#40k-lore-chat

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full bane
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Yeah but at least there was info to go off.

arctic talon
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Lasgun recoil is intentionally added back in via an internal mechanism iirc

barren tapir
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Like, lasgun not having recoil would be a huge boons to them, but no, ah ah recoil is in them too, that is like shooting ourself in the feet lol

arctic talon
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I’m like 99% sure they either don’t kick at all or have it added back in via an internal mechanism for user feedback

full bane
barren tapir
full bane
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Varies based on author.

arctic talon
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But eh

barren tapir
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All those are crap excuses imo

arctic talon
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It’s clear the recoil in darktide

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Is for gameplay lol

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People like guns with recoil

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Case in point Battlefield 4

celest dome
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Have we ever seen the Lasgun but from the perspective of something other than a Guardsman ?

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Like someone technically minded

arctic talon
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2 identical guns had the same stats but one had more visual kick and sound

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People thought the one with more kick did more damage

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It’s a lizard brain thing for gameplay

full bane
arctic talon
atomic atlas
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that should be accomplished with a good snap sound effect. The lack of recoil and the way soldiers look when firing them is iconic

celest dome
full bane
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Also lol why is the bot reacting to everyone.

arctic talon
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It’s annoyed by the words lasgun recoil

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Point being

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It’s added for gameplay reasons

celest dome
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Isn't it reacting only to Elite ?

arctic talon
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To make the gun more satisfying

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No

barren tapir
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Lasgun recoil

celest dome
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recoil

barren tapir
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Emperor protects

full bane
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Lasgun

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Recoil

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Lasgun Recoil

celest dome
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Recoil lasgun

arctic talon
full bane
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Lasguns that have recoil

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Huh

arctic talon
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There needs to be visual kick and such

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It’s weird

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There’s a lot of instances of this in battlefield 4

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But that one was prolly the most notable

barren tapir
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Dunno, i don't need recoil to feel the strength of a gun

arctic talon
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Since they had the exact same stats

atomic atlas
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Telling me my lizard brain needs it does not make it so

barren tapir
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In fact, i want less recoil lol

arctic talon
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Lol

atomic atlas
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I do not need that

arctic talon
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I like recoil in guns in games

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But that’s just my opinion

atomic atlas
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Like I totally understand the point

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I love guns with loud bangs and heavy recoil

arctic talon
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Also the lasgun has like almost no recoil in the beta

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Tbh

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It’s just for visual feedback

atomic atlas
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and I like the way imperial guard regiments look when they advance and fire, and their arms are dead still

arctic talon
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We barely have any videos of the guard tbf

atomic atlas
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If you haven't, you should watch the Helsreach animated film

arctic talon
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Or games with them

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Helsreach isn’t official

atomic atlas
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Very good

arctic talon
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For one

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And I have watched it

atomic atlas
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I'm aware

arctic talon
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It’s a nice way of visualizing the audiobook

atomic atlas
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Better than any animation that's been produced with an official stamp of approval 😂

full bane
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I feel like part of the issue is that Lasguns behave too much like regular guns in the lore. They're not like Dune Lasguns where you drag the beam around, they're just guns but we replaced the bullet with laser.

arctic talon
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Or the 9th edition launch trailer

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But yeah

full bane
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Or the Horus Heresy trailer.

arctic talon
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It looks good

atomic atlas
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I didn't mean the animation is better, but that it's a better piece of media than their other animations

arctic talon
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I mean?

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It’s an adaptation of an audiobook

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I’d say the audiobook is still better then the actual animation tbh

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But that’s just me

atomic atlas
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I mean the animation is supplementary to the book. And it was an incredible book

arctic talon
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You can have a dif opinion

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Yeah

atomic atlas
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Aaron Dembski Bowden is my fav

arctic talon
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Lasguns are just like

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Treated as normal guns

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They even have yellow muzzle flash and stuff in a lot of art

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Despite the fact they should be red

atomic atlas
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GW will be inconsistent about basically everything. That's why I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what's "official"

arctic talon
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Lol

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Pretty much

atomic atlas
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I'm the one who has to sort through all of it and make it make sense anyway

arctic talon
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All that’s consistant is guns kill

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And so do swords

full bane
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Yeah, there's just flat out not been any depiction of Lasguns that I can recall which isn't just "we took a service rifle and made it shoot lasers like a Star Wars blaster". They're always just generic guns, now in laser flavour. The unique factors tend to come in how their power packs recharge, and overloading them so they explode.

arctic talon
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There’s dark heresy

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But that’s all I can think about

atomic atlas
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I mean Star Wars did a pretty good job of retroactively explaining it with that gas that they use for power packs for blasters

full bane
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I wouldn't be surprised if there's a novel out there by one of the one-shot less skilled writers where they eject casings lol.

arctic talon
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Lol

atomic atlas
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I feel like the fact that it's still in question is hilarious when it should be so easy to make consistent

full bane
arctic talon
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Lol pretty much

atomic atlas
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and I sure hope I didn't just trash anyone's favorite book 😂

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To his credit, that writer improved over the course of the series

full bane
arctic talon
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True

full bane
atomic atlas
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Oh I've seen that name thrown around as one of the more egregious ones

full bane
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Those were truly something special. (Even if you might want to forget them)

arctic talon
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CS goto god no

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Why does he hate the eldar so much lol

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And why does he like multilasers

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Or backflipping terminators

atomic atlas
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You're shitting me

arctic talon
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My brother in Christ

atomic atlas
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a backflipping terminator?

arctic talon
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Yes

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In one of his books

atomic atlas
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Now I might read this

arctic talon
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And also in dawn of war 3

atomic atlas
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🤮

arctic talon
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Also he has a really weird hardon

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For having eldar die horrifically

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And having their guns be useless

atomic atlas
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I like wholesome interracial friendships with Eldar, thank you very much

arctic talon
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Also dark eldar living in the eye of terror

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It’s very clear he doesn’t want to write about 40k

atomic atlas
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now that is just

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Nobody disrespects the drukhari like that

arctic talon
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Also leilith hesparitx worshiped slaanesh

