

Not much

[short thicket]

another primarch in the field

[crisp heath]

Like Guilliman man right?

[celest dome]

He wasn't really special, apart from being a Primarch

[dusk patrol]

He can take the load off Guilliman

He was

Its just he was written awful

But in lore he was basically the big brother to all primarchs

And was extremely adept at what he did.

[short thicket]

he might kick the dark angels so they stop being shit heads

[dusk patrol]

Its just writers forget to show any of this.

[wise cove]

it's so disappointing to see chinese philosophy get reduced down to a simplistic interpretation of the yinyang in virtually every iteration in the west

[crisp heath]

He might start another strategic conquering or maybe play a vital role in finding his brothers back again

[dusk patrol]

I think he's likely to return but idk if I want him next just because its kinda Guilliman 2.0 in some ways. We already have the "dude wakes up to see Imperium" thing

[dusk patrol]

Ok but this is Fantasy. Nothing is really done with much care.

You have silly Arthurian knights who abuse their peasants and speak in ridiculous accents.

[crisp heath]

Since.. he's that much of brother to them, he might reunite the remaining primarch that includes Magnus

[dusk patrol]

And are half just monty python joke after joke

Almost every single Lizardman leader is a shitty pun

[storm jungle]

Kind of

but like

[dusk patrol]

Tik tox toe is an actual person

[storm jungle]

theres Kroq'gar

then theres

Teenie-weenie

which is just racist

[dusk patrol]

Lord Kroak

[storm jungle]

lmao

[dusk patrol]

He's a fucking giant frog

Named Lord Kroak

[storm jungle]

THAT WORKS.

ITS FUNNY.

[dusk patrol]

Its all silly as fuck

[storm jungle]

The others tho

💀

[dusk patrol]

Like I agreed its hamfisted but that's fantasy.

[wise cove]

i heard a rumor one time that warhammer fantasy started out as a shitty dnd homebrew that one of the original creators came up with and i still think it's the most credible explanation for the origin of... vaguely gestures

all that

[dusk patrol]

Kislev has totally not Rasputin as its main religious dude

And a Tzarina who uses ice powers

And a giant fucking bear as their god

They ride polar bears into battle

Frankly Cathay is subtle compared to some factions

[storm jungle]

I have a slav friends who hates kislev for that lol

literally just dumb stereotypes

[normal grove]

speaking of slavs, i've starting wearing Adidas, drinking vodka, squatting, and eating chicken kiev in support of my people lately.

[wise cove]

my point was that it's one thing when you're spoofing and flanderizing something that's either fictional or something that you have a personal connection to and another to contribute to a literary tradition of other-fetishizing a particular people/culture in a way that contributes to real-world racial stereotypes

[dusk patrol]

I don't think anyone has ever gone to Warhammer Fantasy for any sort of interesting takes on these mythological cultures.

Or at least, tempered ones

[storm jungle]

Yeah but when its blatant, its blatant

[normal grove]

lol, Fantasy is like the opposite of creativity.. ITs like fantasy stereotypes cranked up to 11

[wise cove]

i don't think "it's just tabletop trash" is an acceptable excuse

[storm jungle]

theres a reason GW has destroyed pygmies out of existence

[dusk patrol]

It would be weird if it wasn't like it is, its Fantasy. There isn't a subtle faction.

[storm jungle]

DURTHU IS LITERALLY JUST FASCIST TREEBEARD

[dusk patrol]

I mean it is when its every single faction.

[normal grove]

the only fun things about WH fantasy is how much dwarfs hate those GODDAMNED DENDROPHILE KNIFE EARS

[crisp heath]

I didn't know we have an author in the server, here is the list of book the person wrote.

[celest dome]

What annoy me the most is that they associated things in way that don't work

[crisp heath]

Which one of this you guys have read already?

[dusk patrol]

Fantasy does not have a tempered or non-silly take on any faction it spoofs. Doing Cathay in a more tempered way would have been weirder than how its done.

and anyone who is building their worldview using fucking Warhammer Fantasy is already gonna be fucked in the head.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its not a spoof

minus like bretonnia lmao

[dusk patrol]

They're all absurd takes

The Empire is like, "what if Renaissance but brutal autocracy and steam tanks"

Elves are all super exaggerated versions of their typical deal

[normal grove]

And that is good because it justifies the dwaves' insane hatred of those DAMN LEAF LOVIN BASTARDS

which is always funny

[dusk patrol]

The Vampires are from Sylvania

[crisp heath]

Write your own then

[dusk patrol]

And they all talk exactly how you would think

[dusk patrol]

When did I say this is an issue?

Its the point of fantasy

[crisp heath]

Ohhh

[normal grove]

lol now you get it

[celest dome]

Currently Cathay associate/call the winds of Magic like this:
Aqshy: Fire = Fire
Azyr: Heavens = Stone
Chamon: Metal = Metal
Ghur: Beasts = Wood
Ghyran: Life = Water
Hysh: Light = Light
Shyish: Death = Spirits
Ulgu: Shadows = Darkness

[dusk patrol]

They crank all these different mishmash of different tropes into one.

[normal grove]

and dorfs are just the funniest because they're so fucking angry

THATS GOIN IN THE BOOK OF GRUDGES!!!!!!!!!

[dusk patrol]

And they get upset over the pettiest things

And never forget

until they get character assassinated and forgive the Dark Elf leader at the end of everything

[normal grove]

Said you like a tree? THATS A GRUDGIN!!!!

[dusk patrol]

Grombrindal of all people

Ugh

[storm jungle]

I guess uh

[crisp heath]

My brain is smooth like Michael Jackson sliding

[storm jungle]

he went senile

lmao

[normal grove]

Dark elves are not people nor is anyone who would forgive them

[storm jungle]

"MALEKITH, WE WERE FRIENDS RIGHT ME LAD?"

