40k-minis-and-armies

[limber widget]

I needed to buy new ones

Some of them were dry up and hardend

[deft fable]

I'm not satisfied with the head I put too much layers of contrast

But I'm proud of my first mini

[hard sand]

still 500% better then any of my death guard

gj

the mold line remover is the worst GW product still being sold to this day lmao

[hazy meadow]

Also miles better than my first..I’ll send the second attempt later tonight but it’s still way better than that’ll be

Mainly due to the green I used because my death guard green hasn’t come in yet but everything else you also did cleaner

[plush swift]

I may may gone off the deep end

Heres a mix of my finished and unfinished models

[azure fulcrum]

No Slaaneshussy in your chaos forces?

0/10

[white shore]

Done

Wish me luck lads

[azure fulcrum]

Interesting to start out with Firstborn loyalists over Primaris, most newcomers from what I know choose the latter, or kind of get steered towards it

I respect that choice

[plush swift]

Nah slaanesh is my bf I'm a khorne worshipper

[azure fulcrum]

Slaanesh needs more players so we can get more attention from GW

buy some daemonettes damnit

[plush swift]

But daddy khorne would be upsettie

[white shore]

Any tips on assembling and painting my first ever tactical squad minis ?

Should I purchase a model holder ? To make painting easier?

[azure fulcrum]

you can make your own with a block of wood or a paint pot and some tack

things you want are a hobby knife, make sure to get spare blades, afaik you want a new blade for every new kit you assemble, get some cheap nail files and get a pair of model clippers so you dont cut your fingers open getting bits off the sprue

make sure to use plastic glue and not superglue unless you are working with resin models because plastic glue breaks down the plastic its applied to allowing it to bond easier and stronger, and then also clean up your mold lines

[white shore]

What is the hobby knife for ?

Thanks heaps

[tight pumice]

scraping mould lines and cleaning up what the clippers didnt cut

the little sanding sticks from most hobby shops are AMAZING for cleaning up minis

[white shore]

Perfect

[limber widget]

Nice

[limber widget]

I see that your bf is a fellow slaanesh fan

https://tenor.com/view/vergilsmile-vergil-vergil-dmc-vergil-devil-may-cry-vergil-dmc5-gif-24388059

He made a good decision of being part of the dark prince army

[hazy meadow]

@deft fable here’s my second attempt at painting..main issue I think is the green being blotchy and the wrong color for that matter

I do like how the flail turned out though

[muted token]

I'll be real

Death guard are meant to look kinda gross

https://preview.redd.it/h510pz39hvw81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=224fa8569c6c3fcf3f0c90c4bd9d580995fcb2fe

Like those are my poxwalkers

Well, that's a test model

[hazy meadow]

Yea maybe changing the green will do that a little bit. And I have my rot coming in but it isn’t here yet

[muted token]

They're kind of meant to look a little fucked

[hazy meadow]

What could I do to the model I just made to show that more? All feedback is welcome because I’m obviously new

I tried to make the intestines a little bruised, and some oxide in places but not sure what else I could do

[muted token]

A bit of a wash maybe to bring out the detail

Slap some shading into it

[hazy meadow]

I did druchii on the intestines, but my agrax is still shipping. Would nuln work?

[muted token]

Maybe the fleshy wash on the intestines etc and then a sort of black/green one on the armour

Okay, I have to tell you a story about my nuln oil

I bought, quite literally

4 litres of nuln oil at the start of lockdown

I use it for literally everything

[hazy meadow]

[muted token]

It's pretty much my favourite paint, used correctly it will just make almost anything look better

Just slap it on the armour and it will bring out some detail lines

[hazy meadow]

Awesome, could I also paint death guard green over this green when it comes in to get it looking more nurgle? Or will that be too cakey

[muted token]

If it's thinned properly

Paint is only really gloopy when it's painted on thick

I'm a very mediocre painter so I use largely contrast paints

and my models still look at least, decent

[hazy meadow]

Gotcha thanks. Yea I bought mostly contrast but even with using medium or making sure my brush is using barely enough I still end up blotchy with most of them

[muted token]

https://www.reddit.com/r/orks/comments/urmskf/i_wish_i_was_a_punk_rorker/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Like that's my custom warboss

[hazy meadow]

Namely the green, I don’t think the flail ended up blotchy but I also tried to blend that into other colors

[muted token]

95% contrast paints

5% nuln oil, old gold and gunmetal from vallejo

Fkin

Love that model

[hazy meadow]

Thank you! Can I ask if my model is pretty much trash or if it’s not too abhorrent? Or if anything else that’s blaring as bad besides lack of grime and the green

[muted token]

I mean

Maybe it's just too, bright? for how I usually do death guard

Like the flail and head spike might be more silver than iron

And the crotch cloth and the tentacles being the same colour kind of confuses my brain?

It's largely personal nitpicks

But, as always, it's YOUR model

[hazy meadow]

This is obviously probably professional and I didn't do much besides guessing which paints are what but this is the color I was trying to base my army off of

[muted token]

If you like it like that, genuinely fuck what I think

Oh then your cloth purple is genuinely too bright

that morty has a dark purple cloth

yours is kinda pinky

[hazy meadow]

Oh supposedly there isn't a crotch cloth, its just tentacles and wiring from what the box shows, but its a bit cakey to tell the detail behind it

[muted token]

Smack some more druuchi on that

Is it?