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💀

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According to him

atomic atlas
arctic talon
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Point being CS Goto’s books should be burned

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Not actually

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But still

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He disregards most existing canon to write his own stuff

atomic atlas
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Okay, I forgive the space wolves guy. They weren't even that bad. Just amateur

arctic talon
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The one thing CS goto did that was good

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Was make people realize multilasers are cool

full bane
# atomic atlas You're shitting me

There's a scene in one book where a bunch of youth and locals with sticks swarm a Wave Serpent, jam sticks in the engine and it crashes.

atomic atlas
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😮‍💨

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This Aeldari hatred has gone on long enough

atomic pelican
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Most competent BL eldar depiction

atomic atlas
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Well, I certainly don't prefer the craftworlders, but I'll take them over 'umies

full bane
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Oh and Dark Eldar live in the eye of terror and worship Slaanesh in some of his books.

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GW does not have an editing team confirmed.

atomic pelican
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Yeah old BL is the worst

atomic atlas
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tbh I'm surprised that GW hasn't just deleted drukhari altogether yet

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But that is a special kind of negligence in an author that I wasn't prepared for

atomic pelican
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The only good person to write eldar has been Andy Chambers

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With Path of the dark eldar and masque of vyle

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Gav thorpe is comically bad and goto is goto

full bane
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Gav Thorpe being bad is especially funny given he's the one who seem to be in charge of lore-keeping for Eldar but is himself inconsistent with it.

atomic pelican
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Yeah its the worst

full bane
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Man needs an editor.

atomic pelican
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Person who seems to hate eldar put in charge of the eldar

full bane
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GW writing staff needs an editorial team.

arctic talon
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Also don’t forget CS Goto having the D-weapons fire bullets

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Ok I’m done

atomic pelican
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LMAO

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Its okay, honestly most BL is dumpster writing so its not too shocking

arctic talon
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I don’t even play eldar btw

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But it’s pretty stupid

atomic pelican
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For every Masque of Vyle theres 100 dime marine novels that get pumped out

arctic talon
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How they’re written

full bane
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Eh, it's middle of the road sci-fi imo, most of it is generic but not trash. But they're too mediocre for the most part.

coarse mirage
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"An even less pretty sight was that of the big Ogryn, Tig, as he had cradled his best friend’s torso in his arms, trying to convince himself that everything was fine." Sitgryn

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Ogryn's are like dogs, too pure.

coarse olive
coarse mirage
coarse olive
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I'm pouring one out for Tig 🫗

dry epoch
coarse olive
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I'm pouring two out Q.Q

nocturne jetty
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This creature is strong?

storm jungle
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Its literally vaporizing someone

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so yes

tired umbra
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Maybe the person being vaporized is just a bitch?

storm jungle
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TRUE

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maybe he was just old

shadow plover
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well it's guard so can't be much higher tier than bitch tier Smug

coarse mirage
crisp heath
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I think Orgz are the better material for the ogryn class bcus of the strength advantage

exotic mica
crisp heath
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Don't you all think the same?

storm jungle
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I'm a big fan of Orgz™️ myself

plush mason
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orgz?

dusk patrol
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Orgz

plush mason
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wtf is that?

dusk patrol
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Join my new Orgz ladz

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Da Teef Krew

storm jungle
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Orgz R Uz

crisp heath
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Orgz are more strengthful than the Ogryns

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I think Orgz dominate the bodybuilding industry

dusk patrol
crisp heath
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There is more to Orgz than you can probably imagine

dusk patrol
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Are we just intentionally mispelling Orks here?

storm jungle
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I think so?

storm jungle
crisp heath
dusk patrol
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Is this what having a stroke feels like?

fierce pendant
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Most likely.

crisp heath
plush mason
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wtf is happening rn?

unborn gust
fierce pendant
dusk patrol
unborn gust
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“Most” staregryn

crisp heath
storm jungle
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It is what you said.

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Vtubers exist in 40k lore

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deal with it

dusk patrol
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You said simp-toms

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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I

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am not a simp

crisp heath
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Mockery...

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Bluff

unborn gust
crisp heath
unborn gust
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Hololive in 40k confirmed

crisp heath
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You meant Holocaust...

unborn gust
dusk patrol
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I'm so confused

fierce pendant
crisp heath
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There is no trains here just a straight walk

unborn gust
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Trains in 40k

crisp heath
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Machinists in 40k

plush mason
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so there is a giant ass bomb rigged to the golden throne?

unborn gust
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That’s news to me

crisp heath
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There is the amber train in 40k

unborn gust
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A what?

crisp heath
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An amber train

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Train full of amber

unborn gust
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Wtf do you mean by amber train

unique berry
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This is one of the few times this channel is weird

crisp heath
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There is also an amber chamber in that train

unborn gust
crisp heath
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Which contain goodies

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Like gold

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Or amber

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Or children

unique berry
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Why are u talking about Amber in 40k

plush mason
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im so very confused

unique berry
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Me too

crisp heath
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Wasn't 40k created based on the Nazi Germany?

plush mason
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not at all

unborn gust
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It’s based on the Catholic Church

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Like heavily

coarse mirage
unborn gust
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It hits you over the head with Catholic imagery

mortal lance
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Oh great another one 🙄

unborn gust
coarse mirage
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can we have lore channel be lore and not whatever this is?

crisp heath
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Ohhh, so yeah my friend messed the explanation

unborn gust
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I think this conversation gave me a headache

plush mason
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same

dusk knot
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oh no

unique berry
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It aint even funny at this point

unborn gust
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Fish. Do you have advil

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I have a headache now

crisp heath
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He was supposed to explain me some lore and got lost in the translation

dusk knot
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I have a gun

unborn gust
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Good enough

dusk patrol
plush mason
dusk patrol
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The Talisman of Seven Hammers

unborn gust
dusk patrol
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So if the Emperor dies, a warp rift wouldn't open up and exist forever.

unborn gust
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Oh

dusk patrol
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The Talisman just destroys Sol

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It also was put in place prior to the Siege of Terra

unborn gust
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How does it stop the warp rift

dusk patrol
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So if the traitors won, they'd all get wiped out.

crisp heath
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Orgz would be fine addition to the darktide as the ogryn subclass

dusk patrol
unborn gust
dusk patrol
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It was made by Vulkan

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Yeah

unborn gust
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They never come back

dusk patrol
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Nope

unborn gust
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Reduced to atoms

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Don’t return to the warp?

