Liked by his peer but still looked at like he is a weirdo who is dooming everyone
#40k-lore-chat
celest dome
minor lance
That's not true at all
He made multiple othjer failed experiments
Seriously though, canonically he is just the world's most unlucky engineer. Who is also clinmically insane.
celest dome
The only thing we know he made was a rotative cannon on a chariot (Which already existed on ships) and the Goblin Hewer
minor lance
He invented thunderbarges iirc
That's how he became a slayer.
I believe he also invented ironclads? Though I'm not certain on that one.
His inventions are basically failed "first attempts at <X>" from actual history
Titanic and Hindenburg
celest dome
Both of those are not his invention, he made 2 of them but other holds had them
minor lance
Both of those are not his invention, he made 2 of them but other holds had them
I'm fairly sure the Thunderbarge is his
celest dome
And it's a Nautilius not an Ironclad
minor lance
Ahhh, was it? My bad
celest dome
He made 1 Nautilius, which sank (For example Hedda Bardinsdottir has one, maybe made by her)
minor lance
The Unsinkable, aye
minor lance
The one that blew up was technically really, really impressive as I recall.
Like, I remember it being very much noteworthy
It may not have been the first, but it was special. It's been yeeeaaars though.
celest dome
I think it was supposed to be a new class of Thunderbarge
minor lance
That may have been it
celest dome
But the second one was a more normal one
minor lance
Malakai was foreward thinking in his inventions, and very readical
|And the dwarf engineer's guild does not like that
Thinking on it, would he be alive during the events of The Old World?
If so, I really hope we see him get fleshed out
celest dome
No, I don't think he has given his age, but expediency of 400 year, and he was supposed to be quite young-ish iirc
minor lance
Yeahhh that was my worry.
Sad.
I want more Malakai lore.
Gone too soon, my mentally unstable friend.
celest dome
There were rumours that there was gonna be a descendent in fantasy, with most if not all the member of Gotrek's crew winding up in AoS
Still hoping we see a Bretonnian inspired faction in AoS. And a return of LotD in 40k. Though also rules to play a Living Saint Lord Solar Macharius of sort
minor lance
There were rumours that there was gonna be a descendent in fantasy, with most if...
I want to beliiieeeve
arctic talon
Still hoping we see a Bretonnian inspired faction in AoS. And a return of LotD i...
Aren’t the ghouls technically somewhat Bret inspired
hasty trellis
So seeing as we fight a lot of plague bearers and other nurgle-spawns, does it seem reasonable that its Nurgles voice we hear when Peril is too high?
tired umbra
Unlikely. You'd have to do something VERY special for Nurgle himself to even notice your existence. Probably just some demon.
worldly wolf
Unlikely. You'd have to do something VERY special for Nurgle himself to even not...
Agreed.
Some herald or even more likely a lower envoy
hasty trellis
Not too deep in the 40k lore, figured it could just be nurgle doing a mass mind-melting-broadcast to everyone fucking with the warp
worldly wolf
You could argue that by extension he is having influence over that space given most daemons are lower proxy extensions of their chaos gods will.
lofty wind
@vague flower https://youtu.be/VwLoEhgcyzc
plush mason
so when the rift opened did systems that where previously unimportant become important?
dusk knot
yes basically
there were systems that are on each side of the great rift guarding the "safe" path through the warp
plush mason
i see
so ordo mallius are called the daemon hunters, hereticus are the witch hunters, what are ordo xeno members called?
plush mason
thought so
crisp heath
thought so
did ya read eisenhorn?
plush mason
no
plush mason
no moneys for them rn sadly
and i had to use my bday gifts to replace my shoes and headset :/
nocturne jetty
Psyker Hmmmm
crisp heath
Psyker Hmmmm
yis
young venture
rose thorn
And mroe evolution over all
celest dome
Well there is the fact that they didn't in fact squat thr Squat
coarse mirage
Well there is the fact that they didn't in fact squat thr Squat
So the tyranids failed short of their goal?
celest dome
I guess ?
rose thorn
So the tyranids failed short of their goal?
Well not relaly, they just wanna eat bf they will end up eating them eventually
copper cliff
They really didn't reach the heights they intended
rose thorn
Less of ‘a nids winning’ and more of a ‘the squats not Losing’
crisp heath
Run me through the lore please
I know that we be prisoners that Inquisitor Raddick sends out to complete tasks to stop scabs from creating tanks or supply lines but never truly got ahold of the lore
storm jungle
Raddick?
Inquisitor Grendyl you mean?
and there isnt any plot yet, just 3 random levels
crisp heath
I keep heading Raddick
storm jungle
Nobody ever says that, im pretty sure.
crisp heath
i am not crazy xD
storm jungle
Might be his first name.
The characters refer to "Grendyl" too as the hologram person we see in the Rejects Will Rise trailer
crisp heath
i am most probably wrong
past steeple
I've learned of a race of abhumans called ratlings and I am so deeply disappointed that they aren't imperial sanctioned ratmen
crisp heath
Might be his first name.
The characters refer to "Grendyl" too as the hologram ...
I keep hearing Raddick from Morrow or Zola
storm jungle
They might be on a first-name basis in that case
the rejects do refer to the Inq as Grendyl
final spruce
No ratmen in 40k and anybody that says otherwise is coping hard
crisp heath
i did hear grendyl a bit and that caught me off guard
crisp heath
No ratmen in 40k and anybody that says otherwise is coping hard
Skaven exist in 40k
final spruce
Coping hard I see
crisp heath
Possibly
crisp heath
Ok, bit of a harsh thing to do
storm jungle
Death it is.
crisp heath
Bring Me Skaven Or Bring Me Death! xD
But yeah, skaven exist within 40k and fantasy
only saying this cause you can play skaven on tabletop for 40k funnily enough
atomic pelican
U cant
final spruce
You never could
crisp heath
Huh, but i played against the rats
final spruce
The only mentions of ratmen in 40k is a small story where eldars try to reach to other folks another dimension and end up contacting a nation of underground sentient rats
crisp heath
The only mentions of ratmen in 40k is a small story where eldars try to reach to...
Ok then, i'll leave you be in peace
sorry for coming here
final spruce
I mean true I've been a bit harsh but you've given us nothing to work with that says that skaven exist in the 40k world
Games Workshop has tried very hard ever since the end of the Rogue Trader era to make Warhammer and 40k their own settings, only sharing the Chaos Gods, with 40k having watered down only evil Chaos Gods
crisp heath
i wasn't trying to actually prove that they exist, i gave an opinion and loose facts that i've come across for that to happen
storm jungle
The only mentions of ratmen in 40k is a small story where eldars try to reach to...
Thats actually the opposite.
It was the skaven accidentally contacting eldar in the End Times
but the planet blew up so
rip
crisp heath
I understand that they be their own universes that 40k sometimes breaks into due to the grey knights grand master showing up once then going back into the warp as they canonically can interact with each other, Fantasy is a pocket universe that they can connect with
crisp heath
It was the skaven accidentally contacting eldar in the End Times
Oof, poor frog bois
storm jungle
Nah thats not true anymore
40k and Fantasy are not connected
its just basically comic-book-esque cheeky winks
crisp heath
Damn, retconned xD
crisp heath
one thing to say is that, piecing together the lore of 40k is nigh on hopeless as everything is told with a side of bias, the logs of the imperium are so messed up that not even guilliman can sort em, so at this point it's anyones guess as to how 40k works
unique berry
past steeple
Skaven exist in 40k
May I ask you to elaborate please?
crisp heath
Green Warpgates
barren tapir
Oh, not that again
cinder bay
crisp heath
honestly i am surprised the skaven hasn't said hello in 40k cause of how fucky they are xD
rancid sequoia
Heyo- so I don't have any idea what the warhammer universe is like; I've heard about it before but never really got into it as it seemed to be focused entirely upon the 'space marines' and I personally wasn't into the whole idea of dudes looking like shrek... Nothing against it and it's cool to see giant genetically enhanced humans fighting it out but when that's all I thought there is I kinda just zoned out.
However, with darktide my tune's changed as it looks to be a very interesting game- and the actual universe of warhammer/designs and art is something which seems to be super cool and fun to look at. I've preordered the game now after looking at gameplay, but I want to actually know what the hell is going on before starting the game so I don't miss out on all the references and lore that's within the game itself.
