40k-lore-chat

[lunar notch]

Magic

[woven sandal]

Plasma weapons utilize the same technology as found in plasma reactors and drives: hydrogen fuel is held suspended in a photonic state, typically in a sturdy flask or backpack container, before being fed into the weapon's miniature fusion core and energised into a plasma state. This plasma is then contained by powerful magnetic fields until the weapon is fired, whereupon it is ejected via a linear magnetic accelerator to form a bolt of superheated matter in appearance and temperature much like a solar flare (giving rise to the nickname "sun gun").[1][2a][3][4][5] Upon impact tremendous energy is released akin to a small sun, destroying the target through searing heat and explosive shock in an almighty explosion.[1][2a]

[plush mason]

lol not surprising

[woven sandal]

Magic but with technology.

[lunar notch]

The other question is, why do they never seem to run out of fuel?

[woven sandal]

Running out of fuel would be less cool.

Although, you could just say that the plasma fuel is incredibly efficient, and what is depicted as "reloading" in most media that gives the plasma gun a "magazine" is in fact some sort of venting process that has to occur every X shots or even in standard mode the gun would overload.

Ignore that the gun is allowed to overload at all. That's not important.

[plush mason]

tbf thats more to do with the devs not giving the plasma gun it's own animation set from what i have seen

[woven sandal]

According to Lexicanum, Plasma fuel flasks are only good for 10 shots normally.

But they cite it from the 3rd ed rulebook which is really old, so I choose to ignore that because it's old.

[lunar notch]

It also doesn't match up with literally any depiction.

[woven sandal]

That too.

But it's funnier to say that it's because it's old.

[lunar notch]

It is true though. A lot of stuff from that era is... tenuous at best in its validity nowadays. Sure, a great deal has only been cemented over and over again throughout the years but then you get stuff like that.

[woven sandal]

The magnetic containment field is difficult to maintain or replace, and if it fails the plasma within can become unstable and cause a catastrophic meltdown. Plasma fuel flasks are also only good for ten shots normally and cannot be reused, requiring a time-consuming process to swap them out with fresh flasks.[1]

Here's the bit Lexicanum says.

But yeah, I agree.

Also, later presumably canon sources like the FFG RPGs directly contradict that.

[plush mason]

that sounds like a horrid weapon to have in battle. 10 shots max and it takes a long time to reload. oh and it can literally go nuclear if you use it wrong.

[woven sandal]

Yes. A lot of old lore kinda gets into a grimderp place I've found.

A lot of it is sick af, but a lot of it is also fucking stupid.

Anyway, on that bombshell. I'm going to bed.

[slender orchid]

Newer stuff still has limited shots, but less so. There was ?Treadheads?, and one section in a Gaunt book with Leman Russ Executioners saying things like the plasma reserve was low. Think it is mentioned in Warlord or Titanicus too.

The older or better plasma pretty much only goes boom if you overcharge it. The only ones you have to worry about standardly going crit 1 were IG and SM plasma pre-Cawl.

And an antitank/armor weapon that is the same dimensions as a normal gun, no recoil, pinpoint accuracy is amazing. Especially since it can be explosive and set off fuel or ammo reserves.

Compared to panzerschrects, tread feathers, RPGs, or Javelins a plasma rifle is great. Lascannon is just better

Like, if a CSM is coming at you and you are poor loyal guardsman, do you want your lasrifle? Or the gun that has a 1/6 chance of killing you, but will definitely mess up the CSM?

[barren tapir]

Lol, yeah, about that... Well, now lasguns has recoils lololololol

BTW, autoguns and lasguns has been stated to be on the same level for killing potential

[vast frigate]

[barren tapir]

Wow, the fist lore has just gone deeper in awful territory

[vast frigate]

I can now dream of my marine partner.

[lunar notch]

I wish that I had somehow had a say in modernizing 40k for things like this. Ceramite is tough, but a krak grenade can still kill a Marine. There's no reason why virtually any modern anti-tank missile couldn't obliterate someone in power armor. The ones in 40k are more or less stuck in the 1980's, so yeah, they ought to be able to. No reason you couldn't just stick a krak grenade at the end of a cheap rocket with a tracking cogitator.

Basically, Cawl shoulda given the Mark X armor some form of active protection system.

[vapid tiger]

fragile marines best marines

i like it when the marines get their arms chopped off and holes blown through them and go "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

and dIE

[plush mason]

are the custodies gauntlets just thick leather gloves with some plate armor bolted to the forearm?

[storm jungle]

Its just leather over their armor

they wear golden power-suits

[plush mason]

k

[vapid tiger]

https://preview.redd.it/hrz0yx572at11.jpg?auto=webp&s=8eeb38f49b8b5ac8b0c691aa490466190cd34adc

They are based off this guy from 2000ad

Torquemada, leader of Termight, the future earth where the entire world is one literal hive fueled by religious extremism, xenophobia and militarism with no regard for individuality or freedom

[storm jungle]

k

[plush mason]

k

[final spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/k-discord-discord-k-orange-k-spinning-k-k0r8z-gif-22812675

[vapid tiger]

He is opposed by Nemesis the Warlock, an agent of Khaos and a fire breathing demonic alien sorcerer

This is the good guy

(This was made before 40k)

i am not making this shit up.

Ofc the custodes are only originally based off of torquemada's visual design, though you can see the parallels with termight and the imperium

And terra itself

then later with visions of heresy gw redesigned them to look like golden marines, but keeping the halberds and pointy helmets

[storm jungle]

k

[vapid tiger]

It is also canon that torquemada is the reincarnation of hitler

Hence him acting out above during what amounts to a spirit walk through his previous lives

[slender orchid]

All depends on the author. Ceramite in the RPG and tabletop books is a kind of unobtainium ceramic metal composite with ridiculously high heat and energy displacement. In the books it sometimes seems little better than cast steel.

Kind of moot I guess, because pretty much all more modern books seem to make out that the flex sections of armor can be cut through by frag grenades or autogun fire. Doesn't matter how strong the plates are, if the joints are that weak any explosion would tear limbs off or at least severely damage soft tissues/break bones.

[lunar notch]

Knights of Macragge literally has some dude with a regular ass sword stab straight through the rubber membrane.

[plush mason]

is that the bit covering their lower torso?

[vapid tiger]

It's the black bits on the armor

The undersuit

[lunar notch]

It's the joints.

Even in the newer lore they describe it as just being made of rubber.

[plush mason]

dont space marines have almost paranatural levels of speed and reflexes normally

[proven cove]

Yes, although depending on the individual marine/writing plot armor it varies.

[plush mason]

yeah

seems marines are kind of like doom slayer. they are as strong or weak as the plot demands

[proven cove]

essentially. The baseline reflex for standard marines is still ridiculous though

[lunar notch]

The other thing is the auto-senses.

A lot of writers have taken the auto-senses to offer a kind of auto-targeting.

[proven cove]

yeah reacting without thought. Some of the named characters dueling use this, multiple blows in the space between seconds.

[lunar notch]

Where if the suit detects an enemy, it'll just whirl the arms of the Marine to aim the Bolter directly at the enemy and all they need to do is pull the trigger.

[lunar notch]

Eisenhorn does this at one point when ||fighting Quixos.||

[proven cove]

with barbisater?

[lunar notch]

Yeah

He says they exchanged 20 blows in the span of a single breath.

[plush mason]

like how did he even count them?

[proven cove]

I like to imagine that the toll on a non astartes doing that kind of physical activity has pretty nast consequences

[lunar notch]

He's psy-attuned to the blade.

[plush mason]

ah

[lunar notch]

It undoubtedly does, Moose.

[proven cove]

imagine your knees in the morning lmao

[lunar notch]

Recall in Ravenor.

