40k-lore-chat

[plush mason]

btw. and this is a purely subjective question. is Gotrek the worst or best slayer in dwarven history?

[atomic pelican]

LMAO

Probably the best, the fyreslayers literally think hes a reincarnation of Grimnir

And theyre probably right

[rose thorn]

What are the FYRESLAYERS doing lore wise?

Besides murder suicide

[atomic pelican]

Uhhh lemme think

I think the most recent fluff was that duo boxset with Idoneth

Other than that, depends on the lodge. I think theyll p much work for anyone

[rose thorn]

Ah

[atomic pelican]

Theyre honestly more akin to ritual mercenaries than old slayers

I think the largest thing recently was some Kharadon and Fyreslayer leaders talking abt a unification

Since the Fyreslayers let slip that they were trying to bring back Grimnir

[plush mason]

are they still driven by shame and take a death oath?

[atomic pelican]

I dont think so. They want to gather Ur-Gold to revive grimnir

[plush mason]

ah

[atomic pelican]

So they will take deals with anyone to gather it

I believe some lodges have even worked for chaos factions

Archaon's host I THINK hired one at some point

[rose thorn]

Shit that’s pretty cool

I didn’t know they were like mercenaries

And mercenaries are based

[atomic pelican]

Yee it makes them less 1 dimensional than old slayers

The way they gather the urgold makes the difference between lodges

I think some just raid for it

[plush mason]

how exactly will they use the urgold to revive grimnir? or have they not gotten that far yet

[atomic pelican]

So the myth goes that Grimnir was shattered and those pieces are Urgold

So they plan to gather it all together and remake him

[plush mason]

so like khaine kinda

[atomic pelican]

UrGold isnt regular gold. But to a non Fyreslayer, its almost exactpy the same

Fyreslayers have a supernatural sense for it, and can pick it out of a chest of regular gold

Yee

Urgold has been minted into regular currencies and such by other factions. So its widespread

[rose thorn]

Fantasy rock and stone

[plush mason]

lmao

[rose thorn]

Lofnir is my favorite now

Lava dragons are based

I need to actually read their lore

[rose thorn]

To celebrate guard, What’s y’all’s favroite guard regiments?

[atomic pelican]

Mordian Iron Guard for me I'd say

I'm considering making a Brood Brothers detachment of them

I just like the outfits

Parade stuff

[tawdry escarp]

Tallarn Desert Raiders

Sand capes are awesome

Also the fact that they handed the Iron Warriors their asses on a plate right after having their planet Virus Bombed is incredibly badass

[rose thorn]

I have a weak spot for the praefects and tunnel rats

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/f/fc/Athonian_Tunnel_Rat-0.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20171009202554

Fuck these guys are so cool and I love urban subterranean combat

And feudal guard

Because sci-fi medieval knights are metal as fuck

[topaz ledge]

So I'm working on a potential backstory for a sanctioned psyker for an upcoming Wrath & Glory campaign, and was curious, what are some ways Inquisitors go about recruiting psykers into their retinue?

Do they generally just conscript them from the Astra Telepathica?

And/or, is it feasible for Inquisitors to find unsanctioned psykers during their ventures and conscript them and grant them sanction? Do they have sort of authority? Or is that too far out there?

[scenic bolt]

the inquisition has pretty broad authority, but theyre more concerned for dangerous psykers or pyskers that could become dangerous, the recruitment, processing, and training's within the purview of a different authority

even though the inquisition has and uses psykers thats primarily after theyve been filtered and trained outside the organization wherein theyre transferred in to become trained within the relevant inquisitorial org

but this is all the by the book stuff, a radical could certainly just pluck an unsanctioned psyker off, use em etc. But that would invite scrutiny or charges of heresy from other inquisitors

[topaz ledge]

For more context: She's 100% gonna be on the Divination path, and said Inquisitor wants her on their team for her powers of portent and reading the Tarot, as they're a somewhat "superstitious" Inquisitor (likely on the more 'Radical' side)

So it was kinda between "She was found young and trained properly in the Telepathica, and Inquisitor conscripted her from there" or "She was an unsanctioned mystic reading fortunes and performing tarot on the streets when he happened upon her and offers her clemency if she joins them"

[scenic bolt]

so yea an inquisitor could do that but theyd have to be prepared to keep it under wraps, or be able to render an explanation to their superiors

[topaz ledge]

Though the character herself aspires to be an Inquisitor herself one day, so I'm guessing the former, as the latter would obviously have...certain legal hoops and ramifications

[scenic bolt]

an inquisitors leeway also goes up with their position and power, so a high ranking inquisitor's generally able to get away with more heterodox actions than one in lower standing so thats also a relevant consideration

[topaz ledge]

Also how long does "Telepathica training" take before they're considered "sanction-ready"?

[lavish thorn]

As far as I know it's generally not explicitly defined, but at least a few years based on a certain character in Gaunt's Ghosts

That's also somewhat complicated by how warp travel works - you could effectively arrive at psyker training relatively quickly, or you could appear a decade later than you left

The key thing that would be relevant to an inquisitor is that your potential psyker has to have a strong will to avoid possession

Which is also a prerequisite for an inquisitor as well

[topaz ledge]

I know Eisenhorn was picked up young by the Black Ships...and then became in Inquisitorial Acolyte at the young age of 24. Don't think there's really any "in-between details" on him though.

So it doesn't sound like he even went through Soul Binding

[lavish thorn]

It's possible that the inquisition has a process of their own and recruit directly from the Black Ships

[unique berry]

Easy Steel Legion

[lavish thorn]

Catachans in Space Vietnam get my vote

[topaz ledge]

Ok, I found this tidbit which helps me loads:

"After receiving five Terran years of basic training at the Scholastica, they are sent for further training and service in another Imperial organisation depending on where their abilities are judged best suited."

[lavish thorn]

Nice! Where did you get that from

I'll give it a read

[topaz ledge]

Was just reading through https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Adeptus_Astra_Telepathica#Scholastica_Psykana

[lavish thorn]

Cheers!

[topaz ledge]

Just jump to the Scholastica Psykana section

[round bone]

another mini audio book of the Zealot short story FS posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpbW6sfbV34

[lofty sequoia]

so... omnissiah = emperor ?

[celest dome]

Yes but no
For political reasons, the Omnissiah is the Emperor. But other wise they don't really care about him

[lofty sequoia]

🧠

[quick jackal]

The Cult Mechanicus believes that the Machine God has a human manifestation known as the Omnissiah, and believe that this manifestation is the emperor.

[celest dome]

For political reasons

[quick jackal]

Well, yea, they had a whole civil war over it and a bunch of them went to chaos because they didn't want to worship the emperor.

But then the whole Cult Mechanicus is worshipping an above average number of false gods even by 40k standards.

[rose thorn]

But we all know that the Omnissiah is actually THE 4 ARMED EMPEROR BABYyYyYy

[barren tapir]

AH! They wish they would even be a fraction of the might Omnissaiah!

[celest dome]

Void Dragon is cannonicaly the closest to the Omnissiah

[plush mason]

so can nids become corrupted by chaos if they consume a chaos corrupted world?

or do they have ways to remove said corruption

[celest dome]

I would assume Hive Fleet Khonos (Anti Chaos Hive) would be totaly impervious to Chaos (Shadow in the Warp)

But for the other I don't think there have been any example before (though there was Chaos corrupted Genestealer, NUrgle iirc)

[plush mason]

hm

[storm jungle]

They kind of can but it doesn't usually matter much?

They dont exactly have like, personal wants since their sentience is really fleeting.

they are basically brainless drones of the Hivemind

most nids that get inflicted by chaos just crumble and die since its like trying to brainwash an ant

[rose thorn]

There is nurgle infected gene stealer cult and some nids, but it’s basically dying of a disease lmao

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

at the end of the day its more or so usually accidental/pointless

[rose thorn]

Really nurgle is the only god that can benefits from the nids directly Lmao

Khrone can get benefits from ppl killing them but not from the nids dying or the nids killing tjem

But animals can still get sick and corpses still rot lmao

[plush mason]

well then wouldnt he only benefit if the nids lose?

cause iirc when the nids win they melt everything even the oceans down into biomass that they then suck up

[rose thorn]

Hey is there any stealth orientated guard regiments?

[final spruce]

Gaunt Ghosts

Shit I forgor their name, something First and Only

[dusk knot]

Tanith

[final spruce]

Thanks !

