40k-lore-chat

[cerulean wagon]

yarrick

[worn cargo]

Cause he uses one

[cerulean wagon]

yarrick uses a stormbolter even

[worn cargo]

Yea isn’t it a storm bolter?

Yeaaa

[alpine ingot]

Tangent about TTS, from the latest HtP audio drama thing I really want to see more of Harry, Lise, and Grimel.

[plush mason]

no he used a fucking stormbolter with one hand cause he is such a utter chad

[cerulean wagon]

sir this is a 40k lore chat

[alpine ingot]

yeah I know

[worn cargo]

Still counts

[plush mason]

nah it surpasses the criteria cause not even a normal SM can use a stormbolter like that lol

[worn cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/no-one-likes-a-show-off-showoff-suicide-squad-gif-22748914

[cerulean wagon]

But ye as a general answer to avoid further confusion
Any and all Space marine gear comes in human scale and is used by the guard, this includes all the special melee weapons n stuff.

[worn cargo]

Has there actually been any guardsman attempts for a marine scaled armor?

[storm jungle]

Tabletop restrictions mostly

also marketing wise the lasgun is the poster weapon of the guard

[cerulean wagon]

human scale power armour exists yes, its just rare

[plush mason]

also isnt the guy with the bolter a specialist?

[worn cargo]

Like inquisitor rare?

[cerulean wagon]

na some guard regiments use it

[lavish thorn]

A little more common than that, Arbites have been referenced wearing it too

[quick jackal]

Yea, inquisitors and some guard commanders and such use it

[worn cargo]

What???

[cerulean wagon]

in the TT case no its the sargeant, lore wise tho yes specialists can use them aswell

[worn cargo]

Where??? I must know

[plush mason]

ah

[lavish thorn]

But because they don’t have the black carapace, humans are less efficient with it than SMs are

[plush mason]

ye

[quick jackal]

I think the lore says the reason it's not in common use is because if you're an unaugmented human and your power armor loses juice you basically just get to lie there and wait to die in it.

[plush mason]

they are tanky as fuck in it but can move like the space marines can iirc

[worn cargo]

Oh shit I was also expecting that to be woven into them in some ways but I can understand how it’s more a unique thing

[storm jungle]

Nah.

its literally just tabletop reasons

[cerulean wagon]

EXCEPTIONALLY RARE and no named regiments i'm aware of? but theres a lore precedent for it. If a regiment had enough funding from an important enough world, and had admech backing, they could probably get a few sets to kit out specialist squads

[worn cargo]

Sometimes I wonder if they just take the carapace off the dead guy

[worn cargo]

So essentially ultramarine territory?

[storm jungle]

The only thing taken from dead marines is the gene-seed and usually the equipment.

[worn cargo]

Or ultramar

[storm jungle]

the carapace is abundant in supply so its not that critical

[lavish thorn]

I get where you’re coming from but it’s quoted in the Eisenhorn books and the Spinoza books by Chris Wraight

[plush mason]

also its it spread across their skin or something?

[storm jungle]

All the way beneath basically

[cerulean wagon]

probably not, they are busy breaking regulation on max spacemarine numbers

[worn cargo]

Wait wait I remember a marine putting on a black carapace video

[plush mason]

so yeah removing it would be a bitch

[lavish thorn]

Yeah it’s a subdermal implant that has built in ports

[storm jungle]

Yeah like this is fanart but its basically what it is

[worn cargo]

Haha

[storm jungle]

with subdermal tank-top thingy

then long wires

[worn cargo]

Wait this isn’t the video

HaHa! https://youtu.be/y3DsHGDRQ5M

[plush mason]

the black carapace is an implant not something they put on

[storm jungle]

^

[worn cargo]

Then what is he putting on?

The

The second part?

[plush mason]

just his armor

[cerulean wagon]

the inner layer of the armour itself

[storm jungle]

Yeah the bodysuit

[cerulean wagon]

the servos and such which drive the actual motors

[worn cargo]

Yea that bit

[lavish thorn]

Yeah it’s either that or what the call a bodyglove

[plush mason]

those holes in his skin is the black carapace

[lavish thorn]

The lore is inconsistent as to whether there’s an armour underlayer

[cerulean wagon]

its basically the bits he doesn't want to break that make the armour actually move

then the 2nd layer is actual armour

[worn cargo]

Weird…

[lavish thorn]

Kind of cool though, it acts as a hybrid of a series of anchor points for the armour and also a neuromuscular connection to the armour

Space marines can actually “feel” to a limited degree through the armour

[plush mason]

iirc some of the lore says they have a layer of servomotors that helps with moving the armor

which i think is what that suit in the video is

[cerulean wagon]

idea is it lets you have the positives of the armour, without losing any of the responsiveness of normal movement that usualy comes with the extra bulk

[lavish thorn]

That makes sense - definitely looks mechanical around the joints

[plush mason]

yeah

[worn cargo]

So like real armor but now we sci-fi it

[storm jungle]

Nah

its literally how a power armor works in concept

in almost any media basically

[worn cargo]

I meant in maneuverability because they look like duplo blocks

[storm jungle]

well pretty much

[plush mason]

the power armor has existed as a concept from like the 60s at least

[lavish thorn]

Might have been heinlein that came up with it

In fiction at least as far as I know

I can’t remember reading anything earlier than that

[plush mason]

the real world militaries or at least the leading ones have been looking into the idea for decades for obvious reasons

[lavish thorn]

Wouldn’t put it past real world DARPA to have mocked up designs too

^

[worn cargo]

They already tried to do live TV mech battles & such before

[storm jungle]

As with most weapon concepts they always realise

too much money

basic weaponry can always kill it someway

[plush mason]

yes

[storm jungle]

the ultimate limbo

[near hedge]

a big factor is being missed out here

[lavish thorn]

We’ll get there in the end, I think that armour is going to be critical to space travel on a wide scale

[near hedge]

soldiers hating it

[worn cargo]

It’s not limbo if you use a bowling ball

[lavish thorn]

I say armour - I mean a sealed exoskeleton which is basically the same thing

V true bitter

Also if anyone is interested in the history of weapons, Forgotten Weapons on YouTube is brilliant for this sort of stuff

[worn cargo]

What’s he gonna do make me more confused at inaccuracies in the imperials arsenal?

[lavish thorn]

Hahahah

Honestly, yes

[plush mason]

look up the left hand of darkness

its literally nothing but weaponized edge

[lavish thorn]

It definitely made me appreciate the lasgun a lot more. An automatic, lightweight man-portable 50 cal that recharges in significant sources of heat or light? The lasgun is a miracle of weapons technology

[plush mason]

yes

[lavish thorn]

It’s just that the enemies of the imperium are so scary that it looks like a toy

[plush mason]

yes

it really really dosent help that ceramite is more or less a mirror so it defuses the light beam on impact

[lavish thorn]

Yeah very true

Honestly ceramite never makes any goddamn sense to me

[worn cargo]

It’s more of some interesting tid bits, like why would you need to simulate recoil? Isn’t it more cost effective to hand that nerd an auto rifle or just, no?

