40k-lore-chat

[alpine otter]

Yeah he didn´t do a good job at hiding

[alpine ingot]

but what I said about it being another Imperium "fan" has a lot more truth to it then what you might know.

hell we've made a bingo board on tell tale signs that'll get you banned lol

[alpine otter]

Oh no I can totally imagine the fascists being attracted to the setting and Imperium without realising they´re pointed to as the problem and the joke

[alpine otter]

Gimme please so I can see whether I´m bannable

womp womp

[alpine ingot]

I'd have to scroll so far back because I didn't save it

[barren tapir]

#darktide-memes message

It is an old version, but still checks out

[alpine otter]

Cheers

So one of the entry-media for me into 1d4chan after Spehss Mehreen videogame was 1d4chan´s entries

so yikes for myself on that part AHAHAHA even if it says it doesn´t count

[alpine otter]

Sorry, ¨was¨ not ¨into¨

Specifically entries on 30k

[alpine ingot]

do you keep an open mind and not limit yourself on just the Imperium and only the Imperium?

then you are pretty safe

[alpine otter]

I keep an open mind in real life

in 40k?

[alpine ingot]

well... both? I guess?

[alpine otter]

Tau seem sketchy, elves are elves

Im going with the spehss dorfs cause dorfs and spehss

[supple plume]

ROCK and STONE

oh no

[alpine otter]

Precisely.

[supple plume]

that not right

[alpine otter]

wrong universe

[supple plume]

For Kâhl

is right

[alpine otter]

Let´s just say if I knew Chaos was a real tangible thing I´d probably devolve to an Imperial if I lived long enough over the years

I am just human

[alpine ingot]

I might love different parts of the Imperium and the tragedy of the setting, but I do not limit myself on just the Imperium. there is some good stories involving xenos races and champions of Chaos

[alpine otter]

But no I don´t identify with unnecessary human suffering

[alpine otter]

Absolutely!

[supple plume]

Kinda love it,

[alpine otter]

The World Eaters´ struggle was just heartbreaking

Peter Turbo is nuanced and I don´t accept otherwise

[barren tapir]

I see you more an Ad. Mech. person honestly

[supple plume]

no sympathy for traitors

[alpine otter]

Yeah dude fucking flesh is weak I identify with them the most

[alpine ingot]

Audio books and Audio drama's are my main consumption of HH and 40k literature

and man the stuff with Kharn is good

[alpine otter]

You´d show sympathy to a daddy issues short girl

Show sympathy to daddy issues child soldier

[barren tapir]

Funny how they are among the most knowledgable about flesh and genetics uh...
But i guess the meme "the flesh is weak" has a better grip

[alpine otter]

I yelled for Kharn to kill the number one enemy

[alpine otter]

Don´t just about all enemy factions belittle them for their ¨crude mechanics¨?

[alpine ingot]

fuck Erebus with a rusty rebar spike

[supple plume]

i think this went over my head , or i got a seizure from reading it ...

[barren tapir]

Crude mechanics?

[alpine otter]

I remember maybe it was Trazyn and that other Sage´s book, it was from there?

[alpine ingot]

killed the best home boy Argel Tal

[alpine otter]

Yeah uhh bionics? implants? fucking the machinery they graft onto themselves

[alpine otter]

Precisely

[supple plume]

but what if the machine rejects you ?

[alpine otter]

I get him and yet I´m far from religious

Then I´m weak.

[alpine otter]

and would probably go for bio-improvement lel

[barren tapir]

It depend, some have advanced implants that looks like normal arms and legs... The fact is the majority of the tech priest simply don't care about what other thinks of them and got for a very pragmatic path

[alpine otter]

Ehh I imagine there´s a difference between crude and pragmatic.

Iirc the Necrons akined them to Orks

[supple plume]

belasaurus rex cough i mean Cawl

[alpine otter]

Also I read the one Orks novel and it was so fun

I´d want to be an Ork if I existed in the 40k universe

Fucking bring down a giant Titan with a squig and a goblin

GOD

[supple plume]

I'm not sure, being an ork that is

[alpine otter]

That one is a special case, more new-lore than anything, no?

[alpine ingot]

Brutal Kunin

that's the book you're talking about

[alpine otter]

You´re happy in life and in death, and you live in Ork Valhalla or get respawned because you´re just that good.

[alpine otter]

Way too many books and I got shitty memory anyway

I haven´t read anything about Eldar and Tau though but

[alpine ingot]

the Farsight series is good

[alpine otter]

Eldar is just straight up depression and Tau haven´t pulled me in but that´s just me I guess

[alpine ingot]

others are better at recommending anything Eldar related

[supple plume]

Urgh Elgi

[alpine otter]

I don´t want to read 400 pages about the protagonists being (since it´s Slaanesh) buttfucked by everyone else

God the new Ynnari novels I hear were such a letdown and they just wiped that storyline off existence

and itwas getting fuckign interesting too, from 1d4chan´s words

[supple plume]

i hate elves in almost every setting

pompeous haughty smug bastards

[alpine otter]

It´s either, you love em or you hate em.

No inbetween.

[supple plume]

true

[alpine otter]

My big stepbrother liked the LotR elves I guess iirc

[cerulean wagon]

I think they are interesting, especially in 40k, but are written poorly

[alpine otter]

Eldar?

For sure

It´s all just ¨and then we lost¨

Like the fuck why would I pay for that
Im not masochistic myself.

[alpine ingot]

Eldar when handled correctly can be extremely good, but man do they fucking suffer when they are not handled well

[supple plume]

Yea Eldar should have a faction that is , We are the Mothafecking Eldar and we are here to STAY, reproduce and takeover this Universe, instead of ... we are withering and dying in a corner somewhere

[alpine otter]

Okay. Where are they handled well?

You know what? I don´t wanna know.

I´ll just get intrigued

I just recently started Gotrek and Felix and the first novel is being great so far

[alpine otter]

That´s the thing. Your gist is that you´re dying out and it´s irreparable, no?

[alpine ingot]

if Dilara was here she'd say the Dark Eldar book

[alpine otter]

Which, ironically... 😄

[cold parrot]

That's basically 40k Imperium too aint it

[alpine otter]

It´s 12 but I can afford to start at 9am so it´s k

[alpine ingot]

it's not the only good one, but like I said; my main consumption is Audio books and there are not a lot of Eldar stories on Audible

[alpine otter]

Mmmmm... it´s more of a ¨we made em hurt as much as we did¨ than ¨we just got absolutely curbstomped¨

I read the tl;dr of (one of) the last Ynnari books on 1d4chan and ...

If I paid for that I´d be really mad.

Oh! And then they cancelled the whole thing!!!

🤡

Fuck GW

[atomic pelican]

P much everything written by Gav is awful(Ynnari trilogy and Path of the Eldar)

[alpine ingot]

Gav... Gav Thorpe can really be hit or miss in his stories.

[atomic pelican]

Path of the Dark eldar is good

So is Masque of Vyle

Which is a harle book

[alpine otter]

I don´t even know the author but that´s such a disrespect to every Eldar fan and buyer of the book

It´s spitting in their face.

Gav Thorpe... I hear mixed shit about the dude

Was he the one who made that one god-awful Tyranid book?

[alpine otter]

Yeah loooking through my Google Books it´s a lot of Imperium stuff HAHHAHHA

But I found Brutal Kunnin and Infinite and the Divine

And all of the Gaunt books....

[alpine ingot]

Gav writes a lot of Eldar stories

[alpine otter]

Warrior Brood!!

No that´s the worst author C.S Goto I read like less than a page before I got terminally bored of that one. Thank goodness I got the extract

AHAHHAHAHA

[alpine otter]

Yaeh no wonder I dislike their arc then

Guy Haley, I like his stuff but he´s making me rebuy his sh*t for more Emperor fanboyism and just... no.

