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storm jungle
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Miss Joan watch out

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that flame dragon is choking you

crisp heath
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300 degrees hot šŸ”„

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there's a conspiracy theory that her liege let her be captured because she's gaining more popularity than the crown

rose thorn
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Wjat?

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Gotta love how Joan of arc got an entire fucking 40K based off of her

languid crypt
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please exfoliate

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extrapolate?

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extraplate

rose thorn
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The sisters of battle

random bone
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Don't you go dirty talking my darlings.

languid crypt
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eh, partly

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also Amazons and generic holy warriors

storm jungle
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^

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also uh

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Madonna i think?

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was hot atm popularity wise

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its why they all got platinum hair

rose thorn
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Ah

languid crypt
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speaking of witch

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My 10 year old sisters Bday is tommorow

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I bought her a Sister Palentine

rose thorn
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Does, she even know what warhammer is?

languid crypt
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she wants to paint it purple. Bit of an issue for da boyz

languid crypt
rose thorn
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Oh let her it doesnā€™t matter lmao

languid crypt
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but da boyz can't see 'er

rose thorn
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OHhhh

plush mason
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lmao

languid crypt
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wass we gunna shoots at?

plush mason
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everything else

rose thorn
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Where did that joke come from anyway

languid crypt
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you'ze evva seen a purple ork?

plush mason
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the purple orks thing?

rose thorn
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Yeah

plush mason
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its from the fact there is no canon ork tribe that uses purple afaik

languid crypt
rose thorn
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Ahhhhhh

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OH ITS REFERING TO THEIR COLOR SCHEME NOT THWIR SKIN COLOR

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OHHHHHHHH

plush mason
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ye

rose thorn
languid crypt
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exaclty. Nevva seen one, cauz dey's all sneaky-like

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also I'm not certain Genestealers can infect orks

rose thorn
languid crypt
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cause they don't exactly have genetics-oh

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I see

rose thorn
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And there was an official conversinn on guide in a recent white dwarf I believe

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YuP

languid crypt
rose thorn
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To be fair itā€™s a digital kitbash

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And I have yet to see anyone officially follow the guide

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And itā€™s also literally ā€˜slapping GSC arms on orksā€™

languid crypt
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Da foinest of kitbashes

rose thorn
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And it was made with killteams specifically in mind

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Hey whatā€™s the earthā€™s moon doing atm in lore

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Anything going on in there?

languid crypt
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I think it's just there

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There was some fighting on it back during Da Big Backstabbin

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ok, grug go to sleep

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Goodnight peoples

humble solstice
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Or a schola ground for like, assassins, I can't remember what moon got which

gloomy jacinth
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I legit forgot that Cadia Cadisn't anymore, it was a staple for so long

round cedar
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šŸ˜”

junior delta
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yeah it was a staple for like a decade lol

minor lance
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Reject Cadia. Embrace extermination protocols.

void topaz
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No tannith breaks my heart but I guess that's fair

dusk patrol
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Well itā€™s been destroyed for hundreds of years by the time this game takes place

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Even if they founded a new planet, thereā€™s only like a few hundred of them left

ripe ravine
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untrue

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first: GW retconned the Indomitus Crusade time jump. there are still cadians serving in the most current setting who were born on Cadia

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second: per the latest lore from the Kasrkin kill team release, billions of cadian troops were stationed throughout the galaxy when cadia fell. as more cadian born troops die in battle, they are replaced by descendants or soldiers from other worlds

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it's estimated that over 36 worlds in the Imperium are named something that translates to "New Cadia"

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given they just previewed a brand new range of cadian models for the tabletop cadians will be around for some time

celest dome
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And most world are populated by people who have liberated it (Kinda like the Roman Empire did it). So even before the destruction of Cadia, there were many planets that we similar to it and followed it's traditions

ripe ravine
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^

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these cadian descendants make up most of the regiments' casualty replacements

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it's a great mark of honor for a non-native Kasrkin to receive the Caducades Sea Eagle tattoo

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there definitely was a time though when it was true that they blew up cadia and time jumped. very understandable mistake, even GW eventually realized oh shit we just killed off our main imperial guard model range and made lore adjustments

celest dome
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And they retconned the time jump, so the Plague War either didn't happen, or it happen at the same-ish moment as Cadia's fall (Still uncertain on that)

ripe ravine
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the Plague War still happens, but it's only 10 years later

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not a century

shadow plover
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yeah dark imperium trilogy is still canon

ripe ravine
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I read those books when they first came out. Guy Haley had to legit go back and edit all the timeline references

shadow plover
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they rereleased them with the timeline fixes

ripe ravine
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so it's only been like a decade or two since the fall of cadia and primarch's return

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depending on when exactly the game is set

arctic talon
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Itā€™s post Cadia going boom is the only timeframe we have

shadow plover
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and that indomitus crusade has begun

ripe ravine
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fun facts about calendars in current 40k: the great rift broke time. planets have different experiences of how long there was unrest before it happened. most new time references are local measures of how many days/years before or after the great rift it is

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because it's no longer consistent

shadow plover
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yeah and it gets worse the closer the rift you are I recon

arctic talon
celest dome
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So is the Death Guard Plague war going on currently ?

shadow plover
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it could be, but it might be just before it as well

ripe ravine
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thankfully there's very little time travel in 40k and when there is its always a closed loop

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the calendar civil war* is called the Chronostrife lol

barren tapir
ripe ravine
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okay yes, that's fair actually. there is a lot of forward time travel (fleet gets lost in the warp, shows up X years later) and a few examples of closed loop stuff like the ork

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where it was always "fated" to happen that way

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time travel is hard to do well so yeah I'm glad GW hasn't awkwardly fumbled with big plot elements like that

shadow plover
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Once again, The Infinite and The Divine did everything right and that included time travel

barren tapir
celest dome
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Am I wrong or was there a Tyranid Blood Bowl player at some point ? (And a short story where some Blood Bowl player are transported on a world which is falling to the Tyranid durign a match)

shadow plover
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sounds odd because blood bowl is fantasy

