#40k-lore-chat

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rose thorn
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What’s your favorite cult?

atomic pelican
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Hmm my opinion is a little biased because theres p much an autopick on the table

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+I like Lelith

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So Strife

rose thorn
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Lmao, to be fair the other two main ones don’t seem very interesting

atomic pelican
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Yeah Strife has the most expansion

rose thorn
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I’m a firm believer that every subfaction in every amry should have a named character

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Taht you can play on table top

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Except space marines successors lamo

atomic pelican
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Honestly I think it'd work fine if named characters werent subfaction locked

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Like how Abaddon isnt BL locked

rose thorn
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Yeah that would be great too

atomic pelican
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Eldrad rlly shouldnt be Ulthwe locked considering hes a exile LMAO

rose thorn
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I love how people get Abaddon and always kitbash them into their own characters lmao

atomic pelican
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Hes an amazing model

rose thorn
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I’d love to see people do it with other named characters

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Very very true

atomic pelican
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Also helps that theres like

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1 good chaos lord model rn

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Which is the BSF one, and hes like HARD monopose

rose thorn
atomic pelican
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Yeee Eldrad got exiled from Ulthwe for stealing soulstones for the Ynnari

rose thorn
rose thorn
atomic pelican
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Ehhh its iffy

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Hes not Ynnari but he helps them Alot

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Going so far as to having been the one who summoned the Yncarne into being

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Also I think CWE players would riot if Eldrad, a oldy, got dragged into the Ynnari pits by gav

rose thorn
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Lmao

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How are ynnari now anyway?

atomic pelican
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Tabletop or lore?

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They havent rlly done anything lorewise in a few years so what you know abt them is probably up to date

rose thorn
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Both lol

atomic pelican
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Tabletop wise theyre fine. Theyre very Weird tho

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Their soup rules seem designrd to create anti-synergies

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Which sucks

rose thorn
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Gimmick wierd or usual soup weird

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What?!

atomic pelican
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Also theyre just a Craftworld that can take limited drukhari and harle options rather than their own real army

rose thorn
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That sucks :(

atomic pelican
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For every Drukhari unit. There must be a craftworld unit of the same slot

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+Drukhari units lose basicslly everything that makes them good

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So in theory, the ideal would be to run Drukhari troops(bcux CWE ones suck) and Asuryani elites/fast attack

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But you cant do that because they have to match slots

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Theyre actually doing well stats wise but thats mostly bcuz they can take Harlequins who are busted

rose thorn
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I hate when that stuff happens Lmao

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I know the old chaos demons undivided rules forced you to take the same amount of models for each god you bring

atomic pelican
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Also you cant do fun combos that would Bang, like fire dragons in a raider

rose thorn
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Idk the new one though

atomic pelican
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Because transports are Drukhari/Asuryani locked rather than Ynnari keyed

rose thorn
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But I heard new chaos demons are just

Flamers and blood letters lmao

atomic pelican
rose thorn
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So it’s not very flavorful?

atomic pelican
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But from what ive heard, they arent rlly worth it

rose thorn
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That’s a bummer

atomic pelican
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Be'lakor is kind of hard carrying daemons rn since he alleviates the soup penalty

rose thorn
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Yeah that’s why I’ve been kinda avoiding using my demon army in 9th

atomic pelican
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Pure monogod seems hard unless Slaanesh

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Or tzeentch flamer spam

rose thorn
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I mainly just liked demons for flavor and now that only like

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3 units are good lmao

atomic pelican
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Monogod still seems p flavorful

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It just gets weird when you have 'good' detachnents be like

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A LoC, 3 units of daemonettes, then like 20 flamers

rose thorn
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pfFFFF AHAHAHA

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The scary blankets back for a vengeance

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I might just use my demons undivided for AOS, I don’t wanna be stuck in a spot where I don’t feel like I’m not using my army for the max potential because it’s just better and easier to bring 20 flamers

atomic pelican
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Daemons are still def good

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Flamers are almost certainly going to get bricked when dataslatr

rose thorn
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I hope lmao

atomic pelican
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Daemons rn have the misfortune of having a large chunk of army ability be based on a 4+ and the other be based on Leadership(a stat that might as well not exist)

rose thorn
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There’s something not fun to learn that buying all 3 Dameon boxes and some nurgle demons, just to learn that you would have been better off doing the lazy option

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In AOS it’s heavily encouraged to bring all the basic demons at least

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When you have Belakor

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And it feels like an undivided army

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For LOTFP

atomic pelican
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Yeah 40k has kind of been severely limiting soup options, I believe snapback for old soup armies being busted to shit/way stronger than pure

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I assume its easier to balance single codices alone rather than a potential 3 interacting with eachother

rose thorn
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Yeah

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Also UHGGG DEMONETTESS

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I hate them I want their current models to burn in hell

atomic pelican
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Yeah sadly a bit uggo

rose thorn
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And they are fucking falling apart

atomic pelican
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I also wish all Seekers would get updated to be Blissbarb seeker tier

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Both currently for sale

rose thorn
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LIKE PLSSSSSS

atomic pelican
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The new Seekers are rlly cute

rose thorn
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YEAH INLOVE THEM

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Please gw

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Slaanesh had some of the best new models

atomic pelican
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Yeus

rose thorn
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And worst old models

atomic pelican
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Also tru

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Rlly just daemonettes and seekers need to be updated

rose thorn
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Khrone models don’t really age lmao

atomic pelican
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Tru

rose thorn
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If a nurgle model looks ass it’s fine

atomic pelican
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Cant rlly age when ur just red daemons

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With horns

rose thorn
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And tzeentch

It’s just the style lmao

atomic pelican
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Yeah the only tzeentch model thats aged somewhat is the Blue Scribes

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Theyre still resin I think

rose thorn
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Yeah but you can fix it with like

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3 blue horrors lmao

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Even then it’s not too bad

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Also

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LOOK AT RHSI DUDE

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ITS KINDA CUTE

atomic pelican
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Yess

rose thorn
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GHE PLATFORM IS A GAINT SCREAMER

atomic pelican
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Love their fat fuck disc too

rose thorn
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Screechers

atomic pelican
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Yeee

rose thorn
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I love the screechers

atomic pelican
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Every disc of tzeentch is a screamer

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They are just tame screamers

rose thorn
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Lmao it’s great

atomic pelican
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That get morphed by their rider

rose thorn
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I think tzeentch has the best greater demon models lmao

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I also fucling adore the changling mode

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Correct me if I’m wrong

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It isn’t a changling Just a horro mixed with a flamer?

atomic pelican
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Like under the hood? No one knows

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Probably not since they just change forms

rose thorn
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Lmao

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THE DISKKK ASAA ITS SO CUTE

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It’s just a flat guy

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And demons of tzeentch gives you so much fucking freedom to make a character