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Damn

dusk patrol
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Worse even, just nothing

unborn gust
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Basically what happened to Horus then

crisp heath
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Just nothing like after real death?

dusk patrol
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Daemons don't die for good normally.

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The Talisman does kill them for good.

unborn gust
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Literally a Parry this casual

crisp heath
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Oh nice, magic bullshreds to kill some immortal beings

plush mason
dusk patrol
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To be fair, we don't actually know if its still active.

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But as far as we know it is

crisp heath
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I can live with stretched models

unborn gust
dusk patrol
crisp heath
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Wrench can apply stun

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To the opposing force

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Can we get a deep fried chicken as the medi- medi- medicae

storm jungle
crisp heath
storm jungle
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Nah

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now shoo

plush mason
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no. this is the lore channel lol

crisp heath
storm jungle
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Its not.

plush mason
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https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Orks

Warhammer 40k Wiki
Orks

"Ere We Go, 'Ere We Go, 'Ere We Go!" — Common Ork chant heard during a greenskin WAAAGH! The Orks, also called greenskins, are a savage, warlike, green-skinned species of humanoids who possess physiological features of both animals and fungi who are spread all across the Milky Way Galaxy. They share many features with Warhammer Fantasy Orcs (and...

storm jungle
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Thats lore.

crisp heath
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It's literally lore

plush mason
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Orgz do not exist anywhere in warhammer 40k

crisp heath
plush mason
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no

crisp heath
dusk patrol
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My brother in christ I hope you are on drugs, because otherwise you're just being silly for no reason

plush mason
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yeah. why am i still feeding this guy?

storm jungle
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But yeah jokes aside stop filling the chat with this nonsense please

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if you wanna talk ork stuff thats fine

crisp heath
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I'm eating by myself

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Orgz yeeees

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Chop there, chop that

dusk patrol
plush mason
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ok so Orgz must be mistranslated orks cause i get the feeling he doesnt speak english and is using a translator app of some kind

crisp heath
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Me speak very to the point

dusk patrol
unique berry
storm jungle
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I mean

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Vulkan is literally a smith god IRL

plush mason
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yes

storm jungle
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its his niche in lore too

dusk patrol
storm jungle
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Which were mostly hammers

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he really liked hammers

dusk patrol
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Ferrus made more simple but good weapons

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Perturabo didn't do weapons as much

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He designed stuff more.

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In between fits of baby rage

unique berry
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A right stuff like siege engines and so on

storm jungle
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Also tiny miniatures

dusk patrol
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Also it doesn't matter for Ferrus since GW forget he ever existed

storm jungle
unique berry
storm jungle
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Yeah its not subtle

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and in Turkish the word for volcano is literally Volkan

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so Nocturne is full of ironies

unique berry
dusk patrol
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He smithed in the TzHarr Caves in Runescape

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plush mason
dusk patrol
unique berry
plush mason
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yes

crisp heath
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How come there is no orgynz

plush mason
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?

dusk patrol
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Wow hahahahahahaahahahahaha hilarious dude, man you’re a funny guy

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God, what a hilarious comment

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You sir, get the award for comedy gold today

unique berry
plush mason
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i give up

dusk patrol
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He’s just a troll that’s all

crisp heath
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Actually, I'm orgzkind but it's anyway a darksided race

storm jungle
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Oblood, for the last time.

Are you just trolling, if so im timing you out for a day.

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like its kinda dragging on at this point lol

coarse mirage
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just fucking deal with them

storm jungle
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I timed him out 2 times so just want to be sure KEK

crisp heath
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Wait, I got timed out rude decision

storm jungle
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You didn't follow my warning of going to general-chat incase you want to say random stuff there.

prime tapir
dusk patrol
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I feel like they’re probably a kid, I dunno. I hope so. Would make it more understandable.

storm jungle
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Yeah i cant really tell is the issue

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but his pfp also has a kid's face with a dick drawn on it

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lol

crisp heath
plush mason
dusk patrol
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I wonder if he’s actually just an AI

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Not a good one

crisp heath
storm jungle
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It kinda goes to show you are just being weird for no reason

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anyway

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If he does this again just ping me and then its solitary where I'll actually question him lol

plush mason
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got it boss

prime tapir
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We got any boltguns in darktide?

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A bolt pistol does not sound unreasonable.

plush mason
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i think the bolter is confirmed but not the bolt pistol

prime tapir
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Shieeeet

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For which class?

plush mason
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unknown

prime tapir
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It’s almost too big for anyone but the ogryn

tired umbra
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I am gonna have a stroke

plush mason
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lol no

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human sized bolters have always been a thing

prime tapir
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Huh

storm jungle
prime tapir
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Are there models wielding it?

storm jungle
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yeah fetching one

tired umbra
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Can you pin it and automatically send it to anyone who joins the discord?

plush mason
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lmao

storm jungle
plush mason
storm jungle
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Mini announced just a week ago

plush mason
dusk patrol
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There’s been some smaller models for awhile

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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They’re uncommon

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But they’ve existed

prime tapir
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Haha that so stupidly big.

