So, the beam of light is MUCH optimal and economic
#40k-minis-and-armies
nova hinge
it's stopping power, however...
Not sure
I need an in real life example or something to compare
Anyway
The shorter one is M14 20 rounds mag
edgy cipher
It's powerful enough to explode 1 arm
nova hinge
and long ones are 30
nova hinge
then it's bloody effective!
nova hinge
Xeno OP, nerf
edgy cipher
Easy to carry + its ammos
Versatile because you can easily modify it + can fix bayonet + different firing modes
nova hinge
It would be a perfect weapon
edgy cipher
Thing is, outside fighting cultists and human like enemies with human like armor, its not very effective
ruby jay
if only such technology were within reach of the next 40,000 years of technology
too bad it's literally impossible
nova hinge
Yes
edgy cipher
The only kick you have is the heat of the ray when it ignites the air
nova hinge
Advantage on accuracy and fire controlling
edgy cipher
But sadly, everything that is better than flak armor is more likely to block the shot
nova hinge
wonder how much it would be different than Sienna's beam staff in Darktide
edgy cipher
And things tougher than humans aka Orks will shrugg off the weapon
A good aimed shot at the head will kill an ork
But if you ever shot a weapon, aiming at a rapidly moving target that is running towards you ....
plush swift
lasguns shouldn't be hard to aim
nova hinge
a brown bear
dusk hill
Lasguns are extremely good and practical weapons, any IG/PDF-ish force is gonna have a huge advantage with them against some rebel force or whatever with probs mostly stubbers and autoguns
plush swift
if they shoot light it's literally point and click
edgy cipher
I'm not saying its hard to aim with the weapon
edgy cipher
Yeah, and moving target + stress can even fuck up trained soldiers irl
plush swift
also people heave beaten orks in close quarters combat and I don't think any person could beat a bear wielding weapons in close quarters combat
dusk hill
there are obviously some gimmicks with it yeah, on account of it being a laser. It's point and click, no projectile travel time, but it does mean that the state of the atmosphere is actually gonna change how powerful it is when it reaches the target
edgy cipher
So imagine in 40k where most things WILL murderfuck you out of existence
dusk hill
if there's a lot of dense fog, or otherwise something kinda diluting the light as it travels through the air, it would probs dissipate a little bit over long ranges
nova hinge
Like a heavy fog or something, Laser is fucked up
dusk hill
ye, which is an interesting idea tbh
A bunch of rebels gonna produce an artificial smog to fuck with the imperial forces
it won't bother them if they're using physical bullets
nova hinge
So, what we really need is finding human version of WAAAGH energy to DAKKA
plush swift
I don't think lasguns have the stopping power of ballistic weapons either, it could say, sever a limb
dusk hill
Producing some kind of atmospheric fuckery isn't hard though? like, the imperium has hella nonsense to pollute the atmosphere
nova hinge
Just drop a smoke granade, +20% or more demage reduction from the "laser"
plush swift
but solid projectile will tumble thru flesh and impart more physical impact probably
dusk hill
I imagine it varies depending on the author, my interpretation was always that a lasgun would cause the blood/bodily fluids inside the enemy to suddenly explode as steam
edgy cipher
It's what happens Ratty
nova hinge
Everything pointing that Orks are the best
dusk hill
obv that's not accounting for armour though, which is the big thing projectile weapons have over las weapons. brb just gonna lightly heat up their power armour
plush swift
I've heard that before but orks have blood and bodily fluids too so they'd be affected if that's the case
dusk hill
It totally depends on the author. The whole lasguns r harmless flashlights meme doesn't help
nova hinge
I mean, DAKKA = Unlimited ammo
edgy cipher
Yes but because of them being fungus and being extra tough, they could get hit, lose an arm and still run at you without being impeded by said loss
dusk hill
The exact like, way that WAAAGH energy works relative to the regular warp fuckery all the other species have (e.g. if enough ppl believe in x thing it becomes true) is kinda ambiguous i feel? Like, to what extent that could work for other species beyond just orks
nova hinge
nom!
In lore, or any world that has a world that conneted to yet another world that directly effected by mind, feelings, etc. yes
dusk hill
obv it would be extremely dumb and hard to write around anyone else having the same ridiculous unintentional psychic nonsense the orks have so it won't happen
nova hinge
Religion
edgy cipher
The only other faction that has something remotely similar is SoB
dusk hill
oh yeah they have the whole faith magic vibe
nova hinge
That's how living saints and whatever the thing can be there
edgy cipher
Their holy water actually works
dusk hill
I do quite like the whole their religion is on the lowkey not entirely bullshit vibe. It makes the Imperium a little less unnecessarily grimdark
nova hinge
So, I will start to "believe" the God-Emperor of Mankind as a anime girl
cartoon works for me too
Oh, I love Immaterium
Imagine HARDER, then you may could use a magic by yourself!