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but could be, I'm not too well versed in it

dry epoch
rotund quiver
royal coral
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Wait, yesterday, someone said that anyone who finds out the throne is fucked and going to seize in a 100 years will be killed, and then I asked who knows the throne is fucked, and response was, just the reader. Then who kills those that find out?

ripe ravine
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the dark eldar

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they know, but ain't telling

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every imperial character who knows is dead though

royal coral
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Aaah

ripe ravine
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it's approximately 100 years too

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could last a few more centuries but it's failing Soon

spiral raven
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Hi, Iā€™m a first timer for anything Warhammer. This game might be the door for me to get into the lore, but a question. Iā€™m more to a singleplayer guy. Can I play it as a single player?

ripe ravine
coarse mirage
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Playing Darktide reminds me why I like orcs and tau so much more than the imperium. One knows to have fun and the other isnā€™t completely miserable either,

ripe ravine
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like Vermintide the story will be experienced through the multiplayer maps

spiral raven
ripe ravine
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there aren't cutscenes or dialogue that you would be pressured to skip through so I'd still try it out and see if it's fun for you

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or rather if there are cutscenes they probably won't be connected to the matches

graceful hound
unique berry
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Wait why did they contacted Dark Eldar for such a thing?

ripe ravine
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because humanity has forgotten how the golden throne works and the dark eldar are pretty clever

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it's a very controversial decision made in secret

unique berry
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And are there Dark Elder willing to help or?

ripe ravine
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in exchange for some fucked up demands

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but negotiations as you might expect ultimately do not end well

unique berry
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Very expected

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Thanks for telling me šŸ¤²

ripe ravine
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no problem

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from the dark eldar's perspective, humanity is a useful meatshield against chaos

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and they have ulterior motives for wanting to get a look at the throne

unique berry
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Makes a lot of sense

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But at least Teraa has the Custodes and the sos so they got a back up plan

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I heard about an elite guard unit that also guard the palace of terra

full bane
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Imperial Technology that interfaces with Psychic Powers is pretty rare and an often forgotten technology, while most of the Eldar techbase is built on psychic manipulation and control (doesn't apply so much to the Dark Eldar, who have stunted their own psychic abilities to avoid drawing the attention of she who thirsts).
Less known except possibly to the most highly positioned of those who maintain the Golden Throne is that it's also built above the Imperial Webway.

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Or what's left of it anyway.

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But the whole mechanism is hinted to have been based off Eldar tech in some form, probably their pre-fall stuff.

celest dome
ripe ravine
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yeah Palatine Sentinels are another

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but Lucifer Blacks probably have the most infamous rep

full bane
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Parts of the Old Hundred regiments do Palace Guard duty as well.

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Oh and not guard but don't forget Legio Ignatum, who leave at least two warlord titans outside the gates.

ripe ravine
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fun yet insane custodes fact: they will go out and capture xenos or chaos followers and release them in the palace so they can "practice" defending it

full bane
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The Imperial Palace is very very well defended.

ripe ravine
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yeah not even mentioning the Imperial Fists who were genecrafted to be defensive siege experts

full bane
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That's when they've not been wiped out of course.
hits the Last Wall protocol again

ripe ravine
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we don't talk about the Beast Arises šŸ˜›

unique berry
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To be fair if the Iron Warriors had concentrated themselves on the Palace it had fallen Perturabo was the mvp of the siege

ripe ravine
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the Iron Warriors are very much the Fists' dark mirror

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offensive siege experts

unique berry
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Thats why its the best rivalry within the Space Marines

ripe ravine
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tragically I think Perturabo wanted to be more like Roboute, but he was too good at his job

limber pivot
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Now for Darktide when I choose misplaced faith does that mean Iā€™m a satanist or choasist or does that mean Iā€™m agnostic

ripe ravine
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it will give you a little bio at the end of character creation, but basically you were accused of religious deviance

dusk knot
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literally anything that isn't believing in the emperor

celest dome
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Some heretic still beleive in the Emperor

ripe ravine
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worth noting that if you go by the bios your character was imprisoned for stuff as minor as "not getting out of the way of an official fast enough"

unique berry
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The thing that sealed it the burning of Olympia my man just had to talk to the emperor such a shame

ripe ravine
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a lot of the heresy can be explained by the emperor being a lame dad

unique berry
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Yup

storm jungle
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It's bad writing.

unique berry
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100%

storm jungle
unique berry
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In just read stuff about the emperor's separs and i gotta say they are pretty interesting and i love that they said they wont welp the ultramarines anymore

plush mason
unique berry
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Like that? Lol

plush mason
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more or less lol

arctic talon
plush mason
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how i imagine most of the imperium stans will react to the pettiness of the reject's "crimes"

arctic talon
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Lmfao

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I mean the imperium is a shit place to live

plush mason
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not to them lmao

arctic talon
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These crimes are pretty in line with what it looks like

plush mason
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yeah they are

arctic talon
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Donā€™t salute thatā€™s a flogging

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Disrespect officer thatā€™s a flogging

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Donā€™t listen to officer thatā€™s a penal regiment assignment

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Honestly some of the character origins sorta deserve being sent but a vast majority of them are like

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Eh

plush mason
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hell in the imperium just doing 1 thing wrong can be enough to land you in prison

arctic talon
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Yeah

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The loner psyker says some uh

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Sus things a lot of the time

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Like corpse emperor or Your emperor

plush mason
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whats funny is

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the imperium more or less admits the emperor is a corpse

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they just claim his soul is alive not his flesh

arctic talon
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Lol pretty much

dusk patrol
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Several of the character personalities implies they did a lot more than their backstories present to earn being imprisoned.

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Like one of the Zealots burned down a hab block

round cedar
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lore wise would it be reasonable for a skitarii to be in the game as a reject? perhaps just one of the tech preistess' cohort?

minor lance
dusk patrol
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It would be very unlikely

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A Tech priest is more likely

minor lance
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One thing a lot of people asking for a Skitarii don't quite get is that Skitarii have like... Almost 0 self-will.