Guy wearing it for clout.

dusk patrol
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It’s like, the Diaz model

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Goldwyn-Diaz

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Smol Bolter

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For smol folk

plush mason
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ye

dusk patrol
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But it’s possible it’ll just be for the Ogryn

unique berry
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All i want is to have a chainsword in one hand and a lasterpistol/boltpistol in the other

dusk patrol
tired umbra
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Gimme the god damn Eviscerator

dusk patrol
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I suspect we’ll get a bolt pistol with an officer class for the Vet

plush mason
dusk patrol
dusk patrol
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But it’d be funny

prime tapir
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I wonder why it’s so big in the first place, most of the functionality is in the bullet/microrocket.

unique berry
dusk patrol
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Because 40k

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Don’t try to make sense of bolters

plush mason
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ye

dusk patrol
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They don’t make any

plush mason
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like the only part of them that makes any sense is the fact they are 2 stage gyrorockets

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everything else about them is just completely BS

prime tapir
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At least they’d double as ogryn-proof bludgeoning weapons

plush mason
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a .75 caliber explosive round cant atomize half a human by exploding inside it lol

dusk patrol
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Not with that attitude

plush mason
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it takes a 120mm HEAT round to atomize a human

prime tapir
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Do they atomize? I always just assumed they’d work similiar to wasp knives but with gunpowder.

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Penetrate and then produce force around it, let colliding organs do the rest

unique berry
plush mason
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the lore i have read or watched on yt states than when a human is hit center mass with a single bolt round. their entire upper body is just blown to shreads

tired umbra
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Yeah if a bolter hits you. You're basically done.

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Whatever it hits is gonna no longer be there

plush mason
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yes which is stupid cause there isnt nearly enough explosives in the round to do that

tired umbra
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Nah but it's rad as fuck

plush mason
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yes

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rule of cool

prime tapir
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I reckon they have infused promethium or some other made up ingredients for a more powerful charge.

plush mason
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promethium is a catch all for literally any fuel the imperium uses iirc

storm jungle
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yeah its basically gasoline/petrol

plush mason
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lol

prime tapir
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Magic space fuel

plush mason
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nope

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or maybe

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i think their ships use plasma as fuel

prime tapir
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I know

tired umbra
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Nah they also use promethium

prime tapir
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Magic as in narrative magic

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They try to explain it in the fiction, but it seems kinda strange

plush mason
prime tapir
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Promethium is a general, catch-all term used for any form of combustible fuel in the Imperium of Man, including refined hydrocarbons and the various isotopes of hydrogen used as both fuel and reaction mass in Imperial Plasma Generators and starship drives.

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Huh that’s new to me

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It amuses me someone could ask for prometheum and get handed nuclear weapon components by accident.

unique berry
plush mason
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so thats what happens when a video you are watching gets deleted lol

prime tapir
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Aint it weird Word Bearers are given so little attention when they’re likely the most consequential traitor legion.

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I guess they just lack a unique post-heresy identity.

Every other legion are chaos + something else.

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bearers are just chaos

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Lots of chaos

copper cliff
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What do you say about the ones who are bery bangry

unique berry
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Sir Iron Warrior are just Traitor ls they dont belong to a Chaos Lord

prime tapir
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Aint Perty boi a daemon at this point?

copper cliff
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I feel like world eaters are the worst legion

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Theyre just space marines but angry

prime tapir
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Some night lord & alpha legion warbands are unaligned too.

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And Abaddon mostly seem to use the gods from a utilitarian perspective.

copper cliff
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Alpha legion are aligned with the alpha legion

unique berry
# prime tapir Aint Perty boi a daemon at this point?

Yeah but there are 2 possible ways
1.Fulgrim lured Pertu and some IW in a trap and Fulgrim wounded Pertu and he slowly died from it sonhe became a Deamon Primarch to stop it
2. Writter got lazy cause he even refused Nurgle and all the other Chaos Gods

plush mason
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2 is the most likely reason

unique berry
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Yup

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Which sucks for me at least

tired umbra
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...Except there's a reason for it. Peter Turbo wants to know how to control everything. Chaos is a thing he saw and thought "I am gonna learn that. But NOT fall for it because I am the smartest and coolest guy." Except he's an arrogant fuck who isn't as great as he thinks he is and is probably just a puppet of Chaos now just like the rest.

prime tapir
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Any daemon prince is in the clutches of the ruinous powers, I think it’s reasonable to call him a chaos lord.

tired umbra
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He's a demon prince. He just thinks he isn't under their control

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Kinda like Abaddon thinks he's above Chaos

unique berry
copper cliff
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"I will raze that planet but not because you told me too!"

prime tapir
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A puppet who can’t see his strings

tired umbra
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Exactly

unique berry
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Bit of hot shot

tired umbra
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Perty and Abaddon both think they are playing their own game and they are just using Chaos as a tool. And while that might be true to an extent. They are both still totes being played.

plush mason
storm jungle
#

It is called slaves to darkness for a reason

prime tapir
#

Weird theory:

The imperial faith unintentionally primes minds to be more susceptible to chaos worship once it takes hold. It was after all penned by the greatest chaos-sucker of them all.

#

It’d make sense his psychology would bleed into the texts.

dusk patrol
#

The issue is we see Chaos takes hold better in people who don’t hold a faith like that, who don’t know to steel themselves from it.

#

It was a big issue during the Heresy

#

It’s why current SM chapters are so regimented and strict

prime tapir
#

Did heresy era legions besides the bearers worship the emperor?

#

I know quite a bit of the legions clung to vestiges of their native culture’s faith. But that seems universal across them all.

#

To greater or lesser extents.

plush mason
#

only logic reason and science where permited

prime tapir
dusk patrol
#

Even now most chapters don’t really worship him

#

It’s like more a respect and reverence

#

even with the Black Templars it’s not consistent

unique berry
#

And then we have the Black Templar

plush mason
#

in fact one of the greatest ironies of Lorgar is his legion was originally tasked with killing all members of the religious classes of a planet and removing all places of worship from the map

dusk patrol
#

The thing with the BT is they’re basically a bunch of separate chapters under one banner

#

Helbrecht controls them all to some extent

#

But they do their own thing a lot

prime tapir
#

Word bearers were done dirty

Justice for monarchia

plush mason
prime tapir
#

It’s also kinda silly of him.

