40k-minis-and-armies

[short pawn]

That past tense word is doing a lot of leg work in helping my point

[hollow goblet]

They need to sort their shit out production wise even if it's a shift in priorities

Stop releasing new fucking ultramarines every second day

Aeldar have an entire 3rd of their faction that doesn't exist in any significant way

Tau are essentially only a tiny fraction of their potential range with auxiliary specialists

Emperors Children outright do not exist

World Eaters, Votann and Thousand sons barely have a full range

But yea lets release 20 minis in a year that look exactly the fucking same and are just holding a bolter in a different post with 2 more purity seals than usual

The way that some space marine chapters get their own books and some get sidelined into the main codex is really awkwardly implemented and is essentially the company saying "These ones are the important ones and fuck you for liking the other ones" and you're left having to become a sculpting expert or literally paying 5x as much if you'd like decent looking Salamanders or Iron Hands, either they all get their own book or they're not unique enough to exist to begin with

Ad Mech players are just being openly extorted into buying twice as many of the most expensive models at this stage

Dark Admech when? Ynnari when? Harlequins when?

[silver thorn]

tonight is my first time painting flesh

😄

[plush swift]

I quit streaming due to drama from the warhammer community

[hollow goblet]

I'm just ranting at this stage but I'm genuinely sick to death of how half assed most of the faction support is

[vale pollen]

Gotta be more optimistic but it lol

[silver thorn]

thats why I dont really get people being mad about the AOS range squish... stormcast all look the SAME

[plush swift]

i got sick of having a paint company send their fans after me and lying about my qualifications

[silver thorn]

Kroot are awesome

KROOT RISE UP

(i want to get 2000 points in kroot now)

[plush swift]

its been like that for decades, if its not space marines, it doesnt get support

[ocean pendant]

It's been like that since man first crawled from the primordial soup and used a space marine figurine to beat another man to death.

[hollow goblet]

FR Tau are my favourite faction on paper, but the jarring difference between their lore as this multi-race utopic Star Wars/Halo/Mass Effect faction that should have a bunch of cool specialist units and different playstyles to their identity on tabletop where they're just Sniper-Gunline-Gundam-Guard with even less depth is so disappointing

[silver thorn]

i think it should be both, kroot are a nice step towards that 🙂

[hollow goblet]

They literally have a race of psyker owlbears in their lore GW are basically choosing to have less money by not making those minis

[plush swift]

i think it was the eldar who didnt get a new model for like 14 years

[hollow goblet]

Yeah Aeldar's complete lack of support is crazy, especially when they're always a top competitive faction

They seem to think a drukhari release counts as giving Aeldar anything

[plush swift]

they dont even update normal models

[hollow goblet]

There are aeldar models that are current competitive staples that are on their second divorce

Like unironically 25+ year old models that are the most current minis for that unit

[short pawn]

They'd make bank off all 4 tau players instead of all 600K space marine dedicated fans

[hollow goblet]

People would play other factions if they got minis

[short pawn]

I mean you can say that but that doesn't mean a major release would instantly draw in enough support to make it worth doing over a space marine

Its just market stuffs

[hollow goblet]

This is the logical fallacy GW fall on constantly, they soft released Ynnari, made the models too expensive, didn't promise any future support and then blamed us for killing the faction when no one invested in the new faction with overpriced models and a very dubious future

People buy space marines bc they're cheap and they're guaranteed to get support in the future, (they're also customizable and easy to paint, which helps, but so are Necrons)

[short pawn]

There's no fallacy brother space marines are literally just a safe bet

GW just likes riskless cash

I would personally play tau of they had more than 5 models

But marines are just money printers to their hound dog totally not weird community

Unfortunately GW's braindead schemes work really well

They completely fucked up the killteam release schluedes and everything still sold out instantly which is CRAZY

Also space marines are lowkey expensive af unless you mean third party

I saw a unit box for 70 bucks but idk if it was a gw store

[plush swift]

GW likes to increase prices by 5-40% every few months

[vernal mesa]

I've been a Sororitas fan for over a decade but the crummy and expensive metal models always kept me out of the hobby. They could definitely do better for the other factions and bring more people in. (RL reasons why I didn't start with their new plastic a few years back)

[short pawn]

ITS ACTUALLY SO INSANE

[plush swift]

very few companies do this, GW says its because on inflation, but it isnt

[short pawn]

I'm not against new models for other factions but the reality is that cool niche lore unit is not guaranteed cash like space marines is my point

[plush swift]

A few years back they broke several UK laws and nothing happened to them

[short pawn]

Shocker!

[vernal mesa]

GW is snorting so much cocaine in office they need those price hikes!

[short pawn]

Its unreal

It feels like the prices go up every other box

[vernal mesa]

Totally understand. I'm currently looking at a nearly EMPTY webstore because they can't be bothered to supply my country with product. I want to buy another Kill Team to have it shipping to me while I finish my current one, but for over a week the stores been empty

[silver thorn]

https://www.twitch.tv/pallychan

okay

ive never done this before lol

[short pawn]

Thats a huge issue I've heard for Polish players

I heard Poland literally just got their first GW store which is insane

[vernal mesa]

No official GW store, one official reseller, but there's a FUCKTON of US military that play.

[plush swift]

they break laws all the time, abuse the DMCA, abuse copyright, threatens people, sues people into homelessness, etc. its an awful company

[short pawn]

Based mega corporation just like me fr

God i hate them

Cool lore tho!

I would only ever be painting minis due to GW so its a love hate relationship

Painting was a miracle for my mental health but then subsequently destroyed it with the feeling of inadequacy so i just dropped it

[plush swift]

start it again

I'll give you some lessions

[short pawn]

Its just difficult to come home after getting treated like a dog at work and then looking at other peoples paint jobs and feeling like a dog

Hard to break the barrier

[vernal mesa]

So don't look at other peoples stuff

[short pawn]

My expectations are way too high for my skill level

[short pawn]

Grrrr simple solution

I HATE t when theres a very easy way to solve my problem

[vernal mesa]

hah, I know easier said than done

[short pawn]

I can def try that but it's also just my expectations of how my miniature looked in my head vs how it looks in front of me

[vernal mesa]

But honestly, if painting helps deal with stress of work, paint for yourself

[short pawn]

Thats probably the best advice I've ever gotten

I usually paint so i have pretty pictures to show off

[plush swift]

naw, i'll break it

I do it all the time for people

I do teach art therapy after all

[vernal mesa]

Painting has been helping me a lot recently and I feel a lot better. My hands are shakey AF and I've completely skipped the faces because after trying 3 I gave up, but the rest of the process has been very calming for me even if I know it's not what I wanted 100%. There's always next time and next model.

[short pawn]

A huge issue i used to have was obsessinig over how my work in progress shit looked as well

Friend just told me to stop taking pictures and I was chilling for awhile

[short pawn]

Truth!

[vernal mesa]

Yep, phrase I heard recently was "Trust the process" and just ignore how it looks on step 2 of 20.

[silver thorn]

i suck at this lmao

[plush swift]

you'd been painting for how long?

[short pawn]

It'll be a year in 2 months

[plush swift]

this one just drank their paint water by accident

[short pawn]

I made pretty drastic leaps in progress but eventually (obviously) hit a standstill

But i think i will try again monday

I usually only get one day off a week

[vernal mesa]

I see a full jar still.

Oooh Pally is painting Sisters!

[plush swift]

you're new and you have no training, take a few lessions with me, i'll show you how to improve, also the only person you should ever compare yourself to is yourself not someone who's been painting for 150 years and licked a block of lead paint as a kid

[short pawn]

LMFAO

[plush swift]

your first step is, what are you trying to achieve. A normal tabletop standard? a tabletop plus? Competition showcase?

Im very serious about painting

[short pawn]

I'm mainly in it for the game but im not in a rush

Tabletop plus likely

I don't want every model to take me over 20 hours but i dont want contrast paint base done

[plush swift]

tabletop plus caan easily take 10-30 hours per model. Contrast paint isnt actually a bad option, you can get really impressive things with it if you adopt some more advanced techniques

But TT+ is a respectable want

showcase models are 300+ hours

[short pawn]

My main focus is story telling in my models thats my shit

I also hate the look of eavy metal and in general most edge highlighting

[plush swift]

then dont do it

You dont need to do that

i edge highlight with metallics to give a battle damaged look

[short pawn]

Yup thats what i love

Man i really want to paint now

Might paint my ogryns

[plush swift]

do it, and if you want someone to paint with at anytime, just hit me up

[twilit sun]

could you technially use these as proxy gaurdsmen?