[alpine otter]

Noted

[alpine ingot]

he drones on a lot about how the Eldar are a "dying/ and or fading race" a lot, and good god does he make the Eldar look stupid and completely ignorant to anything involving the warp sometimes

[alpine otter]

also why does ¨fuck off feather face¨ sound so familiar?

[cold parrot]

Ah sorry I missed that you meant on a book-by-book basis
I meant the Imperium being in it's current state being a bad end.

[alpine otter]

Precisely.

[alpine otter]

Oh for sure!

[cold parrot]

Itsa Devil May Cry
edit: and Bayonetta, referencing DMC

[final spruce]

This party is just getting crazy

[alpine otter]

Thenn I don´t know it

Womp womp

I bought the remastered trilogy but I haven´t even began it, nor DMC5

[alpine otter]

Imperium is being bitchslapped like it´s Christmas morning and they´ll (GW) have to deus ex machina another Primarch out of the Warp.

[supple plume]

Where the F is ROGAL

[alpine otter]

I don´t even want to think about the Eldar

[alpine otter]

DEAD

[supple plume]

Presumably dead

[alpine otter]

Just makes me mad and not for dorf reasons

[spark relic]

Bring back our mega construction worker!

We need more fortressess

[supple plume]

We need the slayer of traitors

[alpine otter]

Peter Turbo > Dorn

[supple plume]

DORN DORN DORN

[cerulean wagon]

kinda. Imperium gets wins in their main themed books, the recent eldar specfic books had the loss of 2 craftworlds

[supple plume]

DORN >Pter Trbo

[alpine otter]

Sorry, who's alive and who cracked open the other's attempts at fortification?

Who managed to rein in Chaos Spehss Mehreens long enough to fuck up loyalists?

[supple plume]

yea asking the corrupt gods for power is a weak men move

[alpine otter]

And also the entire hope of Ynnari's concept, no?

and they didn't even cause any actual harm to their enemies!

It was just like "PSYCH!" and the Eldar lost everything already.

[supple plume]

if he truly was indominable he would have just said F you all, i gonna start my own stuff somewhere

[atomic pelican]

That and most imperial losses are painted as 'Oh but its actually a win'

[alpine otter]

He didn't really... That's the thing.

[supple plume]

but no he is petillant manchild

[alpine otter]

The Iron Warriors aren't Chaos-aligned

[atomic pelican]

They definitely are

[supple plume]

so says deamon primarch perty

[alpine otter]

I refuse the entire "DAEMON PRIMARCH" shit.

[supple plume]

i refuse dorn is dead nah

[alpine otter]

It's bullshit, it's not true, IT'S NAAHHHHHHTTT

[alpine ingot]

It might have cost us an entire sub-sector but we won!

[alpine otter]

You can refuse his death but not Terra's Siege and the Iron Cage

[spark relic]

Alright bring back Lion instead

[alpine otter]

Peter Turbo is my boy beacuse we both autismo

(this is still in the works I want to find out myself)

[supple plume]

Did you ever read the fine lines , that it was either the ironcage or civil war 2.0

[atomic pelican]

Chaos could destroy Terra and you'd have guard simps whining abt how Slaanesh cheated by being fast or something

And that it was actually a win

[wind flicker]

humanity being wiped out is a win

[atomic pelican]

It is

[wind flicker]

heres how:

[alpine otter]

I haven't even read that novel.

I can't get into 30k or I didn't, I haven't tried again

[wind flicker]

800 page rant about black templars

[alpine otter]

Khay-oss doesn't want them wiped out, no?

[wind flicker]

chaos wants humanity to heel

[spark relic]

Humanity provides nourishment to the lords of the warp

[alpine otter]

Yep

[wind flicker]

its kinda like vampires keeping a city

for food

[atomic pelican]

Succ realspace into the warp where they can bond forever

[supple plume]

well dorn didnt want the codex astartes, he wanted to go against it, but doing so was to betray Roboute

[alpine ingot]

Tau going "where is all the Guel'la?" then seeing the Ork empire being founded in place of the Imperium

[supple plume]

instead of splitting his son , he wanted to go in blaze of glory

he didnt care anymore

[alpine otter]

Didn't the Roman Spehss Mehreen Imperial Fist Duelist say "fuck you Dorn dad" and then went on to Crusade, predecessor of Black Templars?

Was that the whole issue?

[supple plume]

the only guy who ever went against Dorn and lived to tell the tale was a Death guard loyalist.

forgot his name

sigismund is the founder of the black templar

[atomic pelican]

go to crusade against heretics
encounters first black crusade
dies

[supple plume]

after roboute forced the Codex down their throats

[atomic pelican]

Sigismund destroyed

[supple plume]

Abbadon did him in

sadly

[atomic pelican]

I like to remind templar fans that their edge daddy got btfo'd by a pre-drachnyen abaddon with little dueling experience

[supple plume]

aye maybe so but deamon fueled none the less

[atomic pelican]

Not at that point

[supple plume]

also Sigismund was ancient at that point

[alpine otter]

Siggie! YEEEEE

[alpine otter]

That's because he has to live. I don´t like Abbadon I read Saturnine but still can´t get myself to like him

[shadow plover]

Out crusaded

[atomic pelican]

Literally

[alpine ingot]

Battle Captain Nathaniel Garro good sir and his blade that cuts all Libertas

[supple plume]

Garro

indeed

[solar sedge]

Garro my beloved

[alpine ingot]

Called Dorn a fucking idiot to his face

[supple plume]

and lived

why are the most badass char. traitor legions Loyalists

GArro

Barbaros dantioch

[alpine ingot]

Garviel Loken

[supple plume]

aaah you beat me too it

no emperors children though

[alpine ingot]

simple answer is they showed integrity when the rest of their legions chose to damn themselves, let us not forget Saul Tarvits

[supple plume]

mmmh oh wait

rylanor

RYLANOR

[alpine ingot]

Saul is the only reason the loyalist even had a chance

he was the one that gave Garro the warning and lead the loyalist of Istvan III in the defense that delayed the traitors for several months

[cerulean wagon]

@cold parrot Yeah, its fine tho thats the majority of the mainline books. Wider setting is awesome enough to make up for a few terrible books

[vapid tiger]

u should get into aos

[plush mason]

for shame. someone said Rylanor almost 2 hours ago and no one posted the song

[wind flicker]

Age of sugmar

[vapid tiger]

GOOD

[plush mason]

or suckmar depending on who you ask lol

[wind flicker]

Age of sigma

[rocky dune]

I want to get into Age of Sigmar, but there haven’t been any good games yet to get me into the setting, and the only faction that really appeals to me are the idoneth deepkin

[plush mason]

AOS seems to have shit when it comes to video games

[vapid tiger]

Yes

[wind flicker]

Just pretend dark tide is aos

[distant parcel]

It has that one VR game

[tawdry escarp]

I have come across a fanfic where, through the power of Warp Fuckerytm, a White Lion was transported to Dragon Age

[distant parcel]

I think I saw one once where harry potter got into the 40k universe

[tawdry escarp]

The one where he was an Inquisitor?

[distant parcel]

Dunno

Just thought the concept was silly and it stuck in my memory

[rose thorn]

Idk why I imagined a 40K ace attorney game and it’s just an inquisitor calling someone guilty then it rolls credits

[alpine ingot]

the spirit lock magatama he walks around with is just an Eldar spirit stone.

[brittle nebula]

No matter how many times I see this. It still gets a chuckle out of me.