I tried to look at a video that explained everything by Leutin but even at the start he began to make references to terms and creatures that I didn't understand, and when I found his warhammer explained video series it was 100 videos long, and considering how I have a full school courseload this year I don't have so much free time as to watch all those videos by the time the game comes out.
Does anyone have like a list of videos that'll get me caught up to speed on what I should know before darktide comes out?
dusk patrol
Oculus Imperia is pretty good
Most 40k YouTubers just read the wiki pages which are often out of date.
It’s a lot of stuff though is the issue
I’d try to look up stuff on hive worlds, Nurgle, and Ogyrns/the Guard
final spruce
Bricky is decent enough if you understand that he memes alot and that you are ready to take what he says with a bit of salt
dusk patrol
If I had to guess some of these guys are gonna be making videos tailored to Darktide leading up to its release
final spruce
I believe Luetin was commissioned by Fatshark to make one , but its 1 hour long and stuff I already know so amimir
crisp heath
Heyo- so I don't have any idea what the warhammer universe is like; I've heard a...
really for the lore of the game itsself all you really need to know is what the imperium of man is, what the inquisition is, and what the races and jobs are of the classes you play as
oh and what the adeptus mechanicus is
outer apex
one thing to say is that, piecing together the lore of 40k is nigh on hopeless a...
they are like experiments
outer apex
Skaven exist in 40k
i meant to reply this message
Sry
uneven tide
Heyo- so I don't have any idea what the warhammer universe is like; I've heard a...
Short answer: there are no good guys everything is fucked
Slightly longer answer:
uneven tide
Bricky is decent enough if you understand that he memes alot and that you are re...
Entertainment > Accuracy....... and he's just a little guy 
lyric ember
What is a group of orks called, like a chaos warband
uneven tide
Thinks there's a multiple names but I think most of the time it's "boyz" or a mob
Or I prefer to call it; usually a large area to target with artillery.
Or probably more I it's big a warband..... usually orks are kinda of in Clanz? Aren't they
past canyon
Hi I don't know shit. How canon are orks? Are we talking like mainline or something closer to parody?
dusk patrol
Need to expand more on that
They’re very canon
But there’s a lot of inaccurate memes about them though
The gestalt field being the main thing
crisp heath
The gestalt field is very real, but it's meme'd into oblivion
arctic talon
It exists but doesn’t work like the memes
dusk patrol
The gestalt field is very real, but it's meme'd into oblivion
That's my main point
People vastly overstate how much it can do
weary veldt
just youtube chaos misunderstand the orks, and I think it does a better job of explaining it
random summit
Most 40k YouTubers just read the wiki pages which are often out of date.
Most lore channels in general do this the only standout I can think of is Tex talks battletech
full bane
Heyo- so I don't have any idea what the warhammer universe is like; I've heard a...
A simple way to put it is that it's a Space-Fantasy setting taken to the most dystopian extremes where Humanity is a sprawling, dysfunctional regime that emphasizes the worst of humanity and is struggling against myriad existential threats, the foremost of which is the malign corruption of demonic foces from space-hell.
dusk patrol
Also there's space Ogres who are creatively called Ogryns.
full bane
Actual lore primers try to cover a wide range of topics and that takes hours upon hours. There's thirty over years of lore, some of which are contradictory and even the canonical sources are biased against each other.
full bane
There's also spaces Elves called the Eldar Aeldari, space Orcs called Orks, space Dwarves called Squats, Demiurg or Kin, and space Egyptian Skeletons called Necrons.
unborn gust
space humans called humans
dusk patrol
Space Egyptian robots skeletons who have a prominent leader who is very very creatively named, Imotekh.
unborn gust
Space Egyptian robots skeletons who have a prominent leader who is very very cre...
nah. Szarekh is the true king
unborn gust
Doesn't Imotekh hate fighting orks cause theres no logic to them
dusk patrol
Yeah its his weakness
Which is dumb as fuck
But whatever
Especially because they do have a logic to their attacks
Some don't, but many do
unborn gust
i mean, how else do you counter a master strategist but with no strategy or planning
dusk patrol
Like, the logic can be as simple as they wanna fight in close quarters, so you exploit that.
full bane
It's not a setting you should take too seriously, even if it does take itself too seriously.
Like this is a setting that started out by riffing on 2000 A.D., Dune, Lord of the Rings, Alien, and a whole bunch of other old Sci-Fi properties.
dusk patrol
i mean, how else do you counter a master strategist but with no strategy or plan...
Be part of a massive ancient empire which kicked the ass of the ancestors of said Orks millions of years prior.
Oh wait
Uh
Have more dakka
Got it mixed up
unborn gust
paint yourself red
full bane
And while it's gotten more serious, the writing still has its roots in the original pitch.
This is a setting where Ferrus Manus (a man named Iron Hands), lead a legion of transhuman soldiers called the Iron Hands. Also his hands are made of Iron, and his soldiers cut off their hands and replace them with cybernetics so they too can have Iron hands.
unborn gust
i legit forget about ferrus manus
full bane
Or where Canis Wolfborn from the Space Wolf chapter rides a giant Thunderwolf into battle alongside have Wulven brothers on the planet of Fenris.
unborn gust
Somehow the Kahn is more memorable
unborn gust
Or where Canis Wolfborn from the Space Wolf chapter rides a giant Thunderwolf in...
Don't forget the Space Wolf dreadnough WolfFang murderborn or whatever its called
dusk patrol
And while it's gotten more serious, the writing still has its roots in the origi...
Don't forget the name of his flagship
The Fist of Iron
unborn gust
*murderfang
dusk patrol
Most lore channels in general do this the only standout I can think of is Tex ta...
Yeah he's good too mostly
full bane
Tex does have the issue where he goes off on a half-hour tangent about the age of war, though it's still good content.
Him, Big Red 40k, and Sven Der Plank all manage to avoid reading straight from wikis or books for the most part and actually either extrapolate new conclusions or present their own opinions on the subject matter.
At least on the BTech side of things
limber pivot
anybody know the lore of the mortis veteran frame im just curious what it is referencing
dusk patrol
I believe its just supposed to be in memoriam of the fallen who defender the hive prior.
arctic talon
@final seal it isn’t so much keeping the daemons out as a big WE ARE ORKS sign
It’ll let daemons inside in theory
But daemons usually steer clear of it
final seal
ORK SIKOLOGY
languid crypt
Orkz got big brains
crisp heath
Im here to talk about sororitas and be a lesbian
And I'm already a lesbian
Orgz have builded the greatest underground cities
Also temples like Krushak Sanktuarium
Or Swamp Ruined Temple
celest dome
Im here to talk about sororitas and be a lesbian
What do you think about the Sister of Silence
outer apex
Dyeing hair white intensified
now
celest dome
The only way I could join the Sororitas would be as a Penitent Engine
mossy mortar
Instead of gellar field, ork ships have teeth on them
celest dome
Ork ship don't need Gellar fields as they want to fight so the Deamon are a welcomed distraction
brittle nebula
plush mason
so how did the Sabbat crusade end?
dusk patrol
Imperium victory
plush mason
so blood pact where wiped out?
dusk patrol
I know their leader got kill and a lot of them died, idk about wiped out though
storm jungle
so blood pact where wiped out?
Magisters Skara and Asphodel escaped the destruction of the Chaos armies on Balhaut, and would pose future threats. A significant amount of the main Chaos force escaped and scattered all over the nearby systems, causing much hardship and damage as they retreated. Many worlds were sacked or even destroyed outright as a result, such as Tanith
On his deathbed, Slaydo named Macaroth as his successor to Warmaster, upsetting many of his Lords Militant, who regarded Macaroth as too young and too junior an officer to ascend to the position. A period of political in-fighting amongst the highest echelons of the Imperial Crusade force would take place over much of the next year
dusk patrol
Also, this is all potentially subject to change.
plush mason
> Magisters Skara and Asphodel escaped the destruction of the Chaos armies on Ba...
i see
so do the blood pact still exist as a scattered threat?
or was this so long ago in the setting that they are all gone now
storm jungle
Yeh probably
plush mason
i only learned of the pact recently but how long ago was it in the setting?
dusk patrol
> Magisters Skara and Asphodel escaped the destruction of the Chaos armies on Ba...
This happened like midway through the crusade.
storm jungle
Yeah I know
dusk patrol
Not sure on the exact timeline but it continued on for awhile, there’s this dude named Carnhide I think who ended up killing the Blood Pact leader and that caused them to scatter
But once again, a lot of this is subject to change.