I've not actually painted a GW model in years

[plush swift]

the lighting is throwing off the colors a lot

[muted token]

#3dPrintingBitch

[hazy meadow]

I THINK but I cant really tell either tbh

[muted token]

Yeah no you're right it's intestines

[hazy meadow]

My camera is largely just shit but maybe the flash made it a little brighter than it actually is idk

[muted token]

Much like one of my exes said about me

"Girl you look better in the dark"

[hazy meadow]

Appreciate all the help, gonna see how I can improve the next one!

[muted token]

I'd usually recommend against using a flash for miniature photography

[plush swift]

I would avoid direct lighting as a whole if you're using contrast paints as they reflect a lot of light

[muted token]

Just point a lamp at it or something

[hazy meadow]

He has been nuln’d

[turbid meadow]

My 2nd Skitarii Ranger came out pretty well methinks

[muted token]

Mars is more orange than that

[turbid meadow]

Does anyone have suggestions for dealing with the seam line in the cloak though

[muted token]

The planet not the uniform

[turbid meadow]

I don't own orange or yellow :(

[muted token]

Oh

Whaaat do you earn

earn? own

[turbid meadow]

Heheheheh

[muted token]

Because if you have a light brown, white and red you can make a pretty good mars earth colour

[turbid meadow]

Im newer to 40k, started a week or two ago?

[muted token]

Sort of a 3B1W1R mix

Oh I've been doing it for like 17 years

[turbid meadow]

Neat.

[muted token]

You're still painting more confidently than me

[turbid meadow]

I'm thinking of getting more paints, and brushes. When I went to the store they didn't have a lot of the "main" paints the guy said most people use

[muted token]

Main paints is gunmetal and black

As far as I'm concerned, if you're doing skitarii there's probably no point in you owning a flesh colour for example

Which is core for someone who does say, sisters

and has lots of lewd chainsaw ladies to paint

[turbid meadow]

Mhm, I bought a flesh tone since I wanted to try helmetless space marines, and my buddy who got into 40k at the same time is doing sisters, so we share paints

[muted token]

My point still stands

My friend plays necrons and owns exactly Leadbelcher, Black, Green, Gold and Nuln oil

But yeah, if you mix like 3 parts a light khaki like brown, maybe 1 or less white and small amounts of red

You can make a super nice Mars Dust kinda orangey brown

[azure fulcrum]

meanwhile im starting a slaaneshi chaos space marine/traitor guard army that is going to use a glamrock/punk style requiring me to basically own every shade of paint known to man

[muted token]

That sounds

Genuinely amazing, like hair metal?

[azure fulcrum]

yes

expect space marines and traitor guards wearing leopard and tiger print en masse

and VERY BIG hair.

[muted token]

Noise marines blasting "Talk dirty to me"

[azure fulcrum]

My armies themesong shall be Gay Bar by Electric Six.

[muted token]

fun fact

The uncensored version of that song is super rare

[azure fulcrum]

Its a bit of a weird censor but iirc there was a legitimate reason behind it

the uncensored version is on spotify though

[muted token]

Same thing as censoring uh.... Teenage dirtbag

[azure fulcrum]

which i am now going to listen to

[muted token]

The uncensored one on youtube has the video tho

[azure fulcrum]

Huh, interestingly enough their most popular song on Spotify is actually Danger! High Voltage

although it is an equally good song

[muted token]

How high is dance commander

[azure fulcrum]

5th

[muted token]

I don't use spotify so kinda curious

Hm, what's 3 and 4?

[azure fulcrum]

1: High Voltage - 37 million
2: Gay Bar - 29 million
3: Down at McDonaldz - 6.7 million
4: Synthesizer - 5.2 million
5: Dance Commander 6.2 million

dont ask me how Synthesizer is higher

[muted token]

But dc has more listens than..

what

[azure fulcrum]

idk mang thats just how it reads

[muted token]

Yeah, little odd but ok

[atomic rose]

You can just scrape it off with the back of a hobby knife or sand it with a sandpaper or a sanding stick and then repaint the area. You generaly want to remove moldlines before painting.

[turbid meadow]

I did that, I meant the seam where the two pieces attach. Do I just need to fill it in with a modeling adhesive maybe?

Eh, I'll figure it out. Maybe I'll buy a modeling clay thing

[atomic rose]

Smaller gaps will be filled, if you use plastic glue properly. Larger gaps you can fill with greenstuff/miliput or similar products.

[muted token]

Is 120 poxwalkers too many for a 2k terminus est list

9 deathshrouds, 10 blightlords

[median jackal]

Painting question, I accidentally bought the airbrush version of paints I was going to use for a edge highlight, would it still work?

[atomic rose]

Depends on you patience. Airbrush paints tend to be thinner and less opaque. Both being a quality you do not really want for edge highlights, since you do not want to do more than one layer of them. You may need to do more than one coat of edge highlights, which will likely result in mess. It will still work for volumetric highlights. Most stores will generaly allow you to return the paint tho, as long as it's unopened and you buy the paint you actualy want.

