40k-minis-and-armies

[true inlet]

is the normal Battle Cannon the best option?

Demolisher is the AT variant am I right?

[signal crane]

it's the best all rounder as it gets rerolls built in

[signal crane]

Demolisher is the Anti-Everything variant lol

[true inlet]

I stand corrected XD

[signal crane]

just really short range

[true inlet]

okay so at least 3 leman russ accompanied with 60~80 guardsmen

now what?

[signal crane]

That's a solid core

[true inlet]

Baneblade?

is it viable?

[signal crane]

They rarely are

But they're cool af, 1/4 of an army in points though

[true inlet]

I know that they cost 540

[signal crane]

Baneblade is a "I have made an army and am committed to the Guard" purchase

[midnight locust]

Baneblade is 480 something now

[true inlet]

so basically purity seal XD

[signal crane]

Yup

Lord Solar never hurts to have

especially with tanks

He's very effective atm

[midnight locust]

If you run tanks lord solar is more or less auto include

[signal crane]

yup

Best way to get orders to them

Lord Solar+Infantry+Platoon Command

Gives him 24" order range and and a solid enough bodyguard

don't be afraid to have some indirect fire but don't overload it

it's helpful, especially for gunlines like us, but too much is unfun to fight against

[true inlet]

I prefer a fun army to use/Fight against

[true inlet]

yeah

[signal crane]

Than combined arms guard would probably be best

[true inlet]

I'm getting him too

[signal crane]

Just focus on what's cool to you

[true inlet]

heard he can command ogryns

[signal crane]

he can command anyone in the army

only unit that can do that

[true inlet]

yeah

Commissar only commands infantries

tank commanders, mechanical units

[signal crane]

but yeah I'd say 60 guardsmen, and some armor is a good core if you're starting out

don't focus too much on what's good and take what you like

[true inlet]

M'kay

[signal crane]

I still run Scion only lists and they kinda suck but I love em

[true inlet]

600 guardsmen here I come

[signal crane]

Oh boy

gl painting em

OH

one last thing

You new to painting 40k?

[true inlet]

yup

I'm planning a year ahead

[signal crane]

Do not stress over your guardsmen

They are cannon fodder that will not survive 99% of the time

and when on the table will be 3 feet away from you

if you slipped a bit while painting one hold them at an arms length or so away

and if you can't tell from that distance

it doesn't matter and is not worth stressing over

[silver thorn]

damn this thing kind of kicked my ass lol

[signal crane]

Sisters are so greebly

but look so good

[true inlet]

is that Chimera?

[signal crane]

that's a rhino

[true inlet]

ah

confusing

[signal crane]

You'll get used to it

[silver thorn]

sororitas rhino

[true inlet]

I get it

[signal crane]

Just go slow, maybe 1-2 units at a time so you don't overwhelm yourself and you're good to go

[silver thorn]

im excited to paint it

I'll go prime right now

[true inlet]

I think I'll only paint 2 guardsmen squad in parade ready quality

for kill team

[signal crane]

good call

[true inlet]

rest, mass production

my ultimate goal is to get an entire chapter of space marines, a whole guardsmen regiment and a xeno army

and build a diorama out of them

[signal crane]

lofty goal

best of luck on it

I am going to get to work on my Mortarion subassembly

This is gonna be fun....

[true inlet]

ah Death Guard player

[short pawn]

After tomorrow my main list will have 3 rogal dorns 2 leman russ

[signal crane]

yuuuuuup

[short pawn]

Will be epic

[true inlet]

I like chaos daemons but nurgle's guts are a teeny bit too disturbing for me

[signal crane]

They grow on ya

and it's stress free painting

cause if it looks nasty, it fits the aesthetic

[short pawn]

I learned this the hard way

[true inlet]

guardsmen are not marines

[short pawn]

I was stressing out trying to get the perfect color pallete

[true inlet]

I kinda guessed it before hand

[short pawn]

Now i own streaking grime

[true inlet]

so, I'm playing Krieg

so that means maybe 5~6 colours will be enough

1 for coat, 1 for gas mask and machinery on their chest, 1 for helm and lucius gun, 1 for the wooden parts, 1 for plasma and stuff

[short pawn]

Don't forget shades as well

[true inlet]

shades?

uhhhhhh

I have MUCH to learn

[short pawn]

Ah dont worry about it. Take it slow

[true inlet]

few things I know is to thin your paint and get your base colouring clean

[short pawn]

Shades are basically very transparent paints that are used to soak into recesses and give depth

I think

[true inlet]

ah

[short pawn]

I dont wanna give you any wrong info tho so dont listen to me about this

[true inlet]

if thats the case, I'll need to apply them at coats

few last questions

1. Would you paint beforehand or after building it
2. If you have already built the model but if some part of your brush cannot reach certain parts of your model, what do you do

and my mascot model for my army will be Larry, who will be a normal gasmask plasma gun fodder

[signal crane]

after assembly

[short pawn]

Considering it's a guardsmen, dont bother about stuff like that

Especially if you prime black

[silver thorn]

PRIMED AND READY

now i gotta figure out how im gonna paint it

my sisters color scheme is polished steel, red, black, white, gold

idk how im gonna work steel into a rhino color scheme

[lavish crescent]

Steel into a vehicle???

Tracks

Pipes

Covers

Main colour is gonna be the main issue

[fickle inlet]

Just do all the decals steel

[formal lichen]

Suppose this represents the upcoming admech release... 245pt in a cp oh dear

[fickle inlet]

Wait you have gold nvm

[devout lake]

Is the blood on the mask too much?

[fickle inlet]

Nah I fuck with it

[silver thorn]

thats gotta be white and gold

[fickle inlet]

Yeah I didn't see you had gold in there

[silver thorn]

I think Ill fill the stripe part with the no color steel and the rest will be black

and then the details will be gold and white

ill work red into the ecchlessiary logos

[fickle inlet]

In terms of my color coverage "polished steel" might aswell be silver so I'm not the best person to give advice

[hearty bear]

Dip the entire model in molten metal

[heavy basin]

I'm about to get into the tabletop game starting tomorrow, planning on buying a leviathan box at a local store with a black friday discount. The store owner has convinced me to start out making a dark angels army, which apparently the space marines in that box can also be painted to be. I'm a tad nervous as it's still a big monetary investment, I know next to nothing of the rules, and have no experience painting. But I've been eyeing getting into 40k tabletop for awhile now so I'm making myself take the plunge. Anyone have any advice for a noob, particularly one planning to play dark angels?

[naive umbra]

My advice is make 100% sure that's the faction you want to play before making a big investment, don't let the store owner or anyone else pressure you into choosing your faction.

[signal crane]

^^^

Look up lore and aesthetic of factions then decide

You may find a weird one you love

Like I found Death Guard

you may end up liking xenos over any human faction

[true inlet]

I may be a newbie just like you are when it comes to tabletop

but I know that you should spam units with plasma guns when it comes to DA

also, you need to buy the Core Rules 10th ed, Space Marines codex for now

Dark Angels codex is coming later next year

[naive umbra]

If they end up going the Leviathan box they'll have the core rules already

[hollow goblet]

Don't let a game store manager talk you into your army, they can only offer suggestions and they have an incentive to steer you towards items that are more profitable for the store (Hence why he's trying to sell you on this bootleg dark angels leviathan box thing when you could just...buy a box of dark angels, store managers get big bonuses from GW for moving levi boxes)

Your army should be something you are adamant you actually like and identify with, good chance this will be 2-5 armies anyway

[tame ermine]

Off topic... sorry I'm new and this might seem random

but... I really hope they bring out Mourningstar figs for the tabletop

[hollow goblet]

I like wizards and music so my armies are ksons and EC (when they get literally anything), your justifcation for liking them can be basically anything but you wanna be sure you like them

Also what does this manager suggest you do with the 50% of the box that will be useless to you as a DA player?