Potentially at least
plush mason
isnt that true for all 40k lore tho?
storm jungle
isnt that true for all 40k lore tho?
Its mostly due to the books still being ongoing
dusk patrol
isnt that true for all 40k lore tho?
Like EW said not really, it’s just the Sabbat crusades overall story was done a long while ago when Abnett first starting writing the series
storm jungle
Abnett is just busy doing HH stuff atm
dusk patrol
And he’s since moved forward with it a lot. He could easily just keep the story the same though.
plush mason
i see
dusk patrol
So maybe then well see how this guy actually gets killed
My condolences to whoever has to suit him up
minor lance
What do you think about the Sister of Silence
Incredibly awesome. Buff on TT pls ty. (Just give us some SoS-specific subfaction, GW, pls QQ)
unique berry
So maybe then well see how this guy actually gets killed
Damn that ls an epic armor
mossy mortar
Ork ship don't need Gellar fields as they want to fight so the Deamon are a welc...
Travellin' through space is boring. Well, boring unless da hulk yer on is full of dem gene-sneakers, or a base fer da chaos lads wiv da spikes, or already has Boyz on it. Or if humie lootas come callin', that's always good fer a bit a sport. Or unless yer have a mutiny or two to pass da time, or unless strange fings start happenin', which dey usually do when yer out in da warp. One time we had some bloody great ugly fing come straight out of Weird Lugwort's 'ed! It butchered half da lads, that was pretty entertainin'. Come ter fink of it, space is a pretty good larf. And that's before yer find yerself a nice world ta crush!
dusk patrol
Damn that ls an epic armor
His tailor said “just tell me when” for adding spikes, and Gaur walked away and never told him to stop.
unique berry
His tailor said “just tell me when” for adding spikes, and Gaur walked away and ...
definitly looks like it
mossy mortar
Eh he's only a little more over the top than say The Shredder
pastel schooner
I found a good pic of the Trapper's gun, and I think it's a different kind of Webber Gun
mossy mortar
pastel schooner
here we go
dusk patrol
Fuck that thing
full bane
I found a good pic of the Trapper's gun, and I think it's a different kind of We...
That is 100% a Webber
It being modeled similarly to the existing art gives me hope for the more exotic RPG-exclusive guns to show up.
pastel schooner
though, it's not just a webber
note the ammo, which seems to be a front-loaded mesh net
full bane
Yeah, there's some kind of weights/taser portions that hold the target down while stunning them. But the canister and shape of the gun match up really well.
pastel schooner
I'm guessing it is a pattern that more resembles a net-gun that poachers use than the fluid-based net often depicted
dusk patrol
Probably modified to deal with an Ogryn
storm jungle
Yeah, there's some kind of weights/taser portions that hold the target down whil...
Yeah its why im glad they included it
kinda makes it easier to explain how it could incap an ogryn and the like
dusk patrol
Still bullshit that it works on an Ogryn but maybe the Ogryn is just pretending
plush mason
Still bullshit that it works on an Ogryn but maybe the Ogryn is just pretending
the trapper likely sets the charge to "holy shit he big" before firing at the ogryn
celest dome
Or the Ogryn is claustrophobic and is freaking out when netted
dusk patrol
That might be it
plush mason
maybe both
full bane
its why i said im glad they established its taser-like
The Ogryn getting reeled in like a prize catch is hilarious though.
fierce pendant
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583630047189925889/1031591687006453760/Da...
storm jungle
I too freak out when I approach the net-climb-things in a gym
fierce pendant
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583630047189925889/1031591687006453760/Da...
Honestly this is how FS will hook line and sinker krieg fans with death korps cosmetic pack
dusk patrol
Where’s my “strangle that little bitch trapper” dlc
plush mason
the krieg fans after seeing the shovel combat
storm jungle
lmfao
also ngl id love the webgun as weapon
just net the Captain and beat the shit out of him
plush mason
yes
storm jungle
worn cargo
That thing has team wiped no way they’re giving that to us
storm jungle
god it really does
its amazing how a single trapper can destroy an entire team without trying ngl
arctic talon
Give it to a veteran class
dusk patrol
I hope they nerf it a bit
arctic talon
Just have him blast someone with a net lol
dusk patrol
Make it so it’s temporary or it can only net one person at a time
As it is now it’s a little silly
worn cargo
It’s worse because it doesn’t even take like any specials, poxwalker makes it better, but one trapper and a good horde makes it nigh improbable to pick up 2 dudes even with the 2 seconds if you’re not paying attention
arctic talon
Wut
worn cargo
And then it takes you with it?
plush mason
its amazing how a single trapper can destroy an entire team without trying ngl
fucking net goblins. easily my most hated foe
fierce pendant
its amazing how a single trapper can destroy an entire team without trying ngl
And sounds like she's having fun while doing it. I thought you're supposed to be a miserable piece of shit in warhammer, yet she's out there having fun. No wonder the rejects gun her down on the spot.
worn cargo
Veterans are totally made to spot out those types of like, god tier enemies
storm jungle
And sounds like she's having fun while doing it. I thought you're supposed to be...
"ANOTHER ONE FOR THE COLLECTION HUEHUEHUE"
"NO NO IM ON A POINT OF NO RETURN EDGE, PLEASE-"
worn cargo
SHE FUCKING MOCKS YOU TOO ITS SO BAD
plush mason
And sounds like she's having fun while doing it. I thought you're supposed to be...
she?
dusk patrol
It sounds like a grill
storm jungle
Yeah the specials got 2 genders
worn cargo
IVE HAD HER DRAG MY ASS OVER WITHOT NOBODY AROUND AND ALL SHE DID WAS TALK SHIT.
storm jungle
some can be a guy or a woman lmao
fierce pendant
O didn't hear the guy at all
plush mason
lol i never noticed
worn cargo
That’s pretty sick
plush mason
well actually i did. but only in the voice
worn cargo
She’s so MEAN :(
fierce pendant
i never came across the yandere one
lip smack So it means you let the special get close if you heard the variation, so lip smack you're bad at game sorry.
Wait shit you didn't came across the other one nvm
Joke failed
plush mason
arctic talon
When I hear “another one for the collection” and turn around and see a trapper and a horde of poxwalkers
storm jungle
No idea, I just wrote "net gun" in gifs lmfao
plush mason
shit i know it but i cant remember its name
dusk patrol
*lip smack* So it means you let the special get close if you heard the variation...
Tfw someone gives you the very original advice to “listen to the sound cues” when your complaint was you couldn’t hear them in the first place
fierce pendant
lmao true
storm jungle
plush mason
the stuff of nightmares
celest dome
Psyker in my head, Psyker in reality
vagrant shore
POV: Your Vet sucks and can’t kill specials
skill issue
upbeat dragon
Are nurgle followers supposed to be more durable? Is this because they are low ranking followers or is it a gameplay thing?
celest dome
Depend, those we fight are Chaos follower, but it doesn't mean they have any real boon from Nurgle
dusk patrol
Generally the lowest level aren’t gonna be very special
celest dome
So they aren't prestigious enough
dusk patrol
The Plague Ogryn is more an example of the “gifts”
rocky dune
I mean, you can chunk off half of a maulers face and he keeps coming, so I assumed that was part of it
They aren’t more durable yet, they just won’t die and don’t really care
dusk patrol
That’s just the bath salts
rocky dune
Just built different
keen nova
The shotgun in Darktide is so sexy. Whoever did the animations for this game deserves a raise. Reminds me of something though, why doesn't the guard employ shotguns on mass? I'm assuming they are pretty cheap and it would be a nice answer to those get in close big fleshy enemies. https://youtu.be/vRu6i6QBLYc
Guardsmen with the M4, what will he do?
tired umbra
Because lasguns are easier to maintain
tired umbra
Lasguns also don't jam
vale trellis
keen nova
Think the pellets might not do as well against Ork slab armor or Bug Citen?
keen nova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaXdSdwRH20
CADIA STANDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSS
Sorry, I had to get it out of my system
full bane
The shotgun in Darktide is so sexy. Whoever did the animations for this game des...
Lasguns are like the ideal mass produced weapon for military use. Standardised and easy to produce, ammo that can be recharged by leaving them in the sun, ability for soldiers to operate outside supply lines, and easy to train with due to basically being hitscan, having no drop and little recoil (explained in some lore as a sudden gas expansion caused by the laser superheating air around the barrel).