[plush mason]

its just super ballistic ceramic

[lavish thorn]

Rule of cool baby

A gun that doesn’t recoil just isn’t as much fun as one that does

[plush mason]

ye

[near hedge]

Pull a For Honor and have all technology be reduced to "we know it works, not how it works"

recoil fits into that

[lavish thorn]

Yeah same as plasma weapons

[worn cargo]

That makes sense

[plush mason]

hell that perfectly describes most of the imperium's tech

[lavish thorn]

The way that’s described in 40k…that’s not plasma

[worn cargo]

I’m pretty sure I remember even the mechanicus not being able to turn off vehicles

Or just a fun fan lore bit

Because they’d need to transport the vehicles somehow

[plush mason]

yeah they have this sentinel looking thing they cant turn off so they keep it running on a treadmill when its not in active use lol

[lavish thorn]

40k man

Hahahah

[storm jungle]

Also they gotta catch the fucking thing

like you are a cowboy

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

and throw a rope around it

[plush mason]

its so stupid its great

[cerulean wagon]

but thats not all tech thats just a specific instance iirc

[lavish thorn]

Full on grimderp

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just the ballistarius

also i wouldnt call that grimderp

Grimderp is when its really edgy 14 year old stuff

[near hedge]

entire slave armies moving shells into cannons on ships is pretty grimderp

[storm jungle]

This.

lmao

Is it cool visually? Yes

Does it make any sense? No

the enemy ship is gonna fill you full of holes by the time the slaves are done loading one shell

its one of the few parts where the Rule of Cool kinda falls flat

[cerulean wagon]

which is why i ignore it

[storm jungle]

same

[cerulean wagon]

[lavish thorn]

Suspend thine disbelief sister

[worn cargo]

What kinda Egyptian shit is this?

[lavish thorn]

Honestly when it comes to any tech in 40k

Just switch your brain off

[plush mason]

it also kinda looks like a robo ostrich which just makes the whole round up thing even funnier to visualize

[storm jungle]

Yeah but like i said

some are just too stupid to kinda handwave

[worn cargo]

What am I looking at?????

Please don’t tell me that’s real

[storm jungle]

It is

[plush mason]

a macro cannon

[lavish thorn]

I just straight up skip ahead

[storm jungle]

but yeah like

[worn cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/open-eyes-eye-drops-forced-open-binge-watch-clock-work-orange-gif-11233812

[storm jungle]

this can easily work without slave crews

look at them on the bottom

it feels like an afterthought

[worn cargo]

Those are PEOPLE??

This

[plush mason]

yes

[worn cargo]

This is a SHIP gun???

[plush mason]

yes

[worn cargo]

I could’ve sworn when looking at it I saw small arms gun

I was terrified that was the inner workings of a bolter

[lavish thorn]

Like space marines are almost never depicted with spare magazines, but bolters fire more than 900rpm and only have about 30 shots

[storm jungle]

well "macro" is in the name

[plush mason]

and they do mean macro

[lavish thorn]

Don’t get me started on fucking bolters, speaking of things that shouldn’t have recoil

[worn cargo]

Why do they have wires???? Why do they have wires?

[lavish thorn]

It’s a self propelled round GW you dicks

[plush mason]

just a few of those massive shells hitting a planet would fucking wreck it

[storm jungle]

Egypt.

[worn cargo]

What are those little people pulling????????????

[storm jungle]

the arming of the cannon

[plush mason]

they are out the gun is reloaded after firing

[storm jungle]

again, just ignore it

its stupid lmao

[worn cargo]

I

I

[plush mason]

welcome to 40k lore

[worn cargo]

I need a moment

[scenic bolt]

the guys who wrote this shit came from 2000ad

[worn cargo]

My mind has just been destroyed.

[scenic bolt]

which also has same kinda hyperbolic dystopia tropes

[worn cargo]

I am distraught

[plush mason]

and dune

[scenic bolt]

none of the 40k writers wrote dune????????

[worn cargo]

What the fuck they expect the slaves to do during docking procedures??? Turn to chaos immediately??????????

[scenic bolt]

a shitton of them wrote for 2000ad

[plush mason]

oh i thought you meant the inspiration my bad

[storm jungle]

To be fair

literally every imperial planet

has a chaos cult

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

because life sucks

[worn cargo]

Yea I see why now when you have to get a fucking medal for doing something AUTOMATED

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[near hedge]

my son is sick, please nurgle, save him, the emperor has not helped

[plush mason]

it says a LOT about the imperium when a god that literally gives you cancer is a better option for most people

[storm jungle]

If you are gonna die in chains you might as well go out killing people

[storm jungle]

☝️

[worn cargo]

Now I see why

[scenic bolt]

BUH THE IMPERIUM ARE THE GOOD GUYSSSSS?!

[worn cargo]

Never had I understood

But now I see why

[storm jungle]

Basically imagine your entire life being just slavery

[scenic bolt]

DONT ALSO ASK ME ABOUT MY IRL POLITICAL BELIEFS

[storm jungle]

Don't.

[worn cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy3am-gif-10356365

[storm jungle]

we'll get one of them soon enough again

[lavish thorn]

You work 18 hours a day and sleep for 4, subsisting on rations made from the processed corpses of your neighbours

[storm jungle]

Man

[scenic bolt]

theyve been summoned

[storm jungle]

im glad IRL isnt like that

[lavish thorn]

Mandatory church every day

Lel

[storm jungle]

looks at my Masters courses

[lavish thorn]

I feel your pain

[worn cargo]

And then you get to go in the giant ship & pull wires that are delayed by like a minute just so you think you’re doing something

[storm jungle]

To be honest

thats almost light

you can be a lobotimized doormen for rich people your entire life

[plush mason]

ye

[storm jungle]

as your cyborg body rots due to poor maintenance

[worn cargo]

Atleast it’s more than pulling a wire

[lavish thorn]

I’m pretty sure that was actually my first job as an adult…

[cerulean wagon]

lobotomite drinks dispenser pog

[scenic bolt]

in every age in every place the deeds of graduate students remains the same

[worn cargo]

It’s times like this I wonder why there are no ork cults :(

[storm jungle]

Schola Progenium Moment

[storm jungle]

there actually is

[scenic bolt]

skip a debt payment, servitor

[storm jungle]

Digganobz

[worn cargo]

NO

[lavish thorn]

And speed kults!

[scenic bolt]

2 seconds late serving your liege lord, servitor

[worn cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-silly-warhammer40000-space-marine-purge-intensifies-gif-7691332

[storm jungle]

Diggas are tribes of primal humans that live on the world of Angelis.[1]

They are the descendants of the original Imperial survey team, but generations of war and catastrophe has reduced them into violent savages that mimic the Orks of their world. The Diggas and Orks of Angelis have a history of bloody conflict, but in recent years have established a level of coexistence. Orks will trade weapons to Digga for scrap, while the Diggas seek Ork technology and mimic Greenskin culture. Often painting themselves green, Diggas have divided themselves into warring mobs much like the Greenskins they emulate

but their excuse is they are a stranded pocket of humanity

and are like

from this OOOLD rpg

[worn cargo]

Nevermind yes

[storm jungle]

Warhammer Fantasy actually has more to this

where humans can worship other factions' gods, 40k though doesnt do it as much

[cerulean wagon]

I will also mention

not all worlds are awful

but yes

the imperium sucks

[worn cargo]

I know of the eldari worlds

But digganobs

Now those are some chaps

[storm jungle]

Maiden Worlds are more or so just pretty planets the eldar have left during their exodus.

[worn cargo]

Too bad they’ll still probably get slain by an ork though

[storm jungle]

Also yeah lma0

[lavish thorn]

Yeah we only see the awful shit because it makes for fun viewing

You never get to see the high lord’s holiday weekend on a paradise planet

[cerulean wagon]

i've got a friend like this

[scenic bolt]

you got the tau humans, the ork humans, the nid humans, wheres the necron humans

[cerulean wagon]

i wish he'd stop painting himself green

[storm jungle]

Pariahs my beloved

[worn cargo]

Mechanicus?

