40k-minis-and-armies

[plush swift]

so... turns out no one thinks gold leaf or tmm is impressive when good gold leaf is actually incredibly hard

plus you need agate burnishers which are... $60+ each

[unkempt iris]

Its all they have

[sterile grail]

nmm follows the comical style (boderland style) while tmm follows a more authentic modeling style

its kinda like trying to make a 2d effect 3d, in a 3d model which is crazy to think about

[unkempt iris]

If I get into tabletop I would not paint my minis purely out of spite for people that tell you how to paint

[sterile grail]

yeah paint them how you like it is the best apparoach

only your style is your own mastery

[plush swift]

borderlands style is actually not comic style, its something called voxel shading ircc

[sterile grail]

yeah, i just call it informally because im uncultured

[plush swift]

thats the fact of art, but unfortunately I have to copy the richard grey style exactly

[unkempt iris]

Best way to piss off everyone equally

[plush swift]

I posted one richard grey style peice and I got 60 commissions, I posted something that was just a perfect replica of what it would be in real life, I got hate mail

[unkempt iris]

The unpainted

[unkempt iris]

Ah the life of an artist

[plush swift]

yeah fucking sucks.. anyways that was 4 hours of time wasted, w/e Ive gone worse

[edgy jackal]

NMM is the kind of thing that looks hard to do and seems more impressive than just using metallic paints to people with little artistic skill/experience (speaking from my personal perspective on this).

[sterile grail]

remember van gough died not knowing it. Art is in the eye of the beholder

[sterile grail]

Nmm sure does pops alot and catches the eye

[plush swift]

(its just layering and using a retarder to blend it on occasion)

and gasp mixing come colors

[edgy jackal]

Not only, you actually have to understand how a metallic object reflects light (to a certain degree), which is beyond what most people learn in grade school art class.

[plush swift]

just look at a metal cup

then shine a light on it

and a metal plate

do people not understand reference models?

[sterile grail]

i usually think understanding light is intuitive for everyone.

[plush swift]

i dont watch mini painter youtubers, do they never talk about references?

[edgy jackal]

Remember, we're talking about people who start at the level of "thin your paints". Some people really need time to be able to visualize and recreate natural phenomena.

[sterile grail]

they do, they give advices like that often

[plush swift]

thats a start

[plush swift]

man, I get frustrated when people tell me "no one mixes their own colors, there isnt a point when you can buy one"

like why even bother asking for advice when thats literally the best advice one can give

[plush swift]

Ive seen their color theory ones and they didnt even get the basics correct...

[sterile grail]

thats when you know he doesn't shade and blend. Even if he do, poor guy, its going to be hard on him.

[celest zealot]

People complain about true metallics??? That's so fucking stupid

[plush swift]

oh they riot when TMM wins slayer sword

[celest zealot]

Cope seethe and mald I guess

[plush swift]

like they will actually go out and harass the painter for bribing the judges

[celest zealot]

That doesn't surprise me

[sterile grail]

that is so childish

and petty

[celest zealot]

Nmm painters have such a superiority complex

[plush swift]

Yes, I literally have 40 DMs from painting the knights in TMM that were death threats

[celest zealot]

Wait actually

[plush swift]

this is why I can seem so ungodly agressive about paints

[celest zealot]

No shot

[sterile grail]

that is sad bro

[celest zealot]

I mean I just don't share my models very often

[plush swift]

I'm a literal doctor of art and I'm getting told what art is

[sterile grail]

those people are SAD

[celest zealot]

I like painting grimdark

Or like

Grittier stuff

So I don't do nmm

But I guess I'm "not a REAL artist" or whatever lmfao

[sterile grail]

how fucked up can you be to send death threats over paint

[celest zealot]

They can cope

[plush swift]

grimdark is weird because its not actually an art style so there isnt a real definition for it, however I have enough push within the art scene to make it one

[celest zealot]

Warhammer fans are kinda fucked up a lot of the time

Especially the ones who take themselves too serious

[sterile grail]

they dont represent us

we the real ones

[celest zealot]

They act like they do which is sad

[sterile grail]

real WH fans supports everyone to get into the game.

[plush swift]

the war hammer community is just sad as a whole

[celest zealot]

That's what I like about it, its definitions is very loose so I can do a lot of stuff with it

[errant fulcrum]

Some cool photos I got of my friends salamanders vs another friends nids using 10th ed rules.

[celest zealot]

That's why I do it as a hobby and don't interact with them a lot

[celest zealot]

I LOVE those bugs

[sterile grail]

I have yet to interact with any WH players outside social media. I really do not wish to meet people like those in a future game.

[celest zealot]

I went to an lgs for a tournament once and got called a slur so like never again

[plush swift]

at the same time, just putting on agrax is considered grimdark, so having an actual defined style can help with the over all appeal of it and actually make it something seen within fine art, because we do want fine art to enter here, it'll force companies to improve

[sterile grail]

🥲

[errant fulcrum]

I also fought deathguard with my black templars and won by charging a plauge burst crawler and killing it with nothing but chainswords. BT go hard in 10th

[celest zealot]

I disagree personally I think it takes a lot more than just shading

[plush swift]

I get called slurs all the time, I'm hellenic and I have to deal with turkish people daily

[plush swift]

Thats the problem, most just think agrax or streaking grime and thats grim dark

hence

[celest zealot]

I'm just trans so idk lol

[plush swift]

having a defined style will help

[plush swift]

I can see that as a little different

aka a lot

[celest zealot]

Still no reason to call me slurs

[celest zealot]

Wdym by that

Like different from your experience, yeah

[plush swift]

Oh no, I mean being called slurs for being trans is worse than being called slurs by turkish people as a greek

[celest zealot]

OH

Yeah

Apologies for misunderstanding

[plush swift]

yeah, I dont understand those people at all anywyas

[celest zealot]

I don't let it get to me anymore

It's mostly loser lifeless Incels doing it

[plush swift]

like one of the admins in my server is trans and I find her invaluable for weeding out those who we wouldnt want there

[celest zealot]

And ppl who think the Imperium are the good guys

[celest zealot]

We need more ppl like that

[plush swift]

I know several servers you'd love if you were interested in military history

[celest zealot]

Not my cup of tea

Ty though

[plush swift]

Its not everyones

they are just unique things out there

[celest zealot]

Mhm

Most of the servers I'm in nowadays are Homestuck related or private servers for my friends

[plush swift]

most im in are 40k related, D&D, or things for scale modeling

anyways on the topic of paint

tuner metallic acryligouache is goated

current the best metallic paint I have found for golds

and this is after trying over 60 brands

I still have 120 more products to test

[upbeat carbon]

Anyone looking at the data cards?
I am disappointed Rogue Traders can no longer hitch a ride, although they do gain the ability to infiltrate…

[celest zealot]

I personally like my AK interactive and Vallejo metals, but Vallejo old gold is goated too

[plush swift]

I cant ethically use AK these days after the whole holocause thing, but Vallejo metal colors scored a D grade in my testing, their normal line scored an F

[celest zealot]

Wait I'm sorry what now

[plush swift]

the particle size was way too big for mica

[celest zealot]

Did I miss something

[plush swift]

Yeah, vallejo metals color air paints arent that great, way better than most hobby metallics though

[celest zealot]

Yeah

I love the metal colors

[plush swift]

Or the AK thing?