[median jackal]

Gotcha, thanks!

[mint dove]

So if I'm painting an Ultramarine I should only need Blue,Black,Gold,White,Red and Gunmetal paint yes? Blue for the armor, black for the recessed parts, gold for the imp eagle and shoulder armor lining, red and white for the purity seals and gunmetal for the weapons?

[plush swift]

purity seals dont need anything specific

[mint dove]

Ahh okay, but other than that it should be fine with those?

This will be my first foray into warhammer tabletop and minis in general

I'm a plamo vet but gundam is more my style

[muted token]

Yeah probably

I'd get a parchment tan colour for purity seals though if that matters to you

And the red is good for like, lieutenant helmets and crap, pretty sure those are red

[mint dove]

I think it comes with that let me check

[mint dove]

Would mixing citadel and vallejo colors cause any problems? I want to use vallejo to paint but the washes I need I can only find the citadel variant

[prime scarab]

zandri dust and ushabti bone works for purity seal parchment colors

with a touch of agrax or nuln oil if you wanna make it dirty

[mint dove]

Noice I got both of those purity seal colors. Looking forward to giving it a shot,hoping i don't fuck up

[atomic rose]

You can mix them just fine. You can also make your own washes by dilluting normal paint with water. It will behave very similarly.

[plush swift]

no issue, vallejo uses a PU medium and citadel is just house paint without an alkyd additive. The only things you cant mix are a few pigments due to pH reasons, and oils with acrylics. You also cant use a brush that was used with oils with acrylics or put any form of acrylic over an oil

[plush swift]

only issue with making washes from hobby paint is all the chalk in them which can flake off after a few years, plus the opacity can do things unintended sometimes

Most acrylics can me mixed without worry though, not all but most. The majority are polyvinyl alcohol, some add in a bit of PVA or PVB too

[left egret]

Happy new year. I dedicate this year to the Iron Warriors.

[mint dove]

I dedicate this year to the ultra marines because just like me they're kinds boring but everyone still likes them

[plush swift]

I dont know anyone who actually likes them

everyone I know sighs in frustration anytime they hear their name because of GWs fixation on them and ignoring other chapters like iron hands

[brisk vapor]

I like them

• blue is fun to paint

[atomic rose]

I like them as well. Organisation, discipline and no weird quirks are what you want from future super soldiers.

[brisk vapor]

pretty much, and Guilliman is great

[atomic rose]

Like...do I really want to give this planet cracking weaponry to people who regularly posion themselves with promethium just because they want to feel drunk or a bunch of wanabee vampires who can't recognize friends and civies from enemy occasionaly?

[edgy jackal]

In one of the deathwatch novels the ultramarine has a weird complex about not being the leader of the group, so they do seem to have a sense of elitism, even among other space marines.

[atomic rose]

Thinking themselves better than anyone else is literaly the basis of every fucking chapter.

Every single space marine thinks they are the best thing since sliced bread.

[plush swift]

Not iron hands, they are superior to every other chapter

Flesh is weak

[brisk vapor]

too bad they have barely any lore/stories about them so not much to like

but they are nice yes

[plush swift]

Yeah that's because everything is ultramarines

which is my biggest issue with them, they are the poster boys and I want other chapters to be front and center for some time

[atomic rose]

Ultramarines are just getting a lot of bad rep because of Matt Ward

[brisk vapor]

well not really, other chapters have plenty of stories as well, Iron Hands have pretty much the least out of all the founding and successor chapters that have had any attention

[plush swift]

I mean his writing was hit or miss

He made named necrons, but he also wrote a lot of stupid things

Iron hands need more stories as a whole

[brisk vapor]

yeah and getting miffed about Ward's writing 15 years after the fact is wack

[plush swift]

I'm still mad about how mass effect 3 ended

Don't kink shame me

[brisk vapor]

I will

[plush swift]

Don't because that's also my kink

[brisk vapor]

[plush swift]

Being kinked shamed for my bad opinions is hot

[atomic rose]

A lot of hatred began back then. Now a lot of people have just been hating Ultramarines for a decade and have not bothered to check their more recent stuff. And they are venting that sentiment openly and a lot of new people in the hobby see "Ultramarines bad" everywhere, accepting that sentiment as a fact. Matt Ward did lasting damage to the chapter he seemed to love so much.

[brisk vapor]

even newer people to the setting hate on them just because the internet told them to

[atomic rose]

Resurrected Guilliman with his Ultra-depression is just incredibly fun.

[plush swift]

There are better shades of ultramarine than just the one people keep calling cobalt blue which it isn't cobalt at all

Look at all the shades of ultramarine

The one in the middle is clearly a superior form

[atomic rose]

That looks purple to me

[brisk vapor]

the one on it's right is probably the 'official' tone

[plush swift]

It's dark red shade ultramarine blue

[atomic rose]

I like the 4th roww, 3rd from the left

[brisk vapor]

45090

[plush swift]

They've used 8 shades of ultramarine and 2 shades of phthalo blue for them over the years

Mordian blue was phthalo blue red shade

Way more vibrant than what ever mccragge blue is

And that's why I hate ultramarines, mccragge blue is ugly

It's too dim and muted

I like vibrancy

And this is coming from someone who only paints black armies

[brisk vapor]

I don't really have a singular tone of blue across my whole army

the older painted models are pretty much your standard Macragge Blue but the newer ones have some more volume to them

Here are a few examples of the newer models

[atomic rose]

I think it makes sense that way. There is millenia old tech mixed with recently made stuff. It's difficult to get paint consistent between batches.