Wait, it that why followers of Tzeentch having "mental disoders"?
To believe
near jungle
Las gun for Astartes?! Wonder how much strong it would be
@nova hinge the knights are basically super space marines but with better armor and weapons
nova hinge
Seems like Caul did something, Again...
near jungle
Except they can reproduce 
nova hinge
in which way?
near jungle
that way
Think of the knights is if it was the imperial guard but they're all naturally born like space marines
nova hinge
Wait, then there's could be a female?
nova hinge
A healthy THICC muscled women!
plush swift
Im🅱️erial Knights
near jungle
@nova hinge
nova hinge
Now we talking
nova hinge
near jungle
Sketch
near jungle
Knight Armour concept.
nova hinge
They snörted some T'au, and "something" more.
near jungle
SPACE MAGIC
hoary ermine
Squared armor so must be heresy hur
near jungle
Specialist Infantry Knight.
deep saddle
Reminds me of Durge
elfin yew
Oh wow that looks amazing
edgy cipher
God damn those blends
nova hinge
Jump Packed Contemptor Dreadnought
edgy cipher
Jump pack dread ?
edgy cipher
What going to happen next, people in termiantor armros doing somersaults ?
edgy cipher
That was the point
hasty sorrel
misty pollen
hello bois
deep saddle
Smells like heresy to me
misty pollen
why yes inquisitor this guy with the weird name right here
near jungle
Dawn of war 3 had a good soundtrack, and a good trailer, that's about it
crisp forge
^
near jungle
Orks soundtrack was bloody amazing
crisp forge
The orks in general in DoW3 were amazing
Like, they actually were the only faction that carried the game in a meta way with their humor and gameplay but even they had to fall to the onslaught of bad mechanics and shit plot
near jungle
ISS AH POINTEY STICC!! YA JUS STAB A GIT WIT IT
edgy cipher
Atleast I got me pointy stikk
crisp forge
Was about the say that line LOL
Literally only Gorgutz got out of the plot unravaged
crisp forge
Thats both great art and a great fucking track
Also just to put it into perspective of how epic that track is, heres it with some actual action in the foreground:
crisp forge
Ah trust me they didnt, i played that game to the point of memorizing every texture and model
They look like custom SFM ones
nova hinge
I am, proud as a Korean now
crisp forge
Space Marine boyz are a lot more bare model and details wise, along with elongated jaws compared to the ones in the short
near jungle
Oh yeah, the anatomy is a bit different too
crisp forge
Yep, I think its really just private models, SFM has a ton of 40k ones
near jungle
The ones in the animation have bigger musclesn
nova hinge
What if we had a Space Marine + Vermintide...
crisp forge
We do
near jungle
edgy cipher
They are in terminator armor
near jungle
Hulkspace is so much fun
nova hinge
edgy cipher
I know
edgy cipher
Its because Termi armor atleast gives you an invul if you don't use the stormshield
near jungle
TIME TO GET THE HEAVY FLAMMENWERFER
Also the space marine multiplayer is also pretty fun
crisp forge
Agreed, shame its going slowly extinct
limpid tundra
Do you think it would work with a whole army?
I dont have the minis for a full army yet but I had some spares left over from a previous build
plush swift
it looks great, but if you're building a whole guard army it may get fatiguing to green sculpt all of them, if you can handle that, you should be good to go though
limpid tundra
I dont mind putting in the time with greenstuff, Only started messing with it in the last week or so 🙂 I have a heavy weapons team box that I might practice some more on once I finish this guardsmen, will post more once this dude is completed
thanks for the feedback guys
elfin yew
Its really odd to me that there isnt a xeno centric 40k ttrpg, well not odd because of usual things but
A orkz tabletop
Campaign
Would be WAAGH tier
crisp forge
Boo!
I guess its the same reason why we dont get new xeno stuff
"human make more moneh"
crisp forge
I'd love an eldar one
elfin yew
Yesss
crisp forge
especially when they got a literal rpg archetype with the outcasts and corsairs
zooooom
elfin yew
Ohh?
elfin yew
Ahh yee
Usually when theres a xeno its a eldar which makes sense tbh
Like, ork mercenaries would b a great optiom too
Dhsbd
elfin yew
Yees
crisp forge
"Bright lord, dark lord, same fing really"
elfin yew
Or hell like
Necrons/Tau are both smart enough to be allies of desperation in a pinch
I mean of course the tau but thats a given
elfin yew
Yees
elfin yew
We were chatting abt the history of playable xenos in them
Which is very little unless you know more
edgy cipher
If you wanna play Xenos, the best ones are Rogue Trader from 2004 and then Wrath & Glory
elfin yew
Ohh never heard of wraith and glory
edgy cipher
It's the new one that was released in 2017
elfin yew
Ahh
edgy cipher
But yeah Rogue trader has even rules for an all xenos campaign
elfin yew
O shit
edgy cipher
In Rogue Trader, without using homebrew, you have access to these xenos in your ship : Eldars, Dark Eldars, Kroots, Taus, and Orks
void orchid
Bro that rogue trader mini has fuckin big dick energy
edgy cipher
BTF has 2 rogue traders
elfin yew
Thank u Zher
green cave
What about wrath and glory?