[celest zealot]

The AK thing

[plush swift]

the AK thing was they did thing called the human atrocities campaign which was an inscrutional book on how to make a drowning child diorama, a gas chamber, a few different more recent genocides, etc. The major issue was the holocaust footage including the mass graves

[celest zealot]

Oh SHIT thats fucking awful

[plush swift]

they basically said "get over it, stop being offended"

but did it in 40 sentences

[celest zealot]

Who the fuck gave that the OK

Jesus

[plush swift]

The head of the company

[celest zealot]

Ugh

[plush swift]

whos a well known bigot within the scale modeling community

[celest zealot]

That would do it

[plush swift]

the only one whos worse is Mig

[celest zealot]

So I've heard

I knew about the Mig shit

Never about ak

[plush swift]

AK is a mess

[celest zealot]

Yeah

[plush swift]

the company as a whole is terrible

their paints are actually still very low grade paints, hobbiests just hype them up heavily

[celest zealot]

I love being a minority in a hobby populated by so many literal Nazis <3

[celest zealot]

Fair, I mostly use them and Vallejo because they're same price if not cheaper than citadel and so much better, but I'm not buying any more AK that's for sure

[plush swift]

this is professional grade paint btw

most of it is ink like

[celest zealot]

I don't really use anything professional grade

Mostly because I think it'd be wasted on me

But I do really good with the paints I have

[plush swift]

it wouldnt be honestly

[celest zealot]

I mean I guess I more mean I feel like I don't NEED them

[plush swift]

i just see it as a cost saving measure

its either doing a lot of painting, or you need more pure colors for mixing

118ml bottle for $11 isnt bad

[celest zealot]

I don't make every model an art piece but I still put in enough effort to make them look better than the average model I see on the table

[celest zealot]

Fair enough

[plush swift]

yeah I use the paint for work too

so it equals out

so i dont pay for paint because its a work expense

so I get to toy with fun colors like cobalt teal

[celest zealot]

I don't really do art outside of Warhammer

Though I don't know if you can call my minis art

They look good though

Or good enough at least

[plush swift]

do you enjoy the process and strive to get them to look as good as possible?

as good as your abilities can make them?

[celest zealot]

I like the process but I can't say I made each one an art piece, but I strike a good balance between effort and time

[plush swift]

well then its still art

art is really about the amount of care you put into it

[celest zealot]

I know

And I think mine are good

[plush swift]

even with a balance of time and effort

well its still art

[celest zealot]

My chaos are a good example of this balance

I'm happy with them

I used Vallejo pigment powder for the dust on their boots, greaves, tabards, etc.

It's a small step but it elevates them

[mental jolt]

I'd say it grounds them, but y'know

[celest zealot]

Oh youuuuuu

[mental jolt]

oh yeah, @plush swift , speaking of paints, you wanna see something that's (most likely) really funny?

[sweet sinew]

2 extra images so you can see the extra decals I applied. I detest decals but I’m trying to get better

[mental jolt]

it's a practice thing, looks like you did a decent job applying them though

[sweet sinew]

It’s much easier with vehicles I’ve noticed

I kinda went all out with my predator tank, but that’s different because bigger surface areas are less rage inducing

[plush swift]

yes

[mental jolt]

mind if I dm you a link then? It's a KS that set of my bs meter

[plush swift]

yeah go ahead

[mental jolt]

sent

[rare hornet]

I love them!!

[celest zealot]

Thank you!!!

[simple agate]

I need some advice on NMM it to me personally doesn't give me that metal look, just looks like a super white gradient

[plush swift]

you need acrylic retarder and to do wet on wet blending with it

it'll just look like a white gradient if you do layering

[simple agate]

yeah that makes sense, retarder as in medium or thinner??

[plush swift]

neither

its literalyl just called retarder

[simple agate]

oh damn, ill sus it out

OH

it took me a second, yeah keeps the paint wet for longer

[plush swift]

it helps a ton

dont use the hobby ones, they tend to not work well and cause flaking after a few years

[simple agate]

yeah skits ill check out the next time ive got a day off the hardware store might have some i could test with

[plush swift]

art store, hardware store if good for things for oil, not acrylic

the best you'll find is latex additives, and thats really not something that reacts will with hobby paint

the hobby paint has too many additives in them

[simple agate]

would something like this work?

[plush swift]

yes

[simple agate]

skitsssss i reckn thats what ive been missing i remember AGESSS ago i tried loaded brush but it was tedious, this might actully help with my blending too haha

[plush swift]

loaded brush I found to be insanely hard to do with hobby paints because of all the chalk in them

[simple agate]

ill try and do a gold and see if i can make that more believable, ive got plenty of swords to mess with

[plush swift]

just remember, its not a thinner. its the same viscosity as most fluid acrylics, somethings a little thicker

however, the additional drying time will remove brush strokes

[simple agate]

The left pad looks spiffy, the right imma dry and re do

[simple agate]

Yeah too easy I'll definitely practise on spares

[plush swift]

btw, the ultracryl paints use a lot of very toxic materials, despite them saying they have none

[mental jolt]

Nonmetallic is a difficult technique to get right, in fairness. The best tip is to be consistent in light placement and to ensure you have enough contrast. Doing good nmm with a pure black/white gradient is gonna be difficult to pull off, more so than if you have a colour to work with, at least in my experience.

Also, unless you're in the absolute top % of painters it likely won't look like real metal. It takes a lot of work to get it looking realistic, and quite a lot of knowledge, so a question to you would be what effect you're after.

[brisk vapor]

I like to dab in some light blueish grey in there when I'm working on silver NMM so it doesn't look as flat, also makes it easier to make it look believable than just black and white gradient. With some extra work adding some bounce lights to it from nearby surfaces will sell it even better

[toxic rampart]

My eldest child and I put this together 5 years ago. They lost interest soon after. My middle child (who is 6 now) wanted me to paint her. Slow progress, but wanted to share.

[brisk vapor]

Awesome!

[mental jolt]

Even slow progress is progress.

[toxic rampart]

I'm going to take my Gundam line pens and outline her wings a bit. If the pen holds up, I will write on the holy scriptures

[mental jolt]

Sounds like a plan.