[tiny cairn]

in a gw tournament? no. At a LGS, most will let you do it but check before

[plush swift]

you could use bottlecaps as proxy guardman for all i care if its friendliies

[twilit sun]

figured as much

just saw these and i wanna paint them even tough i still gotta finish my death korps guys lol

[plush swift]

GW stores dont really allow proxies at all or 3d prints

[twilit sun]

yea i heard about that

[plush swift]

most LGSs dont care

in fact a lot hate GW to the point they say "you should bring in 3d printed armies"

[twilit sun]

[tiny cairn]

If you are playing with rogue trader rules you are expected to proxy things

[silver thorn]

was streaming painting for fun

and got to realize in front of multiple people i painted my cape backwards

[plush swift]

You also didnt lick your brush or drink your paint water. Not a true hobbiest

[silver thorn]

xD

[vernal mesa]

If the Radium Girls taught me anything, it's that licking your brushes is the worst mistake to make! (||Second would be trusting big corporations to protect employees instead of their bottom line||)

[mint merlin]

I had to stop myself multiple times from drinking the paint water; because I liked to always have a glass of water to actually drink from when painting as a kid.

I learned since then to just drink from a bottle instead

much safer

[silver thorn]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/Grot-Tanks

this is the funniest and cutest model in warhammer

[brisk vapor]

yes but did you see the new blood bowl team

[silver thorn]

omg i love it

silly little guys

https://tenor.com/view/hobbit-adventure-gif-18135104

me running to play a friendly pick up game of murder rugby on the hobbiton green

[brisk vapor]

[vernal mesa]

And, I’m done with them. So many places I can improve but for now these lil’uns are ready to be stuck in a display case and await their opposing teams completion.

And yes, I cheated and stuck a bolter in the team instead of an autogun, gave the exactor a sword instead of a whip, and reliquarious has a bolt pistol instead of an auto pistol.

[vernal mesa]

Next project was too appealing. Gotta figure out how to do the hand.

[brisk vapor]

Copper started

[rare hornet]

First of many completed

[visual turret]

my favourite diroama guy's made some wild west marines

https://youtu.be/2K-38iPzaIw

Boylei you've done it again

[wise shuttle]

Chapter Master done! Chapter Master Ramiel of the Knights Judiciar

[royal compass]

that's based on the captain with relic shield, right? How easy was the head switch?

[wise shuttle]

Head switch is very easy. Hard part was changing out the torso and legs for the Master Lazarus kit

The sword on his back is from the inner circle companions kit

[visual turret]

oh that's clean

[vernal mesa]

That's one pretty Knight!

[vale pollen]

A real good look

[short pawn]

As someone who needs to finish a project in one sitting or else they never revisit it, you scare me

[brisk vapor]

don't think I've finished a model in one sitting in like 6 years

or well, I did that one 'speed paint' model last month which took 3 hours from clear plastic to finished

[plush swift]

Thats just quitters talk

imagine taking breaks

[brisk vapor]

man's gotta sleep

[plush swift]

nope

sleep is for casuals

do you think Kiril sleeps?

[brisk vapor]

Who's Kiril

[plush swift]

Kirill Kanaev

[brisk vapor]

quite certainly, he has the time for it

[plush swift]

Nope, because that would defeat my elitism

[teal wolf]

not even a lil coffin nap?

[short pawn]

How long is your typical painting session?

[brisk vapor]

2 to 3 hours usually

sometimes more

[short pawn]

That makes sense

I usually only painted for minimum 6 hours

I think my worst was 16 hours straight

[brisk vapor]

I used to do that when I was jobless or on vacations but just can't anymore in addition to my day job

also did a couple around the clock sessions, didn't feel great for my back

[short pawn]

I feel called out

[brisk vapor]

[lavish crescent]

21hrs straight...

[lavish crescent]

Best time is Saturday for long painting sessions, also Friday night. Don't do Sunday due to Monday

[rare hornet]

Another tactical marine done, definitely liking how quick it is to do these guys

[midnight cairn]

My first impression was that it's a bit too blue for oxidized copper, misses a green tint. But on second thought, it's your art and it looks fantastic.

[brisk vapor]

fair enough and not yet fully complete 😄

going for a bit more vibrant look overall

[mint dove]

Ugh I feel like painting 10 stormboyz and now having to paint 5 meganobz has sapped my will to paint and threw me headfirst into hobby burnout zone :/ I'm so upset

It seems like everything is going wrong today, I keep painting outside the line, my brushes keep fraying and I even did a base coat of a thicker color for my ushabti bone and the finish still came out feeling bumpy and rough

[plush swift]

it is in fact not really too blue, this is verdigris pigment

and this is lab grown copper acetate, which is the same chemical as verdigris

[plush swift]

different things will affect the look of copper

examples can also be found in paint like phthalo pigments

they are copper based pigments such as beta copper phthalocyanine(pb15:3), epsilon copper phthalocyanine(pb15:6) which are blues and polyclorinated copper phthalocyanine(pg7), bromated and chlorinated Copper phthalocyanine(pg36) and polychloro copper phthalocyanine(pg42) which are greens

There are more examples but yeah, verdigris has a huge range of colors

[short pawn]

I think your brain is cool

[sterile grail]

i wonder how many hours total do you spend on a mini on average

[plush swift]

Naw, my autism just picked pigments as my special interest over trains

[brisk vapor]

It varies a lot, some take 12 and some 50

Some 4

[signal crane]

Blade Guard Captain Kitbash WIP

[jade swift]

That's cool looking

[jade swift]

Is the body one of those new inner circle guys?

[signal crane]

It is yeah

[signal crane]

Inner Circle for the body and pistol arm, head is from a DA upgrade sprue, shield from Deathwing Knights, shoulder from an intercessor, cape and left arm from the company heroes ancient, and the backpack which is currently separate is from the Indomitus chaplain

All for a single captain worth 80 points

But the satisfaction of knowing mine is unique

[jade swift]

Yeah I get that

[signal crane]

And since I want an “Azrael” for my Successor but not have it be Azrael I’m gonna magnetize him to go from 40mm to 50mm bases

[hollow goblet]

Does anyone know if the free Terminator always comes with a shield?

Want to go get it specifically so I have a shielded terminator for my SoT conversion and I'd rather not head all the way into the city and just get a random one I won't use

[midnight cairn]

It's a deathwing knight, it always has a shield, yes.

[midnight cairn]

See the verdigris in the picture above looks like what I expected, I had no idea about the range of blue tones.

[plush swift]

yeah it can some in a ton of colors, including yellow, its all about what its exposed to while being out in the elements

can even be a super bright cyan like color

[brisk vapor]

Here's what I loosely used as inspiration

This one's just a bit more warm than what I ended up with

And this

[midnight cairn]

Yeah, top picture is what my mind expected, bottom pic is what I see in your photo of the mini.

[edgy jackal]

Yes, the dude has no options, just the sword and shield.

[hollow goblet]

Aight fuck yeah

It's all coming together

[mint dove]

Finished my meganobz today. Got them tabletop ready,nothing more, I think I'm gonna take a break from painting or at least find a new way to paint yellow, I feel like I'm in a rut

[sterile grail]

Definition of trust the process.

[midnight locust]

Clean tank done; needs some wear and tear though

[brisk vapor]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/08/the-new-face-of-hate-fury-a-first-look-at-the-next-generation-of-skaven-clanrats/

Rats!!!!

[white tangle]

a rubber room.

[plush swift]

the science behind verdigris is really interesting

[silver thorn]

i didnt go thin enough....

[plush swift]

getting it thin enough takes a lot

[silver thorn]

idk how to salvage

am sadge

[short pawn]

Everyday i have to walk past my crime

[plush swift]

strip it

[crude solstice]

Ephrael Stern?

she's looking healthier than she did in her old mini

I recently got the green stuff world paint remover and it worked really well

Though check if it’s compatible with the material of the mini

[brisk vapor]

Improvements on the already painted green areas and started to base the remaining areas for it

[short pawn]

I think i am just going to take a break from painting white scars i just can't crack the code of not being artistically incompetent

However i am painting cool Japanese figures instead

[plush swift]

partially, it causes polystyrene to degradate faster

(also despite their claims, its not the best stuff on the market, its just oven degreaser with marketing)

[crude solstice]

it smells like the old fairy power spray I used to use before they changed the formula to that

is there any way to tell which oven degreasers will work to save me poundcoins?