The second book.

With Enuncia and that one guy's heavy uses it to fight the brass daemon.

He's basically just killing himself in an attempt to keep up.

[proven cove]

enuncia is cool because it has a cost to play with it, so just anyone cant abuse this new powerful thing introduced in the canon

[lunar notch]

Indeed, I really like the idea.

[plush mason]

i assume this brass daemon is a demon of khorne of some kind?

[proven cove]

probably but there are unaligned entities in the warp too

[plush mason]

k

[lunar notch]

I can't recall if the book goes into that. I haven't read it in well over a decade.

[plush mason]

understood

[slender orchid]

No real affiliation given for the Brass Assassin. Just kind of a warp entity. Could be any of the 3 besides Nurgle or just unaffiliated.

It's almost a daemon engine. A little pyramid that unfolds into a entity. Kills with blades, because Warhammer. The brass suddenly becomes super strong as it tanks multiple shots. Doesn't really talk.

[plush mason]

why does khorne have such a hard on for brass?

of all the metals why brass is basically what im asking

[lunar notch]

Brass was the metal of the first armies. Perhaps that's why.

[slender orchid]

Think you mean bronze?

brass would be terrible for weapons

honestly never thought of it, seems to have stumped most people (from a quick google search). One guy has a theory that it is because brass = shell casings?

[woven sandal]

Also, Brass meaning leaders in an army.

[slender orchid]

slaps head

Or could be a reference to City of Brass from the Arabian Nights, where djinn dwell

or the Brass bull

Honestly looking at stuff brass was used in a religious context to denote wildness or strength for a long time.

[plush mason]

brass was used in some armors

[slender orchid]

As a trim or accent

[plush mason]

iirc alexander himself had a brass helmet

[woven sandal]

Which TBF is where it's used on Khornates too.

[plush mason]

yeah

[slender orchid]

Bronze. The phygian helmets were Bronze

[plush mason]

he didnt wear a phygian tho

he had his own special helmet

[slender orchid]

.... Would you care to link anything backing that up?

[plush mason]

this is his

[slender orchid]

No, it isn't

[plush mason]

thats the only one i have ever seen him with so my mistake

[slender orchid]

The closest thing we have to confirmed, from his sarcophagus and texts, were the Boeotian cavalry helmets, if he didn't wear a phygian like 90% of his army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeotian_helmet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_helmet

That kind of helmet is a theatrical repo started by Romans. Greeks didn't go out for that level of ornamentation until a long time later. Romans were HUGE on ornamentation, but it would be gold, brass, silver, or even bone gilding over the actual piece.

[lunar notch]

Not actually correct

The idea of Alexander wearing a lion's helmet comes from a 4th century BC statue of him

[slender orchid]

Even the weird gold repro gets it wrong

The idea of the statue is to depict Alexander as Heracles

Who famously wore a lion skin headdress

really common

[plush mason]

headdress? i thought it was just a pelt he wore on his shoulders

[slender orchid]

I may be wrong to say headdress, but I haven't ever seen it secured to shoulders or anything by a pin, so it kinda just sits on their head.

[lunar notch]

Alexander was known to be vain. I don't doubt that he wore more practical things during battle, but the man also did use some impractical shit like a shield that he thought came from Achilles.

[plush mason]

iirc he wore it as his only armor cause it was completely indestructible

so maybe it covered his head

[slender orchid]

The shield was still a good shield though

[lunar notch]

Eh. I also think he took a girdle from his visit.

Which did fail him.

And nearly got him killed from an arrow.

It's also not impossible that he had armor made for parade.

[plush mason]

but anyway i guess khorne favors brass due to its long history in war

hell we still use brass in some medals to this day

[plush mason]

hell give how bat shit crazy he went near the end i wouldnt doubt he thought himself immortal and wore a shiny and near worthless helmet like this brass lion at some point lol

[slender orchid]

Brass wasn't used for war was my point though. Brass and Bronze existed at the same time. Bronze is what was used for weapons, armor, and tools. Brass was used for arts, statues, instruments, decoration. Both are copper alloys. Brass is copper and zinc, bronze is copper and tin.

[plush mason]

i mean. brass was used for many medals and pins afaik. the romans famously waring giant balls of it on their chests lol

and i doubt GW would look much father back in history than rome for stuff like this

[slender orchid]

eh, it looks good with red

[plush mason]

that is likely the main reason yes

[slender orchid]

This has also led me to rediscover the big Brass Scorpions of Khorne which feel so random. Cool, but random. Haven't seen one on the table in at least five years.

[mellow trail]

Yall remember Ahriman?

[lunar notch]

He's a chump

[storm jungle]

He's a chad

[tender igloo]

he's a pretty cool guy

[errant pike]

silly little goofball

likes to play around

effectively killing 90% of his legion

[twin shoal]

appears
kills 90% of his legion
does not elaborate
leaves

[spark relic]

I still prefer Khayon

[vapid tiger]

Me when black legion book 3 releases

[slender orchid]

To his (dumb) credit they WERE dying already from turning into goop and Chaos Spawn.

Ahriman is the source of my favorite Ygraine moment, besides resurrecting Papa Smurf.

When she meets him in the Webway and heals some Rubricae marines, and they start talking, remembering, and Ahriman has feelings in his cold black soul, then she reverses it and turns them to dust before tossing him out of a rip. I wish people did artwork of what his expression had to be. Priceless.

[vapid tiger]

I need to get around to reading the John French ahriman books

[slender orchid]

The trilogy? it is decent-good. It is almost entirely about ahriman getting his groove back and re-establishing himself. The guy basically moped for close to 8 thousand years after the initial Rubricae.

[spark relic]

I think one of my top 3 favourite psyker moments is in the beginning of the first book in the trilogy

When Ahriman ||unleashes his full power after so long and realizes how unreasonably powerful he is||

[slow prawn]

Also in the last book,|| Doombreed gets into a wrestling match with a corrupted Imperator Titan of Tzeentch ||

[rose thorn]

Anyone excited for all 2 sentences of new daemon lore that gonna be in the new codex

Wouldn’t be surprised if they start ctrl c ctrl v some of AOS daemon lore

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

i wish this was a joke but its literally what they do with the 9th edition codexes so far

[rose thorn]

I think eldar got alot of lore in their new codex but I’m not sure

[storm jungle]

Kinda

some new but mostly recycled

[rose thorn]

Oh

Well that’s why I say we need a daemon POV audio drama

[brittle coral]

Actually iirc Ahriman's rubric would have actually worked if it wasn't for the interference of Lucius the Eternal altering the ritual

[spark relic]

It was Iskandar Khayon who fucked it, wasn't it?

At least that's what the Black Legion books tell me

But yes, if whoever interfered hadn't done that it most likely would have worked

[storm jungle]

It was literally everyone

but primarily Tzeentch-the-Snitch™️

its heavily implied he was the one that fucked with it the most

[spark relic]

That makes perfect sense how did I not realise

[storm jungle]

It was even us, the readers and mindless consumers

we like seeing these cartoon toymen suffer

[spark relic]

So what you're saying is that in order to stop it from happening we need to stop consuming products?

Guess it'll happen again

Ahriman's Rubric part 2: Electric Boogaloo

"It's just the way it is" says local rubric marine when questioned about the results of the first rubric ritual

[tawdry walrus]

shut up or I´ll get the dust pan!

• Ahriman, probably

[sweet abyss]

Keep talking like that and I'm putting you in the naughty Rubric vacuum - Ahriman, definitely

[tawdry walrus]

all is dust! - rubric marine, inside the aforementioned warp pow(d)ered dustpan / rubric vacuum

[spark relic]

But his voice is muffled and he's banging his fist against the side of the vacuum like: All is dust and so am I!

