40k-minis-and-armies

[tight pumice]

I put squads painted as Alpha in my Corsairs for lore reseasons

[reef wren]

they're not all bad

just a lot of the common ones

[plush swift]

iron warriors and iron hands dont count in that

no one likes them as factions anyways

[lilac moth]

TBH i think i am just beyond repair due to liking the look of ultramarines and black legion while every single xenos filth just looks lame

[reef wren]

I wish people didn't like Iron Warriors

[tight pumice]

opponent: why is there a squad of alpha legions in your army?
me: I dont know, they just kind of showed up

[reef wren]

alright kill him

tyranids are probably the least interesting army in the lore, but their models are great

[plush swift]

combine the two into one

[reef wren]

ah yes, fallen Ultramarines successors

[lilac moth]

Actually planning on slapping some black legion / chaos undivided transfers on my kill team imperial breachers 😄

Just gonna roll them with my ultramarine army until someone pays some attention to them 😄

[tight pumice]

instant Blooded team

[lilac moth]

Should really finish building/painting my kroot kill team

but man... fuck kroot

fucking twig looking motherfuckers

[plush swift]

i have to finish too many commissions before I can work on my things

[naive umbra]

I just finished magnetising the big guns on my Ghostkeel, now gotta do the little guns. Can see the finish line in sight for the Combat Patrol box

[lean snow]

What weapon loadout should I put on my dark angels dreadnought

Plasma gun is for sure

[white shore]

Show us the goods

[distant sundial]

Time for paintings

[dry torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-sandler-billy-madison-funny-insult-just-do-it-gif-15340470

[vagrant pier]

thanks brazil

i just gave up on thousand sons army

[plush swift]

I have before several times

[jaunty trail]

Current progress on Bayards revenge..

[white shore]

Look

Finally came

[plush swift]

he doesnt even have arms or a head, you monster

[white shore]

nugget faction space marine

[muted token]

That is a torso, with legs

I have never before seen such a breathtaking form of art

The social commentary, If we can't use our heads, should we have hands?

[white shore]

Base done

[plush swift]

We are nothing more than torsos with legs in the eyes the bourgeoisie and elites as we are their labor force, and we need to breed more of the labor force for them.

[muted token]

Pretty sure a labour force benefits from arms though

[naive umbra]

Not if those same hands wield the tools of oppression

[plush swift]

Container

[sonic quail]

Bawks

[sterile grail]

im just experimenting things for my first and see how it turns out. My next miniatures I will definitely spend more time with the delicate details and not rush things.

I think its better if i paint arms, legs and head seperately because once i glue them toghether, its really hard to get the brush into certains parts.

[white shore]

First mini ever

[errant fulcrum]

anyone know where this blade is from?

[cerulean smelt]

is it generally frowned upon to use a proxy army? to be more specific, offbrand but still clearly based on the same units with the same base sizes (for non tournament games)

[naive umbra]

Depends who you're playing against, and where

[cerulean smelt]

a local non gw store, that runs 40k games sometimes

in a small town in the middle of nowhere

[naive umbra]

Your best bet would be to ask the store then

[cerulean smelt]

i intend to buy paints and brushes and books / datasheets from the store itself as well

the only thing not offical would be the models themselves

i just can't afford to play 40k currently if i go that route

and not for a long time, either

[winged lava]

Yo what's a good fantasy beginner army

[compact umbra]

As long as it isn’t an official gw store no body should mind!

[atomic rose]

Nobody should care even in the GW store either, lol. Yet no matter where, you will always find that one dude...

[ebon mango]

Spes mehrines

[flint talon]

Looks great! Though, something important is missing

[ebon mango]

the green bases once they're done that'll be the next step

I figured out how to recreate goblin green too

flash gitz yellow with

warboss green iirc

[flint talon]

Might want to get a second thin coat on that rocket launcher too

[ebon mango]

warboss green is already close enough but with flash gitz it saturates it

[ebon mango]

i'll probably give it 2 more thin coats

then i gotta clean up my highlights

work on the steel, finish the blue armor on the backpacks and hands...

[mint dove]

I got my first set of ultramarine today and uhhhh this instruction manual has confused me

[ripe schooner]

Here is my old back in day Gray Knight convert.

[mint dove]

Like do I build all these torsos at once? Also I feel like if I add that loin cloth it'll be hard to paint the legs, can I paint it separate and add it later?

[ebon mango]

Ohh basically

You can make one sergeant with that specific chest piece and one of the legs

and with that you can choose to have a loincloth or not

wait im an idiot and didnt read your question

you should build them all at once yea, tho iirc that kit has 11 front chest pieces so choose the ones you like best

and the loincloth shouldn't make painting too hard, especially if you don't glue the mini on the base right away

[ebon mango]

i love it

[ripe schooner]

Thanks ❣️

[mint dove]

Okay, so I should just glue at least all the torsos and legs together and then add the other parts around it?

[azure fulcrum]

Some people like to do partial assembly, some dont

[ebon mango]

Imo wait before gluing the torsos and legs together so you can play around with the pose a lil

[azure fulcrum]

I would say assemble two models, one partial (leave the arms, backpack and maybe head unglued until they are painted) and one fully assembled

Then paint them and see which you found the best

[ebon mango]

ohh good idea actually

[azure fulcrum]

At the end of the day losing a single infantry model cause you assembled him wrong or didn't like how he turned out isn't the end of the world

[mint dove]

I see, I'll try my best! I usually build gunpla so I'm just used to snap building

[azure fulcrum]

It all just comes down to what's most comfortable

[mint dove]

So when it comes to painting I want to make sure it's the same as gunpla

So I would paint the base coat,then line all the recessed areas and panels with a wash,then add other colors like gold on the chest and shoulders, then dry brush, then seal?

My hands aren't that steady so I can't do the edge highlighting with a brush

[atomic rose]

There is no proper way to paint. There is a lot of approaches and styles. Choose what you like and what you're comfortable with.

[white shore]

Day 1 complete

First mini gang

[naive umbra]

Minor disaster averted! Was magnetising small guns for my Ghostkeel shoulder mounts and I stupidly put the wrong polarity in one. Managed to get it out by drilling a couple 1mm holes out either side of the magnet, and with a combination of some very light brushing with acetone, managed to wring it out with my pliers.

Never doing that again!

[mint dove]

Same set. That banner is a bitch to paint

[naive umbra]

Damage is very minor too, could have been much worse

[white shore]

The white isn’t the right pigment to base with so you have to do black base and build layers with white

[naive umbra]

My hands shake like I've got parkinsons, but can manage to brush highlight. I just learnt how to brace my hand against the table to stop the shaking. You could try something similar

[mint dove]

And this is usually on a High grade gundam that I have trouble highlighting. Can't imagine what I'll do here

[white shore]

Could dry brush highlight?

[mint dove]

Yeah that's what I usually do

Okay I clipped out my first marines parts but I haven't assembled them yet, I'm gonna go get some bluetack tomorrow so I can kinda see how he looks put together and also so I can paint all the parts separately

[atomic rose]

You don't need to paint all of them separatly. It's actualy quite a silly idea. Just dry fit them together and see what ares block other areas. Cloaks, hands that go over the torso, backpack you might want to leave separate. The stuff that does not block other areas is fine to glue. Faces are also easier to paint while not glued to the mini.

[unreal chasm]

love the classic look

[mint dove]

From what I see the bolter on the Sergent mini blocks the chest and the banner doesn't have a lot of surface area to hold on to so I'm gonna paint the arms, weapon, head and banner separate

Wait should I prime these beforehand? How do I prime warhammer figures piecemeal like this? Stick some bluetack on the connection points and stick a toothpick in them?

[atomic rose]

I generaly drill a 1mm hole with a pinvice in the connection joint and lightly super glue a paper clip in. Holds the mini just fine, gives me something to hold on to, the hole is small enough it won't be noticable after assembling and it easy to poke into some styrofoam for drying after priming.

Then you just twist the paper clip out.

