40k-lore-chat

[nocturne jetty]

😢

[celest dome]

It's more of:
We want to make sense and include things that are part of the lore
We took a Veteran and a Zealot (Saltz and Kruber) cos it's thematic to the IoM, we took a Psyker (Sienna) cos it's an awesome opportunity and it's able to have unique capacities
And we took Ogryn because it's something new they could do

[nocturne jetty]

(We need a Bardin)

🤔

But no Dwarf

Something Stealthy

Invisible

[rocky dune]

New ork game is fun

[minor lance]

There are plenty squats!

[celest dome]

We don't really need a Bardin

[nocturne jetty]

orgz

[nocturne jetty]

not important too smol

jk

[minor lance]

Honestly, dorf doesn't need to just be space Bardin. Bardian was a very, very open-minded and forward-thinking Dwarf.

We could have the near opposite.

[nocturne jetty]

We need maybe a Halfing

Something with Inqusition

[minor lance]

Felinids.

[celest dome]

Felinids have never been shown in art and such right ?

[minor lance]

They have not.

But I am also mostly joking.

Mostly.

[celest dome]

But I don't think we will get more than 1 or 2 Dlc Archetypes.

So the most important for me would be Tech Adept (For the Mechanicus representation) and SoB reject (Faith magic to denote from the Zealot)

[minor lance]

Genuinely I think that SoB reject woudl fall under Zealot already

There is significant overlap to begin with

In the same way that a Tempestus Scion would be a Veteran

[celest dome]

Sure, but I think it fall more on would it sell or not

Like a Servitor Archetype for me wouldn't be interesting, so I wouldn't buy it, but those two I think have enough fans to make a lot of interest

[dusk knot]

don't think servitors would work

[celest dome]

So do I, but some people are asking for it to spite Tech Adept fans

[dusk knot]

fairs

I can see a tech adept tho

[prime tapir]

I predict

Veteran -> Skitarii
Zealot -> Death Cult Assassin
Psyker -> Can be almost anything

[celest dome]

Skitarii wouldn't really work with Veteran

[prime tapir]

Why not

[dusk knot]

veteran is a guardsman

[celest dome]

Because the voice line wouldn't make sense

[dusk knot]

that's their whole schtick

make a tech adept with either servo skull scouts or small servitor turrets

[prime tapir]

The vermintide 2 careers did not make sense with their personality either.

Slap a voice modulator on the veteran and it’s convincingly skitarii enough.

[celest dome]

I think class wise, the archetype (Exept for Ogryn) should be an origin
Veteran: Imperial Guard
Zealot: Mad men

[celest dome]

Which one ?

Because it would such a cheap way to do it that it would be pitiful

[prime tapir]

Kerillian as a Druchii adjacent career was weird as heck.

As was Kruber as a grail knight

I would like to see Psyker as a Daemonhost and Ogryn as a mutant or Arco flagellant.

But I sincerely doubt that happening.

[celest dome]

Grail Knight has it's own post explaining it.

Druchii/Asur/Wood Elf name are not race, they are culture, and the appearance is mostly due to Godly influence
Shade is influenced by Khaine

[minor lance]

Asrai

[celest dome]

You're new Frizzy but I like you

[minor lance]

I like you too, bud 👈 👈

[prime tapir]

Wood elves are spiritually/magically attuned with Athel Loren. They’re not really ”normal” elves any longer.

You could not do a freaky friday with a WE/DE/HE without absolute disaster.

[minor lance]

But yeah, it is a bit more distinct than that. I think i ntheory any elf could become a different type of elf.

[dusk patrol]

The elf thing really was a huge huge stretch

[minor lance]

But, as I understand with my mediocre elf knowledge, it's not quite so simple.

[celest dome]

There are plenty of Dark/High Elf that just live with the other culture, either spy or simply immigrant

[minor lance]

Since they spiritually attune to the gods themselves, or something to that extent?

Huh. I will be honest, I genuinely don't know enough to argue that fact.

[celest dome]

Yes, the Elf are more closely affected by their gods than human are

Because the Elf god are also more active

[prime tapir]

Anyway Bardin is a dwarven ranger, yet gets representation as a crazed Slayer, an artifice genius and a heavy stormtrooper. This is way out there.

The character with careers that breaks their fictional identity the least is probably Sienna.

Skitarii Veteran aint a bigger stretch than what they’ve done previously.

[dusk patrol]

It’s not impossible, but it’s unlikely as hell. It’s like, bad fanfic tier. Similar issue with Kruber being a grail knight.

The point being like others are saying, the ideas for Darktide are more feasible

[near hedge]

something something tzeentch interference

[dusk patrol]

Especially because it’s not like our dudes are proper characters swapping careers in lore

[celest dome]

I mean, all those class have been explained:

Bardin start as a Ranger, in game 2 due to Tzeentch interference he is either a Ranger Veteran (So Promotion), Ironbreaker (decided that his oath to his family is more important), Slayer (Took the oath for his shame)

[near hedge]

The vet staring at the player forcing them to replace all their limbs with bionics for the 6th time (the player loves playing Vet)

[dusk patrol]

Them being explained doesn’t make some of them less of a big stretch

[celest dome]

We don't know if we can switch Career yet (Inside a single Archetype)

[dusk patrol]

They’re not impossible in the lore of universe

But they’re like, super likely

[near hedge]

I will not be grinding out new classes ahaha

[dusk patrol]

Grail Knight Kruber being the biggest one for the

[prime tapir]

It’s explained sure, it’s not very convincing. It’s pretty clear it’s there to force different gameplay venues rather than seem fictionally plausible.

[storm jungle]

Its really not

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[celest dome]

Still less of stretch than a IG Veteran being a Skitarii

[storm jungle]

all the elves in WHF come from the same bloodline/race

same with kruber

hes a human

its not like his career is a chaos warrior

[dusk knot]

alabama

[near hedge]

Admech archetype with Tech Adept being the first class or something

[storm jungle]

but yeah like

Vet aint gonna be a Skitarii

the admech copium is legit getting insane at this point

[celest dome]

Is Admech copium or anti Admech Copium

[prime tapir]

!remindme 1y

[dusk knot]

yes

[storm jungle]

if I had to guess they might do a DLC Archetype or an entirely new character

[dusk knot]

it's too early to say

[storm jungle]

yep

[near hedge]

Crusader for Zealot would be swaggers for real

[final spruce]

I'm pretty sure Hedge mentioned about more archetypes in the future

[dusk knot]

yeah we just don't know what they could be

[final spruce]

But that stuff wouldn't be until 2024

[dusk knot]

having the full game would help

[near hedge]

Archetypes are guaranteed but probably not gonna be about till at least all archetypes get a class I think

[storm jungle]

prob this yeah

[final spruce]

Nah, a new archetype would most likely come with a class so tis actually playable, but its the wrong chat for that

So bout that 40k lore

[dusk patrol]

Well I don’t think they’ll do that but a Skitarii or Tech Priest Archetype is still very much feasible using the logic FS has used in the past for this stuff

[prime tapir]

When they make new suclasses they’ll want to sell it as easily as possible.

That involves capitalizing on the IP and doing a bit of fan service with familiar characters/models. If anything all the vermintide DLC careers are designed with this in mind.

[dusk patrol]

I think a TP or Adept is by far more likely though

[dusk knot]

40k is actually just any 40k subreddit in the future

[dusk patrol]

Skitarii would be an odd choice imo even though I wouldn’t hate it

[prime tapir]

They’ll be ”out there” for sure, I would not expect a stormtrooper as a subclass. Most players that are not lore invested would not be able to tell the difference in what they’re buying.

[storm jungle]

They kind of are

[final spruce]

No but they'd buy a class that sounds cool with cool weapons and cosmetics though

[storm jungle]

^

Its all about cool factor

you dont need to know lore to get half of them

[dusk patrol]

Tech Priest also just fills a niche which isn’t in the game currently, and it’s cool robit guy

[final spruce]

God knows I've seen so much people here ask for any kind of stormtrooper or a scion

[near hedge]

But doth the cool person have the lore requirements to be allowed to be playable?

[dusk patrol]

The issue with SoB as much as I like it, is it’s so similar to Zealot in how it would probably be done

[final spruce]

Wdym by that ?