[sweet abyss]

Lord of the dust

[lunar notch]

Listening to The Magos audiobook

There is a flub 36 and a half minutes into the Missing In Action short story

Toby realizes he messed up a line and corrects himself

[spark relic]

I thought they would have just edited out any mistakes

Fun little detail for the audio listeners

Makes the readers themselves seem more human when that happens

[shadow plover]

most likely they do edit them quite a bit but that one just happened to slip past the editorial team, shit happens

[vapid tiger]

they are space raccoons

[errant pike]

🤓

[vapid tiger]

there are no wolves on fenris

leman russ was just too stupid to see the difference between wolves and raccoons

[broken bridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/widszo/veterans_of_the_long_war/

i like this a lot

except "machine violator" sounds beyond wrong

[grand minnow]

I mean the mechanicus have been in game for a while

[heady kite]

FOR THE EMPERIOR

[storm jungle]

no

[spark relic]

Nah

[vapid tiger]

Begone

[rose thorn]

If I was making a fallen proxy army, would I use dark angels or CSMs?

[plush mason]

where the do people of cadia live now?

are they just scattered to the 4 corners of the imperium?

[plucky moth]

Pretty much

[plush mason]

figures

[lunar notch]

DA in Fallen colors

[rose thorn]

nice ight

run the fallen as the vets

yeee ight

only downside i can see is the SC is the opposite of what i want

[rose thorn]

OH FFS gw website let me search for firstborn key word units

[faint fog]

Will Dan Abnett also release a novel to go along with DarkTide?

If not, pretty please?

[spark relic]

He might

I mean, he does love writing

[plush mason]

damn these things are ugly. do the horrors look like this in 40k?

[atomic pelican]

Ye

Daemons p much look the same across settings

[plush mason]

thought so

also. i cant help but get the impression that daemon princes just arent as rare as they should be

why are the dragons of Cathay so different from the dragons in the rest of the warhammer fantasy world?

[atomic pelican]

Different species iirc

One of the TWW devblogs talked abt them a bit

I believe theyre distantly related

[plush mason]

i see

[lunar notch]

I wish that there weren't so many different versions of photography in 40k

[buoyant owl]

Why?

[lunar notch]

It confuses the setting. I am working through The Magus and there are four different kinds mentioned just between a few short stories.

[buoyant owl]

Fair enough

It doesn’t really make sense why there are that many tbf

[lunar notch]

The real problem, IMO, is that no one explains the differences between them. Except for holo-lithography where Abnett explains in detail how it works but doesn't really explain why you would use it. Point of fact, it sounds pretty subpar.

[spark relic]

I mean people still use really old camera equipment to get a specific look or feel

I always thought that was why there were so many

It depends on the users preferences

[storm jungle]

This tbh

don't know why its a big problem. It's realistic, people will find different iterations of a single method of something all the time

[final spruce]

Logic ? In my 40k universe ?

[storm jungle]

I mean

half of 40k books is using throwaway sci-fi words

don't expect explanations

[spark relic]

Yeah, same thing with recording equipment. Some people have actual handheld cameras and recording devices and some have implants and bionics that do it for them

[storm jungle]

Yep pretty much.

[spark relic]

And some people prefer to draw and write poetry about what they see and learn

It all comes down to preference

[shadow plover]

especially if it's Abnett we're talking about, he made up half of the lexicon used in 40k today

[cunning wigeon]

So we know the Swarmlord uses terror tactics, with it being said that it is silent until it feels its opposition would be most terrified of its roar e.g. After it lifted the broken corpse of a high ranking marine above the other ranks so it could be seen, but is the swarmlord the only nid to see value in sewing fear or are there other cases of tyrants or warriors doing something similar?

[spark relic]

There are terror troops that are deployed ahead of the swarm to sow discord and fear so that the defenders can't operate to the same level as they would if they were organized and, ya know, not scared shitless

I can't remember what they're called though

There's also a Tyranid bioform that uses psychic abilities to mess with those it fights

And that one thing that digs through the ground like an angry worm and bursts out when least expected to wreak havoc behind enemy lines

[lunar notch]

Lictor

[spark relic]

That's the one, thanks

[lunar notch]

There's a story, can't remember the name, about Nids invading some planet and one of the PoVs is from a Lictor.

And it hunts down the planetary governor.

[spark relic]

Is the Lictor the one that can become invisible?

I'm reading The Book of Martyrs and there's an invisible nid that hunts battle sisters

[lunar notch]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Theres also a Lictor POV in the Memevastation of Baal

doesn't have any governors in it but thought id mention 😔

[plush mason]

wasnt there a named lictor as well?

the red terror or something like that

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Terror

ah it was a ravener

[cunning wigeon]

deathleper is a named lictor

[plush mason]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Deathleaper

[plush mason]

and thats the one i was thinking about

[rose thorn]

So who is cypher and what is he trying to do????

Last I’ve heard he’s rallying up what ever remains of the fallen

Wait is cypher and the dark angels just

Where in the world is carman Sandiego

[storm jungle]

Yes

but Cypher is just a dumb character written for the sake of mystery

he has his own agenda that we dont know and just uses everyone

no lore beyond that

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Cypher

[rose thorn]

Turns out

CYPHER IS ACTUALLY OMEGON MWAHAHHAHA

[spark relic]

That would not surprise me at all

[rose thorn]

Lmao yeah, did he even exist pre horus heresy? Or even the betrayal?

Idk much about him but he does look cool as shit

[storm jungle]

Read the page i posted nerd

[wind flicker]

No

[storm jungle]

[wind flicker]

https://c.tenor.com/DeMBN0i6NRwAAAAM/opossum-cute.gif

[rose thorn]

Oh cools it’s like that one alpha legion guy

Where it’s a title

And not a perosn

I guess that makes sense especially with the agent of chaos key word

[unique berry]

Corswain would slap him 👀

[storm jungle]

Cool

[unique berry]

Just joking how yall foin benn a minute since i was here

[broken bridge]

What SM chapters have a really cool color scheme

[spark zenith]

the Retributors

[storm jungle]

Rainbow Warriors 😎

[broken bridge]

wtf is that bolter

[storm jungle]

Old design

[broken bridge]

i do like hawk lords

[tender igloo]

Kinda basic but ultramarines do have a really good color scheme

Look, blue with gold accents really work for me

[spark relic]

That's why they're the poster boys

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[broken bridge]

silver skulls looks pretty good

[spark zenith]

Celestial lions

[shadow plover]

that's no ultramarine

it's the based marines

[broken bridge]

flesh tearers and doom eagles

[spark zenith]

I raise you to gold with blue

[broken bridge]

damn they trying to muscle in on the custodes?

[spark zenith]

I mean, you’ve got to look dapper when the inquisition is trying wipe out your entire chapter

[atomic pelican]

Lions are too based to be custodes

[broken bridge]

wuh why

also i like these 2

[spark relic]

They probs want a measure of independence or something

Obviously unacceptable

[spark zenith]

Because they talked shit about the inquisition after they bombarded a planet they had just liberated from orbit as they were leaving

[spark relic]

Yeah

As I said

Unacceptable

No one talks back to the Inquisition

[broken bridge]

yeeesh

[tender igloo]

World eaters is also a good scheme

Both 40k and heresy

[spark relic]

Honestly, I like the Minotaurs

100% brass is a very good colour scheme

[spark zenith]

I like the retributors

Fave chapter

[spark relic]

Based choice

[spark zenith]

Glad they are canon

[broken bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92zE8lttcc8

[lyric ember]

does the imperium ever formally declare war?

or do they just

attack

[sweet abyss]

I think its the fleet admiral at the time.

They just say some long list of shit about the Imperium and then declare war between the Imperium and whoever they are fighting.