[azure fulcrum]

why ultra marines got that goofy aah orangey red weapon colour

never understood that

i can also never decide if i like how it breaks up the blue or hate that it is such a striking contrast and breaks the scheme

[plush swift]

It's actually not at all, it's very easy. It's hobby paints that don't have the quality control

Just buy the pigment from the same chem maker, it'll only have a 1% swing in color on average

[azure fulcrum]

all i care about is that my paint comes in a dripper and not a pot

because i am lazy and it makes mixing easier

[plush swift]

I like tubes

[brisk vapor]

And a couple years older muted blue in front

[atomic rose]

I imagine it is impossible to do that over millenia in a universe where planets literaly explode. We have companies that go under today, I can imagine that tyranid invasion throws few wrenches in a supply chain.

[azure fulcrum]

im genuinely curious how many people actually collect ultramarines compared to the other chapters

[brisk vapor]

my slight colour shift has come from just using more colours for an area, before it was just the macragge blue but now there's all sorts of different tones in an area

also I love the red weapon casings

[plush swift]

We've been making a specific pigment for over a millennia now and it's color never changes that vastly

[atomic rose]

I imagine that a lot of peoples first mini is an Ultramarine. It probably branches out quite evenly after that.

[azure fulcrum]

red/orange weapon cases are like 2nd edition arent they?

[brisk vapor]

yeah

[azure fulcrum]

i have not actually seen an official ultramarine model or artwork depiction with it for some time

[brisk vapor]

mostly why I went with it because of nostalgia and I like how it looks

[azure fulcrum]

i just remember seeing it in Dawn of War 1 and always hating it

plus they chose a super ugly blue for the ultramarines in DoW 1 iirc

I know the blood angels always hurt to look at

[brisk vapor]

all my more special models have red casings, only basic troops have black weapons

[plush swift]

Nmm or tmm knights with LEDs... Why can't I pick

I don't even like nmm but it's good for social media

[brisk vapor]

I've yet to see LEDs on models IRL, I only know that they look pretty bad in pics but I believe they look a lot better with your own eyes

I hate painting TMM so I mostly go with NMM

metallic paints are a pain

[plush swift]

I make my own metallics

[brisk vapor]

vallejo metal air are better but they still ruin brushes and don't look that good to my eye

[plush swift]

Those paints are meh

Lascaux are the way to go

[azure fulcrum]

i might learn to do nmm idk

all i know is my unnamed slaanesh warband is gonna be a fucking pain due to the inconsistancy of a glamrock paint scheme

[brisk vapor]

haven't seen them before, they seem quite thick out of the bottle

[azure fulcrum]

but i guess its pretty much going to be the same as making a blood axe army but with brighter colours

[plush swift]

I dislike the obsession with nmm and the fact I have to do it to "prove my skill" even though I literally have multiple gally exhibits to my name

[azure fulcrum]

i just thought nmm is supposed to look nicer

[plush swift]

They are the same as normal hobby paint

[brisk vapor]

so quite thick?

[plush swift]

Not at all

Very liquidy

[brisk vapor]

I though that because only liquidy metallic paint I've seen are the vallejo metal airs

[plush swift]

Just mix some high flow medium into them and you're good

Still one coat

[brisk vapor]

Don't the mediums usually then also spread the pigments pretty badly with metallic paints

[plush swift]

No, it just looks different

[brisk vapor]

I've not had any good luck with those

these are always my goto if I need to paint tmm

[plush swift]

Not at all, Don't use any of the trash ones just use the professional grade ones. Try kremer and golden

Specifically the golden high flow medium will work really well

[atomic rose]

I always thought that TMM makes mini look better from various angles, since if reflects natural light, while NMM is used to make it look from one very specific angle, since it freezes a highlight in place

[plush swift]

The pigmentation of the lascaux studio bronze is way higher than the Vallejo ones anyways, so if you send them down to the point where the same consistency as the Vallejo, you get effectively the same thing if not better

[brisk vapor]

in a sense yes but more often than not the metallic pigment is pretty large so it looks a bit off

[plush swift]

Stop using mica based metallics

That's the case where they tend to be larger, and with some brands like turbo dork they use glitter instead of Mica

[brisk vapor]

are vallejo metallics mica based

[plush swift]

Turbo dork is the worst paint I've ever used, which is saying something because I've used army painter

The metal air I believe is low grade aluminum powder mixed with Mica

It could be pure aluminum I don't know, Vallejo tends to not want to say anything about the paint because if it's pure aluminum then... Dont air brush it

It's very bad for you and everything around you, The filter booths will not help at all

[brisk vapor]

I presume it isn't then

[plush swift]

They claim it is, but that doesn't mean it is

This is a company that will sell you chromium oxide and cadmium while not telling you that it's true chromium oxide or cadmium

They've done this with their artist paints before

#notregulated

Spain is the only country where I can get Paris green paint from these days if that says anything

They ignore all EU regulations

And EU regulations have little to do with pigments, more with the biocides in paint

Lot of pigments just kill, most biocides cause infertility

Infertility is worse for some reason

Don't the EU regulate everything to a pointless degree? Isn't Brussels just a zoo of bureaucrats who don't know how to do anything but write legislation nobody wants or understands?