[celest zealot]

Making great progress on my terminators, I just need to wait for the martian iron Earth to dry before I put the pigment on, then hit it with a coat of matte varnish

Once THAT'S dry I can hit the eyes, gems, and plasma gun with gloss varnish

Then I'm done

Here they are so far

[toxic rampart]

They look good

[celest zealot]

Ty ty

I think I'll work on my helbrute or daemon prince next

VERY excited for the daemon prince

[celest zealot]

Termies are done

The legion grows every day

(I'll be painting a helbrute tomorrow probably)

[coarse badger]

I'm looking into troll trader to see if I can order models

[celest zealot]

Oooh nice nice

Try ebay as well

Or Etsy if you don't care about official stuff

[coarse badger]

Ebay does not accept cards from my country

Apparently anyway

[celest zealot]

Damnn

Unfortunate

[coarse badger]

Some other shops I emailed said that GW crap specifically can't be shipped

[celest zealot]

Agony

[coarse badger]

I can get paints from the closest thing i have to an LGS

And a very limited set of models

[celest zealot]

Try Etsy

Trust me

Usually cheaper anyway

[plush swift]

If its russia you're going to have a hard time getting anything from other countries, the majority of shipments to there have ceased. Syria is a similar story

[coarse badger]

No thankfully it's only the balkans

But like, the one part that isn't Union

Wether the status quo will change or not is beyond my knowledge, but if it does I'll ironically have an easier time getting models

[plush swift]

that one I wouldnt know at all as I dont accknowledge the balkans due to reasons... and my family is technically from there

[coarse badger]

I know GW ships to all the union countries here, at least the EU option gives options for that

"Rest of world" just breaks for me though

[plush swift]

yeah thats always a rough thing

[coarse badger]

And as said before some stores don't ship Warhammer to here specifically

[plush swift]

Well stores cant ship to other countries

[coarse badger]

Very strange and confusing, shipping tab is vague and the model community is near nonexistent so not a lot of peers to ask

[plush swift]

so its a bit tricky

The model community with in that entire region is small to be fair,

[coarse badger]

There's exactly one club in the entire country, but from what I can tell they get by on bulk sales when someone goes abroad and gets stuff(and they majorly sell on some sort of old early 2000s forum site)

[plush swift]

i need to find this store

it sounds hilarious

[coarse badger]

It's called "Club Dragon"

Buried somewhere in Belgrade, which I will not go near

[celest zealot]

yeah, only other guy i ever knew from there basically scratch built an entire Ork army out of legos, boxes, cardboard, you name it

shame that he was so talented considering he ended up being a pedo and a fash but even still

[coarse badger]

Sounds about right

[celest zealot]

funny how fate wastes skills like that

[celest zealot]

yeahhhhhh

chaser too if memory serves

worst combo ever

[coarse badger]

I'm unusually tolerant despite the stereotype at least

Also this is the site

Looks worse on PC

[celest zealot]

needle in a haystack, that

[celest zealot]

why does it look like battlescribe.

why does it look like fucking battlescribe.

[plush swift]

omg, the store looks like its ran in someones basement too

[celest zealot]

aye

[coarse badger]

[plush swift]

it is literally run out of someones apartment, this is great

I have to go there

[coarse badger]

If the guy lives there I wonder why he didn't respond to my damn email lmao

But yeah hopefully troll trader works out

[plush swift]

troll trader should

also you are part of europe

[coarse badger]

But not the Union, is the thing

[plush swift]

ahh its a candidate country

[coarse badger]

With neighbours that don't like us

And also mounting pressure in the south but that's not for this chat

Going to get some guard or marines if possible

[mental jolt]

Hopefully you'll be able to get your minis, geopolitics aside.
The GW thing is due to GW policy (assuming it's not changed), the stores legally can't sell their products to other regions. :|

[coarse badger]

Just a basic scheme to gauge whether I like it or not

[coarse badger]

Ah, and there's no GW stores in country, so GW themselves can't ship?

There used to be a store across the border I could've easily gotten to but it shut down about when I found out about it

[mental jolt]

They might be able to ship if you go via their website, I don't know as the only person I know with ties to your country doesn't live there.

Ouch

[coarse badger]

Considering how people get models(from what I can tell) it's probably the case

Though they could also just be very stupid and scared of online stuff

[mental jolt]

Well, gw do have an online store, and they do ship to regular addresses. I just don't know how restrictive they are when shipping to "rest of world" as my country is listed

[coarse badger]

Mine is as well

But that's about where it stops working

I can add things to my cart, but then I can't remove them or checkout

[mental jolt]

Strange

[coarse badger]

It also lists countries that no longer exist so that's another thing

[mental jolt]

Oh, no, I meant I can choose my country instead of "rest of world"

[coarse badger]

Oh I think AUS/UK and US can do that right?

I forget exactly

Oh and Japan

[mental jolt]

And some EU countries

There's a bunch, point is, I don't know how it's supposed to work when ordering from the "rest of world" site.

Sadly

[coarse badger]

Yeah resources for it are

Literally nonexistent as far as I've found

[celest zealot]

Good stuff

Love mechanicum models tbh

[midnight locust]

Any suggestions on painting the gold lenses on kasrkin helmets?

[teal wolf]

Yooo I love the green

[static lagoon]

boutta get my first model(s)
which should I pick

should I get thousand sons (rubric marines) which is the first faction I liked
world eaters (khorne berzerkers) which I think are really cool, khorne is my favorite chaos god and I love the warchants
alpha legion which is my favorite space marine legion and I would just get some models to paint them in their paint scheme and if so which models would be good to do this for (must be around $50)

[celest zealot]

I'm considering stripping and repainting my AdMech for the 3rd time

Only trouble is I don't know if the primer will come off

[edgy jackal]

Combat patrols are always good to consider if you want value for money.

[coarse badger]

We're in business gamers

[jaunty trail]

Context? Don't get what it's about...

[coarse badger]

If you scroll up a bit you'll see a long Convo about shipping

In short I finally found a 3rd party that ships to here

[edgy jackal]

So, concerning air quality/safety, (say when airbrushing or working with epoxies) what do you do as a bearded hobbyist? Halfmasks with filters have greatly reduced effectiveness, and overpressure systems are clunky and potentially expensive.

Just work on a balcony or garage?

[plush swift]

Half face mask works for me

just tuck it in

the risk from having a beard if minimal at best

[coarse badger]

Now to see what sort of taxes I can expect

[plush swift]

there was testing in gas chambers not too long ago that proved that beards dont really prevent a gas mask from sealing completely

[edgy jackal]

Not what I read on certain ppe sites, the most common advice is to shave daily for underpressure systems like half masks.

[midnight locust]

Any suggestions on how to shade gold lenses on kasrkin helmets?

[jaunty trail]

shall they look dirty or in which direction it should go?

