#40k-minis-and-armies
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Oooh the red and brass looks good
Thank you!!
god the heat-burn effects are fucking perfect
Thank you!!! First time I’ve tried it too ❤️
I put the shield on finally
Just gotta fix the minor fuckups on it and a few other spots here and there
Ooooh the black with gold might be worth a try now I’ve seen that
Yeah I wanted to get black on him seeing as otherwise it’s just grey and gold
That leather is just 👌
I liked red as the highlight choice too
The brown leather is literally just mournfang with reikland on it
So easy it’s great
And the tabbard is Rakarth and a generous coating of nuln oil
Once I’ve finished my knight I’ll probably look into doing my space marine that’s sitting about
but yeah seeing it myself, the black on that shield w/ the gold trim is really pretty
Chonky!
It really does!!
btw i painted it just with paintbrush
Yeah that’s fair. Only spraying I’ve done is base coating
holy shit what did you use for that red
Tamiya clear red over vallejo duralluminium
preshaded with some purple
i am torn about painting my knight in either a known knight house
or after the Carcharodons
space sharks all day
get some custom transfers
My Based Marine lieutenant w/ Storm shield is done
Raven Guard Incursors
Love the gold on that fella, what's your recipe?
They do be sneaky
you can count those in as well, the pilots are in phobos gear aren't they
I think so
Yeah it’s plain old retributor armor w/ reikland fleshshade on it. Not even a highlight lol
<Power Tripping Grot Noises>
Kanz' redy fer fraggin' stuff?
careful with that red, dont expose it to UV light its not entirely lightfast
Found this meme and I want to find a picture of said woman and make her a model!! It would funny af to see her being like 5'2
Next to the LION and his Lion guard
Finally gonna start priming my models. I ordered chaos black because my friend recommended the spray.
Tired of seeing the plastic in areas I can’t reach with my brush without messing something up
Any tips one what to do? I know the basics of angel and not spraying directly on the model
What minis you spraying?
Generally it’s quite easy.
If for example you’re doing a space marine just ensure you’ve got them stuck down on like some old cardboard with sticky tak if possible.
Short sprays and keep the can moving, you’ll want approximately 15-20cm between the mini and the can.
Give it like 15 minutes to dry and have a look over the model and judge if you need to do another light coat.
Also after you’ve finished priming hold the can upside down and do a quick spray or two on some spare material somewhere, this keeps the spray from clogging up in the nozzle
Gotcha I’m a guardsmen main now days but I do more than 40K
Most models I do are about the same size as guardsmen though so it’s the same stuff
One thing worth noting is when building minis it’s sometimes with keeping parts off them and spraying them separately
Off the top of my head an Ogryn shield would just block a lot of spray if he was holding it
So would it be wiser in the future to just take the parts holder and spray all the parts instead of just the model when it’s built?
Forgot the name of what it’s called
That’s a way to do it, I’ve done it like this when I painted my paladin
The problem you face there is you could damage the paint while cutting it off
I don’t think it would be super noticeable if I painted over it regularly with the model being mostly primed in the hard to reach places
Little disappointed I didn’t wait to start trying priming until after I had already painted a sergeant
Guess I gotta buy some sticky tack as well
Could I use a beer bottle as a holder?
Reason I say have sticky tak is the spray can is cable of blowing over some items if they’re light enough
I know the reason for tack but I’m wondering if a old beer bottle I could use as a holder to get better angels on the model
Or if I should just get a stick
Also thank you for the tips before I forget
No worries!
Debating if I want the barrels on the back of the Baneblade to be red or grey
Or metallic
Re-admiring this and I am just gobsmacked at how smooth the paint job on the metal is, the wiring is crisp and clean and the neatness of your paintwork is incredible
That you!! I really appreciate it =^.^= a lot of that smoothness comes from watered down layers, to do the wiring I’m doing that last. So the process would start with the back most colours then then do the wiring on top etc.
As for the metal effect it’s actually just several washes that I slowly layered up
That makes sense
I always struggle to, like
Work out what to do lowest highest
Topographically ofc
Well going off this, you can see the black is the lowest, along with the bronze, you do those layers then if need be neatly clean up afterwards
If it was me I’d consider having different labeled barrels for different purposes
Krispy
Hmm, could do red and the dry brush on silver from where the paint is worn away
That could work
Also I need to up my brush size
Taking way too long on some components
That, and definitely flubbed up when I decided to no do tracks separate and spray them in lieu of painting them by hand
Yeah I have large wide brush and that has saved me so much painting time
Flat brush?
I have the citadel xtra large paint brush
A large and wide flat head rather than a round one
Yep that’s what I was thinking of
Might do better in getting the wheels and tracks
My metallic round head brush is well… it tries
Retired it from guardsmen painting and now utilize it for Metallics since the bristles have had it
Agreed, trying my damneds to save brushes but some paints just fuck your brushes
Like why tf does get say use a brush for texture paint?!
It will literally destroy your brush if you don’t clean that thing with the anus of the devil himself
I just buy dozens of 30 cent paint brushes and destroy them whenever I want
Haven't found a paint brush good enough to warrant the price and lack of durability
Respect brother
It is I Vaulgrm the Warpsmith-discordant, back to rate your painted models. I rate them beautiful
Until next time
Little does the Warpsmith know, I planted a bomb into his daemon engine so I can take his place and have daemon dog of my own
Genius!
Which one? It better not be Snuffles
And vengeance upon thee if it is Cuddles the Venomcrawler
Painting guardsmen is... long
That's some good looking cannon fodder.
Is it the steel legion?
Yes 🙂 and thanks!
Even if its loyalist scum, pretty models deserve praise 😤
I hope enough of them survive. Got destroyed by custodes last game
... yeah but most armies get destroyed by the golden boys in my experience 
But this reminds me I should probably go paint my models again 
It was my first time in 10th edition. I think the custodes did 90% casualties.
Thanks! :))
Sup Warsmith. How's life
If any militarum players want to lend some advice, i'd be happy to take it. Like it seems taking 20man squads it better than 2x 10 man squads?
A friend of mine plays militarum ans he says scout sentinels and indirect fire artillery are his best friends. Can't confirm though since I have yet to play against him in 10th.... to be fair it's been at least 2 years since I played last 
I need more artillery..
And that was on tabletop sim. The fact I have never played a game with my physical army stings
I get that. Ive only played a couple times and on and off. Sometimes its not easy finding a gaming community where you live if like its a small town.