[alpine otter]

Based

[balmy tusk]

Might re-read Glimmer Rats in preparation for Darktide, there are some similar narrative themes to 40k https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN598

An autocratic Europe feeds legions and legions of penal troopers into a horrific quantum hell-scape in the belief that maybe they'll luck out and close the portal to it

And nobody really knows what it is or how it functions until they get there

Reminds me a little bit of the Darktide™️ in Darktide™️

Notable because the art absolutely refuses to give a clear picture of how the "geists" even look inside the glimmer, people just die and get torn to shreds by something something something

And lots of people go insane

Wonder if Abnett read this at some point

[tawdry escarp]

Given that Abnett wrote for 2000AD it's a possibility

[dreamy ibex]

Glimmer Rats is an exceptional comic! Very 40k

[alpine otter]

A 40k Judge Judy TV show but all she does is blam people while they´re making their case, irregardless on whether they´re the convicts, witnesses, or whatever

[crisp heath]

A sitcom of the trailer ogryn, veteran, zealot and psyker living together

[alpine otter]

CONVICTS!

[lean jolt]

how much new lore is going into the game? Are there any any events in game that will be referenced outside of the game universe ? I.e book lore tie in?

[crisp heath]

There is plenty of lore i know that’s for sure

[wind flicker]

Luetins video covers a good bit

[lean jolt]

think ive read all of dan abnett's 40k stuff

[fierce pendant]

We know it's happening in Era Indomitus, so Cadia went boom, Rowboat is back with ultramarines

etc

Pretty much everything that happened recently

[storm jungle]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/31/the-beginning-of-the-end-is-nigh-the-final-siege-of-terra-story-is-revealed/

""Volume 1""

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[lunar notch]

You didn't really think that they'd let this story end with a single novel, did you?

[shadow plover]

dan abnett just couldn't help himself writing the fattest warhammer book so he just wrote two of them

[lunar notch]

two

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[shadow plover]

hell if it's more than that I'll take that as well

[lunar notch]

It's gonna be 2026 and we'll be on Volume 7 and GW will say there is three more currently planned with more on the way.

[vapid tiger]

there is only one solution

fhe extermination of all space marine fans

[spark relic]

"56 volumes in the works"

[vapid tiger]

and custodes fans after that shithead came here

[spark relic]

One release every year

[vapid tiger]

@storm jungle eject

operation

marine fan termination

[dry epoch]

Pls no.

[shadow plover]

me at my mirror when the time comes

[vapid tiger]

Only ork fans will live

[dry epoch]

I will quietly fight in Space Marine corner until my last breath.

[wind flicker]

You will fight alone

[dry epoch]

But I shall fight nonetheless.

[tawdry escarp]

He shall not be alone. His Battle-Brothers will stand with him!

[vapid tiger]

and then they'll get banned for racial slurs

[tawdry escarp]

I'm not a racist or an Imperial apologist. I just like super soldiers in power armor.

[vapid tiger]

join chaos

[tawdry escarp]

Ni

No

I don't do evil factions

[spark relic]

They're objectively in the right

Trust me

Ignore my name and pfp I swear I am not biased

[tawdry escarp]

Lies and false promises

I'm aware that the Imperium is by no means the good guys

[plush mason]

then why are you here in 40k? all factions are evil in this setting

[tawdry escarp]

But there are genuinely good and heroic people in the Imperium

[plush mason]

ofc

the overall faction is still evil as shit and thats whole point

[tawdry escarp]

The government is evil

[plush mason]

same thing

[tawdry escarp]

The people are by and large just trying to live

[plucky moth]

Tau gang rise up

Although a caste system is decidedly unbased

[tawdry escarp]

And you do have Guardsman, Inquisitors and even Space Marines who do what they can to save the people of the Imperium

I really wish there were independent human factions

[vapid tiger]

But the imperium is expressly evil too

[cerulean wagon]

there are

just main lore doesn't touch them

and it doesn't always go well

[vapid tiger]

I mean even the tau who are p totalitarian are better than the imperium

[cunning wigeon]

except for lizardmen

[vapid tiger]

Imperium is on par with nagash in aos

[tawdry escarp]

Yeah, GWs shit writing always makes them go Chaos

[vapid tiger]

And nagash is a literal cartoon villain

[cerulean wagon]

na theres a few that remain untainted like the Severan dominae

they just kinda get fucked by the universe at large

[plush mason]

well when your only other options is a genocidal totalitarian chattel slavery driven hellhole that is more likely to kill you all than forgive you the dark gods can seem a big better of a deal

[vapid tiger]

Yeah

And also most of them are literally slaves or at best serfs due to the punishing nature of the tithe and cultural degradation across the galaxy essentially encouraging every planet to be as shitty as possible

[cerulean wagon]

that and secession is responded too with force

[vapid tiger]

Literally what guilliman says in devastation of baal

[plush mason]

yup

the imperium is largely to blame for its own problems and the dark gods just reap the rewards of it

[cerulean wagon]

moebian isn't saying otherwise about the imperium btw, he never said they were the good guys

[plush mason]

oh i know

[vapid tiger]

Ya

[cerulean wagon]

but theres a difference between "garbage leadership" and "joining chaos"

chaos are just, comedically evil

[vapid tiger]

chaos is worse but imperial citizens have a valid reason to join up

[plush mason]

which is sad in so many ways when you think about it

[cerulean wagon]

then wat was the point of this entire argument

[tawdry escarp]

I was just saying I like Space Marines for their aesthetic

[plush mason]

i think we have already left the argument and are now just pointing out the sad parts of the imperium in general lol

[tawdry escarp]

Not Imperial ideology

[plush mason]

yeah the imperium looks badass

[vapid tiger]

ya

although tbf the people who worship the aesthetic irl are fucking

weirdos

[plush mason]

barring the comical shit like the lord's outfits

[vapid tiger]

Like those guys who reacted to the military cathedral in russia with "THE WEST SHOULD DO THIS SO THAT WE PRESERVE OUR HERITAGE AGAINST THE (((EVIL MARXISTS)))"

[tawdry escarp]

Knights have been one of my favorite things since I was a kid

[vapid tiger]

"ALSO WARHAMMER BASED BASED BASED !!!"

[plush mason]

i hate those idiots so so much

[tawdry escarp]

So anything with armored warriors I like

[vapid tiger]

what about

smor wors

[tawdry escarp]

I...like Mandalorians?

[plush mason]

like i love the sisters of battle. but good fucking lord are some of their vehicles just beyond stupid even for 40k

[crisp heath]

Pipe Organ artillery comes to mind

[vapid tiger]

Neat

[plush mason]

ugh that one

[vapid tiger]

what about stormcasts

[tawdry escarp]

I haven't looked much into them, but what I have seen I like

[crisp heath]

Stormcasts what’s that?

[vapid tiger]

Good

[plush mason]

age of sigmar

[crisp heath]

Oh

[vapid tiger]

The marine equivalents in aos

who are better written imo

[tawdry escarp]

Stormcast Eternals

[plush mason]

sigmar's golden boys and girls

[tawdry escarp]

I kinda like the thing about them losing memories when they come back from dying

[crisp heath]

They also become skeletons in armor at some point

[plush mason]

yeah each reforging takes more and more of them iirc

[tawdry escarp]

That giving everything for a cause you believe in is an ideal I support

Martyrdom

Heroic sacrifice

That sort of thing

[plush mason]

i agree but only when said cause is worthy of martyrdom. the cause of the imperium in 40k is not one worthy of anything

[tawdry escarp]

I agree

[plush mason]

which just makes all the heroics of the people of the imperium just ring so hollow and pointless

[cerulean wagon]

only if you look at it on a wider perspective, its the personal stories that make 40k fun

[tawdry escarp]

The people are worth it, but the beaurocracy and corruption isn't

[plush mason]

its why i just like the nids over all the other factions lol

they arent so much evil just an uncaring force of nature

[tawdry escarp]

Gotta work, talk more later

[plush mason]

cya

[vapid tiger]

Night lords trilogy good

[cerulean wagon]

ew

[plush mason]

yeah. and even with the crap in the wider setting there isnt a single faction in 40k i dont like at least some lol

[vapid tiger]

do you not like adb

[plush mason]

is that where they invent over 100 new war crimes in a single campaign?