[plush swift]

I dont know UK well degreasers unfortunately, I know biostrip works but I havent been able to get any to test it in a very long time to see if the forumla changed

https://nationalpolystyrene.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Chemical-Resistance-Table.pdf

caustic soda generally is fairly decent at removing paint

I make it myself when im too lazy to go out and buy LA's totally awesome

roughly a 10% solution is what does it

dont want to go higher

[signal plover]

great blue, how did you achieve it?

[mint dove]

The key to painting good white is not to paint white at all

[median thistle]

That is primed with macragge blue, and it’s just straight Vallejo game colour magic blue, with a little bit of water to keep it flowing

[mint dove]

Paint a base coat of a gray, wash with light gray and slowly build up to lighter and lighter gray until you reach the top most highlight and do pure white

[median thistle]

Use the macragge to be a nice dark blue for anything you can’t reach or want to have a depth or recess

[mint dove]

Like look at this white scar

[mint dove]

Very little of the armor is ACTUALLY white

[signal plover]

prime grey seer
sepia wash
drybrush white scar
done

[mint dove]

Exactly,

[plush swift]

naw, just paint white

and then tone it down

vastly easier and quicker

Legit, you can save a few hours per model if you do light to dark

[mint dove]

I told a friend I would paint some minis for him. Reeeeeally regretting it

These are some of the worst minis I've ever seen, like what the fuck is this

[devout lake]

Show the minis

[hearty bear]

Wait, stern used to be a dreadnought?

[mint dove]

I will no longer make fun of gw for blurry detail

[devout lake]

looks good so far

[plush swift]

those mold lines

🤮

thats not even a you thing, thats a problem with the model as a whole

[mint dove]

I told him "I'm sorry but I cannot paint these as good as o usually do, I'm gonna do a zenithal drybrush and contrast paint

And they're supposedly "pre primed" yet the contrast paint wouldn't even adhere

[short pawn]

I did

Just cant do it right

[mint dove]

I will say I'm not the foremost authority on painting white

@plush swift ,tag in

[plush swift]

What are you using?

[short pawn]

Titanium White from golden acrylic, grey seer, and apothecary white. Probably going to drop the apothecary white for soulblight because the contrast paint is far too patchy on marines

But for some reason my golden acrylic paint is still incredibly runny

Like runnier than high flow

I did an apothecary white wash over the grey seer primer then drybrushed pure white

[signal plover]

Highly recommend treating apothecary white as just a wash

it's kinda useless as a contrast paint IMO

[short pawn]

I was using it as a wash

[signal plover]

Oh nevermind then I'm useless

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-stab-spongebob-stab-anime-stab-gif-20196230

[short pawn]

It's just too patchy for my liking, I'd prefer a solid base and not the swirly messy bits it leaves behind

Its okay i still love you

[signal plover]

I use it as a wash over silver when I don't feel like wasting my precious old formula nuln oil

[short pawn]

My plan is to battle damage the fuck out of it but i just dont like it rn

[signal plover]

that's def from it pooling

[short pawn]

It's like an aged wine

[short pawn]

Most definitely

[signal plover]

I painted white successfully once

it was many years ago

using my trusty tub of the worst white citadel paint ever made: ceramite white

I was painting a horus heresy world eater, I undercoated it silver and did 4 coats of white with a brown wash

[short pawn]

I made the genius decision to pick up a new army of a notoriously difficult chapter to paint in the midst of an extreme hobby burnout and being over worked, hindsight is 20/20

[short pawn]

BASE WORLD EATER THO

I think the worst paint ive ever used was Citadel's orruk flesh

[signal plover]

I spent like 500 bucks resurrecting my old deathwatch project yesterday and have allowed my friends to select which chapters' shoulderpads go on each marine, with the stipulation I have to learn to freehand the ones I don't have shoulderpads for

[short pawn]

Its literally jusf water

[short pawn]

That's actually sick as hell

Deathwatch are criminally cool

[signal plover]

They're awesome!

Not many of us deathwatch players left

https://tenor.com/view/tlou-the-last-of-us-joel-video-game-gif-16648274

our only unique model kits left are the watch master and corvus blackstar

and kill team cassius

[short pawn]

Deathwatch have their own rules right?

[signal plover]

Yea

but rumor is they're getting rolled together with inquisitors and agents for the new codex

which is fine by me

I have my watch captain artemis model and I'm forever grateful that I do

[mint dove]

I thought these were official Wotc minis for dnd and was confused by the lack of quality

But I just went to the shop and looked, and the Dnd minis look fine. these have to be some knockoff of a knockoff for how bad these are

[plush swift]

shake it a lot

[plush swift]

I see the issue already, use it more as aa pin wash than an all over wash

[plush swift]

the D&D minis are low end as a whole, but yeah that flash is awful

[mint dove]

Exactly, I remember them being sub pat but paintong these is gonna SUCK

[short pawn]

More than 3 minutes?

[plush swift]

it being more runny than high flow is very odd, also you can call golden, tell them the issue and they are more than likely going to send you a replacement

the fluids are very thin though

high flows are just thinner

[short pawn]

Makes sense

They feel pretty difficult to work with but i know they're better

[silver thorn]

I got some extra sisters heads that I mounted on paper clips to practice with

and im ordering some really cheap bulk female faces off the internet to practice

PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT

[true path]

I painted a word bearer master of possession. Not -quite- finished but I'd put him on a tabletop.

second try at OSL.

[true path]

looking forward to eventually shooting these guys in darktide

[hollow goblet]

God I hope so.

That or a wildcard option: I think Necrons would be a sick second faction

Same kinda shambling undead horde vibe but a little more ranged-oriented with some neat I-can't-believe-it's-not-pyschic shenanigans

[true path]

siiiiick

[mint dove]

They put badrukk in legends, I am beyond upset

I didn't even get to fucking use him

What am I gonna do with all My flash gitz now

[true path]

you can still use him in casual games

[vernal mesa]

Which drill bit size are you using? I was trying to drill a foot last night because the palatine only has a single small contact with the base. Even a 0.8mm was scaring me with how big it was compared to Sisters.

Not to mention the hand I just gave up on drilling.

[silver thorn]

i just left part of the sprue on

and glued that to the tip

[vernal mesa]

ahh, was hoping for some tips on Sisters. Everything I find is big chonky boys like Marines and paperclips.

Which heads did you order? Myminifactory?

[silver thorn]

ebay auction of 50 random bits heads for 10 bucks

[vernal mesa]

Ooh, That'd do it as well

[hollow goblet]

Most sisters kits leave you with a bunch of spare heads bc they tend to have the option to choose between hairstyles/helmeted so it should be reasonably easy to find some secondhand heads on facebook market/ebay/miniswap etc

I'm pretty sure I have like 10 of the He-Man looking heads and I don't even play sisters and have almost no intention outside of maybe painting a chaos corrupted Novitiates kill team down the line

[silver thorn]

heresy

[hollow goblet]

Its hard for me to justify collecting sisters when anything I like about them is covered by thousand sons generally. I like the flamers and magic tricks and glass cannon style but I kinda prefer the flavour of how ksons presents it

Plus I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than paint that much cloth lol

[silver thorn]

I really dont like miracle dice as a mechanic tbh

I do like the half strength rules though

I just love the models a lot, and the theme

[hollow goblet]

Yeah I have a friend who collects them he's similar, I think Sisters players are similar to admech players, people just kinda decide they like the faction and tend to ignore meta or anything else around them bc Nuns with Guns is cool and most of their rules support the theme well

[short pawn]

what the fuck who says that oh my god lmfao

that is the craziest thing ive ever heard

i read that as i was playing vermintide and my friend and i are just having a fit over it im just sold

[hollow goblet]

https://youtu.be/hXiCV06IoHo?si=IW5Owe8AOrIQpoWT

It's from the Big Lez show

I'm so glad this is the only significant cultural export my country has ever contributed to society at large

[short pawn]

Genuinely caught me off guard i was choking on pure hysteric

jumpscare

You should see this one mini i got its 99% folded cloth

[plush swift]

it takes some time to get used to them

think of them as prethinned

[silver thorn]

ONE TANGERINE

TWO TANGERINE

OOOO

OOOOO

THREE TANGERINES

[hollow goblet]

OOOOOOHH I'M GONNA USE THESE MONEY TO FEED THE O'PHANS

[silver thorn]

idk why thats my favorite scene in the whole thing lol

love clarence he deserves better

T_T

[short pawn]

How hard do you guys think cel shading is

[vale pollen]

Pretty hard but shit looks good

[short pawn]

This mf would simply be attractive with a bright and cheerful art style

[vernal mesa]

The chaotic novitiates would be interesting. Sucks the models have the habit as part of the body and the face is literally a faceplate slipped into the habit. Those fuckers are so small!