[rose thorn]

Oh yeahhhh they exist

[barren tapir]

There are some

The most famous are the Gaunt's ghosts, aka Tanith first and only, but we also have the noctan strike force

Tallarn and catachan are also stated as being stealthy

[final spruce]

I always forget Catachan are about ambushes

[barren tapir]

That is their sthick yeah, the other one is having sculpted abs work as armour

And being very close to being apex humans... Or abhumans, depending on how you see it

[rose thorn]

IH fuck wasn’t there a guard regiment who specialized in like, hyper dangerous uninhabitable environments?

I think it might have been from one of the super early codex

Where it was a list of guard regiments

[barren tapir]

Need to be a bit more precise on that description

[royal mica]

You mean like the catachan? Deathworld regiment based on over macho'd rambos, hail from world with giant tank thrashing centipedes, and small frogs that when bothered explode in a 2km blast of supertoxic gas that instagibs space marines in power armor, necrons, daemons, and so forth?

[hardy knot]

do woman explode when emperor sex with them

[rose thorn]

They specially fought in uhhh, barren environments

[celest dome]

Surviving or making them ? Because the Miasman Redcowl make them

[rose thorn]

Oh shit I FORGOT REDCOWLS fuck they are cool

[royal mica]

Ah, deff not the cata. Might be more along the lines od krieg in old trenches?

[celest dome]

Other wise Armageddon's armoured regiment are adapted for those iirc

[rose thorn]

Found it I was talking about 3rd edition

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/ea9k6v/really_cool_and_lesser_known_militarum_regiments/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link

[woven sandal]

No.

[rose thorn]

Here I’ll send an image

[barren tapir]

Honus squad you mean?

[hardy knot]

ok then

[rose thorn]

Yeahhhh

They rocking that scuba dive look

[rose thorn]

I’ve been so tempted to get that box set but I don’t like cadians at all lmao and I’ve been trying to find a regiment I really like, Now my options are brood bothers, cowls, and tunnel rats lmao

[celest dome]

Red Cowl can be somewhat expensive iirc. As you need Skitsrii Rangers for their cloak (unless 3rd party)

[analog zephyr]

What era is Darktide in for Warhammer lore?

[tawny steeple]

Likely M42 as there are references in dialogue to Cadia having been broken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2lvF8wzqG8 Exactly 1:00 in

not confirmed by this however as I don't think it's weird for a guardsmen to take a shot for cadia even if it hasn't broken.

[atomic pelican]

Ye M42, post 13th black crusade and around the time of the plague wars

[fierce rose]

makes sense.

[rose thorn]

Which faction do you think, if put all their resources together for a single push as hard and long as possible, Without plot armor,would you think cause the most amount of destruction

And which one the least.

[atomic pelican]

Do we consider Chaos or the Imperium as whole factions

Either way, probably Tyranids

[rose thorn]

I think space marines will be separate form the imperium

But chaos space marines are with whole of chaos

[real stone]

Most: Necrons, their main downfall is the constant infighting and general apathy of their entire race. Least: Probably Tau? Not hating on Tau, but they are very young in the whole being a galatic power thing

[atomic pelican]

Least is probably Tau, as much as I love them

[rose thorn]

Honestly imperium has enough bloat already

I’d think elder would be the least

[atomic pelican]

Eldar have the boon of likely just being able to psychic bomb something

Like, its very likely the Eldar could just kill the Emperor in their current state

[rose thorn]

LamO

[real stone]

The eldar, depending on if you call Dark Eldar, Craftworld Eldar, Exodite Eldar, and also the clown Eldar all one "Faction" well..

Then they're terrifying

If you don't

Meh

Middling

[atomic pelican]

Its kind of a catch-22 of "are their farseers being written by gav" or not

Asuryani dont do alot by themselves often but their effect on fate and other psychic things are great

[rose thorn]

Drukahri I count by them selves, as they are kinda thier own species

[fierce rose]

I tend to consider the Dark Eldar their own faction apart from the other Eldar. Craftworlders and Exodites seem to have similar concepts and the fucking clowns also seem to have their own separate thing going on.

[atomic pelican]

Ala the Imperium would be dead right now without Yvraine's intervention

Well, the Ynnari in general but also Eldrad and gang

[rose thorn]

Fair

[fierce rose]

I've heard the Tyranids are going to show up later in the game's lifecycle. I honestly hope they stick to the basic types, the 'nids with guns and swords irk me from an aesthetic standpoint.

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH LoV exist now

[atomic pelican]

Oh ur right

LoV then

Least

[rose thorn]

Yeah Lmao

[fierce rose]

LoV? I'm horrible at acronyms.

[atomic pelican]

Leagues of Votann

The dorfs

[rose thorn]

Leagues of Votaan

[fierce rose]

OH, right

[tawny steeple]

Underdog answer: The Adeptus Mechanicus, if they wanted to just commit ritual suicide right now then The Imperium and perhaps some margins of Chaos forces are left without some crucial requirements to function. Not to mention the understated military power they have and capacity to just turtle up at their forge world and survive on batteries. The galaxy doesn't just go into ruin it straight up doesn't work anymore.

[atomic pelican]

Chaos has the Mechanicum producing its arms and armor

[tawny steeple]

this would skyrocket the level of suffering due to so many now without power being food for genestealers, dark eldar, orkz, and worse.

[rose thorn]

Gosh I love how much fucking damage genestealer cults cause. It’s hilarious how much of a threat they are right now to the imperium

[atomic pelican]

Yeah its p great

[tawny steeple]

overall the mechanicus can just end the setting and they don't even have to do anything to accomplish it really.

[rose thorn]

Like right now GSCs are literally on the fucking steps of the emperor

[tawny steeple]

in fact "doing nothing" is exactly how they destroy the setting

[atomic pelican]

Most factions would be pretty unharmed by that

Other than the Imperium

Well, by extent you could say that other factions would be harmed by chaos rolling a unarmed imperium but thats moreso a chaos win

[fierce rose]

it's my understanding the Imperium straight-up is not ready for if the Tyranids decided to attack in force.

[rose thorn]

The Adeptus mechancius hold more political power then anything

[tawny steeple]

you lack vision, with The Imperium gone there is a massive power vacuum which causes certain factions to skyrocket in power

mostly dark eldar, orkz, and genestealers

all forces which tend towards the misery and destruction of others

Also if Terra becomes a second eye of terror with The Emperor's death everyone suffers

[atomic pelican]

Tau and Craftworlds. + Its not like the remaining humans would just lay down and die

[tawny steeple]

yes even The Necrons

[tawny steeple]

what about the T'au and craftworlders?

[atomic pelican]

They are other factions

Than the ones you mentioned

[tawny steeple]

well yeah but I mention the ones that I do for a very specific reason

they all benefit from trillions of people suddenly becoming harmless

[rose thorn]

Lmao literally no one is. Best part is both of their factions hold the moral high ground

[tawny steeple]

T'au just have a refugee crisis which weakens them if anything

and Eldar can hardly take advantage of a bunch of helpless human colonies now

aside from getting involved in the Drukhari slave trade (aka corsairs)

the ones most propelled by The Imperium's sundering are the ones who will cripple and destroy everything

[atomic pelican]

P much deffo tyranids

[rose thorn]

“I don’t understand how cna you like a faction that’s literally going to be eaten anyway and don’t matter”

[tawny steeple]

lol

[real stone]

I feel like the Necrons could do some cheeky asset denial by just deleting all biomass in the way of a hivefleet

[rose thorn]

“Humanity has always looked to the stars for enlightenment .”

[atomic pelican]

Yeah its kind of hard to judge. Necrons are so stupidly written in terms of powerscaling

[real stone]

Yep

[atomic pelican]

Then again so are tyranids, just offscreen

[tawny steeple]

everything is, BL is constantly hyping everything up only to have Ciaphas Cain defeat it by sneezing and setting off 500 tons of explosives.

[rose thorn]

Necrons would probably die to trillion year old politics

[atomic pelican]

"Hmm, yes. They have a button that can delete star systems." Said BL,

"How did they lose the war in heaven?", asked the reader

🤷

[tawny steeple]

the only purpose of power in 40k is to make Ciaphas Cain look more ridiculous

[rose thorn]

I always imagined either, you need flesh to operate it, or it’s actually just a dooms day clock for the systems

Or they don’t know how to use it

[real stone]

And having a conveniently blank assistant standing behind him at all times with a melta

[atomic pelican]

I always fill in with a number of speculations based on some Aeldari fluff about how cracked the Empire was to fight crons

[tawny steeple]

Ciaphas Cain is the great equalizer of 40k.

all will fall before the greatest Commissar (Jurgen is gonna eat it)

[atomic pelican]

Ala) Asurmen states that Eldrad is fairly alright for a post fall aeldari psyker. Which kind of implies that prefall Aeldari were busted.