edgy cipher
Currently, in Wrath & Glory, you got Orks and Eldars
Ya also have modules to play Chaos but those aren't xenos
green cave
It seems that there is room for add stuff in wrath and glory
edgy cipher
Wrath and Glory was built so that it is very easy to include post release content and homebrew
A bit like Rogue trader in a way
Theya re currently working on a book to include abhumans as official playable characters
And some things on the side they haven't announced
crisp forge
👀
edgy cipher
I have run a Rogue trader game with some bit of real good approved homebrew, and let's say that the party was .... a bit unusual
And was part of another one more tame
elfin yew
Nice
plush swift
Man i really wan't to get into the miniature stuff but i suck at painting
elfin yew
The only WH games I've done are Only war and a WHFRP game in Pathfinder(no one rlly liked the actual WHFRP rules in my group+more used to PF)
Painting is pretty easy to get into. What do you like?
In terms of factions
elfin yew
Nice nice
edgy cipher
Black templars and Orks are easy to paint
elfin yew
Orkz are really fun kitbash material and any space marines are easy to paint
I once read some guy making a trukk out of a tonka toy dhdhd
edgy cipher
Alto I wouldn't advice people to use orks as a first army for multiple reasons
elfin yew
They get expensive Im told. Is that right?
plush swift
I heard the bloodletters are a good start for the khornate
edgy cipher
You need to paint alot of boys and the models are really old, and at that you have to keep in mind their playstyle is 50% about luck
elfin yew
Those are really good value and fun since u get variety
edgy cipher
Especially if you play shooty orks
So yeah, when I dmed the Rogue Trader campaign we got :
- The Rogue Trader : "pilot" of the ship and a must pick
- The Explorator Genetor : Normal tech nerd but wanted to do the healies aswell
- An Eldar ranger and the true pilot of the ship
- an Ork freeboota that later went Kommando
- And a merc Drukhari
It was a weird game but fun
elfin yew
Nicee
Also the start collecting boxes usually come with layering guides and stuff for paint
Or u can just lookup guides
Also most of Ur Dudes are gonna be mostly red, so no convoluted color schemes unless you wanted them to be
Reds/blacks/metallics
Assuming khorne
void orchid
And if you have any annoying fiddly bits that you don't enjoy painting, just cover them in blood for the blood god or some other blood paint effect
elfin yew
Yees
At its simplest painting can just be prime->paint main colors->paint secondary-> lolnulnoil
And for khorne you could just like
Prime in black
And boom blacks already done
Like
I primed my skeletons in a bone color and half my work was already done fhsbdbd
void orchid
I prime in white because I'm a masochist, black is the big brain move because all the hard to reach nooks and crannies are already in shadow
limpid tundra
finished my test mini what do you guys think?
elfin yew
Les c it my boy
limpid tundra
void orchid
Duuude
elfin yew
Niceo
limpid tundra
Ty 🙂 I only hope it holds up when I file/trim and prime it tomorrow 😅
void orchid
Good luck
plush swift
What faction do you suggest is the best start?
plush swift
Yeah between khornate, Space marines and orks
limpid tundra
Orkz and Marines are easiest to play but demons can be quite fun
plush swift
Wait play?
edgy cipher
The Khorne daemons have fun things to paint and a decent start collecting box
plush swift
Wdym by play?
edgy cipher
Well you use the minis to play 40k
limpid tundra
Well if you are looking to paint only then pick an army you think is coolest
edgy cipher
^
plush swift
Welp I guess I'll go with my boys
edgy cipher
Alto the Khorne berserkers are getting old I got to say
limpid tundra
AoS has a good box for them tho
edgy cipher
The minis aren't up to today's standards
limpid tundra
all youd need is bolter arms
elfin yew
Good part abt daemon/chaoa armies is that they look nearly identical across settings + or - guns/axes
void orchid
Guns are for the weak
plush swift
I need a new hobby especially after my cats died I don't have much to do
void orchid
I'm sorry for your loss man, i still miss mine that passed quite a few years back
Painting can be a very distracting and engrossing hobby, my suggestion is watch some YouTube videos to get an idea of how to approach it, and also don't try to rush, 90% of painting is taking it slow and making small corrections to mistakes you make along the way
plush swift
Thanks man
void orchid
Official warhammer youtube has a bunch of short quick tutorials which can be nice cuz they have some examples for most models so you can try to see if they have anything specific to your faction (as well as telling you which paints to duplicate their exact process) otherwise there's just lots of good stuff on youtube (and twitch too) in general
Miniac is a good channel, he does short tips and more in depth videos
elfin yew
You should also know that the first dip into the hobby is usually the most expensive
Because buying tools/paint
void orchid
Yeah, brushes and pallets and all that stuff
elfin yew
Try to buy non-citadel if you can help it.