[cerulean wagon]

get retconned lmao

[storm jungle]

[lavish thorn]

That was such a shame

That was an awesome bit of lore

[cerulean wagon]

thanks newcrons

[storm jungle]

They literally only got terminated due to tabletop bullshit

i fucking hate it

[worn cargo]

Pariah’s I’m assuming were OP?

[lavish thorn]

Same as the tau sterilising people - I miss the tau being nuanced bad guys

[scenic bolt]

leave it to 40k to axe the good stuff

[storm jungle]

On tabletop yeah

they are basically necronized humans

they were SUPER cool

[lavish thorn]

Specifically blanks

[storm jungle]

^

[cerulean wagon]

that still happens btw

[worn cargo]

Wait like human robots?

[cerulean wagon]

its just that tau players don't like being reminded it happens

[worn cargo]

Oh my god it is human robots

[storm jungle]

Kinda?

[lavish thorn]

Oh good! I thought it got retconned

[storm jungle]

They basically just turn you into a necron

but its like

[cerulean wagon]

the Dawn of war one got retconned, theres like 4 other sources

[storm jungle]

those IRL human leaders making other natives into their auxillaries basically

[worn cargo]

I’m assuming you can’t get the time lord situation?

[storm jungle]

Nah

the problem is pariahs have like

not been mentioned in years

also got erased as a unit

[lavish thorn]

Nah the process of necro conversion leaves nothing but ash behind

[cerulean wagon]

its cause the pariah gene got retconned

[worn cargo]

Man that would’ve been neat to see

[lavish thorn]

No timey wimey shenanigans

[storm jungle]

the OG pariahs had some side-fleshy bits on the mouth

[cerulean wagon]

they flat don't exist in lore anymore

[storm jungle]

but thats just for visuals i think

[cerulean wagon]

[storm jungle]

also yeah

like

the only way they can come back if GW wants it

otherwise they are in the retcon realm atm

[lavish thorn]

Yeah to be fair when they were around, the process of necronisation had never been described

[near hedge]

like the squats, they are merely hiding

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

[lavish thorn]

Nate Crowley covers it in the oltyx books, I can’t remember what they’re called but they’re fucking awesome

[cerulean wagon]

actually a single book covered it

about one of the null assassins i forget the name of

[storm jungle]

Culexus?

[lavish thorn]

Culexus?

[cerulean wagon]

ye

dude started getting dreams calling him to a world

went there and got necroned

[lavish thorn]

That’s awesome

Can you remember what it was called?

I’d love to give it a read

The old stuff can be hard to find

[cerulean wagon]

honestly idk, with GW naming? probably literally called pariah

[worn cargo]

Because if you don’t give them specific names then some people may not have the ability to be a full on nerd about it

[storm jungle]

the term "pariah" is used for like 5 seperate shit in the lore

so what skelly said is correct

[worn cargo]

I’ll get the hang of the lore one day…. One day….

[lavish thorn]

As soon as you get the hang of it…Gw changes it again

And since I’m here - fuck “aeldari”, “asuryani”, and “drukhari”

They’re ELDAR

[storm jungle]

honestly i dont mind those

but like

calling Ogres OGORS

Orks ORRUKS

[lavish thorn]

AND IT’S THE GODDAMN IMPERIAL GUARD

So fucking stupid

Copyright reasons and all, I get it, but at least put in a little effort

[storm jungle]

40k copyright names almost get away by sounding cool admittedly.

If you want no effort just look at AOS.

[lavish thorn]

I can’t read AOS

Makes me want to take my thumbs to my eyeballs

[storm jungle]

Dwarves > Duardin
Elves > Aelves
Orcs > Orruks
Ogres > Ogors

and thats like the beginning

[lavish thorn]

Stop please I beg you

[worn cargo]

STOP STOP PLEASE IT’S HORRIBLE

[lavish thorn]

It hurts

Honestly I just resent the general existence of AOS

[mossy mortar]

This is how the military of many dictatorships is actually structured

[storm jungle]

Imperial Guard?

No its Iymperal Gerd

[lavish thorn]

They shit the bed so badly with the end times

[cerulean wagon]

you mean the astra militarum

[lavish thorn]

Why are you like this

[cerulean wagon]

[lavish thorn]

[storm jungle]

I joke but

you saw the Votann

[cerulean wagon]

i wish i hadn't

[storm jungle]

Broker? BROKHYR

Kin? KYN

[lavish thorn]

My eyes

[worn cargo]

NO IT ISNT

[storm jungle]

But okay ill stop

[worn cargo]

NO NO IT GETS WORSE

[shadow plover]

I can see why it's jarring and I can see why they did it

[worn cargo]

IT’S LIKE A JACK AND THE BOX BUT ALL THE SURPRISE IS IS PAIN

[shadow plover]

so I don't really care

[mossy mortar]

Sisters of Battle

[cerulean wagon]

they aren't a guard regiment

[lavish thorn]

Because GW are a cash hungry soulless money grubbing corporate beast who will sacrifice small children at the altar of the almighty pound sterling?

[shadow plover]

No not really

[lavish thorn]

You’re entitled to your opinion

[mossy mortar]

I assumed the ammo was in the backpack

[worn cargo]

Do they have their own regiments they all literally look like the same

[mossy mortar]

I ly the space church can afford to outfit everyone in power armor

Guard doesn't have the funding

[lavish thorn]

Apparently that’s actually their power generator for the armour

[worn cargo]

Okay that’s badass

[mossy mortar]

I know but there's room for both

It's like some sort of fusion generator in there

So it can run for years

[lavish thorn]

It also has their spare oxygen, nutrition stores, waste recycler etc

[mossy mortar]

Logically if youre swinging a sword around all the time you wouldn't eant to strap too mich stuff on your chest

It would get in your way

So I assume there's some sort of hopper system there to refill magazines

[lavish thorn]

Oh yeah I’m with you, I just think logic and gw are distant acquaintances at best

[mossy mortar]

Just like how bolters themselves seem able to switch freely from magazines to belt feed

[lavish thorn]

Yeah it’s one of those things I just wave away, they’re firing 75 caliber shells

About the size of a red bull can

So it takes up a tonne of space

[mossy mortar]

Yeah ammo sizes are ridiculously big

[worn cargo]

With one hand half the time

[storm jungle]

40k human armies dont use power armor because the lore says so.

[lavish thorn]

0.75 I should say

[storm jungle]

its not that deep

[mossy mortar]

I just assume .75 calibre means something different

[lavish thorn]

75 cal is artillery haha

[storm jungle]

just write in some "logistics/cant afford to give it to everyone" excuse and here ya go

[mossy mortar]

Than what it means today

[near hedge]

the guard don't use PA cause that'd increase point pricing

[mossy mortar]

If you want regular humans in power armor you play SoB or inquisitorial army

[worn cargo]

Mechanicus too dumb our power armor factory br0ke meatsack

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[mossy mortar]

Maybe the ecclesiaslrchy intentionally bribes them to not hand it out to everyone

[worn cargo]

Instead of this tall they have this cool to ride

[storm jungle]

So again

excuses

but yeah

[mossy mortar]

Rhe world is complicated

[worn cargo]

Better to live in an excuse than the capitalistic hellhole

[mossy mortar]

Eh

?