[plush swift]

thats because its easier to promote that than the other because its more new research into it

[plush swift]

orange

[midnight locust]

Cleaner

[midnight locust]

Gotcha

[plush swift]

not a vibrant one, a more muted one

[jaunty trail]

also would recommend this then.

[plush swift]

quinacridone burnt orange into a quinacridone gold would be great but thats not something you'd have

[midnight locust]

Yeah I’m kinda limited in that regard; I usually run on citadel paints but have been working to expand into other brands as I can get them.

[plush swift]

all of the stuff I talk about is exclusive to professional lines too

[simple agate]

Gold lenses??? Im not sure exactly what paint you could use but Xv-88 with a little bit of white -> yeril sunset??? Might do the trick if the lenses are a orange/yellow colour

Edit- I miss read the question;p something like agrax would shade but I'd say use it sparingly with larmihum medium > I reckn rhinox hide as the base then xv-88 as a layer but you would only put it on one side as a reflection

[floral wind]

Forgot to crop the images

[simple agate]

Look at the little fellow!!! This looks awesome!!

[coarse badger]

Soon hopefully

[tiny jay]

The British and US army both did extensive tests and proved that a beard doesn't cause an issue with mask fitment. its just largely not been picked up on because they want to maintain grooming standards etc.

[brisk vapor]

you can also test the fit by blocking the filter with your hand and blowing with your mouth

I have a beard and a mask blocks well enough

[plush swift]

so I did a review on those paint sets, and they actually use a weirdly deceptive thing with them, they use warm toned primaries, which means you cant actually mix colors well, cementing this perception that colors are hard to mix

its honestly a genius move on their end

@brisk vapor what colors are used for NMM gold for hobby paint? Someone asked me to translate them into single pigment because I'm pretty sure you guys dont use nickel azo yellow

if that is the case... oh boy do we have a new thing to report to the EU regulatory board

I should say, which do you use specifically

[brisk vapor]

my goto at the moment are vallejo game colour sun yellow, moon yellow and leather brown

and uhh

citadel pallid wych flesh for the birghtest highlights

moon yellow if I want colder tones and sun yellow for warmer

I keep the yellows pretty minimal though

[coarse badger]

I can get other paints, the set is cheap though and I want to try it out to be sure

[plush swift]

so hanza light, hanza medium and iron oxide brown, with a warm tone grey. Thanks

[brisk vapor]

No problem

[plush swift]

Yeah Im so used to the nickle azo yellow method it excapes me

[plush swift]

its not a bad thing honestly, its a small investment to see if you are into the whole thing

[coarse badger]

That's the idea

[brisk vapor]

This is how it looks on the models

[plush swift]

yeah my version is more bright and closer to real gold, its not honestly that much different

[brisk vapor]

yeah real gold often reads a bit too bright to my liking in this scale

[plush swift]

I do a lot of hard core black, like my entire army is aniline black aka jet black, so i like the super bright gold as contrast

I just really like aniline black, plus I have a ton of it and its a deadly pigment too, which makes it extra fun for me

[brisk vapor]

Yeah I can see that working

[coarse badger]

If I like it I'll either save up for guard or my own colour scheme for marines

[plush swift]

most of those examples are heavy into the yellow ochre/yellow oxide too

so that makes things simple

[brisk vapor]

I haven't done much black but when I do I like to tune it to more blueish grey side

[plush swift]

I'm currently on a huge PBk31 Perylene green kick, its a single pigment transparent green that reads as black

its just really different

[coarse badger]

Just need to figure out the paints I need

[brisk vapor]

that would probably work really well for the new lion model 😄

[plush swift]

thats carbon black, iron oxide red, silver, gold, white and some light grey

[plush swift]

very much so

[coarse badger]

[plush swift]

more specifically thats in the range of violet oxide/mars violet/caput mortuum

caput mortuum is god tier red

[coarse badger]

Looks like the Flesh Tearers' red

Do love my darker shades

[mental jolt]

We showing off nmm? That looks good.

I'm not super happy with mine, but it was a practice piece.

[plush swift]

this is violet oxide

[brisk vapor]

Want to gush about these again for a bit but I just really liked working on black when it isn't just pure black

[brisk vapor]

That's great!

[coarse badger]

I like

[plush swift]

its also a series 1, which means absolutely dirt cheap

like $11usd~ for a 118ml

compared to my normal paints which are $30-400 for a 40ml, thats a bargin

[coarse badger]

What companies sell those

[mental jolt]

I heard some interesting things about painting black with a mix of two complementary colours. Might've been chromatic black? Supposedly makes it way easier to highlight without going into grey

[plush swift]

most professional ones, keep in mind I dont know hobby companies very well. Golden Fluid acrylic is the one posted above though

[coarse badger]

I'll see if I can find a similar red for Vallejo

[mental jolt]

if you just want to pick up a set of hobby paints to learn with go vallejo or gw, for all their faults they're relatively easy to use

[plush swift]

their artist line has it, their hobby line, not so much last I checked

[coarse badger]

[mental jolt]

you don't need super expensive paints to begin with, you're learning to paint anyway

[plush swift]

they dont use that many iron oxide pigments because hobbiests tend to use vortex mixers which those dont work on since they are magnetic

[mental jolt]

you don't need fancy brushes either, not in the beginning at least

[plush swift]

which a few exceptions like white and yellows

[mental jolt]

yellows you can just base with a bright brown or orange, it'll work well enough, white...

[coarse badger]

I'll just have to find an easier way to base paint

[plush swift]

yeah that can be a mixture of things like pv23r and pg7, depends on the company

[mental jolt]

yeah, you got me on the white

[coarse badger]

Because that tiny brush just won't do it lmao

[plush swift]

🙂

[coarse badger]

GW whites are what

[mental jolt]

if you have an art store nearby, pick up a 1/4" synthetic, it's cheap and can take some amount of abuse

[plush swift]

just straight up, either use professional grade white ink or white paint

[coarse badger]

Corvus and White Scar?

And both are notoriously crap iirc

[plush swift]

both are notoriously finicky to use

[coarse badger]

And have a tendency to become mush

[plush swift]

I know how to use them, i choose not to because I like my free time

[coarse badger]

I wish

[brisk vapor]

I use prethinned vallejo air white, which probably isn't the highest quality but you often need so little of it it doesn't really matter and it being prethinned doesn't make it all glumpy if you let is sit for a good minute

model air white to be precise

[coarse badger]

The most I'll need white for is helmets, the aquilas, and gunz

[mental jolt]

no scrapbooking or hobby stores? something about the width of your pinky nail at most, if it's flat, a round you'd want less than that

[coarse badger]

None

[brisk vapor]

when a larger piece is entirely white I often just start with a good grey and work from there with thin coats of ulthuan grey of similar

[coarse badger]

Was thinking of ulthuan yeah

The blue tone might help with silver and contrast

[mental jolt]

somewhere that sells children's paint sets, the shitty pots with plastic brushed? it'll be a bit difficult to get a completely clean result, but should work out if you're careful.

