40k-lore-chat

[woven sandal]

But I cannot find it and I haven't read the book myself.

[hushed kayak]

huh, been a while since i read it. Aaron makes great novel, but for some reason. I don’t like it, i’ll have to read it tomorrow

[woven sandal]

Yeah, I remember reading it and remember it being quite harrowing, but it was one of those lore excerpts on /r/40klore and I just cannot find it.

[shadow plover]

I remember enjoying it quite a bit but never really cared for the emperor that much

also the ending was great

[hushed kayak]

i remember vague scenes where the emperor kills daemons. That was sick

[storm jungle]

This is now. All of her memories, all of those thens, reel to a close. No longer lying on the grass, hearing a distant storm. No longer confined in the cargo hold of a spaceship, treated as a slave. They were then, and this is now.

Skoia opens her eyes.

She is bound within her own coffin, bathed in tremulous sound. It rises, octave by octave, and she thinks of deep-sea monsters, ship-eating creatures stirring and thrashing upon the lightless ocean beds as they begin to rise.

She breathes in, managing only a shallow mouthful of air. Her heart beats slowly, so slowly.

She presses her hands to the thickness of the vision panel, knowing instinctively that it isn’t for her to see out, it’s for her captors to look in. To see her, to see if she’s still alive.

Her next breath is harder than the first. She has to fight to suck it in, and it scarcely gets past her throat. Already the edges of her vision darken to grey. She beats her fists against the window, making the coffin sway gently, the motion no different from a rocking cradle.

Her third breath barely comes at all. In that moment she cries out – not with her mouth but with her mind. She screams for the spirits to come to her. She beseeches them for their aid. She curses them for their silence. Panic drives her past holiness into blasphemy, and still she screams.

Other cries join hers. Some, like Skoia’s, beseech ancestor-spirits or the memories of the lost, others are offered up as desperate prayers to the Emperor or the false and half-forgotten gods of distant worlds. It is the unified cry of people drawn from hundreds of cultures voicing their psychic gifts in terminal harmony.

Not all are pained. Some are obliviously joyful, others are sixth sense distillations of helpless rage or simple, crude fear. The chorus of outreaching emotion rises, and the battalion of interconnected machines all run louder, harder, in sympathetic response.

She is fading now. Her breaths no longer come, and that only amplifies her silent cry.

She slumps forwards, cheek pressed to the unbreakable glass, her lips trembling, her eyes wide and shivering. The stiller she becomes, the darker her sight falls, the louder she screams inside her skull.

And now, only now, does she hear the melody of the other souls of the one thousand sharing the same fate, suffering what she suffers. Their screams and prayers and panic and fears entwine, unseen by all, and form one sound, one impossibly perfect note. Those outside the coffins may yet hear it, but its true purity is unheard by any but the dying souls themselves.

It is the very first note in a song that will last ten thousand years, and perhaps beyond.

She, Skoia, is its first singer.

[woven sandal]

Yeah, that.

[storm jungle]

Indeed.

[slender orchid]

Then the depression of the Sister of Silence as the first psykers have their souls burned out within the day. The first was within hours. They were horrified at the thought of just doing it until the end of the war with Horus.

[wind flicker]

Emp needs his soul goo

[viral haven]

The forbidden soul slurpee

[barren tapir]

Actually between 10% and 25% of imperial worlds, but we all know that the administratum is ass at keeping numbers

Lets hope for them that they don't get discovered again

😉

More than once this happened

[regal glen]

can astartes member 1v1 daemonhost?

[barren tapir]

??

Ah, you mean if an astartes can 1v1 a daemonhost?

[regal glen]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Depends on the daemon

[barren tapir]

It depend, a low level astartes would probably be killed, a named char with centuries of experience might do that quite well, also it depend on which chapters, grey knights do that all the time, other chapters not so might have some difficulties...
Also it depend if the astartes is a librarian (psyker) or normal guy

[storm jungle]

Also this, the long version ^

[prisma lark]

so in the end, it depends if the Astartes has a helmet or not?

[barren tapir]

We got daemonhost that get killed by normal humans, and then we get those that require an entire company of grey knights to be dealt with

[barren tapir]

A name, it depend if it has a name or not most of the time

[lunar notch]

Depends on how restricted the Daemonhost is by the person who bound them. Also depends on if the person trying to kill it knows what they are up against. A Death Watch guy or GK could take one out. An Exorcist could prolly handle one as well. The big thing is the preparedness.

[storm jungle]

So basically

whoever is writing the scenario at the time

[regal glen]

could i take out a daemonhost with a few months prep time?

[storm jungle]

Only Batman can do that

dumb-dumb >:|

[vapid tiger]

40k

More like

40bad

gottem

[atomic pelican]

The emperor got BTFO'd by an d1 weapon checkmate corpse worshippers

1w having ass

Sigismund and Sanguinius too now that I think of it

[unique berry]

Do not speak of the Angel

[spark relic]

Don't talk smack about Sigismund

He was so ridiculously close to killing Abaddon 1000 years later when he was way out of his prime that Abaddon was like: Holy shit that was close, I better honour him in death because he was so good at fighting

The fourth worst person ever thought that the most loyal of all SM deserved a proper burial after almost killing them

[atomic pelican]

Oh yes its great

The Sigi Abby fight is one of my faves

[spark relic]

It's so good

[atomic pelican]

We couldve had a chaos aligned Sigi

If only he listened

[spark relic]

The first Black Crusade would have been the final one if Sigi had joined Chaos

[atomic pelican]

Abaddon not really being a duelist and being unpowered vs Boomer Sigismund

The funniest outcome wouldvd been Telemachon killing Sigismund like he wanted to LMAO

[spark relic]

Boomer status ain't no secret

Only reason Abaddon won was because Sigi bled out faster because of his old-ass boomer genes

[atomic pelican]

As I recall he was literally shredded into chunks

So idk

He got talon'd and bisected

[spark relic]

Abaddon was stabbed in every vital organ at once so I'd say it was as close to a draw as it could have been

[atomic pelican]

Although it is rather funny that Sigi is biggo hyped as being one of the greatest swordsmen like, ever

Yeee

[spark relic]

That fight reminds me of the time when Ibram Gaunt killed his uncle

[atomic pelican]

Then got killedededed by someone whos stated to not rlly be an amazing duelist at that point

[spark relic]

Chaos god favour or something idk

[atomic pelican]

Yee probably, though no actual gifts at that point

[spark relic]

Whatever it was that made Abaddon win, Sigismund did NOT have it

[atomic pelican]

He didnt have his Groove

The 1st black crusade was just Abaddon getting his groove back

LMAO

[spark relic]

He got vibe-checked and was found lacking

[atomic pelican]

Vitality check

[spark relic]

Sigi literally got up from his Fox News chair to go fight some fucker who was supposed to be dead and got curbstomped

Sad times

[atomic pelican]

Live Sigismund Reacts

[grizzled grove]

is it me, or are ork specialist units suspiciously similar to Space Marine specialists?
Weirdboy=Librarian
Painboy=Apothacary (even has similar wargear! the 'Urty Syringe seems to be similar in form to the Narthecium)
Mekboy=Techmarine
Killa Kan=Dreadnought

[plush mason]

i love joke reactions

[spark relic]

"Sigismund reacts to his own death!"

[slender orchid]

The game started out as SM versus Orks. Much simpler to balance a semi symmetrical game.

[final spruce]

Yeah I believe back in RT days everybody had the same choice for weapons wheatear you played SM, Eldar or ork

[slender orchid]

Plus every army generally speaking has psykers, medics, engineers, and (in 40k) weird walkers with entombed individuals.

[final spruce]

Well, in an universe constantly in war with casualties being something common, being able to use the dead or near dead as weapon can be quite the asset

[regal glen]

could the strongest gorilla 1v1 the weakest Ork?

wow just found about jokaero

[storm jungle]

Scientist Orangutans yes

[storm jungle]

Monke wins all.