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As it can literally be anything

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That’s the joke

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‘A demon of khorne charged into the gates of tzeentch’s realm and after 1000 years flashing in seconds he found himself a master wizard of tzeentch’ countless libraries and hsi shape and mind melting.’ Or soem shit

rose thorn
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im tempted to make a tzeentch demon pricne thats just a shit load of screamers lmao

rose thorn
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Stupid theory

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What if fulgrim’s body is fully possessed by a demon and fulgrim’s soul is in clonegrim

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I have no way to prove this besides that Bile can’t clone people with out access to their soul

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Or their soul being available for use

plush mason
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thats more or less what actually happened afaik

rose thorn
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YAY

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So I predict for 10th edition emperors children r codex

That it will be similar to IK how it’s questor mechanicus and questor imperialis

Except it’s like one side is clonegrim and the other is demongrim

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Or

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Emperors children get killed from@the lore

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Or it’s just noise marines the codex

plush mason
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oh clonegrim is still locked in tryzen's museum

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he kept trying to pull rank on bile so bile just let tryzen take him lol

mossy mortar
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lol

worn cargo
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What’s a clonegrim

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Is it after he was destroyed by his own dreadnaught who was deep rooted in his faith and blew him up with that powerful bomb

atomic pelican
rose thorn
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and then the fucker leading the side of the clonegrim is fucking crazy and claims to be having visions of being communicated by clonegrim

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and it devolves into a mess

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actually, note to self of custom EC character

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i just want the EC story to be fucking petty and everyone is suffering for insane peoples obsessions of pleasure and honor

mossy mortar
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Now they're both frozen in time forever

rose thorn
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lmAO yeah, im just worried that their story will just be like, space marine drukhari

mossy mortar
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I think the parallel is intentional

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Both arw slaanesh adjacent

rose thorn
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yeah but i want to see the artistic half of slaanesyh followers

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people being torn apart and stiched back toegerh into statues of art

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and Uhh

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have you listened to the perfection short story?

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its quite literally the best and most fitting emperors children story ive ever heard

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well tis falwless hosts but litearlly the same thing lmao

old trench
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I never really got Drukhari ngl

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The Eldar's entire shtick is that they got raped in every possible sense of the word by Slaanesh

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And here the Dark Eldar are being crypto-Slaaneshi

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Is it just Stockholm Syndrome?

atomic pelican
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They dont worship slaanesh

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They hate them

old trench
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They say that, but a lot of what they do seems kinda crypto-Slaaneshi

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Maybe I'm just looking at it with a weird perspective

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

atomic pelican
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Its moreso that slaanesh is crypto drukhari

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The Drukhari have been doing what they do before slaanesh even existed

old trench
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ah, right

tawdry escarp
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They're hiding in the Webway

tired umbra
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They cannot stop

mossy mortar
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Torturing people lets them steal their souls to replace what they lose

hazy lotus
mossy mortar
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They're not servants of slaanesh they hate and fear slaanesh

atomic pelican
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Vect was nearly decapitated in a pleasure cult ritual flr example

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Its why the Drukhari are ironically, the truest form of Eldar if we considee the late aeldari

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Path of the Deldar mentions that it may very well have been Haemonculi proclivities which caused the Fall

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It'll always be funny that the Drukhari call Asuryani the weird ones - Because theyre technically right

hazy lotus
# atomic pelican This isnt right. The Drukhari as hedonists and torturers already existed. It was...

More or less what I was just saying 😄 Pain and torture were there all along in what would eventually become the Drukhari 'cause they were exploring every possible kind of pain and pleasure. Still, pre-Slaneesh tribe, if kinda cruel, wasn't as sadistic as post-Slaanesh millennia. Slaneesh's ethernal thirst forced the now-Drukharii to push even forward their cruelty boundaries, making them what they're now known for

mossy mortar
atomic pelican
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Ye thats p much it

rose thorn
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What’s not to love about drukhari

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We have

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Military pirate monarchies

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Murder cult gladiator covens

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And mad scientists nightmare sociopathic billionaires

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And can’t forget, mercenaries from the corners of the dimensional folds of the galaxy

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Or murder god lovers

mossy mortar
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Dark eldar is an cap paradise

rose thorn
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FUcK the genestealer cults trailers are always the fucking best

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Even through in the shadow throne trailer,, they show the cult of the 4 armed emperor even though it supposed to the the pauper princes 💀

atomic pelican
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Oh like the minis? Yee

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Gw barely remembers GSC are an army so I think they dont know the cult color schemes

rose thorn
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I know the ‘selfessness’ of the pauper princes is supposed to be the same way krieg is selfless. But I like to imagine it it’s more like, in a good way

rose thorn
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Like protecting the members of the cult who don’t partake in arms or civilians during the battle

atomic pelican
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The Princes have a high belief in Martyrdom for the cause. But wont kill themselves stupidly. Ala Krieg landmine clear

rose thorn
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Yeah which I’m really happy about

atomic pelican
rose thorn
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I like the rule too

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Where you can sacrifice units for freebee

atomic pelican
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UQ loyalty is really REALLY funny ingame too.

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You can use it in melee

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So Patriarchs can regularly face fight knights with a group of phytes behind them

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ESPECIALLY funny with a Princes trait which makes UQ guaranteed

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Everytime the patriarch doesnt save(and he will alot since 4+ invuln) a neophyte will just die

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And neophytes can respawn

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I once had my patty get into a 2 round engagement with some melee knight and win without taking dmg

rose thorn
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I haven’t gotten any GSC models yet but I’m thinking I’ll just get a shit load of conscripts to sacrifice for the patriarch

atomic pelican
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It also means you regularly cuck amazing assasins because they just have their 6 dmg sniper shot hit a neophyte

rose thorn
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LMAO

rose thorn
atomic pelican
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Yeee

rose thorn
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Get a huge unit of neophytes

atomic pelican
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One of GSC' army abilities - Summon the cult, means with a banner they respawn 1d6. Or roll 2d6 with an Iconward nearby(max of 6 return)

rose thorn
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I also love the cross fire rule

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I’m super tempted to get the shadow throne box and the start collecting

atomic pelican
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I would just get the Combat Patrol

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Since u dont get useless custodes that way and same price

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+more stuff I think overall

rose thorn
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Ah

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I also love the saboteur

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Oh yeah, if you get the patriarch box as well what do you do with the extra magos?

atomic pelican
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The Broodcoven box?

rose thorn
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Yeah

shadow plover
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I should continue my gsc army

atomic pelican
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It has a patriarch, primus, and magus

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And a familiar for botu pat and magus

rose thorn
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I mean magus not magos

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So should I just use the extra magus for kit bashing or something?