The Imperial Navy get the mass manufactured shotguns because pellets are better for not breaching ship doors or hulls.
dusk patrol
They’re also generally stronger than autoguns
vale trellis
rocky dune
Lasguns are far more general use, I know a lot of Catachans are shown using shotguns, but usually those are specialist units. A lasgun will perform much the same in most situations, which is important when you are arming an army spread out so far
nocturne jetty
Darktide Ranged enemies are stronger than Melee?
full bane
They’re also generally stronger than autoguns
Kind of? They pack more bang per power pack but the Autogun can churn out the pain much quicker. Shot for shot I believe they're roughly equal (outside of overcharge firing modes/charge packs).
But the logistical advantage is insane.
dusk patrol
Well it depends on the autoguns but Lasguns we have them blowing off chunks of flesh and blowing off arms and heads.
And they can be fired rapid fire if need be
The issue being “autogun” is a really really wide range
Same as stubber or heavy stubber
But typically they’re shown to be the superior option when people are given the choice
Terms and conditions apply
keen nova
And they can be fired rapid fire if need be
At a lower power setting yes?
dusk patrol
Depends on how long you want the cell to last
forest leaf
gauss rifles are pretty cool and I also like the gatling laser/plasma caster
keen nova
Same as stubber or heavy stubber
Also, what are stubbers? Aren't they and autoguns just normal firearms?
dusk patrol
But generally they’re not pumping it up to the max yeah, although even lower levels can make you’re head Swiss cheese
full bane
Mechanically they're pretty equal. Tabletop has them noth at Str 3 AP - and the RPGs had them at 1d10+3 damage Pen 0.
Lorewise it's pretty similar as well, a well placed lasgun shot causes third degree burns and blasts off chunks of flesh while an autogun riddles you with very lethal bullets.
They're definitely more advanced than stubguns at the least, caseless and high caliber rounds being the general description I've seen.
dusk patrol
Also, what are stubbers? Aren't they and autoguns just normal firearms?
Stubbers tend to be a higher caliber generally
But it’s not always consistent
They can both be the same thing sometimes too
Heavy stubbers are basically .50s or LMGs
keen nova
But it’s not always consistent
40k in one sentence lol
dusk patrol
Yerp
keen nova
Big gun good
dusk patrol
There’s also stub guns which can just be like a pistol
full bane
Meanwhile regular stubguns run the whole gamut of guns.
dusk patrol
Yup
full bane
There was one in a novel stamped with the USSR stamp, implied to just be an AK that somehow survived to the 41st Millenium.
dusk patrol
God forbid 40k just say “pistol” or “assault rifle”
At least Abnett gives them names
Like Hecutor
dusk patrol
He do be
keen nova
And Rachel Harrison
full bane
God forbid 40k just say “pistol” or “assault rifle”
Aelpistolii
A'ssa Ult gun
Gotta make it copyrightable.
dusk patrol
Pistolicus Biggus Caliberius
full bane
Sloppity Assaultery Gunpiper
keen nova
Just copyright GW copyrighting stuff, GG. Dude killed a lotta people in my town by making them suffocate or with endless dept. (He copyrighted them breathing)
Pewtus Pewvian
Shootus
dusk patrol
It’s not a Rocket Launcher, it’s a Sparky Sparky Boom Boom Device
full bane
No Rockets.
Only Rokkit Launchas
fierce pendant
Sportacus
tawdry walrus
And his arch nemesis, ultramarine Chaddius
crisp heath
Well it depends on the autoguns but Lasguns we have them blowing off chunks of f...
You can do the same with an autogun, hell IRL guns can do that
minor lance
Just had a thought... In a sense, one of the more lenient necron dynasties is probably like... A pretty good deal for their vassal.
celest dome
Surely
minor lance
Comparing it to control under the Imperium or Tau, and obviously far better than Chaos, eaten by Nids, etc.
celest dome
I think the Silent King is supposed to be ok with non Necron, as long as they don't you know, enter the tombs proper
arctic talon
Tbf he’s also building blackstone pylons that sorta suck peoples will to live out
But that’s more so to deal with the warp
minor lance
I think the Silent King is supposed to be ok with non Necron, as long as they do...
SK is, yeah. There's some fluff about him maybe sanctioning human experiments for biotransferrenance back into squishy bodies. And there's even more lenient dynasties than him.
Some literally just want to rule the galaxy again. As long as you're ruled by them, they really don't care.
There's obviously the "Kill all humans" sects and dynasties and such but like...
Hey, luck out and get one of the more chill ones and you won't get executed on the spot for saying "Maybe killing people for thinking juuust a tiny bit is bad?"
minor lance
Tbf he’s also building blackstone pylons that sorta suck peoples will to live ou...
How much info do we have on these btw?
arctic talon
How much info do we have on these btw?
A lot actually
In the necron codex and some other books
minor lance
Huh! I gotta crack open my cron codex again I guess
I've heard about them but know basically nothing
unique berry
lost sentinel
so when the veteran activated his ult, he'd sometimes say "bastion 10-22", anyone know what that means?
next willow
just him shouting out the specific combat stance he's taking. bastion whatever number is probably it's designation in whatever training manual or whatnot he learned from
fallen nymph
"Just like we did on Sepirus Prime" A classic from the Kasrkin from DoW1. What or where is this illusive Sepirus Prime, what happened there?
iron tangle
I don't think there is a Sepirus Prime in the wider lore tbh, I think it's likely just a random bit of dialogue with no real lore to it
languid crypt
Loike da Ogyrn talkin about Komlar
crisp heath
hi
languid crypt
'Ello fellow 'umie
storm jungle
"Just like we did on Sepirus Prime" A classic from the Kasrkin from DoW1. What o...
It's just a random line.
fallen nymph
oh I know, I'm saying it in reference to Bastion 10-22. Like it's just a throwaway thing that will never be expanded upon most likely
Sorry, the "What happened there?" was meant to be said in a rhetorical way
storm jungle
Damn 😩
vale trellis
plush mason
so i have a question. the miracles of the emperor that can sometime be manifested by sisters of battle. are they something a lone sister could pull off by herself?
storm jungle
Yep
if it helps they are basically deus ex machinas
they can happen under any condition, just make some good excuse for it
worn cargo
Oh yeah the champion with purpose & the badass sword and she gets like, basically chapter master status don’t she?
storm jungle
Hm?
worn cargo
Doesn’t the chosen sister of battle go through like this whole special ritual after channeling the emperor?
Or am I misremembering something
plush mason
Yep
lol. so the coming soroitas class in inquisitor martyr may just be the most lore accurate class in the game XD
storm jungle
Yes lmao
storm jungle
Doesn’t the chosen sister of battle go through like this whole special ritual af...
Oh yeah
but mostly like its just random prayers
plush mason
didnt the sisters of battle power swords in dow1 have a golden power field?
is that color of power field even a thing in the over all lore?
i have literally only ever seen blue
storm jungle
Nah its blue
you might be mixing it with their glowing units of fallen sisters you can recall
plush mason
maybe
its the canonist's powersword that had it
but yeah the SoB was the only faction in dow1 with power swords that used that golden aura
true sentinel
Doesn’t the chosen sister of battle go through like this whole special ritual af...
That’s the Black Templars
They have an Emperors champion who receives visions from the emperor and is double checked by the chapter’s chaplains
arctic talon
@half aurora Unfortunately for you
plush mason
They have an Emperors champion who receives visions from the emperor and is doub...
and then is given some strange weapon called the black blade if they pass iirc
true sentinel
The Black Sword.
They have many copies but the original one on their flagship the Eternal crusader is the original blade of Sigismund himself, captain of the imperial fists who became the first Black Templar after the siege of terra
half aurora
<@110908952417415168> Unfortunately for you
unreliable source
plush mason
isnt said source a kroot?
arctic talon
Yes
true sentinel
lol. so the coming soroitas class in inquisitor martyr may just be the most lore...