[regal glen]

in the official lore, does the emperor acknowledge the fact that he too is merely an ape? any musings about him being little more than a OO OO AA AA chimp?

[storm jungle]

He came to the world as a Hittite

so im gonna say yes

alas he wasnt a caveman tho

https://tenor.com/view/primal-ahh-me-angry-mad-shout-gif-17346691

[grand minnow]

Spear is just a nicer world eater pre nails

[lunar notch]

And there you have it.

[spice orchid]

Are nurglings capable of possession?

[tiny raven]

Who is the biggest motorcycle nerd

[lunar notch]

Are you serious

[tiny raven]

ye

[crisp heath]

[regal glen]

jaghatay and his boys

[tiny raven]

thanks

[vapid tiger]

Is skarbrand a top or a power bottom

[vapid tiger]

Probably

It'd be funny tho

Well probably terrifying actually as someone is reduced to this cackling insane possessed madman who is shitting and pissing and vomiting everywhere while gibbering unintelligibly

[vocal leaf]

sounds like a friday night

[prisma lark]

tough question; Skarbrand gets stronger the more "bottom" he becomes, not sure if that'd make him a power bottom though

[vocal leaf]

random ass question. Is there like an in-world cardgame or something that imperal guardsmen etc play with each other?

or dice game or whatever

[tiny raven]

gwent

[vocal leaf]

would be dope to have an organic pass-time game that we could play in the hub in dt with other players. Something that makes sense in-lore

[vapid tiger]

they play go fish

[vocal leaf]

or a game thats typical on tertium as pass-time

[prisma lark]

there's Regicide, not sure if played by Guardsmen or only the higher echelons of society

[vapid tiger]

they play uno

uno is hardcore

[tiny raven]

52 card pickup

[vocal leaf]

ye but i meaan there is how many thousands of worlds? so makes sense if there are also thousands upon thousands of games. Could make something up for DT that fits with the lore and could be typical Tertium or smt

[vapid tiger]

they play kick the baby

and then they kick a snotling

[prisma lark]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Devils_and_Dames_Solo

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Five-Card_Raekis

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hearts_and_Titans

[vocal leaf]

i mean that would be kinda the same as inventing a game, just that a name exists arldy

[prisma lark]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shonk

[vapid tiger]

shonk

[vocal leaf]

shonk xD

[vapid tiger]

"Involving multiple players"

[vocal leaf]

i want shonk now. Multiple players too

[vapid tiger]

It's fucking uno

[prisma lark]

so yeah, apparently quite a few card games, although we have absolutely zero info on how they're played

[vapid tiger]

Except instead of saying uno you say shonk

[vocal leaf]

goddamn, someone call FS HQ

MLG SHONK WC 2023

[vapid tiger]

Would you top him

[vocal leaf]

the shonk shampionship

shonk makes me think of orks

[tacit mountain]

Question

Could an ogryn actually kill a space marine

Like physically

I know they're dumb as rocks which is why we love them, but let's just say ogryn versus space marine for pure statistics, could they do it?

[shadow plover]

think so if they'd get their hands on one

they might be lacking in speed though to do so

[storm jungle]

As Jerk says they are great in brute strength. What they lack is cunning mostly.

Its basically what would happen if you ordered a gorilla to go and kill someone.

[tacit mountain]

I just think it's be amazing if am ogryn saw a space marine who was like acting all uppity and egotistical to their friends and the ogryn decided to just deck the space marine

[storm jungle]

They can also kill a Terminator too if they are in for it lol

With a roar, the ogryn picked up one of the traitors, one massive hand upon the enemy’s backpack and the other between his legs. It lifted the Chaos Marine high into the air and slammed it head first into the ground, cracking its neck.

• Dark Apostle

[tacit mountain]

Amazing

My love for ogryns only grows

They deserve a medal

[storm jungle]

Most people just assume they are braindead when they simply just have the intelligence of a child lol.

So that's kind of the only annoying part.

[tacit mountain]

I don't assume they're braindead

But like when they're competing with space Marines who might be centuries old I thought it was an interesting match up

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah it is.

I was just saying most people assume they literally cannot do anything from being too dumb. They are mostly as intelligent as the plot requires them to be.

[tacit mountain]

Imagine the most egotistical god complex space marine losing to an ogryn and just having an aneurysm because how can a child minded lowly mutant beat the likes of a glorious space marine? I just would love to see that.

[shadow plover]

oh Lucius ?

[storm jungle]

LOL

Yeah thats one aspect with Marines people forget.

They can die like anyone else to a simple mistake.

[shadow plover]

the perceived immortality is pretty much how an average imperial citizen might see one or in-universe propaganda that caught on to some fans

[storm jungle]

Also some IRL wanking

They show some Marine dressing up for 10 minutes in "high-end" armor with countless rituals only for him to be 3 days into the field and die like this:

[tacit mountain]

That's why ogryn is best

No god complex

[cunning wigeon]

I mean...children can still be egotistical

[tacit mountain]

Yeah but ogryn just wants sticker

[final spruce]

It has happened 2 times :

• One in a short novel where a sergeant and his ogryn are being beaten by CSM, they get both knocked on the ground because the CSM are having a laugh, Sarge distracts the CSM and the ogryn gets up and tears off the CSM's arm and pulls out his knife to meet the others, both the sarge and ogryn die irc
• In one of the Chaos books, one ogryn, after having his friend killed, literally grabs a CSM termine and pile-drive him, the weight of the Terminator armour solely being held by the CSM's neck, breaking it

Atleast from the ones I know

[tacit mountain]

I love this knowledge so freaking much

[cerulean wagon]

ogryns are capable of being assholes, which honestly is part of what makes them great

mercenary ogryns with experience and a bit of intelligence behind them 🙏

[tacit mountain]

Fair enough

But regardless they're great

[vocal leaf]

children can be suuuuuper evil and indifferent

i feel like tho if a marine, chaos or not would lose 1 on 1 against an ogryn, it would be because of a mistake on their end no? Highly experienced super warrior against basically just brute force. If they use their skills properly and take it somewhat serious, they should win against an ogryn easily or am i mistaken?

[atomic pelican]

It depends on equipment and context I think

Any like, melee oriented C/SM would obliterate a ogryn assuming no shenanigans like arrogance

A marine with just his fists or a knife though would probably lose

But its def not a one sided affair either way

Theyre p much the best melee guard has to offer, both in a tabletop and fluff perspective. But theyll still get rinsed by other faction's fitted for melee in a straight fight

[woven sandal]

I think a SM with even just a knife would probably beat an Ogryn in melee combat. But it'd pretty close.

[wind flicker]

theres several examples of ogryns whupping sms in power armor

[atomic pelican]

Yeah certainly, I think alot of speculation like this is based on sort of coming to a middle on things like powerscaling

Since BL authors are

Very bad

About that

Ultimately the reason that alot of these talks come to a complete halt is that, usually, every party is actually right LMAO

Its just theyve read different fiction from the same setting

[vocal leaf]

yea i mean if an ogryn was around as strong as an sm, you'd think there wouldnt be such a fuss about not having more sm...just get more ogryns then and throw them in a direction xD

[woven sandal]

Ogryns are actually supposed to be stronger than Space Marines. At least in terms of raw strength, but SMs are pretty consistently shown to be absurdly fast and skilled in all types of weapons as well as pretty much always being the smartest and most experienced guy in just about any room.

There's a lot of qualities that SM have that Ogryns simply don't. Hell, in many circumstances Ogryns are actually worse than normal guardsmen.

[shadow plover]

does the strength comparison come with or without power armour

[wind flicker]

with

[woven sandal]

With yeah.

[atomic pelican]

I imagine with since like, SM basically arent ever NOT in armor in a fight

[wind flicker]

an sm with no power armor against an ogryn would get his orbs juiced

[woven sandal]

The FFG RPGs have Ogryns as stronger than SM with power Armor in terms of lifting strength at least.