[coarse badger]

[mental jolt]

or just paint straight onto the plastic, it will work mostly well

[coarse badger]

Nothing of the sort

[plush swift]

I bought a 16oz of golden high flow white last week... I have 3oz left

[coarse badger]

Know a guy that works with paints but

[plush swift]

I need to buy a gallon of it

[coarse badger]

I don't think painting houses translates to plastic miniatures

[plush swift]

actually it does

[coarse badger]

[plush swift]

most mini paints are chemically identical

[coarse badger]

I will message him immediately

[mental jolt]

not in terms of brushes used, unless maybe if it's interior

[plush swift]

they are just missing one additive

[coarse badger]

I think he sells spray on primers

At least he understood the terminology

I'll check again

[plush swift]

you can use those, just make sure they dont contain kaolin

[brisk vapor]

took a second to find a pic but these are primarily Ulthuan Grey

pure white as thin edge highlights

[plush swift]

I need to get more bottles to make some pre mixed greys

[coarse badger]

I'll go rewatch some Duncan videos to shore up my knowledge

[mental jolt]

with spray on primers, make sure it's not a filler primer, the results will be manmade horrors beyond human comprehension

[coarse badger]

I'll be sure to double check with you guys

[plush swift]

I ordered some new paint again... dont worry this time I only spend $180

excited

its a bunch of metallics from different brands for testing

all of them are gold

[teal wolf]

Gold you say 👀

[plush swift]

I'm trying to find a gold that fits my needs and requirements, if this does then its the best gold paint on the market

[plush swift]

yes, currently the leader is Turner Acryligouache

[teal wolf]

With a crippling custodes addiction
I'm always after new golds

[plush swift]

This one is an acrylic water color, so it can easily be thinned down

and its not water reactivated

so far two of them have passed

I bought a third one

if this one passes, i'm going to be happy

[teal wolf]

I've been wanting to get my fingers on the scale 75 gold sets

[plush swift]

Those actually failed

[teal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-exterminatus-explode-gif-16225998

[plush swift]

they looked nice, but when i put them into the accelerator, they flaked off after about 3 months in there

[teal wolf]

May I stuff my head in the accelerator?

[plush swift]

which is a bad thing

You'd get skin cancer

the gold from them also suffered the same problem as most other golds, random rainbow pigments

it scored an over all C ranking, which is higher than most gold paints

lascaux studio bronze got lower A and thats the second highest rated

[teal wolf]

Just trying to creep away from citadel and vote with my wallet

[plush swift]

I am venturing deep into this

Next is enamels for testing

what I want is one that gives me the most realisitc gold

Currently nothing beats gold leaf

[teal wolf]

How can I get a crispy candy red for fw stodes

[plush swift]

Oh thats easy, so take a silver base, then this is where the professional stuff comes in, get something like naphthol red, PR264, PR177, crimzon alzarin, etc

any transparent red

ideally one that has an BW/ASTM rating of 1

[teal wolf]

That ez eh

[plush swift]

Yes

[teal wolf]

Raad

[plush swift]

the transparency will allow the silver to come through and you'll have a metallic red

you can do this with just about any transparent paint

its how I make black chrome

[teal wolf]

I will attempt as soon as I have a another air brush

[plush swift]

Now there is an extra trick to transparent paints

the more layers, the darker they get

so you can actually create volume and pseudo shading and highlights with it

[teal wolf]

Would a gloss varnish f up the red?

[plush swift]

No

it would enhance it

well

depending on which red you pick, some it wont do anything for, others it will enhance

[teal wolf]

Something like this.
Got 6 tanks waiting to go...

[plush swift]

yeah that wouldnt be an issue

for that type of red I'd go PR264 Pyrrole rubine(carmine) or PR177 Anthraquinone Red(Perminant crimzon alizarin)

[teal wolf]

To the notepad that goes

[plush swift]

those will be on the pricier side, but those will give the best effect

[teal wolf]

Thanks gamer

[plush swift]

no problem

if you cant find those, which honestly you might now, use PR5 napthol medium

its ASTM 2 so dont keep it in direct sunlight

[teal wolf]

My windows in the paint room are blacked out like a Crack head

[plush swift]

nice

perfect then

[teal wolf]

Night shift problems and all that

[brisk vapor]

Probably the fastest marines I've painted in years, maybe total of 5 hours of work

[plush swift]

That would be your fastest, they are metallics and no hardcore highlights

more subtle highlights

[coarse badger]

Troll trader customer service is very nice

[brisk vapor]

yeah I pretty resulted in quick volumetric highlights with thin edge highlights on areas that would make the most sense

[rapid lake]

Very nice melta burn marks.

[brisk vapor]

Cheers!

[celest zealot]

love to see the muzzle burn

[floral wind]

I went to check this site and omg why has no one told me about it

[celest zealot]

yeah it's great isn't it

i've sold to them a few times before the whole

thing happened

with the UK

[coarse badger]

They actually ship to me so they have my thumbs up

[celest zealot]

and made prices to the US not exactly... tolerable

[celest zealot]

nice!!

what are you thinking of getting

[coarse badger]

Just this to try it

And to gauge what taxes will be like

I'd guess at least double the price with taxes and shipping but I'm quite out of options

[floral wind]

sees whole combat firstborn sqaud for £5

this is a no brainer

[coarse badger]

Be sure to check quality/condition and descriptions and stuff

[floral wind]

Any idea what their shipping is like? Are the packages well protected isnide or is it haphazard?

[celest zealot]

oh ive never bought from them

i wouldnt know

sorry

[floral wind]

I am dw. Last thing I want is damaged goods

[celest zealot]

and i reasonably cant anymore cuz of UK shipping prices

but yeah ive only sold to them

[floral wind]

Its oki just thought I would ask :3

[celest zealot]

no worries at all!

i understand completely :)

to my knowledge they repack the miniatures themselves

from what the buyers send

but take it with a grain of salt

[coarse badger]

Looks like it, they have a separate category for boxes

[floral wind]

I shall thank you for your help I am intrigued to see how this turns out as ive been wanting proper sets for a while but even from 3rd party sites the're expensive :3

I mean they do have 4.8 stars on Trustpilot and 89% are 5 star reviews.

[coarse badger]

Hopefully I have similar luck

[celest zealot]

if you're in the UK (which im assuming you are) element games is a godsend from what i've heard

they have HEAVILY discounted stuff new in the box

[floral wind]

I have heard of them too but I dont recall having looked at their site tbh I will have to try it

[celest zealot]

knights for like less than $100

it's a dream come true

unFORTUNATELY they dont ship at all outside the EEA

[floral wind]

Aside from 40k I would like some legion stuff so I shall check it out on element thanks for the tip :3

[celest zealot]

mhm mhm

[floral wind]

They have Valhallans!