[true inlet]

this is right

I personally took 2 years to decide what army I'll collect once I pull the trigger

[hollow goblet]

Yeah collecting takes ages

I bought my first box of rubrics in like december last year

[true inlet]

Not ALL managers are bad, and taking their advices are a good idea

[hollow goblet]

I've even finished painting some of them

[true inlet]

but you shouldn't take their advices fully

[short pawn]

The manager at my store told me not to buy the new combat patrols and how to build them cheaper. Also shit talked management. Badass guy

[hollow goblet]

Yeah they can give you insight but if a manager is really steering you heavily towards a particular product a lot of the time its bc they have a monetary incentive to do so

GW managers get forced to become scumbags to meet GW's ridiculous sales standards, have heard countless stories about GW managers being assholes and people who useed to work at GW saying the only good part about the job is free plastic bc you have to constantly pull scummy sales tactics to push the product

[short pawn]

IIRC GW made way too many levithan boxes as well. Probably want those fuckers gone

[true inlet]

Leviathan box itself is nice

[hollow goblet]

Yeah the psychophages at the park are free I have 4

[true inlet]

but the problem is that it is somewhat bad unless you are a marine/tyrannid player

in which case you can utilise 100% of the kit

[hollow goblet]

I'm gonna enjoy cheap nids but yeah also true

[true inlet]

you can get another friend that'd love to play another faction that you are not going to play

[hollow goblet]

Wait does the marine half have rhinos?

That would be so funny

[true inlet]

and then purchase it together but getting friend into warhammer is very hard

[short pawn]

No

[true inlet]

no

only a dreadnought

[short pawn]

Just the new dreadnought

[hollow goblet]

They learned at least lmao

Wait like the, recently-discontinued one or the replacement?

[short pawn]

I have no idea

The ballistus

[hollow goblet]

As a chaos player: there needs to be 6 helbrute variants now if y'all expect us to just outright not have dreads in chaos

[true inlet]

iirc, it has terminator captain, terminator librarian, 5 terminator, 10 infernus squad, a sternguard vet squad, lieutenant with combi weapon

and then the ballistus dreadnought was it?

[short pawn]

Ye0

Yep

[true inlet]

I don't know much about nids so someone else can explain it XD

[short pawn]

It has bugs

[hollow goblet]

That's pretty solid, that covers a decent bit of their combat patrol/kill team stuff too right?

[true inlet]

I can't tell termagents from hom... hom... little bug number 2

[short pawn]

Levithan box is the entire combat patrol for both factions

[true inlet]

leviathan is better than combat patrol tbh

[hollow goblet]

Nid half is good purely bc psychophage is one of my favourite minis rn and you can buy them for like $10USD rn

[hollow goblet]

Damn that's actually well designed box wise at least

[true inlet]

SM combat patrol gives you 5 termi, termi capatin, librarian termi, and 5 infernus

and then it tell you it has 13 models

wheres the one last model?

[short pawn]

The space marine combat patrol is pretty much a scam. You can just buy the 120 dollar introductory set which comes with 80% of both faction combat patrols

[true inlet]

A freakin teleport homer

[short pawn]

Then just buy a terminator libarian for 40 and you're good

[true inlet]

if you are a black templar player

[hollow goblet]

Termis have guns on their hands and are shooty horde

hormies keep it old school and are stabby horde basically

[short pawn]

160 dollars and you get the space marine combat patrol plus most of the tyrankds

[true inlet]

just... just...

yeah

[naive umbra]

The nid half is 20 Termagants with fleshborers, none of the special weapons upgrades from the standalone box. Neurotyrant with neyrocytes, 5 Barbgaunts, 10 neurogaunts with node beast, screamer killer, 3 von ryans leapers, and the winged tyranid prime

[true inlet]

remember, no psyker

[true inlet]

thank you

thats a lot of bugs

might as well get my flamer

because there is NO WAY I'm going to shoot all of them individually with my lasgun

[short pawn]

All the talk about prices rn and it reminds me that I've been hearing a myth perpetuated saying warhammer army points are roughly a dollar per.

Always wondered how bad those people were at math.

[true inlet]

uhhhh

yeah

[hollow goblet]

There's a poorhammer video very explicitly disproving that lmao

Custodes is arguably the only affordable army

Oh wait resin world

[true inlet]

isn't it around 2 point per dollar for the bigger model

[short pawn]

I got a 3K point guard army for almost 600-700 bucks

[true inlet]

and like 0.4 for small ones

[true inlet]

damn

[naive umbra]

Plus 2 ripper swarms, but those are like T'au drones, if you play nids you just end up gathering a bunch on the side haha

[hollow goblet]

Yeah and it gets wayyy worse with shit like admech and GSC

[true inlet]

Australian Dollar intensifies

[naive umbra]

Me, an Aussie 40k collector...

[true inlet]

2 USD = 3 AUD

[hollow goblet]

A fellow gets-fucked-by-shipping hobbier

[true inlet]

something like that

[short pawn]

The only reason why warhammer got me price wise is because i got into a bunch of killteams

If I hadn't I'd be fine

[true inlet]

as I mentioned

[short pawn]

Army wise didn't seem too bad. Especially considering the price of PC gaming nowadays.

[hollow goblet]

yeah I tend to just double AUD its like 1.8 to 1 or something along those lines

[true inlet]

my goals for collecting warhammer are these

1. Create an entire chapter
2. Create an entire Krieg regiment
3. Get a legitimate Xeno army
4. Create diorama with these

and I don't know

[naive umbra]

Take me back to 2014 parity. The golden age of online shopping

[true inlet]

probably my money would melt

[hollow goblet]

I broke up with gf and moved to a different state and was like "Fuck, how do I make friends??" and one thing led to another

[true inlet]

I swear

Gamesworkshop has Melta 999999 on their weapon profile

and torrent.

[short pawn]

I absolutely love the physicality involved in miniature gaming. Its so much different than online. Obviously.

Environment at a local game store is unmatched

[true inlet]

true

PC master race?

pfffffff

DICE MASTER RACE

[hollow goblet]

I wanna get every mini that has a musical instrument and make a giant maraviglia inspired diorama

Like the Goff Rockers will be there but Slaanesh probably approves, maybe

[short pawn]

I'm picking up my cadian battleforce set tomorrow and im excited to visit mt local game store again. Even if they're taking my last dollars

[hollow goblet]

Yeah it's honestly nice it reminds me of playhing baseball when I was younger but its actually fun

[true inlet]

true peace

in the bright light of the future where there is only music

[short pawn]

Really sells the regret I feel for being so involved into online gaming

[true inlet]

heres one thing we can all agree on

[naive umbra]

I wanted to get into tabletop for ages but had no friends into it, until a mate asked me if I'd get into it if he did. I tried not to show myself too excited but inside I was screaming, then immediately bought like 1000 points of T'au in one go lmao

[true inlet]

wasting money on these crazy expensive resin models from former forgeworld is much, MUCH MUCHO better than spending them on fortnite battle passes

[short pawn]

Same here, my buddy and I spend days painting/building together after we realized that we both liked the game

Started our armies together, world eaters and astra militarum

[true inlet]

wait

you guys have friends?

[naive umbra]

First day we spent together building was so fun. Took me like 2 hours to understand everything to decide what I wanted to put on my first fire warrior team

[short pawn]

1 and a half

[hollow goblet]

Yoo even like a terrain thats a room from the mourningstar that you could use as a display board would be neat

[short pawn]

We built everything on our first day completely incorrect because we didn't know wargear was a thing you needed

[true inlet]

okay

I know these plastics don't cost a lot to make

and I have an idea

stay awhile and listen

[short pawn]

Me and my 4 special weapon guard squad and dont even ask me about his world eater berserker squad. EVERYTHING was wrong

[naive umbra]

I put my first guy's backpack on upside down because I thought the loop looked like a handle at the top of the pack haha

[true inlet]

if GW wants to get a LOT more money

[hollow goblet]

Yeah its tricky to get into bc you always wanna induct someone else into the cult so you're not the brand new guy getting tabled every time

[true inlet]

and by a lot I mean A LOT

we can get them to reduce price of most models and products by 20%

[short pawn]

I'm not gonna lie, I did that with my Krieg kit. Like. Recently. It's on a painted model that I'm proud of and it's so fucking embarrassing

[true inlet]

and create premium big models just like how lego does

like, imagine

[naive umbra]

I managed to snip it off carefully and reglue it right way up so you can't even tell

[true inlet]

if they give us the entire Phalanx shop miniature for crazy expensive price

[tame ermine]

Decrease prices, increase prints, increase profits 🙄

[true inlet]

most of us won't get it but I believe that hardcore Imperial Fist players will definitely get it

[hollow goblet]

GW have to really sit themselves down and acknowledge they no longer have a monopoly on this shit

A guy brought his 3d printed combat patrol to the tournament, it didn't even occur to a single person there that they might be printed, this is no longer something only they can provide at this level of quality

[true inlet]

aaaaaand also this

[short pawn]

Brain damaged buffon I was

[hollow goblet]

They can also stop releasing new shit for an exploitative price tag and then declaring that the army "didn't do well enough to keep being supported" when you literally didn't offer it for a reasonable price once ever

[true inlet]

Was it Reagon

[naive umbra]

They're not too worried about printing still because it's a fairly involved hobby in itself with a pretty big initial buy-in cost

[true inlet]

I don't remember but

when it comes to economics

sometimes, decreasing each product's price can be much better on total profit gain

[short pawn]

Also stop releasing space marines holy shit dude can we get some Elsyian Drop Troops in this bitch???