Not when it comes to paint, and a lot of that has to do with art restoration and conservation

Ah ok

I don't know anything about how paints works

I just like the pretty colors

We need these very specific highly toxic pigments, like PR 106 Vermillion we need frequently, and that's Mercury sulfide

Lead white is insanely important for conservation

The only pigment that has any real regulation on it in the EU is mummy brown, and that is because of their desecration of corpse laws

Uhhh what?

Mummy Brown, It's made with Egyptian mummies.

Seriously?

Yeah and it was made up until the 1960s in the late 1800s the mummy reserve started to run out because the Victorian Uber wealthy were eating the mummies and snorting them, so they started to use slaves and criminals for it instead

Some guy exploring an Egyptian tomb went "this dead guy would make a really good paint"?

Nevermind

The snorting thing is weirder

[azure fulcrum]

It's a Slaanesh thing, you wouldn't get it.

[plush swift]

Well the resin on the mummy is where a lot of the color comes from, and that's asphaltum

[azure fulcrum]

As a Slaanesh player though I would very much like to be able to say that my miniatures are based with corpse-paint.

[plush swift]

So it's literally the corpse starch of paint then

Like mummy brown is effectively pointless as a paint overall because it doesn't dry, and it's not really that much different compared to asphaltum, It's a little bit more yellow and a little bit more transparent

[brisk vapor]

going back to the TMM look, I think it can be very good looking as well but it needs a lot of extra work to get to that point where I'd be happy with it, often involving lots of glazing on top of the metallics with normal acrylics to tone down the raw shine and give the metallic itself some depth. And this is just how I feel about my paintings and how I like the finished work to look like, every way of painting is valid

[plush swift]

prick your finger and use your blood as paint for added effect!

[plush swift]

I wouldn't recommend that blood is a fugitive pigment, That's the reason why they stopped using it.

I wasn't suggesting actually painting with blood but good to know!

[azure fulcrum]

Whats a fugitive pigment

[plush swift]

Nmm can look really nice, I just find it very awkward on the table top because you're not looking at it from the intended direction

[plush swift]

A fugitive pigment is a pigment that is not lightfast. Lightfast is a rating of how long it can stay in UV light without fading or discoloring

[azure fulcrum]

Oh, well my Orks probably dont look as cool anymore

Cause I actually used to do that

Whenever I cut myself while making models I'd just spatter some blood on any nearby choppaz

[brisk vapor]

on the table top you often don't even get close enough to really see the nmm effect in the first place

[plush swift]

[plush swift]

I do, but I also get very drunk when I play, so i tend to lay on the table and criticize my painting

[azure fulcrum]

Waste not want not.

I also went a whole year or two owning nothing but a hobby knife for the purpose of taking bits off of sprues and hacking up pieces for conversions so I wasnt ever running low on red.

[plush swift]

I just use cadmium

[azure fulcrum]

Mind you this was when I was a cheapskate 15 year old and buying paints was a rare treat, let alone whole model sets.

[plush swift]

Make your own paint

It's way cheaper

[azure fulcrum]

Dunno how

[plush swift]

It's easy

I need to buy a little more paint before I can do that more often

[azure fulcrum]

How many paints can I make using only stuff found in or on the human body?

[plush swift]

A lot

Bone black is a thing

[azure fulcrum]

Ok now I'm genuinely curious.

[plush swift]

Genuine ivory black

I blend paints when I can but I don't have certain colors

[azure fulcrum]

Followup, how many of these paints am I going to be able to make legally.

[plush swift]

A lot

"legally"

Just make them illegally

[azure fulcrum]

Well I assume getting my hands on human bones isnt going to be easy.

[plush swift]

[atomic rose]

Everything is legal, as long as you don't get caught.

[plush swift]

Mummy brown isn't illegal, it's just ethically immoral

Most pigments are just ground up dirt anyways

Everything's ethical, as long as you don't get caught.

[plush swift]

Everything is moral as long as you don't have morals

[atomic rose]

The Imperium way

[plush swift]

[azure fulcrum]

I'm not even memeing here either btw, as a dedicated Slaanesh player I think the ultimate homage to my chosen patron would be to paint my models using as many human remains as you possibly could.

Except maybe using excrement. I'm not a Death Guard player.

[plush swift]

Bone black

Is made out of charred animal bones

[warm eagle]

Nice to see there is a hobby channel here too. Hope its ok if I share some of my painterings I did in 2022

[atomic rose]

I would not be so sure about that.

[azure fulcrum]

I may be a massive dgenerate but I do have standards.

[plush swift]

I know someone that was a dedicated death guard player and did that actually...

[atomic rose]

That only means you are not dedicated to Slaanesh enough

[plush swift]

He kept calling it Papa nurgle's blessing

[azure fulcrum]

Given how some of them smell irl that honestly doesn't surprise me.