[dusk patrol]

Since they’re not gonna give her power armor

I think a Crusader would be good though

For a different class

Within the Archetype

[final spruce]

Crusader would be nice, and a power sword + storm shield combo would be easy to implement aswell

[dusk patrol]

More of a tank role

[prime tapir]

It also breaks the character creation. Since brothers of battle aint a thing.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[near hedge]

mostly making a joke about the debates over admech being a loop of "the admech are seperate they would not give the imperium shit" and "but they are part of the imperium, so an inquisitor can request anything" and back to first

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s really boring

[final spruce]

Ah yeah that, tbh I just ignore it because its a video game and if putting an admech in the game means money, GW will do it

[dusk patrol]

Also just frankly, if you think they the Inquisiton in lore doesn’t have the power to request Ad Mech personnel or rejects, then I would suggest reading more up on what the Inquisition has done

That’s a really small fry thing to do for them

It’s not super common or likely, but it’s 100% within their purview to do if they decide to for whatever reason

[prime tapir]

There’s some popular shooter niches yet to be fulfilled too that are low hanging fruit.

Such as a dedicated sniper, demolitionist, support, combat engineer, scout. Quite a few of these slot nicely into existing 40k tropes.

And some sort of stealth character of course.

[near hedge]

honestly I think #theorycrafting would be suitable now

[dusk patrol]

It’s a dead argument a this point anyways, I feel like I just need to make a word document of what the Inquisition has done and post it everytime this comes up

Just beating a dead horse over and over

[final spruce]

I mean lore wise, Inquisition and Mechanicus have joint operations and it would be perfectly fine that Hadron wishes to help Grendyl by procuring some lower admechs to the cause and maybe some Skitarii she had protecting her or something

Also Atoma prime has special metal anyway so the Admech would be more than willing to help claim that if they can get their hands on it or just keep their factories there running

[dusk knot]

as well as a number of strategically important foundries

also there's tech priests on the mourningstar

[prime tapir]

If anything we’ve learned 40k is not consistent in it’s lore. There’s always just enough bodies to beat the enemy and logistics only exists when a writer wants to invent a problem.

It’s a universe of a billion populated worlds, that means near endless possibilities. Of course the writers can justify admech collaborating with the agents of the throne. It’d be near bizzare if they could not.

Shit, they could have xenos mercenaries in the game and it would not be out of line for a radical inquisitor’s retinue.

[unique berry]

Dont wanna start stuff again but I see Zealot as a Crusader since they both come from the church just saying

[celest dome]

So Crusader would work as a Career for the Zealot

[final spruce]

Exactly since you could consider the Crusader to be a Zealot

[unique berry]

A Crusader is a holy warrior of the Adeptus Ministorum who is recruited for his or her unflagging devotion to the God-Emperor. Most are inducted into the ranks of the Ecclesiarchy from a Schola Progenium, selected for their deep faith in the Imperial Creed and the Emperor.

[final spruce]

After all the Beta class is called a Preacher

[plush mason]

the mobian sector has 2 shrine worlds so there is quite a bit of ecclesiarchy presence there i would assume

[storm jungle]

Yeah people kinda forget Inquisitors are made with an RPG mindset in mind

aka literally almost anyone your IRL party-members want to pick can be written in as a retinue member or agent which is super neat

[celest dome]

Inquisitor and Rogue Trader too

[dusk patrol]

Yeah typically their only limits are the highest of authorities, like the High Lords or Guilliman, Custodes, eachother, and not having enough guns or influence.

[plush mason]

can anyone remember the name of the saint the 2 shrine worlds of the mobian sector where dedicated to?

[unique berry]

One of the best things about the inquisition is that they have Orders that act opposing to each other

[plush mason]

the only 2 i know of like that are ordo orinia and ordo redactus

[woven sandal]

“But my patience isn't limitless... unlike my authority.”

[minor lance]

Also there's the option of ministarum priest. They have that whole 'guarded by the emperor' thing going on. Could be similar to WPoS

[dusk patrol]

Yeah once you get to a certain level of power in the Imperium, everyone is claiming the same source they draw their power from, the throne

And then what matters is who has more guns

[odd palm]

True, you see that time and time again within inquisition focused novels. Where a handful of inquisitors are in different minds

[copper cliff]

Robot Girlyman really be like: "What a grand and intoxicating innocence, I am the protagonist, how can you kill the protagonist?"

[plush mason]

better question. why does 40k even have a protagonist?

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t

Guilliman is just a prominent character

He’s not even in most of the newer novels

He has a series which focuses on him but he’s not the main character

Of the setting

He is for that series obviously

[plush mason]

good

[keen nova]

Hey there's actually art for these guys! Know where I can find their lore?

[celest dome]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Crusader

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crusader

[full bane]

Main sources are the old Witch Hunter and Daemonhunter codices.

And the modern Inquisition codices

[kindred gust]

Crusaders are underutilised tbh

[plush mason]

is it just me or does ork loyalty change at the drop of a hat? like it seems like an ork can go from loving to hating their boss in nanoseconds

[kindred gust]

I mean, if the boss is leading them to lots of krumping, he's a good boss that day

If he takes your dakka the next day, he's a bad boss

Simple as

[full bane]

I mean, they're loyal up until they can look at whoever is in charge and think "I thinkz I can take him"

It's a might makes right system, and sometimes you feel mighty.

[kindred gust]

Depending on the waaagh the boss has to be the krumpiest, mekkiest or weirdest, and being the mekkiest or weirdest often means the krumpiest

[full bane]

Would be odder if an Ork maintained subservience to the boss, given that Ork growth and progression is based on how much they krumped others and how big and in charge they are compared to their fellows.

[kindred gust]

Unless they're a kommando maybe, given that kommandos are the young rebellious orks

And by rebellious I mean rebelling against orkiness by being "disciplined" and sneaky

[full bane]

Yeah, but for the general Nobz?
They get where they are by krumping the next biggest Ork when they have the chance.

The Blood Axez might have more ideas of loyalty and heirachy, given their... unorthodox clan structure, but they're still pretty Orky.

[storm jungle]

Its mostly to do with how primal the wants of orks are really

as long as you kill stuff your war-party will be happy

thats as simple as it gets

[kindred gust]

And don't steal your boyz' loot

[storm jungle]

You can if you got the size

[plush mason]

its just funny to me how they can go from doing nothing but praising their boss to saying they are little more than a grot in like seconds. its like a a yes man suddenly hating their boss

[storm jungle]

at the end of the day they basically work with the same principle as a group of primates

[kindred gust]

Well if you're big enough it wasn't their loot to begin with

[full bane]

Boyz kant complain if they been krumped.

[plush mason]

hell thats literally how the new ork video game starts. the MC starts out talking about how great his warboss is. and less then a minuet later he is trying to kill him cause he stole his hair squig lol

[grizzled vine]

which one?

[plush mason]

Shootas blood and teef

[rocky dune]

Fun game

[plush mason]

i literally forgot it was coming out today so ofc i have no money for it :/

[grizzled vine]

lol htis looks awesome

[plush mason]

ikr

[grizzled vine]

checking humblebundle

[plush mason]

is it a meme that the orks just a projection of football hooligans or is there some truth to that?

[rocky dune]

You walk across the most obvious genestealer primarch statue in the world, and the only way he can tell that it’s not a normal human is by counting the arms

[storm jungle]

Its true yeah

though naturally they kinda dont show that stereotype as much anymore like the 80's

[plush mason]

lmao

[storm jungle]

But its more or so the entire reason the Fantasy/40k orks got british cockney accents

[plush mason]

lmao

[full bane]

It's where their warcries come from.
Waaaaagh and ERE WE GO were common football chants back when 40k was in its early years.

[plush mason]

ok now the ERE WE GO i understand cause HERE WE GO is common in american sports as well

but WAAAAAGH?

wtf does that mean?

[celest dome]

Just general shoutyness

[plush mason]

lmao

[celest dome]

To show proppa spirit

[minor lance]

Oi 'ere they's even stand in a loine. All orderly n stuff. I's tellin' ya som'tin's rong wit dem gitz. Not roight in 'e 'ead they's not.

I mean, that's stormboyz but like

They're close enough

[kindred gust]

Woteva ya say old git, it'z not a fase boss!

[storm jungle]

Reminder

half of the 40k ideas we have today came from some guys sharing ideas in a pub

its not that far fetched

[kindred gust]

I mean, in VERY old lore the golden throne sat atop nottingham lol

And one of the most backward planets in the Imperium was called Birmingham

[storm jungle]

Which still more or so exists

[kindred gust]

The most recent mention of Birmingham I know of is from 5ed

When it was reported they were massacred by Drukhari

[plush mason]

no not that. i was asking why the fuck do british football fans scream WAAGH at games. or well did lol

[kindred gust]

I mean, they don't?