Doing good thanks, just working on the knights at the moment
I live on a rock in the middle of the North Atlantic with earth rumbles and volcanoes... saying the hobby is niche here is an understatement
Yeah I saw the knight... your painted knights are making my resolve to not buy chaos knights crumble... my pile of shame is bad enough as is
I get you.. I'm lucky at the moment. There are a couple gaming places and a warhammer store in my city
Yeah my country literally doesn't have a GW store. As far as I know warhammer models can only be bought in our 1 dedicated nerd store
Sure there are other model/crafting stores but as far as I know they don't have warhammer
Thats rough, at least there is a nerd store though
Volume of fire. We shall stand strong and overwhelm the enemy with the weight of our bodies.
Aye at least Iceland has a nerd store.
Isnt it super cold year round there?
From what I have been reading, and my recent play as Orks, having a squad broken up into 2x10 offers a bit more screening and objective control, at least with Orks.
I need to rebuild my IG army from the ground up, so I only have theory crafting at the moment.
Naah that's Greenland
It's actually hotish and sunny right now. Solid 10°C
And I think summer might even be pretty hot in Greenland.
Okay 🤔 that seems right for objectives. Just i hear a lot of using 20man squads
Allways mix up the 2
Yeah confusing names
I think it also depends on if you have a leader linked to them too.
A Commissar with Drill Commander and the Take Aim order in a squad of 20 sitting in an objective would be dangerous to deal with directly.
Crits on an unmodified roll of 5+, hits on a 3+, good for spotting for Artillery, high objective control.
Again, this is all theory crafting. So, grain of salt and all.
So like 20's are good for a lot of firepower × orders and the 10 mans for OC and situational stuff i guess
Now should I paint more iron warriors or should I start assembling my traitor guard and fellgors?
Or should I finally start on my World Eaters?
World eaters look fun to paint
Whichever you enjoy more 🙂
Well I’ll be getting chaos knights soon anyway
Can I used Chaos Space Marine units (cultists, dark apostles etc) with the Death Guard?
Look up what Index says
Compare Keywords and introductionary texts of Index DG and CSM and the respecting units
Guess next paycheck goes into Chaos knight Wardogs 🥲
Guys pls tell me is there anything that stops an imperial Guard player from taking like 30 tanks in 3000 points battle size
In 10th? Their wallet and army bag capacity, maybe?
were playing tabletop simulator sadly
Also, given that a leman russ is anywhere between 150 and 200 points, it's closer to 20 or fewer tanks for a 3k battle
Im playing custodes and im afraid
Here's the thing, nothing is stopping an aeldari player from taking 3 wraithknights and fire prisms either, except for the fact that they'll run out of opponents quickly
That's why the force organisation chart used to be a thing
less heavy support spam
I don’t have the index
You can Download it for free on Warhammer Community
So I didn’t need to buy that Astra Militarum index?
All indexes are currently free to download
Fuck
Also the Balance and Legacy Data Sheets are completely free to download there
Thank you! It’s not just me then
Practicality. While tanks are good, they are still limited. Limited to 3 of each tank type, and if they don't have Enginseers, they can't repair and they can be hit pretty hard.
I won't say it will be easy, but it's there.
Explain this force organisation chart to me
Oh those
I quite liked those too be fair. Made you think about what to take
Still I'd rather play a fluffy army then a super min/maxed one
(and probably lose)
How long does GW hold a product at their store once it arrives?
Stores restock based on popularity
And they last until they remove the kit or replace it
So if it's not a space marine model, it won't get redone anytime soon
I meant more if I shipped it to the GW store, how long will they hold it
Like from the website to a physical store
Sorry for confusion
The ones in amsterdam hold it for quite a while, at least for multiple months. Can't say about any other location
My local Store holds things that are shipped there for local pickup for about 14 days... after that the stuff will be returned.
Thanks, always worth to ask
But talking with store manager, employees is almost best ^^
Almost there :3
Fuck í need a wardog now
They slap on the table
Especially after a few you put some knight codex crusade traits on them
In 9th armigers and war dogs punch well above their weight but do not hold up well to return fire
Had a game not to long ago where I went second and my warglaive ran forward and one shot a russ
That's a Thicc Reaper chainsword
When the thermal spears roll hot, they roll damn hot
If only I had a warhound, then I could have him and 6 warhounds for a perfect hilarious 2k
The autocannons are okay, they obliterate things like terminators well, but a 10 man guard squad is actually quite a slog to grind through
I have a Valiant, a paladin (that's magnetized), a Castellan and 4 armiger's all magnetized
I don’t bother with magnets
Which at the start of 10th was 2k, but now it's 2180
Magnets definitely worth on models this expensive
I ain't got the financials for all that
I do want a Cerastus, those things are goofy as hell
I’m debating the castigator
Lancer is awesome
Did some more sprue sculpting last night. This Marine gets a little bit of wall, as a treat
At least, I hope that comes across as a wall and not a lump of blegh
Oh, I intend to paint it
Thought you'd paint those up as gold bars. Some bling war loot 😆
I was also thinking about getting a piece of zip tie and painting it metallic to look like a support strut
Give it a pinched, jagged look at the top to indicate damage
Like there was more wall, and now there's not
Marines can have a little wall, as a treat
Makes me imagine a Space Marine gnawing on a chunk of concrete
Work continues
Sorry i stacked them
That is some clean paint work
Thanks! It’ll get dirtied up and chipped in due time but the machine spirit will be treated with respect for now
Looks like it's fresh out of the manufactorum
Show off ;-;
Brand new unit from GW. An Imperial Knight that is actually three Termies in a trench coat
Ya'll ever get shipped a spray can without a lid before?
Y’all ever get shipped a spray can but without the can and just a lid before?
Idk what would upset me more 🤣
This was cool tho
I'm back to painting baby!!!
Only been a 3 month burnout
@rare hornet look at those beautiful hazard stripes 😱
I finally managed not to botch them
And with this my late night painting session has come to a close
black noir??? the boys reference!??!??
No clue boss. Tis a "Marble effect" spray can, Mid af ngl
😔
Starter set Necrons are D-O-N-E. Picked up the right green from the store and I was really happy with the outcome. Dotted the eyes and everything but lighting down here can't exhibit that properly 🙂
Next on my slate is to wrap up three assault intercessors I picked up with an issue of Imperium, which then leaves me with two five-man squads.