Eldrad's acts being sort of below average comparatively and having:

Stopped time
Incarnated a god
Fought Abaddon(get him grandpa)
Instakilled a Keeper with the staff of ulthamar

[tawny steeple]

when has Eldrad done this?

[atomic pelican]

Incarnating a God was whem he awoke the Yncarne

Fighting Abaddon is like giga old, so is tje Keeper story

[rose thorn]

And then an eternal grudge against death watch was born

[atomic pelican]

Hes stopping time on a number of occassions. Most recently when fighting deathwatch iirc. But stopping time isnt even that amazing

Some fucking farseer once time traveled

[tawny steeple]

yeah ik he has stopped time before

cool guy

[atomic pelican]

And its implied that its not even that out of reach

[tawny steeple]

Eldar have the best aesthetic in the setting

Eldrad is the cream of the crop

actually no I take that back the Visarch is the best looking.

[atomic pelican]

Path of the Seer states that some Farseers can reach so far into the future they loop around and can manipulate the past

Which is a bit wild

And yeah the Visarch balls

[tawny steeple]

yeah well that book also has a single space marine chapter kill a craftworld

[atomic pelican]

LMAO yes

Gav sucks

[tawny steeple]

so yeah forget about it

[atomic pelican]

I do like some of the worldbuilding tho

Also Seer is the best of the 3

[tawny steeple]

yeah skipped to that one

[rose thorn]

The invaders or some dumb shit right

[tawny steeple]

I was gonna read the rest but seer was kinda eh

[atomic pelican]

Yeah Seer is mid

The rest are far worse

[tawny steeple]

went to the HH instead and got better eldar in Fulgrim

[atomic pelican]

Gav's ultramarine ocs

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[tawny steeple]

The Eldar don't get to have things

[atomic pelican]

Alaitoc too, not some minor cw

[rose thorn]

Oh yeha I haven’t gotten to that part yet

[tawny steeple]

like literally, I am making a Drukhari army rn and I cannot get certain models like the grotesque rn

[rose thorn]

Worng message

[atomic pelican]

The eldar get amazing rules to dumpy marines om the table

And yeah rip half the drukhari codex

[rose thorn]

Yeah I haven’t gotten to that part yet

[atomic pelican]

Literally cycled out

[tawny steeple]

😎 = Drukhari players

[rose thorn]

But I’ve heard it’s like

Relaly fucking funny

It’s like an unstoppable force and an immovable wall

[atomic pelican]

Genuinely try to get Not from GW and cheaper Legal™️ alternatives for grotesques. Paying $30 for one uggo resin model was a scam bigger than usual

[rose thorn]

Except the wall has a gun

[atomic pelican]

Same thing im doing for the old resin aspect warriors

Fuck no Im not paying $50 for models older than me

I'll buy the plastic new ones for that much

[tawny steeple]

I started with craftworld went to Death Guard in 8th now a Dark Eldar player

it sucks being one

[atomic pelican]

Drukhari bang rn doe

[rose thorn]

Drukahri are so fucking cool

[atomic pelican]

Theyre also great fun

[tawny steeple]

yeah but I don't really care for meta

I just make wracks

[atomic pelican]

Yeah but like their entire codex is great

Haemonc covens are meta

FHSBD

[tawny steeple]

wait legit?

[atomic pelican]

Yes

They have been for awhile

Since raiders got gimped and such

[tawny steeple]

dude that's sick I run Coven of the Twelve

-1 AP on stuff

[atomic pelican]

Even now tho, their entire codex is rlly good. Amazing internal balance

[rose thorn]

I believe the meta is custom covens

[atomic pelican]

You should try Coteries of the Haemonculi

[rose thorn]

But I really like the creed

[tawny steeple]

dark technomancers pretty beefy yeah

[atomic pelican]

Its a white dwarf supplement for full haemonculi armies

[tawny steeple]

+1 damage and +1 to wound pretty sure

for dark technomancers

[rose thorn]

but you can’t include the one Haemonculi character in it

[atomic pelican]

Dark Technomancers was very good then got nerfed because it was too good. So they made it not effect liquifier guns

[rose thorn]

From what I heard

[atomic pelican]

Yeah but Rakarth is ugly and isnt too special anyway

Coteries can get you a 4+FNP in special cirvumstances on wracks

[tawny steeple]

what are Coteries?

[rose thorn]

I really like the idea of the dark creed, like weaponizing I guess pure fucking fear, but they don’t have enough lore for me

[atomic pelican]

Coteries of the Haemonculi is a army of renown rule for Drukhari. Basically you run all haemonculi and abide by special rules and you get unique traitd

[tawny steeple]

oh cool man, does that mean no hired blades? (scourge, mandrakes, etc)

[atomic pelican]

Lemme check

[rose thorn]

Fuck the hired blades are all so cool too

[atomic pelican]

You can have hired blades

Everything must be Hired Blades or Covens

[tawny steeple]

okay so it's more like "don't have kabal or cult" units

rather than "all covens"

[atomic pelican]

Yee p much

[tawny steeple]

okay cool cuz like an all coven army

NEEDS scourge

[atomic pelican]

You dont get the usual coven obsession tho is one thing

[rose thorn]

Wait call me stupid but I didn’t know you could have models from the 3 factions anyway

[atomic pelican]

You get the Coteries trait

[rose thorn]

In the same army

[atomic pelican]

You can bcuz Realspace raid

[tawny steeple]

lol yeah 9th edition is sick

pretty much just removed a lot of army building restrictions

[atomic pelican]

Realspace Raid was such a great addition

[rose thorn]

SOUUUUPPPPPPP

[tawny steeple]

and let us actually play the full faction

instead of 1 of 3 sub factions

in one faction

[rose thorn]

WIAT IS IT THE COOL KIND OF SOUP FACTION

Or

[tawny steeple]

Dark Eldar suck for soup I was under the impression the meta was wych melee hordes

[atomic pelican]

Wyches still bang tbh

[rose thorn]

Legions of nagash

[atomic pelican]

Ive lost a chaos lord to 5 fucking wyches befors 😂

[tawny steeple]

what do you run?

[atomic pelican]

For Drukhari?

[tawny steeple]

yeah

[atomic pelican]

Realspace raid with Kabal of the Blackheart. You tag raiders and venoms as Kabal then embark cult of strife wyches onto them

Turn 1 you aethersails and adv charge the enemy

Turn 2 all your wyches drop ou

Out*

[tawny steeple]

sounds pretty good as long as your opponent isn't too shooty

[atomic pelican]

The rest of your army is like, MSU kabalites and other support

Its AMAZING into shooty armies esp

You hide ur transports in deploy and fly directly into them whether u get 1st or 2nd

Then shooting armies can barely protect themselves

Oh! Also

Since Cult of Strife, morvaine's agoniser on a hekatrix

So no fallbacks

+razornets on 10 model units for even more failed fallbacks

Your melee alpha strike doesnt have to even win, they just terror strike ur opponent into their own deploy zone while cheapo kabalites score

[tawny steeple]

sounds strong, how do covens typically play?

[atomic pelican]

Muscle Beach

[tawny steeple]

am I looking to play attrition mostly?

[atomic pelican]

Hmm I know less abt Covens. But you can still make good use of rushing just in a different way

Grotesques can go into raiders LMAO

[tawny steeple]

if I can get them...

[atomic pelican]

5 liquifier grotesques in a raider is genuinely so funny

Yeah thats the problem

My favorite is uhh

Cant rememver which coven but they have a stratagem called A Esoteric Kill, Delivered from Afar. Which lets a coven unit ignore lookout sir. 5 grotesques drive-bying characters is so funny

[tawny steeple]

That does sound worth doing a build for

transports sound pretty important for dark eldar i'll probably get a few more

[atomic pelican]

Yeah theyre really important

[tawny steeple]

Venoms mostly I can find some usage for them I'm sure

[atomic pelican]

Otherwise you just die

Venoms can deliver wracks since theyre slow(ish)

Also just good assault vehicles

I cant speak for Covens too mucj since Covens are actually tanky but raiders and venoms are p much how drukhari survive at all

Otherwise you just die to like lasgun shots or a random mortar

[tawny steeple]

yeah wracks can get up to T5 with haemonculi around

which is the main attraction to me

[atomic pelican]

Yesss

[tawny steeple]

having the ability to not worry too much about my guys just dying to one good round of wounding

also i'm eager to see

how good the Cronus actually is

at keeping things alive

[atomic pelican]

Honestly I rlly dont think you can go too wrong with drukhari. Their whole codex kinda bangs

But theyre also rlly well balanced now

[tawny steeple]

thanks for the ideas bro

[atomic pelican]

Yuss

[tawny steeple]

RAIDERS CAN BE COVEN ALLIGNED?