atomic pelican
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Probably, while technically you can run 2 Magi its not exactly convenient because Genesect rule

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And you dont rlly need 2

rose thorn
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Yeah

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Plus I think lorewise you rarely have 2

atomic pelican
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Yea thats what Genesect represents. Cults are divided into Genesects, p much a Cell. The Broodmind can only support so many unique members

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Its also why uh, killing a patriarch is big but not the end of a cult

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The large cults have 10s, likely 100s, spread across genesects

rose thorn
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I’ve loved genestealer cults since learning that most cults are mostly joined out of like

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Choice lmao

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And are caused by their horrible treatment

mossy mortar
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i don't think that's how it w orks

cerulean wagon
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it can, depends on the cult

rose thorn
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The pauper princes joined the cult out of pure desperation to leave their planet

atomic pelican
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Yeah it depends on the cult and also the individual. Alot of cults have a small contigent of nonconvert hybrids for short periods who just join on promise of improvements(they are converted eventually)

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Spiral Dawn covers a cult like this, where the book follows nonhybrid Spiral members abt to be converted

storm jungle
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Yeah the Cults in general are more or so parodies of worker parties too

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almost 90% of the population joins willingly since the cults always promise them something better

atomic pelican
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Filed under GW accidentally making basado faction

storm jungle
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I also appreciate that they dont even hide it

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the new codex cover is literally a soviet propaganda poster in style

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You wave that red flag jimmy

atomic pelican
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One of the 8e custom cult traits was literally Workers Arisen iirc

storm jungle
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Yeee its great

mossy mortar
storm jungle
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I mean yes?

atomic pelican
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Hardship is nothing new to the faithful of this cult. Having long suffered appalling conditions beneath a repressive regime, their brothers and sisters have become tough enough to shrug off all but the most punishing of wounds.

storm jungle
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And yeah their fate in the end is worse but they more or so live a better life as a brainwashed community which is super funny when you think about it KEK

atomic pelican
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Yeah LMAO

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The delusion brings a loving family

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So its funny enough, better

storm jungle
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Lmao yeah its fucked up in a morbidly funny way

atomic pelican
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+You have way higher chances of lasering a custodes head off, which is always a boon

storm jungle
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Deep Rock those lads with some C4

mossy mortar
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That's the setup for a lot of the traitor factions tbh

storm jungle
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Nah

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Chaos Cults are fickle most of the time

cerulean wagon
storm jungle
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GSC are literally everywhere

cerulean wagon
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but then we get votann

mossy mortar
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Tau is pretty much teh same setup

storm jungle
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Nah

cerulean wagon
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perfectly balanced

atomic pelican
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CSM def dont love eachother

mossy mortar
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along with the implied midn control

atomic pelican
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DHSBD

atomic pelican
mossy mortar
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Orks are the true utopia

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They have the perfect society

storm jungle
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You live under a restricting regime but it can always be worse

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GSC are super organized.

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Chaos cults come and go constantly

atomic pelican
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Yee, they also dont backstab eachother like chaos cults

cerulean wagon
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all of them are different and fantastic

atomic pelican
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And are somehow less insane

storm jungle
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Yeah the advantage of the GSC is literally EVERYONE works with each other.

cerulean wagon
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prob my fav 3 villain factions for books

mossy mortar
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They have to

storm jungle
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thats what makes them dangerous

rose thorn
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I love how only really one of the main cults is laughably evil

storm jungle
mossy mortar
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It's literally a hive mind

storm jungle
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We know

mossy mortar
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You seem extremely antagonistic to me

storm jungle
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Im not?

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Im just saying our point

mossy mortar
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I agree with you and you find a reason to disagree

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very strange

storm jungle
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wh-

atomic pelican
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Gigachad: I am apart of the Broodmind but shall die surrounded by family and loved vs virgin for da empreror and dying to a ambush

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Each of my crusade characters have 25 cousins and they are all friends

rose thorn
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Do GSCs encourage making your own characters lore?

atomic pelican
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Yes absolutelt

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Esp since we dont rlly have named characters

rose thorn
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Or is it relaly a ‘this is a magus, thsi So and so’

atomic pelican
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Ruleswise p much the same as any army

rose thorn
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Yeah

atomic pelican
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But having no named chars helps alot

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Also GSC probably have the least restrictive lore for custom writing

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Both free-love cults and literal mind zombie cults are supported by lore

rose thorn
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Lmao

storm jungle
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Yeah its great

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literally just

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"make your own lovecraft cult 101"

rose thorn
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‘All my hqs are in a poly relationship <3’

dusk knot
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I saw a cult that was reflavoured as communists

rose thorn
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I’m 100% gonna do that actually

atomic pelican
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Mine, the Cult of Cinders, have progressed w/their crusade game. Currently holding several worlds and being moreso an invading army than a cult

mossy mortar
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the fuck is this shit

dusk knot
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I made the mistake of making my first army GSC

atomic pelican
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Good choice

dusk knot
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not when you're bad at the game

atomic pelican
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Same

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Well, you could pick worse

dusk knot
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tru

rose thorn
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I’ve listenedto the look out sir podcast and they don’t seem as confusing as everyone says

atomic pelican
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IMO all the eldar factions are the worst starting armies

dusk knot
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they aren't

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the codex is fairly clear cut

atomic pelican
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Theyre incredibly fragile and rely on movement which is p much the hardest phase to master IMO

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And yeah

dusk knot
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yeah

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and ambush tokens

rose thorn
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I’d argue Slaanesh demons are one of the worst because their models fall apart if you look at them wrong

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But nothing rule related

atomic pelican
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GSC mechanics arent super weird but theyre another army based on movement so itll be hard + having basically no durable models

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GSC should be getting a faq buff soon. Theyre one of the worst 9e armies stats wise

dusk knot
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yeah their only durable ones are their melee tanks

atomic pelican
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Even then, theyll melt to AT

dusk knot
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yep

atomic pelican
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GSC durability is supposed to come via being cheap to field more. But we are also kind of overpointed rn

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Esp characters and like, Abbies

dusk knot
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ye

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what's the gunslinger called again?

atomic pelican
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Kelermorph

dusk knot
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ye, he's good

atomic pelican
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The one big help with GSC is that barely anyone fully understands what they do since theyre like, the least played army still LMAO

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Helps into the ambush meme that ur opponent might literally not have seen your army before being shot

rose thorn
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LMAO

dusk knot
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cool concept, bad rules

mossy mortar
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i didn't even know they got a proper codex

shadow plover
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I've played a couple games with gsc and loved them

atomic pelican
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GSC is genuinely really well done as a codex

rose thorn
atomic pelican
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Yes theyre AMAZING fun to play

dusk knot
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the fact they can take guard is good

atomic pelican
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They cant

mossy mortar
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Do they have vehicles or do you still have to make your own

atomic pelican
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They have their own

rose thorn
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You can also bring guard ones still

dusk knot
atomic pelican
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GSC was probs the best codex in terms of fluff and internal balance of the edition. Everyone else just moved past them

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Oh right

dusk knot
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with the psychic awakening

atomic pelican
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Yeah they can, up to 25%

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But it has to be a 2nd detachment

rose thorn
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Oh

dusk knot
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yeah so it's not that great

atomic pelican
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Its the typical 25% soup rule

shadow plover
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think the broodbrothers is pretty well done as well

rose thorn
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They can’t even give cross fire can they?

atomic pelican
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Used to, Cult Russes were in the codex

dusk knot
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if it was just 25%

atomic pelican
dusk knot
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instead of the detachment

atomic pelican
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BB might actually be good when guard codex drops

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Currently Cults can field anything guard can but better essentially

storm jungle
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GSC is a case where its a super cool army but your main playerbase is bland and only buys Space Marines.