Following that, I get to work on the Space Marine box set, or... my first vehicle.
i can tell you didn’t do their glows with an airbrush, how do you do yours?
i’ve got an ork stompa i want a lot of glowie bits on
parts i want glowie i primed white
just a small brush- let's see if I'm still doing this in a year before I get an airbrush, i'm a little intimidated haha. I slathered white onto the spots as sloppy as possible then hit those same spots with tesseract glow. with the scarabs it ran into the cracks more than clung to any surface I wanted it to, so I went over the white spots with moot and it looked way better
That stompa is incredible! Looking forward to seeing the final product
Looks awesome! Good luck with the vehicle you got that, it's just time consuming
thank you!
Oi! Lookie 'ere! Boss gots a big ol' stompa! Boss! Throw us in it and at da oomies!
Finally painting my Tzaangors, didn't want them all to have the same skin tone so I'm trying my best to tweak it and have it still feel coherent
The chonkiest of bois
Who here has the biggest collection?
Not a clue
probably me, I have 10k of most armies
if not more
But I also paint and sell armies so i will typically have a lot of armies laying around
On todays painting agenda 1 autocannon legionary
Painting a russ on my end
These look great!
I definitely don't have the largest. I just started. I've only got 27 minis
💀 i only have three broken orc mech from 2012
I'm gonna have 5 more when the Jump Pack Intercessors release
I was also thinking about picking up some Sternguard
If Primaris are supposed to be bigger, stronger, and more resilient than Firstborn, then why don't their stats reflect that?
Shouldn't they have more toughness and wounds?
They used to get an extra attack in melee over firstborn
Also they get larger model range
Maybe once they finish replacing all the old models, they'll adjust the stat block
Thank you! Still on the fence about what direction I will go in army-wise. I love my Space Marines but I'm starting to read 40k stuff outside of just the Imperium POV
The Infinite and the Divine makes me want to build a bunch of Lokhust destroyers. Parts of the book read like Douglas Adams
Thats cool :). Its a good idea to have an army you like painting as well as enjoy its playstyle. The combat patrol boxes seem like a good way to test out an army. Hate the guard's box tho x(
In 8th edition they had 2 wounds while firstborn had only 1
Like terminators
Interesting.
The Game does not reflect the lore
It can't, the game would be unplayable
GW wants to replace firstborn with Primaris as a way to sell more models by updating old sets and making more variations to buy
They made Primaris have more health for a small period as they launched to get meta gamers and just average players to invest more into them
Ah. As always, everything GW does is to push their plastic crack
I know I'm already contemplating buying more as I approach the end of my current box
I've been looking at the Thunderstrike variant for the Storm Speeder for awhile now
Im def looking at the combat patrols, hopefully the new SM and Necron ones should be out by the holidays
Should a black line separate the green and khaki or nah
i say nah
Should I kind of blend it better?
it looks good to me
Mk. VI helmet my beloved
Yup the two lascannon members of the squad will wear MK VI Helmets ^^
The devastor squad will be annoying XD
Combined with Razorback,, Currently figuring out which leader unit would buff them in the right way
God I don’t know at what point I should do other things on my Knight as I don’t know what I should sub-assembly
what options u have? And which are viable
I don’t Play, so it’s for show
I’m tempted to magnetise anyway
And I have the questoris
Idk whether to keep the head off now or put it on, put any shells on already, like
Gah
So many choices
I might grab a knight or two when that Horus heresy knights game comes out. Purely for display purposes
First Khorne Berzerker done
Looks fucking sick
Still got a long ways to go but she’s coming together now
What's the most used trim color for night lords?
I can't tell if its silver, copper or gold
Head you can put on as the helmet covers it later and you can add that on. All the armour can and should be painted off the mini
Make sure you put the exhausts on before the top carapace otherwise that’s a world of pain. And same goes for the heavy stubber and ion shield by the head. Put them on before the carapace
Can the top carapace go on or should I do that separately anyway?
It’s easier to paint separately I found @visual turret
Morning :).
Took a picture of everything painted so far. I think i have like 90 guardsmen not including command squad and stormtroopers. I hope thats enough infantry lmao.
How’d you get the transfers to look painted on
probably used set and sol or a similar product
Set to create an adherent surface sol to form the transfer onto the mini and match the texture but the real secret to finish it off is a spray varnish to even out the reflectiveness and texture and to just protect it in general, it’s all in the varnish
I got some matte varnish that you paint on but didn’t get the desired effect. So spray varnish works better even without the surface sol?
Yes because you get an even coat and you wont clog the color and create brush stroked ect.
Interesting. I’ll make sure to pick some up and test it out
I ise munitorum varnish but feel free to try others out to get whatever finish you want
Oh and patience is a big part, make sure to get every crease out using sol before anything else
@hard kindle
Surface sol? Not familiar with it. Ill google it x).
Yes, sol will make the transfer soft so it can form to rounded surfaces and exercise creases
When you say sol. Is it the name of something like solvent?
Ive just no idea what it is
Ahhhhhh
One is not without the other
Never used it. Thanks for the tip!
Thanks haha
Have any of you fine folks kitbashed or converted a Master of Executions?
Hello, I got some brush cleaner, how often should I use it? After each painting session? Each week?
I wash my brushes after every model but that might be bad
Slow down turbo
Lol
I haven’t pained in a bit but i know now to not do that
And again im so sorry for pointing out the amogus
Wait there might be confusion
I rinse off my brush after every model
How to clean air brush
•color change
-dump out excess paint and clean out hopper with airbrush cleaner and a synthetic brush, then spray into a paper towel or into a spray pot until clear
•finished session
-repeat the steps above then remove the needle and clean with airbrush cleaner and rinse with water, make sure wipe in the direction of the need as no to damage it
Like instead of paint cup i run it under sink
That works
No
Thats good
You are just conforming to zoomer humor
I saw the mogus and had to show it
Yeah i tend to do that
Not for an air brush tho, just a regular brush. The instructions say that I should let the brush rest in the solution for 20 mins, but I don't know how regularly should I do that
white vinegar
depends on the material, if they are sable? never. Synthetics? once a month
brush soap? after every session minimum
sables, once an hour
if you need to use that stuff on a sable, you already fucked up and probably killed the sable
They really dont survive acrylics hence why every company who actually products brushes will tell you not to use them with acrylics, acrylics kill them quickly
@visual turret so out of curiosity, what version of knight? you leaning towards mostly?
thanks a lot!