Then once word gets back to the Administorum or Inquisition, they just say 'Oh, another one to add to the war list.' or something.

[lyric ember]

m'kay

also ive just thought of this, is there a warband/klan of orks that do that so they get better fights

[sweet abyss]

I mean, the Krorks used to do that, but thats like, 60 million years ago in 40k terms.

Back when the Krorks were sort of just disintegrating their empire at the end of the War in Heaven, tactics were probably employed to get the best fight possible before they lost the knowledge on how to strategize well.

[spark zenith]

You don’t have to declare was if you are always in a constant state of war

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

A lot less paperwork

[storm jungle]

Is this said anywhere?

because Kroks don't almost have any lore lol

[sweet abyss]

Only scraps which you gather from any lore you find in the War in Heaven.

[storm jungle]

So basically none.

[sweet abyss]

Dont have any specific places for you to look, but it is implied that Krorks are both stronger, smarter and more technologically advanced.

[storm jungle]

aside from "They wore power armor and were big."

Yeah thats kind of it.

[sweet abyss]

I believe some of the books hint that Krorks did have generals and they did be somewhat smart but I could be wrong on that.

[storm jungle]

Trust me if that was legit it'd be in the lexi

those guys scrape any info on obscure stuff like that

[atomic pelican]

May the War of Heaven never be expanded upon

As HH shouldve stayed

God itd be a hideous mess if they tried.

Though the idea of Gw trying desperately to console Necrons losing with lulztech tier stuff would be funny

[storm jungle]

The War in Heaven will never be explored simply because it has xenos and no humans

HOW CAN YE MAKE IMPERIAL MINIS IN SUCH CONDITIONS?

GIVE THE ALIEN FANBASES ATTENTION???

God forbid I tell ye

[spark zenith]

I like how it’s just this massive mystery that we only get little bits about

I hope it stays like that

[storm jungle]

The Horus Heresy was like that too

once

It was literally a tiny box of text

[atomic pelican]

Yep

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745324840097153167/850811155386859580/unknown.png?width=557&height=597

[spark zenith]

Imagine losing like 80% of your empire to your bald son called Horus lol

[atomic pelican]

I do kind of wish we had more on the Aeldari since the basic gist we know is like, gigapsychic tier since someone like Eldrad is considered to be only good POST FALL compared to the empire

Which sets up the implication thar Eldar psykers were insanely busted

[spark zenith]

Idk man I just uhh

Really like the imperium ya know?

[storm jungle]

Death by iron bull

step inside this hole please

https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/brazen-bull-photo.jpg

[spark zenith]

You mean
Brazen bull?

[storm jungle]

Same thing

now step into the hole or else

[spark zenith]

[storm jungle]

[final spruce]

I wonder who makes such memes

[spark zenith]

Sigma imperials

[final spruce]

Actually nevermind

That's the real good use of the chad meme

[storm jungle]

Yeah they really blew up all those worlds

[final spruce]

I miss when the chad meme was for terrible takes

[storm jungle]

Same

[grizzled grove]

what's with the bolts, or coins, or whatever in Titus' head?

[shadow plover]

service studs

indicate time served

[spark zenith]

They mark every century served

Each one

[grizzled grove]

aah

seems like it's been a while since SM1, eh?

[final spruce]

irc he only had 1 in SM1

[spark zenith]

He’s a primaris now

[woven sandal]

2

[spark zenith]

Wew

Shame he didn’t do anything about that atrocious hairline

[storm jungle]

It's just normal short hair

Do you want the raven guard emocut?

[woven sandal]

Give him a bowl cut

[storm jungle]

AAAA

[spark zenith]

Ah nevermind

That’s a scar

[storm jungle]

Oh you meant that

yeah

[spark zenith]

in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only bad hairlines

[final spruce]

I mean, makes sense SM would have terrible haircut

Atleast most of em

Their hormones are out of wack and they are killing machines, not trying to look good

[spark zenith]

Not the blood angels, those guys have the most luscious locks in the galaxy

Makes up for the red thirst

[woven sandal]

Space Marines aren't really depicted as being unattractive very often. At least, loyalist ones aren't.

[final spruce]

They used to but not anymore yeah

[barren bridge]

that was rough in amnesia dark descent

[spark zenith]

I just imagine that every blood angel looks like attractive squidward, with long, silky blonde hair

[atomic pelican]

Gw allergic to hair

[rose thorn]

The most marine marines to ever marine

[errant pike]

sevatar was a baddie

like damn man

i'm straight but whew

[mossy thorn]

Gentlemen

I present to you the most horrifying place to make your homeworld

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Birmingham

[vapid tiger]

Yeah it's from rt

Also

you will get stabbed there

just like irl

[unique berry]

expected

[atomic pelican]

Love the city names and such from the ttrpgs

Port Suffering remains my favorite

[unique berry]

What a welcoming name

[broken bridge]

ok i think i actually found my favorite schemes

[rose thorn]

So question, how does Ephrael Stern & Kyganil of the Bloody Tears like being warlord of your sisters army translate to lore?

Are there’s sisters who specifically follow them?

Or do they just tag team with any old sisters?

Or are you just not supposed to run them like that

[storm jungle]

Eph and Kyganil are just a duo

even in the appearance of Stern in one sotryline last year she is mistrusted by a lot of sisters bu they fight her knowing she still is doing sort of the right thing

[final spruce]

Ay Mantis Warriors back

I thought they were abandoned back in 2004 or something

[dry epoch]

I know there’s a Mantis Warrior in a Deathwatch squad

[slender orchid]

Nah, they've just been fairly quiet since the Badab wars and almost getting wiped

[spark zenith]

i wonder how big a Mantis grows on their homeplanet, big enough to warrant a chapter named after them

[final spruce]

By that I meant that the last source we had mentioning em before the Primaris update was from 2004 or 2006according to the Lexi

[storm jungle]

That and no Chapter is wiped unless the lore says so

so not that important to consider

[rose thorn]

Aren’t the astra claws wiped out but they still have table top rules ?

[dry epoch]

They just rebranded as the Red Corsairs, didn’t they?

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are red corsairs

astral claws are no more

[plush mason]

are there any custodian psykers?

[final spruce]

Nope

[plush mason]

to say he was one big e sure didnt like having other psykers around it seems

save for malcador ofc

also isnt that a bit of a handicap for them combat wise?

[final spruce]

It is yeah, which is why they are paired with the Sisters of Silence

It allows them to deal with threats like daemons and psykers, where not being a psyker yourself doesn't help you fighting them

[spark zenith]

God-Emperor help them if they have to fight the harlequins

[plush mason]

i see

[storm jungle]

Custodian psykers dont exist because the lore says they dont

Its usually the case for most things and as Zher said its to make them easier to work as an army with the Sisters of Silence

[vapid tiger]

space marines do not exist

they are FAN FICTION

a scifi recreation of the highly original stormcast eternals from aos, the superior setting

[plush mason]

lmao

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[spark zenith]

Sounds like grade-A Tau copium

[vapid tiger]

i am not a tau player

[plush mason]

its AoS copium

so even stronger stuff than tau copium 😛

[wind flicker]

You should be

[atomic pelican]

Badab had like

A gazillion chapters involved and the only important one that came out of it was the red corsairs

[proper helm]

Granted it was a nice way to have a bunch of minor chapters do something of note

[vapid tiger]

aos good.

[prisma lark]

current rules are better than 40k, at the very least

[plush mason]

oh i was talking about the stormcast>space marines thing lol

[vapid tiger]

it's true though.

[plush mason]

i kind of agree tbh

[limber pivot]

the imperial army is cooler

[lyric ember]

so not 40k, but like do slayers just get bored and fuck off or do they have a vision from whomever grimnir is or is it something else that makes them decide to emulate the phrase "we can both lose"

[fair ravine]

jesus christ this old artwork is DISGUSTING

this gives me like, california raisin vibes

[woven sandal]

Old 40k artwork is super hit or miss.