[plush mason]

lmao k

[kindred gust]

Not every part of the orks is football hooligan stuff

Otherwise the fighting that breaks out between football nuts would be a lot bloodier

[storm jungle]

Its probably just one shouting thing among many that they just wanted to utilize

[kindred gust]

And I'm not sure there would still be much population in the UK

[near hedge]

Footie fans are pretty shouty

[storm jungle]

Turkish football fans attack the opposing team's busses when they are leaving the stadium

[celest dome]

Isn't Waaagh simply supposed to be War but with a weird accent?

[kindred gust]

Waaagh is basically just wooping turned up to 11

[storm jungle]

It was later

at first it was just a war cry

now it has the double word/shout meaning

[near hedge]

it's waaagh cause its incomprehensible similar to the many things shouted by footie fans

[plush mason]

lol

[plush mason]

wasnt there a literal riot in london when england lost in the world cup or what ever its called?

[minor lance]

We have a dark history of football losses, frankly.

[kindred gust]

Rugby > Football

[dusk knot]

That’s normal

[plush mason]

no the fuck its not. at least not here in america. if there is violence at sporting events its normally at the stadium or arena the event is at

not literally rioting in the streets lol

[lost bison]

in America it probably wouldn't be a riot, it would be a mass shooting.

[kindred gust]

To be fair the rioting has become less common in favour of smaller scale assholery

[dusk knot]

There’s a reason why they let the winners out first to the train station

[plush mason]

actually sporting event violence is insanely rare in america

also most people in america dont go to said events armed

[kindred gust]

I mean, the worst violence in sports is probably in latin america

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War

[plush mason]

that is likely true. soccer fans are just insane it seems lol

[kindred gust]

To be fair, there were building tensions due to migration crises and the like, but a football riot caused it to spill over

[grizzled vine]

lol fnatical just sent me a coupon for it with 23% off 😄

[chrome dragon]

MFW the football teams are just armed gangs

[plush mason]

is there a full list of imperial saints?

[dusk patrol]

The Wiki has some listed

But its just which ones are referenced.

We only see a handful of proper Living Saints

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

Sabbat, Celestine being the two main ones

[storm jungle]

Yeah the only important ones you gotta know are in the wiki

[dusk patrol]

There's also on in the Kharn book.

Most are just fluff besides

[plush mason]

not the living ones. just all the saints recognized by the imperial cult

[dusk patrol]

Without details even being confirmed.

Nah, there's so many

[storm jungle]

Yeah this.

like

[dusk patrol]

There can be dozens per world.

[storm jungle]

most are literally just randomed in 1 sentence and then thrown away

yeee

since its literally any person worthy of a heroic deed getting immortalized

[plush mason]

so said list would easily dwarf the list of catholic saints lol

[dusk patrol]

I doubt in universe any sort of comprehensive list exists

They can barely figure out living Saints

[plush mason]

yeah lol

[dusk patrol]

Like Macharius was one

There's one which is a guardsman who supposedly kept coming back alive like seven times during a battle

[plush mason]

isnt that the guy that more or less lead the great crusade 2.0?

[dusk patrol]

But they can't confirm details, and different people want him to be recognized

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

It was the biggest crusade since the GC, and it remained that until Indomitus.

Dude had trillions, maybe quadrillions of soldiers and personnel under his control.

Hundreds of thousands of marines.

Alexander the Space

[storm jungle]

Yeah Macharius' crusade was basically a parody of Alexander the Great's- yep that

at the end they couldnt campaign forward because the places they wanted to invade were beyond the light of the astronomican

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

and the High Lords thougth Machy was too ambitious and had him killed

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

naturally this resulted in all his generals fighting amidst themselves over the territor they conquered lol

[dusk patrol]

And then it all fell apart and took 50 years to figure out

[storm jungle]

Yep

[dusk patrol]

He took it all in like, a few years

[storm jungle]

the worst part is Macharius never intended any of that

[plush mason]

so literally just alexander the great in 40k

[storm jungle]

Yeah they dont really hide it, he literally falls to his knees and weeps when he realises he cant go forward

[dusk patrol]

He literally beat the primarchs are taking worlds, someone did the calculations and it was like two worlds per day or some shit.

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[dusk patrol]

Yeah its really blatant

But he also 1v1ed a Greater Daemon so he had some other supernatural shit going on.

He constantly fought on the front.

Anyways, yeah so he's a Living Saint or was

[plush mason]

the only thing he is missing is a lion helmet lol

[plush mason]

nvm

[plush mason]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

The big X-factor was when the enemy saw his insane levels of drip, they got jealous and it threw them off.

Thus allowing him to win the day.

Very real lore.

[plush mason]

subtilty really is not one of GW's strong suits

[dusk patrol]

I don't know what you mean

I mean this guys name is Angron, that's pretty subtle.

And the leader of the Death Guard is named Mortarion, that's super subtle.

[next willow]

ah yes, primarch iron hands of the iron hands legion who has iron hands

[snow mantle]

Don't forget Raven Raven, lord of the Raven Guard, Hot Topic Supreme.

[tired umbra]

Then Sanguinus the leader of the Blood Angels with his angelic wings and blood lust.

40k writers subscribe to the "I know writers who use subtext. They're all cowards!" form of coming up with names.

[tawdry escarp]

Say what you will about Guillaman, but at least his name isn't an obvious reference

[snow mantle]

The silly shit like that is endearing as hell over time. I'm good with it.

[dusk patrol]

I think most of the names work tbh

Or are actually cool

Like Ferrus Manus is a good name

[snow mantle]

And it has spawned 4.5 billion nicknames, all of which I adore.

[tawdry escarp]

Roast Beef Gorillaman

[snow mantle]

Robust Ghilliesuit.

Rowboat Girlyman

Robot Gorillaman. Never change.

He's 40k's response to Benedict Cumberbatch in my eyes and that's okay lmao

[arctic talon]

I like Perturabo’s single nickname

Peter turbo

[snow mantle]

They absolutely do! If you take them at face value the names fit. If ya go poking holes in 40k, you're not gonna have anything left anyway lol

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/583630047189925889/1018500758196453486/unknown.png?width=706&height=583

[dusk patrol]

Could have happened to anyone

[kindred gust]

🤔 An Imperial Navy breacher would make for some neat stuff for the veteran

[dusk patrol]

They're so cool

Zero

Fucks

Given

[mortal lance]

I would pay good money for a breacher skin

[arctic talon]

I love how the guy behind him

[tawdry escarp]

Dude's like, "I would give both eyes for the Emperor!"

[arctic talon]

Is just looking down at him lol

[rose thorn]

hey isnt that the guy who got revived from the dead and made the Maccabian Janissaries

[storm jungle]

Nah

thats another saint

[kindred gust]

The Maccabian's wear the image of Saint Drusus

[rose thorn]

ah

[kindred gust]

That's Saint Macharius

[rose thorn]

oHhHh

damn

[dusk patrol]

Saint Drusussy Baka

[kindred gust]

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

Amogus

[kindred gust]

[keen nova]

D R I P

[keen nova]

wasn't he arguably better than a primarch?

[storm jungle]

More or so

kinda

[kindred gust]

He conquered a thousand worlds in seven years

[storm jungle]

Like Macharius conquered worlds fast but the moment he died they all literally fell to infighting.

[dusk patrol]

He accomplished more, but he arguably had less to deal with.

[storm jungle]

he was a conqueror more than a ruler

[storm jungle]

Also this

[kindred gust]

To be fair he was assassinated

[storm jungle]

his position and time of action was literally perfect

[kindred gust]

It wasn't natural causes or something

[storm jungle]

He was gonna die of natural causes either way

he caught several diseases on the last planet he took over

[kindred gust]

Nurgle diseases aren't very natural

[storm jungle]

Either way

he wasnt a ruler

[kindred gust]

I mean he faced down greater daemons

[storm jungle]

the planets he took over would rebel sooner or later

[keen nova]

Does he have a specific regiment?

[arctic talon]

No

[rocky dune]

I hope he wasn’t made into a perpetual or whatever

[kindred gust]

Well actually kind of

They just have 0 lore

[arctic talon]

He was running a crusade

Wasn’t he?

Oh nvm then

[kindred gust]

His first men with him was his Donian natives

[keen nova]

Wot?

[kindred gust]

But he was rapidly joined by and reinforced by a multitude of regiments

And space marine chapters and whatnot

[kindred gust]

A lord of change in the kasrk system or something like that

He was wounded numerous times during his campaign too

[keen nova]

guessing they are nothing special huh?