[true inlet]

supply and demand, basic stories

[tame ermine]

More people buying and buying more often is a huge profit

[true inlet]

heres an idea

stay awhile and listen 2

[hollow goblet]

The reason no one bought the Ynnari minis was because you made them too expensive and it was pretty clear you had no intention to support the army afterwards GW, not because "no one likes them"

People actually fucking love Aeldar, you just suck at writing for them and suck worse at supporting their range

[true inlet]

as we all know

[short pawn]

Yeah it's important to note that Games Workshop profits off whales and it works perfect for them.

[hollow goblet]

As a ksons player I'm still waiting on the other half of my army

[naive umbra]

Only release space marines and heavily market marines over everything else > marines are most popular faction > only release marines and heavily market because they're most popular

[true inlet]

GW are purging the firstborn and releasing primaris

[hollow goblet]

But looking over at WE: we ain't getting shit

[true inlet]

and most primaris same the same kind of armour

so my idea is that we can just remove all these intercessor kit, assault intercessor kit and all these things

and just release it under the armour's name

like, Mk X Gravis kit, MK X Tacticus kit, Indomitus Terminator kit

[short pawn]

I'm really happy that space marines are finally true scale but primaris armor is so lame looking

[true inlet]

then throw all the pieces of the units that use that armour

[short pawn]

If we could get firstborn true scale? God DAMN

[hollow goblet]

You'd be surprised how often you can sorta just saw a bit off with a hobby knife and glue it back fine after

[true inlet]

or just do it the forgeworld way

like, you want to get yourself a squad of aggressor?

then get the Gravis Kit, and then the wrist mounted weapon kit or something

[hollow goblet]

Yeah that would honeslty be such a cleaner way to do it, I'd actually have some grasp on how UM function in that case

[short pawn]

It doesn't help that space marines are the most boring thing to paint ever. Like objectively speaking they're gorgeous models with good design choices, but i dont like flat armor panels the character

[true inlet]

want some desolation squad?

Get the Mk X Tacticus set, and then get the heavy weapon package

just like they did with primaris upgrade kit

terminators?

[hollow goblet]

Instead of having to find the datasheet for fucking Salacious Crumb the fifth lieutenant of the Karedar Tax Evaders

[naive umbra]

Have you considered joining the greater good instead? No flat panels here! /s

[true inlet]

dude wheres our weapons

its over there, Terminator weapon kit

and then you open it and it is filled with thunder hammer lightning claw assault cannon and stuff

[hollow goblet]

I agree but I'm starting to see big open panels as opportunities for freehand

[short pawn]

I do actually want to paint Tau oddly enough

If only Tau had more than 7 units

[true inlet]

this opens so much proxy potentials and easier access

and you know, they can do a little trick too

[hollow goblet]

Something I've learned with ksons, glowing tattoos/runes don't necessarily need to be neatly painted on

[true inlet]

like, I don't know how much the current terminator squad is priced

but lets say its around 80 dollars

drop the price to something like... 59 or 69 dollars

[short pawn]

It's around 50 USD

[true inlet]

okay, 39 dollars lets say

or 40

then sell the terminator weapon kit with around 15~20 dollars

YOU STILL GET THE SAME MONEY

or hell, even more

and then you know what people will think?

Oh I have left over wargears.

then if they liked it, they will go buy more

THIS is what they call a legitmate PROFIT

[short pawn]

This seems kinda wasteful to me

Extra plastic/sprue/cardboard for the same thing

[naive umbra]

I'd kill for a T'au weapon sprue that has all the crisis suit guns plus cyclic ion blasters and airbursting frag projectors. If they released a box like that they'd literally sell thousands of them

[short pawn]

GW should minimize the amount of extra sprues they need to make

[true inlet]

I believe the old Horus Heresy models had something like that

and the current frames already have a lot of left over pieces anyways

[naive umbra]

Guess where the only source for legit CIB and AFP guns are? The Commander box, and you only get 1 of each

[true inlet]

I don't know much but I believe same can be applied to other factions

Space marines? Of course

Imperial Guards?

at least, the weapons are compatible

[short pawn]

They can always just add those guns to other boxes instead of making an entirely new kit to be fair

[true inlet]

whew

time to calm down

my warp peril was reaching 100%

but yeah

[naive umbra]

Not likely to happen tbh, they are leaning more in favour of taking the weapons off datasheets that don't have them in box, rather than redesigning sprues to include them

[true inlet]

feels bad needing to buy an assault intercessor kit just to give thunder hammer to my intercessor sergeant

[true inlet]

one can dream

I love this franchise and game

so I'm just coming up with methods it can be better

I am quite zealous when it comes to things I like

[short pawn]

They've done it before for Astra Militarum units, but it's always just a hopeful kinda thing.

[true inlet]

I might just disappear for a week and come up with an entire google spreadsheet

on how GW can do this

Sunspear ways

[short pawn]

A new kit for every single type of space marine would definitely cost GW more in mold injections and just cause unneeded waste.

[true inlet]

they should have done it at the primaris update

well, too late

[naive umbra]

I hope there's a breakthrough in moulding tech where it doesn't need like $200k to precision machine aluminum with a CNC machine. That the main reason GW rarely changes up sprues, coz it costs them a tonne to design and cut a new mould for production

[short pawn]

It'd be nice. Lots of focus on 3D printing for now to where traditional, (arguably more efficent at this level of production) methods aren't looked at closer.

We need a mf mold line cure

[true inlet]

okay

time to turn my google spreadsheet on

and GW website

Now I'm motivated

[naive umbra]

I have noticed from working on various kits of different ages that the newer ones are much better for lines

Old Tyranid warriors for instance, every arm and leg has a big ass line the whole way around. The newer Leviathan ones, not nearly as bad

[short pawn]

Newer astra militarum models have the worst mold lines ever

As well as very unfortunate sprue teeth placement

[true inlet]

yes

the coats XD

oh also a lighter question

I heard everyone breaks their first purity seal

but... I never broke one

[naive umbra]

The worst one I've had so far was a sprue connection they decided to put on the grenade of a kill team pathfinder that's throwing the nade off the barest tip of his finger. Of course once you cut it off and try to tidy it, the nade breaks off this tiny finger bit

[true inlet]

I've stuck like 12? purity seal until now

am I strange

[naive umbra]

And a pain in the ass to glue back on the finger

[short pawn]

I fucking despise GW's tiny breakable bits

[true inlet]

TRUE XD

[short pawn]

Antennas snap off so frequently for me

I'm on the verge of literally magnetizing every single antenna or small thin object

[true inlet]

bayonets snap off

while I have NEVER broken a piece yet though

well, the only ones I built were the Kill Team starter set and intercessor squad though

[short pawn]

God don't even get me started on those models that you have to glue their arm and gun on separately and they're holding their shit loose, to the side, whatever

They fall off 9 times out of 10 with citadel plastic glue

[true inlet]

citadel plastic glue XD

I use super glue

these things melt the plastic a bit but hey, it works

[naive umbra]

The most impressed I've ever been with myself for a fix was this tiny tiny antenna bit I broke off a battlesuit wargear. Somehow managed to position and glue it back even though it's so tiny the static of my finger wanted to carry it away when trying to let go haha

[true inlet]

what the hell XD

its so small

[naive umbra]

Jokes on me, 10th edition all these suit wargear got deleted and rolled into "battlesuit support system"

After I spent ages magnetising every single one

[true inlet]

awwww

feels bad xeno

I personally liked the additional cost on war gear stuff that was on 9th edition

[naive umbra]

I'm still glad I did it, coz all the bits look cool and I like changing them up

Just wish they did different things too

[hollow goblet]

@plush swift

Yo Corpse

You know what time window I'm looking at for soaking a mini in 99.8% isopropryl to strip it?