[rose thorn]

I honestly kinda love it

[fair ravine]

its so wackily rancid

[woven sandal]

Old Termies were Spheres with arms and legs apparently.

[limber pivot]

it looks nice doesn't look bad or terrible imo

[atomic pelican]

Behold the Orb Marines

[ember beacon]

Fun fact about space hulk. Back in 1st edition you could play any faction you wanted. It wasn't just Terminators and Gene stealers

[barren bridge]

this is what happens when you dont thin your paints

[storm jungle]

Grimnir is their patron god and Slayers can usually go do what they want yeah

Their mission is to find something worthy to kill or be killed by in battle

people show them as too suicidal but they are basically like the Ebony Warrior from skyrim who is simply seeking for a worthy opponent

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

A longer a slayer has lived usually the more enemies they have killed like dragons, demons and such, but those types are super rare

[spark relic]

The best (or worst) slayer is Gotrek as he survived the end of the Old World which would have been the ultimate slayer death

His story is so damn sad

[storm jungle]

Also being betrayed by the god he venerated

which is LOL

[dry epoch]

Not gonna lie, I’m tired today and read this as ‘when you don’t thin your pants’ and I was just wondering how that worked.

[slender orchid]

Gotrek wasn't betrayed, he was failed by Grimnir. Big difference. Grimnir gave Gotrek EXACTLY what every Slayer wants. He gave him the mightiest doom. Grimnir gave his own doom to Gotrek, so he could go fight to save the world. He royally failed.

The whole bit where Gotrek's axe is the other Axe of Grimnir and has been slowly making him some kind of ur-dwarf, or mini Grimnir is the cool bit for AoS. Gotrek is to Grimnir what Abaddon is to Horus. In AoS Grimnir is dead, Gotrek is there. Long live the Doom Seeker.

If the 40k community joke is "Fuck Erebus" (really Kor Phaeron was the one who mucked it all up), Fantasy's is incoherent rage at Mannfred Von Carstein

[cunning wigeon]

and now there are an entire faction of dwarves that are effectively mini Gotreks, all imbued with a smidgen of Grimnirs power

[slender orchid]

And they worship Gotrek. And he hates it. Glorious

[cunning wigeon]

still curious what happened to the rest of the dwarves in AoS, the fact that most aside from Kharadrons and Fyreslayers just kinda vanished is super weird

[storm jungle]

He was pretty much betrayed

it doesnt really make a difference either as it was a dick move

[slender orchid]

They didn't? They just got driven from their holds and homes, "Dispossessed". They are all over the place in cities

[cunning wigeon]

the real chad dwarf of the end times was Ungrim anyway

[prisma lark]

working with CoS I believe?

[storm jungle]

Legit.

[cunning wigeon]

slept on really

[storm jungle]

Gotrek is pretty much a mary sue but people venerate the shit out of him since hes a dwarf so lol

[cunning wigeon]

yeah whereas Ungrim actually tried leading a defence, struggled because of stupid dwarven honour and the fact he was a slayer, still became an avatar of Ashqy anyway and then went out in a literal blaze of glory

[dry epoch]

WHF dwarf rage is real

[spark zenith]

Me after reading ‘the last church’

[cunning wigeon]

his final act being to challenge the chaos gods to try and take his soul

[slender orchid]

A powerful character, who fails and loses everything they care about, in a setting where mortals become God's is... Not a Mary Sue

[storm jungle]

He is

a mary sue

I read literally all his books

his failings are low at best and are basically nothing

[cunning wigeon]

some order faction losing a battle...then a Gotrek appears

unless it's the Idoneth because everyone else fuckin hates them lol

[storm jungle]

They are just aquaboys

[cunning wigeon]

[storm jungle]

doing aquathings

[cunning wigeon]

the angst over powers them

[storm jungle]

also shooting fish at people

Piranha 2 style

[cunning wigeon]

until you get to Fuethan who just er like to commit war crimes and atrocities raid a bit much

[storm jungle]

He does a bit of trolling

[cunning wigeon]

like Anakin with the raiders...even the women and children

[cunning wigeon]

its an entire enclave, they just massacre everyone because ashqy has made them ultra violent

[storm jungle]

Idoneth are more or so "What if Dark Eldar but morally justifiable"

compared to uh

"Im gonna skin you alive and put your skin on the front of my raider because I hate you"

[cunning wigeon]

yeah, aside from Fuethan who are complete psychos the Idoneth are pretty reasonable

[storm jungle]

that and like

[cunning wigeon]

it is mentioned that the Fuethan raid even if they cannot physically hold any more souls

[storm jungle]

literally every warhammer faction

needs to have some subfaction whos entire deal is

"WE ARE CRAZY, WE KILL EVERYONE"

[cunning wigeon]

youd think it would be Dhom Hain because they live in Ghur but nah, they just give themselves fanged teeth and claws

and their thralls tend to be savage because you know...orc souls

[storm jungle]

alas the shrooms are too strong

[cunning wigeon]

but because of how plentiful orcs are they dont like raiding other civilisations and think the super arrogant idoneth enclaves are too busy smelling their own farts to actually help anyone

so they just kinda vibe in ghur with super cool sea beasties

[cunning wigeon]

hmmm, Drycha, all of the DoK, Ivory Host, Bonesplitterz, Fuethan...yeah you are pretty much right

[storm jungle]

Yeaaah

i guess its for tabletop players that want more aggressive options as an army

[cunning wigeon]

think the only real exception is kharadrons and that is because love of money too strong

[storm jungle]

Yeee

even 40k factions got all these stereotypes but like i said its prob for tabletop reasons which is fair

that and its easy to excuse sub-factions with psychopathic tendencies when its warhammer

[cunning wigeon]

in AoS the blatantly psycho factions tend to end up being wiped out something when all the other factions just refuse help

unless it is the blatantly psycho ones doing the trolling

[storm jungle]

fr fr

[wind flicker]

@storm jungle

Which nightlord has the most kissable abs

[storm jungle]

Probably Sevatar

he's a scarred boyo

[cunning wigeon]

was there even a single loyalist night lord?

[storm jungle]

Uhhhh

ı dont think so since literally almost every Night Lord recruit given to the legion is like a serial killer/r*pist and overall horrible people

Curze never bothered liquidating the bad parts of his legion

so it became incredibly corrupt

[cunning wigeon]

yeah like even Kurze thought his legion didnt actually care about why they were doing terror tactics (low casualty rates, low collateral damage) and just did it because they enjoyed it too much

[storm jungle]

Yeaaaah Curze basically could have been saved somewhat

but either the people he went to for help turned him away and Curze also just gave up

It's a mix of a lot of things

[cunning wigeon]

the constant and uncontrollable migraine inducing visions probably didnt help his mental state

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

Also when he asked help from Dorn he was like

"Have you tried not being depressed."

Average Therapist Moment

[cunning wigeon]

although IIRC one of the night lords relics is an orb given to him by either magnus or the emperor to try and help with his visions but he didnt really use it

and Corvus was making him a present as well but he went traitor before he was ever given it

feels like he did have brothers that cared, its just they took too long

and the ones he went to first couldnt have cared less

[storm jungle]

Yeah its been awhile since i read it

and yeah Corvus and Curze could have been super bros but Konrad just kinda sucked at that

[cunning wigeon]

lightning claw bros

honestly a good therapist and I could see Konrad being more chill

far from normal

just chill

[storm jungle]

Same

again his entire problem is he was too late to be saved

earlier intervention could have probably redeemed him somewhat

[velvet jacinth]

You are fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into your lips, for the Emperor has blessed you for ever. Gird your sword upon your thigh, O most mighty, and in your majesty ride prosperously in truth and meekness and righteousness; and your right hand shall teach you terrible things. Your arrows are sharp in the hearts of the Emperor's enemies; whereby they fall under you. All your armaments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, where they have been sanctified. The throne of the Emperor is for ever and ever: the sceptre of his kingdom is matchless. Give thanks to the Emperor of man, Fight and grant thy Reapdawg beta access Amen.....