"Uh, yeah sure."

[crisp heath]

I don't understand why you guys losing hope on the imperium

[storm jungle]

because its the deal

[dusk patrol]

Grombrindal forgiving someone is like Ghaz in 40k deciding to give peace and diplomacy a chance.

[crisp heath]

Like bro aren't they the highlight of the universe

[storm jungle]

the Imperium has been written as a rotten empire since 40k's inception

[celest dome]

Then again, the Elf lore is trash

[storm jungle]

they arent a beacon of hope

[crisp heath]

this is stupid they supposed to win not Lose wtf

[dusk patrol]

No one is supposed to win

[crisp heath]

You guys HAVEN'T EVEN FUCKING READ ANYTHING THAT ARE HINTING OF THEIR DOWN FALL

[celest dome]

They have been the worst thing to happen to humanity

[crisp heath]

You guys are fraud fuck you

[dusk patrol]

My brother in christ, I'm not convinced you've read a single book or codex

[storm jungle]

OOMFIE

[celest dome]

Well that's spicy talk

[crisp heath]

I refuse. They are literally gonna clapped all of the faction and close the warp.

Case closed

[dusk patrol]

Like the vibe I'm getting is at best you've listened to some memelore youtubers

[storm jungle]

Also yeah the seperated human civilisations were doing much better before the Great Crusade

[wise cove]

i think he's either a kid or a troll tbh

[dusk patrol]

I think the first

But regardless I don't wanna bully

[celest dome]

Maybe a time out wouldn't be unwarranted

[dusk patrol]

But like, just understand if you don't know about stuff.

[crisp heath]

I'm just optimistic about the emperium since the emperor gonna get revived once he died

[dusk patrol]

I don't have a huge interest in Tau or Eldar lore so I avoid answering questions on that stuff.

[crisp heath]

And he would clap all of the aliens

[dusk patrol]

I know a few things but not a lot

[dusk patrol]

So the issue is, 1. We don't know

2. If he did die, it would probably cause all of Sol to plunge into a warp storm.

and the Talisman of Seven Hammers would go off

[crisp heath]

SEE NOW WE REACH COMMON GROUND. We don't know if the imperium fall so do I about my dilemmas of them winning

[celest dome]

There is nothing that say for 100% sure that the Emp will be revived

[crisp heath]

Yes it is

Once he died he get reincarnated

[dusk patrol]

Its just a pointless discussion since its not the point of the setting.

[celest dome]

Eternals have died before

[dusk patrol]

Its not gonna happen

[dusk patrol]

Lies

I have never died

[celest dome]

Ah yes, immortal by denials

[wise cove]

the tau are one of the few relatively original things in 40k and yet they've written them as a complete and total non-factor on the narrative

[dusk patrol]

Also its perpetuals

Eternals are Marvel

[wise cove]

the necrons have had more impact and almost all of them are taking a fucking nap

[storm jungle]

No fun allowed.

[storm jungle]

To be fair

Abnett worked for both franchises

so basically the same thing

[dusk patrol]

This is true

[celest dome]

Sorry, never remember their actual name

[dusk patrol]

He's basically responsible for the current GotG that we know

Along with this other dude

[storm jungle]

yep

[crisp heath]

If.. I sleep with a bunch of your mothers.. would it be considered grim dark?

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

Maybe like

[crisp heath]

[storm jungle]

dont make these comments when im in the chat?

[crisp heath]

wultha

[celest dome]

It's like saying heresy in front of the Commissar

[dusk patrol]

[celest dome]

We should rename Warden and Convicts at release
Like Commissars and Cannon Fooders

[dusk patrol]

[crisp heath]

Come on.. I mean would your parents survive a hive world? I personally believe that I'm going to live among the paradise world in 40k

[dusk patrol]

Enjoy this instead

[celest dome]

And CM as Inquisitors or something

[dusk patrol]

Plz no

[crisp heath]

I want some beaches in my feet

[dusk patrol]

This is the only fucking Warhammer server which doesn't do "Inquisitior" or "Commissar" for its mods

Which, I understand why

[wise cove]

Dan Abnett wrote the Annihilation event for Marvel and the concurrent Nova run, which is probably the single best crossover event that Marvel has and every will do in the history of their fucking syndication

[dusk patrol]

But still

[celest dome]

Right, better to keep it special

[wise cove]

Also, he is NOT responsible for the modern Guardians; that's Bendis, who is a fucking hack

[dusk patrol]

He channels all the hair he's lost into his writing.

[celest dome]

Crossover with what ?

[wise cove]

with other marvel comics that were being published at the time. the same way avengers vs. x-men and secret wars are crossover events

[celest dome]

Ah ok, haven't followed any Marvel media in a few years

[wise cove]

this was the 2000s

it was being written roughly parallel with civil war

[celest dome]

Oh, then I think I wasn't aware that Abnett was writing it

[crisp heath]

😌 wtf did I do

[wise cove]

bye

[storm jungle]

Lmao

whoops

[wise cove]

F

[storm jungle]

there we go

[fierce pendant]

Did he just

[storm jungle]

still getting used to it 😔

[fierce pendant]

ah

lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeah i forgot to change his roles lmao

[fierce pendant]

smh power hungry warden

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Wow now he gets to access the solitary channels and we don't?

Smh

[celest dome]

Talk about being promoted

Not a convict anymore

[fierce pendant]

I too would like to become a medicae servitor on the server

[wise cove]

witchfinder trying to fix his fuck-up like a techmarine all up in a dreadnought's guts

[storm jungle]

IM TRYING

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-fix-it-hammer-no-i-cant-can-i-fix-it-gif-16071682

[celest dome]

Don't worry, it's the IoM, nothing can be fixed

[fierce pendant]

really makes Dil seem like a Puritan warden, bad with technology n all

[dusk patrol]

Should change the name to Witchfinder? Hopefully?