Tends to be cheaper
Esp for silly stuff like citadel brand paintbrushes
void orchid
The first few things I painted were green army men so I could keep the initial cost down and also so I didn't completely trash my first actual mini lol
elfin yew
Mfw GW selling $20 cans of primer
void orchid
Drybrushes cost 0$ gw, they're just OLD BRUSHES
I do have 3 W&N brushes that I got as a gift and I treat them like my babies lol
elfin yew
Nicee
Speaking of painting
I'm just realizing that the tan color I used for my skellies can probably base t'au sept for my inevitable 40k painting
Pog
void orchid
Bon'e
elfin yew
Aaaa
elfin yew
Rattled
void orchid
I think if I paint something for 40k id probably like to do necrons, they have some really cool looking new shit
elfin yew
Yeess. Necrons are cool. Esp their new stuff
edgy cipher
For brushes, don't bother with citadel ones, they are for experimented people
elfin yew
My only problem with necrons is how generic their mooks look, but thats kinda the point
void orchid
That void dragon shard is 🔥
edgy cipher
The cheap ones are good enough, especially if they can keep a nice point
elfin yew
Most citadel stuff isnt worth the cost except maybe the actual paint
I dont have enough experience painting to know abt that tho
void orchid
when I die I want to be submerged in Nuln oil
edgy cipher
I prefer Vallejo but thats my experience
elfin yew
Only have painted with the citadel stuff bcuz AoS had a paint set
Dunk yourself in nuln oil now and come out looking like bogendanof
void orchid
I like citadel paints, p3 can be hit or miss but some of those I prefer
elfin yew
Bogdanof*
void orchid
Also those gemstone paints 👌 I can't be assed to paint gems and lenses without it
slight exaggeration
elfin yew
God thinking about painting the tiny lenses
Makes me dread painting crisis suits/any tau battlesuit
void orchid
I'd definitely recommend those technical paints if you haven't tried them
elfin yew
Will do
void orchid
Only 3 colors tho lul
Those and some shiny sealer do a great job with very little hassle
elfin yew
Nice nice
I gotta get smthing tiny to bore gun barrels too
It was one of the reasons I did AoS stuff first actually. "Dont wanna drill yet" dbsbdbd
void orchid
Haha
Yeah, I have a pin vice with a bunch of teeny sized bits for that and pinning metal models
It's very fiddly stuff lol
And for making recesses for magnetising
elfin yew
Ahh yeah thst too
I'm told by other Tau folks that magnetizing the battlesuits is a rlly good idea
void orchid
Idk about those specifically but it's definitely worth it
Can be pretty tricky depending on what peices you're doing
The bigger the pieces the easier tho
near jungle
Assault Knight Concept. Wasn't feeling well today, so I made a quick sketch. Sorry that its bad.
dusk hill
nw, still looks awesome!
near jungle
Chaos looks really cool
elfin yew
Yess
near jungle
Also where tf are orks
elfin yew
I was planning on getting started this christmas anyways with 40k from the Incoming Christmas wave
And the starpulse cadre looks really good
love the broadside
elfin yew
That describes basically everything sold by GW
FDHFDN
Could always check ebay and stuff
I've seen some start boxes for cheaper on there
edgy cipher
Yeah, Its forgeworld only
elfin yew
Ooooof
near jungle
Overpriced even for GW standards
edgy cipher
I know how to do solid and not that expensive Krieg kitbashes but, they aren't allowed in official tournaments
Because stoopid rule 90% of the plastic must come from GW
near jungle
near jungle
YEAH
GODDAM HERESY
I want to get a 3d printer just for the purpose of building models
edgy cipher
No wonder recasters are used alot
crisp forge
Squad?
elfin yew
I feel like you could buy generic WW1 minis and kitbash to goodness
crisp forge
You mean
elfin yew
for way cheaper
crisp forge
AT EASE SQUAD
elfin yew
dcfgfdhndfg
near jungle
Nice
crisp forge
they got running ones and everything lol
edgy cipher
crisp forge
i love that variation tho
edgy cipher
Well that's how you make em Aunva
near jungle
The only models I have are hand me downs from my friend that are from 7th edition (might be older)
edgy cipher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9XjTPhxHUI&t=106s&ab_channel=PeteTheWargamer This guy does a good guide of it
near jungle
I wanna design a space marine but from a krieg soldier
Like what if the death korps had space marines
mortal orchid
oh wow
edgy cipher
So Space Marines that look a bit Death Guard-y with gasmask ?