[atomic rose]

You keep weird company, my man

[plush swift]

I'm imagining the news headline: local man arrested after breaking a homeless man's skull to use the brain fluids for painting

[azure fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/police-hooker-cat-dead-gif-25215401

[plush swift]

I never talk to him, I don't get along with other autistics most of the time

Dudes now banned from every store in the state too

[azure fulcrum]

what you see: a homeless man down on his luck

what I see: free materials

[atomic rose]

Now that is just every RPG ever

[plush swift]

I wonder what else he did other than painting with poo

[azure fulcrum]

Is that because his models all have a layering of literal shit underneath the varnish? (Please tell me he at least sealed it in with varnish.)

Or because of something else.

[plush swift]

He did not varnish.

[azure fulcrum]

[plush swift]

And that was the reason why he was banned

[azure fulcrum]

At least they smelled... thematic...

[plush swift]

You couldn't smell them over him

[neat quartz]

Amazinh

[plush swift]

He was one of those MTG nerds that never showered in their life

[azure fulcrum]

real life great unclean one

[plush swift]

Oh

One of those

Did he also wear trench coats and fedoras?

Maybe even mlp shirts?

No he did not

[azure fulcrum]

dont forget the socks and sandals

[plush swift]

This was years before MLP and the fedora thing

But do you think he would've done it?

This is going on 20 years I think?

[azure fulcrum]

I'm just curious what kind of cracked mind would do that.

Granted, I want to use human remains. But thats normal compared to actual doodoo.

Was being a revolting sack of shit something that brought him pleasure?

[plush swift]

That is normal, we have for centuries

Yeah obviously there's nothing weird about using corpses

[azure fulcrum]

Well I mean people have painted with shit for centuries too.

[plush swift]

But poo?

[azure fulcrum]

They just generally did it in well-padded rooms...

[plush swift]

Google Wayne Gilbert

He uses your cremated loved ones to make paint then paints a canvas with it

[atomic rose]

Also, try looking up Sedlec Ossuary. It's a place nearby where I live and it is bizzare.

[plush swift]

He uses MY cremated loved ones?

I'm gonna get him!

[plush swift]

Dude that's actually one of my favorite places to visit when I'm in Czech republic

He's giving granny back!

[azure fulcrum]

I've seen that place before, super metal

[atomic rose]

Well give me a holler next time you're around. I'll buy you a beer.

[plush swift]

I hope to go back real soon because I love that place It's the essence of memento Mori art

Just need the time and money

[azure fulcrum]

@plush swift now obviously, as a slaaneshi degenerate I have to ask the obvious question, can you make pigment from "discharge", and if so how would one go about that process.

Since blood is apparently out of the question since it fades super fast.

[atomic rose]

Internet has got you covered there. Start with putting a mini in a jar.

[azure fulcrum]

Memes aside I'm genuinely curious, cause doesnt ejaculate contain things like traces of titanium and zinc and stuff?

Obviously I'm looking for whatever process you would do to extract the actual pigment material.

[atomic rose]

I mean chemistry is a science of changing one thing into another. If you include nuclear breaking and combination slamming, there is a way to turn anything into anything. It's just a question of how economic iti s.

Nilered taught me you can turn a vinyl glove into grape soda with like 5 steppes. I would not surprised if there was a way to use ejaculate to make paint.

[azure fulcrum]

Well apparently I was wrong on the trace amount of titanium, but there is plenty of zinc and magnesium, idk if that can be used for pigment though

[atomic rose]

Well, elements and molecules have color (unless colorless). If it has color, it can be suspended in a medium to make paint? It's probably only a question of how long it will last and how stable it is?

[azure fulcrum]

Very true.

[idle inlet]

have a question about subclasses/etc. if you create a custom subclass and choose two traits do all your units get both of those traits or do you pick and choose between the two for each unit? the last time I played was 4th edition this shit is confusing

this is about the tabletop game btw

[brisk vapor]

Do you mean the subfaction army rules?

Your whole army with the right keywords will gain those rules

And the keyword usually is <chapter>, <cult> etc

[idle inlet]

I think I understand. if I choose two 'benefits' all my units with the correct keywords get those benefits

[brisk vapor]

Correct

[idle inlet]

thanks

[brisk vapor]

Which army are you looking to build

[idle inlet]

dark eldar

[brisk vapor]

In that case the keywords would be <coven> <Wych cult> and <haemonculus coven>

I believe the rules you choose will state which will be affected

[idle inlet]

yes, I understand now. I just wasn't sure if you had to pick which unit would get which obsession

(if you had two as a custom kabal/cult/coven)

[brisk vapor]

right-o

[idle inlet]

thanks for the help

[brisk vapor]

no problem

[near hawk]

gonna post a link to my most recent army (Votan!)

https://twitter.com/IonJones/status/1592016696323493888?s=20

Jupiter Jones🏳️‍⚧️ vax boosted+1 (@IonJones)

And here is the full 2k points worth of votann.

Twitter · Nov 14, 2022, 4:48 AM

I use UV reactive paint, so anytime I shine a blacklight ont hem the lights and plasma weapons glow

(and I have a very intense uv flashlight.. which is handy if I'm pointing out units to indicate which ones I'm moving.)