I have no clue - I was thinking preceptor. I want the chainsword on it I know that much :P just a choice for the armature from there on the other side
Well you’re building for looks over gameplay. I went with the battlecannon as cannon chainsword is such a classic knight look
Oh fuck that base is nice
Thank you
Thanks
Yeah it totally is, that’s why I’m tempted to just go as standard with that. The mega bolter piece and the melta(flamer?) option is pretty too
So many choices
It’s why I was tempted to magnetise hahah
Yeah the gatling cannon and flamer is awesome, you could have him aiming one of the weapons?
Query: you don't necessarily need your troops to actually be armed with what they're carrying for games, right? (i.e. BattleTech rules)
So long as the equipment and what squad is using what is written down and assigned clearly, everything is A-Ok as far as official rules go, right?
So if I have, for the sake of argument, a Commissar Ciaphas Cain model that's done up in Propaganda style (i.e. carrying the Bolt Pistol Commissars are famous for), he can still be carrying his laspistol and be actually using that.
Yeah I'd say like 95% of people you play with would be fine with it as long as it's not completely confusing or difficult to read
The answer is always "it depends". Some people will play What You See is What You Get (WYSIWYG) rules in which case you have to model the weapon you're using. This also varies depending on game store and tournament, so really you need to ask each time. I magnetise everything except my troops, mainly because I play T'au and think all their weapons look cool anyway so it's nice to have the option, plus their models are very easy to magnetise anyway.
They look fantastic, I hope someday to have Guardsmen of my own
Thanks :). Hope you do too, i find them fun to paint and detail, and there are a lot of them lol
Bit sad a lot of regiments are no longer made
Okay so i have a mono marine but cant decide on a scheme so i made this rudimentary poll. Hoping that the community will help me paint it by popular choice
I shall leave the poll link here and will check it again 24hrs later when it ends 🙂
Poll starts at 5 o clock cet
IF, BA, UM, Loyalist other, Traitor other
Casual? No. store organized play?, Ask the TO. Tournament play? They have to have what their exact load out is
@floral wind as BT enjoyer i will vote for IF... Dorns sons are strong
Agreed im a CF enjoyer currently so ig we're a little biased xD
XD
Working on some more Incursors. Now with rubble!
Nice
Well done!
I detest working with skin & faces. But I think I’m improving
These are my space marines, and they shall know to goon
Looking forward to the tyranid half of the leviathan box. Gonna paint them as albino Tyranids probably
Welcome to hell, please forfeit all of your funds immediately
Only in debt does hobby end
“My child will save money if he can’t afford models”
sells house
BT ancient
2/5
I feel you.
Hell yeah
Just transfers left to do
Amazing job
Now you just need a castellan-class

It’s on the todo list
Gonna get this guys all finished off then probably take a break before doing the next one
@plush swift @naive umbra @hollow goblet Well, that works too I guess
Nevermind that most of my models at this point are from Etsy and thus not tournament legal anyway, but I have a shocking number of Not!Kriegers now
Yo the last one rocks, what faction is it and how'd you make the furr look so good?
Today I shall use a funny Way to Say gun :)
Clueless
It's a nomad from infinity
That looks like a cat to me
Didn't know they looked like that
D'you get the joke yet?
Finished the Incursor squad, which finishes my Infiltrator box
Which also finishes my army!
My Wednesday game. 770 points on my side, 800 on his. Orks vs Space Marines.
Don't have the notebook nearby, but it was fairly even. Grots on a control point, got me an AMAZING 2 extra CP.
Played around with cover, learned the power of multimeltas, flamers on Overwatch at the center control point was amazing.
Big squads of space Marines are weak to blasting rockets. Who knew?
No MVB?
No problem!
Thousand Sons are just Orks who listen to Born of Osiris instead of Motorhead: every demon is a Tzeentch daemon if you graft a few eyeballs, feathers and Tzaangor heads. Surgically implanting a portal so it reads better as an MVB when it arrives
Wondering if I can get away with paining the shell spiral into the portal itself but I think the overall model might be a bit too short for a proxy if I do that
I see some of the infamous "Grey chapter" marines in that game
wait no, they got white pauldrons
Yeah, he paints them slowly. Works at the shop we play at and goes to college at the same time, I don't blame him for them being unready
His entire Devestator squad still has sprue spurs on em
And he used the pauldrons to mark what squad was what. Gold team, white team, blue team, etc
That pose is perfect!!
picks up, eats

Thank you! I took a while thinking how I want it to go. I have realised that the body piece is a fraction too wide due to a bit of poor Fitment, so the top carapace is going to be a tiny bit tricky to properly fit.
I might get a rattlecan of silver because fuck brush painting this skeleton
Yep wouldn’t have got mine done without it
Honestly wouldn’t be able to guess
It’s subtle but would need to just squeeze it in a bit. The lineup with the notches is a tad tricky.
You could try and pinch it in when you put the carapace on? Once on the notches will hold it in place
Looks really good
Last guy done
Guy looks menacing
My Moebians will get some melee support by the Cattlechan Junglefighters. Darktide could use the VT2 Beastmen models as well for some Beastie Boys
My newest beakie boy completed
Also the last pic is an example of me trying to wet blend highlights on large flat areas such as the pauldrons, backpack and head
Niice, love the beak helmets
Thank you I do too. He is my second beakie :3
and a Crimson fist, a fellow bro
Holy shit, that's impressive.
beakies are my favorite marines
Im late but having looked at the polls its gonan be an IF
Yay yellow

nah ive never actually tried a full yellow boi so it will be a learning curve
Contrast is your friend
Dont own yellow contrast
Besides its old school imma do it like the 90s xD
All acrylics
So today i got my single pack from the Warhammer Heroes Series 4... It was brotherVignius... I thought "Meh another Intercessor..." so i grabbed some parts and now i'm kitbashing him to a BT Primaris Captain:
He will have a plasma pistol and a power fist ^^
My army is now tentatively tabletop ready. However, I'm heavily considering swapping my Rievers out for something a little more competitive. One is for sure getting replaced with a unit of Jump Pack Intercessors when those release. The other I'm wanting to replace with a good shooting unit and I'm leaning towards Heavy Intercessors. Thoughts?
honestly looks amazing
Cheers, might have to try the stencils next time freehanding diamonds on a leg is a chore
It certainly looks good
Yup Tomorrow there will be shoulderpads be done, some highlights and washes ^^ after that i'm going back to work on the 2 Missle launcher Marines for my devastor squad.
How do you feel about Heavy Intercessors?