I just need a rough safe timeframe to work with or I'm be pulling it out and making sure its not melted every 10s

[hollow goblet]

The axe heads on tzaangors are a nightmare they snag on absolutely fucking everything and this is an army where half the minis have staffs you have to already be a lil careful around

[true inlet]

When you want to make a lot of money while being famous

[hollow goblet]

Like every axe has 4 points where it can and will snag on anything nearby

[true inlet]

what you need is microtransaction

[plush swift]

what material?

normal GW plastic?

[hollow goblet]

Yeah I'm getting really sick of monopose kits that barely have spare bits as a kitbasher, it was one of the only things that made me feel like I was squeezing some extra value from the box

[hollow goblet]

Yeah regular GW

Just one exalted disc sorcerer

[plush swift]

you can throw it in there for 24 hours and be fine

[hollow goblet]

Primed in gold if that matters

Oh okay sick

[plush swift]

in most cases at least

[short pawn]

Don't get me wrong I'm a plastic glue sniffer user abuser and eater but only for vehicles or push(ish) fit models

[hollow goblet]

Yeah I saw extremely mixed reports some people said 4 hours some said two days

[short pawn]

If the model needs any sort of hold or gravity citadel plastic blows chunks

[hollow goblet]

Uhu superglue baybee its never let me down

That being said I plastic glue whenever possible, feels like the models hold better and are easier to glue when they melt a lil

[short pawn]

I've been using gorilla superglue shit but it has a habit of gumming up the hole

More so than other glues

[hollow goblet]

Yeah gorilla glue is king its just annoying to get where I'm at bc Bunnings is the only place that sells it; and the Bunnings in my area is in a super inconvenient spot

[short pawn]

I've been meaning to try magnet baron glues

[hollow goblet]

Can't say I've even heard of that one

New contender for the throne?

[short pawn]

They're a pretty cool company that, as the name suggests, sell magnets. Heard great things

They sell kits for magentizing specific projects

[hollow goblet]

ooo I shouuld definitely check those out before I get Magnus

I didn't magnetize my kairos and it was such a huge fucking mistake

All big models: magnetize their wings please I beg of you

You don't understand what you're doing to yourself

[short pawn]

Right now I've been using random magnets i got online and a shitty 5 dollar pin vice and holy shit...its a nightmare. None of the drillbits can drill anywhere close near the size of the smallest magnet and I am forced to go primate mode and dig into it with a knife

Can NEVER get a flush magnet

[short pawn]

I'm dreading the day I have to assemble my valkyrie man

Im so scared

[plush swift]

Alright, 100% noob at painting Minis, but I want to build a darktide Diorama so I need to learn. Do you put your minis togeather before you paint them or paint the peices before you put them togeather ? f

Also got some custom minis printed off for this project, can you use the same paints you use for like the GW minis as you do on Resin Printed ones ?

[proven grove]

As far as paint goes i've used non workshop paint on my little guys and it worked but these where only minor details like holsters and leather decals

For painting/assembling I try to soft assemble as far as possible

like Body + legs, arms + weapons, head and get them base coated

[sudden crypt]

Big Terminator current status (unpainted, the green crap is sculpting putty, the white crap is plasticard, the rest is plastic, resin, wire, or glue.)

[proven grove]

then combine them for instance I did this with my Dread

where I put bits together only once they where ready

But not putting everything together then painting does work

I kinda of prefer it that way

@plush swift

[teal wolf]

Sub assembly is a nice way to go. They look good!

[sudden crypt]

Yerh my termi is still in pieces while I work on him. I could glue him together but I think that would just make it harder for myself at this point lol

[plush swift]

Sub assembly is such a nice way to paint minis

Yea I bought 2 sets of minis so I could practice/screw up with the first set and do it right the second time 😄

[proven grove]

There is a solid amount of "Fuck it we ball" you can get away with painting

[plush swift]

yeah

[proven grove]

I stopped using black as a base coat and started using Iron Warriros, a silvery Grey

Sent it and it works GREAT

[plush swift]

I used to badly paint gunpla back in the day and I learned that with paintthinner and the ability to roll with it you can usually make mistakes look intentional lol

[proven grove]

Espcially with Mobile Suits and your DorkTide Project

Aint nothing pretty or clean 'bout Terium

[plush swift]

Yup, going to use Harbor Freight eva foam anti stress floor mats for the "floor" because it basically looks like dimond plate already and I wont have to texture the floor when I glue things down to it .

[plush swift]

Really, unless you are talking about like the areas around the golden throne, there aint nuthin clean about the imperium in general

[proven grove]

Take that back

[plush swift]

I said what I said 😄

[proven grove]

Your HEATHEN statement aside, wish me luck Gamers.
I go to paint ||a cape||

[plush swift]

Ohhh yea, imma have to figure out shading on a coat

[proven grove]

From what i've seen of super detailed capes they actually start with a brown

[plush swift]

These are the minis i have

[proven grove]

then build it up to the peaks of the wavy-ness with lighter colours

[proven grove]

3D Printed Ogryn Rock
Bottom Text

At least i think it is a rock

[plush swift]

Yea the Vet and the Ogryn both have rocks, though I think the ogryn is just supposed to be in a running pose

[proven grove]

I can imagine a double arm back Hulk Smash Pose moght be possible

which would allows you to focus the detailing to the focus points of the chest and arms(shovel)

[plush swift]

https://i.etsystatic.com/icm/5e00f3/592505964/icm_fullxfull.592505964_lluc6p6jj0g080ckkgsw.jpg?version=0

Thats the intended pose

[proven grove]

But fuck me that Ployrgn, bruh

I suggest watching someone paint Death Guard

[plush swift]

Hehe yea I was so happy when I found it. None of the other plogryns I have found match DT as closely

[proven grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izYjlPNA_h8

Okay I skimmed this hard but i think it would be cool

to try to apply this to the Plogyrn

[plush swift]

Ohhh I was worrying about layering on the goop and sick for it. That looks about right 😄

[proven grove]

The best part about painting dying/rotting models is that flesh does turn black so anything they gets through the colouring loooks like it should be there

[silver thorn]

good luck gamer

when i get home in doing this

[plush swift]

Is an Airbrush required for mini painting? Or can I get away with just brushes

[proven grove]

I've been using a paint brush for everything like an animal

and a tooth pick every so often

[silver thorn]

i ordered one but it comes in today. I'm gonna paint this with a brush i think 🙂

[plush swift]

toothpick?

[proven grove]

to really jab that technical paint into places and do some streaking on the bases

and to give my paint tub a little stir to get it going

[summer sparrow]

think of it as a stiff single bristle brush

[plush swift]

Ok that makes sense, I never thought of using those before adds to the list

[naive umbra]

They're also useful for spreading superglue around on a base before pouring sand/flock on it.

[plush swift]

Yes, you can use basically any paint you want. There is very little difference chemically from a craft paint to an automotive paint funny enough.

Now keep in mind resin is a different beast and the primer you use... really doesnt matter much on photopolymer resin as paint will be nearly identical if not better without the primer, so get the cheapest can if you really want to use primer. I recommend rustoleum camo sprays(which fun fact, are what most hobby primers are)

[plush swift]

i struggle to make my speed painting look descent

[teal wolf]

@plush swift have any emerald green recommendations. Or similar to gw warpstone glow. Just without the bad coverage.

[plush swift]

define emerald green, there are two drastically different versions, one is an arsenic based paint the other is the color of the gem

I'll probably suggest pg7 phthalo green blue shade in anycase though

that or pg36 phthalo green yellow shade

if I assume what youre doing is correct with the whole warpstone glow

thats the technical paint, right?

[teal wolf]

It's a layer paint. I just find it a nice mid tone

It'd be for cloth on minis

[ocean pendant]

If you don't mind using contrast paints, Warp lightning or Karandras green are apparently good alternatives for Warpstone Glow

[teal wolf]

I haven't used em In a few years but back then I was not impressed.

[ocean pendant]

Personally I've never had a problem with contrasts, then again I've only really used them within the last year and a lot of them have been reformulated since their initial release but I know a couple of the early ones weren't great.