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🧑‍🦼

atomic pelican
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It also hurts that GSC are p expensive

storm jungle
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Yeee

dusk knot
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this is now a GSC stan account

shadow plover
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yeah I've only bought boxes with multiple units

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or ebay

atomic pelican
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Yee ebay is the way

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I got 20 acolytes for 50

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It was amazing

dusk knot
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I need to get back into tabletop 40k

atomic pelican
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Oh yes

mossy mortar
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wait for the market to crash and scoop up figures on ebay

atomic pelican
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Im getting back into my GSC after realizing the meme setups of

dusk knot
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shame my currency will crash first

atomic pelican
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Deepstrike saboteur bomb and strat reserves aberrant truck

mossy mortar
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In that case buy models now

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and sell them for gas money later

atomic pelican
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Stonks

rose thorn
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Oh like how people with stolen money buy art and resell it

mossy mortar
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They might actually be less volatile

rose thorn
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You can buy art in cash and sell it for usable tender

dusk knot
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money laundering?

rose thorn
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Possibly

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OH yeah how fun are the custom cult rules?

dusk knot
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I need to check again

mossy mortar
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Nah this is more like inflation hedging

atomic pelican
mossy mortar
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Or arbitrage if they end up dropping the price of models due to local currency issues

atomic pelican
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Genuinely probs the best custom rules in terms of customization and fluff

rose thorn
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Oh yeah can you explain what the splinter cult trait does?

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I’m dumb and looking at it confused lmao

atomic pelican
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Splinter Cult is for tournie stuff mostly

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P much you copy a main cult, cant take the relic, and count as that cult

rose thorn
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Oh

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So…. What’s the point?

atomic pelican
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Because compnards usually have a paint as rule

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Which, for GSC doesnt rlly matter because no one other than GSC players know our color schemes DHDBD

rose thorn
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LMAO

atomic pelican
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But every codex has had that sort of custom rule

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Recently

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Aeldari have In ths Footsteps of Ancients which is the same thing essentially

rose thorn
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So it’s for,,, detachments?

atomic pelican
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Its for when you select a subfaction

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Rlly dont pay it any mind unless ur a psycho who plays tourney paint rules

rose thorn
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Lmao

atomic pelican
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It has no purpose beyond that

rose thorn
#

I hate that paint rules are a thing

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Like omfg I don’t want to be 5 points behind because I didn’t have time to paint 79 models for a 500 point game lmao

atomic pelican
#

Yeah no one rlly cares beyond comp settings

rose thorn
#

Even then

Who cares lmao

#

Oh wel

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GW wnating to sell more paints

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Oh god does it have to be in GW paint?

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I just realized that

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Anyhow

rose thorn
atomic pelican
#

Industrial affinity(no penalties on heavy weapons)
Agile Guerillas(Move/adv and shoot as if not moving)
Accustomed to Toil(never wounded on a 1-2)

rose thorn
#

Do you have a custom color scheme?

rose thorn
atomic pelican
#

DHSBD

atomic pelican
#

Honestly they are a bit redundant but I like adv shooting trucjs full of aco handflamers

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Annured to Toil is kind of a personal fave since my meta is full of knights and custodes, where the transhuman becomes an effective -1 to wound all the time

#

You get situations where Neophytes shrug off mega knight melta shots

rose thorn
#

Lol

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Im@gonna look at the custom cult rules I had like 2 ideas for cults

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One that is a cult of clones and vat grown GSCs and one of like

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A fleet of traveling ships that high jack ships and do religious take overs

atomic pelican
#

Bery cool

rose thorn
#

Oh yeah lore wise for your cult what is their main thing?

atomic pelican
#

Fire

rose thorn
#

Based

atomic pelican
#

I spam Aco handflamers and clearance incinerators

dusk knot
rose thorn
#

Ha- cross fire

atomic pelican
#

+1 to wound do slap on flamer spam

rose thorn
#

I just wanna check, does cross fire even work with melee?

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O was like ‘huh… actually I’m not even sure if a melee army would be that good’

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I mean

atomic pelican
#

It has interactions with melee, and if you shoot into combat, you can get crossfire buffs for the shooting

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Crossfire markers trigger some stratagems

#

Covering Fire for example prevents overwatch

rose thorn
#

AHHHHH

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Okay so you should always be shooting

atomic pelican
#

P much, but you can def play a melee list based on like

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Twisted Helix abbies and the gigapowerful S16 clipper

#

A twisted helix acolyte with a clipper hits harder in terms of strength than a knight

rose thorn
#

LMAO

#

That’s great

#

The 3 point traits don’t seem very good lmao

#

Maybe with uh industral and symbiotic

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Hm

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FUCk wow GSC have as hit laod of combo sutff

atomic pelican
#

Yee its grest

rose thorn
#

I love combo shit

#

Imperial knight combos are sooooo fucking fun to set up

#

OMG DO THIER CRUSADE RULES HAVE TO DEAL WITH POLITICS

#

THATS AMAZING

atomic pelican
#

Yee GSC crusades are subverting planets

#

They also have my favorite agenda in Silence Detractor

rose thorn
#

OMG ITS LITERALLY A POLITICAL ASSASSINATION

atomic pelican
#

Yess

rose thorn
#

SHIT lookiang at thier wahpedia i fucking loce all teh fun shit with explosives

#

i mean liek

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come on

#

shes the dream boat

#

literally me

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AND I find it the funniest shit ever to set up an explosive trap on an objective

atomic pelican
#

Sabo is great + the true meme is suicide bombing her into stuff and chucking her bomb out

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With Lying in wait

#

I once had my sabo finish a thunderhawk that way

rose thorn
#

correct me if im wrong, but dont Genestealer cults have a shit laod of trap rules

atomic pelican
#

Just 2 p much

rose thorn
#

ah

rose thorn
atomic pelican
#

The one u mentioned and the sabo bomb

rose thorn
#

achem

i will now make an explosive focused gsc

atomic pelican
#

LMAO

rose thorn
#

LMAo thank you

atomic pelican
#

4 mortal wounds !!