On second thought, if I had the bits and a little more experience I’d change their heads out and do all that cutting and modeling so I never have to paint those things again!

[silver thorn]

or you could just use some extra sisters heads

BSS with no helmet is just a generic angry female head sculpt basically

[vernal mesa]

That’s a head

I carved the flamer rebreather mask of one of those little things so it fit into a second model. That may be my proudest edit of the novitiates. Those things SUCK

Y’all wanna send some of these extra heads you’re talking about my way? Would love the spare heads to kitbash sisters of silence as female crusaders!

[hollow goblet]

Whereabouts are you country-wise? I could send bits but international shipping out of australia is unreasonably expensive

[vernal mesa]

Haha South Korea. I was joking. Might buy some bss for heads and models but right now I’m looking at the blooded and gellerpox boxes my local store just got.

[hollow goblet]

Highly recommend Gellarpox box

Some of the nicest sculpts I've ever seen

[vernal mesa]

Sisters of silence are always in stock and can be acquired anytime. Kill teams sell out quick

[hollow goblet]

Blooded team is a bit of a weird one I think Pingus was the one complaining about it, but you essentially can't build the full team out of one box and you always need to buy at least two and have random spare useless minis

[vernal mesa]

Gelllarpox was my original idea… then blooded also came and I can make a diorama with the novitiates. Gellerpox is 20+models

[hollow goblet]

Hierotek circle is similar but it's easier to find those extra deathmark/immortals (Or just do what I did and build all deathmarks and buy cheap royal wardens to run as immortals)

[vernal mesa]

I’m not playing them… my novitiates have 3 bolt guns, 2 flamers, and just all kinds of nonsense that was fun to build more than play.

[hollow goblet]

Having two of your HQ options not be buildable from the box and deliberately on bases that are 10mm shorter so you can't proxy is such an insanely scumbag move from GW tho

[hollow goblet]

Yee I gotchu lol

[vernal mesa]

Currently taking one of the banners from novitiates and bashing it into a palatine because it looks cool.

Inquisitorial Agents box is kind of like that. 12 options, but 6 models. And not even a full team

[mint dove]

But since we got a grot vehicle detachment in thr ork codex I'm gonna start painting my grot tanks but I'm gonna do them in orange instead of yellow. Signify that the grots in my army were once prisoners of the orks but no longer!

[silver thorn]

blooded has the beautiful chaos ogryn tho

that model is so cool

I got two novitiates boxes at a really good price and I am going to build the kill team once I get better at faces

but its also nice to have because you can kitbash any sororitas character from the whats in the box

so its a really good value if you want to make all those sororitas characters and dont have the know/means/inclination to print them yourself yarrr

(sororitas characters are insanely overpriced its unreal)

[brisk vapor]

Are they more expensive than other factions'?

[silver thorn]

the characters are monopose, one sprue

[brisk vapor]

Seems pretty similar to other ranges ngl

[silver thorn]

its rough imo, the pricing. should be like 10 bucks for aestred, not 40

but people buy it so I guess the price is right

[brisk vapor]

The amount of plastic and model count isn't directly in correlation to the final price. No kit will cost less than X €/$/£ when no matter the amount of models in it. The more you have usually the cheaper the single model within usually costs for GW to produce/ship so it kinda feels odd when you just look at single models

But after you think about the costs behind the product it makes more sense

[silver thorn]

yea but thats just bad value. theres nothing about the sororitas sculpts that are more complex or harder to design than the squads themselves

the plastic is cheap

the sculpt is expensive if you count the cost of designers but way more scultping goes into a squad, especially something like the BSS

[brisk vapor]

Doing a single sculpt is not much easier than many similar sculpts especially nowadays with digital sculpting when you can reuse lots of the assets

[silver thorn]

the only thing that has value is the "IP"

theres nothing in the production line that justifies those prices. its purely a "because people will" type deal

I dont blame GW at all, if raising prices doesnt lower demand

clearly the fair price point is higher

[brisk vapor]

There is lots of free space in the pricing for sure but not ridiculously I feel

[silver thorn]

But im not paying that, its not worth it to me, its a horrible mark up made to gouge whales and stupid people

they are making more money now then they ever have been in history

they could literally afford to lower prices and still be making more money than they did 3 years ago

but a corporation cannot do that, it has to set the highest price possible

they have a legal obligation to do so, its literally required by law to be profit driven

if you look at other model companies that produce similar quality models GWs prices are almost double what smaller, lower volume companies are producing (and lower volume means lower ROI)

and im talking the very high quality sculpts GW makes, Im not saying their products arent very high quality

(outside of FW)

[brisk vapor]

Like you can have a model kit with a single model with the base price of say $30, then adding another model to it doesn't automatically mean the price doubles, lots of the work for the kit is already done with the first model, package size and manufacturing costs. Another model realistically probably means more of an 20% increase rather than 100% and the increase lessens for each similar model added to it. Until the sprue size needs to be larger when all the other expenses will increase exponentially so then you want to use multiples of that sized sprue to again minimize the sunk cost to that specific kit and so on

[silver thorn]

Yea but 30 is already something on offer with a huge amount of profit baked in

if it was 30 to produce a kit like say

lets say this is really the base price of a single kit, no matter how many models it has

then why can competitors offer similar quality for 1/3 the price?

the first thing I think of is higher cost of labor in england

[brisk vapor]

I'm sure they have a nice profit margin in the kits they manufacture but nothing as wild as you probably think they do

[silver thorn]

the second thing I think of is that 40ks IP is so valuable they can charge more

demand is higher for 40k IP products than 3rd party products

well the cost of production is REALLY low so its all about the initial cost

of like the designing and manufacture of the molds

but I think its really hard to estimate that because like, they would pay basically the same amount to have the infrastructure to produce new molds and sculpts wether they made any particular kit or not

[brisk vapor]

Yes those are the main cost sink rather than the actual production line for them

[silver thorn]

Yea but they arent paying per kit, they are paying for the entire infrastructure

so its not productive to thing in terms of like say

It cost 550000 USD to set this model up

to be produced for 1 cent forever

because they would have spent that money ANYWAY

because they need an entire factory that does these things regardless of any particular model coming out

if they never made a single character ever again they would spend the same amount of money

because they need a constantly supply of new models and molds to drive revenue

so its more the cost of ALL new models/sprues for a given block of time

and theyve shown they can pass value onto the consumer with kits like battle sisters or admech

who are incredibly detailed, on the level of the characters

with their basic infantry squad

maybe im rambling lol... I agree with what you are saying

but I think the big cost differance is that the 40k IP is so valuable to consumers they can charge more

and I do think they are pricing out a lot of people with those prices overall it drives revenue for them because whales are better customers than

you know

the average gamer

[brisk vapor]

and I agree with the fact that the IP will increase the price but I don't think that matters more than 10% of the final price, if even that

[silver thorn]

maybe, it would be interesting to see.