[atomic pelican]

Depends on the FFG

Er the rpg

[woven sandal]

That is also true.

[atomic pelican]

Because I can tell you that a base CSM in BC has a str mod of 7 at the very start of the game, before point buy

[vocal leaf]

well ok but pure strength is useless in a fight against someone experienced if thats all you got so cant really just compare from that

[shadow plover]

true

you can attach a servo arm to a servitor which would be technically more powerful than an ogryn but it would be stomped by one

[woven sandal]

Ogryns are supposed to be ridiculously strong and tough and I think an Ogryn could take an unarmed/armed with only a knife SM in single combat. But SM are basically never unarmed to that extent.

Also, SM should all carry Las Pistols as backup weapons.

[vocal leaf]

btw, is an sm IN armor heavier as an ogryn or the other way around?

[woven sandal]

That I do not know.

[atomic pelican]

I think you could find a SM unarmed for melee. Happens pretty often that tac marines just carry a bolter, a pistol, and a knife

Assuming the Ogryn gets into thrashing range

[vocal leaf]

wonder what full force tackle from an SM would do or an ogryn could stop them

[atomic pelican]

I think theyd just end up embracing eachother

😳

[wind flicker]

sm makin out with an ogryn, that would be ok

[atomic pelican]

Now Kiss

[tired umbra]

A SM is still a walking tank. I imagine anything below an actual tank is gonna buckle at a head on charge from one.

[vocal leaf]

im just taking all this into consideration when i think about you can play an ogryn side by side with the other classes in DT, even though lore-wise that is pretty imbalanced and whether or not they could implement a chaos sm maybe as a boss or something

[woven sandal]

I could definitely see it being written as an Ogryn being able to stop a SM in his tracks even at full tilt.

[atomic pelican]

I think its confirmed no CSM anyway.

[wind flicker]

if an sm showed up in dt, our ogryn could 100% kiss them

[vocal leaf]

yea i feel like an ogryn could only defeat aan sm IN armor by breaking his back or the joints or something cause of the armor

[woven sandal]

I could also see it being written as the SM bowling over the Ogryn too.

[vocal leaf]

nice, cant wait

[wind flicker]

sadly sms wont ever show up to kiss ogryn

[final spruce]

Ogryns are strong enough to rip the limbs with armour, no need to pierce it when you can just play Pluck the Petals on the Marine

[tired umbra]

Yeah fair actually. I reckon it's kinda like how the whole Thanos vs Hulk went down. Both got brute strength but one happens to also have skill.

[vocal leaf]

i mean, if we have a plague ogryn as "monster" that can appear, i feel like a chaos sm as actual boss doesnt even seem that implausible

[atomic pelican]

Yeah itd be possible

But I think they already had confirmed not

Atleast, someone said that a few days ago

@wind flicker I think

[vocal leaf]

yea but on one side they say they are focusing on supporting new content for dt etc for the long run and on the other apparently all the major obvious choices for new enemies and factions are said to not come, its a bit weird. At least i cant really come up with any organic feeling factions, classes or bosses that could pop in

maybe a giant mutant spider cause underhive as a boss and otherwise nurgle daemon things, idk

[tired umbra]

I am gonna poop and cry if there's a big spider in this game.

[vocal leaf]

i mean i am just saying that bc apparently they can exist in underhives and it would be a different kind of boss than the usual

[vapid tiger]

Dare you enter my workstation

[tired umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/were-just-gonna-kill-em-gif-11132724

[dry epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[atomic pelican]

Terror

[atomic pelican]

Are u a teacher or sorts

[vapid tiger]

yes

[atomic pelican]

Aw thats cute

[vapid tiger]

Thank you

[prisma lark]

plot twist, that's a doll house

[vapid tiger]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/1st_Regiment#

The big one

[tacit mountain]

They could always add dlc for a Tyranid infestation idk

Like genestealer cult

[vocal leaf]

Ppl kept telling me they said no GSC alrdy

[tacit mountain]

Ah I see

[vocal leaf]

And actual nids make no sense too

[tacit mountain]

Odd since that'd be like perfect

[atomic pelican]

Well, if the game expands scope to say, the system, nids could work

[vocal leaf]

Yea GSC was the first additional faction i thought of

[tacit mountain]

That's what I was thinking

Like dlc could be other hives

[vapid tiger]

I mean in vermintide which darktide is built off of each new faction works together with the others

[vocal leaf]

Yea but stuff like nids or orks etc are large scale operations. Way too much for a squad of 4

[tacit mountain]

You've seen darkwing right?

The game

Or am I forgetting the right name

[atomic pelican]

If that trend remains, the only real expansion options would be other chaos factions

[vocal leaf]

Deathwing?

[tacit mountain]

Anyway just the point is

[tacit mountain]

Yes

[vapid tiger]

So if they were to add new factions I'd suspect they'd need to be chaos aligned

[tacit mountain]

The squad of 4 doesn't have to solve it all

I doubt we'd solve an entire plague cult normal base game

But like just taking on sections

[vapid tiger]

We're not playing one squad

We're playing one of several

[tacit mountain]

Yeah

That's what I was thinking

[vapid tiger]

Hence the char creation

[tacit mountain]

We're just one operation in this give

*hive

So future dlc with worse enemies

[atomic pelican]

Well, the U5 never take on the Rotbloods in their entirety. Just small strikes

[tacit mountain]

It'd just be like different operations

[vapid tiger]

What dabbadon said

I know you want gsc but the only way to add them would be to make them super old school gsc where gsc were genestealer infestations corrupted by chaos

Which gw will not approve

Because they hate fun

[vocal leaf]

Yea but thats exaclty why orks or nids etc dont really work. Those arent really things were you can necessarily send in squads of random convicts i feel like

[vapid tiger]

and more importantly because the newer models do not reflect that

[tacit mountain]

Honestly it's not really that I want, my brain just immediately went to deathwing when thinking about this game

[vapid tiger]

Deathwing's kind of shit but I guess I get it if you haven't played vermintide

[tacit mountain]

Eh I thought it was sorta fun

[vapid tiger]

it's shit but kind of neat i guess

[tacit mountain]

I'm just a fan of any game with lots of enemies

[vapid tiger]

it gets a lot of things right

[tacit mountain]

I'm a man of simple tastes

Lots of enemies

[vapid tiger]

vermintide better

[tacit mountain]

Want kill

[vapid tiger]

drg better

[tacit mountain]

The weirdest thing is I never played or watched anything on vermintide

[vapid tiger]

play drg

[tacit mountain]

I just heard this game was gonna have good melee

And I was like on board

[vapid tiger]

ya cause it's vermintide melee

[tacit mountain]

Yeah I looked into that slightly but past that idk much about vermintide

[vocal leaf]

Imagine rats

Lots of rats

On two legs

[tacit mountain]

I just like 2 things in life

Hoards of enemies which the gameplay we've seen so far has shown
Melee to use against said hoards

[vocal leaf]

Then play vermintide xD

[tacit mountain]

I might but the main thing stopping me is the fact that I don't have money to spare at the moment

[vocal leaf]

Understandable

Its often on huge sale tho

[tacit mountain]

Fair, I'll check it out prolly

[vocal leaf]

Perfect to tide over till darktide

Badummtss

[vapid tiger]

get vermintide when you can yeah

It's good

Vermintide 2 specifically since that's just 1 but better

[tacit mountain]

Dude though I was playing deep rock galactic and I realized something

That game makes flamethrowers in any other game seem weak

The heavy flamer is nothing compared to my random dwarf's flamethrower

[sudden kelp]

Fanatical generally offers great prices

[tacit mountain]

Would it be possible for necrodermis, the metal necrons are made of, to be reverse engineered or like other people y'know kill a necron and then take that metal and remake it or something?