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They're bound to their techpriest

dusk patrol
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Well, some don't.

round cedar
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i just want a low level mechanicus character

dusk patrol
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They're not consistent

minor lance
dusk patrol
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But typically, they're absurdly loyal

round cedar
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also Tee from Echoes of Eternity had some good self will but tons of indoctrination

dusk patrol
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The Mars standard is not the same as the others

minor lance
dusk patrol
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Oh lol

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Then yes

minor lance
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:P

dusk patrol
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My mistake

minor lance
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nah you good, dw

round cedar
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is there any mechanicus representative that could be among the rejects then?

dusk patrol
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Tech Priest

minor lance
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Basically a Tech Priest, yeah

round cedar
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accused of tech heresy i guess'

minor lance
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That's the best bet

dusk patrol
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Low level one, but its more reasonable

round cedar
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tbh i though tech presits were generally higher level

minor lance
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A low level tech priest would have very few modifications

dusk patrol
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There's a massive gap in their potential station

minor lance
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I think they have an unofficial term like "Techolyte" or something silly

dusk patrol
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Some are basically just electricians, and it goes all the way up to just before they become a Magos

minor lance
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But they may have been retconned

dusk patrol
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There's a big gap

round cedar
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thatd be nice then, a low level tech preist with 1 or 2 bionic limbs and maybe a robo eye

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just want a mechanicus character as future dlc

dusk patrol
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Plus the customization could be really cool

minor lance
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We need a Cryptek Reject. Make it happen

dusk patrol
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I hope we do get one

minor lance
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Damn the lore and the balance

storm jungle
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Its less lore and more that you need to add 3 more voice actors to an already busy cast among other things.

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Also if the class is broken the veteran mains will complain

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They already hate anyone that isnt a guardsman

minor lance
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I have already come to the conclusion that the Veteran mains are going to be this game's elf.

storm jungle
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The elf is fine

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i had way more friendly fire from stupid bardin mains

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oh yeah also saltz

minor lance
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To be fair

storm jungle
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But yeah the vets suck

minor lance
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Those GF pistols are everything but accurate

storm jungle
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šŸ’€

dusk patrol
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I suspect we're not playing the current build they're working on, and there's gonna be a lot of changes.

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Hopefully not copium

storm jungle
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šŸ‘©ā€šŸ¦¼

dusk patrol
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But also Vet will probably be improved by more weapon options in the full release, and probably will get some buffs.

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The psyker in the only one I can see them nerfing from the current build.

storm jungle
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Its less that the class sucks and more the players

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Most are nice but im already seeing way too many complaint posts šŸ’€

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i feel like they went in expecting to play cod

dusk patrol
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Lowest common denominator I mean uh obviously it needs help

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Clearly this is a shooter, melee? whats that?

storm jungle
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HARSH but true

celest dome
storm jungle
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Microsoft Sam voice option too

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saves on the budget

dusk patrol
plush mason
celest dome
plush mason
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lmao

arctic talon
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Smh tech priests speak binary

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Canā€™t believe youā€™ve done this

storm jungle
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Women dont exist in warhammer didn't you know

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celest dome
plush mason
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lmao

dusk patrol
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I identify as a machine. My genitals are a plasma cannon. My pronouns are try/me.

arctic talon
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Honestly a tech adept would work

round cedar
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binary is for code, not gender

dusk patrol
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Issa joke

arctic talon
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TRue

dusk patrol
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As long as we get an Omnissiah axe in the game

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I'm happy

round cedar
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and the electro prod, and transsonic blades

dusk patrol
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Also you know, if it could not suck

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Like most of the axes in VT

celest dome
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Chord Claw and Flechette Blaster

dusk patrol
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Radium weapons

celest dome
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Axes don't suck in VT

arctic talon
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Chord claw requires a lot of augmentation

celest dome
arctic talon
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I mean they're only given to Ruststalkers is my point

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Who are literally just a torso + head

round cedar
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i think a good ability for tech adept would be a built in plama cannon, that works like the grail knights ability in VT

arctic talon
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and not even a full head

dusk patrol
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Yeah they could do a lot with a tech adepts abilties

celest dome
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Nothing outright stop a Techpriest from putting it on something else than a ruststalker I believe

round cedar
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or canticles of the omnisiaah to buff alliy weapons

plush mason
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afaik tech adepts are like skitarii level of augmented

dusk patrol
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It all varies a ton

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Skitarii are everything from basically being guardsmen with some augments and a connection to the Noosphere to communicate, to being glorified more advanced servitors who are completely under the control of whoever is commanding them, micromanaged completely.

storm jungle
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Yeah its basically another homebrew thing of how autonomous you want your Techboys to me

dusk patrol
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Sadly we mostly only see art of the Mars pattern, with maybe some different colors, but the books have a lot of variety and fun and wacky Skitarii.

storm jungle
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Yeee its great

dry epoch
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Skitarii are immense fun to write about when theyā€™ve gone wrong as well

unique berry
storm jungle
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Yeah with shovels being in the game and lucius lasguns confirmed we'll see how it goes KEK

dusk patrol
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Not looking forward to it....

unique berry
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We alredy know how it will go

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Neither do I

dusk patrol
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They're definitely gonna sell a Krieg cosmetic.

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They'd be fools not to

unique berry
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Yup

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I like the skins they already got from what I saw so far thb but i need a steel legion skin OmegaGuardsmanHype

dusk patrol
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Steel Legion would be cool

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I want Mordian, Elysian, Harakoni Warhawk

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Praetorians....