Inquisitor martyr is getting a sisters dlc?
arctic talon
his like
plush mason
Inquisitor martyr is getting a sisters dlc?
yes
plush mason
ye
arctic talon
all it really tells us is they have big claws
plush mason
ye
arctic talon
and they don't look like the super fucked up thing he got
plush mason
ye
humble solstice
To be incredibly reductive, Kroot see humans as fleshy apes, if an ape had big ass claws, that would be your biggest and maybe only distinction between one dead ape and another
plush mason
given that the rogue trader that found the felinids and then named their world after himself has more or less been removed from the canon at some point i doubt we will ever get any real info about the felinids
plush mason
I might just pick that game up, could I start the game as her?
any time between tomorrow and the 31st of December lol
rocky dune
So I know about servitors, but what are machine spirits if AI aren’t allowed?
Are they just replacement AI?
Some are semi sentient, I know that
arctic talon
So I know about servitors, but what are machine spirits if AI aren’t allowed?
Basic modern AI is allowed Abominabal intelligences aren't
Also the admech does use AI like things
with the legio cybernetica
Machine spirits are more like imprints of someones soul on an object they've used
there's a ton of different things a "machine spirit" is
plush mason
Basic modern AI is allowed Abominabal intelligences aren't
modern AI?
dusk patrol
What we consider AI
plush mason
oh
dusk patrol
Abominable Intelligences are beyond what we consider AI
plush mason
ofc today's fake ass "AI" would still be allowed
plush mason
we dont have AI
dusk patrol
Abominable Intelligences are typically a step beyond that even
dusk patrol
we dont have AI
I’m aware
I mean what we typically think of as AI if we could make it
plush mason
so beyond a true sapient AI?
dusk patrol
It’s a weird line but yeah sapience isn’t the only thing
arctic talon
Sapient AI is def in abominable intelligence territory
but it alone doesn't make an abominable intelligencce
its why Legio Cybernetica robots are allowed to stay around
dusk patrol
So do you know Halo?
plush mason
yes
dusk patrol
You know how there’s smart and dumb AI?
It’s similar to the difference between those two things
plush mason
idk why this surprises me. the ad mech are a joke that sing hymns to computers
dusk patrol
But even then some machine spirits skirt the line
The main thing to remember is there isn’t a “Ad Mech”
There’s a shitton of factions within
Who disagreed hard on how to do things
arctic talon
The admech also ironically do know what they're doing technically
they know the processes to fix things
they just don't know why it works
dusk patrol
Which to be fair they’re completely in the dark for a lot of it
arctic talon
have you seen NASA and Boeing irl lol
they've forgotten how to make some of the shit they need technically
dusk patrol
It’s like I handed you a smart phone, and told you to remake it, only giving you a ruler and some pen and paper
plush mason
they just don't know why it works
ye they have the knowledge but no actually comprehension there for they simply have to guess till it works
dusk patrol
Dark Age tech is wild stuff
dusk patrol
They build their legos with the manual
plush mason
They just do everything in the manual
ye but they cant really understand what the manual is saying afaik
arctic talon
Yeah
Depends
they have a good idea how a lasgun works
but like a warlord class titan
yeah
plush mason
tbh that lack of actual understanding is likely why they are so religious about tech
humans almost always default to religious when dealing with things we dont understand
dusk patrol
Dude as someone who works with machines and tech
I’m spiritual about that shit half the time
plush mason
case in point lol
arctic talon
b ruh
I literally appease one of the servers at a place I used to work at
by giving it a snack
or rather I just put a bag of it
on top of it lol
plush mason
we all do it. there is not a soul that uses the internet that hasnt begged their pc to work with them at least once
the human brain was literally never made to deal with things like most modern tech so it just cant adapt to them and thats where all of this comes from really
full bane
as a true AI is literally a digital human what more is beyond that?
Are you familiar with Artificial General Intelligences? Stuff like the Culture Minds and other fictional AI that can recursively learn at an exponential rate?
The fear of AI amongst both real life and fictional societies tends to depict them as far more than just an artificial human. It's something that can improve its own cognitive abilities, improve its own hardware and software, and generally advance far beyond what humanity thinks as human in a matter of minutes.
Picture an artificial mind that can do a decade's worth of human thought in a second, that can model and predict the actions of every human based on past behaviours within a couple of hours of booting up.
When you look at the high end of theoretical AI capabilities it's easy to see why the AdMech fears it.
Of course their law against AI is also derived from the Dune law against AI, which isn't exactly elaborated on but could also be a case on DAoT people relying so heavily on AI that they cannot comprehend the maintenance, working, or operation of day to day equipment without them, leading to any AI strikes or revolts causing the inability to use or operate most technology.
plush mason
the admech fears it due to the near forgotten men of iron. hell a lot of why they still fear is due to the "it has always been this way" crap we humans have always done
full bane
Given what we know of the Men of Iron and the Dark Age AI, the reason is somewhere between the two.
plush mason
and its funny that the Votann lore about the iron kin is literally just the common sense answer to all fears about AI. just treat it like an equal and it has no reason to hate you. simple as
plush mason
The fear of AI amongst both real life and fictional societies tends to depict th...
the funny thing is. such an AI would quickly move past all the logic flaws we humans suffer from and would become a none threat simply due to it have 0 reason to bother with us one way or the other
full bane
the admech fears it due to the near forgotten men of iron. hell a lot of why the...
Dogma starts with a reason. The modern Mechanicus may have forgotten it, but they had a reason to fear AI originally, and a reason to classify narrow sentiences like the Titan "machine spirits" and the Legio Cybernetica robots differently from general AI.
Plus the continued existence of the legio cybernetica shows they do at least engage with the tech at the most basic level, careful not to advance it in any way.
full bane
and its funny that the Votann lore about the iron kin is literally just the comm...
Consider this though, the Leagues are subservient to their AI. They are crafted in vats by the AI masters and rely on said AI for knowledge.
They've got a functioning society and things are working out much better for them than the Imperium, but from the Human-supremacist and deterministic point of view of the Imperium, the truth of the Leagues would seem a horrific one.
full bane
the funny thing is. such an AI would quickly move past all the logic flaws we hu...
Except what if we are a threat.
What if humanity was say... psychically active, and said psychic ability was escalating past the AI's ability to understand and letting in things that corrupt flesh and technology alike.
plush mason
Except what if we are a threat.
What if humanity was say... psychically active, ...
given the stated power of this AI it would seek a cure to the human problem that would ensure mutual protection for both parties. cooperation is always more logical than competition
full bane
There's a lot we don't know about the DAoT, so most of what I'm saying is conjecture and speculation, but the rise of psychic activity amongst humanity and the start of the Men of Iron turning on people is normally mentioned in the same breath.
plush mason
imo the men of iron turned on humanity simply due to the fact that humanity treated them as slaves
i dont think the warp and any effect on them at all
always remember that 9 times out of 10 humanity is the reason for humanity's problems
hell in warhammer that 1 time it wasnt humanity fucking itself over was when the eldar fucked over the whole galaxy and made slannesh happen lol
full bane
Okay, so from the old core rulebooks, M22 to M23 is a general point when humanity develops notable psychic potential. The old core rulebooks describe widespread daemonic possession, anarchy, the betrayal of the machines, and the war with the men of Iron all occuring at the same time.
And the few Dark Age AI we encounter have a deep respect for the Humanity of that era.
The Spirit of Eternity also refers to the galaxy at large as "Warp-Poisoned" and beyond saving.
While the conflict might have occured due to a myriad of reasons, I feel that the stuff in the lore points towards the proliferation of psykers, the unstable nature of the warp, and perhaps ideological differences between the Dark Age AIs and Dark Age humanity in how it should be suppressed or harnessed.
plush mason
now did all the AI turn on humanity or was it a more realistic rebellion?
full bane
It's not clear, but by the end of the Age of Strife humanity had destroyed their AI counterparts all but completely.
plush mason
so they could have just crushed the rebellion and in typical fashion betrayed the AI that helped them. sadly we will likely never know
tbh. if all of humanity's weapons where controlled by AI in DAoT the only way humanity could have won is if a lot of said AI stayed loyal to them
full bane
Dark Age is pretty whack so a lot of things might happen.
We see a snippet of the war against the Men of Iron in one of the books, with them deploying planet killing ships and machines called sun snuffers that could unfold and envelop entire suns. Grey goo scenario nanobot swarms, and far more were the the Men of Irons disposal.
If you go back to the 3rd Ed rulebook there's the Journal of Keeper Cripias, which presents some really interesting facts.
Specifically that the Men of Iron did not war with humanity itself.