[atomic pelican]

YEAH

[tawny steeple]

THAT'S SICK

[atomic pelican]

They can get the traitsA

[tawny steeple]

I THOUGHT THEY WERE KABAL ONLY

[atomic pelican]

Its awesome

[tawny steeple]

YESSSS

[atomic pelican]

NOPE

[tawny steeple]

I'm doing the groteqsue run by thing

[atomic pelican]

P much every vehicle can be tagged for either other than like, cronus and such

[tawny steeple]

that's amazing

[atomic pelican]

Hell yea

[tawny steeple]

coven of the twelve

is especially good for that

[atomic pelican]

I would honestly just proxy smthing until you can get grotesques

My bf is actually the one who plays Drukhari but I have too and know alot via proximity

He just uses GSC aberrants

[rose thorn]

LmaO

[tawny steeple]

does anyone know if the Necron flayed one dimension has a name?

[royal mica]

I dont think it has a specific name really

[tawny steeple]

whatever it's name is I bet it translates from the necron language to "The Flayed Dimension"

[royal mica]

matschige flatterhaut nach hause

[tawny steeple]

du sprichst Deutsch?

[royal mica]

nur mit Zugriff auf Google

[tawny steeple]

lol

I am learning it

always looking for native speakers to teach me something

np

[royal mica]

Thougj from voice stuff in a few roleplaying games i cam do a convincing accent im told by a native speaker.

[tawny steeple]

that's something i'll never have

it's hard to make it sound natural I think it's one of the hardest things to overcome learning a new language

is accepting you'll never really get it just right

[royal mica]

Yeh

[midnight mist]

@fierce rose here's the bit that hints at Magnus being the dad of the Blood Ravens. From their Index Astartes article toward the end of 8th edition.

I have a buddy who's got the whole thing in PDF format

I need to poke him about it

[fierce rose]

ooooh

thanks

[midnight mist]

For reference, the middle part that's circled is that the Raven part of their name references the Corvidae Cult of the Thousand Sons

[fierce rose]

ooooh. Yeah. Fair.

[midnight mist]

Also this. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Ravens#Possible_Thousand_Sons_connections

Documented links between the two.

[unique berry]

Warte leute die deutsch können

[livid sorrel]

Solls geben !

[unique berry]

Nice

[short ridge]

Deutsch? Das ist Häresie

[nocturne jetty]

Who is Emperor of Mankind?

[celest dome]

Jimmy Space

[delicate haven]

👌

[shadow plover]

John Warhammer

[tiny raven]

john warhammer and his 39,999 brothers

[outer apex]

sienna

[untold sleet]

Malcador all along.

[storm jungle]

He's the creator of Star Wars

[untold sleet]

Technically correct, the best kind.

[rose thorn]

Do how does hacking work in warhammer?

[lost storm]

My understanding is that it's essentially communing, or forcefully bending the will of, the machine spirit. As soon as you've got a connection (E.g. by data spike), you say a few words of prayer to the Omnissiah (or use a simpler device if you're not that way inclined) and see who's will wins out.

I could be wrong though
I keep thinking back to the Horus Heresy books, and that one particular tech marine which, and this likely isn't a unique scenario, managed to distract a venerable ship's machine spirit for long enough to delay some blast doors before mentally melting.

[rose thorn]

From what I’ve heard about data spikes you can just fuck stab something and manage to hack it or drop off a virus.

[lost storm]

Though if you're talking not-40k-Warhammer.....I have absolutely no idea 😄 Maybe a stone chisel or something.

[rose thorn]

From king maker at least

[lost storm]

Data spike is a method of forcefully making a connection.
Like ramming a USB into a port, without checking which way was the right way.

[rose thorn]

‘Don’t worry guy, I’ll hack this door’

stab stab stab stab

[lost storm]

It's a device that is essentially 'forced entry' and will work in just about any port.
The virus/payload/tech-priest-script would need to be loaded into the data spike and released.

[rose thorn]

What about hacking necrons or eldar tech?

[lost storm]

It's just now that I realise my avatar, which I've had for years, is perfectly suited to this conversation.
What an entry to the Discord server...

[rose thorn]

LmaO

[lost storm]

Good luck 😄
You'd have to know how to manufacture/communicate with that particular tech. No guarantees it'd work, I suppose...
Though I don't dabble too much in Xenos witchery. Leave that for the Ordo.

[storm jungle]

Necron or Eldar tech cant really be hacked.

unless you want your brain fried

[rose thorn]

Fair

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because their technology is literally space magic.

while human made tech is just computing stuff

[lost storm]

And let's not start on the Orks...

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-computer-crash-meme-help-complamation-gif-20724408

[lost storm]

WIllpower will generally only get you so far.
Unless you're an Ork, and then it'll get you everywhere.

[shadow plover]

or unless you're Cawl

[rose thorn]

Also didn’t chaos make a computer virus that literally makes a computer a portal to the warp?

[rocky dune]

Do orks even use computers, to do stuff, or do they just eyeball it and hope it works out?

[lost storm]

Not hope.
They kind of... know it will.
They're not sure how, but it works.

[rose thorn]

They do have their own computers based off their gothic trailer

[lost storm]

I think I remember reading something about a tech-priest trying to reverse-engineer an Ork Stompa's weapon arm, and they noted that there wasn't even any place to store/load ammunition. Yet it wouldn't stop firing during battle. There was no logical explanation on where the ammo came from, unless it was manufactured inside the barrel.

Orks are wild.

[rose thorn]

And when the tech priest picked it up it literally fell apart in their hands

[lost storm]

You remember it, too!
I'm not crazy!

[chilly bridge]

Love me orks

[rose thorn]

Lmao yeah idk where it’s mentioned but I remember that

[unique berry]

Orks are trully different

[lost storm]

@rose thorn So as to the answer of 'how does hacking work', we can summarise the following approaches from different perspectives (happy to see additions/corrections/refinements):

**Imperium: ** Logic and faith. All hail the Omnissiah.
Chaos: Faith in the warp.
**Necron: ** Logic. We were your Omnissiah before the stars were born.
Eldar: Refined shenanigans. Have practiced for centuries/millennia.
Ork: Unrefined shenanigans. Get the grot to fetch a bigger bit, hit it harder, and Mork will make it work.

[royal mica]

Best way to hack necron & eldar security doors and such.

MultiMelta.

[lost storm]

If the walls are absorbing light, maybe just turn around.
And leave the sector.

[rose thorn]

How does tau hack? Porbably just like actual hacking lmao

[lost storm]

ooh, didn't think of the Tau....
I'd lump them in sort of with the Eldar, but I could be completely off on that one.

[royal mica]

I mean... if you shoot something with a lasgun that thing is "absorbing" light... issue is how well it can contain that energy as its converted into thermal.

... that said if its absorbing a massive blast of nuclear fusion energy very efficently... well. Any problem can be solved by the proper application of force...

So bring in the leviathan dreadnought with the cyclonic melta cannon.

[unique berry]

The Tau look more like they would try actual hacking

[royal mica]

Yeah, using the AI in their drones to bruteforce their way through systems,

[lost storm]

Maybe the Tau are the only ones who have a concept of programming and technical application, in line with what we would understand 😄
The Imperium if they hadn't stagnated their tech?

[royal mica]

Which becomes really uncomfortable when they arrive at a door and find its operated by a servitor brain and portion of the body built right into the wall...

[unique berry]

Wouldnt be surprised tbh

[lost storm]

So, to update:

**Imperium: ** Logic and faith. All hail the Omnissiah.
Chaos: Faith in the warp. Chaos provides for the worthy.
**Necron: ** Logic. We were your Omnissiah before the stars were born.
Eldar: Refined shenanigans. Have practiced for centuries/millennia.
Ork: Unrefined shenanigans. Get the grot to fetch a bigger bit, hit it harder, and Mork will make it work
Tau: C++, Visual Basic and the like. How do you all not know this...?

[royal mica]

Then the tau computer/drone starts sprouting tentacles, mouths, 8 pointed stars, and speaking in black tongues.

"Because we remember the dark age of technology..."

[storm jungle]

Tau got actual hacking stuff

look at the uh

killteam pathfinders

they got wristpads and everything

[rose thorn]

Also LoV would also use C++

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/hack-the-planet-gif-15624885

[royal mica]

Hehe, there is a big reason why The Emperor would just wipe out human worlds that had advanced AIs and such.. and not cause he watched terminator 1 & 2 a lot...