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Catachan

unique berry
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Mordian šŸ’Æ

dusk patrol
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So many

unique berry
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A Navy breacher skin could work too

dusk patrol
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Potential is endless

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I hope we get a Nork reference skin for the Ogyrn too

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And the Bullgryn gear, although I think some of that is gonna be base game.

unique berry
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Yeah

near hedge
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do not perform the meme and instead do the other gasmask guard faction lol

dusk patrol
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We funnily enough

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Krieg originally were a repaint option for Steel Legion

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You may not like it, but this is the peak male body

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storm jungle
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oh yeah also the nade launcher

dusk patrol
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This will also probably be the nade launcher thing they were referencing

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storm jungle
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Yeah its in the class selection but you cant get it yet sadly

unique berry
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What guard regiment would be the best to fight in a hive city ifntheybwoupd send one the tunnel rats wouod work pretty good

dusk patrol
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They said there will be more long range options, thank god

storm jungle
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yuuup

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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I don't need them to be good I just need to be able to do a damn thing to specials

dusk patrol
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There's soooooo many different regiments

worn cargo
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Do all squats wear power armor??

celest dome
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No

unique berry
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I know that the good thing OmegaGuardsmanHype

dusk patrol
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Salvar Chem Dogs could work well

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celest dome
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Grendel Grendelson

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No power armour

dusk patrol
unique berry
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Holy they look awsome

dusk patrol
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Depends on what you mean by squats, but the Necromunda ones do have some....kinda

celest dome
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Some do, but not all

dusk patrol
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The LoV Squats do have power armor though

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Although GW is trying to just call them kin

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Which is boring

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So I refuse

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But the above are Necromunda squats which are a more distant relation.

worn cargo
fierce pendant
dusk patrol
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Imperial Fist: "Guardsman, do not fear, I am fortifying this position."

Chem Dog: Oh fuck I did mix up the hallucinogens and the stimulants again

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This is also a great one

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fierce pendant
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Hotshots blobgibfast

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Not in game for now

dusk patrol
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They gotta have them. If we can get plasma guns, we can get hellguns.

fierce pendant
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Well from the leak we've seen it's unlikely but who knows, maybe they make them separately with insignias

dusk patrol
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There is an issue with the backpack.

fierce pendant
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if not I'd assume to have em when they release Stormtrooper class for Veteran archetype

dusk patrol
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That would make sense.

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More rapid fire stuff.

worn cargo
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Are primarchs a space marine

celest dome
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Well, yes, but actually no

tall hinge
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Their process of creation is slightly different than that of the Astartes, but they are for all intents and purposes essentially the highest ranking Space Marines.

dusk patrol
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I would just say, no, while they can produce the geneseed to make SM they aren't one themselves.

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SM were human

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Primarchs never were

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Astartes take on the traits of their progenitor, the Primarchs organs are also really really weird.

plush mason
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they can also be thought of as the fathers of their legions as part of the geneseed all marines carry is made of the genetic material of their given primarch

dusk patrol
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They're more like warp beings wrapped in physical flesh.

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There's a bit in the Heresy books where the head apothecary for a legion open up a primarch to try to heal him, and they have no clue what they're looking at.

gray mulch
# worn cargo Are primarchs a space marine

Yes but also kind of not really, it depends on your definition space marine, are they a super human dude in power armor? yes, so that is enough for some to call them space marines, but it could be argued that Space Marines are the dudes made from primarch geneseed and the primarchs themselves are not Space Marines

plush mason
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the primarchs are the first space marines basically

crisp heath
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not exactly, no

dusk patrol
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There's a big distinction between the Astartes and the Primarchs themselves, they're definitely the progenitors of the Astartes but idk if I'd call them Space Marines

crisp heath
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The primarchs themselves are warp entities

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at their basest form, anyway

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the Emperor just brokered dealings with chaos in order to put them into bodies

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(dooming his whole plan from the start)

unique berry
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If anybody its would be the Custodes but they are world better

crisp heath
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also, fun fact!

dusk patrol
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The main thing is in universe, space marine is another name for Astartes

crisp heath
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Custodes can be woman, theres nothing in lore stopping it

dusk patrol
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Its not just "people in power armor"

crisp heath
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^^^

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thats why sororitas arent called astarte

dusk patrol
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Same with Custodes, Inquisitors in power armor, and so on.

crisp heath
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Yeah.

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They are all made different ways

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Sororitas are, on average, weaker

minor lance
crisp heath
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however it should be said that, that doesnt mean anything. averages are a number. One duelled and nearly beat a custodes.

minor lance
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Primarchs came post-Custodes

unique berry
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How powerfull is the fleet that protects the Solar System i know its a Custodes fleet the solaris i think or something like that

minor lance
crisp heath
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Nothing touches Sol.

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the only things that could even ATTEMPT

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are necrons.

minor lance
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Custodes are absolutely overpowered as hell.

crisp heath
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at current, anyway

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much later

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they can stomp it out.

minor lance
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And most of them are defending Sol

dusk patrol
unique berry
crisp heath
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doesnt it blot out the sun at times?

dusk patrol
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I believe they even have a Gloriana from the Solar Auxilia days.

plush mason
crisp heath
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and also

minor lance
crisp heath
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Thunder Warriors are better warriors than marines.

unique berry
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They were a beta version of the Astartes

dusk patrol
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They were just unstable

crisp heath
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^^

dusk patrol
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And couldn't last long

minor lance
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They were stronger as well, aye. Just, yep, unstable.

crisp heath
#

It should also be brought up

dusk patrol
#

Astartes can live for thousands of year, Thunder Warriors had decades, if that.

minor lance
#

Physically. Then they realised that they were falling apart genetically and went super nihilistic and fell apart mentally.

crisp heath
#

the marines themselves werent planned to stay around forever

dusk patrol
#

Well we don't really know

crisp heath
#

the Emperor, according to lore, planned to kill them all aswell

dusk patrol
#

Its one of the questions of the heresy

unique berry
crisp heath
#

40k fucks up scale

unique berry
#

True

crisp heath
#

cadia only had 120 million people on it

dusk patrol
#

Unfortunately, 40k and numbers don't like eachother.

crisp heath
dusk patrol
#

Sometimes GW gets it right

dusk patrol
#

Or they reference billions

crisp heath
#

its still, canonically, 120 million.