crisp forge
Also im pretty sure ive never seen a marine with a gas mask
closest we have is deathguard but they are just breathing toxic nurgle AIDS
elfin yew
Nurgle LOVE*
edgy cipher
It's because their mask is already better than a gasmask
Also DeathGuard kinds of already fills that niche
near jungle
Some space marines, mostly in terminator armour, have a gas mask
YEAH
It goes under their armoured helmet
Those who don't wear the helmet will sometimes have a mask
edgy cipher
I remember some space marines heads having a respirator
near jungle
I think mostly the scouts will have them
mortal orchid
also remember that Krieg is radiated AF, so mask is mandatory
edgy cipher
I'm sure priamris have some aswell, let me check my bits container
They do, and its half the heads of the kit
Aka you can choose between helmet or those heads
near jungle
Gotta breathe in those scented candles
swift arch
WIP I’m finishing up tonight
edgy cipher
Ultramarines yeah ?
near jungle
Death korps space marine
near jungle
Update
mortal orchid
do the shovel
near jungle
Death Korps Space Marine
near jungle
Ty
mortal orchid
btw, thats a brutal shovel
near jungle
I was thinking of making it a chain shovel
mortal orchid
nah, this one is better
or you could use that weapon of mass destruction: the double shovel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612155220616544266/776290915403956234/4faq19.jpg @near jungle
nova hinge
elfin yew
Love the nurgling
void orchid
That's really awesome
near jungle
while i was drawing the death korps marine, i was using a primaris model as a reference, and i have to say. I HATE THE DESIGN
primaris marines looks so...weird
they don't look intimidating at all
and their knee guards are dumb
elfin yew
Short king
near jungle
I like the mark 4 armour more in terms of designs tbh
near jungle
Omega Sketch. Was super busy today with work and studying.
mortal orchid
@near jungle bro, what do you think of making a sc1 marine x wh40k marine mix, what do you think eh?
near jungle
Hmm. They're both already very similar
elfin yew
Oo boy, found a repository of Battlefleet gothic STLs converted from the game
Prepare to be spammed with Tau frigate prints in the coming weeks sdfuhdfn
nova hinge
green cave
Prepare to be spammed with Tau frigate prints in the coming weeks sdfuhdfn
Yay, seafood Grill
That is because i'm not really well versed in tau lore so for me all their ship and vehicles have fish names
near jungle
Gaia sketch
near jungle
I'm also gonna work on a short comic focused on an imperial guardsman
crisp forge
Fully agreed!
elfin yew
Does anyone know if there's a 2v2 variant of KT/mainline WH40K tabletop. I'm pretty sure I remember hearing about a KT 2v2 awhile ago
I have a shy eldar bf who doesn't want to play against me fuhnsdufhnd
near jungle
I think there is, where it's a team of 2v2 and they take alternating turns
elfin yew
Ahh
near jungle
Like 1a, then 2a, then 1b, then 2b
elfin yew
Got u
near jungle
I dont think theres an actual itc game mode but rather it's a custom one
elfin yew
Yee I don't care much about tournament stuff just for the fun
elfin yew
Very nice
near jungle
You're just gonna need a big ass table
I suggest using a 4 by 6 foot table and everyone has 500 pts
elfin yew
Ayt
elfin yew
What's the situation with Primarines? Are people having to replace their old SM or are they still usable?
Not really interested in playing SM myself, just curious to it
lusty frigate
I am facinated with kitbashing
I need to make one of these
A goddamn mech out of a kastelan robot
void orchid
I believe manlet marines recently got buffed a few months ago, I remember seeing a bunch of memes about them being good again (compared to the big boys) @elfin yew
elfin yew
Ahh
plush swift
I thought they just got upgraded to 2 wounds and that was it?
void orchid
🤷 idk, I don't play lmao
crisp forge
Im the same, only know the wound thing from the memes lol
lusty frigate
Wounds are like hp right
crisp forge
Dying is indeed really bad!
hasty sorrel
that changed again chapin
fucking
heavy intercessors for primaris dropped
36 inch range and 3 wounds, 5 toughness
crisp forge
This is why i stay away from tabletop lol
its just too many numbers and constant nerfs and buffs
its like Overwatch's development cycle on crack
void orchid
Yeah, I'm just here to paint and chew on tasty memes
and shitpost in the lore channel
and maybe someday play darktide
crisp forge
really good goals
void orchid
*its like Overwatch's development cycle on crack*
This is why vermintide dev cycle is better- by the time there are changes to catch up on, you'll already be a servo skull
crisp forge
PFFT
Its true
and they dont remove abilities some characters had ever since the game first came out
crisp forge
Im happy someone knew what i was talking about lmao
void orchid
I could just stand there with my Big German Rectangle and watch my team make the magic happen
crisp forge
But now there is only salt
void orchid
I recently started playing again, I've been enjoying playing smegma I mean sigma
It is very different tho for sure
void orchid
It's a weird world where attack torb or symmetra arent troll picks
crisp forge
And he now has uh...