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Vs a vehicle atleast

rose thorn
#

OH YEAH HUh

#

im thinking ill definetly use toxic agents with a shit laod of explosives

#

industrial

#

probably convoy too

rose thorn
#

Im thinking my cult will be named something like

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Cult of the Truly Silent

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Cult of the final sound
Cult of the blinding beauty

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and they formed on an explosive testing world

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so if you dont die of the constant bomb testings near where you live

#

you will probably die of the radiation or the near unbreathable air

cerulean wagon
#

you'd prob get a fair few brood brothers under that then

rose thorn
#

lmao yeah

atomic pelican
#

Nuclear test site cult actually slunds very cool

#

It vaguely reminds me of The Hills Have Eyes

rose thorn
#

probably obsessed with the idea of attracting their gods to the world with the sights and sounds the explosions

#

thank you, ill probably do it actually, it would be super fun to paint all my models with explosive marks and burns

#

they travel planet to planet bombing it into oblivion and recruiting who ever survives in an attempt to attract the gods with the bright lights and sounds

rose thorn
#

Cult of the strident salvation

#

CULT OF THE BLINDING SALVATION

#

perfect

#

hey what was the named lady form the shadow throne boxed called?

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the saboteur

#

ah Mersea Thrayk

storm jungle
#

Yeah thats her

atomic pelican
#

Yeee

#

Shes cool

#

She doesnt rlly exist beyond ST tho

#

And even in that she only shows up briefly to blow up Custodeez

rose thorn
storm jungle
#

Okay so

#

the problem with 9th edition codexes is a lot of the lore pieces in them are more or so recycled.

#

The chaos codex for once has a few good sections in it though so i'd recommend a buy still, and some fantastic artwork.

#

If you are a relatively newcomer to the lore you might spot some copy-paste jobs but should still be a fun read

atomic pelican
#

Another thing is that some 9e codexs dont have the timeline lore pages anymore

#

Codex lore usually isnt new, its just recycled from prior or summarized events from books

storm jungle
#

^

#

Basically

#

some pages are word by word recycled from the last edition codex with new bits sprinkled in.

#

The chaos codex suffers less from this due to being a big name faction though

#

Yep!

#

You havent been exposed to them like we have in each edition so you are safe to read em all with a fresh perspective

#

Np!

#

also good choices 🙏

lavish thorn
#

sw as in shit writing

storm jungle
#

Star Wars was the true martyr

lavish thorn
#

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE

storm jungle
#

a good example of what megacorps do when their claws sink into an honest franchise.

atomic pelican
#

We EU and pre-disney bois

#

Just ignore the sequels its that easy

lavish thorn
#

Speaking of lore

#

Fresh out the kitchen

final spruce
#

Mostly because Titans aren't playable in your average 40k game

#

Only in apocalypse games

near hedge
#

$$$$$

mossy mortar
plush mason
#

damn the kin sound awesome

rose thorn
#

i hope the shadow throne actual ly goes somewhere

rose thorn
#

I also hope we can get a chaos space marine with a normal gun lmao

strong grail
#

And the iron men may see the kin as constructs themselves due to them being clones

lyric ember
#

Does anyone know the name of the armor that tech priests wear?

#

Can't find it and i'm tired of looking

#

Nevermind i just found it

dusk knot
#

probably

tired umbra
#

Yeah it's just a REALLY GOD DAMN GOOD sword.

twin shoal
#

i have a lore question

#

has the whole saw the emperors true radiance and hair turning white happened to anyone else other then that sister of battle i forgot the name of?

strange compass
#

This latest short story they released, is that a finished story? It feel incomplete

dusk knot
#

They’re kinda like teasers

#

Same with the zealot one, it’s open ended

strange compass
#

hm, I guess the part where some overseer goes "This one shall suffice" is missing, when compared to the zealot story

#

I hope they have a bunch of these, I'm having a lot of fun with this hype-generation

quick jackal
#

So, was the veteran in that story thrown in prison for losing her weapon or for stealing a chaos weapon?

storm jungle
#

Even the sister hair turn white thing is kinda dubious and fanon lore

dusk knot
#

Give the zealot story as well

quick jackal
#

The zealot was put in detention for having been exposed to nurgle water

#

But apparently didn't get sick

tawdry escarp
#

Veteran probably went AWOL after Cadia was destroyed

#

Dereliction

cerulean wagon
#

you choose your crime in chargen

dusk knot
#

Ah my mistake

worn cargo
cerulean wagon
#

wat

worn cargo
storm jungle
#

Its in the DLC pack

rose thorn
#

How would you think that the LoV and Imperial knights get along?

#

Questior mechanicus porbably fucking despise them.

#

But questor imperialis

mossy mortar
#

I think that's a black templars thing later

#

The emperor's champion has the black sword

rose thorn
storm jungle
#

Kin basically get along with most people as long as you dont push them

worn cargo
#

I hope knights make more knights to spite mechanicus

rose thorn
#

Lmao knights take a decade to build with the mechancius

#

Armigers probably 15ish years to build

#

And and the BIG knights literally just

#

Can’t be built lmao

worn cargo
#

The dreaded pyramid knight

rose thorn
#

It‘a agaisnt imperial law to understand how a knight works

worn cargo
rose thorn
#

Also 2 throne mechanciums would porbably fucking hate working with another bloodline in the same machine

worn cargo
#

Probably yeah

rose thorn
#

Armingers are systemically taken over by big knight thrones

#

Well not systematically more like

#

The souls of the helm and throne scream in your ear and mind what to do

#

And it’s near impossible to resist unless you disconnect

worn cargo
#

Holy shit I didn’t even know the little dudes were a thing

image0.jpg
#

I thought they were a bigger knight or something

rose thorn
#

They are given to royal guards, lesser nobles, and celebrities lmao

worn cargo
#

That’s pretty sick, so they’re kinda like

#

Robot dogs?

#

Or what a servitor is to a skitarri?

quick jackal
#

No, it's a piloted mech, but not a full knight, but someone a little further down the hierarchy

#

They are called Armigers, which literally means "Arms Bearer", in medieval times that meant anyone who was legally allowed to be fully armed and armored, even if they didn't hold a title.

rose thorn
#

Anyone know Firaeveus Carron’ cannon load out?