[plush mason]

not likely as necrons just teleport away on "death"

[tacit mountain]

I thought I'd I remembered correctly there were ways to kill a necron, just with great difficulty. I like necrons a lot but I won't pretend I'm like an expert on them.

[plush mason]

i mean they arent exactly alive to start with

more or less just AI robots save those high ranking ones that still have their personalities from their necrotyr days

but even when you kill a lord they just teleport away

only in very very rare circumstances will a necron's body not teleport away when destroyed

[signal hill]

There was bolter ammo against it
Still Reverse engineering... Not much of that going in in 40k

[hushed kayak]

is it possible for a space marine remove a daemon within their body?

been wondering about this for a while

[shadow plover]

think there's a chapter that does it as a initiation ritual

the exorcists or some shit

[hushed kayak]

interesting, you remember the chapters name?

[shadow plover]

The Exorcists 😄

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exorcists

[storm jungle]

A true couple of memelords those guys

[spark zenith]

a Minotaur when a chaos cultist is in a crowd of innocent imperial citizens (they do not know what the word ‘collateral’ means)

[prisma lark]

"innocent"? Clearly they are guilty of having a heretic in their midst

[unique berry]

Fyodor Karamazov

There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court, a plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty.

Ah yes u have to love em

[storm jungle]

American Court System be like

[frail rune]

Alright so who in your opinion is the best Primarch ?

[crisp heath]

trick answer: Alpharius

[frail rune]

How did you know ? are you Alpharius ?

[crisp heath]

Optimus Prime

[vapid tiger]

no no no no no stop don't bring that reddit shit here

[frail rune]

It's not from reddit

[vapid tiger]

primarch worship is prevalent on reddit

[frail rune]

ah

Well reddit is alot like Necromunda

A hive of scum and villainy

[spark relic]

I have been called

[frail rune]

Odd, i thought i was Alpharius

[spark relic]

Entirely possible

One can never be quite sure

[frail rune]

Are we loyalist then ? i haven't figured it out yet

[unique berry]

Hm

[barren tapir]

Two is impossible, unless they retconnect the fact that big E exactly erased his soul so to not be able to be resurrected

[unique berry]

Alpha Legion making my head hurt

[atomic pelican]

Theyre just sneaky traitors basically

Rlly dont worry abt the whole "Ohhh But what if Loyalist?!?@" because its a wash

[barren tapir]

I think that either 3 or 5 are the most plausible

[distant dune]

im with silver on that

there is that stuff that alpharius was a traitor but omegon was loyal

[unique berry]

But didn't Dorn killed Omegon?

[barren tapir]

Alpharius, he allegedly killed alpharius

[storm jungle]

Yeah what dabbadon said

the entirety of alpha legion are traitors

theres no loyalists

lmao

[storm jungle]

Yes.

People just meme and try to overcomplicate the shit out of it for jokes

[barren tapir]

With varying degree of acceptance from fans, which go to "no, dorn didn't killed alpharius" to "yep he is ded and now omegon is ruling in his stead"

[storm jungle]

Basically doesnt matter

so lol

[distant dune]

yeah now that i got that piece of info

all heretics

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

they always say they got loyalist elements

but

literally every lore they got shows them as traitors

and fucking over countless planets

[spark relic]

So we're ignoring how they saved an incredibly important psychic individual and gave them to the Imperium in Shroud of Night?

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah

[spark relic]

Cause that doesn't sound like traitors

[storm jungle]

that means so much amidst all the other atrocities they committed

because uh

"secret lazy writing agenda"

[spark relic]

So you've never heard of renegades?

[storm jungle]

I have

Alpha Legion still have never helped the Imperium

[spark relic]

SM chapters that are still loyal to Big E but not the Imperium exist

[storm jungle]

Yes.

Alpha Legion for the 99% majority of its lore has never done such a thing.

Rob Sanders' excellent Sons of the Hydra has a group that believe they're serving the Imperium by making it stronger. ||They turn out to none of them be original alpha legionnaires, and the original alpha legionnaires they meet are fully tentacled. One warlord is obsessed with killing ultramarines after Guilliman killed Omegon/Alpharius as Eskrandor. The protagonists are 'just' imperial renegades who read old Alpha Legion material and rebranded themselves.||

[unique berry]

I mean some atrocities here and there in WH40k its a basic Monday

[vapid tiger]

LMAO

Matches the whole "alpha legion legion are just a bunch of chaos corrupted dicks who do complex shit to show off" thing you see in dawn of war

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[crisp heath]

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy

[plush mason]

that last one is worrying and encouraging lol

cause it would be something if big e ended up pulling off some kind IQ 500000000 move on chaos

[vapid tiger]

I think my favorite "theory" on the alpha legion that actually matches what's written is that the alpha legion's secret nature is just a brand and that they made up all the shit about secret loyalists/infiltrating all chapters/alpharius is alive etc to just fuck with people and make themselves sound scarier

And that they're otherwise just regular chaos marines who have a slight preference for sabotage and use of indoctrinated cultists

It would match every single bit of lore of them being followed by "this is a lie"

[storm jungle]

Lmao I love that

[vapid tiger]

That their fucky-wucky nature comes moreso from them just understanding the value of propaganda rather than being masterminds behind literally everything who are everywhere

By convincing everyone that they ARE everywhere

It would also match the fluff where the raven guard noted during the great crusade that the alpha legion were basically fucking with people for giggles and actually making campaigns way longer through meaningless complexities and infiltration plots

And that they were basically just showing off

I think the rg mention they could do the same thing but don't because it's impractical?

Which if true would mean that alpharius/omegon and their legion simply had an inferiority complex

They were the ghost legion and essentially spooky marine cia

Then were deployed as a full sized legion due to the needs of the crusade (the two lost legions being G O N E by the time they appear in the late great crusade), and just had to show off to people that they had been infiltration specialists beforehand and built a web of lies to make themselves sound scarier when they were in reality quite average and hated that

evidenced by the fact that their twin primarchs were fucking bodied by dorn and guilliman

Tbh a lot of shit is overhyped in 40k lore and proceeds to be outdone by other things in 40k

Two ork warlords bodying the emperor despite him being the strongest psyker and according to any fan or whc employee invincible

marines in general being actually kind of vulnerable despite being characterized and marketed as unstoppable, they get their limbs sliced off by fucking dark eldar splinter weapons in brothers of the snake despite killing lots of kabalites later

Oh god I'm rambling

[unique berry]

Krug on fire jesus

[spark relic]

I'm glad you noticed, now feel free to continue since you are making excellent points

[regal glen]

How many Adeptus Mechanicus required to rival Apple's entire R&D department?

[vapid tiger]

tldr is that the ghost legion no longer felt distinguished when they were made a frontline legion and felt they needed to compensate through building reputation so late in the crusade, alpharius has an inferiority complex

But yeah shit in 40k and warhammer in general is usually overhyped

At least compared to other things in-universe

I think chaos is the best example. It is often written as utterly unstoppable and inevitable, something several fans lament and causes them to claim that chaos is "op"

But chaos regularly gets its shit kicked in

Especially in 40k

Though tbf in whf it won but in aos it's more of a back and forth

[spark relic]

Yeah AoS lore is just "chaos was winning BUT THEN SIGMAR DID A THING"

40k is literally the same thing

Except switch Sigmar for Robute

[vapid tiger]

I mean at least aos has a better foundation for that

with the conceit of the plot being that sigmar has a pretty reasonable plan to stop chaos

By smacking it with a hammer

To conquer the realms and then storm the realms of chaos with the stormcasts and armies of order

Meanwhile the emperor is like 💀

[spark relic]

smacking it with a hammer

The best and only solution

[vapid tiger]

"Hurr durr we're gonna ban religion then make a webway and starve the chaos gods"

vs

"I am going to smack it with a hammer until it stops moving"

[spark relic]

"Smacking it with a hammer didn't work last time"

"Have you tried smacking it harder?"