I will get some in the future.. But as BT player i try to focus on the BT units cuz of the synergy ^^ The Primaris Captain kitbash helps me to get enough leaders for my current infantry
I'm looking to replace the rievers that came with my battle force box. I've already decided to replace one with Jump Pack Intercessors when they release
Sounds legit. I have currently too much minis here to do... Half Votann army box, half Votann Boarding Patrol, Hekaton Land Fortress, the Space Marine part of Leviathan box, 3 Cernobite Servitors of Grimaldus, 3 minis that are left of my Devastor squad and then there will be coming another dreadnought and a terminator assault squad....
I want to replace the other with a good shooting unit and I've seen a lot online about how good HI are at holding objectives
So my knights played their first game. 1250pts, and got tabled.
What happened?
The new mini curse strikes again
I was against Votann and made a few blunders. I didn't bring the right level of armor busting, and I held on objectives for too long instead of closing to melee. Then there was chaotic dice and both of us were throwing wild successes and failures.
What LoV setup was there that your knights got bashed?
Sounds like a tense game
I've yet to play but I'm eager to see how my Raven Guard do
Overall I had fun and learned a bunch about playing knights. I lose a lot when I lose a model, so I have to be more protective, but their melee is also really strong, so I should have been more apt to close. I started leading in VP, but couldn't hold after losing my armigers.
The rebalance of Votann was needed, but the stats etc i saw didn't even let me think about beating knights easy
although I didn't kill any of his units at all, it wasn't easy for him, but I did make a vital mistake of bringing more melee and then not closing with it.
what's LoV?
Ah i see... similar thing i had on my 1st battle in 9th Ed against IG... My BT werent close enough for melee so IG shotted me out of space
Leagues of Votaan
Ahh
LoV= Leagues of Votann
BT= Black Templars
IG= Imperial Guard
He had two Hecatons, two Sagitaurs, and two squads, one deep striking. I forget the name of the squad types.
Magna rails did hurt my knights the most, but if I rolled better on my thermal spears and battle cannon, I could've knocked out the Hecatons and changed the game.
I see... Then Hekaton is worth... Sagitaurs are effective with Hearthkyn / Berzerks
yi
I'm gonna go back next week and try swapping out my list for another, and try again. Magnetized models are just so good for that.
^^ yep..
You gonna go shooting heavy?
I did make a friend with my opponent though! And he makes 3d printed bits for the local community so I'm gonna have him print cannon arms so I can have better looking guns instead of floppy barrels.
I will ask my friend if he has time next saturday for another match BT vs. IG but under 10th edition roles... 1k game should be fine
and I could get him to make me chaos knight weapons. Two codices, two games. Lol, lmao even. Full meta proofing.
Thats pretty nice!
1k should be a good game!
Yup.. Will be fun to put Predator Destructor in the 1k list XD
I am thinking of it. If we're gonna do more objective stuff in this narrative campaign, I could change up my armigers and then take one of the questoris with two big guns and another with one melee weapon. Or I could roll four armigers, one questoris.
I do have a castellan, so I could roll four armigers, castellan, it would fit in a 1250pt game
Objective play will be spared for our local group crusade. My friend and i almost playing total annihilation
it would be kinda out of proportion to bring the biggest, dumbest boi possible in such a low point game.
😄
watch that I get imperial guard that time and they just piss rockets on him x.x
It's just that i have to fill my 1k list and 130 pts for a predator is fair
yi, templars have a lot of great options. Have you considered your lord and savior dreadnoughts?
IG is ballistic army so i have to be prepared XD
My dreads are 135 pts XD
ahh
a BT gladiator Lancer is 165 pts
Ballistus dread 150 pts
Best is Deredo Dread with legends rules... 170 pts XD
But now i have enough anti Tank options for playing against IG
will be fun
they gonna tar down your BT with bayonet bois and call artillery down on that pile
my buddy loves to play steel commander and Leman Russ/Rogal Dorns xD
I have a pair of Warsuits that I'm interested in seeing how they fair
Which ones?
Lookin good ^^
My army
Nice 😎
My BT army is currently growing... will take a photo when devastors are ready
berry nize
Thank you
I've heard Heavy Intercessors with an Apothecary Biologis leading them is a nasty combo
Hah, sorry. I'm really caught up on Heavy Intercessors right now
Ah. You can only get the Biologis in the Leviathan box currently
Unless you buy it off someone second hand
Although that does solve my points problem
Couldn't stop painting... fineworks, highlights & shades coming tomorrow.
Very nice
Very happy with the result... First ever Kitbash 😄
I have some questions about getting back into collecting, specifically what army
I heard that you can field Kroot now as their own force? I'm not super into Tau, but Kroot would be sick
I been out since mid 7th ed
From what i shortly fast read, you can field them alone but doesn't make sense cuz they don't have keywords for some rules, what weakens a Kroot only setup.
I think this might help you:
https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379034-the-good-the-bad-and-the-hungry-10th-ed-kroot/
So, the Kroot look pretty solid in 10th so far and I wanted to do a bit of a breakdown of everything we’re working with at the moment. I know points are out tomorrow, but I don’t imagine they are going to shift all that much. So this will be based on the assumption that their points will be relat...
Alright, I'll check it out
very nice!
Thanks. My first Kitbash ever and for that that i wanted to get a Primaris Captain out of the Warhammer Heroes series i now got a BT style Primaris Captain that looks a bit better i think... Some details (purity seals, candles etc.) could be added tomorrow also... i will see how my mood is then
Oh I didn't even realise that the Kroot Farstalkers was being considered its own unit, probably should have since Killteam
Me and my bro's first game with our home terrain
good stuff lol
Looks good how you did use the stuff to get some terrain... many of those things can be converted into proper homemade terrain. On YT there are much tutorials how to make your homebrew/scrap materials terrain 😉
Oh i saw those videos, i'll get around to doing it eventually, I just set this up on the spot
Nice! If you do some of those terrain bits, just show them 😉 i will do some terrain bits soonish too cuz without i have a problem to play properly... some "heavy terrain" is needed ^^
did some work on the stompa today
cleaned the excess spray up, slathered in a black wash to make it appear dirty, then gave it a silver drybrush
im happy how much is going on around the head
Done the Primaris Captain kitbash.
Thanks!
Ooooh I’m working on my Templar lieutenant at the moment
Y'all I need advice
Proxying a regular sorcerer for tsons, went with an orruk weirdboy BC the generic chaos sorcerer is icky
Which head should I use?