[kindred gust]

By said lord of change, by chaos space marines, by an ork waaagh

[kindred gust]

Just the natives of his out of the way world

It became the sacred shrine world of Macharia after his canonisation as a saint

[arctic talon]

Oh that’s fun he had clones made of him

For the afriel strain project

[kindred gust]

Macharius was also responsible for the destruction of Adrantis 5

[keen nova]

Is that where those janisari dudes are?

[kindred gust]

A highly advanced hyper-technical planet that he couldn't conquer by normal means

So they redirected a comet into it

[kindred gust]

No they're from Maccabia in Calixis, and follow the teachings of Saint Drusus

Macharius' quotes on the matter of Adrantis V were that they had "turned to the dark certainties of science, and created many new and wondrous machines"

And after hurling a comet at it

"Of its secrets, nothing now remains"

[arctic talon]

The admech were prolly pissed lol

[kindred gust]

One could regard Adrantis as being Macharius' Cophen campaign

[kindred gust]

Or pleased, after all deviation from the sacred STC is heretek talk

[storm jungle]

Yeah Macharius was a good leader but overall also kinda mental

he was ranting about carrying the crusade beyond the Milky Way when his men were dead tired

also on the brink of mutiny

mfer didnt know when to quit

High Lords were like:

[kindred gust]

I mean, they did actually very slightly exceed the Astronomican, in Ultima Macharia

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/stab-in-the-back-yeti-yetiapocalypse-kill-murder-gif-20607054

[storm jungle]

Yeah but theres that then entirely going off to the deep space

he doesnt really have an excuse

he just wanted to conquer

[kindred gust]

I mean

Fair nuff

My dude did survive a bolt to the chest

[languid edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1032800480025378908/unknown.png

who are these guys?

not the kroot

[arctic talon]

Naval Breachers

[languid edge]

oh okay

[arctic talon]

Wear carapace armor that’s heavily armored facing the front

And less armored on the back

[languid edge]

thank you for the info

[mossy mortar]

macharius is literally just alexander teh great in space

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much.

[mossy mortar]

it's just a bad translation

[mossy mortar]

it's implied that most of the original names were forgotten or changed millenia ago

Just like there's people who think it's first name Jesus, last name Christ

and that's only after 2000 years

[storm jungle]

Its basically just names that stuck

like you literally cannot explain Angron in a meaningful way as a name

[mossy mortar]

after the first war for armageddon inquisition purged his real name in case it caused psychic resonance that might summon him again

searching for his real name automatically triggers an alarm and an inquisition kill team is dispatched

instead he's called "Angron' which means "the angry one" in archaic high gothic

[tight crater]

love the arrow in the eye

[rocky dune]

Why does he get called angron in 30k then

[dusk patrol]

It’s a gladiator name

[mossy mortar]

the 30k books were written in early M35 and were of course comprehnsively redacted by the inquisition

[dusk patrol]

It makes more sense with that in context tbh

[mossy mortar]

In reality many of the events in the book are actually allegorical allusions to the major civil war fought 140 years prior to the writing of the first book

The Centaurian schism, which has in later years passed in to obscurity

[rocky dune]

Yeah, ok

[mossy mortar]

It's considered an oblique critciism, which was unfortunately not oblique enough to save most of the authors from execution after their publication

[round bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0yKiWvX7gM

[arctic talon]

Just realized the Forges on Atoma are run by the Forge World Garia

The banners present have the same symbol as Garia

[vast frigate]

🙏

[outer apex]

backstabbed

[plush mason]

so who is in charge of maintaining order and discipline among the crew of imperial ships?

do the ships have commissars attached to them like the IG regiments do?

[unique berry]

They got ship security/voidmen acting in this role i guess with the officers taking charge at least it would be my shot at it

[unique berry]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Naval_Security

The best i could find

And then they also got navy security troopers an elite unit and also the voidsmen

[mossy mortar]

They have officers and petty officers. I think a few books mention they don't need many commissars

Also there seems to be a difference between ratings and a separate class of like galley slaves that just pull on ropes all day

Imperial Navy is basically Napoleonic Royal Navy in space, except they can't call their marines marines

So different authors have different names for those guys

And they're not as strong a presence as actual royal marines

[plush mason]

i see

[mossy mortar]

I think the navy is underused in fiction

But then I always loved hornblower and aubrey maturin

It also suffers from scale issues

Where authors keep adding zeroes to the crew numbers until it gets absurd

[scenic bolt]

it had more lore when battlefleet gothic wasnt an ex-game

[ebon grove]

Does anyone know of some good lore content that focuses on Darktides era?
Preferably something on Youtube, but books would also be ok.

[unique berry]

https://youtu.be/VwLoEhgcyzc

Its the best video for it I heard

[celest dome]

Anything about the Idomitus Crusade, or Cadia as it happen quite soon after that

[atomic atlas]

Literally listening to Luetin right now. Brushing up on the inquisition in prep for Darktide

[unique berry]

[burnt crest]

For somebody who doesn't like the general aesthetics of say a space marine, what would be the best jumping point to learn more about the world? I dislike civil war stories... generally like more fantastical stuffs. I liked Slaanesh in Fantasy; is there anything cool with him... err, it, in 40k, like Factions

[odd palm]

Do you consider imperial citizens turned to chaos or the xenos, civil war?

[burnt crest]

I... actually dunno? I know very little about 40k. I really only know names that are shared between Fantasy/World-That-Was and 40k lol

And something about Orcs being grown like a fungus or something lolo

[unique berry]

Maybe you should start with some basic Lore Vids on YT is a simple and easy way in the universe

[odd palm]

Granted I haven't read many chaos god focused books. But as Space Marines are the poster boys of the setting, disproportionate to their effect and the Emperor's Children are a Chaos Gods preferred play thing.
I'd say it's gonna be a little tough to find a Slaanesh book that doesn't focus or have a decent EC space marine pull

But as the warsmith suggested, there are plenty of loretubers which make it infinitely easier to dip your toe in the setting and find what you like

Luetin, Baldermort, Occulus Imperia, 40k Theories and Tacticus Imperialis all come to mind. Though Baldermort and Occulus do have significant Space Marine focuses

[unique berry]

Baldemort is legendary

[odd palm]

My main criticism is his minute long intros

[unique berry]

I like them his voice is just perfecr for lore vids

[odd palm]

True

Kinda waiting for him to do a Perturabo series, as he did for Rogal

[unique berry]

Same

[odd palm]

Also, Storm of Iron finally got an audio book.
Like the best Siege book in 40k and it only took....

20 years

[unique berry]

Good things take time

[odd palm]

True, might be that same time period until a new IW character tho :/ for table top

[shadow plover]

Yeah, Titanicus also got it's audiobook this year

They've gone back to some of the older books and gave them audio versions lately which is nice

[odd palm]

Indeed

But waiting this long for SoI seems somewhat criminal

[unique berry]

I just hope they give the older lore attention

[odd palm]

Any particular parts?

[unique berry]

HH stuff and general the stuff that isnt clear after all those years

[odd palm]

Tbh I'm kinda dreading an Iron Cage book

If they do write one

[unique berry]

Same IW need some love as do many other factions lol

[odd palm]

True

[barren tapir]

Doesn't look the same, but this would explain why we have the graia pattern autogun instead of something more recognizable like a mars pattern

[minor lance]

Necrons.

[copper cliff]

Shoo! Outta here varmint! The green boys can take another nap!

[minor lance]

In fairness, necrons are the opposite of fantasy, in a sense. But that makes them all the more fantastical in a fantasy world.

[copper cliff]

Space mummies

[minor lance]

EXTERMINATION PROTOCOLS... DEACTIVATED. ENGAGING ROUTINE: 'NAPPY TIME'

Look, undead space robot egyptians are just

Kinda awesome

I wanted Tomb Kings in space

[copper cliff]

I just wish they were more aesthetically diverse

[minor lance]

I got Tomb Kings in space

[copper cliff]

Tomb Kings at least have more color diversity, necrons are all just skeleton shaped robots with various quantities of limbs

[minor lance]

Necrons have massive colour diversity

That's actually what differentiates the dyansties the most

Well, visually, at least

[copper cliff]

I'm saying on TT you would paint them all the same color essentially

[minor lance]

OH

[copper cliff]

Green and choice of metal

[minor lance]

Yeah, no, that's fair

[copper cliff]

Its pretty efficient for your wallet doe

Lorewise I do love necrons

Trayzn is my favorite boi

[minor lance]

Most recent fluff has given a lot more ideas for that. IIRC Nephrekh, for example, is red and gold

[copper cliff]

I think necrons and tyranids have a similar issue aesthetic wise

[minor lance]

ah, no sorry

[severe glacier]

Trazyn is the best Pokémon master

[copper cliff]

But this is one of the better ones ive seen

[minor lance]

Nephrekh are turquoise and gold.