[storm jungle]

Not reading all that

also beta not out yet

shoo off somewhere else

https://tenor.com/view/shoo-go-away-johnny-depp-captain-jack-sparrow-gif-4877675

[velvet jacinth]

Its the emperors prayer you must purge the enemy to seek his forgivness for your heresy , or are you a chaos spy ?......

[cunning wigeon]

we dont do that here

sorry bud

[slender orchid]

Yeah, their chief librarian and a handful of others. All either Terran, or from the super brief period when Kurze had subdued the planet. Very small number.

Think the Word Bearers still won the trophy for fewest loyalists

[spark relic]

There's also a theory that one of the founding Members of the Grey Knights was the First Captain of the Night Lords, Jago "Sevatar" Sevatarion

[cunning wigeon]

which traitor legion had the most loyalists?

[slender orchid]

A very wrong theory. We know all 8 founding Grandmasters.

[spark relic]

Alpha Legion

[alpine ingot]

Didn't Sevetar go full on red hood at the end of the heresy and go Rouge from his chapter to defend something?

[slender orchid]

Sevatar was fighting on Terra against the Imperium after the Grey Knights were already formed on Titan

He currently is MIA after the walls were breached. Hoping we get more in the Scouring books

ADB is one of the more prolific writers and the Night Lords are his baby. There's a chance. Every time the one Night lord fans cries out for Decimus and Sevatar to become relevant in 40k

[alpine ingot]

I vaguely remember about him being disgusted with chaos and choosing to oppose both the Imperium and the Traitor Legions to protect someone or something.

[cunning wigeon]

most of the night lords were disgusted by chaos, didnt Conrad after saving lorgar from Corvus call him vile and rotten beyond measure when he saw the possessed fighting, saying he would let Lorgar die next time

[slender orchid]

Yep

Official stance of the Night Lords is those who would be slaves to Chaos are scum. Big facet of their trilogy. But they are pretty deluded, as most of the legion succumbs

[cunning wigeon]

they are the least tainted of the chaos legions though

[slender orchid]

Arguably still the Alpha Legion.

But it's close

[alpine ingot]

What about Iron Warriors

[slender orchid]

Night Lords don't even have sorcerers by and large. They don't like possession.

IW have full blown daemonsmiths, Warsmiths mutated to be part of tanks, and are the source of the Obliterators

They go pretty Chaos heavy. They just don't get ritualistic and culty about it

[alpine ingot]

Yeah... I thought about it after I sent that. For folks that hate chaos they sure do love using it lol.

[cunning wigeon]

on the wiki is mentions that the night lords gene seed bears the least evidence of mutation and that the alpha legion hide their mutations as a form of subterfuge so gauging their actual level of corruption is difficult

[cunning wigeon]

think in the new CSM codex there is an ironwarrior with some kinda demon gun face hybrid

[slender orchid]

Just read Buried Dagger, finished the Horus Heresy books. Onto the Siege of Terra. The scene where Loken rejects Malcador and being the 9th Grand Master of the Grey Knights... So good.

[alpine ingot]

I feel like the siege is going to end with the same words the heresy started with.

[slender orchid]

Probably being said by Sindermann, since he was one of the first Inquisitors. Don't think Loken is going to make it through to give a speech. (Edit, similar names of Inquisitors confuse Uug. Uug head hurt)

[errant pike]

zamn

shame they reused old art for my night lords

[storm jungle]

Yeah night lords got nothing

Word Bearers too

[alpine ingot]

The iron warrior in the back... the office clip of the dude going "it's a kill shot, IT'S A KILLSHOT!" is going through my head

[spark relic]

They see Chaos more as a tool rather than a master

[storm jungle]

Basically

they'll use chaos when the plot demands it

their creed more or so means shit

https://tenor.com/view/waving-wings-worlds-weirdest-bat-appreciation-day-big-ears-flying-in-place-gif-21096363

[spark relic]

I love the Night Lords helmets with the tall-ass bat wings on them

They look really dope

I also like that the Dark Angels did pretty much the same thing with their helms

Just a different colour

[storm jungle]

Kinda

DA's feather-wings are a bit more unique aesthetically

Night Lords just got the bat ones

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDnemccXoAIik-P.jpg

Sometimes

[shadow plover]

somehow that doesn't even look official

[storm jungle]

It is

suffer

[spark relic]

I think those wings look great

Good on him for wearing them

[storm jungle]

:|

[slender orchid]

I hate helmet crests in general. Even clip off the ones for Ultramarines for HH. But the bat wings in particular are... derpy.

Anything that helps your enemy target your head is bad. Limiting movement is also bad.

[shadow plover]

nah top knots are badass

also crests are cool as well

[slender orchid]

Different strokes for different folks. You are free to like something I dislike. Not calling for them to be removed.

[shadow plover]

of course

[rose thorn]

i have no clue why but i have an over welming urge to convert my Grand master Voldus into a female grand master

it feels... fitting for grey knights

[storm jungle]

Honestly just get a female head and done

[rose thorn]

exactly

might even get a sisters head

i love thier helmets

or a beaky helmet

[storm jungle]

🙏

[alpine ingot]

Random thought: if someone was headbutted by a marine wearing a beaky helmet, would it still be considered blunt force trauma or a piercing weapon.

[storm jungle]

Blunt because you are hitting them with the forehead of the helmet

not poking them with the beak

Though the piercing question would depend on the tip of the beak, some are pretty broad and others are more pointy

[alpine ingot]

Yeah some I have seen have been... chunky to say the least.

[fair ravine]

arent only the ravens the ones who have beakie helmets now

[storm jungle]

Nah

Any Chapter can get them

its just an armor addition

[rose thorn]

its just alpha legion, raven guard, and kinda blood angels i think have a preference for it

[fair ravine]

i miss the darth vader space marine helmets

[storm jungle]

Again

anyone can get the Corvus helmet

some Chapters have it more than others but otherwise its not that big of a difference

[spark relic]

The Corvus pattern helmets were made for the Raven Guard originally but they were very quickly spread to other legions and later chapters

They are not exclusive in any sense

People seem to forget everything except that the RG were the first to get them

[fair ravine]

i dont see em anywhere in GW

[storm jungle]

Because lazy designers

welcome to 40k

also the minis arent as diverse

[fair ravine]

i dont paint space marines anyway, but i do like the old lt. zerg lookin ones

[woven sandal]

They're just the standard MK. VI helmets. The RG weren't even really the first to get them.

[fair ravine]

yeah but theyre really the only ones who come with them

i guess thats less lore and more ttg tho

[slender orchid]

They aren't Raven Guard specific kits so no? You build any given chapter from the general plastic/resin grey kits. Literally everyone has them

The new horus heresy box is entirely beakies. And it is themed to be Sons of Horus vs Imperial Fists

The only patterns of armor locked to specific chapters are Sarum armor for World Eaters, and Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, White Scars, and Blood Angels were pretty much the only users of Indomitus armor and Mk 7 until the very end of the Scouring. Seeing as how it was made on Terra and Mars during the siege.

Even then, a traitor force could always be built with it and claim they looted it off dead bodies.