We’ll always have religion as long as we have overactive pattern recognition survival engines for brains.

tired umbra
#

Lorgar unironically won

plush mason
dusk patrol
#

It was a temporary fix

#

Until the Webway project got off the ground

plush mason
#

true

dusk patrol
#

Also, at the end of the day a lot of the Heresy’s onset is plot contrivances which don’t make a lot of sense

plush mason
#

thats warhammer lore for you

minor lance
#

Fun question for the day: How many Orkz are actually Ogryn sleeper agents painted green?

copper cliff
#

Not enough

prime tapir
minor lance
#

Plus, if Orks are convinced, who knows, maybe they'll be able to stomach a lil extra!

prime tapir
#

Orks only eat meat and fungi afaik

#

Imperial rations likely contain huge amount of ingredients orks don’t appreciate

minor lance
prime tapir
#

Ogryns eat what they’re served

#

And it’s likely just a big hormone cocktail haha

minor lance
#

This is only serving to intensify my terrible headcanon

#

Look

#

Look

#

Ogryn Digganobz

#

But actually in Ork culture as sleeper agents

#

S'all I'm sayin'

prime tapir
#

Ohhh I thought you meant the other way around

Orks infiltrating ogryn squads

minor lance
#

No, no

#

Paint Ogryns green and make them think they're orks.

#

Make them sleeper agents.

prime tapir
#

Amusing as it would be, I think the orkz would know what they were due to them not having the same pheromones and such.

But I also believe Orks would find them so entertaining and impressive that they’d keep them around as some weird war pets.

#

And the Ogryns would think they’re doing a kickass job while coughing up spores 😭

minor lance
#

"OI DIS WONZ A PROPPAH GI'. HONRARY GI' 'E IZ. GO ON. PUNCH IM. SE- OOOHHH 'E KRUMP'D YA GOOD DI'N 'E LEGCHOMPAH? YOU'Z'LL BE CRAWLIN' DAT WON OFF FER A WHILE BWAHAHHAA"

#

That is all I want

coarse mirage
#

The Emperor made Lorgar, yet Lorgar gets shit for being himself. Thanks dad.

coarse mirage
plush mason
#

nah what fucked lorgar over was landing on a planet of chaos worshipers and being "raised" by a sadistic pedo

coarse mirage
#

The Imperium is built on daddy issues

unique berry
#

Gotta be the worst story of the Primarchs

plush mason
#

yes

coarse mirage
#

even the Tau know it

storm jungle
#

Lord Helmawr's dead!

unique berry
coarse mirage
#

But that's the grimdark, the Imperium is just very slowly losing.

plush mason
storm jungle
#

oh wait wrong chat whoops

plush mason
storm jungle
#

Yeah

#

new codex came out 🙏

plush mason
#

so. does that make Jerico the lord governor?

storm jungle
#

SO

#

want some stuff to read?

plush mason
#

sure

storm jungle
#

But if you want a TLDR

#

basically he gets semi-assassinated but they manage to put him a statis casket

#

and naturally as with any ruler death

#

a lot of helmawr people want to take his place

#

and some claiming to Kal and getting killed for it KEK

plush mason
#

nice

storm jungle
#

Its super good

#

the entire world also has a massive blackout when the Rift opens

#

its literally just the blackout mutator but for an entire hive city KEK

plush mason
#

but who would have lord helmawr assassinated?

prime tapir
#

Lorgar was too kind for the environment he grew up in.

Molded into a monster by the monsters he thought he could trust.

storm jungle
atomic pelican
#

Objective: <Survive>

storm jungle
#

LITERALLY EVERYONE

#

TRIES TO KILL EACH OTHER

#

GSC Included

atomic pelican
#

"PVP has been enabled"

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Necromunda is a wild place

plush mason
atomic pelican
#

Necromunda GSC after getting nuked again

plush mason
#

lmao

gloomy heath
#

Tig sobboy

plush mason
dusk patrol
#

That’s why they just keep that hive quarantined

#

Hard to destroy a hive properly

gloomy heath
#

I kinda wish they'd given him a little bit of description so we could know if we found him in game somewhere

storm jungle
#

a lot shit is happening

#

i cant post it all here for reasons but just thought id share lul

plush mason
gloomy heath
#

It's probably not Tig though

plush mason
plush mason
lyric ember
#

Who is better at building shit, Imp fists or iron warriors

dusk patrol
#

Whichever legion you’re asking

near hedge
#

you the player

dusk patrol
#

The truth is, they’re both really damn good

#

So it just depends on the leader and situation

#

Generally the IW were known for sieging while the IF were the fortifying guys, but it’s kind a reductive take on it

#

They both excelled at both

#

And they both beat the other at both multiple times during the Heresy

cedar magnet
#

Something something iron cage

dusk patrol
#

Perturabo also lost the Siege which is my point

#

They both lost where it mattered

#

But also won where it did

unique berry
#

💯

topaz ledge
#

Do the tribesman of Chogoris (and/or the White Scars for that matter) have a special name they refer to the Emperor by? Or practice the Cult Imperialis in any special way?

unique berry
plush mason
#

and Dorn walked right into said trap

dusk patrol
#

He wasn’t in the best state of mind at the time

plush mason
#

nope

dusk patrol
#

Also we don’t really have current lore on how it went down so I’ll wait til we get some first hand accounts in a book or something

plush mason
#

mad with rage and grief iirc

unique berry
#

Poor bastards never saw it coming

wet cradle
#

Didn't Mr Blueberry himself have to step in to keep Dorn from getting killed?

unique berry
#

Yup

wet cradle
#

Iirc the imperial fists suffered like 70-80% casualties, and this was like, right after the siege of Terra where they had already lost a lot of guys right?

dusk patrol
#

We don’t know the losses really, we can make some guesses based off how many chapters the IF formed in the second founding.

#

But it’s hard to say since right now we don’t even know how they end up after the Siege/Heresy. Same with the IWs.

#

The whole event is pretty old lore by now so it’s probably best to wait for current books to catch up to how it happens and the losses suffered.

unique berry
#

But but

odd palm
#

How close the Iron Cage was on Sebastian IV really depends how large Guillimans reinforcing task force was.