[teal wolf]

To be fair I have a few I've mixed with glazes and it was fine.
They are also decent through an airbrush. But when they first dropped I was paid by a friend to do a commission with the straight contrast method and it was so frustrating on how it behaved

[brisk vapor]

Contrast paints are a very nice tool to have but no one paint to rule them all sorta deal as some may have expected

[short pawn]

They are a lifesaver for a pretty decent leather

[teal wolf]

I like the first warp lightning pic. But I don't like using colored primer personally, unless it's brown

[short pawn]

Gore grunta fur over zandri dust and just ez

[teal wolf]

Hmmm. May steal a pot and experiment over a matte white

[plush swift]

I dont know gw paint names well.

but ehre are the ones i was talking about

both have uses for me but I dont use them often since I generally have a split primary limited palette

that palette is Cadmium lemon, cadmium yellow med, cadmium red light, quinacridone magenta, cobalt teal, ultramarine blue, titanium white, and burnt umber

sometimes I swap the cad yellow medium for something like benz yellow or naples yellow

or diairylide

[teal wolf]

Didn't have any pictures saved. Found two they are kinda bad, but more so these.

[plush swift]

yeah thats super similar to pg36, its just more opaque which is hit or miss. neither is better than the other

[teal wolf]

So I just gotta suck it up and layer 🤣🤣

[plush swift]

yEP

[plush swift]

You can do it

its easy

just suck it up and scream while painting

[teal wolf]

I already do boss 🤣 the guy I'm painting for has more shite every week. Double edge sword but I'm getting my reps in

[plush swift]

Good, doing new things will also make you a better painter

[teal wolf]

I really wanna look into some online classes here soonish

[manic shard]

Not a mini but i just had the best deal of the year

[brisk vapor]

Hopefully you're aware that those are for 9th edition

[manic shard]

Yeah

But i want them just to own them

I will never play anyways

[brisk vapor]

Phew, nice

[manic shard]

Also 5pln from 68 is almost like for free

You'd take them too

[brisk vapor]

I dunno, I'd have very little interest in those 😄

[manic shard]

Same but just

5pln

5

[brisk vapor]

It's like an euro isn't it

[manic shard]

Also world eaters

[manic shard]

+- yeah

[vital shore]

68 Zloty seems like a lot for some datacards 😭

goof thing it was marked down cause i would not have shelled out 68 😭

[manic shard]

I mean, all cards here are between 60-70

Rn its just black friday

[vital shore]

hoh dang

[manic shard]

That's why went down to 5

They were the last packs too that's why cut was so massive

[vital shore]

here it's like 80NOk which is like 40ish zloty

i think last time i went to Poland was like 3 years ago so it's been a while

but dang 5 is a real good deal

[manic shard]

60-70 is cheaper than on gw anyways

Aaaand yeah 3 years ago would be way cheaper

Everything goes up now, its expensive even when in this store all stuff is 20% off compared to gw

[vital shore]

💀

dang, won't feel so bad now when spending money in my local tabletop store

[manic shard]

Saw prices rising recently in a span of 3 weeks and cried seeing vashtorr going from 320 to 390

Same with Magnus from 310 to 380

Pain

Agony even

[manic shard]

Pogland
But g is silent

[vital shore]

tell you what though the dice sets have a damn right torturous price

[manic shard]

I dont plan on getting dices because i dont feel like playing

Maybe just to collect, like everything else

But seeing their prices make me go

[vital shore]

i love collecting dice i'm a dice goblin but i haven't touched the GW ones becuase a set is like 100Pln which is PAIN

like i could get a mountain of nice dice even metal ones for less

[jaunty trail]

@vital shore here in germany i get in social discount shops nearly 20-25% discount on the original GW Dice set prices xD

[manic shard]

Some are pretty, some i'd get just because they would fit my armies
But overall
Eh
I dont find them that pleasing for me in any way

[vital shore]

Wow guess it's time for me to jump on the next ferry to Kiel then 😩

[jaunty trail]

@vital shore or just order online xD

[silver thorn]

my dice

[jaunty trail]

Nice Sororitas ones... got my "Sold Out" Black Templars GW Dice Set from a Social Discount shop for 18€ 😄

[silver thorn]

i wish they were square but they are so pretty i had too

[short pawn]

Baron of dice?

[jaunty trail]

Just the right colors in my opinion and a nice fleur in it

[jaunty trail]

For me too expensive to import them to germany 😄

[silver thorn]

yea

[short pawn]

Ahh tough luck. They have the best dice on the market imo.

[jaunty trail]

Ye but paying 40+ bucks for them+shipping... and then there comes the customs with it's import taxing... so i pay three/four times the price they are actually cost... nope for me

[silver thorn]

got this for only 80 bucks which is 20 more than msrp

but its out of print

Im going to kitbash some crusaders with them using sisters of silence as the base

[short pawn]

Good choice, heard they are very fun.

[silver thorn]

i got them for kitbashing lol

[short pawn]

That works too

[silver thorn]

might sell the extra models

if I only use the shields and helmets that leaves most of the box

or ill just hang onto it haha

[ocean pendant]

Huh I don’t think the Exaction squad box is out of production.

[summer sparrow]

I know it's popular for Imperial Knights players

[ocean pendant]

Yea they’re a popular set for people to take as allies

[teal wolf]

Just don't think they have gotten restocked in months

[ocean pendant]

They sell out quick

[teal wolf]

Wish I got to play em when you could run a 5man

[hollow goblet]

Tonight has been fkn wild bro

Got into contact with the guy who stole my minis

Dude is a full on crackhead and was liking threatening me and writing these huge no punctuation misspelled paragraphs

Then he claimed to have the minis like 3 days before they even went missing and its like bro

I am the person you stole these from: why are you trying to convince me

But yeah I caught him lying and I will almost certainly get my throat slit with a hep c needle if I try to collect them so its snitch time baybee we sending in the pigs

[teal wolf]

Fuxk dude how much did he steal??

[hollow goblet]

Literally a combat patrol and a carry case

The worst part is he literally has no idea what he has he just wants to flip it for crack money

[teal wolf]

Still a good chunk of change. Hope ya get it back

[hollow goblet]

Tried explaining I'd spent ages painting it and he just didn't care

I feel like I'm like 80% of the way towards getting it just gotta bait an address out of him, dudes been posted in every group there's no way he's actually gonna be able to sell them

He thinks he has offers but its just the groupchat fake outbidding each other so he holds onto them

[teal wolf]

Pull up on em with some goons 🤣

[silver thorn]

it has been sold out for all of 10th edition

[silver thorn]

good luck!!

aboslutely wild! lmao

be safe! let someone know where you are going

[visual turret]

The Arbites are out of print already??????

[silver thorn]

it has been for months

which is sad cause i want the shields for kitbashing

ok

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/kill-team-exaction-squad-2023

I SHIT YOU NOT

they just went up on the store today

literally today

lmao

they have been out of stock for 7 months

rip my wallet

i checked 2 days ago and they were out of stock

i hate you GW!!!

[ocean pendant]

Yea they release new batch of them every so often, they're just very popular

One because they're cool models and two because they're supposed to be quite a "Meta" inclusion for some 10th edition lists

[silver thorn]

i saw a post on that

they used to be able to be taken as a 5 man right

but they arent anymore so now they dropped off quite a bit

you have to take them as a 10 man now

[ocean pendant]

Yea they're not as good as they used to be, but people are still picking them up

Like they used to be an auto include for some armies, but now they're just a good pick

[silver thorn]

im going to build a 16 man unit of inquisitorial henchman and i still have NO idea how im going to achieve that

there arent official models for them so its kind of a huge project lol

also 1 daemonhost added to the unit is really cool gameplay wise but it makes ZERO sense for grayfax to have one around her...

but the unit basically requires one because its so strong. with it the unit is 2 wounds, 5 up save and -1 to all wounds

I was thinking of getting a necromunda psyker and painting them to be like...

a "holy" daemon

like the plot elements of emperor aligned warp entities like celestine

and obviously my army is sororitas so Im having celesting for sure

originally i wanted to paint one like from darktide but grayfax would have a meltie over it 🙂

[ocean pendant]

The Inquisition does sometimes use Daemonhosts

[hearty bear]

It’s usually radicals though

[ocean pendant]

Oh yea Greyfax is Puritan

[hearty bear]

No sane inquisitor would willingly utilize a daemonhost unless it was a last resort

[silver thorn]

possibly the most written of and popular inquisitor character in 40k

actively comes to consort with a daemonhost

[hearty bear]

Fr?