I think things like brexit, cost of living and cost of labour in britain are a huge factor too

GW probably takes decent care of its work force

[brisk vapor]

certainly and the price of shipping from china has also quadrupled during covid (books)

[silver thorn]

Well, we know the books are definitely way over priced because there are A LOT more competitors

to compare pricing on

and they do things like bundle the overpriced books with other products

thats why they are so anti piracy, because the actual value of the book is low so you dont want to buy it unless you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TOO

thats why they went back on the rules are free if you subscribe to warhammer plus

the rules app doesnt have the codexes unless you put a code into your warhammer+ account

[brisk vapor]

pretty shipping a container filled with books costs more than the manufacturing of said books at this time

[silver thorn]

its up, but not that much

I ship things from china regularly and at least for personal freight its not much higher

hmm do some preliminary googling I guess its MUCH worse for freight shipping so like

it wouldnt affect the goofy things i buy

[brisk vapor]

yeah an average Joe hasn't gotten hit that hard, at least yet

[silver thorn]

pre/post houthi shipping crisis

also I do believe that the current round of GW price increases happened pre this event so

[brisk vapor]

it was about a year ago iirc

[silver thorn]

I can appreciate them trying to keep production local but its clear that they cant scale their production to meet demand (of customers or sculpters) which sux

they have to keep cancelling products because they cant afford to make so many different models

[brisk vapor]

they did start building a new factory last fall too iirc

[silver thorn]

yea I heard that

who knows how long that will take

in the short term they have to cancel a lot of projects that people want

and stop serving the international market

LGS got screwed out of a lot of new products because GW cant support the demand from them and stock their own stores

i saw people say that it was a conspiracy to screw LGS again (which GW has done multiple times before) but imo its all related to the production bottleneck

[brisk vapor]

Yeah I'm 100% it's just production issues rather than any planned malice

[silver thorn]

40k demand has like, quadrupled in the last 4 years

covid got a lot of new people into the models

[brisk vapor]

And Primaris saved GW regardless of what anyone says

[silver thorn]

it was weak overall but I get the scale issues

I just really hate how most primaris designs look

so GOOFY xD

[brisk vapor]

in all honesty there's like two that are actually a bit goofy, the rocket dudes and the kart

rest are fine to excellent

[teal wolf]

Phobos armor my beloved ❤️

[brisk vapor]

I just wish there were more tanks with dreads

[silver thorn]

YIKES

[brisk vapor]

still better than the attack bike

[teal wolf]

Driver would be so deaf

[silver thorn]

I have zero problems with the hellblasters tho:

[brisk vapor]

if you want to hear more about the production pipeline of GW, the Painting Phase youtube channel has two podcasts with a ex-GW middle manager or whatever who was heavily involved in the production side of things during until the 8th edition or so. He has given quite nice insight of how things like Contrast paints and such were developed

these were before Peachy left the channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-63A7cDkOm8

this guy

there's one more episode with him a few months after this episode iirc

[teal wolf]

Alot of the former gw employee stories are very eye opening

[silver thorn]

it would be a cool company to work for 😄

[crude solstice]

[brisk vapor]

probably, though the pay isn't the greatest apparently

[visual turret]

Phobos armour my BELOATHED

[faint lantern]

Say goodbye to your ears

[vernal mesa]

Aren’t those helmets void sealed? Dudes got his noise cancelling BigEPods in and blasting his hymn playlist while driving. If it’s a guardsmen then I’d be worried.

[teal wolf]

They probably do have some fancy earpro, but he's still directly under it

[silver thorn]

hes got a song playing

its billy joel

[vernal mesa]

Which is why I think most of the HQs you see are just kitbash of a few simple models or add necromunda Escher gang bits. The actual HQs are rarely seen when I’m googling for ideas.

[silver thorn]

Yea, the Novitiates kit is amazing 😄

It can be anything you want it to be

[vernal mesa]

I still have the two handed “drawing out a power sword” hands and I NEED something to use them. Was going to do it on the Palatine but it doesn’t line up well. Might kitbash another palatine with a different body later. So many good lil bits. (Except autoguns.. fuck the autoguns are ugly)

[white tangle]

I dont understand what they were thinking with designs like that. That image looks like what a hotwheels collab with 40k i imagine looking like.

[worldly pawn]

I wish GW would make updated chaos terminators for their 10th edition loyalist counterparts

[hollow goblet]

Yeah and they have the issue of being monopose and built in a way where it's hard to kitbash/swap parts on them easily which sucks

[short pawn]

Tbh roughly 30 dollars is relatively normal for a single character in most independent ventures and skirmish game projects

At least from what ive seen

I've seen a lot

[plush swift]

tabletop games are insanely niche so you put a higher cost on them to counter act that, however with the rise of 3d printing theyve become more popular. No one really got into them because they were expensive and because they were seen as super negative

if we want to talk about outragious, we should be rioting at the cost of hobby paints

[short pawn]

Yes! Thats the major issue with GW pricing imo

Holy fuck dude 50 bucks for 55 points for my guardsman army! But thankfully guard often have massive bundles

[plush swift]

2thin coats is also more expensive than citadel

[short pawn]

The warhammer army boxes are pretty good value imo

20 guardsmen and 2 tabks for 210

God i still have 40 guardsmen to assemble...

[plush swift]

I have 200 necrons to assemble and paint

and 2 leviathan boxes

[short pawn]

Why are you

[plush swift]

Im not dont worry

I firmly believe in leaving them grey and buying more

[ocean pendant]

Easy, just gotta spray them silver and dip them in Nuln oil

[plush swift]

No

[ocean pendant]

[plush swift]

I refuse to do them in such a basic bitch way

NMM the entire army

[ocean pendant]

Eww

Don't like NMM

[plush swift]

all at SMC levels

[plush swift]

nor do I

NMM isnt very attractive in 99% of situations

[ocean pendant]

Feel like it's an overly complicated technique and even when it's done incredibly well 95% of the time it still looks worse than if you'd just painted it normally

[plush swift]

its not overly complicaated, its actually stupidly easy. Its something you learn day 1 in art school and its considered a low skill brainless technique

but this is how fine art views it

They want more metallics over there

[ocean pendant]

Very complicated

[plush swift]

doing fake gold leaf with paint is considered high skill

which I do most days as temp repair

[mint dove]

How do i drybrush correctly? Everytime i try it either turns out thick and uneven or too light and dusty. I have some specialised drybrushes, a gw sable S,M drybrush aand only of the army painter angled ones. I just need to know how to do ot correctly

[short pawn]

I feel like nmm has a time and a place and only certain styles support it fully in miniatures

Eavy metal style with nmm makes me vomit

[plush swift]

i mean I can teach you, its really not that had

[short pawn]

I wanna paint my little samurai dudes in a comic style

[plush swift]

you want very very little amounts of paint on there, thicker paint is better. SO soft or heavy bodied will give you a better effect than a thinned one

[ocean pendant]

Thanks for the offer, but brain too small to understand directional lighting and I've no desire to learn it because I dislike it's results.

[plush swift]

You dont actually need to understand it funny enough, but its less about doing a non metallic metal and more about the concept of highlighting as a whole

thats all NMM is

just high lighting and understanding midtones

glazing and blending are in there

and blending is vastly simpler the way you're supposed to do it, not the way hobby people do it

light to dark, not dark to light

[vernal mesa]

makeup brushes, save tons of money and dont buy hobbiest dry brushes. chunky and round tips. https://youtu.be/1LMjHjzuUEM?si=UBUiecBm6GMqDMo2

Uncle Adam's got a rather soothing voice. Fun to listen while painting.

[silver thorn]

youll never finish

xD

[prime crown]

I finally got around to do more models

I present you

Loyalist beastmen

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825801717999468574/1227258638578745344/IMG_7080.jpg?ex=6627c0ac&is=66154bac&hm=a6dcd9089abb938e3a6415cbb74e9d21affbeed09fe39dcb0c2e2a13bfb419c1&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825801717999468574/1227258639362953359/IMG_7081.jpg?ex=6627c0ac&is=66154bac&hm=262ff697176f9700b280ddf946b6629b53f285154051d164d72310e715c1eb73&

I still need to do some touchups, I havet touched greenstuff in like 4 months

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825801717999468574/1227258663681523712/IMG_7079.jpg?ex=6627c0b2&is=66154bb2&hm=273f6d57a8e32bf2951c2017873885cf34baef488f3627bf158f9b397eeaa8d2&

[midnight cairn]

Love the hat, makes it look so goofy.

[prime crown]

Thats how you know he's loyal

[plush swift]

an NMM necron would take me 20 or 30 minutes, maybe 3 hours if im trying

speaking of which, here are some proper color wheels for you @silver thorn

and a CMY educational wheel

[mint dove]

So from my minimal reaserch into drybrushing today heres my limited understanding tell me if i got anything wrong

1. Dont use thin paint
   2.use a texture pallete not a paper towel
   3.wet the brush a small bit on a damp sponge
2. Use a soft makeup brush if possible
3. Do soft circular motions not up and down

[ocean pendant]

I hear that texture palates are a hoax

[rare hornet]

First half of the tactical squad battle ready

[vernal mesa]

Texture palette is like buying a wet palette, if you want to spend sure… but a piece of cardboard works just as well if you’re worried about the paper towel getting in the paint.