#

A single chapter? A close battle.
Multiple chapters? Far more one sided on the Iron Warriors side

#

The Imperial Fists recounting is to steeped in myth to be taken at face value.
While the Iron Warriors recounting is likely from still living astartes, their bitter rivalry and bias makes the account doesn’t make it completely reliable

dusk patrol
#

Which wraps around to my earlier point

#

Most in universe accounts of it are pretty old and its best to just take it as, Imperial Fists suffered bad losses, it led to Dorn accepting the Codex and the Chapter system.

#

Best to wait until we get new more direct media on it in the meantime.

odd palm
#

Agreed

dusk patrol
#

And by "pretty old" I don't mean in universe, I mean direct references to it in lore are old.

odd palm
#

Oh yeah the index astartes references are what? 20-25 years old. Published in the mid 90’s iirc

unique berry
#

30k & HH lore > 40k lore

atomic pelican
#

Just what I needed, even more marine focus

dusk patrol
#

Yes

full bane
#

The nature of the Iron Cage depends on who is telling the tale. For some, it was a test of resolve, undertaken as a crucible to ensure that those that moved on to the chapter format were the most hardened of veterans. In others it was Dorn foolhardishly rushing into a trap that almost destroyed his legion. In some sources, the two legions were evenly matched and despite the defences surrounding them they would have annihilated each other.

As Eternal said, we've only got 90s era lore for it. It's referenced every Imperial Fists related supplement, but in a mythical contexy glorifying it.

full bane
#

Like blank faction? You'll love their appearance in our new.... Space Marine Battle Novel

odd palm
#

Seeing as a book is due to release about the kasrkin, I kinda hope one drops for the imperial navy armsmen

full bane
#

Probably whenever the rumored BFG box sets come out.

#

One of their newer terrain sets (basically Zone Mortalist rereleased) is basically ship boarding/close quarters I believe.

odd palm
#

Mm, it’s pre good and the armsmen models look quite nice

full bane
#

It's nice to see shotguns and boarding shields on minis.
I kind of hope we get a shield and single handed ranged combo in Darktide.

odd palm
#

I mean a bullgryn build with a grenadier gauntlet would be dope.
Not to mention a possible fifth class being an enforcer

celest dome
#

4 Archetype starting with 1 Class each

full bane
#

Not at launch anyway

#

Plenty of possibilities for additional classes imo, especially if the class system means they're not restricting themselves to four overarching archetypes.

nocturne jetty
#

No 5th Class

#

Or we get Oversor Assasinpogryn

#

Looks like (Normal) Human to me

fierce pendant
#

finally an archetype that can solo the game

full bane
#

A death cult assassin might make a good class option. Probably something like the invisible Kerillian career.

nocturne jetty
#

Probably

fierce pendant
#

I think any of the assassins would be a tad too good for the rejects

#

Then again who knows

#

They made Krub a Grail Knight

full bane
#

Death Cults are pretty small fry for the most part, might fit in as a Zealot option?

nocturne jetty
#

Something Invisible character pls

#

Darktide new enemies (Doing Slanneshi Ritual)

rose thorn
#

I KNOW WHAT TO DO FOR A STEALTH CHARACTER

#

RATLINGS

nocturne jetty
nimble lotus
#

omg mira, keep the 4th sienna career to the vt2 discord

nocturne jetty
rose thorn
#

Ratlings are small sneaky fuckeds! It’s perfect

final spruce
#

Death cult assassins would fit well as a Zealot class

worn cargo
# rose thorn

NO, THEY ALREADY SAID THEYRE NOT TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARDIUM. AND IT IS A SAD DAY.

#

would be fucking sick though if I’m wrong

nocturne jetty
nocturne jetty
#

Are they even Inquisition???

rose thorn
#

If an ogryn is in a rattling can be in

celest dome
celest dome
worn cargo
#

But your thing does hold true so that’s like, my only thing to part info on

nocturne jetty
#

We need a Small Character too

rose thorn
#

We could also get beastmen but while they are abhumans, a shit load went to chaos so

nocturne jetty
celest dome
#

They are somewhat rare now

storm jungle
#

there is no steath in the game tho

nocturne jetty
#

Yes

storm jungle
#

you literally just walk past enemies and keep your distance

#

thats as close as you can get

rose thorn
#

I think she meant like the shadow walker if what ever it’s called from Vermintide

nocturne jetty
#

Halfling still Humans?

nocturne jetty
celest dome
#

So same way the Ogre and the Dwarf in fantasy aren't and Ogryn/Squat are

#

Well Abhuman at least

rose thorn
#

Also if fat shark get sick of peole wanting a squat and they have ratling in the game, they can just give the ratling a squat costmetic

nocturne jetty
unique berry
minor lance
barren tapir
#

Ok, need more info about my House

#

The STC was starting to gear out and disclose more info and patterns, it might have foresaw all this shit, so Van Saar might have endured better than others... Also, we had tons of cameras inside helmwar residence... So they must have been the first to see shits hitting the fan

storm jungle
#

just stay in the background as the chaos unfolds

#

the protagonist of the book seems to be more or so just Escher going into TOOOOWN

minor lance
#

Wait, there's an STC on Necromunda?

storm jungle
#

yeah since forever

minor lance
#

What.

storm jungle
minor lance
#

I don't follow Necromunda at all, I'll admit

storm jungle
celest dome
#

Van Saar has had an Stc since a long time ago.
Though it's eerily similar to a Votann I think

fierce pendant
storm jungle
#

Nah its not

storm jungle
#

the "get more cancer as you use it" is great

#

ez money

barren tapir
barren tapir
minor lance
dusk patrol
#

It’s just the one STC I believe

#

But it’s a complete one

storm jungle
#

has a lot of interesting stuff/lore

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

especially with the recent House books

dusk patrol
#

It’s pretty wacky

#

I try not to think of Van Saar too much

worn cargo
minor lance
dusk patrol
#

The concept is a bit too out there imo but most of the houses have weird stuff

dusk patrol
barren tapir
dusk patrol
#

The lower levels suck but most of it is nice

storm jungle
#

theres public service announcements at the beginning of every book, they are amazing

barren tapir
#

BTW, Dilara, which codex is?