First one seems a bit better scale wise and seems more like an actual sorcerer post flesh change
Second one looks more like a Tzeentch daemon but I feel like the design is stronger
First one
Nice! I got one with Neo Volkite Pistol, Shield and Power Sword ^^
unlocalised Blessing descriptions
It is the langauge of the mechanicus
That's heretic scrap code... by the throne sire melk must be purged!
just realized that I posted it in the wrong channel
Hey, i'm having issues with glazing using water. Can you use Lahmian medium instead or is that ill advised?
I assembled half of my fellgors and i fucking hate those couple goats whos body is in 3 parts
What type of issue?
Nothing in specific. Just not getting the results i hope for.
Then yeah, any medium is good
If needed, water down contrast
Not as strong as a base wash but still strong
I wash down flesh tearer red with water to doy custodes cape/plume wash
Do*
what kind of water are you using?
IIRC Lahmian mediumis just winsor and newton glazing medium
so yeah you can use that... If you already have it that is, if you need to go out and buy it, just buy glaze medium, $2~ extra and you get 5x+ more
this is not actually true, just adding in any medium wont work
You have tons of mediums like impasto mediums that will just make it thicker, or quick dry mediums which makes glazing impossible
Am I allowed to rock and stone?
to the bone
For Karl!
Only in death does duty end
I always feel damn proud after I get a 2k point army together.
Looks good!
Thank you!
Still in progress waiting on my krieg heads to come
Correct BT
Truly the most sane and stable sons of Dorn
Exactly
Anyone know how big that new Gitz troggoth is?
Thinking of building a 3rd MVB proxy so I can make a list around it but I think that model might just be too big
eat head
Got some fluorescent paint, and wanted to try it out for a plasma gun
Not sure about the results?
Like it looks okay, but I think I like more regular plasma painting technique
My father’s army of imperial knights
He got 2 more of the smaller ones plus a Dominus pattern one
Good lord
Pretty
Ngl I almost want the vexilla
He has more stuff too
Not just knights
Approx. 20 or so years of 40k minis
Imaaaagine not keeping the flat-ended executioner’s sword xd
What’s the common color of an enginseer’s cloak? Mars red? Or is it something else?
Mephiston/Khorne red
Nahhhhh the flat-tip is way cooler imo. You do you though, it looks good!
I have a new friend
And rattlecan silver
depends on the forgeworld they are from
mars red also means something very specific to me, which is iron oxide red
Forgeworld accatran ever been identified?
as far as I know, they havent
which means...
ANY COLOR YOU WANT
time to go nuts
The last old SM CP in all of the Benelux and its mine
Hm intriguing
yellow and pink pokadots with skulls and waifu stickers
Hm, purple would be different
there you go
They look like they’d give amazing hugs!
Isn’t the old combat patrol just the vanguard strike force with an impulsor
Yes
But i got the box for the price of the new "vanguard strike force"
Very nice
really like the head, its fitting.
Thank you!!
Evan the Executioner is now complete. Inspired by my friend I went and saw in Canda. A colour scheme inspired by Canada's flag and some influence from the big man himself. Also first time I used a small/thin brush and blood for the blood god and both were so good
the blood on the axe is very well done
My love of blood red is over. Blood for the blood god is my new blood paint
The first vs the current
Ooo exciting yours is probably going to look a lot nicer than mine xD
The silly :3
Honestly between the space wolves and various abhumans furries are really the backbone of the imperium
Am i correct, that i can use a firstborn Crusader Squad out of:
2x Initiates with Bolter
1x Initiate with Heavy Bolter
1x Initiate with Plasma Gun
1x Sword Brother with Plasma Pistol & Power Weapon
for 65 points?!
Unbelievable but it's legit... checked all needed rules.. i may field this...
In progress
Nice! Terrain parts?
Getting there slowly
For BT Army?
Yup!
oooh that'll be a good addition
Yep
They consist out of:
1x Sergeant w. Combibolter & Power Fist
2x Marine w. Lascannon
2x Marine w. Missle Launcher
1x Cherub (not really a part of squad xD)
They will be fielded in a Razorback with twin linked lasercannons, hunter killer missle and storm bolter
I’m gonna be building some centurions at some point
Those will be added somtime in the future.. having to much minis atm to do
Yeah that’s fair
I’m currently trying to chunk through my knights
Taking the occasional break between them has been nice
Yep.. i'm currently switching between Templars and Votann
Yeah it’s Templar, custodes and knights for me
but still having to do the Space Marine parts of Leviathan box, 3x cernobite servitors, the last 2 minis of devastors, then a half army box LoV and a half of a boarding patrol LoV as also a hekaton land fortress
Although with this next knight done that’ll be all my current armigers done
Thats nice!
Plan to put three assault centurions in a land raider
Yep for bigger battles this is a good solution
I recently made a 1k list that inclusdes a Land Raider Crusader XD
This is it:
Battle Size: 1. Incursion (1000 Point limit)
Epic Hero [75pts]
The Emperor's Champion [75pts]: Warlord
Character [165pts]
Marshal [90pts]: Plasma Pistol, Witchseeker Bolts [10pts]
Primaris Lieutenant [75pts]
. . Neo-volkite pistol, Master-crafted Power Sword & Storm Shield
Battleline [225pts]
Intercessor Squad [85pts]: Astartes Grenade Launcher
. . Intercessor Sergeant: Bolt Rifle, Close Combat Weapon
. . 4x Intercessors: 4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Bolt Rifle, 4x Close Combat Weapon
Primaris Crusader Squad [140pts]
. . 4x Primaris Initiate w/Bolt Rifle: 4x Bolt Rifle, 4x Close Combat Weapon
. . Primaris Initiate w/Chainsword & Heavy Bolt Pistol
. . 4x Primaris Neophyte w/Firearm: 4x Close Combat Weapon, 4x Neophyte Firearm
. . Primaris Sword Brother: Heavy Bolt Pistol
Infantry [120pts]
Devastator Squad [120pts]
. . Devastator Marine w/ Heavy Weapon: Lascannon
. . Devastator Marine w/ Heavy Weapon: Lascannon
. . Devastator Marine w/ Heavy Weapon: Missile Launcher
. . Devastator Marine w/ Heavy Weapon: Missile Launcher
. . Devastator Sergeant: Combi-weapon, Power Fist
** Vehicle [315pts] **
Black Templars Impulsor [85pts]: 2 Storm Bolters, Bellicatus Missile Array, Ironhail Heavy Stubber
Land Raider Crusader: Multi Melta, Hunter Killer Missle [230pts]
Dedicated Transport [100pts]
Razorback [100pts]: Hunter Killer Missile, Storm Bolter, Twin Lascannon
All Infantry is loaded in the vehicles
I hope that i can defeat my buddy who plays IG with that setup
@rare hornet what u think 'bout this?