And adeptus have hacking programs and all, they just call it machine and data spirits cause they really dig that oil flavored koolaid..

[rose thorn]

Tyranids/GSC hacking hMmm

[lost storm]

Delicious, thrice-refined-and-blessed Koolaid...

[lost storm]

Everything dissolves with the right application of biofluid. Anything that needs to think for itself is part of the hivemind.

[shadow plover]

Well C++ is the language of the gods so

[lost storm]

@rose thorn Alrighty then, how's this for the updated hacking perspectives:

**Imperium: ** Logic and faith in the machine. All hail the Omnissiah.
**Chaos: ** Faith in the warp. Chaos provides for the worthy.
**Necron: ** Logic. We were your Omnissiah before the stars were born.
**Eldar: ** Refined shenanigans. Have practiced for centuries/millennia.
**Ork: **Unrefined shenanigans. Get the grot to fetch a bigger bit, hit it harder, and Mork'll do the rest.
**Tau: ** C++, Visual Basic and the like. How do you all not know this...?
Tyranid: The hive mind knows the door to open. For everything else, there's bioplasma..

[summer niche]

imagine trying to hack craftworld, and all the souls just beat the shit out of you and throw you out

💀

not to forget the damn SPIDERS

don't the necrons literally have space magic? or is it actually based on logic?

[storm jungle]

Nope.

Literally space magic.

[summer niche]

yeah i thought so

it's even less explained than the warp

necron runes lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao its literally that

"What do we make necrons use for computers"

"Uhhh i dunno, add the word 'glyph' to the beginning of everything"

[royal mica]

Reality. Thats their computer.

[shadow plover]

necrons just have so high skill level in science it's magic to us 😎

[lost storm]

Updated for Necron space magic:

**Imperium: ** Logic and faith in the machine. All hail the Omnissiah.
**Chaos: ** Faith in the warp. Chaos provides for the worthy.
**Necron: ** Runes & Glyphs. We were your Omnissiah before the stars were born.
**Eldar: ** Refined shenanigans. Have practiced for centuries/millennia.
**Ork: **Unrefined shenanigans. Get the grot to fetch a bigger bit, hit it harder, and Mork'll do the rest.
**Tau: ** C++, Visual Basic and the like. How do you all not know this...?
Tyranid: The hive mind knows the door to open. For everything else, there's bioplasma.

[eternal cipher]

Hello, I received the key to the closed beta. I wanted to clarify, if I'm a streamer on a twitch who talks about new games, shows the pros and cons of this game, can I broadcast a closed beta?

[summer niche]

dude, lore chat? really? #1029400626452496454

[unique berry]

People cant read

[eternal cipher]

That's what I'm talking about when I broadcast any other game, before issuing the key, I was sent a channel with content creators for the game. I decided to clarify, is it the same here? Or doesn't it matter? Please, without ridicule. Because there are different developers and everyone has a different plan for the game and content.

[lost storm]

You'll get an answer over in the #1029400626452496454 , not in this channel, which is #40k-lore-chat .
I'd suggest asking in the #general-chat

[muted jungle]

yes sigmar allows you to do that as written in the holy #1029400626452496454

[eternal cipher]

Thanks!

[eternal cipher]

🥺okay

[rose thorn]

also add magic to all of them but tau lmao

[barren tapir]

I have only one thing to say... LOL

This is exactly the scene that is described as Van Saar looking at how all others treat technology

[coarse mirage]

It's a bit amusing how such a supreme manipulator, orator and demagogue as the Emperor could get humans so wrong.

Was 30k as depressing as 40k?

[storm harbor]

the ashes of a once glorious empire was a radioactive mess right? so he felt like he'd do a little restoration

Aurelius-style

[coarse mirage]

I would've thought he understood the importance of feeding people and letting them, you know, live in decent conditions.

[storm harbor]

he aint got time for that minutiae

[coarse mirage]

But it's important things

[storm harbor]

i dont disagree with you

[coarse mirage]

One of his grandest miscalculations and misunderstandings

So you can sorta see where heretics are coming from

[storm harbor]

i mean some of the most well known leaders from actual history had shortcomings too

[coarse mirage]

And how convincing the Tau can be

[storm harbor]

so he was pretty human in how he had shortcomings

[coarse mirage]

I remember watching a documentary where a Soviet leader talked about how the US understood something they didn't, that you need to feed, clothe and keep people content before you begin political indoctrination.

[coarse mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-irony-irony-ironic-gif-6233732

"It's like poetry, it rhymes."

I'm gonna roleplay my character in Darktide as a heretic

Just a general kind of heretic, one that doens't agree with things.

Chaos worship is for suckers

[storm harbor]

I think one of the Psyker characters would suit that

I forget the name but the description was "calls out the failings of the empire"

[coarse mirage]

I do really like the African male voice

[storm harbor]

sorry, imperium

[coarse mirage]

He sounds intelligent, thoughtful and bitter

Yet dignified

Brings me to think about one of the characters from Dawn of War

The libriarian

Avitus betrayal in DoW 2 is the best one though. He gets it.

Everything sucks, it's pointless, endless trash.

It's almost 4th wall breaking

He's tired of the grimdark writing.

[barren tapir]

He did... But there were too many world for him to control each one, also remember that the current situation is a result of him not being present anymore to uphold his ideas

Big G too recognized it, and openly said to Dante to stop keeping baal the hellhole it is and to start making it a nice world, and to stop keeping worlds as shitholes in general and to care about the population

[storm jungle]

It was.

Basically same as today's Imperium, they just had more of a military might. Slavery, planetary conquest, genocide, etc was still around and enforced

[coarse mirage]

Yeah I understand that it’s fallen apart from his vision

[coarse mirage]

Ah okay

[rose thorn]

Imperial knight houses remain the best planets to live on in 40K and 30k

[storm jungle]

As long as the knight houses arent ran by asshole nobles mostly

[barren tapir]

Not really

The best worlds are those that aren't bothered by the imperium

[rose thorn]

better hope the nobles are too busy being rich to notice your poor asses

[barren tapir]

If that isn't available then civilized worlds would be the best choice

[storm jungle]

Just like real life

[barren tapir]

Remember, knight worlds are not places where you are free to do what you want, you are a servant, and nobles can do whatever they want to you

[rose thorn]

Except for the fact that there’s countless alien species wanting to murder or eat you

[barren tapir]

Civilized worlds are self reliant for food, and depending on their richest capable to field even their own fleets

[coarse mirage]

Paradise worlds, it's in the name

[barren tapir]

Don't think that PDF are just there as show, many battles are fought, and didn't require the intervention of imperium forces thanks to those unsung heroes

[rose thorn]

Most, at least follow codes of chivalry and protecting the common folk. As long as you don’t mind boot kissing and farming. You should be fine

If you are lucky you might marry into the blood line

[barren tapir]

The name isn't always what it is though...

[coarse mirage]

Well if it's anything like Bretonnia...

[rose thorn]

Paradise for the rich lmao

[coarse mirage]

The worlds themselves are pretty though

[atomic pelican]

Paradise world of abusing servants -> Slaanesh cult pipeline

Infact thats p much always their purpose in books Lmao

[storm jungle]

This yep.

[rose thorn]

It’s exactly like bretonnia except with out the sexism and phobias. Aka bretonnias but cooler and with giant mechs.

unless you are on a questor mechancius knight world then you are 70% fucked

[storm jungle]

Paradise worlds are literally only good if you are rich

otherwise lmao

[barren tapir]

I repeat myself, best world would be a civilized world, mostly from a resource POV, you don't rely on outside source for food, you are capable to build stuff for yourself, and you are actually enough numerous to have a big enough PDF and SDF if you are lucky

[rose thorn]

Questor imperialis knight worlds are kek

[coarse mirage]

Questor being the ones more aligned with Mars?

[rose thorn]

Questor mechanicum are basically cult mechanicum knight worlds

[barren tapir]

Questor is the fancy name for knights

[coarse mirage]

The trademarkable name

[storm jungle]

Allying with the Mechanicus basically ensures your world will be a pollution filled hellhole in 2 generations.

[barren tapir]

Mechanicus or imperialis are what indicate their allegiance

[rose thorn]

Imperialis is loyal to the imperium

Mechanicum is loyal to the mechanicus

[coarse mirage]

They are neat. But battlesuits are more neat.

[atomic pelican]

Mm yummy carbon poisoning

[coarse mirage]

Your name rings a bell

[rose thorn]

LMAO yeah exactly. The best one to live on is the one that views people as machines and is hell bent on revenge. think it’s house…. Hhhhh

For mechanicum

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/smog-air-pollution-pollution-bad-air-gif-12428217

[storm jungle]

[barren tapir]

Oh oh oh, wait, we are watching Dilara being recognized by external sources

[coarse mirage]

I'm not sure

Maybe I've been in here before

[rose thorn]

House Krast?