This is dangerous

[mental jolt]

EG was nice while I could still get stuff shipped to me without additional taxes, ordered once or twice from there.

[floral wind]

So I bought the combat sqaud. Unfortunatley the description states they the condition of the product is shwon in photograph(s) and they looked in good condition so these are a test to see if it would be worth buying again in the future

[coarse badger]

I'm trying to calculate prices and with shipping and VAT included, it should round up to about the retail price for it

Which tbh isn't that bad

[floral wind]

Ikr like a whole squad + shipping for less than £10? Bargain.

[mental jolt]

honestly, gw retail prices are pretty bad. But relatively speaking, yeah, it's not that bad

[floral wind]

Ikr it's outrageous how bad they are

Ik inflation is a bitch but its just so

[coarse badger]

A single GW kit would be like

20% of min wage here

[mental jolt]

I wish the hobby was more approachable, economically at least. Then again, I take a long time painting so I get quite a bit of bang for my buck, so to say.

[unkempt iris]

Anyone know if 10e is on tabletop sim?

[floral wind]

Same. A single bog standard mini takes me at roughly 7 hours to fully do. And I still have roughly like, 11 minis to paint

[coarse badger]

Like the rules?

[mental jolt]

couldn't you just use the pdfs with tts?

[coarse badger]

Cus they all free now

[unkempt iris]

Oh I know it’s free, I just wanted to try out 10e without spending money first

Cause if I like it, I might buy leviathan

[coarse badger]

Yeah you can just

Download the rules

I think

[unkempt iris]

Yeah I did, haven’t gone through em yet

Secondly, I have no clue how to use tts

[coarse badger]

You just dig around the workshop for suitable maps and armies and go wild

You can spawn dice, game automatically calculates so saves you time, built in rulers for distance

[unkempt iris]

Ok so I don’t need to like code the rules or anything

[floral wind]

You weren't kidding 👀

[coarse badger]

I was looking for kill team stuff myself and found a set that literally has kill team functions like engaging toggles and wounds scripted in

[coarse badger]

Do you have to code the models irl?

No

Just find the models and go wild

[mental jolt]

nah, you can do that manually if you want

[unkempt iris]

Have they released points costs and stuff for 10e?

[coarse badger]

Dunno

They're releasing indexes for every faction but I think pts costs aren't in?

[celest zealot]

Yeah not yet

[crude solstice]

WISH GRANTED
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Adeptus-Titanicus-Questoris-Knights-2019

[tawdry minnow]

Guilliman done 🙂

[celest zealot]

oh youuuuu

[celest zealot]

that looks fucking sick

amazing

i dunno how y'all can do that sort of thing

[tawdry minnow]

Ahh thank you!!

[mental jolt]

Lots of practice and studying

[celest zealot]

i mean fair

speaking of practice and studying, i'm going to be getting a lot of practice with my airbrush soon enough

i've had it for about a month but have been too scared to use it

[mental jolt]

Sorry, no secret trick or product. If there was I would love to know.

[celest zealot]

i know

i'm not saying my painting is bad by any means, i love it, i just am always amazed at the time ppl spend on models

[mental jolt]

You could see about getting airbrush paint on the cheap, and practice on paper for control etc.

[plush swift]

Just knowledge

[mental jolt]

There's technique and brush control that goes into it as well

[celest zealot]

i already have some airbrush thinner and some Army Painter bottles i'm not too worried about

i'll be fine

[plush swift]

Technically our products that do help with doing NMM, however they don't exist in hobby paints

[celest zealot]

i tried NMM once

and honestly

it looked fine

but i did not think it was worth that much effort

[plush swift]

That kind of falls under knowledge to me

[plush swift]

I'm just so ungodly used to doing it for work that it's brainless to me at this point

[celest zealot]

but then again i mostly do army painting

[plush swift]

Tmm is exciting to me

[celest zealot]

fair lol

[mental jolt]

Getting really good looking nmm is beyond difficult, I keep telling myself I'll learn it at some point, but dear lord

[celest zealot]

i think i actually tried the NMM on a Necron, figured it would be easier cuz it's a bigger canvas of metallic shit

and i was mostly correct

[mental jolt]

Muscle memory and dexterity, but as long as it's included you can call it what you want, I suppose.

[celest zealot]

it was only, like, an Immortal

but even still

[coarse badger]

I'm hoping digital stuff carries somewhat over to brush control

[celest zealot]

the muscles are

almost entirely different

so i dont think so

but i wish you luck

unless you use like

[plush swift]

The trick to getting the muscle memory and the dexterity to do it also falls under knowing how to do it as well.

[celest zealot]

a digital pen

[coarse badger]

I use both

[mental jolt]

Brush controls maybe, maybe not. Brushes are weird compared to pens

[celest zealot]

like a drawing tablet?

or something?

[coarse badger]

Ye

[celest zealot]

i mean maybe?

[mental jolt]

You'll figure it out

[celest zealot]

it'll help steady your hands if nothing else i imagine

[celest zealot]

that's baller as fuck

[plush swift]

you can get brush pens

[mental jolt]

Yeah, but they're not default

[plush swift]

no

[coarse badger]

I'll see how well I take to it

[plush swift]

but, you can use them to paint models with

refillable ones too

[mental jolt]

I suppose

Oh, you meant like brushtipped markers?

I guess that would work, assuming it uses paint that works on plastic/primer

[celest zealot]

it does

i used fine tipped ones for checker patterns

once upon a time

much easier to control than paint

you do wanna seal it with varnish after, though

it's prone to chipping a little more

[mental jolt]

I picked up tiny permanent markers (sakura something) a little while back to test for eyes and scribbles

[celest zealot]

mhm mhm

[mental jolt]

But I'm so used to using brushes at this point idk if it'll be easier or more difficult

[solid mountain]

Does anyone here like heresy?

Asking for a friend

[coarse badger]

More of a 40k guy

Nice Sentinel

[solid mountain]

Thanks :)

[tawdry minnow]

One more hehe

[solid mountain]

Noice

I am now nostalgic for the Stormtalon

[plush swift]

yes, you can fill them with any ink or thinned paint

they are a specific thing not line a fineliner

[sudden notch]

Work ahead

[celest zealot]

isopropyl alcohol shipped today, gonna be stripping my admech before y'all know it

mwahaha

i have an idea for a color scheme

[coarse badger]

Do share

[celest zealot]

it's mostly gonna be reddish-ochre like what Ryza has

for practice with my airbrush

[edgy jackal]

Inb4 corpse starch says that ipa ruins the plastic structure of GW minis

[celest zealot]

not in my experience

[edgy jackal]

Long term, that is

[celest zealot]

never heard anyone say that

even the ppl who strip minis for a living

or well not a living

you know what i mean

[plush swift]

IPA doesnt really stripe acrylics very well

[celest zealot]

works fine in my experience.