Which is honeestly really nice, tbh

[copper cliff]

Yeah, its nice to see color diversity become more of an option

I really like space marine chapters with contrasting color schemes

Blood ravens

[rocky dune]

I like the crimson fists

[minor lance]

https://i.imgur.com/BXCu8lV.jpg

oohhh here's a nice one

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/aa/21/d4/aa21d47c3952e9a9ae539c71a00a51dd.jpg

[copper cliff]

I think also the necron leadership could go for more differentiated appearances besides cloaks

Like with Tomb Kings you'd never see Settra as just a skeleton with a cloak

[minor lance]

That's totally fair.

Honestly, I agree.

[copper cliff]

I really love the one model of the big dude with many eyes

[minor lance]

I know who you mean but I forgot the name

[copper cliff]

I love this color scheme

Even though its pretty homogenous

[minor lance]

The scheme is.. Ok, imo. But the way it's painted is actually fantastic

And a REALLY nice choice of colours

Very... Ectoplasm-y

They're like ghosts

[copper cliff]

goobots

[minor lance]

Never again

Utter those words

Ahahaha

[copper cliff]

I guess I just want more of shit like this

Than this

But in general I think older 40k models have an issue with homogeneity between models. Like IG are literally just beige on green the faction

[minor lance]

Honestly, with the necron lore we've been getting

I think we're gonna start seeing necrons be more... 'human' in a sense. The higher echelons especially

I think we'll start seeing a lot more cloaks, regal gowns, robes, etc

[kindred gust]

I mean we already have to some degree, not sure I can picture them wearing fabrics though

[copper cliff]

I'd love to see more face types for necrons.

[kindred gust]

But there's that necron lord that still thinks he's a necrontyr

There's a dynasty that after waking up loathed themselves for going through the transferance, and so now want to exterminate all life so it never happens to anyone else (Weird logic)

[minor lance]

They would 100% weird fabrics

They want to be what they once were, and a number of dynasties are a little obsessed with it

[copper cliff]

This was the multi-eye thing I was thinking of. Looks really cool and intimidating instead of just resting bitch face robo skelly

[minor lance]

I can 100% see plenty of dynasties vassalizing imperial worlds to produce fineries for them

[minor lance]

Yessss. Those. They're so sick.

[kindred gust]

I mean with the basic warriros that's kind of the point

[minor lance]

God, Necrons are so cool.

I love my space assholes

[kindred gust]

Being that they were the underclasses, children, etc.

[copper cliff]

Yeah basic warriors can be more generic but I think for like lords and important figures, they should have more distinct faces

[kindred gust]

So they were just dumped into shite suits

[copper cliff]

Chronomancers and flayed ones also look really cool

And scary

And not just grumpy

[kindred gust]

I don't really like the chronomancer and astromancer lore

[copper cliff]

I just like the designs

[kindred gust]

Fair enough

They do look cool

[copper cliff]

Necrons remind me of the bad guys from the second Bionicle movie

[minor lance]

Bionicle was sick so I am fine with this

[copper cliff]

Wait no it was the third bionicle movie

His wiki reads, ahem.

[minor lance]

Truly informative

[tawdry escarp]

Hexmark Destroyers are pretty cool. One of the characters in Tacticus is one

[nocturne jetty]

Psyker=Fun

[dusk patrol]

I would argue being born a Psyker is almost always the opposite

[unborn gust]

Literally always mentally connected with hell

[copper cliff]

What's that? My daily fax from hell? I hope this one doesn't cause my brain to explode!

[dusk patrol]

And the voices are not supportive

[mossy mortar]

you can paint necrons other colors too

white can look good

[unique berry]

I mean there is a small chace that u get taken by the Grey Knights

[dusk patrol]

And a good chance if you do, you die

And then if you survive, you spend the rest of your life fighting the greatest horrors of the universe and likely die horrifically

[unique berry]

Meh

[unique berry]

But u get nice gear tho

[dusk patrol]

If we’re choosing to thread the needle and be that special

I choose Custodes

[unique berry]

Same

[celest dome]

I remember someone doing Sandstone Necron, they were quite good

[storm jungle]

You literally

get to do whatever tf you want

its a great job

EVEN DO CARPETS

OR YOGA

[dusk patrol]

If we’re actually picking whatever whatever we want, I choose Rogue Trader if we’re pretending to be cool

And a noble on some pleasure world if we’re being honest

[celest dome]

Being a Psyker doesn't suck that much if you're born on a planet that has a culture of it that is other than considering them as ticking time bombs

[mossy mortar]

not a lot of people dying peacefully in their sleep in the imperium...

[mossy mortar]

it's not too bad in that they either ship you off to wizard school or else you get killed pretty quickly

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but there’s worse fates than death

And Grey Knights are good at finding them

[mossy mortar]

I assume the scholastia psykana is basically grimdark hogwarts

where if your grades are bad they kill you

[dusk patrol]

There’s one Abbadon has tied up, his eyes and eyes are gone, limbs cut off, he’s just a nugget. And he has two pariah Xenos grafted to his body.

And he just tortures him

[mossy mortar]

sounds... dumb

[dusk patrol]

Not a fun time

[unique berry]

A Job in the Navy sounds intersting maybe Voidmen and drinking the fluid from the ship lol

[celest dome]

Taking Fenrika for example, they don't send Psyker able kids of planet due to needing Rune Smith/Pirest

[mossy mortar]

it depends on if navy ships have women and families onboard

[dusk patrol]

Idk, void folk are weird

[unique berry]

I mean its there job to find them

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Also, one thing that’s not brought up

You never get to live

There’s a few different marine books where they briefly lament never getting to enjoy what they fight for. Uriel has this moment of brief envy for a wounded guardsman when he sees a pict of his family next to his hospital bed.

Not all feel that way

But several are aware of it

[storm jungle]

Any form of R&R is always welcome really

Blood Angels usually have it better than most

[dusk patrol]

Unless you’re a space wolf

Then you get to have a blast

[storm jungle]

I genuinely love how one book describes them drinking in their hall and tiny male/female serfs serving them like inn servants

its super funny

[unique berry]

The good life

[dusk patrol]

There’s a funny bit with Lukas trying to sneak into somewhere and the women who run the Fang kick him out because Astartes aren’t allowed in there

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

The Fang is more or so a viking frat house

literally all the companies have their own "spots" and zones

[unique berry]

Only on Fenris

Thats neat

[dusk patrol]

Here’s a sad Dreadnought excerpt to counteract the jolliness though

[tawdry cloak]

something i don't think i've looked into but

have "human" naming conventions changed?

in 40k

[dusk patrol]

Like wdym

[tawdry cloak]

like compared to names we use nowadays

[dusk patrol]

Different worlds name people differently

Some have an obvious like, German influence

Or more English or whatever

Some are space Japan

But typically they just sci-fi up the names

[celest dome]

Depend on the planet

[tawdry cloak]

this seems like an ic way of saying "anything works"

since there are... so many planets

right?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Call your character whatever the heck you want

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[tawdry cloak]

im not calling them something stupid tho like "scrungles mcbooty"

[dusk patrol]

You could though

[celest dome]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

40k is built for homebrew

[tawdry cloak]

if im gonna be able to create a character with decent personality im giving it a decent name

simple as

[dusk patrol]

Ok

There’s a lot of useful name generators if you want ideas

Depends on where they’re from

[tawdry cloak]

i have my 9e phb and i think that had a map? unsure

otherwise i'll have to look

[unique berry]

Which Legion and which Chaper could be with the germanic/german names I wonder I wonder

[dusk patrol]

Imperial Fists tend to have some of that

It’s a mix though for them

[tawdry cloak]

day by day i am ever reminded to finish eisenhorn

[dusk patrol]

So Templars take after that

[unique berry]

And the Black Templar obviously

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[valid lotus]

Is Saul Goodman a good ogryn name

[burnt crest]

Are there any eschatological threats or events in 40k?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

everywhere

[storm jungle]

I recommend Saul Goodgryn

[valid lotus]

Perfect

[rose thorn]

Has LoV had any interactions with GSCs?