[full bane]

Not quite, it started out as a generic mass combat system for use with any fantasy RPG system. The minis at the time were D&D and generic fantasy minis that GW produced.
It didn't really have a setting attached for the first two editions, up until the latter half of 2nd Edition also brought in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, fleshing out the world as a grimy peasant-quest setting.
Each edition past that both made WH Fantasy more distinct from its contemporaries while also flanderising and taking the previous lore to its logical extreme.

[wise cove]

i'm aware of that, i just heard that they transplanted the lore from a dnd campaign, but i guess that could just be bullshit

[full bane]

Early Warhammer Fantasy was really different. Demons were servants of gods on both the law and chaos side and could be summoned by priests of either, Brettonia had a similar tech level to the empire and had a revolution-era france conflict between decadent nobility and the downtrodden commoners. The Fimir were a prominent race, and Sylvania was just another province with nothing notable.

Nah, the setting was built up more with its own roleplay system in mind.

There were definitely some elements drawn from D&D though, I chalk that up to it needing to be a companion to the tabletop game, one which was extensively based on D&D miniatures at the time.

So you ended up with all the same races and a similar law/order divide due to the OG WHFB ruleset being meant to work as a mass combat system for popular RPGs like D&D during that era.

[frank holly]

And the first attempt at video-game GW did for warhammer fantasy ended badly creating Warcraft licence and Blizzard

Ruining the life of millions when World of Warcraft came out 😂

[plush mason]

lol

the story i heard is that GW wouldnt let the newly formed blizzard make a warhammer fantasy RTS like they first wanted to so they invented the warcraft IP afterward

[wise cove]

blizzard approached GW about making the game and turned them down because blizzard wanted full control over the direction of the story/lore/etc

they went on to make warcraft and basically copped warhammer's art style

[plush mason]

lol i see

[wise cove]

they basically did the same thing with starcraft

to the point that certain characters in starcraft look more and more like space marines with every passing release

[plush mason]

hell they are literally called "terrain space marines" iirc

[wise cove]

i remember reading a story somewhere about this very topic where the producer of the original warcraft game was given some warhammer minis by their father like, decades later

and the dad said he should sue GW for ripping off his game LMAO

[plush mason]

LOL

i have to hand it to blizzard. they sure knew how to advertise

to this day millions still think wow was the first mmo ever made

purely due to vast marketing campaign blizzard ran for it

[scenic bolt]

All those old commercials with celebrities gushing over their WoW characters

[plush mason]

ye

hell. even dodge did a ram commercial with wow lol

[prisma lark]

Ultima Online is the only MMORPG that will ever matter

[plush mason]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_massively_multiplayer_online_games#:~:text=The first commercial MMORPG (although,Kelton%20Flinn%20and%20John%20Taylor.

[frank holly]

Me back in the days buying physical copies of PSO and Ragnarok online despite having no internet 😭

[frank wigeon]

Darktide lore question: I did a little reading about the prison ships in 40k. Is our character in a penal legion that offers a pardon, if you survive your tour of duty? Or are we in a "fight til you die" regiment??

[dusk patrol]

It just depends

But sometimes that’s an agreement yes

Other times it’s “fight or die”

[unique berry]

But the thing is u have to survive first lol

[frank wigeon]

I just noticed that our guy/gal works for the inquisition

guess that makes it even more dangerous, but unless the inquisitor is an asshole we might be released once we are no longer needed

[unique berry]

Its more likely hes gonna take us in his service

[frank wigeon]

also explains why we lose the prisoner bomb collar once we level

[unique berry]

As agents

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I assume the idea will be we become acolytes by max trust

Or part of his retinue to some. Degree

[frank wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/inquisition-monty-python-spanish-inquisition-walk-in-gif-17117394

[shadow plover]

I doubt there is a retirement plan for our rejects

service until death

[frank wigeon]

well better as inquisition agent than as random penal legionnaire

[proper helm]

Well if Eisenhorn is any example being in an inquisitor's retinue can be comfy until a plasma gun / daemonhost obliterates you

[placid flax]

and Eisenhorn is a fantastic example

[unique berry]

I dont think our Inquisitor gonna be like Eisenhorn

[broken zenith]

Being the retinue of a Thorian would be comfy

imagine the Inquisitor thinking us the "Divine Vessel"
(unless the Inquisitor in question is Horusian)

[placid flax]

Depends which point in Eisenhorn's career we're talking about. Radical Eisenhorn? Probably not. Puritan Eisenhorn? heck yea

[proper helm]

Does fully commited Radical Eisenhorn even have a retinue?

Ok I'll admit I haven't read the Ravenor books

[broken zenith]

Devlan was an example of Eisenhorn hiring a Desperado

Gav Thorpe's 2001 Inquisitor: The Battle for the Emperor's Soul and BI-FFG Dark Heresy are good examples of the Inquisitorial Henchmen Retinue other than 3E DH and WH dexes.

[celest dome]

List of usual acolyte:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Acolyte

[scenic iris]

Hey, any one have info about Psykers Overheat? Because in lore and in table games, there is random consequences and effects like peril of the warp, but overheat is used only in video games, any info or references?

[storm jungle]

There is no demons when you explode

you just get downed

otherwise it would be an annoying/exploitable toxic mechanic

[scenic iris]

😭

[storm jungle]

[scenic iris]

But, its only thing? Overheat used not only in multiplayer games.

[storm jungle]

Its just overheat

[scenic iris]

So, no references to lore?

[storm jungle]

No.