[rose thorn]

HEY HOW THR FUCK DO HOUSE VAN SAAR HAVE SUPER ADVANCE TECH

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120599006_VanSaarGang01.jpg

[mossy mortar]

Because they're rich

[storm jungle]

STC in the basement

[rose thorn]

TEMPTUS SCIONS GOT NOTHING ON THIS SHIT

[storm jungle]

literally

[worn cargo]

Who the fuck’re those???

[storm jungle]

noble House Van Saar from necromunda

[mossy mortar]

You might as well ask why doesn't guard get land speeders but almost everu 40k book includes flying cars and shit

[storm jungle]

I mean its a good question

its just plot holes

[worn cargo]

So imperials that take necron tech?

[storm jungle]

Nah its just advanced sci-fi tech

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/House_Van_Saar

it just has a smooth look

[worn cargo]

gang?

[rose thorn]

I love necromunda for kitbashing stuff alone

[keen nova]

I was afraid that it would end up being genocide so I'm glad they still exist

[rose thorn]

Their hive scum set is perfect for civilians

[mossy mortar]

Just say that the guard has to be ready to travel and deploy to new planets immediately, and speeders need months of careful tuning to function on a different planet unless they're the special ones used on the Land Speeder

[storm jungle]

Gang-gang.

[mossy mortar]

So speeders are limited to local vehicles

And also their gas mileage is bad what ch upsets the munitorum

[worn cargo]

I’ve got some reading to do then

[storm jungle]

Yeah again

lexicanum is your friend

[worn cargo]

Thank you for supplying this material

[storm jungle]

No worries.

[worn cargo]

I never know where to find any of it

[mossy mortar]

Necromunda is a fun system too

At least thr old one was I haven't looked at the new revision

[storm jungle]

I'd mostly avoid asking here since it can turn into "A few people are typing..." fest fast.

but your call so

[mossy mortar]

I do hope we see some uphive environments in the game too

Instead of all industrial all the time

[worn cargo]

That’s the best bit though

That just means more lore

[mossy mortar]

There were some colorfil old necromunda characters

Is Mad Donna still around?

[storm jungle]

hasn't gotten new lore since 2011

[storm jungle]

You might get misled though

so be wary of that

[worn cargo]

I have been and this place has helped correct it or given me more than what I used to know, especially with such helpful staff to get the lore more accurate & images alongside depictions or the inner guts you can’t find on just a video cause they didn’t write it yet or it’s just little known

Howe’er I thank you for caring about the facilitations o the lore

[storm jungle]

I try my best 🙏

its mostly because its a slippery slope

[worn cargo]

It has certainly been a reason why I like returning for conversation or thousands of questions

[storm jungle]

Just be careful not to catch krieg shovel brainrot

[mossy mortar]

The lore has honest ranged from one point to another

[worn cargo]

They’ve never interested me as much as people hype them to be honest it’s just Germanic & like a guard regiment

[mossy mortar]

When in doubt just mske up the funniest or most extreme answer that works in the omot

[worn cargo]

I’m an ork boi.

[storm jungle]

[mossy mortar]

I don't get it

[real stone]

Literally looked up "Shitty krieg meme"

[storm jungle]

tbh its not that far off

[mossy mortar]

Did krieg even get a plastic release

[storm jungle]

Yeah

kill-team

[mossy mortar]

Or are they still all resin

Oh hmmm

[storm jungle]

They also got a trench-club finally

[worn cargo]

That’s something that took a while for them to implement?

[mossy mortar]

I actually own the old imperial armour books somewhere

A decent chunk of them

[storm jungle]

Yeah krieg were forgeworld for awhile

so most of their minis were like

crouching soldier dude with rifle

[mossy mortar]

Ooh i bet now is a good time to complete my collection

[storm jungle]

standing soldier dude with rifle

[mossy mortar]

Now thay the British pound has pooped the bed

[worn cargo]

I hate to ask this but how do I know what’s the difference between forge world & all this fancy words I’ve been hearing about it

[storm jungle]

Okay so

forgeworld is literally just another mini-site of GW

its infamous for being expensive af

They sell a lot of misc units for almost every faction

but its dominantly imperium/human stuff

[mossy mortar]

It's usually all small limiyed production stuff

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

[mossy mortar]

Often hand made

[storm jungle]

its more or so slowly dying

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/FW-Home

[plush mason]

why did GW start it anyway?

[mossy mortar]

They used to make for instance like a 20 pound thunderhaek model

By pound i mean weight

[storm jungle]

theres literally a 1k money titan body in there

and it doesnt even have any guns

[mossy mortar]

Hehe

[storm jungle]

its just the body

[worn cargo]

what

[plush mason]

so that whole "spend 2k on a warlord" isnt a meme?

[mossy mortar]

Because plastic molds are insanely expensive

[storm jungle]

NOPE

[plush mason]

lmao

[mossy mortar]

But they want to also make niche models for their superfans

[storm jungle]

You literally have to be a titan maniac to waste money on that

[mossy mortar]

Just a regular maniac

[plush mason]

like cant you only use titans in like one version of the TT?

[worn cargo]

Do we know the warlord??

[worn cargo]

Oh my gork

[mossy mortar]

Now if you buy a premade gargant instead of kitbashing one

You're just nuts

Well that titan is enormous

And casting it is probably an insane pain im the ass

[plush mason]

like couldnt you just use a small bucket and some random ork guns/other junk to make a gargant?

[storm jungle]

I'd like to help but i dont know anything about minis so

[plush mason]

its a meme

[storm jungle]

though I know with enough determination you can make a mini of everything

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/f0/9f/6af09fb61c5a2977761e22ff6ae4aa9e.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RBEpkMn.jpg

heres Orktimus Prime

[plush mason]

ork are just make for dip shit DIY kitbashing

hell thats literally all their tech is in lore

[worn cargo]

THAT is a thousand dollars

[worn cargo]

Ten thousand even cause it goes up into a little truck

Vroom vroom, motherfucker

[plush mason]

i wonder how much it costs in England

[near hedge]

ORKFORMERS! Greener than meets the eye

I tried

[worn cargo]

I think this is the euro.

[worn cargo]

So about as much as the website image

[plush mason]

oh it is

[quick jackal]

The titan models are cool, but they seem totally impractical to actually play with

[plush mason]

i have seen all of 1 game where titans where used

the video was almost an hour long and the match only lasted 2 turns

[mossy mortar]

They're sold as a novelty

If you want to play with titans tou play Epic 40k

[plush mason]

like titans can only be used in the gigantic version of the TT that takes hours to finish even a single match

[quick jackal]

There are lots of 3d printer files for bringing all the new models into Epic

[mossy mortar]

Those space marines are insanely small

How they hell they paint them i hsve no idea

[plush mason]

why do think the primaris where made lmao

[near hedge]

I nabbed titanicus a year or so ago cause I like titans but lol, lmao, spending and painting huge models

[plush mason]

titans are just ridiculous no matter what

[mossy mortar]

Like the whole base of 5 guys is 40mm across

And this guy is paining eyes on each one

[plush mason]

cause mad lad

[mossy mortar]

But titans are now just thr size of a big monster from 40mm scale 40k

Wait is thst why it's called 40k

[plush mason]

lmao

isnt it technically 41k?

the setting is in the 42nd millennium right?

[smoky mauve]

Dilly, why you gotta post stuff that breaks my poor lil heart? lol

[alpine ingot]

wait... I just realized that that Warlord Titan body doesn't include the head, and that's an extra $94 just for the head and the shield plates that go on the pauldrons

[plush mason]

..........

[worn cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-you-what-what-did-you-do-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-19389913

[plush mason]

hi. we are GW and we love insanely predatory pricing models

1.3k EU for like half a model at most

btw

what are the demon primarchs all doing rn?