[silver thorn]

Eisenhorn is a full on daemon trainer

[hearty bear]

Huh

[ocean pendant]

Yea well Eisenhorn is Eisenhorn

[hearty bear]

Wiki said otherwise but I can see it

[ocean pendant]

Him and Ravenor are unusual among Inquisitors tbh

[silver thorn]

Grayfax is, however, a "puritan" inquisitor. That means she abhors daemons to an immeasurable extent. However in one of her most recent books she DOES consort with a daemon on an eldar chaos chrone world with a bunch of gray knights. So.....

She even wanted to execute Celestine before she came around to her

If you read the wiki, they break inquisitors down by philosophy.

The two broadest catagories are "puritan" and "radical"

which mean pretty much exactly what you expect

One supports the Ecclesiarchys dogma the Imperial Truth fully, the other believes in using dark sorcery or evil methods to try to restore the imperium. Usually in the form of some horrible abomination of a ritual to restore the Emperor to life.

there is an animation on Warhammer+ that does a REALLY good job of showing off the radical side and its done as a noir style mystery and its awesome

but I want Celestine x Grayfax in my army and deaemonhosts are like, mandatory in the Henchmen unit.

But embedding grayfax with some henchman literally makes no sense because of the daemonhost! PAIN

not to mention what the Canoness would say D:

[devout lake]

https://tenor.com/view/lotta-words-wow-thats-a-lot-of-words-not-reading-that-not-reading-wow-gif-26878516

[silver thorn]

thats fine! :3

https://youtu.be/OOdxuQS0iaM

[brisk vapor]

https://youtu.be/-T07R5bHnEY

I want my tiny marines!!!!

[lavish crescent]

Go to waylaid minis they still have pre order stock

Called them to double check because its out of stock on GW but not there!!

[brisk vapor]

I already ordered a box last weekend, just waiting for them now

[plush swift]

finished it

[silver thorn]

looks great!

I really should finish painting my rhino...

but i was playing darktide haha

[plush swift]

i always paint before i play

[lyric nimbus]

Anyone know who this guy is?

[proud glen]

lord of Contagion

[lyric nimbus]

K thx

[plain granite]

Finished up a redemptor for my Frost Serpents!

[dark violet]

is this a decent printer for starters?

[visual turret]

That paint is wayyyyy too clean for a dread lmao

Like it looks stunning but I always feel dreads need to be tatty grubby weathered things

[static elk]

My buddys got me working a second job painting this killzone, so im not super painting all these

Just some stand out colors, rust and nuln oil

[dark violet]

looks good though

[toxic stratus]

Productivity! I made bases for the red boys. Next year: decals and touchups

[light zenith]

neuron activation

those look great

i love the sergeant (?)

[plush swift]

Is a paint handle a must have or just a "Nice to have" thing..?

[fickle inlet]

It's barely a nice to have ima be honest

[toxic stratus]

He has some kitbashing from my chaos spare parts, green stuff and a cape. I like that guy

[compact umbra]

Oooo!! That looks amaizng! Tbh I thought it was alpha legion but I love the bronze accent

[plush swift]

Alright well no more reason to procrastinate. Time to paint.

[toxic stratus]

At least it's not a scam like mold line remover. It does its work. So does some spare wood blocks, an old shot glass, bottle caps... whatever you can stick a mini and feel comfortable.

[light zenith]

what the hell is a paint handle?

[burnt wing]

Those things you clip the minis into no?

So you don't have to hold them by their base

[light zenith]

oooh

i just use corks

[burnt wing]

I just hold the base tbh. I have a way better feel for painting and better stability

[proud glen]

Can someone recommend decent plastic glue?

[burnt wing]

The citadel one?

[proud glen]

Cause my Army Painter FUCKING GLUED IT SELF

[proud glen]

Nah too pricy

[light zenith]

ive been using tamiya cement forever

[proud glen]

I was thinking about buying it

[plush swift]

If you can get it from a store, methyl ethyl ketone

[light zenith]

id recommend it

[plush swift]

Tamia extra thin isn't bad, It's just acetone and n-butyl acetate

It does have some problems though, It's super thin and if you have way too much on the brush you pretty much just ruined the model so you have to be very careful with it

[proud glen]

Also yeah an tips how to prime in -4 Celsius outside?

[plush swift]

Wouldn't be the first time I've gotten fingerprints melted into a model

[proud glen]

Asking cause my primer stinks when used

[plush swift]

That's the thing, you don't

[proud glen]

I understand

[light zenith]

thats why you dont put too much on the brush, that isnt really the fault of the glue itself

[proud glen]

Like I primed it when it was warmer

and left it at the balcony overnight

Logicaly it CRACKED

So yeah

now i need somehow clear up mess i did with my primer

[plush swift]

Well it actually does have to do with the glue itself because it runs everywhere, And if I'm not obscenely careful which I shouldn't have to be obscenely careful, It will run everywhere. It's why I generally speaking make my own glue because I want a slightly thicker glue than what they have but something around a liquidy viscosity

[visual turret]

why are you leaving it outside overnight

[plush swift]

Well you could actually use the crazing for a nice effect

[visual turret]

i have had no issues priming, leaving it somewhere to dry and settle for, like, half an hour and then take it inside

[proud glen]

crazing?

[plush swift]

The guy is not in your country so it's going to be a very different situation.

Also you can't leave something you just spray painted indoors until it cures due to the VOCs

[plush swift]

Yeah that's what you call the cracking, crazing.

[proud glen]

Cause it`s the only place

[visual turret]

fair

[light zenith]

thats entirely fair, they do make a thicker version i beleive, but the brush is also wider so i never bothered with it

[proud glen]

I live in an apartment block

not house

otherwise it will stink through the whole apartment

[plush swift]

I just do 70% butyl acetate to 30% acetone, It's a little bit thicker.

The 50-50 mix is really nice for a lot of things though I just don't need it like that a lot, also if I'm doing scale models if I'm using the extra thin I have to remove the welding details to put on my own because the extra thin will in fact remove a lot of those tiny details, so there are situations where it is not the best and using a thicker one will just be better.

[light zenith]

mmm, ive still got a bottle and a half of tamyia so i think ill stick with what ive paid for until those run out, what do you store you glue in, and how do you apply it?

[plush swift]

I use tamiya's bottles

Why mess with something that works well

[light zenith]

ah right, ill probably end up mixing my own then once my current supply runs out

[plush swift]

I do have a syringe applicator as well

[light zenith]

thats half the reason ive kept with tamiya so long, i do like the bottle and applicator

[plush swift]

You can use the airbrush cleaner they sell, It's the same thing as their extra thing. If you do it the way I am you're going to be spending a lot of money up front, a couple hundred dollars

But I do a lot of building, I use butyl acetate in my work all the time, I use acetone all the time in my work, so naturally I'm going to be more willing to buy a gallon or more of a chemical

[light zenith]

yeah i dont think id ever be using it enough to warrant it, for what i get out of it, I personally have never had much of an issue with tamiya glue, besides things that are my fault alone like spilling the bottle and stuff

[plush swift]

Yeah I'm just weird and I have the chemicals laying around, so I might as well be extra fancy and tailor everything to my personal needs

You can mix their thicker glue with their extra thin, but I hate their thick glue as it dries out for some reason

[light zenith]

yeah id taken a break from modelling for like a year, and id gone back to get my glues, and the thick bottle had dried solid like glass

[plush swift]

Yeah I'm not a fan of it, I don't know what's in there but I think there's a plasticizer in there

I could probably ask them and they'll tell me, Tamiya is good at one thing compared to most hobby companies, And that's transparency about the chemicals They use

Which is highly respectable

I might think their paints are grossly overpriced but at least I know what's in them

[light zenith]

i have no experience with their paint, i use Vallejo and AK

[short pawn]

Driving rn to pick up my cadian battleforce box. Gonna be eating good for days

[plush swift]

Its an alcohol based acrylic, its interesting. nothing special.

But there hasnt been a hobby brand thats wowed me though yet, tried most of the ones on the market. I still just keep returning to golden, lascaux, holbein, and turner

[plain granite]

Thanks! They're totally not an Alpha Legion successor at all. Nope, pure 100% Ultramarines. Definitely totally.

[plush swift]

I'm looking forward to trying ultracryl, but thats it so far. Army painter fanatic line is looking to be just marketing hype and them finding an actual paint producer

most hobby paints are shifting to having a house paint company make their paints

AK and GW have done it for a while now

[light zenith]

ive had no complaints with AK, but im a simple to please creature

[plush swift]

AK is the one company I cant do a review of due to the holocaust thing they did

[light zenith]

the what??