It would be an annoying mechanic

[worn cargo]

GOD I WISH I HAD THIS ON ATOMITA IT WOULDVE MADE THE COOLDOWN SO MUCH EASIER

[scenic iris]

[storm jungle]

also would more or so accidentally lead to the bullying of psyker players

[scenic iris]

Might be funny if there was minor effects, like blood on the walls, phantoms or whispers.

[worn cargo]

There’s always imagining magnus the red’s shrill screams of warp spine breakage still echoing throughout after leman Russ gave him the bane treatment.

[scenic iris]

Sorry, im not know lore story well, only some things and details.

[worn cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-squarepants-dreams-gif-4172135

[celest dome]

It's most likely Warp Burn, like Sienna is supposed to be Aetheric Shock (The middle one iirc the explaination)

[minor lance]

Ey yo, anyone free to give feedback on the 'necrony-ness' of a voice sample I put together? There's background audio cause I was too lazy to turn my fan off and have mostly been messing with filters. It's for a friend's fun little project.

[celest dome]

Sure, I've got time to kill

[minor lance]

I ended up filtering ou tthe background noise. It sounds a bit "in a garbage can"ish with the added reverb. Might cut that, but here's what I got atm:

It's nothing mega-professional, very much rough and seeing if it's headed in the right direction with the inflection and filters

[celest dome]

Not bad

Though I think while his voice should be mechanical of sort, should also have some more uptone inflextion

[minor lance]

Inflection in how I'm vocalizing, I assume? Like, not the filters. Just to confirm

[celest dome]

Yes

[minor lance]

I can see it. Ty ty, always nice for a second set of ears

^^

[near hedge]

My suggestion is to mess with the gaps between words and sentences a bit, some of the gaps in this video were perfect, some felt a bit too long.

I do enjoy your way of speaking for a necron though so thumbs up from me eitherway

[placid flax]

the effect you've used is good, I think i would aim for a little more resonance if you can do it.

[unique berry]

They will get bullied anyway

[frank holly]

I imagine more Trazyn with a british accent like an preserver of the London Museum lol

[minor lance]

I mean, I'm a brit, so I can definitely turn that on. It's just in earlier version where I tried that it came out a bit... Camp ahaha.

[arctic talon]

Ngl I love trazyns voice in battle fleet gothic armada 2

He sounds so smug

https://youtu.be/XVghX8opHJU

[frank holly]

Yeah when i said british accent i mean of the distinguished kind of inflections from elite society. 🧐

[minor lance]

I can definitely give this a shot, I kinda love Trazyn in this, aye.

[fierce pendant]

The voicework in Battlefleet was overall great imo

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[fierce pendant]

But I guess if there's one thing most 40k games do well it is voicework

[shadow plover]

It's great but honestly the one done by Richard Reed for the Infinite and the Divine is the definitive version for me, it's just so good

[arctic talon]

Fair

[frank holly]

Trazin had to be british.

[minor lance]

@arctic talon @frank holly Something more like this?

[frank holly]

Almost perfect if there was not that very last inflection that sounded gay 😂

[minor lance]

Yeaahhh. My voice is a little sore. Been trying a bunch out today and I heard that was like "Fuck it the rest sounds ok enough" ahaha

[frank holly]

Trazin is a crazy and happy minded character because is own an huge collection like no others.

[minor lance]

Trazyn is my favourite space asshole

[frank holly]

This is canon.

[minor lance]

Skeletor Trazyn is my new favourite thing

fuck it one sec

[copper cliff]

Trayzn is an Orruk but for kleptomania

[minor lance]

@frank holly I fucked up reading but hey it's the thought that counts

Anyway, genuine ty for the feedback to all who gave it <3

[copper cliff]

Idk enough about Trayzn but I'm sure you nailed it

[minor lance]

Ever seen Guardians of the Galaxy?

[copper cliff]

No I know what he's about

[celest dome]

Now it make me think of an Eldar Harlequin

[copper cliff]

Just not intimately

[minor lance]

ahhhh aight

[copper cliff]

Like I wouldn't know how he talks is my point x-x

But yeah ork but for stealing shit is pretty fun, which is why he's my favorite necron

[minor lance]

Honestly, what @arctic talon posted is like... I think the only official VA he's ever been given?

Honestly whoever did that rocked Trazyn haaaard.

[minor lance]

Objectively good taste in xenos

[arctic talon]

There’s also infinite and the divine

[copper cliff]

Why does he sound hot

[arctic talon]

Because he’s a necron overlord

[copper cliff]

He sounds very seductive for a robot

Reminds me of FO4 robots

[plush mason]

Trazyn is just the embodiment of the british museum in 40k. he just goes around stealing neat shit for his giant collection he has on his throne world

[minor lance]

We prefer the term "Sudden unreciprocated procurement for extended lease"

[plush mason]

lol

[frank holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zloWEvRDhgI

With those bit of crazyness inflection it very fit Trazin character in my mind

A bit less comical and cartonish of course (being a gimmick outsider anti-hero we deserve but it is still 40k)

Keeping the British accent, Skeletor sounds british to me (as mentioned if it sounds too much presemptous and eductated that sounds eldar)

A little bit less speedy and nervous on the spelling flow also like more older and wiser (not too much age means nothing to necron at this point)

[minor lance]

Skeletor Trazyn is my new headcanon for him

[frank holly]

It has the personality of a weird funny guy, tricking others and even his own specie for his amusement and curiosities cabinet. His sens of humour is of a very cynical british style. Not like other necrons overlords whose are tormented by spleen and melancholia from their missing flesh and past. Trazin is having fun turning each people's army units from each races into colectible miniatures which is also an habits full of metaphysical sens because he is breaching third wall of is own universe.