That definitely could work, the landraider is a very tough unit
Problem is the only tank destroyers you have are the devastators
And the Razorback 😄
True
The thing is all Devastors and the main weaponry of Razorback works on long range
so while pushing with melee units towards enemy infantry i can flank any "Heavy armor" and since leman russ etc. got nerf in 10th edition towards cannons it should be possible to pass by those heavy armor
additional impulsor has missle array.. can be very annoying when dices are going well
I think i will try out and find out 😄
In people’s experience, what’s been the most enjoyable combat patrol to do: Custodes, Tau, or space marine
Ork is da best. Warboss in Mega Armor tanky. Deffdread tanky. Boyz is Boyz. Deffkoptas for fast Dakka.
yea its the killzone soulshakel bits for boarding actions. waiting on one more kit to have them all
i tried to make a tallarn dessert raider with masking tape for the head wrap
Anyone got experience using nihilak oxide? I wanna try and use it for the runes on my rubrics guns but it seems to want to smear everywhere and I can't get it to flow into the carvings the way tesseract glow does, is there a way to thin it down and have it behave or is it just part of the effect to have the paint smear like crazy?
What am I looking at? There’s nothing there
Guy thinks posting his table is funny 
Not a fan of the gloss, but the colours are really well picked
Love the plasma beaky
There aint any gloss used
Finally finished my Company Master kitbash. Is it good?
very nice
i would probably put agrax on gold but thats probably more custodes thing
is the darker good or should i use bit more light colour
I put reikland fleshshade, first time I put it on gold and I gotta say I'm satisfied.
yeah that works too
The lighting isn't too great in the pic, but from what I can see it looks good. I'd recommend drybrushing it with a lighter colour later.
you making a beastmen army?
Look at some painting guides on YT, They helped me understand what I wanted and how to do it.
maybe ill try the gorthor brown next
Some of my kasarkin boys third time ever painting and first time trying base's came out decent
Damn that's a cute lad
distilled water, do not use tap water with it the majority of the pigments used in it are synthetic beta copper and will have tons of issues if you do. Little bit of alcohol ethoxylate or 2-butoxyethanol to help with the flow(around 1%).
remember, its not designed to flow, its designed to be smeared. you can tell by its thickness.
Love the pose on that one for sure, looks vnice
One space marine Lieutenant model all done
He looks badass. Just wondering, who wears a coat over power armor?
When it gets cold
Fineworks, washes and bases still to do.. cherub will be built soon.
forgot to shake my can of black primer before priming
oh no!
This guy could be the captain from how badass he lookin
Plan to have him become a captain
he's gonna be part of a crusade so I want him to go from lieutenant to captain
Ooo thats tight
agreed brother
i really like the kitbash on the arm
how did you do the sword btw? Did you clip from the top-section of the hand to remove the executioner's blade
That is the executioner's blade
I rounded the tip of the sword
very slowly and carefully with a hobby knife
still sad you didn't keep the flat-tip
it's a real thing - nobles who were being executed would instead be beheaded via a swor dlike that as a status thing
A fair point. But in my case it’s meant to be just a master crafted power sword
it still looks good!
Thank you!!!
I've been looking at terrain
It's so expensive
Official terrain, that is
My sister has access to a mid size 3d printer though, so I might just look into print files
Use solo cups and random shit, thats what me and my bro do lol
Base terrain still to do
Wip
Copper Marine
I lost a couple parts so I had to get creative
Current battle ready Black Templars detatchment
Definitely need to get around to doing mine again
Just happy to have that number already ^^
Next up are the cernobite servitors for grimaldus and the Space Marine forces of Leviathan Box... Think i will continue with Infernus Marines soon
For the Cernobites i need a more creative mood
Yeah I get that
🤣
The Grimaldus i did is kind of an artwork and so the cernobites have to be the same standard but i need to have the right mood to do that
🙃
I got a turntable to show off my minis all fancy like
Nice ^^
So when do you guys think the 10th ed Space Marine Codex is going to drop?
I think October or November. Hoping for October
They're definitely going to get the new models out before Christmas
Im bettin around november
You think that they'll wait that long after Tyranids?
I'm sure plenty of Space Marine players are already chomping at the bit for not just the Codex but the new models
improved my purple
Thassa damn good purple
A good purple indeed. Very regal
Let's sprinkle some xenos into the mix
"Quick! 'eadbusta! Get dat Eldar git!"
if ya dont mind weight too much go to a rock / gravel place and pick some up, got a 10 gallon pail for 10 bucks
(Not my minis, found on Google) I really like this paint scheme and will be trying to copy it for my nids. I was curious if you guys recognize this as a particular hive fleet or if it just looks custom?
I'm thinking my primary colors will be a glossy black carapace and more of a Screaming Skull layered over Rakarth Flesh for the underbody
I guess it could just be some offshoot of Leviathan. I thought they were more bluish though
Those have a very H.R. Giger feel
I know most factions have sub-factions within, I know next to nothing about Tyranids except they are very hongry. Does it matter what color(s) I paint them? If not I was gonna go albino
I think different Hive Fleets have different color patterns
But ultimately, you can paint them as you wish
Cool tip I learned from a friend Cawdor gang models make great alternative preacher models for astra militarum and adeptus sororitas for variety
That’s my random fact of the day
Yea like mechapaladin said, there are subfactions but ultimately it's up to you, if one scheme has orange but you vibe harder with purple, you fukken paint it purple baybee
It ain’t much, But work has begun on the big girl
Sorcerer in terminator armour for tsons
Big and Chonky
Her cannon arm fell off when she popped out the paint bracket I had, luckily I glued it back on before priming
Lucky save there
Starting my second smol knight tonight
I’m just glad I prime outside and she fell on grass, the concrete of garage floor would not be as kind
And nearly finished this guy yesterday
If a custodes fails their armor save their aegis rule doesn't let them use the feel no pain on all saves right? Its just on saves that are mortal wounds. They can't just spam it everytime they lose a wound?