#

So, F.

minor lance
#

I think they retconned it as 120mil survivors

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Or something like that

dusk patrol
#

They say billions died when the planet blew up

crisp heath
#

that makes a lot more sense.

dusk patrol
#

The millions are the remnants yeah.

crisp heath
#

Either way- I am the sororitas lore expert here. Ill stand up for my gal's!

dusk patrol
#

So the numbers are even more fudged now.

crisp heath
#

along with Necrons, but they dont need standing up for- they are basically unstoppable.

minor lance
#

SoBs deserve more love tbh. They are hard af.

crisp heath
#

Yes.

dusk patrol
#

Basically, its a lot of ships.

crisp heath
minor lance
#

Then again, they're a meta faction atm iirc soooo

crisp heath
#

got it to a draw- which a lot of marines jsut cannot say.

crisp heath
dusk patrol
#

Whose this referring to?

crisp heath
#

they allow transgender recruits.

crisp heath
unique berry
crisp heath
#

Bloody Rose saint, i think

minor lance
#

Honestly, that's really dumb. But also, since it's SoB and not SMs, I will 100% happily accept it as canon.

crisp heath
#

its not impossible

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given a marine one shot one before.

minor lance
#

I mean, Custodes literally can throw multiple tonnes worth of elevator

crisp heath
#

true.

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but thats not what makes a warrior

minor lance
#

This is fair.

crisp heath
#

humans have killed elephants alone.

#

they cant lift said elephant.

dusk patrol
#

I just can't recall her ever being referenced to duel a Custodes

crisp heath
#

wrong one.

unique berry
#

Who would duel a Custodes?

dusk patrol
#

A living saint it makes sense, but I can't recall a sister doing it.

crisp heath
#

the beginning of them

dusk patrol
#

The Goge Vandire thing?

crisp heath
#

yeah

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the custodes duelled her to a draw.

dusk patrol
#

I know they let her into the palace but I don't recall a duel.

#

Into the throne room

crisp heath
#

not that one

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when he went to meet with them

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one of the sisters beside her attacked.

minor lance
#

Oh, that? I thought he was... For lack of better words 'going easy'. Since it was a mission of peace iirc.

#

I know he very much respected her from her prowess

dusk patrol
#

The main thing I recall with that was the Custodes didn't really get involved until they let her into the palace itself.

crisp heath
minor lance
#

But it was a diplomatic mission. Though I could be misremembering.

crisp heath
#

So, its up to you.

#

personally

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im happy to see my girls WIN for once.

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instead of being murdered by grey knights.

minor lance
#

Honestly, it's a little BS if that's the case. But it's BS I'll let slide.

crisp heath
#

and having their blood bathed in

minor lance
#

The Sisters deserve a little BS.

crisp heath
unique berry
#

Im so confused what ya talking about lol

crisp heath
#

5 marines destroyed a tomb world.

minor lance
crisp heath
#

this, by far, is the least bs thing in 40k.

minor lance
crisp heath
#

either way

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Sororitas, the way i view them

#

is due to their faith

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their power can fluctuate

minor lance
#

Local single SoB uses SoB-issue bolter to gun down 5 necron warriors without issue, then proceed to chainsaw an Immortal.

crisp heath
#

they could be base human at one point, at another, fucking curbstomp a marine.

dusk patrol
#

I'm just glad we're able to field two High Lords on the tabletop right now.

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minor lance
#

angry mechazombie egyptian noises

unique berry
dusk patrol
#

It wasn't that kind of fight

crisp heath
#

looong story

languid crypt
#

Whoz da second

dusk patrol
#

Morvenn Vahl

minor lance
crisp heath
dusk patrol
#

Abbess Sanctum I think

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Or something like that

languid crypt
#

Not da Morven git

#

Da ovva one

unique berry
dusk patrol
#

Valoris

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Captain-General of the Custodes

crisp heath
#

but yes

#

sororitas need more love.

dusk patrol
#

Trajaan Valoris

minor lance
#

Also, @crisp heath I don't think anything in 40K is more BS than Kaldor Draigo

crisp heath
#

They spent a good ten years getting bs'd.

crisp heath
minor lance
#

But at the same time, I think he's so BS he warps right back around to being totally fine

unique berry
dusk patrol
#

Her back

minor lance
#

Like, at this point, I am glad Draigo is as BS as he is

dusk patrol
#

But yeah

minor lance
#

It's great.

crisp heath
#

but yes.

dusk patrol
#

Draigo is so much fun

crisp heath
#

Sororitas can and have beat marines.

#

i wanna make this part clear.

unique berry
dusk patrol
#

Pandoraax has him appear, and he's great

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He's unhinged and a little nutty

crisp heath
#

theres people in this fandom who like to put my gal's down to guardsmen level, they aint.

dusk patrol
crisp heath
#

they are built outside of the particular norm.

unique berry
minor lance
dusk patrol
#

They're between Guardsman and Astartes, with outliers both ways.

crisp heath
#

mhm.

#

Id put them closer to astarte then guardsmen

dusk patrol
#

Not as nutty

crisp heath
#

their advantages over the astarte is also organization wise.

dusk patrol
#

But he's definitely not totally sane.

crisp heath
#

Theres only 2 million astarte's in the galaxy.

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theres billions of sororitas.

minor lance
#

Gimme slightly more nuttiness. We're talking like... If he's peanuts I wanna see walnuts. But otherwise, that makes me happy.

dusk patrol
#

Asmodai TTS and Draigo TTS are pretty spot on for how they are mostly.

unique berry
dusk patrol
#

Captain General

#

Yeah

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Guilliman isn't a High Lord technically

crisp heath
#

sorry to get weirdly defensive there for my gals haha

#

just my favorite imperium faction besides inquisitors.

dusk patrol
#

No yeah they have a lot of power

#

They basically exist to watch over the church

crisp heath
#

also they allow transgender characters, which is fun.

dusk patrol
#

And they have massive hospital networks setup.

crisp heath
#

mhm,

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also, alongside this

#

they are the only imperium faction besides guard to be granted Daemon princ- i mean living saints.

unique berry
crisp heath
#

Celestine, for example, is fucking scary

crisp heath
unique berry
#

The Golden boys are the best.

minor lance
crisp heath
#

because its the weird grey-maybe.

dusk patrol
crisp heath
#

Given that custodes can be woman too.

unique berry
minor lance
#

Wait, are there any ffemale custodes?

dusk patrol
#

They all present as male tbh

crisp heath
#

no.