"Cawl remained silent, probabilities warping and reforming with fresh data. First an Eldar had set him on this path, now a Necron offered to guide his steps. But if the knowledge preserved the Omnissiah's Imperium ... "Show me."

Sardonic laughter, dry as dust, echoed around the cavern. "I thought you'd never ask."

Ayum this is truly skeletor for real

[minor lance]

Cawl vs Trayn in the Skeletor-off

[storm jungle]

Just to add

https://twitter.com/i/status/1483925837246345217

Dilara_CC (@DilaraCC1)

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Trazyn can absolutely be a seductive mofo

ı got VIDEO EVIDENCE

I added the sax effect though so dont sue me

🎷

[copper cliff]

Trayzn trying to seduce away your precious relics

[minor lance]

Might give this a go tomorrow when my voice is recovered. I actually have a relatively deep voice, and had to raise my pitch a fair bit for that one. I want a nice spread to pick from and go "Yep, that's the one to work with"

[frank holly]

He's the greatest of thieves
Yes, but he is a gentleman
He takes over your valuables
Without threatening you with a weapon
When he robs a woman
He makes her wear flowers
gentleman burglar
Is a great necron overlord and a lovely Sir

[normal grove]

I'd love to see Trayzen versus BLUHD RHAEVANS but they aren't fighting directly, they're trying to steal the same artifacts in the same battlefield

[frank holly]

They respect each other as hobbyist connoisseurs 🧐

[tawdry cloak]

so how in the world is faith an actual weapon

that's something i've yet to wrap my head around. the closest point of reference i can use is orks but i don't think that works well enough

and faith isn't exactly psyker powers either are they

[sterile jetty]

You could argue that the Emperor is a chaos-god and that faith and heavy emotional belief in him being a god fuels his power

[tawdry cloak]

but it's not directly faith in Him that gives power, is it?

[celest dome]

Faith work much like Divine magic in fantasy, its propped upon the power of the Warp, but you use an intermediate to lessen the risks

You could have Faith in a less precise idea and it might still work

[tawdry cloak]

ahhh

so therefore absolute, unwavering faith in the god-emperor of mankind translates to being able to push your body beyond normal human limits

and since it's not psychic powers used by psykers, aka you have that medium to dilute the warp, you're less at risk

right?

[sterile jetty]

Kinda
it is psychic powers since afaik everyone still contributes to the warp, atleast emotionally (minus blanks)

[tawdry cloak]

of course yeah, the warp is in all parts

but the psykers have more direct access and also are more in danger with it

[sterile jetty]

Yep

[tawdry cloak]

thus i would claim that faith is weaker, but still allows for some extraordinary feats

only if you're devoted enough though, cause i'm sure your average astra militarum luvs his emprah, but not to the degree this zealot would

[sterile jetty]

Yeah im fairly sure thats probably correct considering the Emperor's servents/Imperium doesnt do crazy stuff commonly
The only really outrageous faith stuff is St. Celestine and Legion of the damned, which are basically the Imperium Equivalent of Greater Daemons and Daemons respectively

[celest dome]

St. Celestine might be closer to a Deamon princess

[sterile jetty]

I would call the Primarchs that, but you are probably right

[vital spoke]

Fulgrim is a pretty little daemon princess

[sterile jetty]

if only

[royal coral]

I’ve been trying to find more info on these origin options for planets. So I know what kind of guardsmen hail from these worlds. But it seems the only notable world is Cadia. Anyone got some info on these worlds?

[obsidian wing]

those are nearby planets within the atoman sector, based on their descriptions
they are specifically made for the game so itll be very new lore

also potential locations where we might get other missions in new modes

[plush mason]

ye aside from cadia all the origin world options are purely from darktide itself

btw. is it normal for a sector to have 2 shrine worlds?

well a sector that isnt under the ministorim's direct control that is

[celest dome]

I don't think there is any rule saying any sector need to have a fixed number of Shrine world

[royal coral]

And Atoma Prime is also a new world?

It seems like it to me. Darn, I wanted to read up on all that stuff to shorten the wait for the game. Looks like that’s in the game aswell.

[plush mason]

yeah this whole setting is made brand new for the game

[shadow plover]

If you've not already, check the lore video about Darktide that Luetin made in cooperation with Fatshark. It's pretty much the most information we have of Darktide's world so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwLoEhgcyzc

[frank holly]

Faith works for motivational the same the paranoia works for skizophrenics. It will make you in a state of awareness increasing your success chances in the scale of causality fabric. Making you able to recognise the symbolism and coincidences of synchronicity the univers is made of.

[frank holly]

Self substain (or ideologicaly induced) beliefs bend reality to your will (increasing probability of positive outcomes) giving you hope and moral boost to fight harder like mentaly ill person.

[frank holly]

If you think of that, i'm paying more respect to Cadia that Fatshark did:

[barren tapir]

Indeed, adding krieg is a no brain decision, luckly obese megalodon have a brain

[dusk patrol]

Yeah people found files marked “trench armor”

Or icons or whatever

[barren tapir]

We get catachan knifes, which are stated to be obtainable only by the dead body of a catachan, and yet we don't get catachan as homeworld

Krieg skins could be in, but the world might not get in the char creation screen

[broken zenith]

I'd like to see an Elysian

[barren tapir]

I would be curious to see a Noctan

[mossy mortar]

We better at least get red bandanas and tank tops

[nocturne jetty]

@celest dome Sienna 4 probably gonna be Support🤔

[celest dome]

There is nothing saying what she will be

[rotund quiver]

I think i heard that chaos was gonna do a navy push somewhere or in the future is that still technically gonna happen?

[minor lance]

@storm jungle Something like one of these?