[rich tapir]

is the savory chemdogs Canon

[plush mason]

iirc the lore of the beak helmet is that it was first made for the RG but would end up becoming a standard issue helmet or that the RG was the first to use and test them

[storm jungle]

Seeing as they got books and an official wiki page id say they are fanmade

Or you can just use google

[plush mason]

hell arent the chemdogs like one of the only 2 penal legions with any real lore to them?

[storm jungle]

Barely more or so

But yeah

[spark relic]

Yeah they were made for the RG because of Corax wanting to build up his legion again and so new armour would give them an edge

It was soon spread to all loyalist legions and the design was looted and stolen by the traitors

That's why both sides have them

[storm jungle]

GW be like “We need an excuse for everyone using similar armor patterns aaaa”

[plush mason]

lol

[vapid tiger]

Zamn

Savlar chem dogs almost as hot as me

[wind flicker]

dilarpus

[storm jungle]

Vulpus didn't sound as cool

might just make it Dilara tho ngl

[wind flicker]

🦊

[storm jungle]

💀

[plush mason]

its fox friday btw

[mortal lance]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-fox-spinning-gif-22102893

[wind flicker]

it is infact

fox friday

https://tenor.com/view/fox-lick-fox-lick-fox-licks-glass-derp-gif-22079199

[rose thorn]

Cannon and the second coolest guard regiment

[vapid tiger]

i am prettier than that fox

[plush mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/674394592195641384/1007644528573960312/video0-191.mov

[wind flicker]

but do you have fox ears

[vapid tiger]

Negatory

[karmic dew]

imagine

[wind flicker]

skill issue unfortunately

[vapid tiger]

I will fucking doxx myself

[karmic dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/965938540154323014.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

simply skill diff

[vapid tiger]

Deleting

[spark relic]

Why don't you foxx yourself instead?

[sweet abyss]

Holy shit

This is revolutionary.

[rose thorn]

Fact; medieval knights in a sci-fi setting is always cool as fuck

Naboo royal families
Hisshio
Imperial knights

[rose thorn]

Dark angels

[odd palm]

We talking 30k or 40k DA?

[shell flint]

So - as someone who has basically no knowledge of 40k lore, what's a good starting point? I've played the game, that's about it

[wind flicker]

https://youtu.be/VwLoEhgcyzc

[shell pebble]

I personally got into the fluff

[shell flint]

Not just darktide - I mean all 40k lore sorry :p

[wind flicker]

this is both

[shell pebble]

Yer

[shell flint]

Ahh sure sure. Good primer than for 40K? Will give it a watch ty 🙂

[wind flicker]

ye

its a quick timeline and where darktide fits in

[plush mason]

tbh all of Luetin's lore videos are a good place to start

ofc its some 40 odd years of lore so there is a shit ton to go thru

[unique berry]

I personally like Baldemort more he got those nice stories in his videos and his voice is just perfect

[sterile abyss]

Can anyone recommend a good AoS or fantasy podcast?

[rose thorn]

Anything but the official one, the official one is super stiff and cursed with the fact everything they say is considered cannon.

[plush mason]

barf

[rose thorn]

Ikr. They are nice guys but

[lyric ember]

Are tau important?

Like in the lore

Do they have something besides planets that is valuable?

I know they're a "threat"

[plush mason]

yes and no. the xenos are sadly kinda like b string characters for the most part

[lyric ember]

M'kay

[sweet abyss]

All things considered, the Tau are just sorta there.

Unlike other races who have had some massive moment or been involved in some grand plot, the Tau just havent had one.

[crisp heath]

Maybe when they leave their sector

[sweet abyss]

Yeah maybe

[sterile abyss]

I didn't even know there was an official one

[vocal leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6M9-oFEKpk

[rose thorn]

These guys are pretty sick actually

Disciplinary corps I mean

[spark relic]

The Blood Angels had something similar

They were called Legion Wardens

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warden_(Blood_Angels)

Okay not that similar

But still, there are vague similarities

[iron patio]

Hey guys, I love the lore in vermintide 2 and have read the wiki for it a lot. 40k seems a bit overwhelming but anything you'd recommend I read to get darktide context?

[barren bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwLoEhgcyzc

[iron patio]

This one guy kept going on about who the enemies were and stuff and I love reading that up

Oh sweet!

[barren bridge]

This was an commissioned video by GW/FS and is considered a great start for learning 40K lore relevant to Darktide 🙂

Enjoy!!

And welcome!!

[iron patio]

Holy moly a 1hour video... This is gonna be perfect

Thank you!

Does the M in M15-M42 mean millenia?

[barren bridge]

aye

[iron patio]

Whoa, crazy to think VT2 happened in the 2230's

Makes sense why none of the factions seemed familiar

[barren bridge]

unfortunately it's a bit complicated and has changed over time: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/34166/link-between-warhammer-fantasy-and-warhammer-40k

but my headcanon is that the GREAT HORNED ONE 🐀 will return again one day

[iron patio]

I see...

I feel like I took a step in a 6m deep hole haha

Kinda agree to keep them seperated at least for now, otherwise they end up like starwars unable to change things due to time line consistency

[storm jungle]

Warhammer Fantasy and 40k have never been in the same universe and won't ever will be.

GW has made references in the past but they were just jokes

people just take them too seriously.

The only matching stuff is the chaos gods/demon units which is for the sake of tabletop consistency

[barren bridge]

yeah that confused me very early on too, felt like the chaos gods survive across time and space, and are unfortunately part of the fabric of the cosmos and can never be defeated (i kinda like the idea but yeah as you said there's no connection)

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

like its fine if you want to headcannon it that way tho

Most fantasy fans just don't like the idea since "it kind of undersells the setting" as they say

which is a fair point

[wind flicker]

Sorry liberal, the frogs have time travel

[storm jungle]

[wind flicker]

🐸 🪄

[storm jungle]

And yeah the Old Ones are the precursor race most universes have

"Why does this setting exist"

"Idk some gods did it"

https://tenor.com/view/hustle-simpsons-money-cigarette-cha-ching-gif-15176030

[barren bridge]

oh lawd reminds me the the WoW lore over the years 😢 ive become so desensitised and the bar is very low for me these days

[storm jungle]

Yeaaaah

like basically theres no difference

"Gods do bullshit magic"

"Mortal races deal with it"

[barren bridge]

the old god planned it, it was all part of their plan

[storm jungle]

YEP

Its just lazy writing

but like, its whatever so eh

[wind flicker]

All according to frog plan

[iron patio]

Wait so no vermin in 40k?

[barren bridge]

(unfortunately) not

no space rats 😦

https://www.deviantart.com/nehsan-darke/art/Fanart-Friday-18-WH40K-Star-Skaven-699684394

[vocal leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6M9-oFEKpk

this should also give a baseline general overview that helps as entry into wh40k as a whole i guess

[vagrant plank]

that will be irl in 2230 fun fact!

[broken bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fiXBXTrGo1U

wtf i need more lore on this

[storm jungle]

There is none

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Castigator-class_Titan

Just appears in 1 book

[broken bridge]

saaaaaadge

[rose thorn]

Honestly endless space does it so much better

[tawdry escarp]

Just finished another playthrough of Space Marine. Such a good game

[rose thorn]

heres a drink to hoping custom warbands make a come back

or at least fallen

[lyric ember]

Are we canon in warhammer 40k?

[wind flicker]

yes

[lyric ember]

Epic

[woven sandal]

I'm pretty sure that 100% of recorded history on Earth is canon to 40k. I know it's canon that Perturabo IIRC goes looking for Davinci's notebooks.

[lunar notch]

It absolutely is

[sweet abyss]

Yeah, fairly certain everything except the existence of 40k as something on Earth is cannon.

[woven sandal]

Even that could be canon TBF.

Think about how much survived from our time into 40k. The existence of some little miniatures game describing the exact events happening in current 40k in our time could just totally be lost to time.