Vulker isn’t great either as they are fully intrenched in the cult of mechanicum and refuse all outside influence

House griffith’s dragons end is a dog shit planet to live on, but the y are pretty chill. As long as you don’t insult their skill at arms

Considering the planet is a fucking purely volcanic and lacks all forms of usable resources

[coarse mirage]

I did enjoy that Guilliman is trying to stop that whole "We gotta treat them all like shit or our recruits are no good". I remember it from the Baal book

A normal guy's dying wish is for his brain damaged son to be recruited, and one of the Blood Angels take him in for the process, telling the guy (before his death) that they can probably fix his son in the process.

[rose thorn]

LMAO HOW WOULD YOH EVEN DO THAT

‘We grabbed some spare brains and did a replacement

[coarse mirage]

It was minor damage to his head that had made him mute

[rose thorn]

OH

[coarse mirage]

Astarters go through gene therapy and massive reconstruction after all

[storm jungle]

It was the recruitment process that made him mentally damaged to begin with.

[coarse mirage]

It also that the boy was gentle and caring

[storm jungle]

At the end of the book as Orange says they agree to take the kid again

and uh

the marine snaps his dad's neck

mostly because he was infected with tyranid bioforms and was dying

so its an acknowledged mercy killing on both their parts at least

[coarse mirage]

I remember the Astartes talking about how they were changing the recruit selection process

Not to the guy

But between each other

Something about Guilliman wanting them to stop with this "harsh conditions make for best candidates" bs

When in reality that just makes them cruel and cold as Astartes too.

It's not strange that he gets along with the Aeldari, they seem to be the only ones that understand him

[oak coyote]

Been playing some dawn of war 2 recently, and it’s reignited my love for the gaurd

Like 4 survived to the end of the mission but that’s just expected

[unique berry]

Winter Assault is such a good addon

[desert beacon]

I think Winter Assault is when i started caring about the Guard

[royal mica]

Its been a while, but i think a good portion was just shock. Something unthinkable had just happened, on top of ||general chaos hoodoo bullshit||. Marines know no fear, but can be surprised and that situation i think it fits. Dude was just Hard enough he shook it off and got things done.

Aahh, yeah, its been a while so.. shrugs could have just been they just didnt quite realize. Should have.been able to handle the fight easily all considering. Honestly, i dont know:T

No prob! Its fun to speculate and theorize, and wonder just what some of the writers was smoking on occasion

[unique berry]

This dlc made them my favorite faction

[royal mica]

Winter assault was dow 1

... yeah, il have to dig out the audiobook again cause that is a weird damn scene.

Not sure

Heheh, im between.. mostly listen to audiobooks at work, last deadtree one i read was the macharius trilogy, which rocked to all fuck. Hoping it gets recorded soon...

Fave scene was ||MC getting between macharius and space wolves doing their normal bullshit, shoves a shotgun in ones face (to their delighted amazement, guards men with balls!!!) And when they start sniffing he asks of he farted or something. Which just stuns the wolves and they declare he gets to join them as they drink. Mjød. You know... the stuff that gets space marines trashed. And while generals are drinking shotglasses they got this dude chugging steins. Next day hung over and in more agony then a dark eldar haemoculus could cause, he declares the fucking bastards were trying to kill him.||

Hehehe,

Prob not in action as the stuff would be like chugging 90% pure rubbing alcohol..

Heheh

[unique berry]

Thats golden

[tacit obsidian]

is thare a video i can watch so i know the basic of lore for darktide?

[storm harbor]

The gamescom trailer?

[tacit obsidian]

oh yea i gusse that wil do thanks

[plush mason]

wtf

[tacit obsidian]

did it delete the video you posted?

[plush mason]

did not Luetin have a whole video on the lore of darktide?

i cant find it on his channel anymore

[plush mason]

no i did cause it was the wrong video

[tacit obsidian]

is it this one?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwLoEhgcyzc&t=2164s&ab_channel=Luetin09

[plush mason]

yes ty

i just found it myself

[rose thorn]

Hey if I made a chaos knight pilot who cosplays as a vampire and is a hard core cannibal and drinks blood like wine would that be more of a mark of khrone or mark of Slaanesh things

After I make my imperial knights imma make chaos knights as my hunger for giant mechs is unquenchable

[storm jungle]

Sounds good to me chief

[rose thorn]

Is cannibalism a Slaanesh thing or khorne thing tho

[storm jungle]

Both work.

There has been cannibilistic khorne cults

[real stone]

I'd say that Vampirism is more of a Khorne thing, blood for the blood god and whatnot, but it probably comes down to how they do it? If the person is just going for the sake of the blood, then khorne. If they're enjoying it that'd be more slaaneshi thinh

[storm jungle]

ala like the Necromundan corpse-grinder cults

[rose thorn]

Ah fair

[storm jungle]

Ahem

[rose thorn]

PFfff

[storm jungle]

Its from Warhammer Fantasy but you get my point

[rose thorn]

He’s trying to follow health and code safety

[royal mica]

man... just the risk one takes from trying to drink the blood from a slaanesh cultist. who knows how many STDs and what kinda drugs are pumping in those veins..

[royal mica]

...
random game idea.
Guard troop/inquistor acolytes land on planet undergoing rebellion. things going as normal, burn, purge, repeat.
Start getting news of guardsmen and civilians murdered in "safe" zones. biggest identifying feature is tend to just be cleanly gutted, and all have a patch of skin missing.

Eventually start investigating and find the missing patch are tattoos. more investigating finds its not just like, regimental or clan stuff, but personal ones..
Things continue on as new side thing happens. Dead soldiers and troops are found wandering the field, but not in the plague of the faithless style. just kinda wander about aimlesly, sometimes into bases, sometime just whereever..

Cause is local creature called "Ghillies" which are known for killing creatures, drinking their guts, and worming into the body to wear as a protective shell..
Turns out is a full on sentiant xeno race. Has been going about killing officers and other important people.. And couple caught with patches of skin with tattoos on them.

things happen, more searching and fighting (ghillies are tough as the corpse acts as some effective armor) and get some lore stuff.. The collected patches of skin are being used to form a ritual robe.. It ties to the tattoos, which holds a spark of the former owners creativity, personality, and small hint of a soul. Theory is that by patching so many pieces together it can create a protective shroud... Which would allow a person to act as a Daemonhost, but as there are so many small bits of soul and such trapped along side, it cant find he actual host to devour and take over the body. This allows the person to gain all the daemonhosts powers, without getting ate up. Group now has to rush to stop this ritual before it finishes unleashing something akin to a daemon prince into the world unrestrained..

thoughts, viability..?

[placid maple]

Doable, sounds like the old Blade Runner game

And there the replicant can be anyone and changes with each playthrough.

[royal mica]

... Feck. Forgot detail that the ghillies are chaos tainted xenos. seem to have constructed the suit ritual thing and helping the arch heretic in their plot.

[plush mason]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grey_Knights

[mossy mortar]

Just make loyalists who drink blood. Mke them allies of blood angels

Or make them mongol inspired rough riders and they drink the blood of their mounts

Or maasai inspired snd they just eat milk and blood as staples

[royal mica]

Nah. ||Khorne||

[plush mason]

so the followers of khorne wear brass collars in 40k like they did in fantasy?

[celest dome]

Brass Collars are rarer in 40k

[storm jungle]

They wear anything brass

AoS/40k/WHF chaos god principles more or so all work the same

[worn cargo]

Is that in a reference to the brass bull

[plush mason]

but arent the collars special? like they give the wearer more power and protections while also driving them insane with rage in fantasy iirc

[worn cargo]

actually didn’t they make a fantasy reference to the exact brass bull?

And made him khorne?

[plush mason]

ye the doombull dude

[worn cargo]

Maybe the brass is burning them to make them angrier

I’d be angry

[celest dome]

Jusr protection against Psyker stuff

[celest dome]

Taurox the Brass Bull, though never explicitly stated that he was Khornate (Though every one know that he is)

[storm jungle]

Yeah its one of the hilarious things about his lore

Despite his brass motiff, aesthetics and origin fitting those of a worshipper of Khorne, as well as the emissary that he ate being described as crimson-skinned, Taurox is never explicitly stated to be a follower of Khorne in the 7th Edition Beastmen Armybook. He is instead described as being blessed by all four of the Chaos Gods.

[plush mason]

yeah sure

[worn cargo]

Whaaa?