[storm jungle]

BRILLIANT

[minor lance]

Damn, getting me embarrassed ahaha. But ty a tonne for the example and the feedback. I actually prefer these 2 (especially the first one) the most. I'll send these demos off as well.

[broken zenith]

You mean the upcoming Arks of Omen campaign of 9E?

Abaddon's looking to control a few Space Hulks with his new mysterious ally for his own nefarious purposes.

[rotund quiver]

That’s it

couldn’t name it for the life of me

[broken zenith]

Yup, the campaign itself looks promising, fingers crossed.

[barren tapir]

He need more stuff to throw at planets clearly

[rotund quiver]

I was super aware of it since I am big on chaos but atleast I know the name of it 🗿

[broken zenith]

DarkMech hypeeee

[rotund quiver]

very hyped for csm to do things 🤩

[minor lance]

CSM do plenty of things! Like failing to take Cadia. Having a tantrum and blowing up Cadia. Causing the Imperium to be more actively focused on you after having a tantrum and blowing up Cadia. And making other factions look good by dying to them, like the Necrons do.

[rotund quiver]

🗿

[minor lance]

[rotund quiver]

🧍‍♂️

[broken zenith]

My fav CSM warband gotta be the Red Corsairs, Huron Blackheart is an interesting character. And the fav Traitor Legion is the Iron Warriors because IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.

[minor lance]

Look, I'm a Necron fan. I know the feeling. I've just accepted it.

[rotund quiver]

Time to be prepared on how much the imperium gonna retaliate

[rotund quiver]

I would say 10th claw but I’m a simple black legion fan 1st

but I am excited once I read the iron warriors omnibus

[storm jungle]

If it makes you feel better

the CSM are literally running entire mini-empires across the dark side of the Rift

Also the blowing up of Cadia was no tantrum

[arctic talon]

Chaos won big

With Cadia

They also won in Warzone charadon

[storm jungle]

the guard was more or so losing and Creed was about to give the evacuation order, it was when Trazyn activated the pillars to close the Eye of Terror that Abby was like

"FUCK I GOTTA CLOSE THOSE"

"YEET"

[arctic talon]

Considering Metallica is crippled forever

[minor lance]

Cadia wasn't reeaaallly a win, iirc.

[storm jungle]

It was

[arctic talon]

And they destroyed a ton of planets

Cadia was a win

[storm jungle]

Cadia Stands the book literally shows it

[minor lance]

He wanted to take Cadia

[arctic talon]

No he didn’t

He wanted to destroy the pylons on it

[storm jungle]

Yep

its why he threw the Fortress at it

[arctic talon]

Blowing up the planet was another way of doing so

[storm jungle]

otherwise the Eye was actively shrinking

[minor lance]

Oh? My bad then

[arctic talon]

Abby d wanted the great rift to open

[rotund quiver]

Great book really showed chaos as this very slow but gradual force of destruction

[storm jungle]

Same here

[worn cargo]

Did the siege of vraks affect Cadia?

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

Nah

[arctic talon]

Too far in the past

[storm jungle]

Vraks was like

literally just a small conflict in its own system

[arctic talon]

Vraks did escalate

Super hard tbf

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah

[worn cargo]

I was just wondering cause they were so close to the eye of terra too

[atomic pelican]

Yeah don't worry abt CSM not doing things. CSM are the main actor of change for the setting, no matter how much guard fans bemoan abaddon for shitting cadia

[storm jungle]

I meant as in like unless you were around Vraks you'd have no idea its happening

[arctic talon]

^

Or were an inquisitor

[storm jungle]

Anyone who hasnt read Cadia Stands more or so learns Abaddon's actions through memes so

[arctic talon]

Or a high ranking ministorum member

Abbadon won hard

[atomic pelican]

Yee

[arctic talon]

He had a lot of guys die but

Who gives a shit

[atomic pelican]

Most ppl still think every black crusade was against cadia

[arctic talon]

Chaos has a foot hold across the entire galaxy now

[atomic pelican]

And didnt have their own goals

[storm jungle]

Yeah they all literally achieved their objectives

Abby was just playing total war

[arctic talon]

Furthermore Abadon might as well be the galaxy’s best cat hereder

[atomic pelican]

Tru

[arctic talon]

He was able to unite chaos together enough

For like 11 different black crusades

[atomic pelican]

The Black Legion books are rlly funny for that purpose

[storm jungle]

After Cadia was destroyed he was more or so every frat party organizser

"Alright everyone go whatever you were doing before."

[atomic pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/sob-arnold-gif-12406885

Abaddon gifting a blackstone to Huron

[arctic talon]

But chaos has gotten a ton of victories recently

[worn cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-hell-yeah-shades-sunglasses-deal-with-it-gif-8665704

[storm jungle]

Chaos basically only loses when its an Imperium plot

which is a lot of

[arctic talon]

Nah they lose to eldar and Necrons as well lol

[storm jungle]

oof

sad

[arctic talon]

Necrons pretty much have an I WIN card against chaos rn

[storm jungle]

but yeah CSM are usually the Stormtroopers of 40k

[arctic talon]

Lol

Pretty much

[minor lance]

I guess this is why I'm used to Chaos losing

[storm jungle]

yeah 💀

[arctic talon]

Chaos has like a 40% win rate in recent books

Lore wise

[atomic pelican]

EVERYONE loses to the imperium when its an imperial plot

[arctic talon]

Now granted they’re in so many fucking war zones

It doesn’t matter

[atomic pelican]

Because everyone is just a jobber antagonist in those books LMAO

[dusk patrol]

The protagonist of a book is the most important superpower to have

[atomic pelican]

Thus why I dont read imperial slop

[dusk patrol]

I mean

There’s plenty of good books

Some suck sure but it varies

[arctic talon]

^

Imperium has plenty of good books

Every faction does

[storm jungle]

haha

yeah

[dusk patrol]

Also if you don’t read Imperium books you have like five good books to read

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

Day of ascension

[atomic pelican]

Good

[arctic talon]

Infinite and the divine

Uh

Twice dead king series

[atomic pelican]

I dont need to waste my time on most of BL anyway 😎

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

Uh huh

[storm jungle]

Necron books are literall that one spongebob meme

where uh, Poseion has an entire mountain of patties aka imperium books

meanwhile spongebob has 1 good burger

aka the xenos factions

[atomic pelican]

Necron books somehow came out being like the best thing in BL'S 40k library

Which is powerful

[dusk patrol]

Tbh most of it is just early books were all Imperium focused

They’ve shift gears hard

[atomic pelican]

P much all the xeno books are quality other than Path of the Eldar and Ynnari trilogy(or duology?)