[naive umbra]

Assembly is complete

I really love all the configurations the model can have

[proven marsh]

Today in Totally Necessary Purchases

[naive umbra]

Just got the XV25 Stealth Team and Strike Team left then the Combat Patrol box is fully assembled

[finite rain]

a guardsman a day

[dry torrent]

I lik what i am see

Is not shit blue armor guys again

[white shore]

Anyone recommend any base texture or cool stuff to go on the bases

[finite rain]

gott some for you though xD

[dry torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-commissar-chainsword-gif-19397214

[atomic rose]

That is like...an entirely different world. xD PVA glue + sand, sticks, rocks, torn up cork coasters/tiles, cracle paste, epoxy resin, grass tufts, flora miniatures...there is so much, lol

You can also buy some rollers, that allow you to make textured bases from greenstuff/miliput...the options are endless

[finite rain]

vallejo diorama texture pastes are cheap and relatively easy to use, combined with some tuftts from greensttuff for example

currently working with cork, also interesting.

there is no limits tho to what one can do with bases

[dry torrent]

AK texture is the best

[finite rain]

the guardsmen bases i just posted are cork

[atomic rose]

For my Imothek, I had a guy CNC a Sauthek dynasty symbol out of steel for him to stand on.

The options are endless and imagionation is the limit.

These are some of my better hand-made bases

[dry torrent]

Its really bad good job

[white shore]

Where did you get the grass and trees??

[atomic rose]

The grass can be bought, just look for diorama grass tufts, same with most of the other foliage. The palm tree was a part of a rubber dinosaurs toy set which I bought from a second hand store. The cattails are 3D printed.

[white shore]

Thank you

[left egret]

@rare hornet just about to finish Storm of Iron.
Forrix is way too competent ti not be a warsmith

[rare hornet]

He did serve along side Perturabo during the siege of Terra

Actually out of the main characters Honsou is the only one who's not from the Horus Heresy

[left egret]

Yeah. I still wonder why forrix doesn't have a warband of his own

[rare hornet]

The book gives an answer to that

[naive umbra]

I'm fond of sand

Was trying to decide how to decorate the Ghostkeel base and had a cool idea to use the alternate head as decor. I'm going to build up sand around it, then paint it really rusty. A fallen brother from a previous battle. So yeah, you can even use leftover bits from your current assembly as decor

[white shore]

Is this beach sand ? What glue did you use?

[naive umbra]

It's a box of sand citadel sells, but in retrospect it's a bit of a rip off. I'd say it's coarser than beach sand, and you probably want your base sand to be relatively coarse because it textures better and will give more detail once you paint over it

It's likely some sort of desert sand I'd say

[copper siren]

going to GW Rotterdam this Friday for a painting workshop

exciting

[naive umbra]

Used plain old loctite super glue

It dries a bit thin with coverage, but you can just pour more over the sand, coat again, and build up layers of texture

PVA works well too if you're more patient

[crisp forge]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/04/new-year-new-bayonets-the-cadians-get-an-upgrade-sprue-crammed-with-characterful-components/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=cadianupgradespic04012023&fbclid=IwAR328uWK0ZklBIBnQMgzDUu15ERcr5Ogn2AQNhF3x-xqSYem70GV6yS1rFk

[atomic rose]

I have way better experience with PVA than superglue. Just put a layer of PVA on the base, sprinkle on some sand, tap off the excess, the mix some more PVA glue with water in roughly 1:1 ratio and either mist or lightly brush it over the top. It will glue all of the loose grains. It's also way cheaper than super glue, it just takes a while to cure fully.

[ruby moon]

Tank commander?

For the second image

[left egret]

Just ordered 2 killteam chaos legionaries boxes. I need my 2h chain axes, reaper chaincannons and balefire tomes

[left egret]

I know but he could have done so much more. Seeing his ambitiones stoked was definitely a highlight

[rare hornet]

I mean, the guy did beat a warhound to death with a powerfist

[left egret]

Aye

Pure mad-cunt energy

[sterile grail]

i took my time

[lilac moth]

Is there a difference between chaos legionaires and chaos space marines?

[naive umbra]

I generally don't bother with the sealing coat since I prime it and the paint layer seals it anyway, but definitely a good idea if you just want a natural sand base unpainted

[left egret]

Both are called legionaries but kill team ones seem to have equipment 40k legionaries don't. Said equipment is also usable I 40k

[lilac moth]

Planning on buying the chaos space marine combat patrol but also want a kill team and the new incoming cqc game mode armies done for black legion so wondering if i also have to buy box of leginaires in addition to the 10 marines from the patrol box

[rare hornet]

Well the legionaires title is because of the space marine legions were a thing, then they got rid of this when they broke down into chapters, it's just a name really means nothing different

[plush swift]

an isolation coat isnt as fragile as acrylics, the paint itself wont seal much hence why specialty products like isolation coat barriers exist

[plush swift]

You can also find PVAc glue that doesnt have a thickening agent in it, but those are generally at specialty stores.

[left egret]

Cqc?

[brisk vapor]

close quarters combat, the new arks of omen books will bring a new game mode focused on ship boarding assaults and the like

[left egret]

[brisk vapor]

it'll be quite similar to Horus Heresy's Zone Mortalis games

[left egret]

Melee armies are viable

Praise the melee

[brisk vapor]

honestly melee armies can be quite damn powerful already so the new game mode is quite scary

[lilac moth]

basically kill team with multiple units.

[plush swift]

melee tau

[brisk vapor]

I meant armies that focus on melee

[plush swift]

melee tau is a thing

its called a kroot army

think conga line but more meme worthy

[brisk vapor]

sure you can have some kroot and a melee focused commander but there really isn't other rules or stratagems to support that kinda play

[plush swift]

Technically there isnt for necrons either, but it works shockingly well weirdly enough

but cant go pure melee

hence why you just bring one squad of immortals

[brisk vapor]

Necrons are in a weird place, most of their units and rules are sub par but their secondaries are great so they gain points well in games easily but they get stomped once they do what they want to do

[plush swift]

necrons will always be in a weird place though

this isnt the days of living metal only being able to be damaged by s10+ weapons and there being a very small amount of those

[brisk vapor]

yyeah

hopefully they'll find their place soon, I really want to build an army of them and wouldn't mind having fun playing with them as well

[plush swift]

necrons were best in an era with directional armor and glancing blows

they lost their unique flair

[naive umbra]

Is that why flayers resorted to wearing other factions for their unique flair?

[atomic rose]

Flayers were made so the poor painters could dunk their necrons in a bucket of red paint and call it a day

[left egret]

Also i think I have developed an addiction to reaper chaincannons

I just can't have enough of those brrrt machines

It's not like they are super good. Their range is fairly limited. But they just make me happy

[plush swift]

its like the gau-8

[left egret]

Gau-8?

[plush swift]

they a-10 isnt a good plane and it was obsolete when they released it, but the gau-8 makes me happy

[left egret]

Is that some sort of necron weaponry that I am too chaos to understand?

[plush swift]

it was a plane designed for fighting during a nuclear war.... problem with that, it cant survive nuclear radiation or fallout

[left egret]

Ah

[plush swift]

No this thing

[left egret]

Well if it makes you happy then it's fine

[weary nexus]

Brrrt

[plush swift]

its the real definition of brrt

[weary nexus]

Yes, cool as plane tho.

Gun with wings

[plush swift]

3900 rpm of 30mm depleted uranium rounds, sounds sexy on paper

[weary nexus]

BRRRRRRRT

[plush swift]

in practice its so meh that Ukraine said that they were useless for their war and they'd rather have props as a trainer

[sterile grail]

jetback

looks better in real life, idk why the photo makes the texture so crispy

[atomic rose]

Photos overexpose everything. Looks decent. Realy surprised how clean those are for your first minis.

[sterile grail]

thank you, I'm trying to learn and improving my miniatures everytime

i took the advice and spend my time painting details

[atomic rose]

You are a rare breed then. Most people want to have their minis done in as little time as possible, often at a cost of quality. If you keep at it, you'll soon learn, that you can do whatever you are doing quicker and cut the time spent on a single miniature that way.

[sterile grail]

its really hard to paint the back of backpack so i paint them parts by parts

tomorrow i will work on both arms and leg, and then add the oil to see how well it goes, then some highlighting

[atomic rose]

Are you going for volumetric or edge highlights?

[sterile grail]

im suppose so

might have to look up how people do it so i dont mess up

i already threw away so many miniatures because of many screw up

body update

[sterile grail]

oh just realize the chest gold has some spilled line imma just fix it real quick. Photos are actually great for picking up mistakes

[atomic rose]

Generaly you'll see two main ways to highlight things. Edge highlights are often used for tabletop, because they are quicker, relatively easier and make the mini more readable. It is also what you'll see in all GW guides, since that is they style they use. With volumetric highlights you are building a gradiant from dark to light, which tends be to more realistic, but for mini purposes it is often exagerrated to increase readability. It can also take a lot of time and you need to thin your paints properly. And of course you can kinda combine those two.