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sandy-cheeks-no-you-aint-no-nope-gif-16522051

[storm jungle]

I guess the writers just forgot

which is fair

hes a beastman after all

[fallen nymph]

Just like they forgot about Skarsnik in End Times

[storm jungle]

RIP

[celest dome]

It was due to another lore part to, where the Beastmen are all born with the blessing of the 4, but having "lost" it like the Fimir. Never trully becoming Daemon Prince anymore

[worn cargo]

they did goblin dirty

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a mix of things.

It doesnt help that beastmen are literally never cared for as a faction in fantasy.

[worn cargo]

I think it’s just because they’re the younger cousins of the guys in big armor & tribes isn’t it?

[celest dome]

I mean it's part of their lore so it's fitting

[plush mason]

i heard that the original lore for the beastmen was really fucking out there

[celest dome]

Older, more ancient

[fallen nymph]

Oh who's the crazy morrslieb alien one, I can't remember his name rn

[celest dome]

Moonclaw

[fallen nymph]

But they're insane and I love em

YES Moonclaw!

[plush mason]

who?

[fallen nymph]

Also all the really old chaos stuff like Mordrek the Damned, he's fun too

[storm jungle]

Beastman special character whos basically an alien

[fallen nymph]

Morsslieb literally fired his asteroid/egg at the planet

[storm jungle]

Basically a lot more edgy on the way that they "reproduced"

now they got female beastmen or mutant kids they "rescue" from the woods after their parents leave them to die

its the PG13 loophole

[fallen nymph]

Feel like shit, just want my Slaangors back

[celest dome]

Gaves, but Gors still are supposed to reproduce normally irrc

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not super touched on for obvious reasons

[plush mason]

ye

[tiny raven]

taurox is a teddy bear

[summer niche]

oh so they removed the forceful reproduction huh, prob for the better. it fit them, but always left a bad taste in the mouth

[tawdry escarp]

Didn't they also make female beastmen really meek?

[celest dome]

Yes

Apart from Harpys who are reversed in their tribe inner working

[storm jungle]

They literally got one sentence of lore

which is that they are "shy" but "gentle"

💀

[tawdry escarp]

That makes sense. Harpies have always been depicted as matriarchal

[tawdry escarp]

100% furry bait

[celest dome]

Wasn't there a rumour that there was gonna be female beastmen lord ? Before the whole ET thing?

[storm jungle]

Doubt it

WHF barely had any female characters to begin with mini-wise

AOS is more or so doubling its efforts and doing the opposite which is neat

[summer niche]