[cerulean wagon]

the man decided to shit talk the ciaphas cain books instead of admit that GW retconned the timeskip in 9e

i have a very low opinion of him, and his writting is only liked because its the only books CSM players get

[plush mason]

adb?

[mortal lance]

Aaron Dembski-Bowden

[cerulean wagon]

aaron dambski bowen or w/e his name is

[wind flicker]

u dont have tons of wax and skulls everywhere?

[vapid tiger]

Yes and it is CHARACTER DRIVEN

which is why it is good because it has GOOD CHARACTERS who are fucking horrible people

[tawdry escarp]

So Stormcasts have a built in respawn mechanic? Gaem about them when?

Although to make it lore accurate, you'd have to lose a level every time you die

[plush mason]

there was one. called stormgrounds. but it was horrid and has been completely abandoned

[tawdry escarp]

It's slow at work

[barren tapir]

Better than it being a clusterfuck

[vapid tiger]

There are ways around it ofc

Certain monsters and spells can prevent stormcasts from respawning

[tawdry escarp]

Like the Darkness Zones in Destiny

[vapid tiger]

Examples: being killed by a ghost that sucks your soul into its lantern prison

being prevented from respawning by a massive area spell cast by chaos that makes your soul be eaten by chaos gods upon death

Being killed by korgos khul and being sucked into the warp as a result of his magical axe

Being killed by nagash directly, who WILL have your soul if he does so sigmar be damned

Dying in the realm of chaos

Being killed by a certain ogre tribe that figured out how to eat stormcast souls as they fly out of their corpses

etc

[tawdry escarp]

Soul magic is generally op

[alpine ingot]

Wait ADB didn't like the Cain books? Never heard about that.

[rose thorn]

I hope the rainbow warriors get more lore

No real reason

[nocturne jetty]

Psykers gonna be fun?

[tawdry escarp]

I hope so

[nocturne jetty]

Telekinesis->Pyrokinesis->Elctro Kinesis->Frost Kinesis.

Hmmmm

[spark relic]

Fire? I prefer throwing a storm cloud at you

Lightning magic ftw

[wind flicker]

psyker is fun yes

[barren tapir]

Why is this in lore chat?

[spark relic]

They started the convo in the wrong chat and no one told them to move

[tawdry escarp]

Psykers are part of the lore

[spark relic]

Yeah, but the question implies they meant the psyker class in the game

[nocturne jetty]

Veteran, Psyker, Ogryn and Zealot that's all?

[spark relic]

yeah

those are the classes

[nocturne jetty]

Hopefully no Eldar Classes Dlc

[spark relic]

We're humans fighting for the very xenophobic imperium so no

I don't think so

[nocturne jetty]

Ogryn are Inqusition tho?

[spark relic]

No they're meat shields

[nocturne jetty]

Lol

[barren tapir]

We are not inquisition, we are criminals that are being sent on missions by the inquisition

[nocturne jetty]

.

[old trench]

So we're basically glorified PDF

[barren tapir]

Even lower

[spark relic]

Penal legion basically

[old trench]

Damn, we suck lol

[nocturne jetty]

So in Darktide we fight later on even Eldars?

[spark relic]

no

[old trench]

Why would we fight Eldar?

[nocturne jetty]

Or just Nurglings

.

[old trench]

Eldar are just as opposed to Nurgle and Chaos as we are

That being said, I wouldn't find it too surprising if we found a Plaguemarine or a Death Guard as a late game boss

[spark relic]

Nurgle worshippers and daemons are our enemies

[nocturne jetty]

Sounds Strong

[barren tapir]

I mean, we are literally an extreme and desperate measure, were are criminals that are given a chance to extend our lives or die trying

[nocturne jetty]

How will be the game 50% Range 50% Melee?

Or More Ranged

[cerulean wagon]

50/50

[nocturne jetty]

I wanna see a Special Disabling a Ogryn lmao

[old trench]

I wanna see some team be three Ogryns and one Veteran who's cosplaying as the commissar

[nocturne jetty]

Wait there can be 3 Ogryns?

Or 2 Psykers

[barren tapir]

Yes, there can be more char of the same class

[old trench]

Yeah, IIRC teams aren't class-locked, so you can run with 4 vets or 2 vets and 2 priests, etc

[wind flicker]

4 of same class

[nocturne jetty]

Are Zealots Powerfull?

They seem like Strikers

[cerulean wagon]

uhhh

define powerful?

[barren tapir]

They seems to like to scream a lot for what i saw

[nocturne jetty]

They got Guns too

[spark relic]

What's a striker?

[old trench]

Hell if I know

[nocturne jetty]

Close Combat

Meleeing

[spark relic]

Everyone is

Everyone does melee

[nocturne jetty]

I hope there are many Ranged Enemies

[old trench]

I hope we get bayonets on our lasguns

[cerulean wagon]

go watch some gameplay

it'll answer a lot of these

[nocturne jetty]

Intresting

[old trench]

I did but it was at 3am last night so I barely remembered Darktide even existing until I woke up in the afternoon and saw the shiny new discord icon

[wind flicker]

zealot goes bonk

[old trench]

I won't be caught dead playing anything except veteran

[nocturne jetty]

Ah

It's gonna be the Similar Mechanic the Psyker like Vermintide 2

Probably

[wind flicker]

yeah its similar

[nocturne jetty]

Are there Talents too?

[wind flicker]

pop to #theorycrafting tho this is for lore

[alpine otter]

"extend our lives"

I am quite sure if the PCs survive they just get thrown back in in a more dangerous and or higher priority zone

which is also the gameplay loop, no?

[barren tapir]

Yes

[alpine otter]

hence the parents-eses

(I know, thats the bad joke)

[barren tapir]

One that flew over my head... But there is a reason for that too

[alpine otter]

What is it

[barren tapir]

I'm short

😉

[alpine otter]

Oh. How short is "short"

[rose thorn]

hey uh

is there a reason this looks like necron tech

a gauss reaper specifically

[barren tapir]

It is a graviton weapon iirc

[rose thorn]

oh okay

[barren tapir]

It seems a recurring pattern, if it is something hard to explain make it green...
Orks are green and no one really know how they work
Necron tech is so advanced that no one know how to explain it
Old human tech that no one know how to explain is green too

[barren tapir]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/6/66/DevastatorSquad7th.jpg

Feel the ZAAAAAPP

[plush mason]

more like. haha hope you enjoy being 30 tons now

at least thats how i always interoperated how they work

[deep skiff]

it's just one more gun you don't want to be shot by

boltgun ok instant dead

[hushed kayak]

can someone explain why ||Fabius Bile exchange clonegrim for a pure geneseed? When a perfect clone is right in front of you?||

[plush mason]

||iirc its cause clonegrim was trying to boss him around and bile wanted him gone||

[hushed kayak]

any idea what book/trilogy the story is from?