#

but there is no lore stopping female stodes.

dusk patrol
#

Their gender isn't really something which matters is my point

minor lance
#

But theoretically it's possible, aye, that's true

#

Also fair

crisp heath
#

its also

#

a writer brought this up

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the only reason there are none

#

is the models are all male.

dusk patrol
#

He brought it up but they didn't ok it for a book.

crisp heath
#

and GW is scared of making new models.

minor lance
#

Since they have 0 reproductive desire, and care for nothing past the dfense of the Emperor and the Golden Throne

crisp heath
#

lol.

minor lance
#

Gender means nothing to them, so that's fair

unique berry
#

I mean even the dreadnoughts walk arpund with shields and spears that another lvl of badass

crisp heath
#

also

#

Sisters of Silence, aswell

dusk patrol
#

They don't have a gender but calling them boys isn't really inaccurate with how they present.

crisp heath
#

are fucking terrifying

minor lance
#

FAir, Reward.

#

Also yes

#

SoS are

crisp heath
#

one literally gutted like three different thousand sons.

minor lance
#

Fucking awesome.

#

I wish they were more powerful on TT

crisp heath
#

i wish the lore wasnt so weird on where they lie.

minor lance
#

I wanna run a pure SoS army but they are just too squishy

minor lance
dusk patrol
#

The Watchers of the Throne series covers their current deal pretty well

unique berry
minor lance
#

Since custodes lore has been shaken up a fair bit in the last few years

dusk patrol
#

They basically were barely funded for a long long time

crisp heath
#

yes

dusk patrol
#

And recently got refunded

crisp heath
#

i just wish they would actually talk about

#

where their powers lie

#

because in one book, they massacre marines

unique berry
#

I read they getting back now with the Crusade and everything

crisp heath
#

in another, a chaos terminator one shots one.

dusk patrol
#

They're still in the midst of kinda working out how blanks work in lore tbh.

#

But not all blanks are equal

minor lance
#

For 40K especially

dusk patrol
#

Jenetia Krole for example literally was invisible to most people

crisp heath
#

well yes

#

but like

#

coming from WHF

#

i want things to be equal ;-;

minor lance
dusk patrol
#

Yeah, its just a case of more time.

#

Lots of things in the oven.

minor lance
crisp heath
#

^^

#

I will say, however

minor lance
#

They're super squishy, but they're insanely fast and are really your only anti-psyker option as Custodes

crisp heath
#

oblivion knights fuck

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Like, its not even funny

#

they butcher most things they fight.

#

im pretty sure one of the few, canon, times theyve lost

#

was against actual fucking magnus

unique berry
crisp heath
#

i also recommend

#

kneeling to your robot overlords

unique berry
#

Nah

crisp heath
#

Its not like you have a choice

#

necrons are the strongest faction in 40k rn

unique berry
#

I bow to a skeleton on a throne

crisp heath
#

So

#

Szarekh

#

got it

final spruce
#

@cerulean wagon We got a roleless here

crisp heath
#

And yes

full bane
crisp heath
#

how do i get roles

minor lance
# unique berry Thanks for the tipp!

Honestly, though, I only said that cause it seems like you wanted to use them. The best advice I can give for TT is: Build the army you want.

Min-maxing meta is generally looked down upon on TT. Since most people just wanna bring their favourite armies (and because meta is expensive since you have to keep updating).

#

Think of it like MtG Commander

#

Most people just wanna have a good time

final spruce
crisp heath
#

id also like to mention, word bearers are neat.

#

they get a lot of hate but

dusk patrol
#

Meta chasing will just leave you with a bunch of worthless models in a month or two anyways

crisp heath
#

i love the religion satire.

minor lance
#

No, wait, that's the lamenters

#

nvm

crisp heath
#

Word Bearers are

#

Lorgar

#

and Erebus

storm jungle
#

Word Eaters = World Bearers

crisp heath
#

They are a marine legion

storm jungle
#

totally different chapters

full bane
storm jungle
dusk patrol
crisp heath
minor lance
#

Yeah, I'm thinking of the SAD BOIZ Lamenters.

crisp heath
#

Anyway-

full bane
#

Ah yes, the Eater of Words.
You can find them in libraries, being a nuisance.

crisp heath
#

Astarte Cringe

Inquisition and Sororitas Cool

#

-FlatlineTheHotline, 10/16/2022

dusk patrol
#

Or you know

#

Just like what you like

minor lance
#

Squats best. Fite me.

crisp heath
#

true.

#

šŸ§Žā€ā™€ļø

storm jungle
minor lance
#

Like, you can say anything you want. However, counterpoint: Hovertrike.

crisp heath
#

ROCK AND STONE

minor lance
#

V

full bane
#

And yeah, don't meta chase in 40k. Find a friendly group, balance your armies around each other for a fair time, and play some crusade or one of the other scenario/narrative stuff.

crisp heath
minor lance
#

Jokes aside, I look forward to getting more LoV lore over the next few years

crisp heath
full bane
#

Running purely via matched play and competetive strats leads only to salt.

crisp heath
#

hence why im so passionate on wanting to play an okay faction lore-wise in terms of power.

minor lance
full bane
#

And an exorbitant amount of money spent chasing the meta.

crisp heath
#

Right now, my eyes are towards inquisition

minor lance
#

Avoid any meta-focused LGS cause they tend to be sweaty af

#

Literally and metaphorically

crisp heath
#

Ill just say, give it to me GW.

unknown.png
#

Come on, its not that hard.

minor lance
full bane
celest dome
crisp heath
#

(reminder, this is entirely possible in lore, just GW wont make their mini's)

full bane
#

And also isn't a mess in terms of balance and rules.

minor lance
crisp heath
#

And well-

minor lance
#

Play crons and having quins remove my army foundation turn 2 is annoying.

crisp heath
#

kinda hard to do that in any form during the horus heresy without playing a "weaker" army lore-wise.

unique berry
unique berry
full bane
#

Sisters of Silence and Custodes army?

dusk knot
#

ngl not having female space marines is just straight stupid, idgaf about lore

crisp heath
#

Come on GWWW do ittt.