#

Aka

METAL BOXES

broken bridge
#

*METAL BAWKXES

rose thorn
rose thorn
midnight mist
summer niche
#

THE EMPEROR PROTECTS

timid condor
#

DIE GREEN SKIN NO PRISONERS FOR THE EMPEROR!

rose thorn
rose thorn
#

Omg I just thought of how to lore wise my dooms day gene-stealer cult infiltrates planets

#

They cause hysteria with the idea that a nuclear apocalypse will happen in the plant and then the people of the planet build bunkers and shit

#

And so the cult cause a nuclear explosion and so people hide in their bunkers and shit

#

And then the cult actually does rise and either indoctrinate or kill people hiding in the bunkers while the people on the surface continue the bombings to keep people in their bunkers

#

Then after everyone’s done they are like ‘Eyo see what your god emperor let happen to you, we need to show everyone what happened to you, let’s go free people form their god emperors failing protection’

midnight mist
#

False flag the shit out of everyone and say, "SEE I TOLD YOU!"

rose thorn
#

The cult maybe also covers as a bunker construction company so they make bank and know how to get into them lmao

storm jungle
#

Baldemort always gets his info from official sources

#

the only lore squats got atm are from their new codex

unique berry
#

Baldemort is a fucking legend

round bone
#

not sure where the best place for this is, seems like it might fit here. let me know if this needs to be moved. The following is an audio book style voiceover for the Veteran short story that was posted on the 5th.

slender orchid
#

For high level 40k intro, Eisenhorn. For much narrower, but more human look Gaunt's Ghosts, and for casual memey fun look while getting some lore Cain.

#

If each had a musical track Eisenhorn would be boneshuddering gothic music with ethereal choir, shifting from rage to sorrow. Ghosts would be orchestral WW2 style. And Cain would be Scooby Doo.

plush mason
#

ok so is there any lore reason why imperial plasma is blue but chaos plasma is red? or is it just for aesthetics?

shadow berry
#

purely aesthetics. Although you could see the red plasma being influenced by daemon(I.E. daemon weapon) or just not maintained with the proper blessings of the Omnissiah.

#

'It looks cool' said every person who fell to chaos.

plush mason
#

lmao

fierce pendant
#

I thought the whole point of chaos was the option to wear illegal modifications to your armor. Thought all the shtick about chaos gods and worship was just a bonus

#

The drip on some of these lads

rose thorn
plush mason
#

it is?

rose thorn
#

Yup

#

And I think uh,, world eater plasma has a unique color

plush mason
#

why do they even have plasma? afaik all they do is raid undefended worlds for slaves

#

EC are just chaos dark eldar basically lol

near hedge
#

Dark Eldar but less cool

rose thorn
#

Mainly noise marines

#

But for different reasons

plush mason
#

all of EC are scum

rose thorn
#

Noise marines are desperate for any form of attention from thier uncaring god

plush mason
#

there is a reason the only cool EC character doesnt even see himself as an EC anymore lol

rose thorn
#

They have a hole in thier heart they fill is suffering, drugs, slavery, music

plush mason
#

like all those that serve the master mistress

rose thorn
#

But the higher ups, they are artists and masters of blade

#

They view slaughter and war as a form of art. Every slash of a blade is a paint brush of crimson.

#

Their victims are their canvases

plush mason
#

so every one of them could wipe the floor with lucius lol

rose thorn
#

Oh Lucius is a scum bag

plush mason
#

and the champion of slannesh lol

rose thorn
#

But he’s literally the best dueler in all of chaos

#

But yeah everyone in the EC despises him lmao

plush mason
#

then why is his whole gimmick about winning by losing?

rose thorn
#

No his gimmick of immortality is because Slaanesh is a huge asshole

plush mason
#

its not really immortality

rose thorn
#

It is immortality until Slaanesh gets bored

plush mason
#

its "if you kill him and enjoy it you will become him"

rose thorn
#

All of the champions can be revived

#

Lucius is just a dip shit and forgets basic war tactics lmao

#

And Slaanesh wants an excuse to revive him

#

Honestly Lucius is only apart of Slaanesh for his drug and sex addictions and the free revives

#

Fuck Betrayer got literally melted but got revived

cunning wigeon
#

Do daemons (poxwalkers in particular) have blood?

storm jungle
#

They just poof out of existence when killed (tho sometimes stay and people can take their skulls for plot reasons)

cunning wigeon
#

Presumably disgusting as anything for a poxwalker, okay thanks for the response

storm jungle
#

Yeah pretty much any living thing in a nurgle demon is infectious.

#

Touch, fluids, wounds etc

plush mason
#

so are STDs just a colab between nurgle and slaanesh?

rocky dune
#

STDs usually lead to less sex, so maybe the opposite

#

Not like nurgle needs help

plush mason
#

true

final spruce
#

Slaneesh isn't about sex so Nurgle only

plush mason
#

tell that to GW when they need easy marketing kekw

#

sex drugs and rock and roll

final spruce
#

I mean look at the AoS release, tis about hedonism, look at how fat the humans in chariot are

plush mason
#

literally sums up the majority of EC

plush mason
plush mason
final spruce
#

Pleasure
Passion
Excess
Hedonism
Decadence
Pain
Perfection

#

So many more things than just lol sex

plush mason
#

i know

#

but sex will always be part of it

final spruce
#

Yes but not the main part, reducing Slaneesh to the god of sex is taking alot away from it

plush mason
#

as i hate slaanesh with a passion its why i do so lol

#

of all the dark gods slaanesh is the most useless

final spruce
#

Not really ? But if you wanna go lol Slaneesh sex, maybe its better to go in the memes channel and not the lore one

plush mason
#

fair

rose thorn
#

because it like, actually pulls that part into the real world

storm jungle
#

Yeah its basically inconsistent

#

with their corpses i mean

rose thorn
#

yeAH

#

lmao demons are inconsistant in general

plush mason
#

like. wouldnt killing a nurgle demon in melee just damn you to some unholy infection or many?

rose thorn
#

they fully exist on demon worlds, but theres also situations where they are kinda there, but not really

#

like a ghost

rocky dune
#

I remember hearing about some slaaneshis that specifically get power from sensory deprivation

#

Like marines or sometthing other

plush mason
#

deprivation as in self or inflicting on others?