[plush mason]

nope sorry its just what the lore video i watched on bile said

[hushed kayak]

[rose thorn]

||so gw wouldn’t have to make a 40K fulgrim model||

||clonegrim what ever same thing||

[atomic pelican]

Fulgrim is p much guaranteed to be the big 10e Chaos cult marine release

[rose thorn]

YEEEEE

[atomic pelican]

EC already even function like cult marines in some ways

[rose thorn]

Except with out the uh

Everything that makes cult marines cool

[atomic pelican]

P much

[hushed kayak]

[atomic pelican]

No own codex

Theyre in the exact same state WE are rn

But WE are coming first

[hushed kayak]

seeing how the next edition is releasing soon. I would hope so

[rose thorn]

I wonder how they are make EC become a threat in the Lore

‘Fulgrim you fucker’

[atomic pelican]

Not too soon + a new ed still could mean a year or two for EC

[rose thorn]

‘FUCK YOU GULLIMAN! MWHAHAHAHHAHAHAH’

And that’s how the 4th ‘Gulliman beats the shit out of a chaos primarch’ book will go

[hushed kayak]

well after putting gulliman in stasis i would think “watch me do it again”

[rose thorn]

What if they just suddenly reveal Ferrus manus- actually him being dead is the only reason iron hands are interesting

Idk I’m trying to think of the most random primarch to reveal

[hushed kayak]

i uh, doubt that

[rose thorn]

You say that but we had like 3 characters had their head removed and put back on

[woven sandal]

Khan vs Perturabo fight

[rose thorn]

And only one of them is an ork

[hushed kayak]

Ghazghkull can suck it

[rose thorn]

Eidolon

Abbadon I think

[hushed kayak]

Plus the most probable primarchs is Lion, or the Khan. I would say Dorn, but that is

[plush mason]

like they did retcon dorn's death to only being implied and not proven so

so he is still possible but not very likely

[hushed kayak]

that’s why i thought to myself it’s unlikely

[atomic pelican]

The core rulebook doesnt really have any lore

Its just core rules

[rose thorn]

New lore

It’s mostly summaries of the factions

Specifically of the lore you are intertwined

Interested in

Even then

90% of it is copy and pasted

[rose thorn]

Codex

[rose thorn]

No I meant the codexes are just oldnlore from the older codex’s copy and pasted

They haven’t been making new lore in the codexes really At all

[vapid tiger]

Correct

Not 40k related but

https://youtu.be/g3EWpaIgREY

Love how one of his lines is "I AM THE WARHAMMER"

[wind flicker]

achaon is the warhammer 40 thousand...

[vapid tiger]

Warhammer 40k is NOT CANON

It exists in a CRYSTAL BALL 🔮

IN THE MAGE'S COLLEGES OF FANTASY AND AOS

[outer apex]

hello, i was wondering something about the 40k universe
something about space marines actually, it is known that some specific space marines can hold a standard in the battle, for the ultramarines is the banner of Macragge, what happens if the banner would fall down?
i remember this being something in the movie "Ultramarines: A Warhammer 40,000 Movie" (director martyn pick, write, dan abnett.)
where when was about to fall, space marines would did everything in their power in order to not make it fall down.
what would be the consequences if it would fall down? i guess it will be disrespectful but i wonder if there's more
for example space marines being banished

[vapid tiger]

If they drop the banner I suppose it would be considered dishonorable and a punishment would be in order

Like irl banner bearers ye olde times

[outer apex]

so i guess something similar like battle of sisters?
becoming sister of repentia because they did something dishonorable

and for space marines as well something similar
dunno

[spark relic]

Yeah the Sisters of Battle, The Guard and the Space Marines (to name a few) all have standards that they bring into battle

They are used as rallying points mostly

And where the banner is, the leader usually isn't far off in case you're looking for orders

It's also their memory of earlier battles so it dropping would be to disgrace the entire chapter/regiment

[barren tapir]

At least for those that follow such traditions

Catachans laugh at them

[spark relic]

they have earned more respect through their actions but no, not really

[spark relic]

There ain't no flags in the jungle!

When you're more respected and known because of your actions and deeds people usually listen to you

They do

[fierce pendant]

They inform one another by reflecting the light from flashlight off of their abs

[spark relic]

probably not but I think everyone has access to them

[spark relic]

Or by making wooshing noises while swinging their massive knives around

very big

it's a meme

Knives like swords because jungle people need big machete

[barren tapir]

Nah, more a gameplay balance reason, because in lore catachans don't even use much medals, and the few they might have are actively hidden with dirt

[spark relic]

Big knife

[barren tapir]

Yeah, medals, shiny little piece of metals

[cerulean wagon]

yes

[alpine ingot]

Isn't it catachan lore that the shape and length of the blade is a symbol of their achievements? Or is my memory getting messed with by memes.

[barren tapir]

Memes

[alpine ingot]

Figured

I can remember a lot of things, and sometimes memes get lodged in with facts so I am always hesitant to go "oh yeah this is totally a thing" lol

[spark relic]

I mean all memes are totally canon

So that's surely correct

[alpine ingot]

That is totally a Alpha Legion tactic. Meme something enough and it gets ingrained in people's head as the truth. Hydra Dominatus 101

On a more serious point: I love how much spiteful pride and respect Dorn and Perturabo have for one another during the siege.

They hate one another but will not allow anyone to talk shit about the other or call them anything less then brilliant.

[spark relic]

Yeah, it's like "Only I get to talk shit about my brother!"

[alpine ingot]

It was Iron and Stone where Perturabo shamed one of captains in front of his men and the surviving fists because said captain did nothing but talk shit about the fist fortification placements. Perturabo told all of his captains present that it was clear that not a single one of them could do what Dorn's sons were doing. And the only reason they fell back was because he ordered them to so he could give this lesson to his Iron warrior's

[shadow plover]

Peter Turbo really be one of the greatest primarchs

[spark relic]

He sucks at so many things and yet somehow he's also great at those same things

[alpine ingot]

It's a good "what if?" Question to ask what might have happened if Perturabo didn't have so many things and people fucking with his head, if he and Dorn would have fought the siege as allies rather than as enemies what could have happened?

Because Iron Warriors are way more interesting then the Iron Hands ever where

[barren tapir]

If Perturabo ever got the recognition he deserved there were no way that the imperial palace would have fallen... He was the only reason the imperial palace fell, since not a single traitor primarch was doing anything useful

[tired umbra]

Peter Turbo would probably be the greatest primarch of them all if he wasn't such a pissy manchild.

[shadow plover]

true

[spark relic]

If Dorn and Turbo had been on the same side it would have been over in mere hours

If it had even started in the first place

[alpine otter]

Peter Turbo is... complicated.

He made his own life miserable for recognition and when he didn't constantly get it he threw a traitorous hissy fit.

I relate to being misunderstood, used and abused, etc. and falling into a deep pit, but his daddy literally recognized him as the thing he was. The Lord of Iron.

Fucking idiot just decided to really iron it.

In any case the decimation changed his legion from what he was, bull-headed to the point of stupidity, into one of the most flexible and creative Legions.

It´s just sad that he didn´t change along with his own Legion.

[barren tapir]

Ah, i was expecting for you to say relatable

[alpine otter]

Here you are

I started therapy and she says I´m not autistic but yeah man I get Pert. No excuses for the shit he did, as he could´ve done better, but...

[barren tapir]

I mean, if she is with old terminology you might be Aspie for her

[alpine otter]

Not even Assburgers, no.

Even though other people think I am autistic and or high functioning

Wait why do YOU think I´m autistic or were you joking

[barren tapir]

Did i said that? I know that some people don't see Aspie people as autistic, and went with that

[alpine otter]

Nah no offended or anything just curious haha

[alpine otter]

Cause everyone jokes that Peter Turbo has The AutismTM, soooo I went with that

[barren tapir]

Doesn't he? 😏

[alpine otter]

I dunno, does he 😎

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thinking-in-thought-rotate-gif-8083088

Well, from what i saw here i for sure can say that if he is, then he isn't alone... Not that i think it would make him feel better probably... But hey, maybe he can find someone else that love Leonardo da Vinci work too

[alpine otter]

Honestly, the same's said about the Lion

so it's all just bullshit

[barren tapir]

I mean, both can be, just on different spots on the spectrum, which is quite wide

[alpine otter]

Maybe maybe maybe

[signal hill]

People who we're conveived in a Tube, genetic manipulated bayond everything the human ever should have been and infused the one of the most sinister supernatural Powers in fiction beeing mentally not sound? Who would have thought

[karmic gulch]

And all based off the work of a single madman who's literally a walking breathing living god

(or was)

[dry epoch]

So caught up in the fact he COULD do it that he never truly stopped to consider if he SHOULD.