[jaunty trail]

My "so far" steps on Bayards revenge 🙈

[wild monolith]

WIP Custom Chapter - The Wolverines

[rapid willow]

My group of clowns

[wild monolith]

Noice

These taken over 5 years ago

[rapid willow]

And it shows they're lovely

[rare hornet]

Imperial Fists?!

[wild monolith]

Yes. I'm planning to get back on miniature painting.

[wild monolith]

Yes

[rapid willow]

I just started and I can tell I'll be doing it for years

It'd be a waste of your talent to not start again

[wild monolith]

The more you'll do, the more incredible these models really looks.

[rare hornet]

Agreed, it’s simply a case of improvement over time

[wild monolith]

I regretted of haven't doing miniatures for years based on the costs and a lack of space to work on them.

[rare hornet]

I’m starting to run into the space problem

I’m running out of cupboard to fit Iron Warriors

[wild monolith]

This year's gonna be big for 40k with a new edition codex release this summer, as far as I know.

[rare hornet]

Best not get our hopes up

[wild monolith]

Not all the way high as the golden throne

[rare hornet]

9th core rules have been the best so far, it was the individual codexes that brought problems

They need to release all army codexes at once for it to be properly balanced

[wild monolith]

Agreed

Not sure how it turns out for space wolves if creating a custom chapter.

I'm creating more nordic space marines to make em more mind blown as Space Wolves chapter

such as (untitled) bears, skags, ravens, etc

[plush swift]

Easy way to fix that. Just get a new cupboard

How many dishes do you actually need? You only need 1 per person if you're a neurotic clean freak 1 per 3 if you're dedicated to 40k

[near hawk]

I would honestly love to do a darktide themed battle mat and or diorama

[rare hornet]

The new kill team terrain could be good for that

[unreal chasm]

First two Kastelans and a Domitar Automaton printed and assembled.
Still working on my poses, but seeing how cheap they are to print it doesn't hurt to get experimental.

Sculpts are proxies from Station Forge available on Myminifactory

[sand tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYYPNJMi6Yw

[hazy meadow]

Any recommendations on companies apart from GW or 3d printing for painting minis?

[plush swift]

depends on what youre after

myminifactory will have pretty much everything

[compact umbra]

With the new army set up what ever it’s called rules do you think you could make a fun hero hammer space marine army?

[pastel grotto]

Baneblade ordered

Time to game

[compact umbra]

Oh nice! I’m planning to get one when I start my gsc army

[hollow trench]

https://tenor.com/view/baneblade-sirtoddy-gif-15960408

[pastel grotto]

Sounds like a whole lot of heresy

Your lucky my second army is Tyranids

And a lot of them.

[compact umbra]

Praise the true emperor

May his many arms touch the hearts of all

[compact umbra]

Beautiful angels!

[compact umbra]

Omg that’s amazing! What did you use for rust?

[brisk vapor]

Thanks! I used oil paints and white spirit. Burnt Umber, Burnt Sienna and Raw Sienna

[plush swift]

which brand?

[brisk vapor]

Van Gogh

easiest to get around here

[plush swift]

Malaysia?

[brisk vapor]

Finland 😄

[plush swift]

Second guess

[plush swift]

look at the smile on him, devious little bastard

:)

[brisk vapor]

he don't mind some rust surely

[plush swift]

I only have 2 tubes of vangogh for testing

[brisk vapor]

Winsor is the second easiest to get here but they have been a bit scarce lately

[plush swift]

Had to check the pigments in van gogh, raw seinna uses py43, which just an FYI has to have a lead warning on it in most countries when you buy the pigment

more of a "watch out if it cracks" type thing

[brisk vapor]

right-o

[plush swift]

wouldnt worry too much about it, since its a natural pigment it can have either none or a dangerous amount and you'd never know without testing

I know stupid, but im neurotic about safety

[brisk vapor]

I also have Cobalt Blue(PB28), Cadium Red(PR108) and Azo Yellow Medium(PY74/PW6)

do any of these have anything to worry about

[plush swift]

Cobalt, yes. Cadmium, dont airbrush it, azo yellow is mostly safe

[brisk vapor]

right

[plush swift]

Cobalt blue is a toxic when ingested or inhaled

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_poisoning

[brisk vapor]

also have Gamblin Titanium White but that uses the same PW6 pigment as Azo so I suppose that's safe as well

[plush swift]

PW6 is carcinogenic

but wear a mask when airbrushing it and you'll be good

[brisk vapor]

ye, I always do

[plush swift]

good, I see a lot of hobby streamers who dont

then make up stupid reasons like "I have asthma so I cant breathe in a mask"

if you have asthma, then inhaling a pigment will be vastly worse

[brisk vapor]

yeah 😄

[plush swift]

its such a stupid argument to make

ahh yes, coat your lungs with tiny plastic polymer particles

smart

[brisk vapor]

quite

[edgy jackal]

I must have said this before, but it's really frustrating to see things like acrylic inks being marked as recommended for airbrushing, but not mention that there are pigments which are dangerous when mistified.