More OG Stormtroopers:
I had a battle with custodes and my shots just did nothing. Was super frustrating
It should say in their rules
In 10th the aegis of the emperor rules states it’s against mortal wounds only
The exception to this are custodies wardens who get a once per game ability to give themself 4+ feel no pain against any wound for a single phase
I recall him rolling his armor saves and then feel no pain on the ones he failed
Then they my friend, were cheating!
Yeah i looked it up just really annoyed now
Man that makes me sad as a golden boy fanatic
Especially because of the devastating wound changes
That rule does nothing against it
Im just not gonna go against this guy anymore. Its allready hard enough wounding them with their toughness against lasgun shots. My plasma shots missed a lot.. but him with feel no pain on everything just made me have a bad day.
They have always been a good army. Why cheat with em.
Did the custodes have robes?
They only get that once per game though?
Yee one phase per game
Absolutely amazing lifeline in a pinch
And I suspect with the changes to devastating wounds they may see more use?
Oh it's brutal how good it is
I've only managed 5 games of 10th. Every time the wardens just laugh things off
Well because devastating wounds aren’t mortal wounds now aegis won’t come into play against them
I dont remember but like everytime i tried something he would do a strategem or ability. Destroyed my executioner tank with some katah that let him have 12 damage . 6 attack with 3damage
Highest dmg stode weapon is 3 pretty sure. In melee that is
Yeah it was melee
Going against them x2 on my very first battles weren't fun
I think my list was sound though i took a lot of plasma
I'm sorry, that's rough.
Lol no worries.
Doesn’t help they cheated about the FNP
For real just makes me salty as fuck
They’re already super tanky
Wasted the day basically
Feels bad about the tank though, like custodes only have like ap-2 so it would have been like a 4+ for the russ
I'm shelfing mine for a bit to play my brain dead world eaters list
I said ‘like’ way to too many times there
Dont like worry 😉
9th Ed superiority
Mwahahaha
😁
Im liking 10th. Our middle of nowhere crowd grew pretty big so I wanna play something less tanky
Doing a narrative crusade in 9th so that’s been fun
Although I forgot how rough knights had it in 9th
Our store is having a nid vs marines apoc game soon. Gonna be a narrative thing
Oooh that’ll be cool
I hope so. Basing it off the story of leviathan so far
The biggest weakness to knight armies, the terrain
How are they still making votann models
Oooooh fuck that looks cash
Hell yeah, I’m gonna try my hand at painting them all with albinism after I finish the SM side of Leviathan
Some interesting stuff
Also, one of the free models for the Warhammer+ sub
'spose this will do for the base
This model confuses me and I don't know why
how come 😄
It looks like the pose that old reavers had
ye it was remotely inspired by the old reaver art work, didn't use it as an example per se but the memory how it looked
turned pretty close
Looks very dynamic and ,dare I say, heroic
Imposing would also be another good descriptor
Cheers, will probably add some tiny marines to it as well
They have those?
that is a giant purity seal, i wonder how big the stamp for the wax was
It's gotta be some giant machine with a pneumatic stamp
I wonder why the old terrain is only made to order.
I've decided that my next unit is going to be Heavy Intercessors
Lamenters are known to use shock assault tactics w/ heavy usage of Thunder hawk gunships. How would that translate to the tabletop in a fluffy list?
Melee units, melee units everywhere
Assault Intercessors, Bladeguard Veterans
Assault Terminators
Assault Centurions if you're feeling real froggy
First squad of my new colour scheme done. They are called the Sethian Serpents, an Alpha Legion Warband led by Lord Yaldabaoth
Can somebody explain to me what chaos trim is
Does it just mean that edge highlighting on chaos minis is really hard?
Chaos trim are just the raised edges on the side of the armor panels. The brass coloured areas, if you look at my pictures above, are considered chaos trim
I assume they’re very hard to do
Really nice painting. Well done!
Thank you!
Nothing can be worse than hazard stripes + Unsteady hand
True lol
How many characters would you include (lieutenants captains etc)
Bladeguard Lieutenant and a Terminator Captain
For sure
A Librarian would also be a good addition
A Primaris Librarian you could stick with an Assault Intercessor squad
Current Battlescribe has good explanations to any unit in 10th edition
Gonna include at least one stormraven gunship for flavor too. Would two be too much?
Depends on Battle size. Also u may use 3 of each unit in your army roster. exception is battleline with 6x unit
Yep I know that much, meant like more of: is that too many points per model for a 2k pt list (255 pts is quite a bit)
Just look it's stats up and what abilities the unit has, if u have a similar unit and that one is cheaper i would recommend the cheaper one...
Example:
Venerable Dreadnougt vs. Dreadnought
165 pts vs. 135 pts
Abilities and stats are nearly the same
so i just use dreads
Frankly, I'm pretty new to tabletop, so I'm just spitballing for the most part
I do know that Blood Angels and their successors get a melee buff
A couple of Vehicles are usually a good idea

I casually play against Black Templar player
Only vehicle he has is an Impulsor or Gladiator (sometimes both)
What BT without a Land Raider Crusader? Or Razorback?!
My Vehicles are a pair of Invictor warsuits
I have a 1k List with Anti Vehicle options where a Land Raider Crusader is listed XD
My vehicles are Maulerfiends and Chaos Vindicators (at least I want them) 
If I start building a 2k army, my first new Vehicle is going to be a Thunderstrike Storm Speeder
Maulerfiends - funny creature (daemon engine) with 14 Strength in Melee , Vindicators - Demolisher cannon with decent base.
In my 2 k lists a bit more Dreads and tanks as also infantry is included
also some deep strike options
I use a pack Daemonets and a Trancweaver
For a deep strike 
Terminators.. XD
I'm a Raven Guard player. I got Deep Strike on units that shouldn't be able to Deep Strike
Invictor stats
Chaos has decent Terminators (free to Hit re-rolls)
How much in points?
Can also use oath of moment to re roll my hits.. And BT and their Leaders and stratagems are quite nice ^^
150
Decent choice
Would use twin ironhail autocannon
If it can also support infantry could be very good
Ballistus Dread is also 150 pts
Re-roll hit tolls and wounds rolls for 1 unit with Chaos Undivided mark - CP 
But I can also spread it around units with my Chaos Lords
Only hesitation I have is lamenters are codex compliant so dunno if that’d have an affect on it
Ye i know. But my BT are zealous AF so i just try to keep objectives and kill as much as i can
Scout 8” sheehs
But scout8 is nice