Introducing AoS

"We smack things"

[vapid tiger]

Hey last time they were on the defensive

Now they're on the offensive

[spark relic]

Good point

This time they're the ones preforming the incursions

[vapid tiger]

"Last time we lost because we were divided, now we are united under order"

"Also ground marines charge"

[spark relic]

Meanwhile half of the Dwarfs are sleeping away their time in the mountains doing mohawk competitions or something

[vapid tiger]

They'll help if you pay them

it works

it just works

[spark relic]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[abstract zealot]

The reason our inquisitor is unable to contact her boss who is off world, could it be because tyranids are preparing to invade and have invoked the shadow in the warp?

[tawdry escarp]

Wyrmwood?

I don't think she's an Inquisitor

[plush mason]

nah wyrmwood afawk is just an agent of somekind

also i dont think she cant contact the ship its just as the inquisitor wont answer for what ever reason

also. can vox communications even reach a ship in the warp which i assume is where the morning star is?

or do you need an astropath for that

[plush mason]

there are other ways to cut a world off from outside help. namely buy shutting down the astropath stations and relays which are needed for all long range communications

[carmine grail]

Big enough Event in the Warp will knock out astropathic choirs. Normally at least get a lot of gibbering first, then bloodbath

[plush mason]

oof

btw are those things surface installations or satellites in orbit or does it just depend on the world?

[tawdry escarp]

I imagine a hive city has numerous choirs on the surface

Probably relays if not full choirs on the orbital docking stations

[storm jungle]

All depends on the plot

[spice orchid]

are raider/escort sized voidships capable of landing and taking off from a planets surface?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

they will usually use orbital spires

[spice orchid]

swag, ty

ur the best

[storm jungle]

[spice orchid]

[vapid tiger]

so there's puritanical inquisitors and radical inquisitors

But no one talks about the worst kind of inquisitors

centrist inquisitors

[cunning wigeon]

"I dont think we can send troops to defend against the Drukhari raid, I mean they have some good ideas"

[unique berry]

Radical inquisitors

[vapid tiger]

"Guys, I think we should compromise with the tyranids. Both sides have fair arguments for fighting the other. Maybe they can only eat SOME of us and that'll placate them?"

[cunning wigeon]

"I'm just saying, chaos has some good ideals, we just need to reach a compromise y'know?"

[vapid tiger]

"We should debate one another in the battleground of ideas!"

[cunning wigeon]

cant wait for them to get with an ork saying "My sincerest apologies good sir, I had presumed this was a battle of wits, yet you are clearly unarmed"

[vapid tiger]

meanwhile in aos archaon screams at sigmar to debate him

[cunning wigeon]

Archaon just makes nonstop soyjaks of sigmar with captions like "mfw I throw the symbol of my godhood through a chaos portal"

[vapid tiger]

"If order is so tolerant, how come they do not tolerate me marching my forces into Hammerhal and butchering everyone I find? Checkmate sigmarites"

[cunning wigeon]

Nagash and Archaon engaged in a meme propaganda war over who has the rights to the souls of the departed

[prisma lark]

in the old Warhammer lore (like "1st edition WFRPG" old), the Order gods were all but tolerant

you definitely do not fuck around with Solkan

[vapid tiger]

Ya but in aos a common theme, especially in the case of the Order factions is that of diverse peoples having to work together to survive and thrive in an otherwise unforgiving world

Even if they still infight and don't get along

This was KIND OF a thing in whf too but in aos it has gotten to the point where the free cities will most often be very multicultural

Whereas in whf everyone was seperated, which sigmar identified in aos as being the reason why they ended up losing to chaos

Which is why he immediately began trying to unite everyone in the age of myth, and chaos only managed to win and bring forth the age of chaos via sowing divisions between the various members of Sigmar's Pantheon, splitting them up again

And in the cases of death and destruction, permanently splitting them from everyone else

[cunning wigeon]

Nagash was this close to be redeemed, then Sigmar had to go and break his promise with him

[atomic pelican]

Their breakup is heart shattering

[cunning wigeon]

all because sigmar got completely jebaited by archaon

[vapid tiger]

nagash is definitely a top

a very strict top

[storm jungle]

They should kiss and make up

[plush mason]

lol

what does AOS nagash look like?

does he still look like his fantasy battles self or nah?

[atomic pelican]

If you mean shit skeletor model, no

Yes

He looks like his art

[plush mason]

nice

[cunning wigeon]

stay hovering king

and his favourite general:

[storm jungle]

ah yes

skeleton chad squidward

my favorite character

[plush mason]

like how many people where used to make that fucker?

[cunning wigeon]

Katakros or the morghast or the big skeleton with the shield

[vapid tiger]

I got told I look like handsome squidward back when I shaved 💀

I'm not sure how to take that

[plush mason]

i guess Katakros. thats the one with the hoplon and spear right?

[cunning wigeon]

yeah Katakros is the main one

with his special glaive and shield

iirc he isnt made of people

fossilised godbeast bone

[plush mason]

so thats all armor?

[vapid tiger]

It's all dinosaur bones

[cunning wigeon]

to make him indestructible essentially

[plush mason]

i see

[cunning wigeon]

nah that is him

[vapid tiger]

i see they censored his crotch in the art

[plush mason]

so he is basically a bone golem?

[cunning wigeon]

yeah kinda

but he was once a human

[vapid tiger]

But his crotch is here in full glory on his model

[spark relic]

Why are the dead people always the coolest?

[cunning wigeon]

his intelligence is still all his

[plush mason]

cause they are metal as fuck and can often break the rules of nature in bad ass ways

[spark relic]

Fair point

Why is Nagash not a Lord in Warhammer 3

[vapid tiger]

skaven when they see a guy holding a piece of spoiled, maggot filled pork (it is delicious)

[vapid tiger]

I assume he will be in a future dlc

[plush mason]

cause CA doesnt want to go that far into the end times stuff

[cunning wigeon]

they have archaon

[spark relic]

If he is added I'm immediately buying the game no matter the price

[vapid tiger]

Their dlc model has changed a bit

Lord packs are now exclusively for single races and themes rather than "guy vs guy", and they confirmed thanquol would be a tww3 character

[plush mason]

hm

so maybe nagash will get in

[vapid tiger]

My theme is that way down the line will be an end times dlc featuring lords and units from the end times

[spark relic]

I hope the U5 will be added as event units like Gotrek and Felix are

Unlikely tho

[vapid tiger]

Nagash, thanquol, end times neferata, the glottkin, etc

[cunning wigeon]

they are already in the game

[plush mason]

they already have many of them just not in the "proper" way i guess you can say

[spark relic]

what wait when how

[vapid tiger]

I will be greatly disappointed if nagash doesn't sound like aku from samurai jack

[vapid tiger]

Not quite actually

[plush mason]

like TW archaon is a massively powered down version of the end times one

[cunning wigeon]

helmgart or ubersriek you can build the pub and it gives you a witch hunter, waystalker, dwarven engineer, empire captain and a bright wizard

[spark relic]

Oh right yeah but I mean named characters

[plush mason]

yes it was a VT crossover update they did

[spark relic]

Like G and F

[vapid tiger]

Still no wrathmongers/skullreapers, morghasts, blightkings both on foot and on plague drones, stormfiends, maggoth riders, etc

I presume those would come in an end times dlc

And don't forget the updated verminlords too

so many units

[fierce pendant]

It was more of a nod towards VT, since the update they came with was with Empire rework

[plush mason]

its just ubersriek. helmgart was always in TWWH ofc it was only made into a stand along fort with the mountain forts update

[cunning wigeon]

mrymidesh, symbaresh, sybarites etc

[vapid tiger]

yeah tww1 was first launched before ubersreik was made a major settlement by whfrp 4e

Prior to that ubersreik was just "that city in vermintide, it's kind of important in reikland i guess"

[vapid tiger]

Those are aos units

I'm talking about the units that came out during the end times

That carried over to aos

[fierce pendant]

yeah basically. Helmgart was once part of the province and with rework they separated it into a fort, and Ubersreik was added as an extra city.