overcharge or something and doesnt throw armor anymore?
jesus i dont even know what he is
void orchid
RIP armor, I miss fighting on a control point and just tripping over stupid amounts of armor mid fight
Yeah he just has a mini self buff and his turret is less important
crisp forge
OH YEAH
void orchid
So kind of a normal dps character
void orchid
Yeah
crisp forge
jesus christ
void orchid
No more level 1 or 3 turret anymore
Hes just a coomer now
The real humbling experience was queueing up for competitive and getting put in gold instead of plat/diamond
Made me mad lol, all these nerds kept getting better while I was gone
crisp forge
Honestly i was just there to shoot people lol
also the PvE events for Archives was amazing
void orchid
Yeah, I really enjoyed the pVe content
crisp forge
one day we'll get OW2
void orchid
I'm hesitant to give blizz money anymore but overwatch 2 is supposed to have like a whole campaign like that or sth
Ye
Reminds me of battleborn, I enjoyed the pVe for that a lot before it got ground down under overwatches feet
crisp forge
Honestly thats kinda the thing with companies like blizzard
As long as they make good content people usually forget the shitty stuff they do
void orchid
Yeah
void orchid
Tho the battleborn thing was not completely their fault, the ceo of gearbox tried to play it up as an us vs them thing and it blew up in his face
But yeah, I dunno. Very weird times we live in where people stan different companies to such a high degree
None of them are our friends lol
crisp forge
I would say, as controversial as it'll sound; people will keep buying their stuff anyway unless they mess up big time, like something really catastrophic
YEP that too
its the same as every company jumping on the BLM bandwagon
"We support their struggles"
When you know half of them couldnt care less
Its just about profits
void orchid
Yeah, what they really support is their wallets
void orchid
Same thing when all these companies change their logo to be rainbow colored during pride time
crisp forge
Yep yep
void orchid
I laugh because if it's a big companys twitter they always have a separate account for russia that stays the same
So they can play good for both sides
crisp forge
LOL oh my god i love that
void orchid
It's so fuckin slimy
crisp forge
especially with people like Bethesda
void orchid
Yeah
crisp forge
i saw a post once where they all stack their country studios ontop of each other
and the middle eastern and russian bethesda studios keep their logo the default lol
void orchid
Yeah, exactly
crisp forge
But as i was about to say
even when you hate a company you usually go back to it to buy their games
its like an abusive relationship lol
near jungle
Kinda like Stockholm syndrome
near jungle
It's the same with GW and their overprice plastic
void orchid
Doesn't get better than this picture lol
lusty frigate
It's expensive, but I guess it doesn't bother me
There's an artistry to it
And you can always buy second hand
crisp forge
Yeah GW is no different i agree
i know theres nice people in the studio and all that actually care
but in the end its just business and well-selling stuff come first
lusty frigate
Yeah
crisp forge
aka the Suits get the final say
void orchid
The beancounters
No wonder they like roboute so much
Guys I think I solved the ultramarines favoritism
near jungle
At least GW is against the jerks that think they're superior
void orchid
Yeah, I wonder what the cost benefit analysis looked like for clapping Arch's cheeks
crisp forge
fkkjdfs
void orchid
Lmao
near jungle
Honestly, I'm poor and I made a 500 pt army out of lego and it worked
void orchid
Hahaha
crisp forge
Dude thats awesome lol
near jungle
My friend came over and stopped playing and he gave me his old minis
I love them to bits
lusty frigate
Pog
near jungle
I dont want to repaint them mostly cause i still dont feel like they're mine and I want to keep them how he painted them. It just feels kinda nice
lusty frigate
I getcha
near jungle
There are also ork boyz
elfin yew
Tbh the most egregious price thing for me with warhammer ars the fucking rulebooks
near jungle
near jungle
Tbh the most egregious price thing for me with warhammer ars the fucking ruleboo...
You can get pdfs and look at wikis
elfin yew
Yeee
lusty frigate
Yeah aren't the PDFs free?
elfin yew
Not for AoS yet
near jungle
Also the 8th edition is free to download
void orchid
I saw a post by a guy who buys painted minis and repaints them, every time he buys a new batch he keeps one in the old paint scheme so he has this one motley crew of mismatched bros to honor their old owners
lusty frigate
There is something nice about physical rulebooks though
I've got a small collection of dnd books
Fun to read, even if I don't play too often anymore
void orchid
Tbh the most egregious price thing for me with warhammer ars the fucking ruleboo...