Up and down works as well as circles. It depends on the surface and how you’re applying. Example, coils of a plasma. Up and down on the coils will get just the edges, circular would spread around.

[midnight locust]

Using my buddy’s spare tau breachers as test models for my next army. Any opinions on the above two schemes?

[naive umbra]

Assuming you're going for a Farsight Enclaves army? They both look good, but also very standard FSE scheme.

[midnight locust]

Yes I’m going FSE

The right one will have the FSE emblem on the shoulder pad in the final version

[naive umbra]

I think I prefer the darker red on the right scheme

[midnight locust]

So red fatigues with grey armor panels

[naive umbra]

Not necessarily. It would look cool with red panels and grey fatigues too (both are equally cool looking imo) but just keep the red the darker shade like you have on the right fatigues

[visual turret]

I cocked up

my knight legs are gonna need something to support it properly

augh

[plush swift]

you dont need a texture pallete, I use my desk and i dont notice a difference. Also you can do up and down, it just requires a soft touch

[plush swift]

marginally, not entirely.

they do something, just not if youre using small bits of paint

[mint dove]

Ahh okay, and wetting the brush. Do I just tap the brush on the wet sponge?

[plush swift]

yes, but I dont do that as it tends to make things harder for what i want

[silver thorn]

saved

actually super useful thank you

[plush swift]

figured you needed a decent one

[midnight locust]

Continuing the test paint schemes. Basically both are the same with one that has brighter highlights on the grey and camo fatigues while the other has more subtle highlights with the FSE emblem on the shoulder pad and plain red fatigues. Which one of these two looks better scheme wise? @naive umbra

[vernal mesa]

That website is like ancient pre-google style. There's a walking cat gif above a search bar that explains what a searchbar does!

But the wheels look detailed! And half of the wheel just blurs out for my colorblind eyes!

But much like pre-google and finding an amazing detailed niche website, that site has a TON of information. Formatting can make your eyes bleed but wow, it's like one artists personal wikipedia of paint!

[silver thorn]

the old internet was better

😩

[vernal mesa]

True, not a single ad on the site

[plush swift]

sounds like you need new eyes

[hollow goblet]

As the resident drybrusher

1. yes absolutely

2. Either is fine, texture pallete will remove less paint which makes it better for lower/middle layers and getting more paint down, paper towel is usually best for at least your last layer so it naturally forms a kinda volumetric highlight by covering less

3. Yeah funnily enough you do not actually want a dry brush while you're doing it lmao

4: Makeup brush is best for smooth, even drybrushing that wants to be a kind of "half coat" that shows the colour underneath (which I'm assuming you've been mostly using this for Ork skin which tracks as I find makeup brushes are much better for round/smooth sculpts like Ork arms.)

A brush you don't respect/a cut up piece of sponge is really good for anything you want to have a textured or uneven drybrush finish for (Painting rust, layering the skin on big colourful minis, highlighting natural stone or anything where you want visible paint in the highlights without covering too much underneath) and ear cleaning cotton buds are good for drybrushing things that require a bit more precision/if you like working reductively with paint, they're good for dabbing some paint on and then using the other side to remove a little, ends up giving you an effect that's sorta like a "dry" wash

5. Depends on what you're going for, circular drybrushing will get you more coverage and get the paint to settle in more spots that it wouldn't normally, especially when you mix it with the makeup brush but doing it in one direction usually works better for naturally highlighting the mini and implying source lighting/just is a bit more natural to the sculpt. I think the big obvious example is Tyranid gaunts/gants: you almost always wanna drybrush their carapace from head to tail, like the same direction you'd pet them if they were a cat

[hollow goblet]

A unit of loyalist World Eater Paladins who are able to redirect damage onto themselves in an aura would be such a solid bodyguard unit, I really wish they'd do something with that concept bc it's sick af and it's always seemed kinda bizarre to me how they literally have Angrons geneseed and never made a successful version of that

[barren verge]

ULGO MAKE MISTAKE!!! ALL SENT WERE RECIEVED HAVE TOO MANY OGRYNS

[plush swift]

Never enough ogryns

[barren verge]

Not enuff paint

Will get more

[vale pollen]

Termie chappie done

[mint dove]

Tried touching up my kommando boss

[rare hornet]

Yeah I’ve found that you basically have to homebrew it, I’m running my world eater chapter as a blood angel successor as I’m saying the bezerkers rage is a gene seed defect like the black rage

[hollow goblet]

Painting my Ahriman disc, going for an enchanted stone statue kinda vibe, gonna paint the horns/spikes with a similar colour blend and then do a super heavy white drybrush

I have the dirty down moss FX paint and I'm super tempted to use it on the edges/underside but I'm not sure if that's going to ruin it. Yay or nay?

[visual turret]

That’s not a miniature

Thank you moderator

[lavish crescent]

???

[visual turret]

a bot posted a link to a booby server in this chat

[rare hornet]

Heresy

[edgy jackal]

@plush swift how long should you wait with varnishing a model if you applied an oil pin/recess wash to it?

[plush swift]

6 to 8 months, this has to do with the gas releases of the oil

sometimes you can get away with in after a month or two in some cases

but general practice is 6-8

[sterile grail]

I have always thought Tau are going to be easy to paint. Boy was I wrong. The scheme didnt turn out how i wanted it, but oh well...

[edgy jackal]

I want to oil pinwash my legion imperialis solar aux tanks, and have some pigment weathering for dust effects on the lower part of the tanks. My idea was to airbrush the base layers, do metallics, any chipping, tracks (with a pigment wash), and decals, then varnish, oil pinwash, wait for oil to cure, dust effects, then varnish again. Does this sound like a decent plan? Could I do the oil pinwash last, after the dust effects, or would it ruin the look?

[brisk vapor]

you probably don't need to varnish in between the oils and pigments

and varnish will dull the pigments a lot

most people just leave it as the last step and leave it as is

[short pawn]

You're nuts

(Its so gorgeous)

[brisk vapor]

cheers

[edgy jackal]

I wanted to varnish to seal in the pigments so they won't rub off. Won't that be an issue?

[tawdry quartz]

I only have a mountain of unpainted models & am starting assembling/painting an Aeldari army for a friend...so of course when I feel an impulse...I Impulse.

[brisk vapor]

Some will rub off but anything in crevasses where you can't touch it ought to be fine, and even if the largest chunks fall off it will still look chalky on the area it was on. I've added pigments to most of my Ultramarines and they're all fine still-

varnishing will make it look like nothing at all was placed there

I've also used pigment binder which works a bit better but still dulls it out a lot

[hollow wind]

Anyone have any tips on how to paint space marines ?

(no idea how to do it)

[brisk vapor]

Honestly the best starting point is probably checking out the Warhammer youtube channel and seeing if those tutorials are any help

[hollow wind]

hmmm, gotcha

[plush swift]

its best to use a pigment setter like diluted pva glue

[plush swift]

game peice or shelf?

[plush swift]

depends on what you're after, personally i find that 99% mini painter guides are useless and grossly over complicate simple things like blending

[hollow wind]

true, generally i like to visualize the colors I want and then eyeball it, however I don't know how to do like anything

all i've painted was a death guard squad, and they where painted in one go and don't look very good

dunno how or what a double coat is etc...

[plush swift]

There are a few programs that can help with that

https://bolterandchainsword.com/bcp/smp.php this website is awful but its free

[hollow wind]

gotcha

thankee

[edgy jackal]

Game piece

For the tracks I was planning to use airbrush thinner (since I already have the stuff and supposedly it's not great for what it's meant for) mixed with pigment as a dispersion, maybe the same could work for the lower hulls?

[edgy jackal]

Thanks for your insight

[plush swift]

varnish it

[autumn galleon]

question fellas

i can field a field ordinance battery for my guard without the guardsmen models on it right? like just the gun emplacement its self?

cause i do not have tweezers and cannot be assed to build those guardsmen models with glue covered hands rn

[plush swift]

official rules require the models to be fully built so ask your TO

[autumn galleon]

[signal plover]

as long as it's on the correct base size and your opponent is aware (if it's a casual game nobody is going to give a shit) you should be fine

[autumn galleon]

awesome

dont see myself running tournaments anytime soon but thanks corpsey/siggy for the info

cause MAN i do not like the gunner model for that battery

[plush swift]

tournament painting rules are stupid

[autumn galleon]

i have one battery fully manned but the 2nd is just the gun

no crew

[plush swift]

they should be way more intense

[autumn galleon]

man i cant wait to finally play combat patrol tho

never played the tabletop before

pretty hype

[visual turret]

Knight work while I umm and ah about the actual positioning of the knight

[plush swift]

I drilled out my screen and put an led in there

[visual turret]

well LAH DEE DAH

:3

[plush swift]

I didnt want to paint it

[visual turret]

then seal it in

glue the cap on

[plush swift]

no

[visual turret]

should I put a little gloss coat on the screen

[weak barn]

starting up a little kill team! finally getting into it, after playing Heresy for the better part of 3 years

[vernal mesa]

Yesterday was an election so I had the whole day off to paint. Now to base her!