[sweet abyss]

Yeah, wouldnt surprise me if in lore the Emperor, at some point, worked for GW.

[woven sandal]

Hell, there's a somewhat plausible in universe reason for 40k as a legitimate future history to exist in the 40k canon.

Not even the emperor. Just some dudes receiving an echo through the warp telling a legitimate future history for one reason or another that they dismiss as being a product of their imagination.

[sweet abyss]

Trazyn has at least one of every miniature.

[eternal citrus]

How are psykers detected? Is it possible for a psyker to detect another psyker when they're not using their powers? There's rogue psykers in underhives and shit aren't there? So I imagine this ability must have a limit if it exists

[wind flicker]

Psykers are comparable in rarity to redheads

Theres enough but not that many

[woven sandal]

Psykers tend to be kinda odd. Also yes and yes.

[wind flicker]

It's probably a small enough radius that its not noticeable

[eternal citrus]

Do you have a reference for that? Just curious cause I'm going to run a Dark Heresy game and wanna know my stuff

Also I think they're closer to some crazy statistic like one in a million, yeah?

[wind flicker]

Seems a bit too rare

1:400k~ maybe

[woven sandal]

It varies, but there's a lot of psykers that are too close to baseline to actually be useful/noticed.

[wind flicker]

Yea

[eternal citrus]

Yeah that too

[wind flicker]

Theres plenty that can lift a spoon

[hexed surge]

Not you tho

[woven sandal]

Those are the ones that are ignored or fed to the golden throne.

[eternal citrus]

Yep

[hexed surge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-emperor-tts-warhammer-warhammer40k-gif-21605736

[wind flicker]

Yummy psyker juice

[eternal citrus]

Does anyone have a rough, if very rough, estimate of how many humans there actually are in the imperium right now? I know the phrase "untold billions" but considering how many hive worlds with many billions of people all through the galaxy even if they're spaced out there must be at least trillions

Not expecting a census, just any sort of remote ballpark

[shadow plover]

a number too high to type out here

[eternal citrus]

Yeah maybe

[shadow plover]

when a single hive can have upwards of 100 billion souls it really doesn't matter how many there are in the entire galaxy

just too many

[woven sandal]

A million worlds averaging a Trillion people means a Quintillion.

[eternal citrus]

"To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods."

Yeah no I'm saying a Trillion in the imperium

[woven sandal]

A trillion might be a bit much.

But I know Hives get very high.

[eternal citrus]

Trillion is too much even for a hive world I think

I haven't seen ref to a hive world with more than a few dozen billion

[woven sandal]

It's definitely at least a Quadrillion though.

[solar sedge]

Iirc hive planets account for like 50% of imperial worlds so presumably the other 50% is relatively closer to our population

[wind flicker]

4.4~ quad is my guess

At dark tides time

[eternal citrus]

Yeah, it's probably futile, was just curious. The psyker thing I sorta need to know for plot though, if anyone has any knowledge on how psykers are empirically detected/black shipped

[woven sandal]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Coronis_Agathon

[wind flicker]

Well like

40k is shit with numbers

[woven sandal]

A lot of Hive worlds seem remarkably low population TBH.

[wind flicker]

Its "and my dad beat up 300 bad guys" level

[eternal citrus]

Yeah, and oh damn I guess Agathon wins the top score, but it's pretty exceptional yeah?

Lol yeah

[wind flicker]

Agri world logistics are the big glaring "lol what the fuck"

[woven sandal]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fenksworld A single billion

[solar sedge]

Fenk's world

Good ol' Fenks

[eternal citrus]

Yeah that fucks with me, not really hive world unless it has 10 bill

[shadow plover]

think the one in which darktide takes place has a population of 90 billion, iirc from the luetin video

[woven sandal]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ichar_IV 500 billion

[eternal citrus]

Oh shit

[wind flicker]

Yeah anywhere from 50~ trillion to a quintillion

[woven sandal]

Yeah. Hive Worlds, like everything else are fucking super variable when it comes to numbers.

[wind flicker]

Also depends on sectors

[eternal citrus]

"An attempted Imperial census of Trazior Hive four thousand Terran years ago in the 37th Millennium revealed an estimated population of a billion in the upper habitation levels alone -- no further attempt has been made to count Necromunda's population in Trazior or any other of the several thousand hives on the planet, though the world's population must now be over 100 billion people." So I guess hundred billions happen

[wind flicker]

Numbers arent like

Cohesive

[eternal citrus]

Yep

[wind flicker]

Its on a per case basis

[woven sandal]

From a shockingly low number to an absurdly high number.

I like to take the upper estimate on everything.

It just makes things more fun.

[solar sedge]

Just a case of writers having goopy goblin brain when it comes to scaling things sometimes

[eternal citrus]

Let's only count hive worlds and use an average of let's say 200 billion

That means 6,476,000,000 people

[wind flicker]

Yep

[woven sandal]

Think you forgot a set of zeros there.

[eternal citrus]

Oh yeah I did lol

64,760,000,000,000 my bad

[wind flicker]

Yeah the conservative estimate is in the trillions range

[plush mason]

the vast size of the IG really is tiny next to the total pop of the imperium lol

[hushed kayak]

let’s not forget there’s over half millions of human worlds out there. yet to be discovered again

[wind flicker]

Space big, habitable planets small

[eternal citrus]

Only a difference of 64,753,524,000,000 I'm not that far off

[woven sandal]

Yeah.

[eternal citrus]

Galaxy very big

[wind flicker]

Tbh an undiscovered human colony with an stc is probably living the dream

[woven sandal]

6,476,000,000,000,000 I got this number BTW.

[wind flicker]

Definitely best place to live in the 40k verse

[woven sandal]

Which is 6.476 Quintillion I'm pretty sure.

At an average population of 200 Billion

[hushed kayak]

gets reminded of the time aliens and humans lived peacefully in a planet once, until the imperium came in

[eternal citrus]

So the golden throne struggles to keep their quota of 1000 from what I've seen, and the universe isn't swarming with powerful psykers, let's see if we can deduce how rare psykers are

[wind flicker]

That'd be quad

[woven sandal]

Is it quad?

[wind flicker]

Naming is 1 under sets of 3

So 5 sets of 3 is quad

[wind flicker]

The imperium can take my felinids from my cold dead hands

[woven sandal]

You're right.

[wind flicker]

Dt will have felinid cosmetics

And I love how mad it'll make the nerds

[woven sandal]

It's only 6.476 x 10^15 humans.

[wind flicker]

Which isnt a lot if you think logistically

The imperium wastes a lot of habitable space

[woven sandal]

There's a lot of "habitable space" in the Imperium, but saying it's habitable is vastly overselling it

[solar sedge]

Mmmm Krieg

[shadow plover]

Didn't you also arrive to that number with only counting Hive Worlds? There are plenty of other places humans live as well

[final spruce]

Nah they usually feed the throne with the useless ones or the ones that cant control their powers

[wind flicker]

Surely the useless ones arent full of a lot of goo

Unless

The emps just stealing their souls

[solar sedge]

The magic warp goo

[wind flicker]

:lul:

[woven sandal]

Yeah, but that's a rounding error compared to the total on hive worlds.

[final spruce]

Well the Imperium always have been about quantity above quality

[woven sandal]

There's a description of someone being fed to the Golden Throne somewhere.

[solar sedge]

It was included in a luetin video about the emperor recently

[woven sandal]

It's an interesting read.

[hushed kayak]

what was it about?

[eternal citrus]

If they were 1 in a million, that leaves us 6,476,000,000 psykers any given day

[woven sandal]

It was apparently in Master of Mankind.

[hushed kayak]

HH book?

[woven sandal]

That's what the thread said.