[atomic rose]

Don't toss away you minis. You can just paint over mistakes or if it's really bad, just strip it with a paint stripper and start over. There is a lot of products that are safe even for plastic minis.

[sterile grail]

i see, my future goal is to paint dark angels, they are great for volumetric shading. Probably should invest myself an airbrush to make painting easier overtime. Im still new into these miniature paintings.

[atomic rose]

Airbrush can speed volumetric shading considerably, but it is not required. You can achieve the same result with just a brush, it just takes time and some practice. But if you are building an army, it might be quite daunting to do it for every piece.

[neat quartz]

Looks great! Making me excited for painting my first 40k models this weekend!

[plush swift]

i should reopen the free weekend classes soon...

I hate christmas rushes

[atomic rose]

Sure, I'll gladly paint along some free painting advice.

[plush swift]

Overbooked never enough time for anything

I have 1, technically 2 pieces left

[atomic rose]

Unless you do it in like a middle of the night. 😅

[plush swift]

depends on what timezone youre in

[atomic rose]

+1

[neat quartz]

Gmt?

[atomic rose]

ye

[plush swift]

i think gmt is +0

[atomic rose]

well yeah, I am GMT +1

[plush swift]

yeah youre 6 hours ahead of me

[neat quartz]

East coast eh?

[plush swift]

yes

[atomic rose]

So it is likely gonna be in the middle of the night, unless you do it before lunch 😅

[neat quartz]

Brother!

A painting vc sounds comfy

[sterile grail]

I buy WH minis to display, so most of my guys won't be used on tabletop.

[muted token]

I use this channel as a chat because it's less populated by dickheads, I've just seriously considered pulling the handbrake at 70mph because my dad honestly believes the machine head cover of hallowed be thy name is better than the iron maiden original

I just wanted someone to know that so if I vanish I died in a car "Accident"

[plush swift]

I wouldnt even get up before 10am most days, I barely even bother waking up before 2pm most days also

[atomic rose]

Guess I won't be taking your class then.

[plush swift]

it would typically be around 6-8pm your time

[muted token]

WAIT what class

I wanna be taught to be a dick about paint by corpse

Sounds like fun

[plush swift]

Hell yeah

i swear I dont try to be a dick about it, I just comes out like that most of the time

[muted token]

It's fine, it's an endearing kind of being a dick

I'm English so I get that

[plush swift]

I have a very german way of speaking

[atomic rose]

Corpse: "I don't try to be a dick."
Also Corpse: "Your paint sucks and you're going to fucking die!"

[plush swift]

this is accurate

[muted token]

I mean, my native tongue is sarcasm

So maybe I just get it

[plush swift]

I'm either very sarcastic or very blunt

no in between

[muted token]

Yeah you're never trying to be funny

After all German humour is no laughing matter

[atomic rose]

I mean I get it. I also get angry when people who know shit about my field of expertise try to convince me that I am wrong.

I call them plebs lawyers.

[muted token]

Happens a lot to me, I'm a computer hardware engineer

Most of what I do boils down to "Stop abusing your hard drive"

Or "Yes you need to clean your fan"

[plush swift]

You mean the 8 years of dust build up on my gpu is bad?

[muted token]

Nah its like a blanket

[plush swift]

I thought the grinding noise was supposed to be good

[muted token]

Keeps it toasty

[plush swift]

Its a security blanket

[muted token]

God, I had someone clean the inside of their pc with a vacuum once

[plush swift]

This is stupidly common with mini painters. Drives me nuts

[muted token]

Literally hoovered off their CPU and was confused why their pc wouldn't boot

[plush swift]

"oh but ninjon/vince said this" well here is 12 documents from 12 different paint manufacturers that all say they are wrong bud

[muted token]

I nearly brained them with a can of compressed air

[plush swift]

I use an airbrush

[muted token]

Doesn't make you immune to compressed air you aubergine

[plush swift]

Not worried about moisture as my mobo is covered in vaseline

[muted token]

Also, actually, probably not a bad way of cleaning a pc

Just make sure it's clean and relatively dry

[plush swift]

I also only use DI water in my airbrush to clean it and in my paint

[muted token]

Make sure you don't paint the inside of your pc orange or something, that might cause issues

[atomic rose]

I just like...remove the side cover and blow into it every now and then to remove the worst dust cover. 😅

Please don't hurt me.

[muted token]

Tar, that's better than 80% of people

I use a gaming laptop I built

I basically disassemble the whole thing once or twice a year

But 3080 i7 64gb laptop

Confuses people

Best thing

[neat quartz]

@muted token is using a vacuum on the cabinet’s grates also considered tech-heresy? Asking for a friend

[atomic rose]

How does that thing not go up in flames. Had few laptops during uni. Never going back, no.

[plush swift]

What do you think about this beast then

[plush swift]

Last time I had a laptop was back when XP was still current, and that thing got so toasty all the time

[atomic rose]

I am convinced he has it wrapped in plastic and submerged in dry ice bath.

[plush swift]

Sounds sexy. I was in tech for a long time, always wanted to build my own laptop

[muted token]

Because there are a bajillion fans

[muted token]

It's too blue

Yo I just looked at it properly what the fuck is that cd drive doing with it's life

AND WHERE IS YOUR FRONT PLATE

WHY ARE YOUR FANS TAPED ON

WHAT ARE THOSE USB DOINGS

I kinda love it

I don't know how that's not on fire but I love it

[sterile grail]

okay guys its 5am here, I started painting at 10pm. My back is broken.

I finished touching up some black parts around the knees

Time to go to sleep gn everyone ❤️.

[muted token]

MOVE THE CD'S AWAY FROM THE TOP FAN

The more I look at this photo the more kind of, Confused and interested in how this happened I am

[plush swift]

@muted token I should show you my PC if you think that's bad.

[muted token]

I would imagine yours is liquid cooled by lead based paint

Based on what I know about you

[atomic rose]

It runs on steam produced by boiling tears of hobby painters.

[plush swift]

No, I don't use a cooler.

I just covered it with a bunch of thermal paste

Sounds of the fans bothered me too much

[plush swift]

My top cover is a bit of perforated steel held on by colour matched silver duct tape too 😏

[muted token]

Let me know when your house burns down

You know that actually applies to both of you

[plush swift]

I use the heat to help boil oil

[muted token]

I'm pretty sure that's eventually going to provide heating for your whole street

[plush swift]

No idea, I just like the splashy noise it makes, it's uncovered though

[muted token]

BY VIRTUE OF YOUR HOUSE BEING ON FIRE

[plush swift]

It's not a big deal, it's only a 11900k

And don't worry, I also put thermal paste in the pins

[muted token]

Ok so I know you're fucking with me

[plush swift]

I noticed it was thermal throttling a little bit

[muted token]

But I know someone who did that

And then brought their computer to me to get it fixed

[plush swift]

Tooth paste is the same thing as thermal paste, right?

[muted token]

Basically

You should brush your teeth with thermal paste

Actually don't

I don't wanna be arrested for murder like that tide pods dude

[plush swift]

It should be I've watch Linux tech tips and gamers nuxes before

[muted token]

I want to headbutt Linus

Just some of the shit that comes out of his mouth, he's usually pretty good but MY GOD

[plush swift]

What about Steve?

I have to drive by his old studio for work on occasion fun fact

Aka his house

[weak oak]

Hey, just a quick question. I was looking at creating a Guard Army in a pre-heretical Moebian Regiment design and colors because I think they have an interesting design that wouldn't be too hard to pull off with models available, the only problem I'm having is finding a good helmet/mask combo that is similar to what they have in game. I was just wondering if anyone had any possible recommendations or ideas for a suitable option?

[jagged sparrow]

Anyone have a list of all the current point values for necrons? I know they got a few nerfs and buffs so I’m unsure of the current values

[muted token]

3d print it

[muted token]

wahapedia.ru

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/necrons/datasheets.html more specifically

That question made me realise how bad Trazyn's model is

[brisk vapor]

I pray for updated Trazyn in 10th

I so much want to paint him but the model doesn't do him justice

[muted token]

I can't even find a good Trazyn stl

when he is by far the most interesting necron character

[plush swift]

Daddy Trazyn~

[muted token]

I love him so much, he just shows up places and goes "Mine" then leaves

And refuses to explain

[compact umbra]

Same for the gay necrons

I love them

[plush swift]

They get taken down very quickly

[tame igloo]

Shouldve gotten a 3d printer a long ass time ago

Couldve saved myself so much money

[edgy jackal]

Eh, the early ones were pretty low res and really pricey.