[spark relic]

They did a similar thing with the Hunter and Beast dlc in tww2

[vapid tiger]

Which I think are just what I listed outside of the end times lords

[fierce pendant]

ye pretty much, could be more of a nod towards VT2 even given the heroes there kinda predicted bardin's career

And at that time GK w as out I think

don't remember tho

[plush mason]

ngl helmgart was always a bitch to deal with when i played as the empire after that update

[vapid tiger]

WFRP 4e focused so hard on ubersreik that it's basically one of the most important settlements in the reikland

[fierce pendant]

Yeah that was kinda the point since pre update you could easily get into the empire from the south

[plush mason]

yeah

but the fact it always starts in the hands of the rebels meant you had to take it back to use it lol

[vapid tiger]

Yeah the point is that the empire is supposed to be difficult to get into

That's how the lore always stated it

[fierce pendant]

I'd still want to see some dlc for empire one day, but that's only cause i'm spoiled and I want more fancy elector counts

[vapid tiger]

Even though it is like

Routinely penetrated

[fierce pendant]

Yeah.

[plush mason]

like hell. why is there no mega fort at the black fire pass?

[vapid tiger]

Mountains guarded by dwarves to the east, a sea and kislev to the north, bretonnia and the grey mountains to the west and a bunch of mountains and forts to the south

Which is why blackfire pass is the default way of getting into the empire from the south in tww

Because it's unguarded

But

It actually is very easy for the empire to send armies there

[fierce pendant]

^

Plus aren't there like, mountaineers regiments or units from Averland serving as scouts or some thing? Though I might be completely wrong lmao

[plush mason]

when did the empire's captial move from nulun to altdorf anyway?

[fierce pendant]

I don't know my lore well on the separate states

All I know are like the basics, with Teutonen guard (Or however you spell it) guarding the flame in Middenheim

[rocky dune]

I think it was a big waaagh

From grom the paunch

[vapid tiger]

Like apparently the skaven feared the empire despite being very capable of destroying them

Because protagonist syndrome dictates that the skaven's main attempt at killing the empire failed and so the skaven were like "okay let's convince them we don't exist"

[spark relic]

I thought Altdorf was always the capital?

[rocky dune]

Emperor at the time didn’t want to deal with it, so he moved the capital

[fierce pendant]

was it Magnus that moved it

[plush mason]

same but it seems nuln was for a long time

[fierce pendant]

or someone else

[vapid tiger]

It was nuln during the reign of magnus I think

[fierce pendant]

Ah nuln was during magnus's reign

mmk

[vapid tiger]

And they moved it back afterwards?

I think.

I'm not sure

[fierce pendant]

I'll check later either way prolly

[vapid tiger]

Oh yeah

Okay so magnus made it uh

The capital

Because he was from there

And then it stayed that way until grom fucked up nuln

So then they moved it back to altdorf

[plush mason]

afaik it was the captial before the civil war

[fierce pendant]

ye makes sense

[plush mason]

nuln that is

[fierce pendant]

since grom's waagh fucked over empire hard

[vapid tiger]

Because grom royally fucked the empire

Yeah

The only reason he didn't destroy it was because he got bored and decided to sail towards the high elves

[fierce pendant]

ye

[vapid tiger]

He pretty much ruled the empire for a short period anyway and made nuln his capital

Which pissed off his black orcs I think?

[fierce pendant]

Ye it's that goblin mindset getting in

mhm

He was like getting fed and stuff? I vaguely remember lmao

[vapid tiger]

and he was like "I'm big goblin I want to sit around and be a lazy goblin" and killed all the black orcs

Which apparently bled his waaagh significantly

[fierce pendant]

But ye after that he got those visions or something that told him to sail to Ulthuan

[vapid tiger]

Ya

[fierce pendant]

and it was after he beat the shit out of his own waagh

[vapid tiger]

And then he nearly sank ulthuan

[fierce pendant]

cause reasons

[vapid tiger]

Grom op

[fierce pendant]

and ye

Grom best

still gonna play grimgor on 23 tho

i need to krump some daemons

[vapid tiger]

Goblin eats troll meat, survives and becomes the greatest greenskin who ever lived

[plush mason]

ill be playing the gorequeen on the 23rd lol

[vapid tiger]

I'll probably be playing vilitch

or maybe archaon.

[fierce pendant]

I played too much skarbrand to again bother with khorne mechanics XD

[plush mason]

i just want a proper khorne horde faction lol

[fierce pendant]

understandable

[vapid tiger]

i mean warriors of chaos are no longer a horde faction tbf

[fierce pendant]

I mean it's no longer horde

ye

they got reworked with black fortresses

[vapid tiger]

only nakai is a horde faction now

[fierce pendant]

yup

[vapid tiger]

Except they buffed him

To make him a fun one

They fucking overclocked the shit out of his vassal system

[plush mason]

arent they like a simi horde tho?

[vapid tiger]

To make them useful and also buff nakai

[fierce pendant]

Depends what you mean by semi horde

[vapid tiger]

I mean sort of but in the same way beastmen are

[fierce pendant]

They can no longer build inside of their army

they have like

[plush mason]

ugh

[fierce pendant]

non-moving ogre camps

[vapid tiger]

Vampire coast are also a semi horde

[fierce pendant]

which are black fortresses

[vapid tiger]

So are ogres ya

[fierce pendant]

They have the new recruitment mechanic

which allows them to recruit on the move

But the warp system encourages to go back to black fortresses

to recruit some higher tier units you can't normally upgrade through the new system

like giants or

other monsters

other units you just mass recruit marauders

and upgrade em as your onslaught goes

[vapid tiger]

They can take settlements but they want those black fortresses apparently yeah

Which checks out

[fierce pendant]

ye they're like

Mass buff/reduction providing bases

[vapid tiger]

Because in fantasy and aos you see lore and artwork of chaos occupied cities

[plush mason]

so like the amazons in the troy saga?

[fierce pendant]

so the more black fortresses you get early

[fierce pendant]

Yeah

more enjoyable horde now imo

[fierce pendant]

especially with rifts travel

[vapid tiger]

Slice of life khorne edition

[fierce pendant]

Also the models look great so far for all dedicated chaos warriors

the only exception is the FLC regiment of renown

Which is made with old models

but painted with tzeentch colors

so it's the old ugly cloak with skulls, painted blue 🤢

but modders will fix it

[vapid tiger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/wne83l/all_dark_fortress_locations/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

There's certain settlements that can become dark fortresses basically

[fierce pendant]

Ye the lore-fitting ones

[plush mason]

the best thing about RoRs is unless their stats or specials are way better you can just ignore them lol

[fierce pendant]

like that chaos portal under capital for lizardmen

or that old chaos fortress in hochland

[plush mason]

can Pragg become one?

[fierce pendant]

I think so

don't remember

I know middenheim can too for sure

so you have like two fortresses when getting into empire

[vapid tiger]

It seems praag, the brass fortress, middenheim and nuln are the kislev and empire dark fortress candidates

[fierce pendant]

Nuln too?

[vapid tiger]

Yeah look at map

[fierce pendant]

Actually given who's the elector count in Nuln I believe it lol

nah I was talking more lore wise

[plush mason]

well with a name like "the brass fortress" i say its fairly clear which dark god it was made for first lol

[fierce pendant]

Ye it was old chaos fortress

[vapid tiger]

The rest are the province capitals of each chaos waste, empire of zharr and norcan province as well as albion

And some others in the east

Oops

[fierce pendant]

ye

I wonder if Festus gonna have regen trait now

[vapid tiger]

Yeah festus starts there

[fierce pendant]

for defeating him

given Isabella can become a hero

[vapid tiger]

In immortal empires

[plush mason]

so nurgle took it from khorne i take it

[fierce pendant]

I think the old chaos fortress was undivided afaik. raised by one of the champions wearing the crown of domination?