#

ofc slaanesh literally has a planet sized fat man so anything goes with that reject of a side show faction lol

storm jungle
#

in books its played off and handwaved but realistically speaking if you are engaging in melee with nurgle daemons a single slice or cut from them is all it takes you seal your fate

plush mason
#

got it

rocky dune
plush mason
#

thats literally counter to what slaaneshi is all about but as i said they have the most cartoonish lore of the 4 dark gods so anything goes with them

atomic pelican
#

Cartoonish when khorne is literally just red satan demons that hit hard

#

?

rocky dune
#

It’s all about new experiences, lack of experience is an experience

plush mason
#

ofc i guess ridiculous is a better word

#

khorne is just cheesy

rocky dune
#

I’m fine with Slaanesh, they just never really get to go all out like the others

plush mason
#

kind of hard for a faction of drug addicts to really do much as an army

#

and sadly the drug and sex additions are really the only elements that set the faction apart from other factions in 40k

#

literally every fighter in the forces of chaos is sadistic to some level

#

the night lords honestly do it even better than the emperor's children

rocky dune
#

I like Noise Marines, they’re cool

plush mason
#

agreed

#

and plot wise slaanesh is arguably the most important of the dark gods in 40k

#

sadly its forces can not say the same

rocky dune
#

I like slaanesh demons

#

In the books, one got killed by a marine just walking up and asking politely to chop its head off

#

And it just says “make it hurt” and lowers its head

#

N’Kari is also cool

#

Fiends, the striders look weird and cool

atomic pelican
#

N'Kari getting beaned by Drastana is one of my favorite fluff moments and I cant wait for Drastana to get a model

rocky dune
#

N’kari as this giant lord in TW3 just full sprinting across the battlefield is just terrifying

#

Slaanesh events in tw3 in general are great in terms of what they get away with

#

Send a troop into a weird dripping orifice in the ground, come back a herald

plush mason
#

its honestly funny how strangely horrible slaaneshi armies are in TWWH3

#

khorne just isntana hard counters them with little effort

#

ofc they honestly do that to most of the factions lol

rocky dune
#

Slaanesh is top tier in multiplayer

plush mason
#

i dont play multiplayer

#

like the problem i found with them in campaign was that their front line was just horrid

#

so you cant really hammer and anvil with them as your anvil would just crumble

rocky dune
#

They have warriors now

plush mason
#

that should make them a lot better yeah

rocky dune
#

Also otherwise they would just melt everything

plush mason
#

does N'kari still have his buffs against elves in the story campaign?

#

aka the campaign with 0 elves in it

barren tapir
dry epoch
#

Picking up on the Slaanesh conversation… not 40k, but the way that went in ‘Valkia’ was definitely gluttony and excess rather than the other options.

rose thorn
#

Also you would need to dampen their emotional out put too as the suffering and distraught of being deprived sensory output would also be a form of suffering and emotional torture

#

Actually the best way to torture a Slaanesh cultist is to have them drink room temperature water in a blank white room playing elevator music

#

Or make them do office work fro 12 hours

frail rune
#

Essentially deprive them of any form of sensation/simulation

rocky dune
#

I know that sensory deprivation is super effective against dark eldar

frail rune
#

Wouldn't it be good against even regular Eldar ?

#

Unless they went for super meditation that makes them able to go thru NNN without any struggle

rocky dune
#

Dark eldar need pleasure or they literally start losing their soul

frail rune
#

That or torture someone a thousand different ways

#

In the recent book they wrote about how the Dark Eldar wanted to create their own God Emperor to ward off Slaanesh

#

Surpassingly with the same DNA as Big E

dry epoch
#

But there’s a certain paradox to that. In depriving someone of their pleasure, you may take satisfaction and in satisfaction you may find pleasure.

Slaanesh is infinitely more complex than people think.

frail rune
dry epoch
#

Tzeentch is a mischievous joy

frail rune
#

Weirdly enough the whole aspect change encourage me to go to the gym and study harder since it is change

raven cosmos
#

The Chaos Gods are simply reflections of the warp from the material space. The reason why chaos acts the way it is, is simply because the entirety of 40k is full of murderous sadistic conspiring beings who dont shower.

frail rune
#

Who dont shower: sounds like Nurgle to me

dry epoch
#

Chaos is not necessarily an evil in and of itself. It’s how people interact with it that determines the next step

#

Nurgle isn’t just about disease either - they’re also about fertility and fecundity

raven cosmos
#

I remember reading something along the lines of "For the Imperium Nurgle is death, but to the children of the plague father; He is life"

frail rune
#

Although Chaos can easily be seen as evil it has a few positive aspects of life.
Khorne: Be strong and brave
Nurgle: Accepting death and still being happy
Slaanesh: Joyous and happiness
Tzeentch: Hope and change, knowing destiny is not set in stone.

rose thorn
#

Also Slaanesh has sex and artistic expression

raven cosmos
#

The Chaos Gods are complex and far reaching entities, however for the most part are still trash on the tabletop

frail rune
#

Since GW only cares about selling Space Marines

#

What about Guardsmen ? they are the first ones getting killed against eldritch while the Space Marines takes their time getting there.

raven cosmos
#

its easier to sell a human rhino stuffed into a Toyota hilux.

#

than a human rhino stuffed into a kinky Toyota hilux

frail rune
#

I've always prefered the Astra Militarum since they are only human beings who fight to the bitter end despite being clearly weaker: making their occasional victories sound more hype since they do not have plot armor like the Ultra Marines.

raven cosmos
#

Lasgun go brrrrr

frail rune
#

not to forget they get to use Basilisk, Lehmann Russ Tanks and the Baneblade.

raven cosmos
#

until the admech priests say thats too much denting on their toy

frail rune
#

Speaking of which: what is your favorite Guardsman regiment and why ?

raven cosmos
#

Kinda difficult, ive been playing 40k a long time. But Catachan Jungle Fighters and Tallarn Desert Raiders have always been interesting to paint and also to play.

#

their lore is interesting and ive always been a nerd for the 80s Arnold buff tard style

frail rune
#

For me it is mainly in general: got nobody to play tabletop with.

#

I like the Legion of Armagedon for Vehicles

#

But mainly like the Savlar Chemdogs since they go from "War on drugs" to "War, on Drugs"

#

And also their habit to steal/hoard anything they can get their hands on. It just shows you still can serve the Imperium if you happen to be Gas Station Meth-head.

#

Hopefully i can re-create that in Darktide

raven cosmos
#

Im currently DMing a Only War game, my players managed to create a regiment with the mindset of "hm wcs does it take to break God?"

rose thorn
#

I hope xenos get like, agents of Xenos/mercenaries. Maybe not nids and orks but still.

#

Bring zoats back, those drukhari alien mercenaries,

#

Kroots and other tau minor xenos

#

Even if they are super small it would feel cool

cunning wigeon
#

still find it weird tau were initially like the covenant where they were a bunch of races all under one banner yet they only ever got kroot and vespids, then nowadays vespids are forgotten

storm jungle
#

Yeah its pretty much just a case where they dont wanna make a mini for all the other races for budget/popularity reasons lol

rose thorn
#

Quick question, is there a guard regiment that’s only brood bothers?

rose thorn
#

I’m tempted to make that entire cadia stands box into brood bothers

storm jungle
#

They are the I.G GSC iirc

rose thorn
#

Oh yehahhh they really raelly like brood brothers

storm jungle
#

Yeah their main schtick is mostly military stuff, give em a look

rose thorn
#

side note i think they have the worst colorscheme lmao

#

out of all the cults

storm jungle
#

Lmao yeah uh

#

its not the best

rose thorn
#

like

#

YOU HAVE ASO MCUH BETTER ONE RIGHT HERE

raven cosmos
raven cosmos
storm jungle
#

Yeah thats what the Hivecult basically does.

raven cosmos
rose thorn
#

pauper princes have a similar issue but they still look good

raven cosmos
#

Typically speaking nids are easy to paint but once highlighting and layering takes paramount to make it more "organic" then my wrists scream in pain

rose thorn
#

super sleak and clean

#

but

#

?????????