[dusk patrol]

Lore on them is sparse, they’ve encountered Genestealers on hulks

[vital spoke]

I’m waiting for a Leagues of Votann novel

I need more space dwarfs in my life

[wise cove]

they're called squats. there's no need to give them ridiculous fantasy names. they're SQUATS

[wise cove]

uh, the entire game universe can be summed up as an eschatological threat

[snow mantle]

The entirety of the Warp - that resonates with our souls, and houses uncountable alien minds that see that sapient soul-spark of Man and others as either a chew toy, nutrition, or both.

The fact that the Warp is timeless, immaterial, and the only road that keeps the Imperium together.

The Imperium needs to hurl itself through Hell every time someone needs a shipment of cloth for pants, let alone go to war.

Hoping against hope that today's not the day someone's soul is inverted and invites demons inside to repeat the process on everyone else in the brief moment the defenses flicker and the lights dim.

Or that the navigator doesn't get lost in the tides of non-reality and keep everyone stuck in untime until they starve to death in the 12 seconds it's been since they left, outside in reality.

And that's simply routine travel.

....shits fucked man. Your soul and ultimate fate are....not looking pretty in 40k-land.

[wise cove]

the fact that the astropath opens himselves to daemonic possession every single time he facilitates the superliminal communication that binds the imperium's worlds together

[burnt crest]

Oh, huh... I guess I meant Eschatological as in Eschaton, like Ragnarok, Armageddon (or, apocalypse), Earthquake of the 5th Sun, etc. The direct definition of Eschatology is awkward

[wise cove]

uh, the entire game universe can be summed up as an eschatological threat

the answer is still the same

[snow mantle]

In that case - just about every war in every front. It's definitely somebody's ragnarok

[high hazel]

The tyranids devour galaxies for lunch. If the Necrons ever fully awaken they will extinguish all life in the universe. The gods of chaos want to turn reality inside out and make it a literal living hell

[wise cove]

the imperium is in a continual process of destroying, or having their own planets destroyed on a galactic scale, and there are multiple, literal end-of-the-galaxy threats looming in virtually every corner of the galaxy

[burnt crest]

If the emperor were to lose the fight against the other major chaos powers, would it be a GG scenario for more of the universe?

[wise cove]

the orks, the tyranid hive fleet(s), the necrons, the chaos gods, the [REDACTED]

[burnt crest]

Actually, is the Emperor a chaos power?

[wise cove]

to even ask such a question is a grave heresy

[burnt crest]

lol

[wise cove]

more or less

[high hazel]

The empire is a failed state of humanity generally less pleasant than extinction

[burnt crest]

There were some Chaos gods of light in fantasy that aren't a thing anymore, but one of the ideas is that if it were to win, it'd be a complete, still, perfect reflection of the chaos gods visage, where no change can occur... feels like that could be a thing if the Emperor were to win lol

Though, the Emperor can't technically win right?

[snow mantle]

The Emperor is gaining power since the galaxy split, but..honestly, Chaos won as soon as the Heresy began.

The Imperium tanking hits for 10000 years is just them keeping the buffet fresh for daemons

[burnt crest]

There were insinuations that the major 4 chaos powers could be parts of a greater chaos god in fantasy/AoS. Is that a thing in 40k as well?

[high hazel]

The emp's big plan was to cut humanity off from the warp and establish a secular utopia. Unfortunately he failed and pretty much exists as a piece of infrastructure for a hellish theocracy that exists on the back of literal daily mass ritualistic human sacrifice

[burnt crest]

LOL

[wise cove]

the irony of blanks being thought of as soulless abominations when the emperor's entire plan was to functionally make everyone a blank is really funny

[snow mantle]

Ehh, more like he wanted them to mature as a species away from chaos influence, so that they wouldn't be an easy snack for Chaos intrusions as psykers.

He wanted training wheels away from the warp, and uh. It...it didn't work. Magnus sends Christmas cards.

[high hazel]

Yeah his supposed backup plan is to just hold out until humanity evolves enough to ascend but humanity is pretty much constantly getting worse

[burnt crest]

Man, I'm a megalomaniac but every description of factions or people seem to say similarly, that they are like, absolute might in combat or capability lol. I'm seeing a lot of Gulliman in regards to peak power in 40k, excluding chaos powers... could Gulliman square off against the strongest slaaneshi daemon? (dunno who is stronger between N'Kari and Zarakynel)

[snow mantle]

Oh, and Marrick - remember this key phrase for 40k. "Everything is canon, not everything is true." Legit every bit of lore is rationalized as propaganda by the side that looks best in it.

Contradictions, backing up, and outright weirdness is a staple.

[burnt crest]

LOL I see that from what I'm researching right now lolo

I saw a lot of that in fantasy too

[wise cove]

the coolest parts of the lore (imo) happen to be things that aren't often written about, sadly

lots of space marines

not a lot of stuff about, say, the missionarus galaxia and how they prepare worlds for imperial compliance

[snow mantle]

Guilliman on his own is a Primarch. He can handle most baddies in a 1v1. Less so his daemon-brothers, because they're Primarchs that marinated in chaos juice. HOWEVER, in the modern ages he's carrying the emperors sword now.

[high hazel]

There's so much space marines. Space marines are to wh40k what wolverine is to the xmen

[snow mantle]

The sword is important because even if Guilliman isn't a pure combat powerhouse like say, Angron or the Lion are/were (dudes superpower is Administration for God's sake), it's a relic that can permakill the unkillable.

[burnt crest]

Guessing that a Primarch is like, top of the bunch. Are there primarchs of the chaos divisions, like the 4 chaos powers and undivided? I'm seeing Abaddon a lot, but people are saying he is poorly written

[wise cove]

primarchs are gene-sons of the emperor

[burnt crest]

Also seeing people saying the 4 chaos powers ignore Gork and Mork lol

[snow mantle]

The primarchs were the emperor's project for "sons." Read: super-generals to retake the galaxy

[burnt crest]

Ohhhhh okay

[wise cove]

each of them inherited one of the emperor's "unique" traits, though some of them inherited them in less obvious ways

ex: vulkan is a perpetual, and angron... gets angry

[snow mantle]

They are as ridiculous to their Marines as Marines are to you and me. They're basically Power given a skin-suit.

Dorn could calm the Warp around him. The Lion could perma-kill daemons like the Emperor. Vulcan cannot die. (He had it tested pretty hard against his will). Sanguinius laughs in the face of physics and flies.

Angron, before he was broken, was a super-empath. He took others pain into himself. Now he's a demigod of blood and rage.

On top of that, they all had common abilities. Basically a psychic Whammy they could turn up or down if they felt like it.

If a primarch wants attention, he's getting it. You're gonna be on your knees awestruck before you consciously realize it.

....my guy there's so much bullshit to sort through in 40k lmfao. I'm sorry you're trying to deep dive this, and commend your efforts by the way. <.<;;

[burnt crest]

LOL I'm doing my best to start in the fantastical side with the strongest names. Currently reading about a "Ynnead" which is supposed to be mighty. Ended up caught in one of those wiki-traps and reading about C'tan and shards and something that I've no idea was about lol.

[snow mantle]

Whew, lad.

Hope your weekends free. You'll need that time to go through lol

[burnt crest]

LOL

The Yncarne looks pretty badass. Almost looks a tad out of place when I think about 40k. I usually think of heavy armors and metals, but The Yncarne looks a bit abstract lol

Ynnead will then have the power to destroy Slaanesh forever in a final battle, thus correcting the mistakes which led to the Fall of the Aeldari and allowing the entire species to be reincarnated into a universe free of the taint of Chaos, freed from the sins of their past and with the chance to build a better future.

Oh hey, Eschatology LOL

[snow mantle]

There's several problems with Ynnead though (it's got the eldar fans angry)

Ynnead was...heh...dead in the water.

The final "key" to their release (other than the death of the last Eldar), is a sword thats...secured in Slaanesh's deepest realms in the warp.

....so....completely and utterly beyond any reach.

[burnt crest]

Oh, that sounds like a RIP/GG lolo

Slaanesh don't want to test their mythology lol

[snow mantle]

Yep. That was a cheapshot to the fans lol

[burnt crest]

Like Odin tricking fenrir to be locked up to prevent his death. I think that's a funny bit of comedic irony

I'm guessing that isn't the only mythology that talks about killing off a chaos power...

[snow mantle]

Well, the Tau once believed they killed Slaanesh. So...kinda?

The Tau thought the same about the Emperor. (They killed a chapter master and got mixed up)

...but that's a whole other can of worms.