dusk patrol
#

Once you get out of the absolute lower levels it’s one of the nicer hives, at least for the none infested hives

minor lance
#

I'm getting mixed signals as to my next vacation destination here.

celest dome
#

I don't think that's accurate

#

Necromunda even on mid hive isn't a really nice place to live in

#

It's not the worst but there is better

dusk patrol
#

It’s still a hive but it’s mostly peaceful outside of the house wars on the bottom, Helmawr ensures they stay down there

barren tapir
#

My theory is that the Van Saar STC is interfacing to all hive primus to complete the request that it received to transform the hive in a space ship, which was a request from lord Helmwar to the Van Saar, but they concluded they couldn't... But the STC seems to be doing something on its own

storm jungle
#

theres no "peaceful" spots

#

even the ash wastes are filled with tusken raiders

#

I MEAN

#

googles

dusk patrol
#

They talk about in the books how it’s regulated to the lower levels

storm jungle
#

Ash Waste Nomads

dusk patrol
#

Like there’s still shit spots outside the hive

worn cargo
celest dome
#

Not really the same

true sentinel
storm jungle
#

it probably is jokes aside

storm jungle
#

they ride giant grashoppers

#

YEET

barren tapir
worn cargo
storm jungle
#

Nope, just Necromunda

celest dome
#

Necromunda is utterly broke the nature is dying because the Maintenance system is faulty and things like that

storm jungle
#

these got revealed like 2 months ago too

worn cargo
#

Oh wow

dusk patrol
#

It’s the ironic part of Necromunda, Helmawr keeps it pretty nice overall compared to most hives.

storm jungle
barren tapir
#

One of the best place to live is new hagen i think, the Van Saar settlement, since there most of the tech stuff work and it is even quite rad free

worn cargo
#

Isn’t necromunda the one where they also released that fancy house with power shields & basically super fancy technology?

storm jungle
#

Yeah thats van saar

celest dome
#

Van Saar

barren tapir
#

Yup, us

#

Also extremely advanced bionics

celest dome
dusk patrol
#

Yeah

#

They live shorter lives due to it

storm jungle
#

thats their only downside yeah

dusk patrol
#

But their suits keep them alive longer too

storm jungle
#

cool tech > cancer

barren tapir
celest dome
#

If I remember correctly, there are Hive World that are cleaner than out current one

storm jungle
barren tapir
#

Oh, and lets not forget that on Araneus prime there is a democratic hive

#

Which system for election is overseen by the Van Saar, like pretty much all tech

dusk patrol
#

Hive worlds are inconsistent with how they’re portrayed but mostly it’s giant cities with wasteland in between, dotted by smaller cities

#

A mature hive planet at least is like that

true sentinel
#

Imagine not being a redemptionist. Couldn’t be me #zealotgang #TimeToDecimateSomeMutants #ThatsHowIDoIt

dusk patrol
#

Terra is the only one which is really almost entirely a city across the whole world

#

And it still has some wastelands

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

the redemptionist turn on each other

true sentinel
#

Offical legal branch of the Ecclesiarchy

storm jungle
#

some saying the emperor abandoned them and ruining his imagery

true sentinel
#

Everyone

storm jungle
#

the others saying the opposite and trying to stop it

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

also yeah the redemptors are just hobos with guns

#

just recognized by Helmawr as to not cause trouble

true sentinel
#

You may be right I have only read the wiki pages on them

barren tapir
#

They once went full crazy and had to be put down, then they got permission to be left alone, as long they don't go up in the hive making problems

dusk patrol
#

Most of the lower level gangs are small fry in the grand scheme of Necromunda, compared to the highest houses and such.

true sentinel
#

Though they do have a preacher character who apparently can stir up a mob where ever he goes.

storm jungle
#

The Redemptor yeah

#

has his entire comic series

true sentinel
#

Not the redeemer, Klovis is different

dusk patrol
#

Somehow the machines keep churning stuff out despite the gang wars which permeate below, and Necromunda keeps being a stupid valuable wacky world.

#

Gangs can fight all they want as long as it doesn’t affect the bottom line of the world

celest dome
#

The gang house are the one producing stuff

dusk patrol
#

Yup

#

And as long as they keep that up, Helmawr doesn’t care

storm jungle
celest dome
#

Goliath is forged stuff
Esher chemical

storm jungle
#

which is KEK

celest dome
#

Van Saar high tech

dusk patrol
#

When that starts fucking stuff up, is when the Enforcers come in

celest dome
#

I hope we get to see the Necromundan Spyder once more

#

Like a Veteran team

dusk patrol
#

The IG regiment?

celest dome
#

Ye

dusk patrol
#

Yeah

#

We only have that one piece of old art I think

#

Probably not even canon anymore really

IMG_5370.jpg
#

I don’t think they were even called Spyders back then

barren tapir
#

Those aren't necromundan spider

storm jungle
#

Yeah they arent

#

these guys did get 2 officer minis though

barren tapir
dusk patrol
#

The arts so old it’s a moot point

barren tapir
#

This is a necromunda spider

dusk patrol
#

These guys predate they term even I believe in art

#

The arts probably older than most of the people in this discord lol

#

Might even be RT era or shortly after

#

I think the original spyder design ended up becoming the Cadian look partially, at least in the concept art books

#

There was this really cool collection of some of the original concept art for a lot of the regiments we know now

#

I think this is it

storm jungle
#

its the bottom two yeah

worn cargo
plush mason
#

yes

#

their tech leaks crazy amounts of radiation

#

so everything they make is more or less just a radium gun lol

barren tapir
#

Not crazy amounts, just enough

plush mason
#

if it leaks enough to shorten life spans. its a crazy amount

dusk patrol
#

Radium weapons are a whole nother deal

#

Literally making localized radiation storms

woven sandal
#

Radium guns are like in reactor 4 at chernobyl levels of radiation. Killing Skitarii that have been hardened against radiation in like half an hour kinda radiation.