[plush swift]

I'd lose a lot of my sponsors

[plush swift]

Oh they used holocaust footage to sell a painting guide, and that painting guide had things like a drowning child, a gas chamber, genocide mass graves, etc

[light zenith]

oh jesus christ

[plush swift]

and then they had a bunch of employees go off on holocaust denial rants

[light zenith]

i am not buying from them again, that had completely missed me

[plush swift]

They DMCA anyone who talks about it in a negative light

which most people who know about it have boycotted them or go off on antisemetic rants

I have had a LOT of those rants when said to me when I bring it up

Are you US based?

[light zenith]

no, im scottish

[plush swift]

Oh a better country

Well if I can suggest a few things to replace your paint

when you run out

mostly white paint

[light zenith]

yeah, id be open to that

[plush swift]

Golden high flow titanium white

[light zenith]

i do not use a great deal of white though

[plush swift]

It will one coat black

and is an ink

and doesnt require primer

[light zenith]

oooh thats nice

is Golden's other stuff good?

does it dry matte?

[plush swift]

Yes, we use them almost exclusively for restoration and conservation

[plush swift]

The soflat line does

[light zenith]

i find Vallejo has a slight glossy finish

groovy

[plush swift]

its not an ultramatte but its matte enough that it reads as matte not satin

their normal lines have a little gloss in them

the gloss improves durability

[light zenith]

ach, reads as is good enough

im not going into comps are anything fancy

[plush swift]

I have mostly their fluid line because I like their gloss

but it also requires learning to mix colors as they are mostly single pigment paints

so a few colors will be good to go, like pyrrole red is nuts

its better than monument's version but also more expensive

[light zenith]

is mixing paints not a normal thing?

[plush swift]

Not in this hobby

Most dont see a point when they can just buy the color

[light zenith]

wild

i dont see a point buying a colour if i can make it with what i have, im gonna be mixing stuff for shading and highlighting anyway

[plush swift]

convenience colors exist for convenience, I dont buy them often but I do buy them on occasion

I'll buy neutral grays sometimes because I'm lazy and just want to throw it into my airbrish

but thats about it

[light zenith]

yeah i do for like drastic colour changes, i dont just have a set of primary colours, i dont hate myself that much

[plush swift]

I mostly stick to a split primary palette and then randomly add things

my palette is expensive as it is because its cobalts and cadmiums, so I generally dont want much else due to it already being problematically expensive

that being said, i still have 80+ versions of single pigment cobalt blue here because I have to for work

plus I adore pbr25 to the point its on most of my palettes but its rare and expensive

[light zenith]

you mentioned airbrushes earlier, do you do much with like acoustic brushes, if so do you have recommendations also?. because i feel like im going to be replacing those much sooner than my paint.

[plush swift]

i do a fair bit with them yeah

but I only have an hp-cs and an infinity cr+

I dont have high end ones

[light zenith]

i do nothing but brush work, besides priming.

[plush swift]

or cheap ones, but I did order a gaahleri one today to try it

heard they were good from a few airbrush artist youtubers

and I want an airbrush strictly for enamel and lacquer primers

[light zenith]

aye, airbrushes scare me so ive never bothered with them

[plush swift]

just wear a mask and you're good

[short pawn]

This will be a good meal

[plush swift]

oh those released?

[light zenith]

not in that sense, also for what im doing i just cannot justify the price

[plush swift]

thats fair

I just use them to speed up painting a lot most of the time

[light zenith]

eh i enjoy the process

probably wont by the time ive finishde by 21 marines

[plush swift]

Umm

I have 4 leviathan boxes

and 6 indom boxes

I need to paint

yes

the indom boxes are still sealed

[light zenith]

ach aye, id probably want an airbrush for all that too

[plush swift]

yeah, saves me hours if not days

[light zenith]

damn near weeks by my reckoning

[plush swift]

I'm fast at painting by brush

but 10 years working in fine art will do that

[static elk]

Thnx

[muted copper]

First time painting

[visual turret]

I really want the judiciar from indom

No isolated release yet :(

[light zenith]

have ye had a look on ebay?

[plush swift]

they are like $50+ a lot of the time

[light zenith]

oof

ive got a fair amount from ebay for less than what GW wants of me

[plush swift]

same

[brisk vapor]

fuck yeah, looking good

[muted copper]

thanks!

[compact umbra]

We all know the alpha legion isn’t real!

[patent bluff]

Good start

Should I cop the battle sisters box for 45 dong

Don’t wanna spend 60

[plush swift]

For the past 3 days I've been trying to finish my Shadowsword Titanicus that I began building at the start of this year I've so far been unable to figure out what I'm missing on the tank except for the side turrets and it's been bothering me.

[hearty bear]

I got a check for 1000 dollars

I can afford a necron army now

[plush swift]

Very nice.

I honestly just wanna drop the Shadowsword right now cause I don't even know which weapons to put on.

[dawn stream]

My Terminator Chaplain has arrived

[plush swift]

The curse of starting models and then having life get in the way.

[dawn stream]

Waiting for the Storm Speeder

[plush swift]

https://tenor.com/view/720-iron-tager-blazblue-gif-20819240

magnets

[hearty bear]

Paint it, black

[dawn stream]

Raven Guard. So yeah

[plush swift]

I've never even made a single vehicle in tabletops

this is literally my first army

[hearty bear]

Paint them all, black

[plush swift]

I still dont have a completed army

[dawn stream]

Ya wanna see the lads?

[plush swift]

well neither do I

I just struggle with the Shadowsword right now.

[silver thorn]

i generally find new space marine vehicles to be pretty boring but i love the roll cage on the primaris living guy dreadnought

[jaunty trail]

That's cuz' the Imperium uses "STC" Machines... So there is a Standard Template which results in a Construct like an Impulsor tank... The Impulsor Construct can be easily built up with some additional armor and a turret: boom there is a Gladiator tank... same goes for Rhino->Razorback->Whirlwind->Predator

[dawn stream]

The Storm Speeder looks pretty neat

[light zenith]

building things is cringe, we uphold relics in this household

[heavy basin]

Just getting started with 40k tabletop, and a Black Friday deal at my local game shop came with 9 different free D&D prismatic paints. I’ve also been recommended to watch videos on the slapchop painting method, and after doing so it seems a really good method for a less experienced painter like me. My question is, does anyone know if D&D prismatic paints are contrast paints, or non-contrast? (I think there’s a name for non-contrast but if so I forget.) If they aren’t contrast I guess they’ll just be for very specific details, as most of them I got are metallics anyway.

[sullen creek]

All hail the omnissiah

[short pawn]

Omnisnora zzzz

(Just kidding I love it)

[patent bluff]

HELL YEAH

[naive umbra]

They do look very tasty

[sudden notch]

Man im yet to paint my grey knight comat patrol

[short pawn]

Wow that's actually looking like an amazing box

[plush swift]

Contrast paints are just watered down transparent paints, as long as the paint is transparent then it works. So the chances that those paints work will work is low because most hobby paints are filled with a pacifying agents for "ease of use for new painters".

Also I have to say it, slap chopping is actually called scumbling, And it's been called that for several hundred years... Slapchop was named by a guy who also who thinks London isn't a toxic wasteland too. I refuse to acknowledge the name because of that.

[true inlet]

Imagine if theres a box with 100 guardsmen and nothing else

Or 100 guardsmen with 5 commissar

And name it imperial guard combat patrol...

[heavy basin]

interesting, slapchop was the only name I was told to look up and I easily found a tutorial showing the method. I'll have to try looking up scumbling and see if there's even more info. I'm guessing there's no way to tell if these D&D prismatic paints are transparent without actually breaking them out and using them then. If you don't mind my asking, what paint brand would you recommend for good contrast paints to do the scumbling method?

[toxic stratus]

to be fair painting that would be the end of the hobby for me

105 28mm models in one go? no way

[heavy basin]

I'm brand new to the hobby and just assembling the space marines from my leviathan box is proving for more of an endeavor than I realized. Cutting out all the pieces, cutting off connection bits to the mould, having to bore out gun barrels with my xacto knife (I failed to get one of those expensive GW hobby drills.) I am really starting to see why people will endlessly rant and rave over their armies. These things are a work of time, sweat, and blood. (I've already cut myself twice by accident.)