Then CSM bang

[dusk patrol]

I like Necron books but I don’t think inherently they’re better than the best of the Imperium books

[minor lance]

The necron books are frankly fantastic. They're so human yet so alien. I like.

[dusk patrol]

Most Eldar stuff is pretty bad sadly

Drukhari books are good though

And Valdedor

[atomic pelican]

Gav Thorpe syndrome and yes

Chronic Thorpeism

Terminal

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they’re great

I just think that they don’t surpass stuff like Gaunt’s Ghosts, Eisenhorn, Watchers of the Throne

Vaults of Terra

They’re on par for me

Helsreach

[broken zenith]

The Cicatrix Maledictum is pretty much a victory for Chaos, much of the realspace is lost to the Immaterium now, and that's why the Traitor Legions started killing each other again after the 13th Black Crusade succeeding since they all now have new territories to carve out, and the Imperium has many worlds to recover as per the Indomitus Crusade.

[somber citrus]

sad raven guard moment

[alpine ingot]

The farsight series is another decent series to read. Even if you are not a fan of the Tau they're good.

[broken zenith]

O'Shovah cool, melee Tau best Tau

as far as BL novels go, I liked Storm of Iron

but I prefer sourcebooks overall

[hushed kayak]

there are very few chaos space marine books that are good. So far the night lords trilogy, in my opinion are one of the best.

[broken zenith]

ADB best

[hushed kayak]

whatever he writes, is bound to be good

especially the latest sanguinius book

[atomic pelican]

Talon of Horus and Black Legion bang

We still await the 3rd book

[hushed kayak]

i want a sequel to Shroud of the Night. I’ve been waiting for 5 years

[unique berry]

U been patient this long u can do it a bit longer lol

[mossy mortar]

I mean they were founded when thr losers of the last war went to go hide in a gisnt space butthole

It stands to reason that they're jobbers

[storm jungle]

Not really

a faction getting jobbed around is more author/book bias than anything else

[mossy mortar]

The night lords books tried hard to rehabilitate their image

But they were still p. whiny

[wise cove]

stormtroopers literally shit on anything that wasn't a main character until lucas' brain worms took control during return of the jedi. they're not jobbers, lol

[storm jungle]

This too lmao

so not the best example

[mossy mortar]

The space butthole i am referring to is the eye of terror

And not the literal space butthole from star wars

[wise cove]

like, the entirety of empire is just the rebellion and the good guys getting stepped on

[mossy mortar]

As it should be

That's ehy it's the best star ear

It's too bad the sequels sucked so much

[atomic pelican]

Welcome to Yavin, bucket boys

[mossy mortar]

I think they could have gone some funny ways

[atomic pelican]

6000000 ties destroyed

rebel casualties
-2 x wings

[mossy mortar]

My idea would be to put harrison ford in makeup as fat han solo, slightly disgraced former president of the republic

[atomic pelican]

LMAO

[mossy mortar]

And leia is his bitter wife who is now running for president

[atomic pelican]

That wouldve been incredibly pique

[mossy mortar]

I figure Harrison Ford is sick of the character, but he might enjoy crooked but still sort of charming fat Han

The Jedi got half the galaxy and they've become very insular and isolstionist

Tensions are rising

Leia is getting mad her poll numbrrs aren't where they should be

[wise cove]

so

house of cards

[mossy mortar]

Heh

The Republic and the New Jedi Order are competing for planets

To join their competing governments

The Republic got all the manufacturing base but then it means the senate is controlled by former imperial and indistrial interests

Which has made the corrupt and slow to deal with emerging threats

The shady new jedi sneak around the mew republic and have a mysterious secret agenda

Leia unveils her plans for a new Republic Defense Star

After jedi knights are spotted in thr vicinity before severap unexplained disasters on border worlds

[wise cove]

anyway, getting back to 40k, i think the most appropriate corollary for the stormtroopers in 40k is probably the actual storm troopers, ironically enough. they're supposed to be elite squads of SF/shock troopers that are deployed for critical military engagements and aren't the standard rabble of the imperial army, so either that or idk, a particularly well-trained imperial guard regiment

[mossy mortar]

Leia needs to be seen as tough on Jedi because of her links to the reclusive Grand Master Luke Skywalker

Who it's rumored now has a sworn inner circle of Jedi cultists

In the climax of the first movie, Leia sells out Luke to industrial and trade interests in a deal that is supposed to seal the deal for her campaign

But then loses the election

[earnest snow]

What do you meeeeaaaaan Path of The Eldar is great. It shows a lot of Eldar society, how their culture works in The Path, and what not. I just got done reading that series and it was an enjoyable read. I haven't read the Ynnari books yet.