chrome dragon
#

Why dont they just make servitors that fire it instead

dusk patrol
#

Because Skitarii are way more effective

#

And also, grimdark

#

Plus, they don't use Radium weapons lightly

final spruce
storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

And because while this is neat

unknown.png
#

I like this more

unknown.png
copper cliff
#

Ya don't like feet?

dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

They got that clampy ass feet

worn cargo
normal grove
#

BLUHD RHEAVANS are my favorite spess murines

minor lance
celest dome
dusk patrol
#

I don’t think it’s that fast but they do burn out fairly quick

#

Not sure if we get a time table though or if it’s consistent

storm jungle
#

Inconsistent mostly

#

because the admech codex presents literally

#

every

#

gun

#

as killing or damaging its user for jokes/grimdark

#

i dont blame the authors for ignoring the tidbits too much

dusk patrol
#

Yeah they have that one walker thing that does it too

#

It’s like, can we have a different gimmick plz?

barren tapir
#

Oh oh, let me point out that the archeotopter is one of such dumb design

#

And their tanks too iirc

nocturne jetty
#

Will we get more Psyker Staffs types?

#

Or only Force Stave

dusk patrol
#

Probably, not really clear right now

#

I would assume though based off how they’re doing variants

grizzled vine
#

one big question, how the hell can the Imperium of man accept mutants and tech modification, literal flying skull computers but scream heresy and warp on killer robot flesh assassin, while they have warp touched assassins? 😄

celest dome
#

You're gonna have to be more precise, what is the thing that isn't allowed ?

fair ravine
#

is the 20th legion loyalists or heretical

tired umbra
#

yes

plush mason
#

so. are the lyrics in the soundtrack high gothic?

fair ravine
#

Schrodinger's XXth Legion

storm jungle
#

the Alpha Legion has never made an attempt to help the Imperium in any way

#

people just like to meme about their allegience a lot

storm jungle
#

and whatever serves their needs at the time

fair ravine
#

yeah i assumed the hypocracy and irony was kind of the whole point

plush mason
#

the alpha legion lore i know has honestly given me a headache trying to understand it lol

grizzled vine
#

but then they turn around and sometime they just randomly draw a line and kill each other over it? 😄

fair ravine
#

yes

plush mason
#

yup

#

the imperium is a mess

grizzled vine
#

neat

storm jungle
#

They are traitors KEK

fair ravine
#

we think™️

storm jungle
#

nah

#

they are fully chaos alligned

grizzled vine
#

is the "emperor" was touched / augmented by the warp ?

fair ravine
#

what if they know something we dont

storm jungle
#

Rob Sanders' excellent Sons of the Hydra has a group that believe they're serving the Imperium by making it stronger. ||They turn out to none of them be original alpha legionnaires, and the original alpha legionnaires they meet are fully tentacled. One warlord is obsessed with killing ultramarines after Guilliman killed Omegon/Alpharius as Eskrandor. The protagonists are 'just' imperial renegades who read old Alpha Legion material and rebranded themselves.||

plush mason
storm jungle
#

that yeah we dont know because its left ambiguous

#

but its pretty much a lie most likely because Alpharius' tactic is making his enemies overthink

fair ravine
#

i'm alpharius, you're alpharius, we're all alpharius

storm jungle
#

Nah

#

im not cringe

plush mason
storm jungle
#

yeah the AL entire deal is making people overthink when the answer is right infront of them

#

BUT

#

I doubt they'd make an entire book a lie because that would just be stupid

fair ravine
#

unless it was written by an unreliable narrator of some sort

#

hmmmm

storm jungle
#

Alpharius says the story himself

fair ravine
#

i know lol

storm jungle
#

and both at the beginning and ending says it was a lie

#

so lol

fair ravine
#

thats what i meanm

storm jungle
#

I mean

#

like i said, he makes people overthink

#

he did the same with dorn

#

and Dorn saw through that shit

#

But either way it doesnt matter much since every AL Marine in lore is chaos alligned since writers cant do anything else with them.

plush mason
#

is it still canon that they where the only traitor legion to not flee to the eye of terror after the battle of terra?

dusk patrol
#

No they went there too

storm jungle
#

^

plush mason
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lol

fair ravine
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who are cooler

storm jungle
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After one of the twins died they all just went

fair ravine
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the dark angels or the fallen angels

storm jungle
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"EVERYONE FOR THEMSELVES"

dusk patrol
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Fallen have cooler colors

storm jungle
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Fallen are literally playdough

fair ravine
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alright thats all i need 2 know

dusk patrol
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Changing the Dark Angel color scheme was a mistake

storm jungle
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to be fair

plush mason
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what was their OG color scheme?

storm jungle
dusk patrol
storm jungle
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Black and grey with red highlights

plush mason
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thats badass

dusk patrol
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It’s so cool

storm jungle
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but I get why they changed it

fair ravine
dusk patrol
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Branding

storm jungle
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you dont want 3 founding chapters with black colors

fair ravine
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thats how u know they are evil

plush mason
fair ravine
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i like the hoods

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like if I was gonna paint an astartes model it'd be a dark angel

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instead i paint admech

nocturne jetty
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Ratling Class in DT?

plush mason
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maybe

nocturne jetty
plush mason
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best to assume no for right now tho

storm jungle
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I feel like I saw this 3 times today

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deja vu

celest dome
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Yes

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today even

nocturne jetty
storm jungle
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Lmao

nocturne jetty
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Evrey day repeats

cerulean wagon
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they plan to do classes, so i'd expect extra versions of vet/ogryn/psyker/zealot first

celest dome
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They don't want to do Squat because it would be Bardin but in space
Do you think it would have the same effect on Ratling ?

cerulean wagon
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i think any short race is out because the maps have been designed for the opposite scale

nocturne jetty
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LOL

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Hahaha

copper cliff
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tbh vet is already kruber in space so idk if bardin in space is a problem

nocturne jetty
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Ratling sounds good

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Squat too dwarf

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Maybe we wont see any Squats because Tyranoids ate them.