[lavish thorn]

Timeline wise Morty just got his shit rocked in his failed invasion of ultramar

Otherwise, no idea

[alpine ingot]

Perturabo: napping.
Angron: Malding.
Fulgrim: being high.
Lorgar: praying.
Horus: dead.
Curze: dead
Alpharius: dead(?).
Magnus: btfo'd into webway.

[plush mason]

didnt Curze kill himself?

or rather let himself get killed by an assassin

[keen nova]

Do you think the Tau regularly stomps guard in lore because they're basically a modern army going against ww1/ww2 guys?

[old trench]

That, and GW writers can't do math or comprehend scale on a galactic level for the life of them and most of them probably don't entirely realize that the Tau are outnumbered by such a hilariously large margin it's not even funny.

Either that or the GW writers do realize that the Tau would struggle to win a war of attrition against the Eldar, let alone the Guard or Orks, and that's why the Tau military forces so consistently overperform vs their opponents, because one good defeat would crack them open.

[keen nova]

One good defeat would crack them open?

[old trench]

I mean, when one or two Imperial hive worlds probably match the entire Tau population...

[keen nova]

I know they lost the second taros campaign and were kicked off a Dark angels planet within a day. Other than that I can't recall anymore losses.

[old trench]

Basically, they are a modern force going up against a WW1 force, but their enemies outnumber them on a strategic, if not tactical, level so hard that they can't tank defeats like the IG or Orks or Chaos can

They can lose narratively every so often to keep it fresh, but I don't think it'll ever be a serious defeat

[keen nova]

Hmm, Numbers really don't seem to help. Most numerically superior factions are the ones that lose the most.

[old trench]

Yeah, because they can lose the most and still come out ahead, or at least having parity, by the cold calculus of attrition

[keen nova]

Alrighty then, makes sense. Although the losses I mentioned are really just background information from some codexes

[old trench]

It's why the IG loses so much more than the Space Marines on a narrative level

[old trench]

Yeah, and when the Tau's enemies do start making serious headway against them, a lot of the time you'll see... Tau are losing to X faction, but then Y faction comes in to attack X faction for whatever reason; or the enemy commanders just start behaving like edjeets and squander their advantages

We see this in the Damocles Gulf Crusade, where, right about when it becomes apparent that the Tau can win all the tactical victories they want and it won't matter because the Imperium can just attrit them to death, boom! Tyranid hive fleet comes in and the Imperium suddenly has bigger fish to fry

But to answer your original question, yeah, basically. The Tau are a modern army and the IG tends to be written as somewhere from Napoleonic to WW1 in tactics, organization, etc etc

The Tau are playing Battlefield 2042 while the Imperial Guard is still on Napoleon: Total War

[keen nova]

Yep. Which is a bit strange though, because I've been seeing art of the vosotryans doing pretty well against them

I remember seeing somewhere that their reputation for accuracy made them a good match for the tau's range

I haven't been able to find any campaigns or wars that show this. Just art. When listening to the taros campaign that seems to be one of the biggest weaknesses the guard has. They get mauled from a distance and when they try to close the Tau are they gone by the time they reach range.

Or they just walk straight into some kroot

Man. That's depressing

When I first heard of the tau, I thought they'd be a cool rival for the guard. Like, the cold war but in space! But it seems more like one of those "I'm you, but stronger" memes so far. Is there a regiment that does particularly well against them or should I just enjoy the slaughter?/just compare them to space Marines?

[lavish thorn]

There unfortunately isn't really a specific regiment that does well - the issues the imperium has fighting the tau is down to technology more than anything

The issue is that the Tau compared to the Imperium are so vanishly small that having a meaningful victory for the Imperium would look a lot like annihilating the Tau

Unfortunately the way they're written, the guard are there to get stomped on so that they can call in the space marines, who will actually get the narrative spotlight

Which is a real shame

That's what the entirety of the Tau empire looks like as of the 5th sphere expansion - they have at most 100 worlds based on that, which is probably being generous

The Imperium have a million, ish

[old trench]

Yeah. The Tau would be a lot more of a peer threat to the Imperium if the Imperium was about the size of Ultramar's realm

[lavish thorn]

Yeah absolutely

As they are, they're a rounding error

The only reason they still exist is that the imperium has more important enemies to focus on

[old trench]

A vast victory for the Tau is "We lost some good people, but we've achieved this objective and routed these ten Guard regiments!"
That same battle for the Imperium is "Aw shit, Adept Severus lost a few regiments due to a rounding error" and if the wider imperium even realizes the battle that wiped out ten guard regiments even happened, it'd be a stunning display of eagle-eyed competence from whichever Adeptus goon was collating the reports

[lavish thorn]

Dead on

[old trench]

This is something I don't entirely think GW writers get

They keep trying to push the Tau as a major faction, when... they're not.

They're probably not even the most important minor

but yeah, ramble over (until someone gets me started again)

[lavish thorn]

Yeah I'm with you - I just mentally multiply any number given in terms of scale by at least 10 where GW is concerned

[old trench]

Honestly though

the thing that grinds my gears is that

Okay, so in the English language, the apostraphe - the ' symbol - is used either to denote ownership (it was Bill's car) or to denote contractions where there are missing letters (they're - they are)

So why the bleeding hell are the Tau so utterly obsessed with useless apostraphes

[atomic pelican]

The apostrophes typically just separate the parts of their titles and names

Shas'O Vior'la Shovah Kais Mont'yr

Is a Fire caste commander, he is from Vior'la, the hero of Vior'la, and a master of Montka

Shovah is his true name I believe

Shadowsun is alot easier since she has less titles. Shas'o Shaserra

She is a commander, her name is Shaserra

Commander Shaserra

[fresh blade]

It's also because apostrophes are commonly used to denote a glottal stop, particularly in transliterated foreign words. Like in the word Hawai'i.

[atomic pelican]

Yeeee

[alpine ingot]

Mixture of me falling asleep and my phone being finicky as I try to proof read and deletes portions.

[tired umbra]

They are not major -yet-. But with the breakneck pace at which they are advancing their gear they WILL be a big problem eventually.

Assuming they survive that long.

[barren tapir]

Were, they hit the wall as now

And if we link the dots we can see that most of their tech is acquired via trade or retroengineering imperial stuff

[tired umbra]

They are still advancing no matter how they acquire the things. They keep churning out new suits and ships constantly.

[dusk knot]

it's still also a matter of distance

[lavish thorn]

They’d need to solve their population shortage for serious expansion

[dusk knot]

they are still reliant on cryo stasis to move troops

[lavish thorn]

There are just not enough tau to take over that many planets

[barren tapir]

Were

Although the new portal in the other side of the galaxy might spurn them back to make new stuff

[lavish thorn]

There are single hive planets with populations measured in quadrillions

The imperium could realistically bury the tau in unarmed conscripts if they were sufficiently motivated

Without the tau starting up an industrial scale cloning program, they just can’t compete

Even if they did, it’d take centuries at an absolute minimum to build a viable population

But hey that’s logic - ultimately the tau will be a major faction for as long as their models sell on the tabletop

[mossy mortar]

If you take into account thr low volumes and difficulties casting stuff that size the price isn't really unreasonable at all

[mossy mortar]

Tau have very slow faster than light travel and no ftl communication system. Strategically they are trapped

[lavish thorn]

Yeah they have zero interdiction capability, there’s no reason the imperium can’t literally warp a fleet on top of their home planets and glass them one by one

[mossy mortar]