Don't know though and I may as well be completely wrong

Festus just kinda nestled there cuz uh starting position reasons

Plus he was once a doctor in the Empire so I guess it fits

[plush mason]

yeah it may have been founded as an undivided fort but as brass is the holy metal of khorne its clear where they hoped to lean at least

[vapid tiger]

It seems festus will be a major empire antagonist in immortal empires yeah

[plush mason]

ofc

[vapid tiger]

Like instead of just sylvania being a problem it'll also be festus and KHAZRAK WOOOOOOOOOOO

[fierce pendant]

More things to give you that sweet sweet negative authority in campaign

[vapid tiger]

THEY FINALLY SWITCHED HIS STARTING POSITION WITH MORGHUR

[fierce pendant]

-5 negative authority in turn 5?

civil war?

No biggie

Friendship ended with karl franz, Indiana Jones Volkmar is my new friend

Gotta snatch all of Nagash's books from that nerd Arkhan

[plush mason]

wasnt volkmar the only reason franz became emperor in the first place?

[vapid tiger]

Yes

[fierce pendant]

Ye

He voted for him

[vapid tiger]

His vote broke the tie between him and toddy

[fierce pendant]

Was that deciding vote

ye

[vapid tiger]

Imagine how fucking insane emperor boris todbringer would be tho

[plush mason]

ofc the last thing the leader of sigmar's cult wanted as an ulric dog on the throne lol

[vapid tiger]

Yep

[fierce pendant]

That and Todbringer's obsession with getting Khazrak

;y

[plush mason]

ye

[vapid tiger]

When the yogscast parody of boris todbringer is accurate

[fierce pendant]

lmao

[vapid tiger]

"HE TOOK MY FUCKING EYE"

[plush mason]

lol

[fierce pendant]

I still love how he was strolling around the office

[vapid tiger]

"HAVE YOU SEEN KHAZRAK"

[fierce pendant]

and that clicking of his armor was causing everyone to turn their heads towards the noise

[vapid tiger]

I like how in the end times boris thought that khazrak was the real everchosen and ran off into the forests to kill him

And did before being ripped to shreds by khazrak's horde

[fierce pendant]

Sounds like something a Middenheimen would do

[vapid tiger]

m*ddenlanders 🤮

equivalent of nords in whf

[fierce pendant]

Where my Marius Leitdorf dlc

I want the best elecor count

and karl's crazy friend that sacrificed himself

I want to have a talking horse quest giver

CA pls

[plush mason]

i mean arent the people of middenheim the ultra conservatives of the empire?

[fierce pendant]

We got talking head in a jar

[fierce pendant]

Ulrikans ye

[vapid tiger]

Yes

[fierce pendant]

But they do have Teutoten guard so

they still slap

[vapid tiger]

chuds like those too tho.

[fierce pendant]

I spelled that wrong btw

[vapid tiger]

teutonic*

[fierce pendant]

yup

Ty

I always forget

[vapid tiger]

anyway they are cool

[fierce pendant]

the name

ye

[plush mason]

what do they look like?

[fierce pendant]

hammer boys

[vapid tiger]

they look like teutonic knights with hammers

[fierce pendant]

Space wolves without power armour and with hammers like ghal maraz but normal

in terms of haircut and beard ^

Also they worship big ass blue flame under the city

[plush mason]

hot damn they do

[vapid tiger]

hochland long rifle snipers tho

[fierce pendant]

yesss

[vapid tiger]

shoots off ur leg from 500 meters

[fierce pendant]

I still need Ironsides and The Death's Heads

[plush mason]

also they are like the greatswords but for the high priest of ulric it seems

[fierce pendant]

kinda

I'd assume they get added in the future

[plush mason]

cause iirc the greatswords are the bodyguards of the elector counts

[fierce pendant]

Given Toddy has a unique model

Plus CA like

comissioned a video

about em

on youtube

[plush mason]

they did?

[fierce pendant]

from a guy that does historical stuff normally

yeah

they did one for cathay too

Hold on

[vapid tiger]

Why doesn't clan fester just deploy warplock jezzails against the ubersreik five

did they spend all their warpstone on ratling guns

[fierce pendant]

cause uh

hero syndrome

[vapid tiger]

gameplay

gameplay is why

not fun to be sniped by a skaven across the map

[fierce pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM2crdc0wpc

It was like done before TWwh3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqTiYLdtONs

and sky fleet

There was also something for chaos I think

but I don't remember

[vapid tiger]

i think the skullcrushers

[fierce pendant]

ye that sounds about right

But ye Teutonic/ or like in the video Teutogen guard, is like close to chosen tier I think

Could be a bit below as I don't remember if they gain any blessings themselves

[spark relic]

Thumbnail gives me Fire Nation vibes

[fierce pendant]

But ye, CA comissioned these videos so I assume we'll see Teutogen guard one day

[fierce pendant]

kinda yeah lmao

[fierce pendant]

It works as a good excuse for extra DLC for empire, given the popularity, and additional rework to up their technology and campaign mechanics given that they start to appear dated again.

Though after Norsca and few dlcs of course, given Norsca needs help asap and people want chaos dorfs

[vapid tiger]

I need chaos dorfs

Chorfs

Especially since the chorf settlements in immortal empires are currently occupied by greenskins

Though them being called the "servants of zharr" fits

[fierce pendant]

prolly will take a bit longer than usual

given immortal empires are in beta, and they'll prolly kick things of with a unit pack dlc again

Actually wasn't dlc content path datamined

Nvm it's just advisor voicelines and txt files for chaos dwarfs dilemmas

[tender igloo]

chaos dwarfs will most likely be the first big race pack for warhammer 3 next year

i'm just happy that immortal empires + blood pack is coming next week

[rose thorn]

CSM/DA/Fallen question, does what side you wear your chapter symbol Pauldrons matter?

[plush mason]

if you really need a lore reason its likely due to clan fester not buying them from skryer

[vapid tiger]

Ya

I think fester is noted as being a pretty poor and shitty clan

But even a poor and shitty clan still has hundreds of thousands of rats to kill

Possibly millions

[plush mason]

yeah they blew all their budget on stormvermin ratling guns and warpfire throwers lol

and i guess globadiers but i imagine those are cheap

[vapid tiger]

they cannot afford him (he is mine)

Oh I forgot

Clan fester was in tww2 too

And presumably is in tww3 immortal empires?

[plush mason]

yes they are a minor faction

[vapid tiger]

Think they're in lustria in total war

[plush mason]

yes

or southlands

[vapid tiger]

Yeah one of those

fester flea! Kill it!

[plush mason]

iirc ehsen is in mordheim in TWWH2's mortal empires mode

the assassin rats

[tender igloo]

They are actually near the dragon isles in tww2 I think

[vapid tiger]

ya

in tww3 they're gonna be in cathay

[tired umbra]

Cathay is gonna be so chaotic in IE.

Which is good since it was so friggin easy on the normal campaign

[vapid tiger]

Sort of rn but it'll get more chaotic when the cathay dlc releases presumably sometime next year

Given that the warriors of chaos lord pack is FOUR chaos lords plus a free lord in the form of belakor I imagine the cathay one will have four cathay lords with 1 flc lord for either cathay or another faction

And given the lore ca and gw have given on cathay we know exactly who those four lords would be

The jade, fire and sea dragons plus the monkey king

[tired umbra]

I only await for Chaos Dwarves.

Because THAT part of the map is so empty.

[vapid tiger]

I wuv chorfs so same

I imagine their release is slated to coincide with the chorf aos release

Since gw has been strongly hinting at that

Espcially with the 2nd starting faction in the new warcry edition

The followers of hashut

[tired umbra]

Yeah they are coming. They found voicelines that confirm their existence ages ago.