[tame igloo]

Its great . people just rip models from TWWH and boom, youve got STLs for almost the entire warhammer fantasy lone

Line*

I feel like that model is as good as anything GW ever put out

[finite rain]

vroom vroom

time to go to church

[plush swift]

Guys, i've figured out why Ultramarines are pushed so hard by GW

[atomic rose]

It's honestly not that difficult to figure out. They are clean and bland = no weird quirks for turn people off. They are the gateway drug for plastic crack.

[plush swift]

I think its because Macragge Blue is a easy to use paint

[urban harbor]

and as such they have the highest sale rates and thus GW focuses on them as they only care for profit like any good company

[atomic rose]

Nah, if that was the case, they'd be pushing Blood angels

[mystic shard]

And salamanders

[floral wind]

Whe using plastic sement like Tamiyas' for example is it necessary to use sanding sticks or can one simply use a hobby knife, file etc to clean up the excess?

[brisk vapor]

hobby knife is fine

[floral wind]

noice

Also thank u

[brisk vapor]

np

[atomic rose]

As with many other things in the hobby, the answer is "it depends". Knife might be too rough for round surfaces, like space marine pauldrons, because it can leave a facet. Not a big deal but something to considet. Same thing applies when scraping mold lines.

[plush swift]

I use German cut 6-10 swiss pattern needle files for most things myself

But this is a luxury most don't have

[floral wind]

Thank you I shall take on board the advice for future reference :3

[plush swift]

I think my cheapest file was $25

[floral wind]

[plush swift]

I don't get why people call like a 200 grid high grit sandpaper either, because things like that are garbage for trying to get a perfect surface. You need a start at a 600 grit

Problem is that it can take longer, which is what people don't want

[errant fulcrum]

Would canis Rex be a good Freeblade knight to run with Black Templars?

[ebon mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/977968586813497424/1060288819599003834/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_758b32eb-7fea-4acb-93b5-7f35a739b32c.jpg?width=705&height=397

[wooden pier]

Oh I avent seen these models i ages

[plush swift]

Not really, knights as a whole are lords of war and cost a lot of points, the rex is also really lacking in terms of weapon options and you're paying extra over a princepts for a few minor perks

some people like bringing them, but knights are very clunky on the tabletop and suffer greatly from the point return

[short pine]

That's some classic paintjobs on classic models

[ebon mango]

im about to go get more

i want a full squad of 5

[white shore]

are there different tabletop sozed minis?

[granite vapor]

The Mordian 21st

[reef wren]

yes

[white shore]

what are the sizes for space marines etc

[floral wind]

Well my Primaris stand at 4cm (not including base)

roughly

[white shore]

this looks huge?

[reef wren]

Space Marines use 32mm bases afaik

[jaunty trail]

Next steps on Bayards revenge...

[mint dove]

First minis, how should I paint the green laurels on the waistcloth?

[floral wind]

Maybe undercoat it with white then go over with thin layers of green?

[mighty gust]

I’d do the opposite, start with green, end with white. Remember, it’s easier to do big than small

[floral wind]

True that

[mint dove]

Alright I'll give that a shot. I'm running into some trouble just trying to assemble the damn things

I'm used to snap building gundams so gluing is...difficult to say the least

What does it mean when it says 2 a-d? I have no idea which arms to use

[sterile grail]

idk im painting the recruit edition space marine, as far as I know the seam lines and details on this certain guy isn't that good.

[mint dove]

This has got to be the most confusing model manual I've ever read

[plush swift]

That’s almost a line up to a dick joke

[ebon mango]

so iirc

on the page with the seargent assembly it shows 4 different arms configurations going from a-d

its basically saying use one of those

[jagged sparrow]

Sergeants always get the special weapons for some reason

[mint dove]

Ahh I see okay, the book also only shows how to assemble 5 space marines but the box says it males 10, do I just mix and match the last 5 sets of parts?

[forest tiger]

Yea you can mix and match body parts, legs, backpacks, helmets, etc. Dont mix up the arms or they will look wo ky and crooked

@mint dove

[bold copper]

just finished a game of 40k. my word bearers vs necrons and i got the W

[sterile grail]

do people generally ignore these raised edges around the golden area? i find it painful to paint

in the main miniature artwork they seem to paint it as well

[bold copper]

i like to paint it personally. for me it just makes it look nicer

[plush swift]

liquid latex is your friend

[sterile grail]

is the consistency thin enough to not cover the raised edges?

[plush swift]

yes, its used for water color masking a lot

[sterile grail]

nice ill have a look into it

[plush swift]

you can also shade that area and pretend like its metallic

[sterile grail]

honestly yeah

idk if i oil wash those recessed will cover the edges that i just painted or not

[plush swift]

it can

depends on how you clean them

just remember, you cant put a second layer on for at least 8 months after it finishes try to the touch

oils are fickle and like to crack if youre not careful

[sterile grail]

paint

pain*

I have this, not sure how well it will coat

[plush swift]

over oils or acrylics?

[sterile grail]

should be over oil coated

[ornate bramble]

Tempted to buy a kratos tank

I have two whirlwind Scorpius', melee leviathans, and the entire age of darkness box do you think it'd fit

And another kratos that I got from Christmas

Should I just get some tartaros terminators

I like big tanks and I cannot lie

[plush swift]

I'd have to check the material, but the chemical propellants would require at least a year before you actually spray it

if the material isnt the correct type, it wont bond

most think it does, but it starts flaking up over time and then removes all the paint, part of it is due to gas release from the oil

[white shore]

I love minis

[white shore]

does anyone here play tabletop

[sterile grail]

sounds scary, im using citadel paints rn. I also have a cidatel finish spray can just in case.

the thing about the spray can is that its so inconsistent. Wrong speay and the whole model gone

[plush swift]

It's not a true primer you can strip it really easily.

[plush swift]

Oil is just a different beast, It's no better or worse It's just different

[sterile grail]

im seriously considering priming with airbrush instead

[visual cliff]

I just.finished mine , such a fun model

[lilac moth]

Anyone know of a easy/simple way of getting a metallic dark blue effect? Preferrably via dry brushing?

Would just mixing like lederbelch + black + mcgragge blue work?

My space marines about to find a whole new type of warp horrors

[brazen nexus]

My brother uses blue inks for his night lords

Maybe that'll work?

[lilac moth]

Thinking if it would be better to first drybrush dark blue and then go over it with metallic drybrush or just go all in 1 go with paint mixing

Never tried inks before

But kinda want a blue-ish metallic glow on most of that thing

[brazen nexus]

Ah

[atomic rose]

Blue contrast/wash over metal basecoat shlould probably work. But it will make the metal a bit duller.

That is how I got this greenish gold. Metalic basecoat-green wash-more gold

[lilac moth]

Might actually try ultramarine armor contrast on some of the recesses

Could make the foundation i am looking for due to the black base spray

THICC contrast to the pockets and then just gently drybrush some silver/metal on top of it

Could possibly make it so that the blue shows a bit from under all the metallic shiny at the edges

[mint dove]

So my girlfriends brother told me what he does when doing subassembaly is assemble the model with poster tack, prime it then disassemble it and prop the other parts on skewers to paint them. Is that a good idea?

[lilac moth]

y

[plush swift]

Poster Tack? you mean like blutack?

[mint dove]

Yeah that.

[mint dove]

These are my first foray into painting anything so I wanna make sure I get it right so I don't get too discouraged

[plush swift]

If you have something simple like push fit space marines, you should be able to do them without gluing them together for the most part

So you can experiance what area’s you find hard to get to when assembled

[mint dove]

Nah the tactical squad uses glue

[plush swift]

Oh alright

I normally jusr leave backpacks off

[mint dove]

Backpacks I could paint around, it's usually the front that gives me trouble, like with heavy weapons or when a mini holds a bolter with 2 hands, obscures the whole chest

[plush swift]

Yea probably leave those off too until final assembly

[mint dove]

But when its like this I feel like I can get around it

So I can just use the bluetack trick? Shouldn't cause too many issues?

[plush swift]

It won’t cause any issues, you blue tack to the area’s you don’t paint

But I found the blutack here wasn’t sticky enough so I just make do with fingers

[mint dove]

That was the plan, okay cool I feel better about being able to paint then well

[plush swift]

But then I have little hands

[mint dove]

And as long as it holds for at least an hour while the primer sets, I'm chill

Oh dude I wish, I have massive fucking gorilla hands

I'm out here painting with ogryn fists

[plush swift]

My hands are smaller than a 5’ tall Japanese girls

I don’t have much sensation in my finger tips though

[plush swift]

You remeber the original Xbox controllers?