Most 40k factions are set up as barely holding on into slow inevitable declinr. Tau are set up as dramatic irony where they don't understand how they live on a knife's edge at all times, but we do

[mossy mortar]

Well, ghe reason is that the imperium is beset by so many more urgent threats that they can't spare the resources

It's also a possible parallel to the imperial Japanese military that they're partially inspired by

Imperial japan had some big early victories but ultimately they were living on borrowed time strategically

Their naval doctrine ended up costing them too

And their communications were compromised fairly early on and it seems they never quite realized that

[lavish thorn]

Yeah we were discussing that up above. The Tau will exist for as long as they don’t genuinely piss off the imperium

[mossy mortar]

For instance if the Tau base their cryptography on normal calculations and probability vs. the imperium who hsve psykers that can literally manipulate probability

[lavish thorn]

In Imperial terms, it wouldn’t take that much work to wipe out the tau - the damocles gulf crusade was a pitiful skirmish fleet compared to a genuine war fleet

But anyway, it all doesn’t really matter. Ascribing logic to gw’s lore decisions is a dicey proposition at the best of times

[mossy mortar]

They're an interesting faction if played right, but the writers usually don't do sngrrat job

[lavish thorn]

Yeah agreed

As a faction I love them, but their lore is a mess

[mossy mortar]

I think the most interesting thing would be to go in on their leader units - the Tau cast a very small shadow in the warp. Maybe their best leaders are very important to them because the typical Tau is honestly extremely lacking in things likr creative thought

Whereas most humans are entirely capable of becoming great men of properly nurtured, but get crushed into peons by the imperial system

If so then a strategic action would be the interdiction and assassinatiom of critical leaders or "exceptional Tau"

Aided by the breaking of their cryptography

This is a parallel to the famous assassination of Yamamoto in Operationsl Vengeance

[storm jungle]

They basically suffer the same problem some other factions do where they all got this one author who has them on a chokehold and writes all their books.

In Tau's case iirc it was Phil Kelly who everyone is super 50/50 on

[mossy mortar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vengeance

[final spruce]

Ah yes the guy that decided :"I will never write Chaos Tau because its not what I want to write."

[storm jungle]

truly a RIP™️ existence

[shadow plover]

I've not heard of this but isn't that a pretty valid reason?

[lavish thorn]

Thank you for giving me a name to curse

Bloody Phil Kelly

Fkn useless

[final spruce]

It is a valid reason but when you listen to the stream and he answers the questions, he is being pretty condescending about it. He refuses chaos Tau to be part of the lore atleast from what he writes so that CANT happen since he is their main writer

[mossy mortar]

Meh i mean that was part of their setup wasn't it

Weirdly resistant to chaos

[final spruce]

Well until you read the 9th edition Tau codex

[mossy mortar]

I hear it's bad

Like some rral nonsense in there

[lavish thorn]

Yeah although that as well is inconsistently written - in some books they aren’t resistant, they’re just don’t really notice it

Whereas in others they’re almost like weak blanks

[dusk knot]

consistency? in 40k?!?

[final spruce]

Yeah ...

[lavish thorn]

You’re right

I’m an idiot

[final spruce]

Don't worry we are all idiots here

[barren tapir]

Not resistant, just un interesting for the warp entities

[mossy mortar]

resistant to the temptations of chaos

[barren tapir]

Nope

[keen nova]

Wot?

[storm jungle]

DK said whereas in others they’re almost like weak blanks

[keen nova]

Also, I keep hearing this "If they lose one campaign it's game over" I mean they can take a big loss and then their attacker gets distracted by something else like they normally do right? It just seems kind of like an excuse But it's so consistent with multiple people I don't know where it came from

[storm jungle]

I mean

the Imperium also has massive plot armor and none of its characters can die and always come out on top in most battles.

Thats super convenient too

Tau kinda deserve that kind of treatment in comparison

[keen nova]

I called it plot armor once but then-there it is!

[storm jungle]

It is though

so yeah you are correct

[keen nova]

Yeah but it breaks my guard fanboy heart! People will say; If you want to talk plot armor look at space Mari-
Me: "I hate space marines, I hate space marines, I hate space marines!"

[storm jungle]

Everyone has plot armor. Its fiiiiine.

[keen nova]

Even the guard?

[storm jungle]

Yeah.

Its a toy game, they kinda need to exist.

[keen nova]

Meh

I really like the idea of near peer armies are still vastly different.

Then again I've never played the tabletop I'm coming from games here.

[storm jungle]

All guardsman are Cadians.

The sooner you accept this the better.

https://tenor.com/view/agent-smith-matrix-shrug-men-in-suit-gif-5610691

[shadow plover]

they all blew up

goodbye guard

[storm jungle]

New guard fans be like:

"What happened to all the other regiments on tabletop?"

Cadian players:

https://media.tenor.com/uSCfr1Mi-u4AAAAd/agent-smith-the-matrix.gif

[keen nova]

I used to say the same thing with my buddy, that every gun is just going to become a variant of the M16. I suddenly feel bad for bothering him with this.

[keen nova]

Why are you like this

[shadow plover]

I love it when guard gets their shit pushed in

[keen nova]

I'd say I'm tellin' the inquisitor but they'd probably just laugh.

[lavish thorn]

Basically what I mean is the Tau are badly written and are always apparently enough of a threat that they’re supposed to be a credible major faction, but never enough of a threat that the imperium actually takes them seriously

It can’t logically be both, to me

The way the imperium is described, the tau aren’t even a speed bump

Annoying and inconsistent writing that forces an entire faction to have plot armour to justify their own existence, instead of actually good writing that makes tau the genuine major force they should be

I wish the Tau had an actual empire

But look, it’s 40k

Everything exists solely to sell plastic and any lore argument is basically irrelevant because the lore will always be changed to fit whatever is selling well

[keen nova]

Eldar fans reading that last bit:

[lavish thorn]

Re: the blanks comment earlier - Tau have been stated in past books to actually be unaffected by daemons slash warp stuff

But in other books they’re just not sensitive to it and aren’t aware of the warp, but can still be affected by it

Again just more inconsistent writing - logically I think the second case makes more sense

Sorry I’m probably not being the most articulate, it’s nearly 3am

[keen nova]

I actually like the cool roboTech/turok faction. Just saying my silly guard opinion. Those folks seem to dislike the more than space marine players do. Without making a bunch of cringy comics though.
https://youtu.be/0GGOQzwGOPU

[keen nova]

I've heard small warp presence, When you said blank I thought you meant they had that aura of...uh... Disruption or whatever.

[keen nova]

Oof

[lavish thorn]

Yeah I think small warp presence is what is meant to be canon, it’s just badly described sometimes

[keen nova]

I really like blanks. Blanks are cool.

[lavish thorn]

Yeah they’re one of my all time favourite flavours of people in 40k

Such a cool concept

[keen nova]

I love the idea of a wizard who can make people's ends explode, only for him to get his ass beat by someone immune to it

[lavish thorn]

Oh man you should read the Ravenor books if you haven’t

Blanks play a big role

And also in the eisonhorn trilogy

They share a lot of the same characters

[keen nova]

It's that weird come back to reality feeling ya know? Iike, imagine if Superman suddenly took out gun and shot the villain.

[keen nova]

Ravenor?

[lavish thorn]

He’s a powerful psyker inquisitor investigating assorted heresies

Formerly apprenticed to Gregor eisenhorn (protagonist of the eisonhorn trilogy) who is an infamous radical inquisitor

Has a tonne of great lore about the inquisition, psykers, and blanks

All written by Dan Abnett who’s basically the GOAT black library author

But yeah it gives a huge amount of characterisation to blanks and how their powers work

And just how fucking scary that makes them to psykers and demons

[keen nova]

Fuck yeah!