[plush swift]

I strip roughly 1000 minis a month

[celest zealot]

even got the primer off some of my old marines

[coarse badger]

Very well doesn't have to mean badly

[plush swift]

and do paint chemistry for a living, just because it "works" doesnt mean it is good at it

[celest zealot]

what would you suggest then

[plush swift]

Caustic soda degreaser

like LA's totally awesome

[coarse badger]

[celest zealot]

i don't have any unfortunately

[plush swift]

throw it in there, 24 hours later, washes straight off

[celest zealot]

i tried simple green a while back

but it uh

[plush swift]

Simple green is bad

[celest zealot]

did not do as well as i thought

yeah

[plush swift]

IPA is better

[celest zealot]

i figured it out the hard way

i mean i've already ordered the IPA

so like

[plush swift]

IPA however doesnt work well on anything with PVA in it, so a PU PVA blend medium will actually fuse to the plastic

[celest zealot]

yknow might as well use what i've got

GW minis ain't PVA though are they?

unless im just

braindead

[plush swift]

its PU, which isnt really affected by IPA either, the trick with those is that the binder is garbage

and hotwater with baking soda can remove it

[celest zealot]

binder?

im assuming you mean the glue i use to

put them together

[plush swift]

No, binder is a thing in paint

[celest zealot]

ah

apologies for misunderstanding

isn't the binder on the paint being shit a good thing, though?

[plush swift]

also by PVA I mean polyvinyl alcohol, not polyvinyl acetate(which is PVAc)

[celest zealot]

well

for stripping

[celest zealot]

i know what you mean

[plush swift]

for stripping yes, for everything else no

[celest zealot]

i mean

im planning to varnish the minis after this next paintjob anyway

so hopefully

that'll make them a BIT hardier

[plush swift]

americans can confuse the two a lot and I dont know where youre from

[celest zealot]

i am in the USA, yeah

i mostly know the difference from my friend who does printing

[plush swift]

Fun fact about varnish, it doesnt actually project your minis at all

[celest zealot]

with a lot of different materials

[celest zealot]

well shit

[plush swift]

varnish is designed to be easily removable for cleaning

You need automotive varnish

[celest zealot]

...which i don't have

[plush swift]

which is an enamel product and only comes in high gloss

[celest zealot]

ah yeah definitely not

matte varnish is the only thing i use

[plush swift]

Some of them you can put a matte varnish over

[celest zealot]

even still

i dont trust myself enough

[plush swift]

Matte varnish also will do nothing for protection period

[celest zealot]

not to fuck it up (with the automotive varnish)

[toxic rampart]

Ohhh. Agents of the Imperium boarding patrol! Nice.

[plush swift]

matte paints have massively reduced durability due to the nature of matte agents

same with matte varnish

[celest zealot]

didnt know that

not that i would

i'm neither an artist nor a chemist

[coarse badger]

Very eddukayshinul

[plush swift]

Yeah, I am both so I'm a rarity

[celest zealot]

so you've told me

paint chemistry is literally part of your day job aint it

[plush swift]

yes

[celest zealot]

exactly

[coarse badger]

How much is the regular painter being scammed

[celest zealot]

yes

[plush swift]

Wait I remember you now, I am in a lot of painting discords so i forget whos who somedays

I blame it on me being old

[celest zealot]

no worries lol

[celest zealot]

i dont even have that excuse my memory is just shite

[plush swift]

a lot, like an extreme amount

[celest zealot]

most "model paints" are a scam

for like

basic acrylics

[coarse badger]

[celest zealot]

it literally does not matter how cheap the paint is

in my knowledge at least

for metallics you're better off going for specialized stuff

but not by much

[coarse badger]

I guess for 40k there's the excuse the models are mostly made for wargaming

[plush swift]

anything below the highest end of professional isnt really that much different from each other

[celest zealot]

cuz most of the "model specific paints" you buy are just water based acrylics like

everything else

[celest zealot]

yeah

literally save for the initial ton of citadel pots i bought not knowing better

most of the acrylics i have now are like

the basic apple barrel shit

you can get at ANY craft store

i need to thin them a LOT more (in terms of how much water i add)

but the quality honestly isn't that different with careful brush control

and as i said

more thinning

also i'll say it now

basic vallejo paints

which is to say their non metallics

are shit

the coverage is SO garbage even with multiple coats

and shaking the damn bottle till my hand's numb

that could also just be my experience but it ain't a good one

[plush swift]

Yeah I just use professional stuff, its more expensive than apple barrel for sure, but its worth it for me

[agile junco]

Blood angels phobos librarian

[celest zealot]

fair

[celest zealot]

lovely

[plush swift]

I do have some apple barrel here

I use it for terrain a lot

[celest zealot]

i know i can probably buy it in bulk for cheaper than i buy citadel paints for

but i see no reason to until i run out of the paints i have

[plush swift]

with a few exceptions

[celest zealot]

the only real "model specific" paint i actually enjoy is Army Painter stuff cuz of how inexpensive it is at a baseline

and they usually come a little thinned

so you have very little correction to do

plus, most of their paints are an exact match for citadel paints at like half the price

and their paint sets usually have more variety as well

[celest zealot]

those being?

[plush swift]

professional white paint is just flat out better

[celest zealot]

so i've heard

[plush swift]

and if you were doing a large army

[celest zealot]

my secret is that i rarely ever actually have white paint on my models

[plush swift]

you'd probably want the professional stuff

[celest zealot]

i use white ink for basecoating plasma coils and glowy bits before airbrushing them

it's much more vibrant than just

white paint

[plush swift]

my knight army is black, white, and yellow primarily

because I wanted to mock people

[celest zealot]

lmfao

the only time i use white paint outside of glowy bits is drybrushing

because i love cheating to make my models look better

and the scratchy texture it leaves if you're a bit more intentional with it is really nice for the aesthetic i go for

[potent vapor]

slapchop painting >

[celest zealot]

i never liked slapchop

tried it a few times

didnt go well

[potent vapor]

i play as admech so it works really nice

[celest zealot]

it's on the fast end of my balance of painting time and effort

[celest zealot]

so do i

[potent vapor]

skill issue then

[celest zealot]

it's literally not

i just know i can get better results

for like

a few extra minutes per model

[potent vapor]

yeah but i fucking hate painting

[celest zealot]

pardon me for wanting to take my time i guess

[potent vapor]

i play warhammer for the strategy

[celest zealot]

now THAT'S a skill issue

[potent vapor]

no

its called im attracted to the hobby for a different reason

[coarse badger]

This is a bit overly confrontational

[potent vapor]

fuck you say to me?