[mint dove]

I miss those, perfect size for my hands. Trying to use a switch controller gives me carpal tunnel lol

[naive umbra]

Do people actually use Power Levels? Everything I've seen is point values in all the major battle reports I watch, but looking at the Codexes it seems like GW is trying to push power level with the points table at the end as an afterthought for the "older" way to do stuff

[vagrant pier]

Nope nobody uses

[naive umbra]

So just a case of GW trying to force things a bit looser/more casual and the whole player base just going "Nope."

[white shore]

Need to fix the eyes

Guy on far left I highlighted with dry brush and 1-1 McCrage blue and corax white - I think the blue is too light thoughts?

[atomic rose]

It's definitely not too bright. Highlights on highest usualy go very close to pure white. The gradiant is too sharp and not smooth, which makes it seem that way. Drybrushing is also not the best way to highlight smooth areas. It's meant to catch edges and highlight texture.

[white shore]

The 2 centres I did full once over with Agrax earth shade

How would you recommend highlighting them?

Tbh I didn’t think I did too bad for first set of minis

[atomic rose]

Basicaly it seems like you tried to highlight volumetricaly with a technique that is not compatible with it. It can be done, but you really need to be good at drybrushing.

I do my volumetric highlights with glazing. Other ways to do it would be wetblending, feathering or an airbrush.

[white shore]

I see

That makes sense

Thoughts on the earthshade full coat compared to none

[atomic rose]

It seems like your paint was not dry enough for drybrushing, which made it look like strokes, rather than the dusty finish it usualy leaves. You really need to wipe most of the paint for it ti work.

Wash is fine. I prefer vibrant colors, so I generaly go back with the base coat after washing to bring the color back and leave the wash obly where it settled.

[white shore]

Oh this is a good idea

Do you have any pics of your minis for reference?

Of what they could look like

I have purchased more also the “elite starter set” comes with a bunch of necrons more Ultras so I can learn the game

[atomic rose]

I have not used all over wash in quite a while now. 😅 I decided I want to control where my paint goes, rather than slopping it on and hoping for the best. So when I use my washes, I go for targeted recess shading instead.

[white shore]

Oh I see do you think it results in a better finish?

[atomic rose]

Not necessarily. Washes are quick and convenient, but you lack control. I don't play, I paint for display and I am trying to get better at it. So the random chance is not cutting it. Washes are perfectly fine for army painting purposes. But I definitely recommend bringing the base coat back. It bringsnmore definition, readability and vibrancy.

[white shore]

Perfect thank you very much

Do you think I should do more of the gold highlights?

Or a few more coats to bring out the definition

[atomic rose]

From my experience, metals benefit greatly from a bright silver edge highlights. If you do not want to bother with TMM.

But they are your minis. As long as you are happy, everyone else should as well. Don't let my display painter nagging make you feel like you have to do more than you want.

[white shore]

Nah I want to make them look good since I just started the other day haha and I’m sure everyone here is more experienced than me and Knowledge is power so I have to get some advice on how to improve etc

Why don’t you play table top?

Also show me your minis 😂

[atomic rose]

I am not really that interested in the game. Seems like a lot of headache, competitive toxicity and (no offense) and I've heard about some less than stellar personal hygiene. 😅

And there are already plenty of my minis in this channel.

[white shore]

Hahahah people not showering to play Warhammer

[pastel grotto]

God I love Tyranids

[white shore]

Do you have any tips on painting for display and how to improve from where I’m at currently

[atomic rose]

Other than general skills like brush control etc., intentionality is important. Understand what colors and techniques you're using and why. Rather than blindly following guides, analyze why it's done that way. Look at pictures and try to understand what color is placed where and what is the reasob for it to be there. You'll often find that your eyes are not telling you the whole story and what looks black is actualy blue and that that bright red is actualy pure orange at the lightest points.

Other than that...just practice. Lots and lots of practice.

[white shore]

Thank you

Are citadel paints good?

[atomic rose]

My favorite example of that is black leather. Google a picture of a black leather coat. Looks black, right. But look closer. Majority of it is actualy grey, surprisingly light grey. And the reflections are often pure white.

[atomic rose]

"@plush swift is typing..."

[hazy meadow]

[atomic rose]

I dunno. Never had major issues with them. I stopped buying them, since vallejo was cheaper, but apparently those are not good either.😂

[hazy meadow]

Personally I find them to be fine, I know there are cheaper options and also probably better options but as a newbie I find myself referencing videos a lot and they all mention of citadel colors which is easier for me

And I’ve never had trouble mixing paints or anything, I probably could’ve done without maybe 20 of the pots I bought by just mixing white or a similar tone to get the same color

[atomic rose]

This is exactly what intentionality practice is for. If you analyze carefully, you then know you need a dark red and bright orange rather than mephiston red and dragonfire bright. Opens a lot of options to you.

[hazy meadow]

As a complete noob to painting it took my wet palette being too wet and running my white into my green to realize it could be brighter for highlights and such without another entire pot

Obviously it makes sense it had just never crossed my mind when I started

But yea I think overall, if I stopped looking at specific “paints used” on videos and tried to visually make it, I’d grow a lot faster

[atomic rose]

A lot of people tend to forget the color does not have to be exact. Close enough is good enough. Noone will beat you up over your blood angels being a shade of red lighter.

[finite rain]

besides them beeing rather thick and the citadel paint pots beeing a menace to humanity i actually like them

after transfering them to dropper bottles and thinning them a good amount down during the process

they do the job for me

[hazy meadow]

Lmao they are a pain to open sometimes. I might transfer to droppers, just didn’t want to deal with adding anything to make it easier to transfer

People were mentioning some sort of thinning stuff but I could probably just use water

[finite rain]

vallejo airbrush thinner

[atomic rose]

Distilled water is fine. Non-distilled water...I probably would not use for longer storage.

[finite rain]

get some 17 ml dropper bottles, some funnels and some mettal airsoft 6mm balls

and u good to go

took me a whole weekend and some mess but all my 50ish cittadel colors are in droppers

and dont know why i didnt do that a year ago already XD

[atomic rose]

Yeah, I droppered my citadels as well.

[floral wind]

Funnily enough I have just started a WIP Blood Angel. I've just finished the base coating which admittedly took me too long but I will come back to it at some point

[mint dove]

Is this a good enough primer?

I have Tamiya spray primer too but only in white and gray

[compact barn]

My first ever minis painted, always loved the lore of 40k but Darktide refired the forges for me to take the plunge!

[mint dove]

Pretty good job,

[compact barn]

Thank you! Still got some things to clean up and learn from!

[mint dove]

That's painting for ya lol,

[wanton basin]

I forgot how much like chads the SoB models look like

Nice

[finite rain]

SoB difficult to sttart with

[hazy meadow]

Do you think beads are a necessity for switching over to droppers, or do they just make shaking easier?

[finite rain]

just for the shaking

[atomic rose]

They are optional, but mandatory

[finite rain]

yeah, if you go through the process of transfering anyway

throw those balls in xD

[hazy meadow]

Fair fair

Also is there a term for when you place paint on a mini and it seemingly vanishes

Like my paint won’t be too thin or anything but it’ll sort of wipe itself away

Like it doesn’t have attraction to the mini

https://i0.wp.com/drawandpaintforfun.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/watercolor-paint-beading-on-palette.jpg?resize=435%2C401&ssl=1

I just stole this pic from google but sort of like that, except the paint isn’t as visibly thin

It mainly happens with my contrast paints so maybe it’s just trying to get into the recesses more than the smooth surfaces

[atomic rose]

That is what contrast paints are supposed to do, yeah. The surface tension pulls them away from flats and gathers it in a place where it can stick more easily.

[hazy meadow]

Ah gotcha

I think for some things I like them, such as a leather handle on a weapon, just doing a quick contrast and it doing all the work for me but I feel like doing base and highlights would look better in the end on most things

I’ve been painting my guys in almost full contrast and not that happy with it

[atomic rose]

There are a tool you have in your arsenal. Nothing more than that. They have some uses and some things are better done in more traditional way.

[hazy meadow]

I’m going to redo this guy but like the green is all blotchy and I feel with a base it’ll be more controlled and easier to keep it smooth

He was my second attempt so it’s not good by any means but I can only assume a base would be smoother

I’m still waiting on my death guard green which would be better color wise too, just got impatient and wanted to try some stuff out

[sudden notch]

Does gw or some other place sell seperate model parts? Got plenty of arms and torsos left from the assault marine box and all id need is more leg parts

[atomic rose]

You can probably get some spare bits from ebay. 3D printing community is also quite large.