C-cute

~~~

[storm jungle]

💀

[summer niche]

i just want a cute minotaur girl to step on me :pepehands:

[visual pumice]

Dilly tries to deny the appeal of the minotaur mommy

[storm jungle]

AAA

[plush mason]

wtf

[tawdry escarp]

Like I said. Furry bait

[plush mason]

i leave the chat for just a bit and come back to "minotaur mommy"

[lavish thorn]

Abandon thread

[celest dome]

Time for a purge

[rose thorn]

How do you make lore for a war dog class chaos knight?

The little fuckers

[shadow plover]

angry squire

[rose thorn]

Fair

[shadow plover]

some cultist who murdered the old owner and forced the machine to his will somehow with chaos fuckery

[rose thorn]

So what’s the chance of Tyranids having souls?

[echo hearth]

are digganobz still cannon?

[rose thorn]

I’m 90% sure they are

[civic tangle]

Wouldn't that just be the hive mind collective?

[atomic pelican]

Tyranids themselves dont have souls, cultists do tho

[rose thorn]

DABBBBB

Hi hi

[civic tangle]

But why didn't the God Emperer (my he sit upon the Golden Throne and protect us forever) protect those fallen souls?

[atomic pelican]

Hewo

[rose thorn]

Second question

I feel like peole saying genestealer cults like, personality and souls are suppressed. But like,,, aren’t most gsc cultists born cultists lmao

[atomic pelican]

Ye

Statistically yeah, a very small % of cultists are the Contagii(infected converts) as opposed to born cultists

12 contagii turn into like potentially 100s of born cultists through generations

[rose thorn]

Born cultists even accurate as they just have a higher chance or rebelling

But if they are treated like

People

They are likely to not revolt lmao

[atomic pelican]

Revolt against what?

[rose thorn]

The tyrannical imperial government LMAO

So like everything in 40K lore

[atomic pelican]

Oh yeah

DBSBD

[rose thorn]

It’s the imperium’s fault

[atomic pelican]

Yeah theres a reason the Tau have had like, only one major GSC outbreak

Shockingly when you dont treat your lowest classes like garbage, they dont easily fall to alien gods to slaughter you

[rose thorn]

If I’m correct, wasn’t it on a tau mining world?

[atomic pelican]

It was on a research world

It brokeout because tau scientists got a bit too interested in the infection

[rose thorn]

Wow really?

[atomic pelican]

And willingly infected some of their own

[rose thorn]

ahHhh

Oh so the twisted helix method

[atomic pelican]

Alot like Twisted Helix actually

Yeah

Short story goes that a fire caste cadre and an ethereal went there, went quiet for awhile. Then declared all was fine

Iirc

[rose thorn]

Isn’t it weird that, the genestealer curse is the best way to the perfect life form hMmm

[atomic pelican]

So as to whether the ethereal was infected or not, is a mystery

[civic tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-concern-meme-40k-tech-priest-commissar-gif-19826274

[rose thorn]

Also day like 7 of me trying to not spend a shit load of money to convert the cadia stand box into brood brothers

I wonder is ir specifically

Cadia

Or cadia stands

Ah cadia stands that does that

Good bot

[atomic pelican]

I would wait to see if GW breaks brood brothers or not

60% chance GW forgets about them and somehow breaks their army creation

[rose thorn]

LmaO

I was planning to run them as guard brood flavored

[atomic pelican]

Im probably going to run a BB detachment, I really like the new tank look

[rose thorn]

Has, a brood brother ever gotten into a serious place of command?

[cloud token]

Uh did general get nuked?

Nvm

[atomic pelican]

Well. Entire regiments have fallen to the infection.

The 8e codex implied that the Guards Primer had been infiltrated by GSC and edited to falsify info

[rose thorn]

Any examples, I’m trying to get a good color scheme if I do lmao

[atomic pelican]

So Guard are taught false info abt them

[rose thorn]

AHAHAHSHDHhabah

[atomic pelican]

The Hivecult is the most notable

[rose thorn]

OH yeHhh

[atomic pelican]

Canonwise theyre MOSTLY BB

[rose thorn]

Shame their color scheme is very mid

[atomic pelican]

I like the rich purple and gold

[rose thorn]

Their banner color scheme is so much fucking better yeah

[atomic pelican]

Theyd have the best banner if Bladed Cog didnt have a fabgen strapped to their's

[rose thorn]

Actually that applies to all of the genestealer cults, their banner schemes are 100 times better then their official model color schemes

Like

Twisted helix mroe like, bright fucking blue metal

[atomic pelican]

Yeeee

[rose thorn]

Suspicion that we might get a brood bother army of renown

[atomic pelican]

God I wish

[rose thorn]

Some time soon

Me too

[atomic pelican]

I just wish Hivecult could take BB in their own army and retain crossfire

For the BB

[rose thorn]

100% agree

Maybe make it like, a 3cp pregame stratagem tahts like ‘oh yeah you can take any number of BB with out breaking Purity’

Or just like

Idk

Maybe the new codex will have a paragraph and a half

[atomic pelican]

Probably

Honestly gonna giggle

Genuine chance guard dont have <REGIMENT> anymore and it just breaks BB

[rose thorn]

LMAO if they don’t, they also break forge world models

[atomic pelican]

Iirc when 9e cwe released they forgot to infantry lock wave serpents

So wraithknights could embark

[rose thorn]

what

[atomic pelican]

Yeah LMAO

[rose thorn]

‘We have them cornered no escape now’

Then just like, fucking wraith knight transformer

[atomic pelican]

LMAO

[worn cargo]

AND HIS MAME IS JOHN WRAITH KNIGHT

🍻

GOOD WRITING

[rose thorn]

‘WRAITH KNIGHTS, ROLL OUT’

Omfg imagine If fucking Michael bay made a 40K anytning

Just like, scenes form transformers but instead they just replace the transformers with knights or what ever

[latent ravine]

Micheal Bay discovers Orks and finally has a source material that loves explosions as much as he does

[rose thorn]

Idk why I feel like micheal bay would like the most basic fucking faction like ultra marines or something

No wiat

He would like leagues of votann because he’s short

[covert geyser]

i feel like he'd do something one step down from ultramarines

[rose thorn]

Oh like those ultra marines that are obsessed with strategy or something boring.

[covert geyser]

no i mean like, he'd be all "oh you'd never guess who it's about" and then do like salamanders or smth

[rose thorn]

It has to be soemthing easy to write since he can’t write actual characters for the life of him

[covert geyser]

salamanders = good guy space marines whose main character trait is they are good

according to michael bay at least

[atomic pelican]

Main character trait is that their symbol is dangerously close to the Bad Dragon logo

[winter depot]

They are also fond of fire.

[covert geyser]

exactly

who would be the badguy

[rose thorn]

What was that water flavored chapter that fucked over a bunch of eldar? The invaders or soemthing

[winter depot]

Dark Eldar, a classic.

[covert geyser]

can't be slaanesh, bay's too horny to make slaanesh a bad guy

[atomic pelican]

It was just gavs OC ultramarines. Hang on

[rose thorn]

Nah he has to keep it pg-13

Tyranids

[covert geyser]

nah

necrons

[winter depot]

Necrons then

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[covert geyser]

necrons disintegrate everything, and they're robots and killing robots isn't adult right

[winter depot]

No one will bat an eye about mowing down evil robots.

[covert geyser]

no blood = kid friendly

[winter depot]

Daemons.

[rose thorn]

Lmao yeah

[winter depot]

Let's see those cg artist render some pink horrors and their splits.

[rose thorn]

This movie is gonna have a funding of like 22 dollars most likely

[atomic pelican]

Nvm actually there just happen to be 2 ultramarine chapters who have invaded craftworlds. Invaders is right for one of them

[covert geyser]

what about a comedy show about a couple of orks trying to find a specific marine because he blew up their favorite bike

[winter depot]

Perfect. Can just spray paint them blue for the split scenes, then set those on fire later for the brimstones. Saves a ton.

[rose thorn]

It’s an American making a movie on a European property

[covert geyser]

it may be european, but it's monetization scheme is 100% red white and blue american

[rose thorn]

I wonder how can a chapter have the most boring name ever

Imma look at their lex

Oh they are IF

THEY FUCKING AIDED THE GREY KNIGHTS, AND LIVED?!

[covert geyser]

lmao

[winter depot]

At least they aren't the Soul Drinkers. I hate them so much.

Spider leg mutation? MUST BE A SIGN OF FAVOR FROM THE EMPEROR!

[rose thorn]

I DONT CARE THEY WERE MIND WIPED THERE WAS A SMALL HANDFUL LEFT, THEY WOULD HIST FUCKING KILL THEM

[rose thorn]

That’s honestly really funny

That’s 100% what smaller imperial cults do

[winter depot]

The entire series is like that and just keeps going. They literally kill other loyalists and hijack their chapter because they are clearly in the right

[rose thorn]

Wiat, series?

[winter depot]

BEN COUNTER'S SOUL DRINKERS

I cannot recommend them

[rose thorn]

SERIES?! HOW CAN YOU MAKE A SERIES ON THEM

[winter depot]

I don't know why I read like four of the books before giving up

BECAUSE THEY JUST KEEP GOING

[rose thorn]

Don’t the fucking red scorpions have one book?

[winter depot]

Soul Drinkers got seven

All full-length novels.

[rose thorn]

6?!??

[crisp heath]

I want a Book about the Pillar Men. AWAKEN MY QUIVERING ABS!

[rose thorn]

SEVEN

FUCOING VOOKS

THATS MORE THEN SOME FOUDNING CHAPTERS

[winter depot]

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

[rose thorn]

INCLUDING HH

EMPERORS CHILDRBE HAVE LIEK, 3!!?!?

[winter depot]

THE LEADER IS A TRANSMITTER, NOT A RECIEVER, AS BEN POINTS OUT MANY, MANY TIMES.

[rose thorn]

WHAT DOES RHAT MEAN

[winter depot]

HE'S GOOD AT SENDING OUT PSYKER STUFF, NOT CATCHING IT

[rose thorn]

So he’s a, fucking what it’s called

The human radios

[winter depot]

Pretty much.

And they constantly were like that one Simpson's meme of Skinner. "Am I a mutant freak? No, it must be literally everyone else that is wrong.

[rose thorn]

It feels weird chapter masters being Psykers

Idk why

[winter depot]

Oh, see, he killed the chapter master and took on the job.
In a duel when he was trying to prove they were not chaos-touched.
Killing the original with his many spider legs that his legs mutated into during the fight.

CLEARLY NOT CHAOS

[rose thorn]

That sounds like a chaos knight pilot back story

[covert geyser]

not chaos touched
literally half a spider

🤔

hmm i wonder if they're gonna have chaos trouble

[winter depot]

Trust me, it keeps going like this. Each time they seem on the brink of figuring it out, they just double down.

[covert geyser]

and these are marines, correct?

[rose thorn]

Okay good they don’t have table top rules

[winter depot]

Think the last book of the series I read had the lord of change messing with them having a giggle.

[rose thorn]

I was gonna see if they do

[winter depot]

YEP

[winter depot]

Thankfully not. THink they are restricted to lore.

[rose thorn]

I wanted to shout out this guy’s models

[covert geyser]

"Lord Astartes, are you alright? You seem to have devil horns and wings made of flayed human corpses."
"Nothing to worry about, Guardsman, perfectly normal for a Space Marine"

[rose thorn]

THEY ARE PRIMARIS MAIRNES?!

WHAT

I WAS LIKE ‘oh this must just be old a shit like cursed foudning

[winter depot]

Those are rad

[rose thorn]

BUT THEY LIVED TO PRIMARIS?!

[winter depot]

The Soul Drinkers were ultimately destroyed as a Chapter in the late 41st Millennium

[rose thorn]

Oh they rebounded

Refounded*

[winter depot]

Yeah. Not the crazy old ones.

[rose thorn]

That, doesn’t seem like a good idea but I guess they had left over geneseed

[covert geyser]

speaking of people who survived to primaris, do we know how the lamenters are doing now adays?

[winter depot]

...I don't know, and I am scared to find out.

[rose thorn]

Still cursed

[covert geyser]

last i checked girlyman called them back from their crusade and actually sent them reenforcements

[winter depot]

As long as TRANSMITTER NOT A RECIEVER is gone, hopefully they'll be a bit smarter this time.

[rose thorn]

Actually I believe they have a worsened what ever it’s called

[covert geyser]

cause he's not a fucking idiot and knows who is loyal

[rose thorn]

Black thirst?

What is it called

Uhhhh

[winter depot]

The Lamentors have to live in the grimmest darkness

[covert geyser]

red thirst black rage i think

[rose thorn]

YEAH

They have a lessened red thirst

But a much much worse black rage

I believe

[winter depot]

Everyone's Horus?

[rose thorn]

This feels like a threat and idk why

[covert geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/alpharius-im-alpharius-alpha-legion-alpha-legion-gif-26803218

[rose thorn]

‘Hey bitch, everyone’s horus?’

[winter depot]

I was trying to think of how they could have a worse black rage. XD

[rose thorn]

Anyway that’s why imperial and chaos knights are 1000 times cooler

[winter depot]

Thousand Sons best sons.

[covert geyser]

also, am i the only one who thought that the tau actually being a decent place to live is better than current canon?

[rose thorn]

Tau is actually a decent place tho

But you will be scarified for the greater good, aka tau

[covert geyser]

like, it's one thing to have everything suck to varying degrees, it's another to have something pure be on the brink of suffocation at every turn

[winter depot]

The T'au had to be grim-darked up. But Farsight is still a pretty chill dude.

[rose thorn]

Also you need to place your self below the tau species

[covert geyser]

old lore had tau be like a nice democratic place where everyone was happy, now it's kinda the ruling class control everyone's minds

[winter depot]

Not the originals. They legit are the only empire that is growing rather than declining, and is more than willing to accept everyone so long as greater good.

[covert geyser]

also, don't tau have functioning AI?

[winter depot]

Only the tau minds, using pheromones. Some of the Ethereals are still cool though.

[winter depot]

TECHNICALLY, they tend to be copies of minds, but yes.

[rose thorn]

Knight worlds are still, mostly, pretty kek to live on

[winter depot]

Farsight's first book has quite a few of his friends as robots.

[rose thorn]

Questor imperialist specially

And you don’t mind being a medieval peasant

[winter depot]

What about genestealer worlds?

Fine up until, you know, the 'nids pop in.

[rose thorn]

I think it depends how far their gods are

[covert geyser]

i wonder if ai in 40k always turn on their creators not cause they're evil but because the people that make them are shit people