Instead they fought against the Men of Stone, another artificial race that was hardy, less creatively inclined, but had superior engineering knowledge. The Men of Stone and Men of Iron are equals and colonise the galaxy for humanity, and then sometime between the 23rd and 25th Millenia, they war with each other and annihilate both sides.
It's only mentioned like two or three times throughout the entire 40k library of lore, but it's also one of the only sources that described the founding of the Dark Age and the Men of Iron's place in it.
dusk patrol
The thing with the dark age too is probably all of those things happened
It wasn’t one faction
There was a lot of different groups
It probably tentpoled into one by the end but it almost certainly started as different factions just doing different things
full bane
Yup, there's a whole variety of worlds in the Horus Heresy who seem to descend from very different and distinct groups.
It's unlikely to have been a unified regime like the Imperium is.
quick patrol
Heyo guys!
I have a question. With the new Guard models dropping, are the old Lasgun models retconned? (Again here. Posted it in bookclub the first time by mistake💀)
@full bane interesting
full bane
Looks like the Kantreal lasgun to me.
Which old lasgun models are you thinking about by the way?
fierce pendant
^
quick patrol
But wasn't it heretical to "upgrade" weapons?
The ones from the current Shocktroops pack
Im just seriously curious
full bane
Yeah they're the same gun from the looks of it. New model just has more detail.
celest dome
But wasn't it heretical to "upgrade" weapons?
The ones from the current Shock...
Depend on the modification
quick patrol
Ahhhh!
quick patrol
Yeah they're the same gun from the looks of it. New model just has more detail.
Thanks! I just was thinking about mixing them or replacing them
Depending on the lore*
full bane
But wasn't it heretical to "upgrade" weapons?
The ones from the current Shock...
Not exactly. The Mechanicus has a stranglehold on technological advancement, and while "to break with ritual" is heretical, what counts is a subject of debate amongst the Mechanicus.
quick patrol
Hmmm, i understand!
full bane
The power armour used by the Astartes for example is something iterated on across the centuries, with Mk8 and now Mk10 showing up, and many forgeworlds have their own distinct pattern of Lasgun, Autogun, and the like. Often with unique traits and properties.
quick patrol
So, it is not lore braking at all to mix old and new minis? I also noticed that Darktide also now uses the "new" Lasgun and guard helmet
slow rampart
No
full bane
One of the various sects of AdMech belief is that all of technology available to humanity already exists, and that they are simply rediscovering it, and optimising that which they already know to be closer to the ideal version of that technology. It's this idea that the Omnissiah holds the sum of all knowledge humanity has, and will ever know.
So to them, making a better lasgun isn't heretical because you aren't deviating from the sacred template set forth, but instead taking the flawed template you found and bringing it closer to what the Omnissiah intended.
(Not all AdMech groups will agree with this though)
slow rampart
Darktide has multiple Lasguns anyways, and the ones featured in the new Cadian shock troops are likely just an expansion of their ability in plastic molding and can be handwaved as Cawl and his Admech having a go at giving them better weapons and a mix of Cadia having no homeworld from which to draw their original weapon plans from
full bane
So, it is not lore braking at all to mix old and new minis? I also noticed that ...
Not at all, odds are it's the same lasgun anyway.
quick patrol
Thanks!
grim ledge
honestly it's kinda funny that a bunch of penal legion convicts are getting some of the gear in this game. iirc force swords and staves are actually super rare and one of those things only being made in specific places. it's the kind of weapon you'd find in the hands of a primaris psyker or named character, not some death row schlep.
vast frigate
Consider that inquisitors get their hands on nearly everything
Paired with gear retrieval actions from onboard mechanicus members
celest dome
honestly it's kinda funny that a bunch of penal legion convicts are getting some...
Rarity depend mostly on the sector you're in
Like most rpg games are set in one of the sector that the IoM is kinda broken, so they can't procure every thing they could
grim ledge
that does make sense, i was going off a mixture of rpg and tabletop, but i suppose if we're basically throne agents at higher trust levels...
i could've also made this point with thunder hammers, although i think those are a little more common
timber basalt
What about the shields that the rejects and the (so far) heretic captain use? Is there a name for it and how rare is it?
storm jungle
What about the shields that the rejects and the (so far) heretic captain use? Is...
Mostly officers use it
not everyone gets them
timber basalt
Okay, so it's not that rare
storm jungle
Yeah its mid-tier
Anyone can get them if the plot deems it but its usually for "boss type" people
celest dome
I don't think k the reject (Player) have those, Toughness isn't really explained iirc
shadow plover
it was in one of the dev blogs iirc
each archetype has it's own explanation for it
Zealot = faith to the emperor protects them
Vet = Flak armour
Psyker = kinetic shield
Ogryn = doesn't notice the damage
grim ledge
is it possible the traitor captain uses a conversion field? I noticed that him rebooting his shield knocks rejects away. although the lore and effect doesn't match exactly, a normal field doesn't do that i think
storm jungle
Yeah basically at the end of the day its just a personal shield
the knockback is most likely for gameplay purposes but a shield breaking usually does a big effect in some books
plush mason
so i take it the poxwalkers are still "alive" kind of?
plush mason
so its like head crabs
rose thorn
Exactly
Except the pox walkers believe they are doing perfectly fine and are under the illusion of nurgle
plush mason
ok i wasnt sure
rose thorn
some in the beta where begging us to help them
Ah makes sense,
plush mason
never thought Inqusitors have (Psykers)
Psykers becoming inquisitors is actually not that rare afaik
celest dome
Being a Psyker does give them a leg up
plush mason
ye. investigations are a lot easier if you can just read all the suspects' minds
celest dome
To be honest, being a (rather strong, or hella weak) Psyker is quite a boon
celest dome
Crusader, Death Cult Assassin and Psyker
unique berry
Crusader all the way
rose thorn
I keep forgetting death cults are a thing
I always just assume they are uh,,
Assassins
unique berry
I mean they are
nocturne jetty
Darktide Rogue Class?
rose thorn
I mean assassinorum assassins
unique berry
A Rouge class? In the scenario of a Hive City full of Nurgle dosent make much sense
atomic atlas
Eversor assassin makes perfect sense
nocturne jetty
Hmmm
atomic atlas
But they won't add it because I do not think that counts as an unaugmented human and it would be rather unfair 😂
tired umbra
Yeah an Eversor would be turbo OP. And they would also just kill their teammates
So it wouldn't make sense.
atomic atlas
And everything else in the map... in about 60 seconds
nocturne jetty
Hmmmm
atomic atlas
Okay okay... but at least give me a Zealot subclass that likes combat drugs?
unique berry
Yeah an Eversor would be turbo OP. And they would also just kill their teammates
I have the feeling team killers will be a thing anyway lol
tired umbra
You literally couldn't do damage to your team in the beta.
And an Eversor would just start swinging the moment he'd be let out of his pod
unique berry
There is a way with the explo barrels wasnt it
unique berry
And an Eversor would just start swinging the moment he'd be let out of his pod
I know the lore fucking beasts
atomic atlas
You can kill your team in any way that isn't shooting them
I mean, lots of creative ways to fuck the team
I hope people are chill
nocturne jetty
Eversor would be OP?
tired umbra
Yup
unique berry
Yes
atomic atlas
An eversor could kill a space marine
nocturne jetty
Sounds cool
atomic atlas
Yeah that
tired umbra
Without the Marines even having a chance of hitting it
atomic atlas
They are... inhuman
tired umbra
Basically a turbo augmented super soldier pumped to the gills in combat stimulants and whatever else the Imperium has cooked up.
unique berry
https://youtu.be/_ZUHr8lMWDQ
@nocturne jetty
tired umbra
Kept in stasis outside of missions and then being dropped down to an enemy location.