Okay

[lavish thorn]

Anyway I should crash but if you get the chance they’re all excellent reads!

[crisp heath]

how powerful are plague ogryns?

[tired umbra]

Take a 300kg dude who is both too tough and stupid to die from a headshot with enough power to rip you in half with his bare hands. Now make him even harder to kill, smellier and probably immune to pain.

[abstract zealot]

So are we playing as the invaders or defenders in Darktide?

[tired umbra]

Defenders.

[barren tapir]

Both... Maybe... It depend on how you see things

[rose thorn]

So who’s the heretic saint and what’s up with her?

I saw her model and I love the idea of running sisters with harlequins but I don’t think you can do that with her lmao

My partner wants to make a sisters army and also loves harlequins so i thought maybe they would be a good choice

[dusk knot]

The what

[plush mason]

the harlequins are eldar clowns

[dusk knot]

Yeah, what’s the heretic saint

[plush mason]

oh

[plush mason]

its a book series it seems

[rose thorn]

Ephreal stern I meant

I couldn’t remember her name lmao

Oh yeah I forgot her book is in the humble bundle

[plush mason]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ephrael_Stern

this wiki likely has a lot of spoilers for her books so i wouldnt read it if you are planning on reading said books

[rose thorn]

Ah play

Okay

I wasn’t sure if it was that type of book

With like an actual story lmao

[plush mason]

its on audible

[rose thorn]

The humble bundle comes with the audio book so I’m just gonna get it and send it to my partner

[plush mason]

sounds good

[storm jungle]

Stern is originally a comic book character from the mid 2000's

the book stuff kinda comes later

before her and kynagil got minis they were pretty much kinda forgotten

[plush mason]

oof

[rose thorn]

I’m looking at their rules and I don’t really see anything too interesting

[storm jungle]

To be fair

they did come out during the Psychic Awakening

aka the update where nothing of interest both lore and rulewise happened

💀

[rose thorn]

Lmao

Idk what I was expecting, but isn’t she a Psyker?

And it’s she has like

2 anti chaos rules

I hate anti faction rules

[atomic pelican]

Yeah anti factions tend to be fluffy but either absolute garbage or busted beyond belief

[rose thorn]

It’s prettt trash it’s just leadership and combat attrition

Agaisnt mainly CSMs lmao

[rose thorn]

In my opinion idk how useful it would have been, but she should have like, her warlord trait also have ‘oh yeah if she is your warlord you can bring up to like 15% of your points in harlequins’ or something small

But I need to listen to the book first

[atomic pelican]

Please god no

no more imperial factions sucking up xeno support

Its already bad enough that the only named harle character is a imperial unit LMAO

[silk haven]

Would an ogryn be able to measure up to a marine in terms of raw strength?

[plush mason]

iirc they can surpass them

[silk haven]

the ogryns can? or the marines?

[plush mason]

the ogryns

[alpine ingot]

even in power armor, an Ogryn can fuck up a space marine

[plush mason]

ye

but marines can easily out think the ogryns

[tired umbra]

And outspeed

[plush mason]

ye

[silk haven]

i am fairly noobish to warhammer 40k lore which is why i ask, i generally wanna know how probable it is for darktide to get some rather dangerous threats besides nurgle or higher ranking nurgle units like say a plaguebearer or a chaos marine!

[tired umbra]

No marines

That's confirmed

[silk haven]

aw shucks!

fair enough tho i suppose, we see them pretty much everywhere anyway

[plush mason]

even a no body guardsmen can kill a space marine with a well placed shot. its just very rare that they land said shot

[silk haven]

you say like it is a common occurrence that guardsmen fight marines >->

[plush mason]

there are way more chaos marines than loyalist ones so they kinda do but its fairly rare still

[tawdry escarp]

Most of the chaos Marines are in the Warp

[silk haven]

OOOH ok thanks for the clarification

i just hope that darktide will try to make more named characters appaer

always wished to see someone like gelt or the such in vermintide making an appearance

[plush mason]

named characters in warhammer are stupidly OP normally so its good that they arent in VT and likely wont be in DT

[storm jungle]

yeah the Ubersreik 5 share the status of being Named Characters

like

they literally got their own wikipage and stuff

and some brave lads actually wrote every ingame mission like its a lore entry, super commendable

[plush mason]

and they are OP as hell lmao

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

with the Rejects™️ they are sadly Your Dudes so

[plush mason]

ye

[silk haven]

i know they are mind numbingly strong but that is the point i try to explain

vermintide to me was the entry to the warhammer lore

so seeing that someone MUCH stronger, a much bigger fish than you already are or feel like exists, might give new comers an even bigger insentive to check up the lore, likewise vets will be probably very please to see a character like that in those beautiful graphics!

and i do not mean like an actual playable character

more of a narrative point in show of their power or intelligence

[silk haven]

if you guys know any pros and cons to this sort of idea, i would be rather interested to hear them, i feel like people might have the feeling i try to pass this as gospel!

[cerulean wagon]

FS have gone out of their way to avoid this until they establish their own stuff, and with dabnett onboard i doubt we'll see any major characters appear, especially since we have confirmation of 0 SM

traitor SM aswell

[silk haven]

Oh thats a bummer but it is understandable though! It always feels a bit blue balling to hear their names drop but we never get a glimpse

[cerulean wagon]

its cause other media already touches on the big bois, so its more interesting for us to just get to explore the setting as a whole

• if every game just had the name characters in it'd stagnate, since they can only be in so many places

[silk haven]

yeah that is a fair point!

[unique berry]

Cant wait to see the inquisitor that is in charge and what and what kind of inquisitor he/she is

[alpine ingot]

technically Guiliman does get named dropped during in mission combat dialogue

so you could in a massive stretch of the imagination say he's in the game

[storm jungle]

if only this was made by Overkill™️

we'd get a Primarch DLC a year in

[plush mason]

ofc he does. the game takes place during the indomidous era

seemingly shortly after the fall of cadia

[near hedge]

guliman compliments you on your work in darktide dlc

[alpine ingot]

he sends you a fruit basket and a note saying "keep up the good work!"

[silk haven]

idk if that exists

but imagine an ogryn with space marine implants and stuff ...

world would know fear xD

[alpine ingot]

abhumans would never get/ be given space marine implants on purpose.

I doubt even traitor warbands would even be insane enough to waste those implants on anything or anyone less then a potential candidate to turn into another line soldier.

Besides, plenty of examples of just pumping Ogryns full of combat narcotics is more then enough to make them fuck ass mad enough to kill everything in their path.

[silk haven]

Would it be feasible for the darktide cast to face deamons of nurgle?

[silk haven]

Oh i do not mean realistic

[silk haven]

Just as a “how nasty would an ogryn be with space marine training, armor and implants!”

[cerulean wagon]

possible? yes. Although i think the devs said no, but not entirely sure on that one

[final spruce]

Thunder Warriors the comeback

[unique berry]

I mean what could a penal legion do against Deamons of Nurgle

[raven cosmos]

quite abit with some mr clean spray

[unique berry]

[raven cosmos]

tbh nurgles spawn dont care if you kill them as they'll reappear in the warp. What really pushes them is cleansing diseases they try to make to impress Grandfather Nurgle

thus mr clean spray, the mightiest weapon of the Emperor.