[vernal mesa]

I’m so happy they un-squatted the squats. Can’t wait to see further models for them.

[weak barn]

i’m in love with em, favourite models right now

[pastel grotto]

Choose your fighter

[mint dove]

So I have a big old bottle of vallejo mecha white airbrush primer I bought a few years back and now that I have an airbrush I can finally use it, what's the thinning ratio for mecha white primer? Do I have to thin it at all?

[plush swift]

shouldnt need to be thinned in theory but depends on how thick it is

[vernal mesa]

I got the vallejo game paint white primer and it was the most miserable paint I've used. No idea about their mech line but maybe test it on a single model instead of priming a couple at the same time.

[hollow goblet]

They tend to not need to be thinned but play it by ear, you're going for the consistency of milk generally

Also I can't tell if I've ruined the disc with the moss effect or if I've just spent too long staring at it critically

Ended up going for a sorta Slaan priest throne but in sandstone but I just really can't tell if it looks bad or if I need to go in with fresh eyes later

[mint dove]

@plush swift I'll try thinning it. That thinner+slowdry stuff you gave me is good for airbrush yes?

[plush swift]

tbh the pigmentation in it is so low, thinning it will cause problems

i hate vallejo products for a reason

ive used their white primers before, they are already super watery

[silver thorn]

love the pose but it might be a nightmare to put her in cover

technically she can be shot at if the banner sticks out xD

[silver thorn]

it looks really nice but put the model on it to check

maybe the base will be too visually interesting and distract from the model

if its a tzeentch demon that's blue/ purple

then the only green in the composition is on the base

it will be the first thing the eye is drawn too

[plush swift]

Making a pigment

@silver thorn what do you think of the color

[silver thorn]

do you get to keep it in the jar indefinitely?

its nice

[plush swift]

No, its just there for convience

[mint dove]

Tried using rustoleum white primer and it was the worst primer I've ever used

It's still wet 2 hours later and it pooled in all the recesses

[plush swift]

all spray can white primers are bad

they also all contain kaolin

[plush swift]

its an extinct pigment, its also very opaque. Only minorly toxic as in its known to burn the skin a little with you touch it

[silver thorn]

i want some mummy brown

mmmmm

[plush swift]

i have some

[silver thorn]

nu uhh

isn't that illegal or something

xD

[plush swift]

no

its illegal to make, not to own

[vernal mesa]

Good thing she’s a display piece and cost more than a whole box of sisters.

Also… I had to completely amputate the arm on the banner and the model so there’s several points of rebuild there… when I finally glued it I couldn’t get it to stay as vertical as I originally planned

[mint dove]

My father in law gave me this with the airbrush stuff. Can I use it as airbrush thinner?

[plush swift]

no

[mint dove]

And these

[plush swift]

its a very different type of acrylic

[plush swift]

you can use those but be careful with vallejo

test it first, they use a very old school binder that doesnt work with most modern solutions

its just pure low percentage polyurethane

[mint dove]

Okay, I think I'll just play it safe and order some vallejo airbrush thinner

[plush swift]

seriously dont thin the primer

i'll show you what happens when you do

its worse than rustoleum

[mint dove]

Okay, just straight primer?Not even flow improver?

[plush swift]

The flow improver will make it pool into all the crevices

the stuff as a whole doesnt like to adhere

so you have to work around that

[brisk vapor]

Which primer are you using? Is it acrylic-polyurethane? Because those will absolutely need thinning unless you want to clog your airbrush

[plush swift]

its vallejo white

which if you thin that it will just fuck right up

[brisk vapor]

haven't used their white primer but the black and grey ones will need thinning

[plush swift]

The white if you thin it you'll need 3-5 coats to get a smooth coat

and it will pool in everything

its so bad

[brisk vapor]

I still think it's better than clogging the aribrush

[plush swift]

it will ruin the model if you thin it

like flat out

its really that bad

it just pools

[brisk vapor]

to my experience even overly thinned primer can be used if you just manage the output carefully and don't linger on the same area too long

[plush swift]

not this stuff

ive used all the versions, mecha, normal and premium

this pools when thinned and doesnt adhere when thinned

[brisk vapor]

is it that different from the black one?

[plush swift]

yes

The black works ok

the grey works ok also

the white is just... its so bad

[brisk vapor]

I see

[plush swift]

also ive never had a clog with vallejo primer unthinned through an airbrush, but I also strain my paint prior

[brisk vapor]

what needle size

[plush swift]

.35

sometimes a .2 or a .5 if im lazy

[brisk vapor]

hm, I've got the same one and it regularly clogs unless thinned

[plush swift]

are you straining it?

[brisk vapor]

well what do you think

no

[plush swift]

try straining it, it helps a lot

primers like vallejo surface primer like to dry in the bottle and it will have small flakes in there

[brisk vapor]

do you strain it straight to a container that you will use in that session or do you strain a large quantity and seal it for later use

[plush swift]

into the airbrush or cup before you pour it into the airbrush

This is Vallejo white primer thinned 3 paint to 1 water

@brisk vapor

WHen I say bad, I mean bad

[brisk vapor]

yeah that's not great

although I've no experience thinning primers with water

[plush swift]

they are chemically identical to acrylic paints for the most part

[brisk vapor]

would've thunk the latex-y finish meant otherwise

[plush swift]

nope, thats just pure polyurethane

a higher percentage in the paint

most paint will turn into a latexy finish, its just not as notiable

[brisk vapor]

well true enough, seen enough dried out pots

[plush swift]

if you add a solvent, it will become sandable

Do you want the BASF handbook? Its about house paint mostly but artist acrylics are very similar to house paints and in a lot of cases, just down right identical

artist acrylics evolved from house paints

the history behind acrylics is very long and very interesting

[brisk vapor]

Sure but I'm not much of a reader tbh

[plush swift]

dont worry, its only several hundred pages

but its good to have if you're curious why a paint isnt working

it can tell you how to fix weird things

[brisk vapor]

Cheers, I'll check it out later

[mint dove]

This is why I listen to your advice and I've never been steered wrong

[plush swift]

yeah, I use autoborne primer these dyas

[lavish crescent]

I just don't trust the Vallejo white primer xD, tried it start with no thinner and that shit didn't do anything

Black primer is fine, haven't tried grey yet

[plush swift]

the grey was ok at best for a hobby product, which probably will be raved about by a lot of people

[lavish crescent]

If I need a white base coat, prime black the use pale blue grey to get a start of my white

[plush swift]

if I need a white base coat I just use a good paint

[lavish crescent]

Fair

[plush swift]

personally I use golden high flow

[lavish crescent]

Okay, I use pale blue grey because it just covers well over black and kinda looks like white, if I need to do highlights I can use actually white mixed in

Perfect for slap chop or zenny

[plush swift]

fair, if Im doing a white base coat, its not to paint white in most cases

its so i can get bright colors

[lavish crescent]

I did BT for abit

Now I use it for my HH ultramarines

One shoulder white, makes them stand out more and looks less like a sea of blue

[plush swift]

smart

I also start with a green or brown base a lot of the time

because verdaccio

[mint dove]

The problem I'm having is it NEEDS to be white because I'm painting clone armor

[sterile grail]

🤔

[lavish crescent]

Airbrush, extremely thin coats will allow for you to prime black then work your way up to a solid white

[jaunty trail]

Still having 0 problems whith white scar rattle can... my apothecary turned out nice...

[sour nexus]

Just built these guys, looking forward to painting them

[brisk vapor]

hell yeah

[lavish crescent]

Noiccee

Also I see that makeup rack unit!