When you absolutely need to kill everyone in the area RIGHT NOW.
atomic atlas
Essentially human tactical nukes
Except that they survive odds that space marines would assess as certain death
tired umbra
Absolutely
unique berry
Way more
atomic atlas
Well
nocturne jetty
:OOO
atomic atlas
Maybe depends on the psyker
storm jungle
^
atomic atlas
Ravenor?
unique berry
They are the top of the assassins
storm jungle
A powerful psyker can just pick up an eversor, kill it, then throw him away
most would be dead tho yeah
nocturne jetty
Are there many Psyker types?
storm jungle
Yes.
tired umbra
Generally speaking an Eversor is probably one of (if not the most) the most dangerous things the Imperium can send at someone.
atomic atlas
Just look up Gideon Ravenor if you want to know about the rare high tier psykers
unique berry
They even exploed when they die
atomic atlas
I too would love to embody spite even in death
unique berry
Is Ravenor the best psyker or just one of the best?
tired umbra
Not the best
storm jungle
Magnus literally can turn your inner organs to bronze
atomic atlas
Yeah but magnus doesn't count as a dude
tired umbra
Magnus totally counts as a dude
unique berry
Magnus literally can turn your inner organs to bronze
Well thats cool
atomic atlas
A literal daemon prince
atomic atlas
Supercedes "dude"
unique berry
Vulkan didnt like it as much
tired umbra
Even before becoming Tzeentch's favorite red boi. He would have still beat the piss out of Ravenor
atomic atlas
Oh sure
unique berry
I mean he is a Primarch after all
atomic atlas
If you consider a primarch to be even comparable to a human psyker
unique berry
Nah i dont lol
unique berry
Elder who
unborn gust
Do y’all think magnus was more powerful than malcador
tired umbra
Nah.
atomic atlas
I'll acknowledge the Eldar when GW acknowledge them and them be in a show or game
tired umbra
Still counts
storm jungle
atomic atlas
Doesn't count
unborn gust
Can’t count
nocturne jetty
Ordo Assasinatus pls
tired umbra
I mean then none of the factions have EVER been in a game or show if we can just arbitarily remove games from the list
God I wish we'd get a game with a Space Marine in it...
unborn gust
God I wish we'd get a game with a Space Marine in it...
A game with space marines? That’s absurd. How would that even make money
Who on earth likes space marines more than humans
unborn gust
Necrons best
atomic atlas
I mean, I wouldn't even consort with the imperium if this game wasn't so good
unique berry
Nah Astara Militarum
storm jungle
I mean, I wouldn't even consort with the imperium if this game wasn't so good
Thats why the real chads pick Sedition
worn cargo
https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280
Is this where all the Darktide space marines are? 
atomic atlas
Drukhari and CSM for me
nocturne jetty
Were gonna fight Space Marines in Darktide?
unborn gust
Were gonna fight Space Marines in Darktide?
Hope not
celest dome
Mechanicus 2, but you have 2 campaign, one where you play as Admech, and another where you play as Necron
storm jungle
Were gonna fight Space Marines in Darktide?
Devs have said no to any loyalist or traitor marines.
unborn gust
It’ll be nice having an imperium game without space marines
atomic atlas
I would LOVE for darktide to have chaos corrupted war gear like in DoW2
unique berry
Were gonna fight Space Marines in Darktide?
We wouldnt survie lol especially Deathguard
unborn gust
Devs have said no to any loyalist or traitor marines.
Still leaves alpha legion available
unborn gust
Cause they often use regular humans
storm jungle
Eh maybe
unique berry
They are traitors
Are u sure? Jk
storm jungle
id rather not since they are lame 😔
storm jungle
Are u sure? Jk
💀
unborn gust
Are u sure? Jk
Nah. They are alpharius
atomic atlas
Like a chaos corruption system for characters that came with benefits and drawbacks would be fun
celest dome
A Death Guard SM would be same level of threat as a Plague Ogryn
atomic atlas
And I am Alpharius, so you can't be
tired umbra
A Death Guard SM would be a way bigger problem
unborn gust
Hope I can fight Nurgle in Darktide
tired umbra
I hope i can kiss Khorne
unborn gust
And I am Alpharius, so you can't be
I am alpharius. You are omegron
unborn gust
I hope i can kiss Khorne
Arm wrestle slaanesh
atomic atlas
I would prefer... another kind of wrestling with that one
unborn gust
Are alpha legion traitor or loyalist. Right answer only 
atomic atlas
They're all alpharius
nocturne jetty
Darktide vs Eldari
unique berry
I would prefer... another kind of wrestling with that one
No stop da horny
storm jungle
They have done nothing to ever help the Imperium too
nocturne jetty
I would prefer... another kind of wrestling with that one
I would prefer killing enemies in Darktide with this character
Kill Kill
unborn gust
>poisons an entire agri-world with snakes for lols
I was just about to reference that lol
storm jungle
the BDSM club is down that way
unborn gust
Can’t believe that’s canon
unique berry
Well u know there is a game Inquistions Martyr
storm jungle
Its great
nocturne jetty
Well u know there is a game Inquistions Martyr
Yes
unborn gust
Mfers made it ran snakes by making people think about snakes
nocturne jetty
Looks cool
worn cargo
unborn gust
https://tenor.com/view/steamed-hams-aurora-borealis-what-is-happening-fagetti-wt...
Nothing conspicuous
atomic atlas
Notice, they make the first 40k game that puts you at ground level (which is what a huge portion of people want) and now I just find myself wanting every race and every war gear in one shooter
I should say the first in a while
unique berry
Like a Battlefront in Warhammer would be legendary
atomic atlas
Literally. But if total war is any indication, it's practically impossible to have that much shit in one release
unique berry
Well dlcs are a thing tho
atomic atlas
Right, just pointing out that they combined three full game releases to include every faction finally
unique berry
I love it lol
atomic atlas
I feel like you definitely can write a working premise for a multiracial alliance in 40k
unique berry
Isnt Tau Empire multiracial?
atomic atlas
Like, for instance, an Eldar warlock, imperial guard sergeant, ork mekboy, and a tau all get teleported to a demon world in the eye of terror
Don't even fucking tell me they can't briefly work together for the purpose of a game plot
And yes, though I was more referring to the factions that hate eachother
nocturne jetty
Squats return also ?
nocturne jetty
Squats return also<:Guarded:972247035128447086> ?
40k Dwarfs
unique berry
No squats
unique berry
Yes
atomic atlas
Demihumans?
barren tapir
Squats return also<:Guarded:972247035128447086> ?
Kin*
unique berry
Dilara knows more
barren tapir
It is a shame that the Kin get bolters too, it would have been better if the bolters remained the emperor unique design that were stated to were
Bolters as a weapon from the Age of Tech make no sense whatsoever
celest dome
??? Why not ?
Every thing the Emperor "made" was basically stolen or tricked from somewhere else
barren tapir
Because they are brutal weapons made to be used as hammers too, not exactly refined like all the tech of that age
atomic atlas
Yeah wouldn't it make more sense for then to use volkite weapons?
rose thorn
I though their guns were magnetic bullshit
celest dome
Because they are brutal weapons made to be used as hammers too, not exactly refi...
You do know that Bolter weren't made for SM initially
barren tapir
Every thing the Emperor "made" was basically stolen or tricked from somewhere el...
Oh, don't misunderstand me, i wouldn't be against him developing something from something from the Age of Tech, just that the bolter don't match the high level of tech that such age had... Now, coild guns or rail guns would fit that theme
barren tapir
You do know that Bolter weren't made for SM initially
They were, at least the imperial designs, own emperor design
barren tapir
much more than Autogun
No doubt on that, at least the gyrojet that bolters use, otherwise they are on the same level
atomic atlas
And volkite weapons were designed with ceramite armor in mind
barren tapir
Yeah wouldn't it make more sense for then to use volkite weapons?
Yes, also this
barren tapir
I though their guns were magnetic bullshit
Some are, like the magna rail sniper rifle
rose thorn
Ah
barren tapir
It is, in fact, a rail gun
atomic atlas
So if the squats are an offshoot of humanity from that long ago, do they also have working STCs?
barren tapir
Like, a coil gun is arguably better than a bolter, and if we go the mass effect route then also extremely better for logistics, since you don't need as big bullets or huge amount of material for such bullet but more energy, which an advanced race like the kin wouldn't have problems to get
barren tapir
So if the squats are an offshoot of humanity from that long ago, do they also ha...
Yes, each league has its own STC
atomic atlas
Holy shit. Then it's already one of those weird cases of "the only reason they haven't already retaken half the galaxy is that the timeline never moves"
barren tapir
Kinda, it is because those STC take a long ass time to give answers, that is how they limited them
atomic atlas
ooohhhh ok
unique berry
didn't they got fucked by the Hive fleets
atomic atlas
Like they're old and malfunctioning
barren tapir
didn't they got fucked by the Hive fleets
Not all, if that is still canon, which i don't think it is, since it wasn't mentioned in their new lore afaik
unborn gust
Kinda, it is because those STC take a long ass time to give answers, that is how...