#

THe most rustic mother fuckers

storm jungle
#

Rust is their schtick basically

#

Rusty clothes

#

Rusty hair

#

Rusty equipment

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Rusty shoes

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Rusty teeth

raven cosmos
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rust is a pain to paint.

raven cosmos
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Since they're based on industrial means.

rose thorn
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rusted calws are fine ig

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its shite but dirty white

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but their banner is

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weirdly nice????????

storm jungle
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A lot of the GSC banner art in their codex is hella

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👌

rose thorn
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YEAH THEY ARE ALL AMAZING

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its jsut so weird the banners dont match their schemes

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at all

storm jungle
rose thorn
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and their personalities

storm jungle
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ı mean they kinda do?

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LIKE A BIT

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but yeah KEK

rose thorn
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bladed and hive are fine but

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pauper and rusted shoudl like

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swap lmao

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FUCK EVEN TGEUR COLOR SCHEMES

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this one is really good lmao

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their banner cloth is a hospital curtain

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thgey have so much personality

rose thorn
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maybe, the nice banner for the rusted claw is ironic, and that once they reached the surface they murdered all the rich ppl

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so maybe the banner is made from a rich guy's robe or rug or something

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and the bladed claw shows off thier higher tech

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OH YEAH I FORGOT THIS ONE EXISTS LMAO

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the least interesting cult

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their only gimmick is taht gw only uses their paint schema dn they were the first one discovered

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like, arent the ones in the day of ascension bladed claw?

dusk knot
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GSC got the drip

final spruce
rose thorn
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but their colorscheme isnt rusty at all lmao

dusk knot
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yeah it's a bit odd

storm jungle
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We need that doritos scheme

rose thorn
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Wait what the fuck is chaos’ end goal if they defeat the imperium?

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I’m listening to dark crusade’s shit and like

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‘Lmao what’s your plan’

dusk knot
atomic pelican
rose thorn
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Black legion best example

atomic pelican
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Abaddon? To take the throne for himself and retake that which belongs to them. That they worked for in the Great Crusade

rose thorn
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I know like world eaters if they ‘win’ they are just fucked

atomic pelican
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Others have their own individual goals

rose thorn
atomic pelican
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P much

rose thorn
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Thousand sons, I can’t imagine they would have anything to do after being undusted and saving their primarch

atomic pelican
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I think their big characters are still trying to undo the rubricon and such

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Other than that alot of the more organized warbands are just hellbent on vengeance

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Or have their own esoteric goals

rose thorn
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Death guard are kinda fine lmao, we they believe they are spreading good

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So when they are done they are probably expecting to hold hands and vibe

rose thorn
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Emperors children probably literally can’t exist with out an enemy to fight

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So they would probably die out of they win

atomic pelican
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Yee

dusk knot
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same with the world eaters I guess

rose thorn
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Shit wow Black legion is chaos best hope for survive huh

atomic pelican
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Alot of the emphasis on the Black Legion is that its foundation gave purpose to alot of legionares who were just killing eachother

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In the eye

dusk knot
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Khorne would probably starve without conflict

atomic pelican
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An actual goal beyond survival

rose thorn
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Creation of bile’s goal is to become god lmao

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Corsairs are pirates

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Fuck yeah

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BL is all that they really got

atomic pelican
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Yee Huron's goals are p much Be Powerful and tax evade which is still funny

rose thorn
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If bile ‘wins’ that’s probably bad for everyone

shadow plover
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there's a reason all the gods eyes are on abaddon

atomic pelican
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I also think its kind of implied Abaddon KNOWS some truth that no one else does

dusk knot
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abaddon for next chaos god

atomic pelican
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He definitely stares off into space alot thinking about... something

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And wont elaborate

dusk knot
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the alpha legion seem to want to mercy kill the imperium

plush mason
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as the dark gods feed off of the endless wars and suffering in the galaxy they dont actually want to win

rose thorn
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If anything pre head of the hydra was true

plush mason
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they fight for stalemate

dusk knot
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according to their horus heresy book anyway

atomic pelican
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Yeah the Gods certainly, but Legions arent wholly beholden to the Gods

plush mason
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ye

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but the gods will shoot the legions in the foot if they start to actually win

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and have iirc

rose thorn
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LMAO chaos knights are fucked no matter what to my knowledge

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But I need to buy their codex to read their lore

plush mason
atomic pelican
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I dont think that matters. Archaon just fucked the Gods and Abaddon is his 40k equal

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The Gods arent undefeatable

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And their influence not irresistable

plush mason
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yeah but i think abaddon is more or less just horus 2.0

atomic pelican
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That is ultimately his schtick, he commands their powers, not vice versa

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Not at all

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Its kind of one of the main points of the Bl thay Horus was a failure and him giving himself in to the Gods was a failure

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Abaddon is different, infact thats a direct line in one of the books LMAO

rose thorn
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After a quick search, most houses are either sided with BL, already fucked, or don’t care about anything anymore

atomic pelican
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Horus fell to the Gods and his madness led to failure. To ultimately burn out as you described, continue the stalemate

rose thorn
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I FORGOT ABOUT WORD BEARERS

atomic pelican
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Wordbearers ball

plush mason
rose thorn
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They would hella fucking vibe if they are the key winners

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The gods would still be fed and worshiped, and if I had to guess everything would end up basically modern imperium but instead of emperor it’s the 4 chaos gods

atomic pelican
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Almost killed him with Kingslayer

plush mason
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so when did he "fuck the gods"

atomic pelican
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Oh that wouldve been back in WHF. The attempted destruction of the world. Currently the Gods fight for his favor. And he plans to kill them

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They know this and cant do anything abt it

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Examples include: Crushing skulls to piss off Khorne to prove their unalliance

plush mason
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attempted?

atomic pelican
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Attempted because obvs the old world just got swallowed

plush mason
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so it still exists but not in a state it can be lived on?

atomic pelican
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Yes!

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Its p much chaos hell

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Gotrek destroyed the last gate to it

rose thorn
atomic pelican
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Between then and now, Archaon claimed 10s of other worlds for Chaos and they hang over the 8 points as trophies

plush mason
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lmao