I mean, it all worked out well in the end, right? RIGHT?

[barren tapir]

Definitely not how he intended it to end though

[spark relic]

Yeah, I also don't think his intention was to get slain by his favourite son

Bit of a miscalculation

[dry epoch]

Maybe it was. Can't you just see him pondering their pictures and going 'well, if one of them has GOT to go for me, I'd rather it was Horus than Boring Ol' Roboute.'

[barren tapir]

Nah, he had other plans, also he didn't foresaw angron getting the nails, and it was something that not even him was capable to fix... He was capable of removing them, but not without ruining angron

Things clearly didn't went exactly how he expected, and tbh, such was only his fault that went for something long in the future instead of reasoning with stuff he had in the present

Not going with Erda plan was probably the start of all the shit

[signal hill]

I second that it went not as planned
The second His sons we're thrown out into the Galaxy ,whatever it was, at that point His plan went to shit

[rose thorn]

Think kroot will get their own codex?

I know they were originally gonna get one

But they scrapped it

But,, I think a faction based around hunting tactics, eating dead opponents to gain buffs, and stuff like that would be super cool

And then idk give Tau and kroot that 25% ally rule

Like The demon CSM soup rule

[alpine otter]

I once read that they're quite like the mythological gods of old.

Very, very, very powerful but heavily flawed, mercurial and pretentious, feeding on glory and attention

[alpine otter]

Xenos getting any attention?

Ha ha

[rose thorn]

Oh shit you are right, we need to get the kroot to revive a primarch then they will gets a Codex

[alpine otter]

And don't forget, they'll quickly be beaten down and forgotten about so focus can be switched tooooo... you guessed it!!!

The primarch!

[rose thorn]

I’ll say it again

Ynnari, more like ynno more lori

[alpine otter]

Sorry I don´t get that pls explain I dummy :3

[rose thorn]

Ynnari the eldar who revived Gulliman

[alpine otter]

That I get

ynno sounds like y´know

[rose thorn]

They haven’t gotten new lore since

Even in the new codex💀

[alpine otter]

Since basically being obliterated by Slaaneshi demons for a pyrrhic victory, only to be told ¨psych that was just my shadow or some shit¨ by the big baddie?

😄

What further lore should there be HAHAHAHAHA

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[alpine otter]

I read the 1d4chan entries cause the Ynnari were such a great idea imo

but then I read that and was like :c

[alpine otter]

Do I sound salty?

[final spruce]

At best they might get an army of renown but no, too little to make them a stand-alone army

[rose thorn]

Yeah, but they have 7 units currently and are about to get another

[final spruce]

Yeah but if you look at those units they aren’t well spread enough to make an actual army when it comes to roles

[rose thorn]

A good one

They have hq, troops, elites, fast attack, and Greta support

The literal bear minimum

[rose thorn]

Good army, hell no, but barely enoguh for an army

And they have a named character, and about to get the KT squad

[alpine otter]

after the whole shtick of re-releasing Plague Wars and the Siege of Baal, I´m done with giving Black Library such an exorbitant amount of money per book.

[alpine otter]

Im sorry I can't hold it in
It's bare minimum

[cerulean wagon]

Don't advertise pirating in a public discord

[alpine otter]

fine then add me as a friend if you (wish and) didn't see the site

[alpine otter]

Can you guys actually get in trouble for that?

[cerulean wagon]

yes, its illegal?

unsurprisingly illegal things are not allowed

[tiny raven]

[alpine otter]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-that-is-fair-chris-farley-enough-okay-gif-12224131

[rose thorn]

Thank you

[alpine ingot]

I still find it funny how Erda's plan to save her sons caused 6-8 of them to either be lost or be seriously harmed in some way.

[alpine otter]

Enlighten me please, I know jackshit about Erda and that part of the lore

[alpine ingot]

She scattered the primarchs.

[alpine otter]

Oh. That? Just that?

I mean sure it could've caused a cascade that lead to that but

[tiny raven]

maybe some coulda landed on better planets who knows

[alpine otter]

cough Baal, Morty´s shithole, Auceria or something...
Yeah pretty shitty

[alpine ingot]

Things for sure would have been different. But Curze could have gotten help a lot sooner, Angron would never had gotten the butchers nails, Mortarion would never have landed on Barburous, Lorgar might have been less faith crazy, Ferus would not have gotten his metal arms...

[alpine otter]

Angron´s story is the saddest shit ever

[alpine ingot]

The scattering was an unexpected boon for Dorn, Guilliman, the Khan, Russ, Sanguinius, and maybe the lion and Vulcan.

[alpine otter]

The Lion literally was forced to survive alone for a long time in Chaos-monster infested woods afaik

No wonder the dude developed autistic qualities - you either overcome loneliness through a trial of fire or you go cuckoo

[alpine ingot]

Lion is just built different

[alpine otter]

Speaking of, which books are about him?

He has no Primarch novel afaik

[spark relic]

it's the 13th book in the series

[alpine otter]

Yoooo

[alpine otter]

Bless your heart

[spark relic]

It's on amazon if you're looking to get it

[alpine otter]

🙂 thanks

[spark relic]

https://tenor.com/view/thumb-up-thumb-up-eating-thumb-up-moment-gif-18075118

[rose thorn]

Hey what do the dark angel’s black pearls look like?

I want to make my MoE collect them from the DA he kills

[plush mason]

black pearls?

[rose thorn]

The things DAs get from making fallen like

Admit and confess

[barren tapir]

The rosarius that chaplain-interrogators have?

[rose thorn]

YEAH

‘For every fallen that repents they may add a black pearl to their Rosarius in honour of this achievement’

[plush mason]

lexican doesnt have any info on what they look like

[rose thorn]

Damn

[plush mason]

but if the name is literal then they would look like black pearls

[rose thorn]

Yeah but when was the last time GW names made sense

[plush mason]

and given a rosarius is a string of prayer beads a few black ones would fit right in

something like this but just solid black would be your best choice i think given the lack of any info on their actual look

[rose thorn]

Ight!!

Thank you

[barren tapir]

There is an image of an interrogator-chaplain, and on the right we can see what it seems a rosarius, but it is not very detailed

[plush mason]

yeah

[rose thorn]

This is the closest I can find I think

[plush mason]

that works

just little black beads

[rose thorn]

Ye I’ll porbably get uh

[plush mason]

you can find black beads like that at any party/costume store

[rose thorn]

I don’t want them to be too big

[plush mason]

my local party store has them in all manner of sizes

plus if the cosplay is a true to canon sized one they will need to be bigger to fit with the scale of the rest of the suit

[rose thorn]

It’s for a model lmao

[barren tapir]

LMAO

But hey, his suggestions were good for a cosplay too, so lets not be too hard

[rose thorn]

I just want my master of execution to collect black pearls

[rose thorn]

Lol

[plush mason]

lmao

[alpine otter]

that's racist they're pearls just like everyone else's

color isn't important uffff

[plush mason]

lmao

[frail rune]

What are some examples of Drugs in the Imperium ?

[final spruce]

Combat or just average ?

Because there is a lot but the most common one is the lho-stick which relaxes people

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Narcotics

[rose thorn]

That’s how the uh,, salvar chem dogs are still alive, they pump themselves full of drugs and fight chaos

[snow fern]

I mean being drunk/high off your ass in order to ignore the horrors of chaos is certainly a good idea in theory

[plush mason]

just like it is irl lol

[tawdry escarp]

What's that one that Abnett puts in his books?

[proper helm]

Obscura? It's basically opium

[crisp heath]

like real life, much better to drown the problems that face them on 😄

[frail rune]

Indeed, hence why they are one of my favorite regiments due to how unique they are compared to others.

[vale atlas]

https://youtu.be/ywBNhY-3_eM

[barren tapir]

Meh, majorkill, the one that called the brotherhood a civilization lel...