[celest zealot]

y'know coming into a painting channel swinging and talking about how much you hate painting might not be it?

just a suggestion

[potent vapor]

i live for arguments online with people i dont respect

[celest zealot]

there's better places for that

like, y'know

the warhammer reddit

[coarse badger]

Yeah like meme chat

[celest zealot]

oh and like

every other hobby forum

to ever exist

[potent vapor]

i would rather bite my own balls off than make a reddit account

[coarse badger]

Well reddit isn't an option because all the major subs are currently locked down in protest

[celest zealot]

good

hopefully that hellsite dies out

[edgy jackal]

Could we not? This isn't exclusively a painting channel

[potent vapor]

W

[celest zealot]

i know

[plush swift]

its called scumbling and I will slapchop who ever decided to call it that stupid name

[celest zealot]

based chaos

[potent vapor]

world eaters on top

[celest zealot]

i've heard it called something in french a lot

[potent vapor]

bolt thrower reference

[celest zealot]

couldnt tell you what it was though

or was it a different romance language

[coarse badger]

I've recently grown incredibly fond of guard vehicles

[celest zealot]

ERA my beloved <3

[plush swift]

its a method thats existed for at least 100 years, and its annoying hobbiests dont learn the real terms and then try to correct me in class

[potent vapor]

i love the tau, but I fucking hate their mechs, the only reason I've never invested in them

make me think of gundam way too much

[celest zealot]

ppl act like its a completely new thing

[plush swift]

Sgraffito?

[celest zealot]

they dont know that everything we use for mini painting has been used for centuries

[potent vapor]

NO!!! MY term for painting silly minifigures IS THE CORRECT WAY!!!!!

[celest zealot]

that's not it

[coarse badger]

I almost prefer the more gundamy proxy models I see every now and then

[celest zealot]

my memory really IS shit

[celest zealot]

kitbash them

chaos tau

[potent vapor]

thats italian, frankish languages are accentuated at the end but often not with vowels

[edgy jackal]

grisaille?

[potent vapor]

oo

[celest zealot]

THATS THE FUCKER

I THINK-

[coarse badger]

But I also despise farsight enclaves so

[plush swift]

thats just black and white undercoats

[potent vapor]

doesnt make sense tho, the tau havent had much contact with the ruinous powers

they dont even see it as an empire toppling threat

[celest zealot]

which is an essential part of the "slapchop" (blegh) technique

black prime, white and grey drybrushing for highlights

[celest zealot]

all of farsight has

[coarse badger]

Farsight potentially uses a daemon blade, and is being directly watched by Khorne and Tzeemtch, and was shown a vision of him wearing a skull crown and being decked out in Khornate regalia

[plush swift]

mother fuckers need to learn chiaroscuro at this point

[edgy jackal]

I'm the opposite, I like the mech suits, not too keen on their transports, main tanks and fliers

[celest zealot]

the entire arks of omen book was about him fighting chaos influence

[coarse badger]

Also ShasOKais may or may not be corrupted by Khorne

[celest zealot]

yeahhhhh

[potent vapor]

i love their tanks and fliers, but I'm your typical anime hater (i used to watch anime)

[coarse badger]

Their vehicles are so inoffensive that they've been used for marvel comics lmao

[celest zealot]

also speaking of pretentious hobby painters

[edgy jackal]

Eh, to each their own.

[celest zealot]

i hope that

none of you

have ever had an experience

[potent vapor]

im only on the first farsight book

[celest zealot]

where oil paint users rant to you

[coarse badger]

Woops

[celest zealot]

about how everything they paint

[potent vapor]

its cool

[celest zealot]

is better cuz they use oil paints

[potent vapor]

horus heresy > 40k

fantasy > 40k

[coarse badger]

Honestly can't argue with that

[celest zealot]

disagree here

[coarse badger]

Except for like

Heresy bloat

[celest zealot]

yes but only for mechanicum

[potent vapor]

i got into warhammer bc of fantasy

[celest zealot]

horus heresy admech is BALLING

[potent vapor]

its just

so much cooler

[plush swift]

I have a feeling I know who that is...

[potent vapor]

fantasy > scifi in general tho

[plush swift]

was it a twitch streamer?

[coarse badger]

I've yet to see a Dork Angel as Chad like as Corswain

[celest zealot]

not that i know of

though with the way they act

[potent vapor]

i have like 300 hours on total warhammer 3 and another 500 on warhammer 1

[celest zealot]

wouldnt surprise me

[celest zealot]

never did play the total war games

i like turn based more

[potent vapor]

theyre my fav series

[coarse badger]

Corswain is such a based character, and he has a kickass model to boot

[celest zealot]

Mechanicus is such a good game

i play the shit out of it

[potent vapor]

i got into strategy bc of turn based/RTS, but grand strategy is just so much cooler

[celest zealot]

but also i love xcom

so like

idk

im biased

[potent vapor]

total war is turn based, just grand turn based

[plush swift]

oh ok, a lot of the oil painting twitch streamers are like that and I just reply to them with "you're using gamblin and richardson oils, you know jack shit about oils or oil painting" because I have the paints to be even more pompous than they are

[coarse badger]

Not many Marine hotshots can claim they strangled a primarch

[potent vapor]

i do enjoy gladius tho

[plush swift]

genuinely annoys them

[celest zealot]

i know a guy who EXCLUSIVELY buys the tiny ass tubes of winsor and newton oils for like 10 pound apiece

[potent vapor]

i dont like xcom tho

[celest zealot]

and acts like he's a god amongst men

[potent vapor]

too small scale

[coarse badger]

Battlesector?

[celest zealot]

small scale strategy is what i live for

[potent vapor]

tactical turn based 🤮

[celest zealot]

to each their own i guess

[coarse badger]

I'm a Heroes of Might and Magic creature myself

[celest zealot]

this same guy also has the brush control comparable to finger painting

[potent vapor]

as in MTG?

[coarse badger]

No

[celest zealot]

and the only thing that hides his mistakes is the copious amounts of shades and oil washes he uses

[coarse badger]

https://youtu.be/5-c51iIIk2M

[potent vapor]

ah, j googled, never played

[celest zealot]

but he INSISTS oil washes are only used by the best painters

GODS he pisses me off

but i digress

[potent vapor]

i also play a lot of bannerlord

[celest zealot]

i should stop before i pop a blood vessel

[potent vapor]

well i did, kinda stopped

fuck it im playing bannerlord

[coarse badger]

I played a ton of Warband, waiting for Bannerlord mods to pick up

And to get a new PC

[celest zealot]

i will say the only RTS i enjoyed