[brisk vapor]

Bitzbox

[plush swift]

I know etsy has some people who sell bits for exactly this. They have torso's legs and all sorts of bits for kitbashing.

[plush swift]

No, rustoleum is really awful. Krylon at least has an archival line, so you have better hope from them.

[sudden notch]

Hmm might have to set an order. Got parts for 5 more assault marines here

[plush swift]

They can cause problems with a lot of pigments, and it's not a rusting issue it's a magnetic issue.

[plush swift]

I have a link to an etsy page that makes bits for warhammer

A lot of pigments are magnetic, and I'm not talking about metallics

Glass also tends to shatter a lot and doesn't give you a good surface for mixing

[sudden notch]

I think once i collect courage to trust a new site ill make second assault marine group with double flamers

[atomic rose]

How about the vortex shakers? Are those any good?

[jaunty trail]

noice

[plush swift]

I'll have a vortex mixer video coming actually, but it's 2 years in the making. The short answer is they can work, but not as well as people think and there is a lot of misunderstanding about how they work. Like some people think that you can only use them on airbrush paint, because something like normal citadel is too thick and it won't mix

I don't think that there are good hobby investment because of how expensive they are currently

If they were 20 to $30 they would be fine, but with a lot of them approaching $100 now including the rip-off brand ones, It's just not worth buying

[atomic rose]

I've seen people use cheapo nail polish shakers instead of proper vortex mixers.

[plush swift]

Cheapo nail polish shakers a lot of them are the same thing as of vortex mixer, Even those are getting really expensive

Some of them are really cheap though and okay

[atomic rose]

I see some for about ~25€. Seems reasonable enough if you are lazy to handshake.

[plush swift]

And that's also kind of my problem with them, you can actually get a better mix by hand shaking a lot of the time

I know I picked one up because I heard somebody say that they revolutionized pain and how they completely change their mind on how paint works

I used it for about 6 months, and every time i was like "this changed nothing, this guy clearly wasn't even mixing his paints before"

[atomic rose]

I guess it might be worth it if you paint a lot and use a lot of paints.

[plush swift]

Possibly. But a soft bodied acrylic is roughly the same thing and doesn't need to be mixed, so you have extra options for laziness

It's a lot of math involved with figuring out if they are right for you

[atomic rose]

I mean I don't painf often and when I do, I somewhat limit the number of paints I use, so I am fine doing it the old-fashioned way. But 20-30 bucks does not seem that steep if you paint a lot or have a disability that prevents you from shaking the bottles.

[plush swift]

If you have a disability that's another story

But that's always the case with disabilities

Like I made a rig to shake paints up because I can throw out my back from shaking if I'm not wearing my brace

[atomic rose]

A rug? How does that work?

[plush swift]

Autocorrect

[atomic rose]

Ah. Makes sense.

[plush swift]

Gotta like getting your spine broken in 8 places by the Vatican.

[atomic rose]

Wait a minute, that sounds like a story I kinda want to hear more about.

[plush swift]

I was there during college, One of the priests they are push me down a flight of stairs because I was to satanic and unholy

[atomic rose]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-gif-25739098

[plush swift]

Yeah it was a whole thing, did get to meet the Pope though. He's actually a very nice guy, we don't agree on a lot of things but that's absolutely fine.

[atomic rose]

I am not sure 8 spinal fractures are worth meeting the pope. Were there any consequences for the priest?

[plush swift]

Excommunication and assault chargea

[pastel grotto]

Wtf happened to #40k-minis-and-armies

Posting tyranid warrior

[plush swift]

Yay. Nids

[atomic rose]

All right, at least something.

[floral wind]

https://tenor.com/view/the-backyardigans-uh-bugspray-bugspray-bug-repellent-spray-gif-21613983

Nids are just pointy cockroaches

[plush swift]

I think you mean nids are the most physically attractive

[pastel grotto]

Nids are wild

Tyranids be like

[plush swift]

*yes daddy space bug, hit me harder which your big throbbing whip"

youre welcome for that image

[pine yacht]

🥹

[plush swift]

my new paints come in today

lots of brands I dont have for testing

[sterile grail]

looking good so far

[bold copper]

i love these

[atomic rose]

Hydra dominatus.

[marsh nimbus]

I just looked up the price for a Mortarion model and Holy Emperor on Terra, it's a lot of money that I don't have.

[atomic rose]

Welcome to the world of plastic crack.

[marsh nimbus]

The Nurgle Primarch version is $160, the non-Nurgle version is $115.

Not to mention paint is 8 fucking bucks.

Or what I think is paint.

[calm rapids]

If I wanted to get into minis wheres a good place to start? And where can I find games to play?

[brisk vapor]

local hobby store if you have one

[calm rapids]

I might? If I do its a really small hole in the wall store

[marsh nimbus]

It's painful cause I just want Mortarion to have him as like, a shelf-piece, yknow?

[pastel grotto]

$500 for 15 horses on forge world

[marsh nimbus]

Oh my god.

[plush swift]

you dont need mini paints just go with student grade fluid acrylics, same thing but 1/4th the price. You can also look for soft bodied acrylics. also most people dont know what paint is

[marsh nimbus]

I wonder if the Mort models come pre painted?

[plush swift]

no

but you can hire someone to paint them for you

its just expensive

[marsh nimbus]

On top of the 160?

[plush swift]

I'm considered cheap and it would still start at 400 in labor costs

[marsh nimbus]

What the fuck.

[plush swift]

its a lot of hours man

mortarian is around 20 hours to assemble and paint to a not shit standard

[marsh nimbus]

I guess that’s fair.

[plush swift]

most people with less education and experience will also charge way more too

last mortarian I did sold for around 8k on auction

plastic is expensive to paint up after all

you dont pay for just the time, but all the years of education and experience one has had to do

you can also get mortarian for around $120 from hobby stores

If you want to do it yourself, I can share a ton of cost cutting measures with you

and I mean a lot, some tools though wont exactly be the cheapest thing, but they save you a lot of time and give you better results

[marsh nimbus]

Well, like, there's two versions of Mort that GW sells.

Non-Nurgle and Nurgle.

[plush swift]

Yeah horus heresy and 40k

[marsh nimbus]

Yep.

[plush swift]

the horus heresy one is resin and if you're new, I wouldnt recommend it

[marsh nimbus]

HH is 115, I think.

[plush swift]

GW resin is absolute dogwater

[marsh nimbus]

Yeah, HH is the $115 one, 40K is $160.

[plush swift]

its so bad, that some primers can cause it to degrade

[jagged sparrow]

Anyone else see the citadel paints giveaway.

[marsh nimbus]

Oh, and let's not forget the Chosen of Mortarion.

$65.

[plush swift]

those are different to mortarion

[plush swift]

no

[jagged sparrow]

GW is doing a giveaway to 5 people that sub to Warhammer+

Of literally every citadel paint and tool

[atomic rose]

Lol, imagine subbing to WH+

[jagged sparrow]

Warhammer+ subscription though

Ew

[plush swift]

Im not subbing to WH+ ever

I also despise GW tools and dont really have a good opinion of their paints

[jagged sparrow]

They push that shit sooooo hard

[atomic rose]

Even if it came with their entire mini catalogue, I wouldn't.

[plush swift]

They push WH+ because its what the investors wanted and its tanking hard

[marsh nimbus]

I know the Chosen are different from Mort, but it would be cool to have them along with Mort to put on my shelf.

[jagged sparrow]

Wonder how much money it’s lost them

[marsh nimbus]

Didn't they hire the guy who did Astartes?

[plush swift]

yes

[jagged sparrow]

Yeah

[atomic rose]

Probably not that much actualy. People forgot really quickly...

[plush swift]

but then they locked astartes behind the paywall

I think its free to view now

WH+ shouldnt be a paid service, thats them trying hard to turn 40k into a monthly sub service

[plush swift]

the stock hasnt recovered from it still

[marsh nimbus]

Literally trying to go the way of Disney+ and everything else.

[plush swift]

Their literal best option was to turn these shorts into advertisement to drive more engagement

[marsh nimbus]

Exactly.

[plush swift]

but the investors dont want that because it hurts short term gains, which is all investors want

[marsh nimbus]

Just make YT ads being like, "Hey, look at what our community has made."

And then show a clip.

[plush swift]

I own a decent chuck of GW stock and been to the investor meetings before

its always a shit show of people who know zero about it

I brought this up in an investor meeting before and several investors told me that "they wouldnt see profits soon enough"

[marsh nimbus]

I assume that you don't have a strong push at your disposal for those meetings.