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full bane
#

They were both really good and fun to play last edition of Horus Heresy.

Or Mechanicum, though that one is a bit messy atm.

dusk knot
#

it just seems like lazy writing

crisp heath
dusk knot
#

ye

dusk patrol
#

You can just make your army that

crisp heath
#

but

dusk patrol
#

Just kitbash it

dusk knot
#

tru

crisp heath
#

not make this problem

unique berry
#

Werent most Custodes in the webway during the HH?

crisp heath
#

And eternal, problem.

#

I do lore stuff.

#

And that is just... not very possible.

dusk patrol
#

Well then idk then

crisp heath
#

kitbashes, sadly, arent lore-accurate.

dusk knot
#

I've given up on 40k lore

crisp heath
#

Yes, ive been stuck in this issue for a few years.

full bane
#

Yeah, no need to stick entirely to the lore. There's a little gap with the two lost legions after all where you can fit whatever you like

storm jungle
near hedge
#

forget lore, make ur own guys

dusk knot
#

exactly

minor lance
storm jungle
near hedge
#

none are cooler than your guys

storm jungle
crisp heath
storm jungle
#

especially with GW pushing the equality in minis

crisp heath
#

So- uh- fuck me i guess!

storm jungle
#

female marines basically dont exist because they are too afraid of angering the chud astartes playerbase KEK

crisp heath
storm jungle
#

YEP

crisp heath
#

theyve shown they can actually do it with stormcast

#

just they are COWARDS

unique berry
#

We need more about the Webway war.

full bane
#

I do like the idea/headcanon that it doesn't matter what the gender of the neonate was, once you stick 17 entire organs and pump them full of gene-engineered super soldier juice, they're all indistinguishable from each other.

dusk knot
#

I take cowboy bebops philosphy

fierce pendant
dusk knot
storm jungle
crisp heath
#

^^^

storm jungle
#

they will look like amazonian women still

#

thats why people buy them

#

them looking no different than men would make no one buy them if two gender options existed KEK

full bane
#

Make em enbies. Just a bunch of extremely roided up transhumans.

minor lance
crisp heath
storm jungle
#

its just lazy

full bane
crisp heath
#

^^

storm jungle
#

also what inequality

dusk patrol
#

Well there is one

storm jungle
#

literally any woman in the Imperium can achieve any position

crisp heath
#

The "Explanation" is "Well, uh, men are uhhh different idrk."

full bane
#

Not something supported by lore.

dusk patrol
#

The geneseed is designed to work with men only, they didn't have time to make it for both men and women.

dusk knot
#

I get the model stuff, but not having female characters

storm jungle
#

Lore =/= mini sales

crisp heath
dusk knot
crisp heath
#

like, as someone whos taking biology as my major

#

i can promise you

storm jungle
crisp heath
#

that is the bullshit reason.

full bane
dusk patrol
#

There's definitely a biological difference between men and women

storm jungle
#

Yeah but

crisp heath
#

There is, yes.

storm jungle
#

it still makes no sense

dusk knot
crisp heath
#

but its not a gene-difference.

dusk patrol
#

Yeah but its not a gene thing

storm jungle
#

You can make planet destroying super-macro-death weapons but cant genetically splice

dusk patrol
#

Its the organs already in place.

crisp heath
#

the big differences are specifically arm strength and having a cock.

crisp heath
minor lance
# crisp heath thats not how genes work.

This is actually my field! Sorta! It's a lot more complex than you're making it, but you're also not wrong?

Hilariously, however, making a female gene function more like a male gene would be far easier than the reverse.

crisp heath
#

You do know marines are pumped full of stuff

#

at 8

#

right?

dusk patrol
#

Yes

crisp heath
#

then, you also realize, that logic isnt true.

dusk patrol
#

And they hijack the prepubescent male body to do it.

full bane
storm jungle
#

Anyway, basically.

Femarines don't exist because GW doesn't want them to. Lore doesn't matter.

#

theres no point in arguing about it forward

crisp heath
#

^^^

dusk knot
#

yeah

storm jungle
#

Like i hope most people here know

dusk knot
#

sadge but true

storm jungle
#

minis are made first

crisp heath
storm jungle
#

then the lore is made second

dusk patrol
#

Ultimately yeah but there is a reason in lore.

storm jungle
#

Primaris are a dumb concept

crisp heath
#

are nearly identical.

storm jungle
#

yet still got made

#

out of nowhere

#

then the excuse was

#

"they were under mars"

crisp heath
#

Either way

#

sorry to start this.

storm jungle
#

40k lore is interchangable at any moment

crisp heath
#

I just want female custodes since its possible right now.

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dusk knot
#

yes

storm jungle
#

but yeah Custodes make the most sense

dusk knot
#

I kinda started this sorry

storm jungle
#

their entire creation process is waves hands

dusk patrol
minor lance
#

i return with pizza.

storm jungle
crisp heath
dusk patrol
#

Obviously its all silly.

crisp heath
#

theyre puberty is blocked.

dusk patrol
#

Its not

crisp heath
#

they dont have one.

dusk patrol
#

Its channeled into something else

crisp heath
#

atleast, not a human puberty.

dusk patrol
#

Thats what the process does, it hijacks the male puberty.

minor lance
dusk patrol
#

Its why they need to transform them young.

crisp heath
#

yes...