[tired umbra]

No idea but that looks rad as shit.

[shadow plover]

it's a Ta'unar

[brittle nebula]

I didn't realize the Tau mechs could be that big!

[dusk skiff]

I was wondering, if the eldar reincarnate are they also capable of giving birth to new souls? Or since they were created iirc have they always had a fixed number in their species? Anyone know

[signal hill]

Probably not GW lol

[spark relic]

We know that the Dark Eldar have given birth to actual children on occasion, though it is exceptionally rare

[lunar notch]

Yes

To the first question.

[barren tapir]

Since souls are nothing more than a connection yes, each time a new eldar is born a new soul is also created, the difference in times past was that eldar had such willpower than they were capable to reincarnate into a new body instead of being dispersed in the warp, even human shamans were capable to reincarnate when the warp was less turbolent

[final spruce]

Being a True Born is more of a nobility thing amongst Drukhari since their society is full of backstabbing, its creating the most fragile creature and saying : yeah the child can easily be killed but you’d be dealing with me.

[frail rune]

Even IF said Drukhari child gets killed he would simply be re-constructed since they can do that if a small chunk of a dead Drukhari remains

[final spruce]

Yes but they’d be losing their Trueborn priviledge in Drukhari society

[spark relic]

I mean yeah

But at least they'll have wings

That's always a plus

[cerulean wagon]

They only get wings if they are reconstructed as scourges

which are cool and have a neat role in deldar society

[spark relic]

Ah right, ok

I only know the true born from Talon of Horus and Black Legion

That one had wings so I incorrectly assumed all of them did

Learn something new every day

[cerulean wagon]

no thats just ADB not knowing lore beyond marines

[spark relic]

Wait really? Lmao okay

[cerulean wagon]

ye i don't rate ADB very high

i hear good things about BL and ToH tho, but idk if its like

they are genuinly good or its the best chaos have had in a long while

[spark relic]

They're really good but as you say there haven't been many chaos books in some time

So it's hard to compare them to something modern

Because there aren't really any

[cerulean wagon]

yup

But ye effectivley scourges are unique in that they almost sit above arhcons in deldar society

they are one of the few groups who without a doubt you can trust to do the job assigned to them without betraying you, as they are the messengers of deldar society this is incredibly important

nobody fucks with scourges without good reason, its seen as taboo even if i remember correctly?

[storm jungle]

Yeah only Vect can murder one and get away with it for the most part

[cerulean wagon]

also like, deldar should flat not be in the eye of terror

[storm jungle]

they arent untouchable per say

[cerulean wagon]

shes only in the books so ADB can be horny on main

[storm jungle]

more just "dont shoot the messenger"

[spark relic]

"Don't kill the messenger or the messenger will kill you"

[cerulean wagon]

because no eldar, dark eldar or otherwise, would work willingly with chaos, especially not as close as they do in those books

[spark relic]

Isn't her loyalty explained in some form of vague blood ritual or mind control or the fact that Khayon is keeping her alive through pure psychic will?

Whatever it is, it's kinda dumb

[cerulean wagon]

so khayon is powerful enough to hold back the attention of one of the chaos gods while directly within the eye of terror

[spark relic]

More like he's keeping her blood pumping because her heart was ripped out

[cerulean wagon]

her soul would also be ripped out

shes an eldar in the eye of terror in the heart of chaos territory

slaanesh's hunger would effectivley obliterate her almost immediatly

[spark relic]

Conclusion: ADB is being horny on main

[cerulean wagon]

yes

[spark relic]

And damn the consequences

[rose thorn]

i love that you can use the Elucidian Starstriders in any imperium army, especially knights! i love the idea of knights hiring out some rogue traders to do objectives while the knights go do fun knight murder shit

[shadow plover]

it's pretty well explained in Talon, not that outrageous at all really

[spark relic]

I'm sure it is, but I can't recall it because I read it a long time ago

[tiny raven]

leagues of Swole

[woven sandal]

Leagues of Swoletan

[tiny raven]

[dry epoch]

This, though. Although in my head Fulgrim is more androgynous. But this is a beautiful bit of work.

[turbid flower]

id always imagine Henry cavill would do a good emperor

[cerulean wagon]

na cavil as horus

[dry epoch]

Nah, as Sanguinius.

[cerulean wagon]

na i wanna see him go from everyones favourite to a strange bald monster

[dry epoch]

I mean

I still would

[vapid tiger]

Emperor isn't white tho

[sudden kelp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/g00tw5/behold_the_true_emperor/

[spark zenith]

Fuck it, Henry Cavill as all of the primarchs

[hollow shell]

Dolph Lundgren as Rogal Dorn

Bruce Willis as Lorgar, and Russell Crowe as Lion El'Johnson

Of course, they're all too old now

[hushed kayak]

i always seen henry cavil as Lion El’ Johnson

[tiny raven]

danny devito for everyone, as everyone, forever

[rose thorn]

Eldar question time, what are Phoenix lords? Do they like hold any political power

In eldar society

Or is it only in battle

I really like Baharroth lmao

[atomic pelican]

They dont have any real political power but their word is HIGHLY respected. They kind of just show up from the webway in times of need. Legendary heroes and founders of the shrines

Sometimes they even find themselves fighting eachother in inter-craftworld conflicts

[rose thorn]

OHHHHHH, okay so it’s literally just like when named demons canonically appear in battle

[atomic pelican]

Pretty much

In the assault on Alaitoc, Karandras just appeared and began cutting down marines

[rose thorn]

Lmao based

I love Baharroth’s medieval looking helmet

And his giant feather

[rose thorn]

Huh, is it just me or does the idea of Phoenix lords sound like OC bait

I mean all of 40K is of bait

Oc*

[atomic pelican]

One would imagine, but their nature is kinda antithetical to OC bait I think?

A phoenix lord is ultimately the conglomeration of 100s, if not 1000s, of eldar personalities dominated by one set of shrine-qualities

They are in essence, mega Exarchs

[rose thorn]

Ahhhh

[atomic pelican]

For example, Baharroth retains his original ideals and such as the first body. Prime Bahablast, if you would. But that body is long dead and he has merged with 100s of eldar souls at this point

Thats why PLs are literally unkillable

They respawn

[rose thorn]

Wow

THATS cool

Xenos immortality is always 1000 tiems cooler then imperial immortality

[tired umbra]

The sad thing is that all the unkillable characters get used for bolter fodder BECAUSE they can come back.

The Avatar of Khaine is the prime example of that.

[tiny raven]

[plush mason]

lol

[woven sandal]

Which is more pathetic? Lucius the Eternal or the Avatar of Khaine? I think it's Lucius because in lore Lucius's special boy power is being brought back from dying after getting fucked up. At least Avatars of Khaine are only jobbers outside of lore.

[dry epoch]

OMG I hate Lucius so much I can't even

[vapid tiger]

make space marines unkillable so that they become fodder

[spark relic]

To be fair, the Lamenters are already fodder

So we have that

[wind flicker]

shoot the space marines into space

their natural habitat

[spark relic]

Adding new marine life to the ocean of stars

[tender igloo]

new mike brooks novel. neat

[spark relic]

I have heard nothing of this, where did you acquire this picture?