[plush swift]

and I had to remind them that stocks are supposed to be a volatile investment

[marsh nimbus]

Wait, how many percent is "decent chunk"?

[plush swift]

strong enough I get invited, not strong enough to have any say over the hedge fund manager who owns 5%

I own almost 0.1%

[marsh nimbus]

Ah.

I mean, with stock tanking as it is, surely buying more is easier?

[plush swift]

which is a lot considering the highest share holder owns 5%

[marsh nimbus]

I don't know enough about white collar happenings to understand how these things work.

[plush swift]

I barely know myself, i invested in it after I had a virologist scream at me about super bugs at the end of 2019

turns out it was a solid investment

I got my return back quickly too

[marsh nimbus]

Nice, nice.

[plush swift]

my boss fucking had a shit fit though since I sunk a ton of company funds into buying it

[marsh nimbus]

I mean, that's understandable.

[plush swift]

his fault for saying "here do what you want with these funds, just dont make it entirely personal"

[marsh nimbus]

I still don't understand why they went so close-chested with their IP.

[plush swift]

because of how IP laws work

Art IP laws are so widely misunderstood by lawyers too that GW keeps trying to say they own an art style, which they cant

if this was the case, then eavy metal wouldnt be categorized as a derivative or a pastiche

[marsh nimbus]

Iirc, didn't it go so far that if you had the Space Marine shoulder things, you could get slammed by GW?

[plush swift]

yes, chapterhouse lawsuit

[marsh nimbus]

That's around the time I realized that GW is a bunch of man-babies.

[plush swift]

GW claimed they owned greek letters and upsilon

[marsh nimbus]

And you know what, I will freely talk shit about GW cause what're they gonna do, not sell me their overpriced pieces of plastic?

[plush swift]

they also DMCA'd a book from before 40k existed called space marine

multiple courts have told GW that Space marine was too generic of a term

[marsh nimbus]

Exactly.

[jagged sparrow]

It’s such a default term idk how anyone could assume they could copyright it

[marsh nimbus]

Cause aren't the Space Force technically Space Marines?

[atomic rose]

Which is why they name everything in "latin" now

[marsh nimbus]

They gonna sue the federal gov't for that?

[jagged sparrow]

I keep forgetting they exist

[marsh nimbus]

So does everyone else, don't worry.

[jagged sparrow]

But yeah. Technically if the space force had marines. I would bet my life savings they’d be called space marines

[plush swift]

they would be

I want GW to sue the US government just so they can get fucked in court because of the amount of laws they break for consumer goods

[marsh nimbus]

Abso-fucking-lutely.

I want them to get absolutely slammed by the federal government.

Maybe then the GW manbabies will grow up.

[jagged sparrow]

Or get some creativity

[plush swift]

I blame hasbrah

[marsh nimbus]

GW didn't win that, right?

[plush swift]

not entirely, they only won a small part of it

[marsh nimbus]

That part being?

[plush swift]

the fact chapterhouse was outright saying "these are for WH40k salamanders" and things like that

its stuff like that they won

[marsh nimbus]

Wait, so they did technically break IP rules?

[plush swift]

They did on some levels

not on every level

[marsh nimbus]

What was this suit even about anyways?

A game?

[plush swift]

IP infringement

[marsh nimbus]

Okay, but where?

[jagged sparrow]

But what were they claiming it was

Like in a game or like modifications for minis

[marsh nimbus]

Like, was it for models, was it in a game they made?

[plush swift]

Finding that the plaintiff "could not base its copyright claim on a depiction of an "X" or a chevron alone, [but] its depiction of an original, creative shoulder pad with a distinctive color scheme is sufficient to satisfy the originality requirement"

Summary of this case from Design Ideas, Ltd. v. Meijer, Inc.
Granting summary judgment on an ITRPA trademark dilution claim where plaintiff failed to present any evidence that defendant “diluted [plaintiff's] marks through its use of them”

Summary of this case from Doctor's Data, Inc. v. Barrett

[marsh nimbus]

So, they made a model that looked like it had stuff from 40K models, is that what happened?

[plush swift]

they made shoulderpads and things

basically bits for 40k

[jagged sparrow]

I’m guessing for minis

[plush swift]

so the reason why you dont see many stls with colors on them is because of that case

[jagged sparrow]

Like how GW sells upgrade kits and such so you can put BA specific shoulder pads on basic marines

Oooooo

[marsh nimbus]

Wait, THAT'S what got them in trouble?

The coloring on the plates?

[plush swift]

yes, its the combination of designs and color

[jagged sparrow]

On a 3D model?

[marsh nimbus]

Pauldrons, whatever they're called.

[plush swift]

court case calls them shoulder pads because GW tried to claim they owned the word pauldron

[jagged sparrow]

HAHAHA

[marsh nimbus]

No they fucking don't.

[jagged sparrow]

no. Just no

[marsh nimbus]

No way in sam hell they own the word "Pauldron".

[jagged sparrow]

You can’t own the word pauldron

[marsh nimbus]

You can't own a WORD.

[plush swift]

They also claimed they owned the greek alphabet

[jagged sparrow]

That’s a super common term

[plush swift]

actually you can

[jagged sparrow]

I mean you can

[marsh nimbus]

You can't own the FUCKING GREEK ALPHABET.

[jagged sparrow]

Like lightsaber is copyrighted

[marsh nimbus]

What about Light Saber?

Is that an infringement?

[plush swift]

lightsaber is but light saber is too generic

[marsh nimbus]

What the hell is wrong with GW.

[plush swift]

because it can refer to a saber made of light or a saber made of light materials

[jagged sparrow]

One space bar makes a difference

[plush swift]

its the investors

[jagged sparrow]

Exactly. But Lightsaber is a specific term used by SW

[marsh nimbus]

I'd understand it if GW created the word "Pauldron", but they didn't.

[jagged sparrow]

They didn’t invent lasgun either

Came from Dune

[plush swift]

yep and disney doesnt really go after people often for it

[plush swift]

so did the majority of the 40 universe

[marsh nimbus]

Humanity is a curse.

[edgy jackal]

I guess that's why GW went and renamed most of their armies to specific, less generic terms, so they could establish IP easier.

[plush swift]

this is exactly the reason

[marsh nimbus]

I wonder how much money GW paid their lawyers to come up with all this.

[jagged sparrow]

It’s weird for as greedy a company Disney is. They at least understand fans using your ip to make their own stuff more often than not leads to your IP’s growth

Most of the time they allow it

[marsh nimbus]

Or at least just make it happen.

[atomic rose]

Yup, Sisters of battle just was not copyrightable enough. Behold, Adepta sororitas

[marsh nimbus]

You know, maybe I won't give GW my money...

[plush swift]

a lot more money than it saved them

[plush swift]

just buy an stl and a printer, wouldnt cost that much more than a mortarian anyways

[jagged sparrow]

My guess is they’ve probably lost a good chunk of money from people never finding 40K BECAUSE there are no more fan animations and such

[marsh nimbus]

That's kinda fair, but I have 0 money.

Like, three bucks in my pocket and that's for lunch today.

[plush swift]

sounds like you need to sue people for some money

[marsh nimbus]

I won't stoop to that low of a level for money.

[plush swift]

I will but I work in fine art so i'm already below that level of petty

[marsh nimbus]

To be fair, as an artist your only other option would be commissions.

[plush swift]

No commissions are a side hustle

I make paint and products for restoration and conservation

[marsh nimbus]

Oh.

[plush swift]

I'm a failed chemist

[jagged sparrow]

Waltuh white

[plush swift]

on occasion I do consulting for both though

[plush swift]

the majority of the comments on my YT are calling me jesse

[atomic rose]

Pretty much any company will use it's influence to bully their competition. Often even when the law is not on their side with intention to bleed the other side out of money via lenghty court process.

[plush swift]

thats why brusa doesnt want to continue TTS

he's on the right side of the law, but GW has gone after companies and small creators for similar things in the past

[marsh nimbus]

It really sucks that that's where we've ended up at.

[atomic rose]

It's not just GW, any company really. Buy whatever you want, but never fall under the impression the company won't slice your throat for a petty change. Because they have and they always will.

[marsh nimbus]

It's things like that that make me want to either try and make a company, or try and become the head of a company.

Cause a company by the consumers, in the consumers best interests should be successful, no?

But that leads into the problem of power corrupting, which leads into this situation here.