[silk haven]

Would just wish to see stuff like nurglings man q-q

[tawdry escarp]

We need more Exodite

[tawdry escarp]

It's a shame that the Eldar are so poorly written at times. I like them quite a bit

The whole story with the Ynnari went basically nowhere

[quick jackal]

Yea, the idea that Eldar aren't just in a hopeless death spiral really made the whole race more appealing, but was then written into another endless stalemate.

[rose thorn]

Ynnari, more like ynno more lori

I probably shouldn’t be so harsh about ynnari lmao they are probably really fun. I like soup factions so maybe they are unqiue.

[storm jungle]

They basically got 2 Ynnari books before Black Library cancelled them for being so shit

Just read the Chadrukari Trilogy

[quick jackal]

Just seems like they are turning "Xeno books don't sell well" into a self fulfilling prophecy when they make sure that xeno books never go anywhere.

[alpine ingot]

It's sad how the Eldar as a species can be handled okayish from an overview perspective, but handled so poorly from a hands on perspective

[rancid perch]

Remember when the black Templars conquered Hoxxes IV?

[rose thorn]

I feel like 40k stories are always so much better when space marines either don’t exist at all or are like only briefly talked about

[alpine ingot]

Except ork, necron, tau stories are handled really well and are entertaining.

[rose thorn]

Or like appear once lmao

[atomic pelican]

This is moreso they dont sell bcuz gav thorpe writes them

[dry epoch]

Unless you like Space Marines to start with.

[rose thorn]

Then the book should be basically only about space marines

Not

‘Eldar but a space marine is actually the main character’

[worn cargo]

Too many livers

I can only trust a man with one…

[dry epoch]

I think factions can co-exist as long as the balance is there.

[alpine ingot]

Blackstone fortress books are turning out to be pretty decent

[quick jackal]

I don't know, I read the Path of the Eldar books, and they weren't badly written, just the overall story of them was basically just "Eldar are pushovers who can't do anything right"

[final spruce]

Yeah, so are its short stories

Darius is actually decent at writing compelling characters

But I believehe didn't write the BSF short novellas

[rose thorn]

Know what we should be asking the real questions here

What color is each xenos blood

[alpine ingot]

I love the choice of narrator for then on audible

Tau is blueish purple, if an excerpt from a cain book can be taken as fact.

[rose thorn]

I’ve heard literally every color under the sun about it Lmao

[tawdry escarp]

Thorpe writes them so bloody atrociously but they still let him write them!

[alpine ingot]

Well... I like the reason given in it. Since instead of iron they have cobalt elements in their blood

[dry epoch]

Pretty sure that enjoyment (or otherwise) of writing is personal to an individual, so maybe keep it to lore discussion instead of writer-bashing?

[rose thorn]

Tyranid blood

Green or purple?

Or red

[alpine ingot]

...yes.

[dry epoch]

I like purple as an aesthetic for the 'nids.

[quick jackal]

Deep red to purple in most of the games where you can splash some nids

[storm jungle]

Thorpe deserves it lmao

theres a reason hes freelance.

YEET

[rose thorn]

Doesn’t it feel weird that orks have red blood?

[dry epoch]

Most of the authors are freelance tbf.

[tawdry escarp]

Bad writing is bad writing

[quick jackal]

No, because if the green color came from their blood they wouldn't be able to get greener as they grow in power 😄

[tawdry escarp]

There's a stark difference between style and poor ability

[storm jungle]

Yeah I mean Gav is just super one note

[rose thorn]

I’d rather have a story that doenst make sense but is fun and engaging

Then one that is lore accurate and boring

[storm jungle]

I have read all his Dark Angels books and the guy cant do anything without shoving the Fallen into it 💀

[shadow plover]

well that's just dark angels in general

[rose thorn]

Lmao isn’t that all their lore though

[storm jungle]

Yes

💀

but like, thats not a good excuse

literally do anything that isnt just Fallen

its not that hard

it just shows you are not exactly a creative writer

[dry epoch]

So going back to 'nid blood...

[alpine ingot]

If there is nothing but a constant wank session about the fallen, can there be anything else?

[rose thorn]

I’d think green because their blood is acidic

[tawdry escarp]

Do nids have a wide spectrum of blood color?

[atomic pelican]

Youve hit the nail on the head. Gav's world building is actually alright. His characters just suck and no one wants to read abt their fave faction sucking

[dusk knot]

I say red due to them having red ascents

[shadow plover]

his 30k books are fine though, even the one dark angels book he wrote for those which is pretty much the only good DA book in the series

[dusk knot]

is that the one where they don't really talk about the crusade

[shadow plover]

it's the one around imperium secundus

and night lords

[rose thorn]

Im so fucking sick of everything lore related being ‘during the crusade of fuck fuck’

[dry epoch]

I like that as an idea. Maybe depending on what world they've chomped on recently. Or the different types.

[rose thorn]

I think literally only orks and space marines are the only ones that have like giant fucking events

Oh and nids

Where they are out on an active mission

[alpine ingot]

I said this in book discussion but Gav's SoT book is good half the time. And that is when it is focusing on the space port siege, until the very end I could not care about the addeba or however it is spelled militia army.

[tawdry escarp]

It would make sense. They consume and assimilate DNA so they would have a wide choice of blood types for specific conditions

[dry epoch]

Like a tie-rack of blood. "Hmm. What colour shall I go with today?"

[alpine ingot]

He can write, but it sometimes feels like more is added to a story then is needed and it takes away from the stand out portions.

[tawdry escarp]

I was more thinking having different types of minerals for carrying the ideal gas for the environment they're in

Our blood is red outside our bodies because of iron

[rose thorn]

J think it might be dependent on the situation. So maybe if there’s a lot of lead maybe it’s like yellow or something to show it’s absorbing the lead

[tawdry escarp]

So if they use a different mineral it would make a different color

[dusk knot]

they have rgb blood

[rose thorn]

Chaos too but eh, usually it’s just BL that ahve long events

[dusk knot]

it just stops working when it leaves their body

[tawdry escarp]

Imagine them having a mineral that explodes with contact to air

[dusk knot]

it's like karmel dance party

[rose thorn]

I wanna see what a drukhari or elder crusader looks like and what would have them go on such a stench of supplies for what goal

[alpine ingot]

Anything that is important enough for a drukhari to stay for a long period of time in real space cannot be good for anyone else.

[mossy mortar]

Abnett's Iron Snakes were pretty good space marime book

Msrines are good if well weitten

The problem is when they try to make ip interpersoonal conflict between marines amd they end up sounding like whiny teenagers

Instead of disciplined professionals

[rose thorn]

Including the drukhari lmao

[atomic pelican]

Yeah major Drukhari incursions are always Fun™️ and usually for some special reason. Since usually its just raid, fuck off, party at home, repeat

The last major Drukhari full frontal assault I can recall is when Lelith led the Cult of Strife to slaughter a bunch of shrine worlds and SoB so she could fight a famous Canoness

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah that’s the piety and pain box set right ?

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

[rose thorn]

I would love to see a traveling group of gene stealer cults going on a front assault to raise cults from planets and cause a huge load of issues

[atomic pelican]

The ending is ambigous but Lelith killing the like, brand new unbuilt-up canoness seems likely LMAO

Since I dont think the SoB character was anyone big

[rose thorn]

Lmao

Shit I love the idea of the witch kults

Fucking performance murder is always cool

[atomic pelican]

Theyre great

Also the like, cultural role they fill is rlly cool

Without Wych Arenas, Commoragh wouldnt have a way to slate its violence beyons raids

So theyd slaughter eachother