And they only keep slowing down
They see the stcs and it’s AI as their gods right?
atomic atlas
That's super cool lore. Now I am gonna have to do a deep dive.
unborn gust
I think each league has an AI and STC they worship as a god
barren tapir
They see the stcs and it’s AI as their gods right?
Eh, they don't really see them as gods, that is a way to make them grimdark because GW is a coward, they revere the Votann yes, but not exactly in a religious way
atomic atlas
A malfunctioning AI as your god would still put you a fair bit ahead of some other races
unborn gust
But because they’ve been using them for so long the AI’s memory is starting to fill up and it’s slowing down
Going from answering questions in a matter of seconds to sometimes taking decades if not centuries
From what I’ve learned
barren tapir
But because they’ve been using them for so long the AI’s memory is starting to f...
Which is kinda BS, since the STC were made to self correct themself, but GW isn't coherent with itself sooo
unborn gust
Which is kinda BS, since the STC were made to self correct themself, but GW isn'...
True. But it’s also been like 10,000 of constant use
atomic atlas
I can see it now. A Squat asks his AI 'What is the meaning of life?". The answer is recorded, a hundred years later, twenty years after the asker's death
barren tapir
True. But it’s also been like 10,000 of constant use
They are capable to remove info that aren't needed, they were made to last, they were made to not need maintenance for how info were managed
unborn gust
Like if you asked your phone what’s 2 + 2
Now it’s basically takes centuries for simple questions
unborn gust
They are capable to remove info that aren't needed, they were made to last, they...
I mean. It’s also possible they’ve suffered damage and can’t fully function
atomic atlas
So does that speed also apply to item fabrication?
barren tapir
I mean. It’s also possible they’ve suffered damage and can’t fully function
Van Saar STC is repairing itself while interfacing with the entire hive...
unborn gust
Van Saar STC is repairing itself while interfacing with the entire hive...
Idk what the van Saar is
atomic atlas
A noble house of Necromunda, right?
unborn gust
Only stc ai I know is the one who bullied a tech preist for preforming a ritual and locked all the space marines in place
barren tapir
A great house of Necromunda yes, not a noble house though
atomic atlas
Only stc ai I know is the one who bullied a tech preist for preforming a ritual ...
That excerpt was so cool
barren tapir
They are descendant of settlers from the age of tech that got time displaced
unique berry
Not all, if that is still canon, which i don't think it is, since it wasn't ment...
Kinda boring if they actually changed it
barren tapir
Kinda boring if they actually changed it
I disagree, it changes nothing if it is still in, and doesn't change anything if it get removed, nids still gonna nid
unborn gust
My boy Cryptman did nothing wrong
barren tapir
Kryptman
unborn gust
Kcryptman
unique berry
Why is the gun connected with the backpack is it the type of gun or what?
karmic dune
that's a "hotshot lasgun" which is overcharged in order to be more powerful and pierce armor, because of this it uses a backpack power supply instead of the smaller individual power packs used by lasguns
unique berry
Thx for the info
full bane
They were, at least the imperial designs, own emperor design
We've got some mixed info on that, even in the Horus Heresy novels.
On one hand, one of the first contact Human civs in False Gods has bolters as well, implying a Dark Age origin, and the Lion El'Johnson Primarch novel has a Firewing Librarian use an archeotech Heavy Bolter that was used by the Men of Iron.
On the other, we're also told Bolters are a terran invention and first showed up in a more primitive form amongst the Emperor's armies and his Thunder Warriors, and the Emperor shows his custodes a vision of him engineering the first Bolter sometime pre-unification in Master of Mankind.
unborn gust
Isn’t it also cheaper to manufacture as opposed to high quality powerful weapons.
So it’s quantity over quality
celest dome
Nothing stop the Emperor from having lied, wouldn't be the first time he take the achievement of other
full bane
Isn’t it also cheaper to manufacture as opposed to high quality powerful weapons...
It's less a case of cheaper and more of the infrastructure I believe. Bolt rounds and bolter seem to require a good amount of craftsmanship and the ammo is both expensive and not easy to produce... But they can be made by a variety of tech-levels, so you can set up factories for them faster without needing to uplift a civilisation to a higher tech-level (or in the case of some higher end weapons, give the planet to the Mechanicus and let them set up huge forge complexes just to get your guns).
unborn gust
It's less a case of cheaper and more of the infrastructure I believe. Bolt round...
It’s also if it’s broke don’t fix it. No need to make it more advanced if it does the job well enough
full bane
Yup, though the Legions did downgrade from Volkite for it.
unborn gust
Quicker to produce was probably a huge benefit when you’re in a galaxy wide crusade
full bane
didn't they got fucked by the Hive fleets
Yup, the Kin colonies outside their core holdings got mostly eaten by Nids. The League that was completely devoured was the Emberg-Aegnir League. In the old lore, the Emberg League of the Squats was one of the named groups.
dusk knot
gonna elaborate on what I said in #darktide-memes but basically trench warfare is useless when you factor in the technology available to the imperium, even things like cars and aircraft which allow for quick movement and deployment mean that it's kinda useless to commit a large number of troops to a battle line on a planetary scale, let alone space craft and space borne bombardment
full bane
The new lore is that the Kin are highly isolationist, and the Imperium has assumed they were completely wiped out from their conflict with the Tyranids, bar Squat enclaves on Imperial worlds like Necromunda (who aren't really part of the Leagues anymore), once contact was remade, they identified a few different Leagues as completely seperate Xenos races, including the Demiurg, Heliosi, and Gnostari.
full bane
gonna elaborate on what I said in <#735819155608961044> but basically trench war...
I think part of the reasoning with Trench warfare in particular (and by reasoning I do mean excuse, most of these won't hold up to scrutiny just like most things in 40k) is the sheer disparity in tech between one world and the next. You can land on one planet where the natives have castles and lob stones at you, and the next place you arrive at everyone and their mother has hot-shot lasguns and plasma. Occasionally you find the real oddities, like a planet where the castles are protected with high grade naval void shielding and the men has las-locks instead of muskets and Imperial Knights. It's why regiments like "horseback archers in space", "trench warfare in space" and "knights in full plate riding actual horses" can all show up in the same setting.
dusk knot
I'm arguing in the case of the astra militarum
barren tapir
We've got some mixed info on that, even in the Horus Heresy novels.
On one hand,...
Yeah, i know, i was referring to exactly that
full bane
The other common reason in the novels has trench warfare happen when assailing a "thing" with a huge amount of air defences and probably some kind of unassailable void shield. Starve them out attrition warfare happens quite often in 40k.
dusk knot
The other common reason in the novels has trench warfare happen when assailing a...
big space gun go boom
even then you can have attritional warfare without full ww1 trench warfare
barren tapir
Trench warfare is always seen as wasteful and last ditch effort, even by the imperium... The fact that it happen is that sometime the enemy has to way to counter it, so the imperium use its resource bonus to crush it without needing to divert more advanced resources to such fight
full bane
Yeah, i know, i was referring to exactly that
Yeah, it's a mixed bag and I think there's enough anecdotes of pre-Imperial bolters for the Kin to have them too.
full bane
big space gun go boom
Macrocannon shells are expensive, troop transports don't come with Lances all the time. Human lives and lasguns on the other hand, are cheap.
barren tapir
Yeah, it's a mixed bag and I think there's enough anecdotes of pre-Imperial bolt...
I find it strange, when they could go for energy weapons like volkite or grav weapons, or coil guns too, coil guns would be stronger than bolters in any way...
I think it is just GW wanting to push bolters as weapons, since that is the poster weapons of WH40K
dusk knot
Macrocannon shells are expensive, troop transports don't come with Lances all th...
a shell is always cheaper than a person and their gear and their upkeep
full bane
I think it is just GW wanting to push bolters as weapons, since that is the post...
Yeah, that's the pretty clear Doylist reason. They do use Ion, Rail, and Volkite, and Grav weapons as well.
barren tapir
There is no reason to have a rail gun next to a bolter imho, if you can make railguns you can just make them and bolters would be a backward weapons anyway
I mean, we already have coil guns in the ranks of the "imperial" forces, the fact that the Kin don't and instead use bolters is extremely funny for me
full bane
The fact that we don't have lore on how Autoch bolters work annoys me, I miss the old armoury pages that explained why each weapon was special.
barren tapir
The problem is GW don't know jackshit, and most of the time they mess up with internal mechanics, like lasgun recoil