[plush swift]

I mean you can use whatever brand is transparent and it's marketed as transparent, you can use inks if you want as well, most inks are transparent, just add in a little bit of glaze medium and it's almost identical to a contrast paint.

What I would use is going to be pretty far out of budget for most people, I use professional grade paints, where the cost is better per milliliter but the initial investment is a lot more because you have larger bottles

If you go with the ink route(or non-hobby paint), there will be a circle or a square somewhere on the bottle, a black swear means that it's opaque, a white square means it's transparent. Unless you buy a hobby ink then you don't know until you use it

There's a bunch of different ones like speed paint and the couple others I can't remember the names of

Most are the same except army painter sucks, and Vallejo you have to watch out for because it can water reactivate

[toxic stratus]

you can get way cheaper and better "pin vise" than GW one. It gets better with practice and taking time painting them is so relaxing for me

[heavy basin]

oof, my local store sells a lot of army painter. They also have the Citadel paints, which I've heard can be overpriced. But I do like that Citadel at least labels what the different paints are meant for, like base coat, shading, wash etc. At least that way if I buy that brand I know what kind of paint I'm getting, which helps for a noob like me.

[plush swift]

If GW was selling a tool, there are two things that hold true.
It's low quality and hyper expensive because they slapped their name on it.

[heavy basin]

I'm afraid the same could be possible for their paints, but at that point I have no clue what actually would be a trustworthy paint brand for me

[plush swift]

Army painter does the same as well, And yeah GW paint is incredibly overpriced, but all hobby paint is incredibly overpriced. If you live in the US you live near a store called blick, their house brand student grade Matt acrylics are literally the same thing as a hobby paint and they're about $2 for a 30 ml

[toxic stratus]

I just can't stand GW bottles at all. I transfer to dropper bottles when I buy them

[plush swift]

Their painter made by a company that makes house paints and automotive paints, It's mostly fine.

Just don't use any white or yellow hobby paints, this is like the only time I'll ever say go get an artist or professional grade one and it will be miles easier to use, same with orange but to a lesser extent. Yellow is a very finicky color that doesn't like being adulterated with an a pacifying agent, It just will always come out looking weird or be really chalky. Titanium white, the base white pigment, is super unstable when you do anything to screw with it.

[heavy basin]

cool, my local game store said the exact same thing about yellows and whites. Which thankfully I should be able to avoid almost entirely as I plan on playing dark angels, with a very dark color scheme of either outright black or extremely dark green as the base. I've seen some dark angels that very liberally use bright greens and reds and I'm sorry, but all I see are christmas elves at that point. So I'm planning on doing it a bit differently, where it hopefully still feels like dark angels but with my own twist. Anyway, appreciate all the advice for a newbie! I'll probably be asking more questions here as I progress, and can't wait to post pictures of my first painted miniature :D

[toxic stratus]

at some point you'll go to that territory with bone color armor and clothes

[plush swift]

If they dont feel like dark angels, just call it a successor chapter as GW does recommend people use their own homebrew chapters over the cannon ones

So dont feel like you cant change parts you dont like

Oh I do have one tip that will sound weird at first, (but I dont know how well it would work with GW contrast paint as I have never tried but I will do a test here with in in a moment but i;ve done it with professional paints and water colors), dont base it with black, base it with something like red instead then do white over that.

"slop chopping" is based off the grisaille method which means its based off a sort of outdated method

verdaccio and cinnabrase over took it for modern day painting

grisaille means black and white base layers

then you build color on top of that

[heavy basin]

As long as a "successor chapter" can still play in the rules as if it were the actual space marine chapter, then yeah I'll just say mine are succesors and that way they get their own color scheme that suits my tastes.

[plush swift]

Actually yes, a homebrew chapter can use any chapters rules in a tournament setting while if you paint them exactly like one chapter, they can only be that one chapter.

Specifically in tournament settings

[toxic stratus]

yup as long as you have the same units you can call them whatever.

[plush swift]

Friendlies and most store play, you can play ultramarines as iron hands if you wanted

tournaments are the ones that have mandated painting schemes, and the larger ones can have painting rubrix which force your army to be painted a specific way(IE have weathering) but those are awful and stupid

[toxic stratus]

you just can't take for example dark angels and blood angels specific units and go "my chapter dark blood angels have these op comp"

[heavy basin]

so why would you do a full base coat of red and then a full base coat of white before even starting to apply your actual colors? Wouldn't that result in an overall loss of detail with two extra coats underneath everything? You obviously are expereinced with painting so I must be missing something for sure. The slapchop video I watched, I'm pretty sure they primed black, drybrushed grey on, drybrushed a lighter grey for raised details, then drybrushed white for very prominently raised details. Then they went in with their actual color contrast paints, and it seemed to work really well.

[plush swift]

Because of how light interacts with the pigments, give me a second here

I'll post a picture

[heavy basin]

yeah i highly doubt ill be doing tournaments anytime soon, if ever. From what my local game store told me, a lot of generic space marines can be any specific chapter you want them to be (like hellblasters, those dudes with plasma rifles) but say a dark angel specific unit, can only be a dark angel (like lion el johnson.)

[plush swift]

pretty much

the reason why you would paint ALL of your spacemarines ina custom scheme is so you can swap units out

which means you need less over all models for instance, you wanted to use blood ravens but then you wanted to use ultramarines

because of a unique character or something

[heavy basin]

I still have to learn the basic rules, currently I'm at ground zero for knowledge :D I'm holding off on assembling another pack of space marines with these long laser rifles, because the pack comes with several different rifle types you can build each model with, and apparently the one that they are actually holding determines the kind of weapon it is in actual gameplay. So once I commit to building the model and painting it, it's stuck with that weapon. And I have no clue currently how to read that datasheets and interpret what weapon I want em to have. So I'm gonna wait and ask my local game store for advice on that one.

[plush swift]

white>blue>violet>red>black

[plush swift]

you can magnetize the rifles easily enough

and most are of them are friction fit these days too

but yeah above is a transparent green with different under paintings

that green I used however I think went back because its super thick

I'll have to call the company about it

[toxic stratus]

afaik leviathan box don't have weapon options

[plush swift]

I can check real quick, i have two unopened boxes right next to me

[heavy basin]

nah it doesn't, I was talking about a primaris eliminators pack I got too. At least with leviathan I can just put em all together exactly as the manual shows. One less thing for indecisive mind to get overwhelmed by

[plush swift]

i know next to nothing about the game, im a painter with a fleeting interest in playing the game

[heavy basin]

It has 3 dudes with laser sniper rifle weapons, it looks like. I thought it looked cool and my local store said it could work with dark angels and would provide a long range, elite killing potential that could help round out normal dark angels playstyle. And I'm a sucker for sniper type units in most games, I love plinking away at enemies from outside their range if I can get away with it.

[toxic stratus]

I can suggest starting with kill team, then occasionally playing lower point smaller games eventually working up to 2000 point full army

learning the game, getting the army painted up to a standard you are happy with, fixing terrain etc. can be overwhelming all at once

[plush swift]

i have 3 boxes of minis and i haven't touched them with a brush yet💀

[mint merlin]

PileOfShame moment

[plush swift]

yeah

[jaunty trail]

Don't worry man... I know some people that have entire armies built but never painted out of different reasons...

So 3 Boxes is not that "Pile" 😉

[mint merlin]

it's the beginning of a pile

fight it back

don't let it grow

[jaunty trail]

I pushed mine back very well in the last 3 months xD

And if i keep up is should be done in february with any mini i still have unassembled here xD

But currently i have to cease painting cuz of weather...

[hollow goblet]

honestly I disagree with learning by playing kill team (as someone who did it) , the ways turns work is completely different and you set the wrong foundations for the rest of the game, 500pt/combat patrol is a lot better bc its similar to the actual game

[short pawn]

Same here. The way killteam handles saving throws and -AP kinda made the transition to 40k not very pleasant.

[plush swift]

it USED to be the way to do it

now... its not

[plush swift]

i haven't felt like painting in a hot minute

[rare hornet]

Pile of shame?

BEHOLD

The bed of shame!

[proud glen]

[rare hornet]

To be fair some of those boxes have been built

[jaunty trail]

That's a bit... more... but it's okay XD

[mint merlin]

bro is literally a dragon
sleeping on his hoard