[slender orchid]

Curious if they will be as busted in AoS or TWW as they were in WHFB

[plush mason]

"everyone was more impressed with the exulted hero of khorne than they where with Azzial in the Azzial trailer" -Zerkovich

i fully agree with him lol

[woven sandal]

I wonder if we're going to get TWAoS now.

[atomic pelican]

Probably eventually

But TWW3 has a lot longer to go

[tired umbra]

I am still holding out hope that the next Fatshark game is in AoS

Gloomtide

IT GOD DAMN WRITES ITSELF

GOBLINS ON DRUGS

MUSHROOMS

[woven sandal]

GROUND MARINES

[tired umbra]

You could have so many freaky deaky characters

You could have a Fyreslayer, a skink

ANYTHING

https://tenor.com/view/unintelligible-scott-steiner-wat-gif-14526127

[rose thorn]

A night haunt playable character

[grand minnow]

Greentide

[exotic mica]

Waaaaaagh!

[plush mason]

so is the lion waking up in the new edition of 40k or is that just click bait/speculation?

[final spruce]

Speculation so far

There was the leak but we dont know if its truthworthy yet

[plush mason]

i see

[plush mason]

gene seed iirc but far better than what the space marines have as their extra organs are grown in their bodies and not implanted

also their gene seed comes direct from the emperor himself

they also predate the thunder warriors and where the first super humans made by the emperor

that idk

the lexicanium is a good place to start for the lore

[grand minnow]

Is Roman Gillman and yivrane mostly just friends or is it entierly just "enemy of my enemy"

[cerulean wagon]

enemy of my enemy

[plush mason]

yeah which ofc means a lot of people ship them

ofc with most fandoms all it takes is 2 character not trying to kill each other for shipping to happen lol

[slender orchid]

I mean, the community did the same to Macha AND Taldeer. Third attractive eldar rolls up, it isn't a surprise.

Greyfax, Celestine, Sisters of Battle in general, 40k players are a thirsty lot.

Originally each Crux Terminatus on the terminator armors (the raised cross emblem) was supposed to have a tiny, almost microscopic fragment of the Emperor's armor. That got retconned a long time ago to "maybe a few of the first suits of Indomitus armor made on Terra after the siege, at the start of the Scouring". It was one reason why Terminator armor was treated so reverently and HAD to be recovered. Instead of just "its hard to make more", which was/is the current reason (though with Cawl around, you think it would be easier).

[woven sandal]

You think that not trying to kill each other is a requirement

[alpine ingot]

something something Kitten, something something Shadow Sun...

[plush mason]

wtf is an authorian inquisitor?

[woven sandal]

A normal one

[plush mason]

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8UnlOEUoi0

this is why i asked

the only 2 "schools" of thought i know of in the inquisition are puritan and radical. but what others are there?

[wind flicker]

heretical

[plush mason]

lol

[wind flicker]

also xenos

[plush mason]

thats the ordos not the philosophies

[wind flicker]

philosophy of love chaos

[novel fulcrum]

those are basically the two, puritans want to stamp out anything they think is even the very beginning of sedition, while radicals believe using the enemy's power against themselves is the key, generally speaking

i suppose if you want to be technical about it, there would also be the moderates

if your inquisitor isn't authoritarian, are they even an inquisitor?

[dense glen]

Custodes have auramite

[spark relic]

Ceramite and auramite comparison is like bronze and steel

simplified

Though auramite is far rarer

[dense glen]

There was a piece in one of the Horus Heresy books that had a custodes spar with a marine: it was a point that the custodes warning the marine that if the tip of the blade even scraped his armour he would have to kill him

Not because of the failure to let him get that close, but because of how precious the auramite is

[spark relic]

In the Alpharius primarch novel Valdor immediately tries to kill Alpharius when he sees him wearing Custode armour

It IS their first time meeting and Alphie did steal the suit but semantics

[slender orchid]

Had a SMALL AMOUNT to do with him basically staging an assassination of the Emperor

Just for funzies and practice, to show it could be done

[spark relic]

As proof that Big E's defenses were fallible

Yeah

[dense glen]

I think Horus proved that

[slender orchid]

Which he murdered a Custodes to prove

[dense glen]

Pft

[spark relic]

He knew a simple bolt round couldn't harm his father but still

[dense glen]

Pius forever

[spark relic]

It's the thought that matters

[slender orchid]

The massive amount of explosives might

[dense glen]

None of this custodes nonsense

[slender orchid]

Alpharius didn't know the Emperor was a Perpetual. He also rigged one of the wall guns. Dude was THOROUGH

[spark relic]

I love how Alphie easily holds his own against FUCKING CONSTANTIN VALDOR and then politely apologises about the inconvenience with the armour

[slender orchid]

Love his cockiness where he thought he could beat Valdor. Valdor, who was in full gear, vs him in just clothing with a stolen spear

[spark relic]

Yeah that's my favourite Primarchs novel hands down

[slender orchid]

Valdor later saying the equivalent of "PFFFFFT I knew who he was the whole time and toyed with him"

[spark relic]

Nah he also had auramite armour

[dense glen]

Alpha Legion the CIA of the Imperium

[spark relic]

CIA, FBI, KGB, SÄPO

Literally every shadow organisation

[dense glen]

"Whose side are the Alpha Legion on?"

"Yes."

[spark relic]

They sure are!

I also love the scene where ||Alpharius meets with the Lion without Lion knowing he was a primarch||

Bit of a spoiler but can't be too careful

[slender orchid]

Nah, unless whoever Guilliman killed wasn't Omegon disguised as a Alpharius, but a legionaire instead (weird blood thing the Alpha legion can do), then Alpha Legion are pretty solidly Chaos or renegades at best. No matter what the community want to meme them as

[hushed kayak]

literally called himself ||Alpharius||

[spark relic]

Yeah but he hadn't officially been found yet

[slender orchid]

Yeah, but that meant nothing to the lion. "Alpharius" wasn't a primarch to the Imperium yet

echo, echo, echo lol

[hushed kayak]

i find that boggling

[spark relic]

So Lion didn't know he was talking to his brother

[hushed kayak]

I’m still wondering if he truly meant what he said. ||That Lion should be the war master if Horus wasn’t chosen||

[spark relic]

Yeah it would have been a pretty good choice imo

[slender orchid]

Throughout the HH the brothers all toss around thoughts and suggestions. The frontrunners besides Horus, in the eyes of the other Primarchs were always the Lion and Sanguinius.

Weirdly Horus says the other lead candidate was Ferrus.

only one to say so

[spark relic]

Ferrus would not have wanted it, I think

[dense glen]

Sanguinius would have turned it down as well

[spark relic]

Same with many other Primarchs

[hushed kayak]

He wouldn’t have taken it funny enough

[dense glen]

The angel was super humble

[spark relic]

He's too humble to be warmaster

[slender orchid]

Lion definitely would have taken it

[spark relic]

Oh for sure

[hushed kayak]

without a doubt

[dense glen]

Rowboat Gorillaman could have taken it

[hushed kayak]

tho angron and perturabo. yeeesh

they believed they were worthy

[spark relic]

But Gullymain had too much on his galactic plate already

[dense glen]

Purely from a theoretical and practical output

[slender orchid]

My profile pic MAY indicate my bias. Or the paragraphs I have posted here. But Guilliman would have done great, I think

[dense glen]

His primarch book is cool

[spark relic]

I have not read it

I want to

[dense glen]

I also still need to read my fancy Valdor book..

[slender orchid]

Love how there are some primarchs that NO-ONE even entertains making Warmaster, even themselves.

[dense glen]

And 24 other 40k books

[spark relic]

The birth of the imperium one?

Lmao the best and worst feeling is to have two full shelves of unread books

33 unread

[slender orchid]

Weirdly was dissapointed by G-man's book. Was just reminiscing while they fought orcs. Compared to the other novels it felt.... weak. No revelations, no real shining moments, just meh