So what does that change.

dusk knot
#

gotta love how even we have the ability to more or less change hormones in people's bodies but not in 40k

dusk patrol
#

Because its not designed to hijack the female one.

crisp heath
#

Also

#

Eternal

full bane
# storm jungle Primaris are a dumb concept

I do actually kind of like Primaris.
Conceptually, rather than execution.

The idea of a bunch of Heresy era marines kept in suspended animation and elevated above the norm, caught out of time in the current era.

But then they just became a mass produced "mega marine".

crisp heath
#

id like to mention

#

this is not the canon reason

dusk knot
#

this some flux capacitor bs

crisp heath
#

right now.

#

As of Horus Heresy, they changed it

#

AGAIN

dusk patrol
#

They didn't change it.

crisp heath
#

they did

#

its no longer geneseed

dusk patrol
#

They didn't, the lore is the same for how they're made and why, I've read the excerpts. They just reinforced it.

crisp heath
#

the problem now is. and heres the bad part.. "Chromosomes and the male body"

#

this would be a non-issue for me

#

if marines were not the posterboys

#

and all gw cares about.

dusk patrol
#

They're not though.

minor lance
#

Anyawy, for what it's worth, I've got a BSc in Biomedical science, with a specialism in pathogen genomics. So human genomics isn't exactly my strongsuit, but I understand the basis.

The Y chromosome is actually a heavily degraded and mutated X chromosome (this is a massive oversimplification). As it's easier to take away than add you could theoretically modify the geneseed to work with women in much the same way.

crisp heath
#

yes, they are.

unique berry
#

.

dusk patrol
#

GW has done a ton to add to other factions in recent years

crisp heath
#

just give me

#

a head model.

#

i dont need a female body.

crisp heath
dusk patrol
pastel schooner
#

...I feel like the Sororitas fill that role just as well if not better, considering they don't need the genetic modifications of a space marine & still get to use huge guns

crisp heath
#

how many of those have over 300 models?

crisp heath
#

i look at it

#

from a lore perspective

unique berry
#

No u

crisp heath
#

and a battle-prowess perspective.

dusk knot
#

it's a "flux capacitor" a writing device that somehow makes everything work

crisp heath
#

Sororitas are weaker than marines

#

and everyone else with power armor.

dusk patrol
#

They're not really in the grand scheme.

crisp heath
#

Meaning that logic fails.

unique berry
#

They still kick ass dont see a problem

dusk knot
#

they are considered somewhere between guard and marines

dusk patrol
#

They have way more political power.

crisp heath
#

And in 40k, all that matters is the war.

dusk patrol
#

Arguable, and even then who cares?

pastel schooner
#

also, they did make female space marines once... but they sadly didn't sell

crisp heath
#

i dont care about the political.

dusk patrol
#

Custodes are stonger than marines

crisp heath
dusk patrol
#

Doesn't mean marines are worthless now

crisp heath
#

And?

minor lance
crisp heath
#

marines are the posterboys

#

a marine one shot a custodes before.

unique berry
#

I mean do we really need female SM dosent matter after all when they behave and look the same tbh

dusk patrol
unique berry
crisp heath
#

and i would

dusk knot
crisp heath
#

fucking agree with you eternal

#

if sororitas werent getting fucked over

#

in 90% of their appearences.

dusk patrol
#

They aren't really though

crisp heath
#

need i remind you of what the grey knights did?

dusk patrol
#

I would heavily suggest reading newer lore.

crisp heath
#

I do.

dusk patrol
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They've expanded on them vastly.

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crisp heath
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they are getting better

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now.

minor lance
crisp heath
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Eternal, i just dont think

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you get my issues with it

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which is fine.

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but its clear this is an argument of two, metaphorical, walls.

dusk patrol
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Like, my issue is it feels like you have a meme understanding of this lore, SoB aren't as front and center but they have a lot of good stuff.

unique berry
storm jungle
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Basically

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the GK killed a squad of SoBs

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covered themselves in their own blood

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to fight a greater daemon

crisp heath
storm jungle
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instead of you know

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just asking them to fight with them

unique berry
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What the fuck

crisp heath
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i want to play woman in the imperium and actually beable to kill astartes in a one on one fight.

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which, as you know, isnt possible.

dusk patrol
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I mean SoB take on Astartes all the time.

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atleast 80% of the time

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SoB take them on in groups.

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# unique berry What the fuck

Matt Ward said that he originally intended for that to show that Grey Knights are assholes that will do anything to get the job done + kill demons.

He has since admitted in retrospect it was pretty dumb of him to write it in.

crisp heath
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Usually outnumbering them.

dusk patrol
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This lady is taking down daemons like its nothing solo.

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dusk knot
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the problem is the go to for female space marines is essentially walmart marines

unique berry
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I am transfem.

storm jungle
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female-guardsman/SoB do it all the time

dusk patrol
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There's a ton of examples of SoB going toe to toe with marines and winning

storm jungle
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i got video evidence

dusk patrol
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Like, even

crisp heath
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it is for elites.

dusk patrol
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Space Marines vary wildly.

crisp heath
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Female Guardsmen cant swordfight a marine.

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unique berry
dusk patrol
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Guardsmen take down marine a lot

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^

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Guardsman are all about Da Boyz

crisp heath
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ina one v one.

dusk patrol
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Yes

storm jungle
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squad up and you can kill anything

dusk patrol
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It happens

crisp heath
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Thats a straight lie.

storm jungle
crisp heath
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Exactly

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thats my issue

dusk patrol
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No, it happens

crisp heath
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marines get to have cool duels.

storm jungle
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Yeee

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To be fair

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thats more because marines are posterboys

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theres a reason half the server here hates them KEK

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also half the people we get with marine pfps turn out to be rude people

crisp heath
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And don't get me wrong, i love sororitas.

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And i know my inferiority complex might be showing but.

unique berry
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it just isnt the same.

dusk patrol
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There's plenty of example of SoB taking on marines and winning, yes even in sword fights. Especially once you get to the higher tier ones like Celestine and Ephrael Stern.

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Hell Celestine beat Abbadon

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