Yarrr meharties...
near jungle
I just printed it out lmao
Also unfortunately I'm probably gonna quit the angry marines drawing
near jungle
Theres a wiki that has everything
elfin yew
When you may need e different ones
near jungle
And I mean, everything
crisp forge
Just here to say that yes, use PDFs if you can
near jungle
Dont a lot of people dislike AoS?
crisp forge
dont even feel bad, nobody says it publicly but GW rulebooks and codices can be ripoffs
lusty frigate
Yeah 40 dollars is bad
elfin yew
Besides the point but yus
AoS isnt popular in the main comm, but it has its own following thats basicallt detached
void orchid
Dont a lot of people dislike AoS?
A lot do dislike what it did to the old world, but AoS is very successful, much more so than WHFB ever was
near jungle
Ah interesting
lusty frigate
I wanna put stormcast eternal heads on space marines
near jungle
I kinda liked the aesthetic and design of AoS
lusty frigate
They're called sigmarines lmao
elfin yew
AoS itself is good just that it 'killed' whf
void orchid
I remember they said something like one space marine box made more money than all of WHFB
elfin yew
AoS rules are the best of the 3 settingd too
near jungle
I gotta do more research on AoS
crisp forge
AoS having started from the ground up yeah it has a lot of positives
near jungle
I mean, you can argue that it's a separate universe or something
crisp forge
you can tell GW knows most of the faults of 40k, its why for example model releases for AoS are really balanced
while 40k is Astartestide
void orchid
It's hard to fill the shoes of a setting that was telling stories for decades, but they'll get there
crisp forge
^
Warhammer Fantasy is literally where the title "warhammer" comes from
sigmar's hammer and all that
so its like the elder
elfin yew
AoS models look GREAT too
void orchid
And they course corrected hard on some of the weaker things, like on people's complaints that the different planes were too ephemeral and underdefined, there are actual maps of the different realms now
elfin yew
If anyone wants to look at its rules too, the main ones are free(and I have a LoN tome if ur interested)
But yess
Also they are converting most of the old world factions to be their own, more unique thing
Ex) we are due for the dark elves to return soon as a full faction with Ulgu
elfin yew
Yessss
elfin yew
Kharadron overlords are AMAZING
void orchid
I've got a set that I need to start painting
elfin yew
Oooo nice nice
near jungle
Ohhhh my goooooooood
crisp forge
They got fucking giant metal balloons on their back as jetpacks dude they're awesome
void orchid
They're pretty much all magnetized and ready to go
near jungle
They looks so cool
near jungle
I always thought fantasy dwarves should be good mechanics
void orchid
Yeah dude
void orchid
adeptus ashorties
elfin yew
AoS faction mechanics are WAY more uniaue too
crisp forge
dfsdfdf
elfin yew
Unique
crisp forge
yeah GW learned their lesson
elfin yew
YES
lusty frigate
Is GW ever going to revisit the space dwarfs or whatever? In 40k?
void orchid
Probably not in any major way, hard to say for sure tho
crisp forge
They have actually
crisp forge
they basically dont exist as a race anymore and more like nomads
elfin yew
Yeee
crisp forge
they got models too, aka the Squats
void orchid
GW did dwarves dirty with 40k
lusty frigate
Damn, sounded like a cool idea
void orchid
Rocks fall, everyone dies
In 40k end times a subset of them will show up from a different galaxy and be total bros and help finish turning the emp into a god for warhammer Age of Emperor
/tinfoil
lusty frigate
Sounds chadly of them
elfin yew
I got a Arkhan I have to assemble for LoN. The 2nd tallest hat
lusty frigate
Exactly how tall are these hats you speak of?
elfin yew
Skeletally humongous
elfin yew
Yeess
Im building my skeles now and want to expand into nighthaunts later
The ghodt models look grest
I love chainrasps esp
And the mortis engines
void orchid
Yeah dude
They've gotten really good at making sculpts of figures that are ghostly or have floating parts
Like that animated hollow set of armor
void orchid
Yeah
elfin yew
Yessss
void orchid
I just love all the huge models
Lol
Someday I'll do an ironclad
I still need to settle on a color scheme to get started tho
lusty frigate
Is it basic of me that I like the stormcast eternals
edgy cipher
They look better than space marines so you're forgiven
elfin yew
Snake mommy!