[pale coral]

At least they got spirit

[snow mantle]

In spades lmao

[burnt crest]

I read the Tau are as much a menace as the uhh... alien things... Necrons?

[snow mantle]

I mean, in the Imperiums eyes? They're a loud neighbor with a noisy pet.

The Tau are technologically advanced but hold a tiny amount of territory.

Granted, they still steal more than a few imperial worlds through diplomacy or military power. The Imperium just has too much going on to swarm them.

[burnt crest]

The Imperium sound like they have their hands full on every front lol

orcs, necrons, tau, chaos, chaos undivided... do the imperium dislike the aeldar, err, however they are spelled?

[snow mantle]

Yep. That's the setting. The Imperium is a dead empire that hasn't realized its died, chugging along on sheer momentum for millennia, getting ripped to shreds by papercuts on all sides and rotting from within

The Imperiums official stance is "if it ain't human it ain't allowed to breathe"

[burnt crest]

LOL

[snow mantle]

The unofficial stance is...it's complicated.

[burnt crest]

I feel like that's every factions stance in all of warhammer, between fantasy, AoS, and what I'm reading of 40k lol

[snow mantle]

The rules at any point across the Imperium are pretty much dictated by whoever has the most guns loaded and ready, within reach

The Eldar, Tau, Tau client species, even Orks and Necron, have all been at least temporary allies in war against a larger immediate threat

Usually tyranids or bigass chaos invasions

As soon as the fighting is over the survivors have a tendency to remember something they don't like about their allies.

Keep in mind, none of the factions are truly unified. Opinions and agreements are entirely localized and almost never stable.

[dire pasture]

why cadia blown up:?

(in darktide it just a bunch of a rocks)

[snow mantle]

Abaddon threw a planet destroying weapon at it during a war to get rid of it and its Warp-restraining necron tech.

[dire pasture]

wh ois abadon?

[snow mantle]

The Cadian Pylons helped keep the Warp in the area stable - no more pylons, and that's how the galaxy ripped in two.

[dusk patrol]

Warmaster of Chaos

Main big bad for Chaos basically

Leader of the largest group

[snow mantle]

What he said

[dire pasture]

i dont understand this games

[dusk patrol]

What do you not understand

[snow mantle]

That's natural. 40k is actually huge. The games we have only give tiny looks into it.

[dire pasture]

what is warp?

chaos is satan?

??

[pale coral]

So bad in fact that Cadians can sometimes have purple or pink eyes so honestly good win for the Imperials they just got cooler

[dusk patrol]

It’s kinda like hell

[snow mantle]

The Warp is basically the messed up emotions and intention of every living creature. It may as well be Hell.

[dusk patrol]

It’s a dimension which is fed by emotions from things with souls

[dire pasture]

warhammer just copy christian?

[dusk patrol]

No

[dire pasture]

ok

[dusk patrol]

But there’s some elements

[snow mantle]

Kinda, actually. More like "is inspired by."

[dusk patrol]

It’s got some similarities to Catholicism

I always describe 40k as a universe with a hell but no Heaven

[dire pasture]

i catholic

im sedevacantist

[dusk patrol]

So take the dark aspects of Christianity

Without almost any of the redeeming nice stuff

That’s 40k typically

[dire pasture]

like heck

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[dire pasture]

no redemption in heck

u there forever son

[dusk patrol]

Nope

Well in 40k

Your soul mostly just evaporated basically

Most peoples souls don’t matter

[dire pasture]

wtf so ur deleted

[dusk patrol]

It’s not really clear

[snow mantle]

Evaporated or eaten by demons, yep

It kinda swings from one to the other

[dusk patrol]

The afterlife for 40k is not really a certain thing

All “sources” in universe are biased as hell

[atomic pelican]

It depends on depiction. Yee

Typically humans just fade unless particularly special I believe

Since not very potent in the warp

[snow mantle]

"Everything is Canon, not everything is true."

Every bit of lore is propaganda and may be outright lies, even to us as readers/players.

[dire pasture]

where i learn more about cool space man army?

[dusk patrol]

Basically it’s important to understand that just because a character says something or thinks something doesn’t make it necessarily true, unless we’re directly shown it

[snow mantle]

People recommend this dude on YouTubes videos. Luetin09 I think. There's also many more guys too.

Admittedly I don't watch their videos.. I mostly read lol.

Just go slow. There's alot.

[pale coral]

I don’t think there’s a choice in that matter you can’t really go through it all quickly

[snow mantle]

I'll clarify, because that's true.

Look for stuff that interests you directly and focus on it. Expand your looks slowly over time. You'll be able to kill plenty of time just looking at one group, let alone 5

Breaking 40k down into smaller chunks will save you many, many headaches

[dire pasture]

who is coolest?

eperor?

[snow mantle]

That is not easy to answer

[dire pasture]

y

[snow mantle]

I don't know what you like 😄

[pale coral]

That and there’s a lot of characters

[snow mantle]

Dozens and dozens of armies just with the Imperium. Not adding in the Aliens, or Chaos, and all their armies.

[pale coral]

And like each Primarch usually have notable traits represented by their character and chapter but this is specific to Space Marines and then there’s other factions who have like a billion people in them

[snow mantle]

Ill focus on Space Marines for a second.

Do you like vampires? Look at blood angels, or flesh tearers.

Like vikings? Space Wolves.

Like Stealthy guys? Raven Guard or Alpha Legion.

Like dudes who really lean on their technology? Iron hands or Salamanders.

[pale coral]

Do Salamanders do that? Thought their only notable trait was extreme respect for civilians and fire

[snow mantle]

There's too many answers that work for different people, for each and every faction, that it's hard to answer quickly lol

[snow mantle]

Vulcan taught em to love blacksmithing (in space). They all tinker on their own gear and have tons of high quality bits for it.

[pale coral]

Right forgot about that

[snow mantle]

Sall good. That's what I mean though. There's so much going on its hard to keep it all in!

[pale coral]

It’s been a long time since I looked at their lore

I’m stuck between liking Imperial Fists and Salamanders

[snow mantle]

I like the Carcharodons right now, loyalist side.

Otherwise I'm in deep with blood angels.

[pale coral]

Who are the Carcharodons?

[snow mantle]

AKA: Space Sharks. They patrol along the outer rim of the galaxy.

They...well they're assholes. But effective ones.

They don't have formal relations with the Mechanicus for gear. They have to trade for it as part of their mandates

They find ancient tech, they trade it for fresh armor still in its wrapping.

They have legal authority to raid whatever planets they come across for bodies.

These are their Grey and Red Tithes.

[pale coral]

So they just make me people join and become marines?

[snow mantle]

They have a couple books out about em. I'd recommend it!

Or slaves! Whatever works.

They're on the harsh end of the spectrum when it comes to loyalists.

They need recruits, serfs, crafters. They visit a world, press gang a population, zip off again and begin their new lives.

[dire pasture]

who is most powerful

[snow mantle]

Whoever is the protagonist of the current story you're in

All the armies in 40k are strong. The weak ones died forever ago.

What kind of strong do you like?

[dire pasture]

OP

[snow mantle]

Lmao. No answer then. That's also every army. Anything that isn't OP in 40k is dead.

Pick a name out of a hat and you're set. :p

[pale coral]

Wouldn’t it just be Ultramarines? They are the basic go to for Space Marines

[dire pasture]

i think ubercharge heavy can beat spaceman marinar

[snow mantle]

Anythings possible :p

[snow mantle]

Yeah. Gotta love the boys in blue. 😄 especially lately. Toned down some or their more annoying bits

[dry epoch]

The Ultramarines got better for me after I read ‘Know No Fear’

[snow mantle]

Jesus, that book is like, 40% casualty list. I loved it.

[pale coral]

My knowledge only comes from wiki pages

[snow mantle]

That's where most of mine comes from as well! But I also have a ton of books. Especially Heresy era books.

It's cheaper than the wargame and I don't need to embarrass myself tryina paint. 🙂

[pale coral]

My only chapter knowledge is on Imperial Fist, Salamanders and White Scars

[snow mantle]

If you ever get into the books- I absolutely recommend the 30k White Scars books

If you already liked modern Scars, they'll make you love em.

"Scars" and "The Path of Heaven", are the pair I really mean.

[normal grove]

Is there any Spess Murines remotely as cool and fun as the BLUHD RHEVANS?

[pale coral]

Not sure what to think of them really Imp Fist and Salamanders I like but Scars were just alright

[snow mantle]

They have commander hairgel - there is no fair comparison here D:

[snow mantle]

That's fair, too! 😄

[broken leaf]

I wonder what level of a psyker our psyker is in DT.