[sour nexus]

ty ty, yeah im due for a third one i have too much paint

[plush swift]

What's funny about that is anytime you talk to a canvas artist who does hundreds of hours of airbrushing a month, That's counter to what they say. They say never use black as a base because white is to transparent and will make it way harder to get a smooth coat.

It's just interesting the differences between the hobby community and the professional community, like there's a ton of differences between methods

[plush swift]

Be careful with that brush restorer, It will kill sable hairbrushes really quickly because it contains a lot of solvents that will chew through the glue in them.

[sour nexus]

thanks for the tip it works really well with paints staining and adhering to the Sable brushes

[plush swift]

if the paints are adhering to sable brushes, you need to clean them quicker with brush soap like the masters or dirty dog. They are growing in price because the weasel they use had to be mostly killed off because they spread covid since they share an almost identical immune system to humans, so the brushes are becoming increasingly rare and they are required for the medical industry and art sciences, so be very careful with the ones you have

acrylics kill the brushes fast enough

Also if you're in the US, they are illegal to import so the stocks for them are dwindling and a few companies illegally import them, mostly hobby companies, so once the government finds out, those companies wont exist anymore(artist opus, army painter, etc) its several hundred million in fines

[signal plover]

I'll fly to Russia with my club and take some sables home

[weak barn]

wip still!

[hollow goblet]

Yeah it's the disc for my Ahriman. Plan was to have him largely in white with some purple/red accents

Inspired by this but with more white

[visual turret]

Posing down for my knight

Now just a colour scheme…….

[midnight locust]

30K russ is neat

And an absolute pain to magnetize

[autumn galleon]

Hey quick question

are the alpha legion a playable faction in 40k

nvm i just found the models, for some reason i could NOT find them

new question being how the hell would i start collecting/building alpha legion if i decided to

[main mango]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

[hollow goblet]

Okay so there's this thing where GW hates chaos

Basically the way chaos works rn is

Thousand Sons have their own models and codex

Death Guard have their own models and codex

World Eaters have their own models and codex

Emperors Children will presumably get their own models and codex sometime in the near future

Everything else (including Emps children rn) is kinda just lumped into the Chaos Space marine codex as far as rules and don't really have proper support as far as models and special datasheets aside from a few token ones here and there, which is annoying if you like Alpha Legion, Nightlords, Iron Warriors or Word Bearers bc a lot of the troop options end up kinda looking like generic Black Legion painted a different colour

For collecting Alpha Legion: if you really want them to look right: they have a bit of support in the Horus Heresy minis and you should be able to use them as more suitable-looking AL sculpts if you wanted but a lot of HH stuff is resin which isn't as nice to build as normal GW plastic. Otherwise it's fine to just buy generic chaos space marine kits and paint them in AL scheme

[brisk vapor]

That's not really a chaos specific thing, all factions have subfractions which do not have proper representation, pretty much only Marines and Chaos Marines have access to subfraction specific codexes and models

[lavish crescent]

Not as bad as CM, they're getting shafted

[weak barn]

few of my past models i thought id send

[teal wolf]

We love some night lord shots

[weak barn]

my heresy army, won a few awards with em

[visual turret]

brother asked me what I want for my birthday

do I dare ask for

the warmaster titan

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/legions-imperialis-warmaster-heavy-battle-titan-2024

[rare hornet]

YES

[visual turret]

the imperialis titan ofc

that or a stormsurge

[brisk vapor]

Yes

[rare hornet]

There is no debate that thing is awesome

A reaver Titan comes up to the top of its legs

[visual turret]

it's nto the one personally I'd like

Because it's oops! All Plasma!

[rare hornet]

I mean those plasma are terrifying

I has quite comfortably taken on two warlords at once and come up with only minor damage

[visual turret]

did you see the posing I got on my last cerastus

also remember, I don't play so this is simply a showcase model

look at this monstrosity

[rare hornet]

The boi!

[rare hornet]

The posing is great, he’s about to slap a poor bastard

[visual turret]

I managed to get my desired pose from this

which I wanted for a while

also the raised leg is standing on a spare questoris arm I had

[rare hornet]

Oooh yeah you’ve done good there

[visual turret]

sooooooo happy w/ how it tuyrned out

I gave up on the above and TRIED this pose but ended up actually getting the one I wnated first

mu only problem now is colour scheme

I was gonna do a nice red and bronze

but I ALSO wanna do a colour scheme inspired by V.IV Rusty

[rare hornet]

You not keeping with the other knights you’ve painted?

[visual turret]

my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/viv-rusty-rusty-ac6-armored-core-gif-9848221610075126705

[rare hornet]

Well actually I suppose these are all display pieces so fair enough

[visual turret]

every knight so far is a different colour

My questoris is a dark green and bronze
My Lancer is orange and white w/ silver trim
My Acheron is purple and black w/ silver trim

[rare hornet]

Oh yes i can only remember the Acheron

[visual turret]

my beloved

[rare hornet]

So you going for greys and such?

[visual turret]

maybe

rusty is a nice navy blue

[rare hornet]

That’ll look good

[visual turret]

w/ dark metal undertones

but I DO also like the Crimson/bronze idea

[rare hornet]

Would a house Terryn blue be the kind you’re looking for?

[visual turret]

hmmmmmmmm maybe

I haven't really painted many blues actually

unless it's plasma

so yeah we'll got for Rusty's palette

[rare hornet]

Fair play

[crude solstice]

Rusty!

[hollow goblet]

Apprentek for a Necron kill team

[autumn galleon]

ahhhhhhh okay okay i see 🤔 wonder when we’d ever get alpha legion codex 🤣🤣

Thanks for the clarification man i was hella confused about it

[visual turret]

not sure what paint i use for the armour trim

kantor blue looks good for the plating

but

hmmm

[rare hornet]

What you looking for? A silver or grey?

[rare hornet]

Perhaps like a Corvus black trim and then dot the bolts with like eshin grey?

[plush swift]

prussian blue or anthraquinone

[visual turret]

the skeleton's had a leadbelcher prime and then a HEAVY drybrushing of iron warriors

to get the darker metal that rusty has

There also looks to be a bronze-y gold-y colour as a tertiary/highlight on Rusty

[plush swift]

bingo i was right

it was anthraquinone

[visual turret]

[plush swift]

RGB doesnt translate into pigments well

so im very proud of myself for that

[plush swift]

Like this color?

@silver thorn Version 2

[visual turret]

I do!

considering all I have are citadels, Kantor looks like it fits the best for Rusty's blue

[plush swift]

Its an extinct pigment im trying to revive

[silver thorn]

i like this one more than yesterdays

what a pretty color

[plush swift]

same, this one is much harder to make

[silver thorn]

something about it looks nostalgic or antiquated

i can't really describe why

[midnight locust]

Anyone have experience with Vallejo mud?

[plush swift]

this is called Cobalt tutti frutti, so i call it pv49

[plush swift]

yes

[plush swift]

the 90s loved this color

[midnight locust]

How difficult is it to apply?

[plush swift]

Incredibly, you need to use a tool and then put it on a base and then call it a day so it can dry for like an hour

the incredibly was sarcasm

its very easy

its not that bad of a product

[midnight locust]

Gotcha. Swapping to that for weathering vehicles like tanks

[plush swift]

its ok on tracks, its not great for everything else

its better for basing

its very thick and gel like which makes it a bit tricky for weathering purposes

you can do it, but you need to figure out a method that works for you, me personally I have a dead brush that I cut up and use that to apply things like that

[midnight locust]

Yeah it’ll be for tracks. I have other weather powders and stuff for other areas. And yeah I’ve got an old brush that should work great

[plush swift]

its an old W&N monarch brush

so its a little stiff

which helps provide extra texture

I cut off the tip

[midnight locust]

Bingo that’s pretty much what I’ve got

[plush swift]

perfect

[quaint halo]

Just need to do some clean up on the bases but here are my Shadow over Innsmouth inspired Genestealer Cult

[visual turret]

I think iron warriors trim

[silver thorn]

i love it!

[lavish crescent]

One word: Japan

[obsidian tapir]

Current progress on a loyalist leviathan siege dreadnought

Got quite a bit more to do for him yet

[teal wolf]

Ooh that's hot

[rare hornet]

Ayyy, another loyalist traitor legion, love to see it

I’m doing the same with world eaters

[obsidian tapir]

Nice

[mint dove]

"Oi one of them beakies lost their armor!.. its a bit snug"

[oblique socket]

“FOR DA EMPRAH!”