lusty frigate
Oh that's rad
edgy cipher
Yes
elfin yew
Also stormcsst eternals are awesome
edgy cipher
But its mostly because I like to paint the jade color
So sexy snakey elves with a bit of asian culture ? Count me the fuck in
I also like melee armies
lusty frigate
Glorious melee combat
elfin yew
My favorite stormhost are the uhh
Redeemed
And theyre like
Former chaos champions that Sigmar saved
And reforged
The first one got the corruption beaten out of him by Ghal Maraz dhdhdhd
void orchid
Former chaos champions that Sigmar saved
I love that this is a thing
elfin yew
Yesss
lusty frigate
I really really hope they make more kriegsmen
Without a doubt I'd play krieg if it wasn't so expensive
elfin yew
U could try kitbashing
Since the ww1 gas mask look and trenchcoat are so easy findable amongst other minis
lusty frigate
I suppose
void orchid
Make a mold of the gasmask and make your own heads
elfin yew
Also IMO Space marines wish they were Stormcast eternals
lusty frigate
That's big brain
elfin yew
SE are actual heroes
most of the time
Tho that's mostly because AoS isn't plagued by grimderp
lusty frigate
void orchid
Ok I love that
void orchid
My favorite kitbash is still the sneaky orks that assemble into a tank
lusty frigate
W h a t
elfin yew
Oh that's amazing
lusty frigate
That's the best thing I've ever seen
crisp forge
Im gonna admit
i had like a 10 second issue where i went
"whats up thats just a stormcast eternal"
then i saw the shoulder pads
elfin yew
FHSHD
crisp forge
its amazing how they are just space marines but in fantasy lol
plush swift
I think
sigmarines look more like space marines than primaris marines do
at least they did until bladeguard came abt
bladeguard look how they shoulda done
the whole thing
crisp forge
Yeah i feel like its the shoulderpads
I know that first one is a parody but you can see it lol
elfin yew
Finking: stormcasts look like space marines
Big finking: Space marines were based on chaos warriors from WHF
lusty frigate
O o h
plush swift
more chaos marines need the t-visors
lusty frigate
GW needs to make tau marines
Lore wise it's comepletely possible
And lookit this
C'mon how could you not
lusty frigate
Really? I thought tau let anyone join them
elfin yew
Used to it was possible
lusty frigate
Except for tyranids and orks
elfin yew
Tau recently declared Astartes apart of that group
edgy cipher
The taus view marines as weapons to kill
elfin yew
Yee
lusty frigate
Damn
lusty frigate
That seriously sucks
edgy cipher
Yeah, they have tried to be open with Marines and even tried mindworming them
hasty sorrel
tau let anyone join, doesnt mean everyone joins
elfin yew
Mindworming one during interrogation*
lusty frigate
Fair
elfin yew
😏
elfin yew
Tho It would be cool to see
Tau mechanicus
Since worship of the Omnissaiah seems compatible with Tau
hasty sorrel
uhhh
lusty frigate
Oh that's such a good idea oh my god
elfin yew
Praise of the emperor is
lusty frigate
Ughhhhh
elfin yew
It's just neutered
hasty sorrel
there is only the greater good
hasty sorrel
yes yes
elfin yew
There is a form of emperor worship within Gue'Vesa pops
It's just neutered to not be a deathcult
hasty sorrel
ye that got yeeted in recent lore
elfin yew
Really?
hasty sorrel
yes
elfin yew
Sauce me my boy
hasty sorrel
psychic awakening
lusty frigate
So no tau admech?
plush swift
doesn't astartes hypno-indoctrination stuff leave even chaos corrupted astartes often hating xenos?
lusty frigate
You got me hyped as fuck for a second damn
hasty sorrel
yes huff
elfin yew
Hang on
Don't give up just yet I've gotta find this
I wouldn't be shocked considering the direction of things but
hasty sorrel
basically aun theres was an uprising from human populace
lead to a whole bunch of people dying
elfin yew
Are you sure this wasn't just within the 4th sphere?
Because like
no wikis mentionn it
lusty frigate
It seems like it would work tho, unless the Omnissiah can't exist without all of the xenophobia
elfin yew
If nothing else you could always just make a custom sept which didn't fall in line with that
That's kinda what I plan to do because I have this feeling the Tau will only get edgier with time
Ex) the Your Dudes rule
hasty sorrel
tau have always been edgy
hasty sorrel
see: farsight
elfin yew
as time has gone on
Ex) 4th sphere hiccup
Can you source the psychic awakening thing?
Like somewhere readable
plush swift
it sounds like the implication in the setting is that they've been getting edgier because of what they keep encountering
hasty sorrel
not off the top of my head, was discussing it with a friend
elfin yew
It's moreso that the Tau suffered massive backlash from the community and were subsequently made edgier post release
hasty sorrel
i mean
elfin yew
i.e. grimderpified with some.. weird inconsistencies
hasty sorrel
i thought tau were always edgy
but it was subtle background stuff
cause they are politicians
so they dont tell you up front how fucked it all is
elfin yew
Even if you believe that It's pretty obvious that It's gotten worse with time
Tho 40k in general just has a lot of inconsistencies anyways so sdfuhndfn
near jungle
Only thing consistent in 40k is war, death, and destruction
elfin yew
What more do you need sdfdhfuhn
dusk hill
Yeah it's obvs not gonna be consistent, choose ur own headcanon
dusk hill
I read that in Bardins voice and I hate you for it
last words elf hears before being filled with crankgun shots
timid warren
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mortal orchid
@crisp forge bro, i didnt knew they added rambo to MK11