[pale coral]

I think the story on the wiki is just the Scar primarch figuring out what happened during the Horus Heresy and deciding that Chaos did not have the required amount of bicycles for him to consider being a heretic

White Scars at least have their priorities straight

[snow mantle]

Effectively: he loved Horus, and saw the Emperor as a Tyrant. Hearing the news of the Heresy confused him and he waited to find out more.

He eventually sees the Emperor as the lesser evil once he learns how insane the rebels and Traitors have become and throws in his lot.

[broken leaf]

Khan is pretty based, he basically went "Brothers I understand that our Daddy is a huge prick but selling your soul to literal deamons of hell to be anally agonized for eternity is still a worse option than him."

[snow mantle]

Most of the other Loyalists were hardcore believers in the Emperor to some degree or another.

The Khan just saw that he sucked less.

He was rational, where alot of his brothers woulda charged ahead with what they "knew" was right.

[pale coral]

So now what does he do after the heresy?

[snow mantle]

He's one of the Missing primarchs.

[broken leaf]

Do space cocaine and ride fast bikes in the Eldar webway.

[snow mantle]

His ultimate status is unknown - last anyone knew for sure he was chasing Dark Eldar into the web way and never came out.

[pale coral]

What happened to the chapter?

[snow mantle]

They followed his teachings. Kept on smiling as they killed.

They mourned and moved on. They didn't get crushed by it like other chapters did.

[broken leaf]

White Scars are criminally underrated. Their paint scheme largely contributes to it, a capital b to paint them afaik.

[snow mantle]

Also it took until the Heresy series for anyone to give them more than MONGOLIAN BIKERS IN SPACE WOOOO

[near hedge]

Mongolians are pretty cool tho

[snow mantle]

Absolutely. But more than a paragraph of cool shit is appreciated lol. They're first founding after all

[pale coral]

Thought most chapters were simple

[snow mantle]

Anything is simple when boiled down

But...yeah. most chapters have a gimmick they stick to.

But especially the older ones with stories are fascinating.

Look up the Angels Resplendent.

They're a small chapter with a simple bit - focusing on art as meditation to quell their rage, like a good chunk of blood angel stock allegedly do.

And then things go horribly wrong.

[frank holly]

Is there iterations of cybernetics prosthetics for regular guardsmen in the lore? Other than commissars ranks and higher I mean.

[snow mantle]

Of course. If you're useful or well connected, you can get all sorts of replacements

From "barely better than a hook" to "better than the original."

It all depends on the war zone, the groups involved and their resources, and how angry the local techies are.

[pale coral]

A person showed up and they went crazy?

[frank holly]

What a guardman can possibly do with a hook hand? Lasgun need both hands

[snow mantle]

Hey, a hook can pull a trigger with a can-do attitude.

[snow mantle]

Effectively. Turning their noble roots into a darker end

[frank holly]

I see, thank you for the answers

[snow mantle]

Of course. The answers are rarely clear cut, though. It's a big world with a lot of possibilities.

[pale coral]

I don’t understand chapters does no one check to make sure they aren’t completely losing their mind?

[snow mantle]

Sometimes. Mostly chapters are left alone. They're pretty independent of the Imperial authorities.

The inquisitors absolutely check in once they catch whiffs of heresy or treachery, but it isn't always reliable.

Basically, no one wants to point fingers at chapters, who hold alot of power, without proof. Especially older chapters like the first or second founding with track records that go back thousands of years

It's a good way to get shoved out airlocks when you show up and want to meet at their ships, inquisitor or no

"Oh, no. Inquisitor Farquaad was due to meet us 3 terran cycles ago, he never showed up, what a terrible shame."

"Warp travel is quite treacherous."

[near hedge]

Attacked by Warp Orks you say

[snow mantle]

They're a proper menace in this subsector.

[pale coral]

So quick question is the Inquisition the strongest power in the Imperium?

[snow mantle]

They have absolute authority. But the strongest power is always "whoever has the most loaded guns at hand."

Inquisitors aren't unified either. They'll push at eachother. Sabotage eachother. Lord's will push back. Marines. Anybody with enough firepower to survive can with the motivation.

[final spruce]

If you're a strong enough Rogue Trader, you can say "Fuck off" to a low/middle Inquisitor without much repercussions for example

Like Weary described it well, if you got the firepower or jsut power to say no, there isn't much thing they can do

The power of an Inquisitor is dependant of the power others are willing to give him so to speak

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there’s a lot of examples

Like others have said quality varies

[pale coral]

So the Imperium is actually a crumbling empire without any true leader the only determining factor being who can enforce their will better than the others?

[dusk patrol]

The first guy has really nice cybernetic eyes his commander got for him due to the nature of how he lost them. Bottom is Colonel Iron Hand Straken

Probably don’t have to expand on his name much

Hint: it’s cause his fucking arm

[snow mantle]

Effectively? Lol. The closest things they have to true leadership is the High Lords of terra, or Guilliman. But Terra is far away!

[dusk patrol]

There’s also stuff like this

A lot of times it just depends on what’s available when they get injured

[snow mantle]

Therew no centralized leadership. It's all feudal lords, on planetary scales.

[final spruce]

Oh they have true leaders, the High Lords and the Emperor's Regent himself Gulliman and Custodes. its just that every entity under can be denied if you got the power to. It's very a much a "Rules of Nature, the strongest leads" kind of thing

[dusk patrol]

What matters at the end of the day is who has a more guns

Once you get to a certain tier of power everyone is claiming the throne as where their power comes from

[snow mantle]

As long as you pay what the Imperial Law says you need to - water, food, equipment, people, the Imperium itself does not care how you rule. Just keep the supplies coming and keep it quiet.

[dusk patrol]

And when they disagreed, it ultimately comes down to who can back that authority up with firepower

[frank holly]

I wanted to figure out how those basicaly meat shield and canon fodders whose guardmen are, were valuable enough to spent not so cheap prosthetic on them (i really doubt my terrible grammar makes sens)

[final spruce]

The Imperium is uncomplicated when it comes to that

[dusk patrol]

It’s just dependent really

[snow mantle]

The Imperium doesn't even care if your planet revolts in a horrible war - long as the survivors pay the tithe - carry on, see you in a decade.

[dusk patrol]

Typically they try to give them combat effective stuff

[final spruce]

basic prosthetics are really easy to produce and cheap enough that you can equip a decent standard guardsman with one

[dusk patrol]

But sometimes they can’t get the right stuff or it gets botched due to conditions

But typically they get pretty good stuff

Augments aren’t a problem problem in a lot of books, often more of a benefit

But there are shitty ones

Gaunt’s Ghosts has examples of both

[final spruce]

Ah yes, Saltwater in my "non-sea ready" metal lungs and metal eyes , Gaunt moment

[dusk patrol]

Domor is an example where it helps a lot of times in the series, with one exception which Zherlum brought up

[frank holly]

I mean a peg legged guardman is useless, and healthcare and retirement / veteran rents system doesn't exist in the wh40k universe as i'm aware of.

[dusk patrol]

It does

[snow mantle]

The Imperium is not efficient, oddball. It's not exaggeration when it's stated things just run on momentum.

Terra itself starves half to death when the ships comin in pause for 2 days.

The bureaucratic process is a maze, bloated, outdated, and inhumanly large

[dusk patrol]

Guard are often shown being taken care of honestly

Not always but there’s examples of both

[frank holly]

proof or propagenda (i'm joking)

[dusk patrol]

The thing I’ll say is most Guard don’t lead interesting services like we see in most books

[pale coral]

I thought the Imperium was crappy when it came to ruling I didn’t realize it was literally falling apart

[dusk patrol]

Most will just fight some feral or small Ork groups and rebels

Maybe Chaos rebels

The whole “lifespan of a guard is a few hours” is a massive exaggeration

[snow mantle]

The only thing that helps it is the fact that for every world it loses, it rediscovers or reconquers another. But yes. It's constantly fraying, bleeding, and rotting from corruption. Literally and otherwise.

[dusk patrol]

Some are deployed in really shit Warzones but most deal with “normal” threats and a good amount retire

[final spruce]

The Imperium is supposed to be crumbling but because they gotta keep it running to keep the game alive its shown as very crappy, disorganised and everything bureaucratic is terrible

[dusk patrol]

We just tend to follow groups like Cadians, Catachan, Steel Legion, and so on who are extremely elite and get sent to really rough Warzones