[unique berry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boss-baby-bored-sleepy-tired-boring-gif-7991240

[earnest snow]

https://c.tenor.com/CtP9EpBdXwoAAAAM/capybara-salutations.gif

[storm jungle]

Its good for world-building but the war stuff sucks

Gav literally cannot get the eldar to win anything lmao

[earnest snow]

I read it for the world building. I've read enough war stuff that its lost its appeal to me. For the most part anyways. I haven't read enough Gav stuff, so I haven't experienced the thorpeism yet

has a line of Eldar books ready to read

[storm jungle]

All 7 of them 💀

but yeah that much is fair

[earnest snow]

I read a lot of 40k, so this is normal for me. I'm ready to sit down and read through all 7 Eldar novels lmao

I need to get around to the Necrons eventually.

[storm jungle]

they got literally 3 novels

so you are fine lmao

[earnest snow]

Three novels to slam my face into

[storm jungle]

YES.

also easier job so

[earnest snow]

Maybe after Path of the Dark Eldar I'll take a break from Eldar stuff. Read Necrons then get back into the Phoenix Lord stuff (Asurman and Jain Zar). I've taken a break from Imperium based novels, so after those two I might do Night Lord or continue Word Bearers. I have a long list to get through x.x

[storm jungle]

Asurmen and Jain Zar's are very neat

Path of the Dark Eldar is just giga-great tho so

🤝

[earnest snow]

Is it great? I'm awaiting my mind to be turned to mush by what the Dark Eldar do. Lets hope I don't become a BDSM fan or some shiz after reading it

[storm jungle]

Nah nothing about that

Its just a super good trilogy that explores Commorragh and the Druks in a morbid and funny fashion

theres shit like an archon ordering his raider to go faster and one of the flying Scourge escorts splats into a building since he cant keep up

random shit like that is so good

[earnest snow]

Oh nice. I enjoy 40k's universe, so I try my best to find books that won't make me snore (Mark of Faith >.> I love my Sisters, but wow that was boring) while learning about it. And learning about the whacky stuff Authors make up

[storm jungle]

THANK YOU

[earnest snow]

Gold lmao

[storm jungle]

Im glad i wasnt alone in finding Mark of Faith boring

I tried but 💀

[earnest snow]

BRUH

HOW CAN THEY MAKE

Sisters boring

They're legit badasses yet

[storm jungle]

LEGIT TAKES TALENT.

[earnest snow]

That novel

I can't

[storm jungle]

I tried with audio-book version too

but reeee

[earnest snow]

THEY CROSS THEY CICATRIX MALADICTUM AND SOMEHOW ITS BORING

REEEE

I...believe they do

been a while

[storm jungle]

Yeah they do

also the geller-field fails for 1 second

[plush mason]

that takes a special kind of bad writing

[storm jungle]

and the ship gets invaded by pacman ghosts

i mean daemons

[earnest snow]

I was hoping for new demons and what not in that moment ngl

Instead we got weird yellow circles with a mouth and a bolter

This author has these characters cross THE defining thing in the current 40k plot, and it was boring as can be. I literally

Screamed into my pillow that night

I hated it

[storm jungle]

Same

[plush mason]

im sorry. what?

ngl this book sounds worse than boring

[earnest snow]

Its an exaggeration but

I think it has worth to it

It is a boring af book

[mossy mortar]

Sounds boring tbh

[copper cliff]

idk man pac man with a bolter sounds wild

He's about to waka waka all over your bones

[earnest snow]

I think the Horus Rising Saga is three books total. Very lovely books. Purifies your mind

[lean harbor]

so I have a dumb question

DarkTide is just set in the universe of 40k right? There are no time-specific settings for DarkTide right?

[dusk patrol]

It’s set around Indomitus

Not super clear when exactly but the characters mention Guilliman I believe

And obviously Cadia popped already

[lean harbor]

oh wow. Guilliman is mentioned? Thought the inquisition would've kept the god-champion psuedo-info locked

[dusk patrol]

Uh no

[lean harbor]

like, "god walks among us," not, "Guilliman walks among us."

[dusk patrol]

He’s the head of the Imperium, he’s a god returned effectively to the people, he’s a huge symbol

Everyone who can possibly have learned knows he’s back

[lean harbor]

kek. my bad lol

[dusk patrol]

Only in Nihilius would they not know and even for them a lot know

He’s basically the avatar of the Emperor to normies, plus they needed good news after the Great Rift formed

So stuff like Guilliman, Primaris, the Unnumbered Sons and Indomitus are common knowledge

[lean harbor]

I keep up with the lore not really reading the books. would've thought that the inquisition would've stiffled the info while the echelairchy (sp. I'm tired) basically turned him into the god-emperor reborn.

you know

[dusk patrol]

The character even talk about the Custodes and Trajann Valoris in the game

[lean harbor]

info manipulation at its finest

LOL

because Imperium

[dusk patrol]

The Inquisition isn’t one entity

[lean harbor]

;awlkejthhasdgf true

[dusk patrol]

They’d always huge splits

When Guilliman returned a bunch of Inquisitors did not like the idea of him or trust him

But just as many or more did

[lean harbor]

aren't Inquisitors basically independent short of whenever there's an Inquisitorial council/gathering or whatever?

[dusk patrol]

They report to an Inquisitor lore for their sector

[lean harbor]

<--- Xenos fanchild here

ah

[dusk patrol]

But there’s a lot of independence still

They have a high lord who holds office but it doesn’t stop them from fighting

[lean harbor]

spppffff

[dusk patrol]

It’s kinda like say, congress or a senate

Everyone is equal technically in power

[lean harbor]

you mean with less control over its individual entities?

LOL

yeah

that

[dusk patrol]

But what people can get done through influence is extremely variable

A new inquisitor who just got his Rosetta can on paper have the same power as a 400 year old veteran

Doesn’t hold up typically in actual effect though

Good is a subjective term

[lean harbor]

is there "good" in the imperium?