[atomic rose]

That is fine an all as long as you have a business located in your garage, possibly up to few locations within the country level. Once you go above that, you'll need money which will unfortunately come from the pockets of investors. And those investors are not giving them to you because they are interested in your company. They will always demand you to exploit someone and something to get extra money. After all, they gave money with intention to make it back and get even more.

[marsh nimbus]

Which sadly leads into a loop of exploiting and outrage.

[atomic rose]

I did join the boycott on GW and I am still holding on to it, but the longer it goes, the more I realize the only person I am hurting is actualy me. Because there are some models I want that I can't get anywhere else. And they do not need my money. Majority of the boycotters gave up on it the minute GW released a new shiny box.

[jagged sparrow]

Has GW even been enforcing their no fan animations policy?

Cause I’ve been seeing stuff pop up every now and then

[marsh nimbus]

I mean, I’d assume so.

[atomic rose]

I have branched out, I got a printer and I am getting cool minis that way, but I started my hobbying with the intention of having a named space marine character from every one of the original 18 legions. And the shelf I reserved for that looks very empty. So I have bought Tor Garadon recently. I'll probably only buy the models to finish that project, but the point I am trying to make...every company is shit, by not getting stuff you desperatly want, you are only hurting yourself.

[atomic rose]

They are actualy not enforcing it, at least not to a brutal level. The problem is they have not stated they won't enforce it. Meaning that if you do try to make a project, you never know if their lawyers won't be knocking on your door 5 minutes later with a C&D letter. Some of those fan projects take hundreds of hours a cost a bunch of money. Quite an investment to make on uncertainty.

[marsh nimbus]

And this where being too stubborn for your own good comes in.

[jagged sparrow]

Yeah. Like TTS. Which probably won’t come back until the rule is officially repealed

[atomic rose]

Bruva even stated himself that even if they change the policy, he likely won't be returning to TTS. At least not full time, since other IPs welcomed him with open arms and he does not want to close that door.

[jagged sparrow]

Yeah. It’s a real shame honestly.

TTS was amazing

[marsh nimbus]

Speaking of Bruva, does he voice anyone in The Hunter?

[atomic rose]

I don't think he ever voiced anyone, has he? He was a writer, leaving VA to others.

[marsh nimbus]

Maybe, idk.

[atomic rose]

I only remember him as the fucking genestealer goblin from that one orkz episode of Warhams.

[jagged sparrow]

I think he’s mainly done script and editing

As far as I know

[plush swift]

The IP I'm the art director of is wanting to actively pay him if he decides to do any fan animations consistently of the project once its released

cant discus what the IP is or anything about it yet though

the owner is a weird chemist who wants to save the planet, yet has zero idea how to run a successful company

[marsh nimbus]

But is it successful?

[plush swift]

we havent released anything

[marsh nimbus]

Also, isn’t that what advisors for?

[plush swift]

I'm the advisor for everything at this point

[jagged sparrow]

Is it Jesse

Weird chemist. Doesn’t know how to run a business

[marsh nimbus]

Jesse, we need to cook, Jesse.

[plush swift]

I have never seen breaking bad

[marsh nimbus]

Good.

Cause I haven’t either.

[plush swift]

so those references confuse me all the time

[jagged sparrow]

Neither have I

[plush swift]

its 99% of my comment section and I didnt know who jesse was until like a month ago

[marsh nimbus]

Basically, Jesse helps Waltuh cook meth.

[plush swift]

I know that now

[jagged sparrow]

Waltuh

[plush swift]

Ive never seen the show because I have to fight off meth addicts near my house and building a lot

[jagged sparrow]

We need to cook Waltuh

[plush swift]

like last week I had one who broke into the basement to try and steal my bike then tried to stab me with a plastic fork

[marsh nimbus]

This is why we have concealed carry laws.

[plush swift]

I have a concealed carry permit

[marsh nimbus]

I believe if they’re on your land and threaten you, you can blast ‘em.

[plush swift]

not in my state

more so my city

[marsh nimbus]

Maybe it’s an Arkansas thing, I dunno.

[plush swift]

I live in the south too

but I'm in NC so we have a lot of confusing laws

[marsh nimbus]

Arkansas is also a constitutional carry state.

[plush swift]

I really dont like arkansas for a lot of reasons

[marsh nimbus]

I don’t like it either.

I wanna go back to Alaska.

[plush swift]

mainly their insistence on how they pronounce the states name

its Ar Kan sas

and we all know its true

[atomic rose]

Arkansaux

[grizzled jolt]

Where's all the pictures of minis?

[atomic rose]

We ran out. We just ranting now.

[grizzled jolt]

Fun

[plush swift]

we got caught up complaining about GW prices after giving painting advice

[grizzled jolt]

Fair enough I'm in

[marsh nimbus]

It’s also illegal to mispronounce the name of the state of Arkansas.

[jagged sparrow]

Ark ansas

[plush swift]

I will nuke arkansas like I will ohio if they dont watch their tongues

[marsh nimbus]

It’s also legal to switch your wife.

I dunno if I can use the B word here or not.

But it has to be on the courthouse steps at noon on a Sunday with at least fifty people watching.

[severe citrus]

I have a question about painting if anyone can answer it. I’m really new to the hobby and my ability to paint and knowledge on which to pick is pretty meh at times. Is there a safe way to remove paint on a miniature to repaint it without damaging the mini?

[plush swift]

yes many ways

the chemicals all depend on your country though

[severe citrus]

I’m in the US

[atomic rose]

Depends on the material the mini is made out of. Pewter can handle quite a bit. Resin and plastic not so much. But you can find paint removers even for those.

[plush swift]

LA's totally awesome. I use it to strip paint off everything

unless its resin

resin can be tricky

LA's works on resin but you have to be very careful

[severe citrus]

It’s a Warhammer, gamesworkshop mini so I’m pretty sure it’s plastic?

Idk I could be totally wrong

[plush swift]

some GW things are resin

most are plastic

you'd know its resin if the sprue looks like it came from a nightmare fever

[severe citrus]

Yeah then it’s plastic

I’m considering using nail polish remover since it’s something I have on hand, but idk if it would fuck up the plastic. I’m sure there’s better options but I’m strapped for cash currently.

[atomic rose]

That will definitely fuck up your plastic. Learned that the hard way.

[plush swift]

Nail polish remover is acetone

acetone is what your plastic glue is basically

[severe citrus]

Thank you for your sacrifice my friend

[plush swift]

not really, most cases its butyl acetate with maybe some cyclohexane

LA's totally awesome can be found at dollar tree

for around a dollar

or two

[severe citrus]

Good to know

[plush swift]

IPA is what some people suggest but it doesnt work that well and can degrade the PS GW uses

[severe citrus]

Does it work with contrast paint? I’m realizing I hate how it looks since I’m more into the process of the painting and I don’t like it being done for me

[plush swift]

yes, contrast paint is just ink in some glaze medium

and glaze medium is just a slow drying fluid acrylic medium

hence why they also call it an autoleveling medium in some countries

[severe citrus]

Hooray my little Blood Angel boys don’t have to look slightly off anymore!

[plush swift]

if you need help with any of the paint chemistry stuff just ping me, its sort of my job

[deft fable]

love this beer type

[severe citrus]

Thanks so much!

[plush swift]

Stout is the king of beers, i will fight you over this

[plush swift]

no problem

[distant sundial]

Painting up the bois

[distant sundial]

I use isopropyl alcohol to remove acrylic paint from my plastic minis when I need to, let them soak for 15-20 minutes then it comes right off with a toothbrush without any damage

[severe citrus]

That’s just standard rubbing alcohol, right? (Excuse my ignorance I just wanna be sure)

[distant sundial]

Correct

[dry torrent]

Why is so oily?

[sudden notch]

could you kindly provide to me that link?

[plush swift]

Just be very careful with this because there is a lot of different acrylic polymers in miniature paints that will actually create very toxic gases with this, Also not all acrylic polymers are susceptible to this this includes miniature paint. It is actually suboptimal to use this, I'm a paint manufacturer and I'm telling you this. Also games workshop polystyrene is in fact damaged by isopropyl alcohol, It creates a molecular bond destabilization that will over time create plastic fatigue and cause more problems. Different temperatures will also affect this to not work at all, there's in fact certain things like Vallejo primers if you try to strip them off when the temperature is not correctly it will actually bond to the polystyrene and make it near impossible to actually be removed.

It's just like how Prussian blue, a pigment used in medicine to treat radiation poisoning and heavy metal poisoning, If you heat it up for too long, it'll create cyanide gas.

[jaunty trail]

Done with Bayards revenge.