If I may ask

[storm jungle]

I gave it to Terror in a dream

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/07/commander-shadowsun-the-alpha-legion-and-the-flesh-tearers-star-in-epic-new-black-library-novels/

also its from here

[shadow plover]

Is Renegades a new series of books

[spark relic]

Ah well, Dreams (Warhammer Community) can be fickle and helpful in equal measure

You never quite know what your mind (James Workshop) will conjure

[west pelican]

do titans in warhammer lore have a protection against literally destroying 1 leg making them useless garbage

[spark relic]

They can still fight even if they only have one leg

They'll just have trouble moving

But if you want an example of this admittedly big weakness, let me introduce you to the Ember Wolves

A titan legion outfitted with massive harpoons so they can tip larger titans over

[plush mason]

lol

[spark relic]

Oh yeah, and they're 100% Warhounds

No other classes

Like 10 of them did this to an Imperator titan

It's very silly

[west pelican]

just spam rockets at it

cheaper

[spark relic]

Sure but

TITAN SIZED HARPOONS

[west pelican]

orks engineering is genius

put more guns profit

[spark relic]

Big ass harpoon because it was laying around or something

I suppose the World Eaters had some left over after putting them on their space ships

[cerulean wagon]

can't wait for the titan movement shooter where you use it as a grappling hook

[spark relic]

Lmao yes this is what we need

Take notes GW

[shadow plover]

you should read the latest siege of terra book then

ain't saying more

[vapid tiger]

I refuse to read your hh schlock

instead we shall initiate the execution of all 40k fans

via electric chair

[shadow plover]

keep dreaming

also my suggestion was based on the earlier grappling hook convo

[spark relic]

Yeah I know what you're referring to, though I haven't read the book yet I've still heard of that particular event

[vapid tiger]

aos better

only darktide can redeem 40k for me

[spark relic]

How can 40k have been so ruined for you?

I just want to know what caused this hate

[vapid tiger]

it's so fucking boring and after you finally reach a point of shutting up about 40k you realize just how pointless your obsession was when the other setting handles a lot of the same shit in a better way

when you're not dealing with inconsistency and fucking shit rules you start to see how things could improve

and you become resentful that the thing you love won't

so let it burn

start over from scratch

[wind flicker]

Emp kinda needs to die for the narrative to be reinvigorated

But they wont do that so its forced to be stale forever

[spark relic]

Yeah sure, the rules could be better and things might need to change but I wouldn't call it ruined because of a few mistakes made 10 or 20 years ago

[barren tapir]

They actually hinted at Big E rising from the throne

[vapid tiger]

I'm not talking about 10 to 20 year old mistakes I'm talking mistakes across the board

[wind flicker]

Rises and stubs his toe

[spark relic]

That would have been an Old World level end and reset for the setting

[vapid tiger]

And then I'll be out unless they handled it really really well which I doubt

[shadow plover]

too bad a scifi-fantasy setting will always be infinitely more interesting than a fantasy setting for me

[barren tapir]

He can break his neck falling down the stairs to its golden WC for all i care, but him rising would change the setting a bit

[wind flicker]

Big emp conjoins with void dragon to become genghis khan 3

White scars rise again

[barren tapir]

You know that gengis khan is a khorne deamon right?

[spark relic]

I love both settings so I can't really pick a side

[wind flicker]

No

[barren tapir]

Now you do

[vapid tiger]

there is a solution you're not seeing here

the layman perspective must always be considered

[shadow plover]

I do enjoy meself some AoS and WFB as well but I've always liked 40k a lot more

[vapid tiger]

the layman addresses 40k and fantasy as "warhammer"

and initially sees them as the same due to just

bad naming lmao

so fuck it

slap em together

help the layman

[shadow plover]

wouldn't that just weaken the fantasy setting all together

[wind flicker]

No im saying its not real

[vapid tiger]

keep em seperate but in the same cosmology and you help the layman

[barren tapir]

It is... Take your time to deal with it

[spark relic]

Same gods already so why not a little more?

[barren tapir]

And when you want to know more, you know where to find me...

[vapid tiger]

REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU

[wind flicker]

I only accept cain and taybers marriage as canon, the rest isn't real

[shadow plover]

it was forgotten for a reason

[vapid tiger]

i kill u

i stab

i scream

i shid

i piss

[spark relic]

Both Old World and Life of Sugmar have guns

[barren tapir]

So, you take as canon something that isn't, and don't consider canon something that actually is?? Impressive

[vapid tiger]

kill the dictator strongman ubermensch

kill the emperor

[spark relic]

Guns are sci-fi, therefore they're the same

[vapid tiger]

killing off the old world helped drive away some undesirable elements

killing off the emperor would not only be satisfying from a story perspective but would also have the same effect on 40k

piss some bad folks off

[wind flicker]

I was at their wedding

[spark relic]

I'd actually like if they did an Old World reset with 40k

Just dunk it in promethium and start over

[vapid tiger]

I'd like some kind of reset back to a more rt-type tone that's more 2000 AD inspired than fucking

[spark relic]

But this time the Imperium is not hyper xenophobic or something

[vapid tiger]

space knights who are bad but also good but also bad (huh?) and also everyone is racist for some reason

[barren tapir]

Lucky you i guess

[spark relic]

I want high tech humanity in a Star Trek asthetic or something like that

[vapid tiger]

idk about that

but some imperial ships that operate more like the millennium falcon or enterprise would be nice since those existed in fluff before battlefleet gothic

[spark relic]

Better yet, make the Eldar front and centre with humanity as a side faction

Space Elves would sell

I'm sure of it

[vapid tiger]

i am also an advocate of space marines worshipping sigmar and being deployed in the SPACE between realms or something but that'd be weird

[spark relic]

As long as they get enough attention and marketing

[vapid tiger]

very hard to make work

[spark relic]

How about we make Nagash the figure head for the whole lore

[barren tapir]

You are not wrong, but the thing is that while both the empire of man and the imperium were not exactly examples of nice and dandy place to live the imperium identity is more the centerpoint in WH40K than the empire of man was in fantasy...
In fantasy you had lot of other human nations, which helped in making sure that the empire would never became the only human bastion against the world, in 40K the imperium is sadly the only human great faction... So killing it off would make a large part of people mad, it would be better to have different human factions before doing so... Which ironically enough i think the Votann are just the starting point... And who know, maybe we even get a complete division between the Ad. Mech. and the imperium in the future

[spark relic]

I think if the Imperial church and military split it would make a great story

[vapid tiger]

Just the emperor

just kill the emperor and boom

The dream is dEAD

Imperium balkanizes

Hundreds of smaller empires, kingdoms, federations etc formed quickly in the wake of this

Ultramar becomes the byzantine empire

everywhere else enters the fucking dark ages

[spark relic]

Isn't that just Battletech without the mechs?

[vapid tiger]

YES.

[spark relic]

Now that's something I can support

[barren tapir]

But we still have mechs... Knights suits

[spark relic]

Yeah but they won't be on every planet

In BT they are

[vapid tiger]

Except we wouldn't have the clanners

But clanners are weird anyway

[spark relic]

Eh, some places would probably gang up

[vapid tiger]

Space nazi invaders who win

[spark relic]

I would like a Comstar ripoff for that

[vapid tiger]

Except apparently there's some new clanners sourcebook that paints their eugenics and evil shit as "good akshully" so fucking

Battletech weird

[spark relic]

Truer words were ne'er spoken

[old trench]

I never got into Battlemech on account of all the factions seeming like complete assholes, and I'm fully aware of the irony of saying that when I like 40k 😐

[atomic pelican]

I couldnt get into Btech because lack of variety between the factions. Ultimately theyre all just mech guys

Its not bad though, its just a matter of taste

[old trench]

Well, that too. I just don't like mechs at the end of the day and I think tanks are way cooler than mechs

Except the Malcador. Seriously, that's literally a Mark V with a turret on top. Come on, Imperium, you goobers in the AdMech couldn't come up with anything better?

[woven sandal]

I should really get on to making some drawings for the Lee-man Russ at some point.

[rose thorn]

Hey do the other CSM legions know about fallen?

[atomic pelican]

Ye tho it depends on the Legion and individual

BL has a Fallen Ezekarion member so

[plush mason]

im sure the alpha legion also know of them

[rose thorn]

oh sick i didnt even know a falleb was apart of that

i imagine a good amount of fallen would have joined BL