[plush swift]

acrylic inks are fine for airbrushing, they arent more dangerous than normal paint

[lilac moth]

Do you really want fume hood or something if you plan to do airbrushing?

[weary nexus]

WIP of my dreadyboi

[plush swift]

its a nice to have and recommended, but not needed

I dont use one as they can affect my paint negatively because of where I live

[proud anvil]

For the Imperium!

[rapid saddle]

My Inquisition Guardsman who serves the emperor - definitely the 2 armed one. As they said, for the imperium!

[wild monolith]

Amazing

[white shore]

Does anyone have any pictures of space marines ultramarine they care to share?

Also I want some of these minis, what are they called

[limber widget]

Imperal guard

They are mostly a horde faction

The best is playing with imperal guard with tanks and alot of guard models

Roughly 20

[white shore]

Just want as display, will play with ultramarines

[limber widget]

Ah

I understand

I have some unfinished chaos models

[plush swift]

I'm still shocked, this is the only discord I'm in where people actually like and want to play as ultramarines

[limber widget]

And a unpacked stater lizardmen set that I Left in the dust since mid 2019

I. Bought from. Gw online

[limber widget]

Probably the reason is that people hate ultramarines

[plush swift]

Yeah, I don't like them myself, and not because of Matt ward.

[limber widget]

Im more of an Chaos marines fan

[plush swift]

I'm partial to xenos

[limber widget]

Wich one of the xenos

[plush swift]

Yes

Xenos, not imperial or chaos

My only imperial/chaos army is knights

[white shore]

Why do people hate ultramarines

[limber widget]

Are you an nids necrons eldar dark eldar harlequin or tau fan

[plush swift]

Yes

[plush swift]

Because they are gws poster boys who can do no wrong or fail a mission basically. Too much plot armor, not enough grimdark

[limber widget]

In the lore they made the codex astartes the most hated thing what the primarch of ultramarines made after the horus heresy

[reef wren]

personally, I just think they're a bit dull

a lot of people don't like the rewrite SM got in like 4th edition that was very centered on Ultramarines and Guilliman

they're terribly overrepresented and have a lot of problems with main character syndrome

[white shore]

Okay lads where can I learn about r lord

Lore*

I’m hella new

Only played darktide and thought this shit is mint

[limber widget]

Lutin09 and bricky

Mostly

[plush swift]

I also recommend for a first army to do a custom color scheme, as if you pick one of the official ones you're locked into that specific chapter, however if you pick custom ones you can play any of the chapters

[white shore]

I’m getting locked into loyalists ?

I think that’s what they’re called

[plush swift]

You're getting locked as ultramarines if you select ultramarines, however if you build a custom scheme of ultra Marine models the ultramarine models can be any chapter

[limber widget]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl6BRvEJ-auZ5aYPHj1B3pKJ_pLjg9qNU

[reef wren]

I would recommend a combination of Lexicanum for serious lore and 1d4chan for not serious lore and meta commentary, though do keep in mind that it's/tg/'s takes, which vary wildly in quality

[plush swift]

But yeah if you select a loyalist model then you're a loyalist lock

[reef wren]

yeah, Chaos marines have a different model line

[white shore]

I purchased tactical squad as first 10

So loyalists it is

[limber widget]

adeptus ridiculous is also fun to watch with some humor in it

[plush swift]

The only faction The can do loyalist and chaos is nights by technicality

[reef wren]

I haven't watched any of AdRidic

[limber widget]

It's fun to watch

[plush swift]

I have watched adridic, It didn't really do too much for me with lore

[reef wren]

tacticals instead of intercessors, patrician

[plush swift]

It's one of those standard podcast style things of one person not knowing anything in the other person knowing everything, which just doesn't work for me because I have my own questions and the person doesn't know anything isn't answering the questions I want

[limber widget]

Most of my 40k knowledge comes from Lutin09

[plush swift]

Most of my 40k knowledge comes from oculus imperialis

[reef wren]

I started out with TTS years ago and just did a lot of wiki diving

[limber widget]

And I dont recommend arch warhammer bandit

[plush swift]

But I wouldn't suggest him flat out as it's very dry

[limber widget]

He is an asshole

[reef wren]

I've heard Arch just makes shit up

[limber widget]

Yea

[plush swift]

He does, and it's entirely to fill a political bias

[reef wren]

incomprehensible, may the Emperor have mercy on his wretched soul

[plush swift]

He noticed his channel was dying, so he tried to go woke and he fails miserably at it

[limber widget]

Bruh

[plush swift]

He's still borderline alt-right conspiracy theorist

[limber widget]

I did listen to lore hammer on spotify but they have been stopped making podcasts eps sadly

[reef wren]

weeping that we will never get more of the JoJo stripper custodes from Alfabusa

[limber widget]

Yea

And the death of kitten

I know for that magnus wil. Be furious

[reef wren]

Kitten at least has a """spiritual successor"""

[limber widget]

Yea

I wanted to know what wil happen to Leman in the dark eldar webway

[plush swift]

I wish GW would do the smart thing, and use those animations advertising and then not lock it behind a paywall

[limber widget]

Yea

[reef wren]

Zoran as Leman was one of the best things out there

Almost enough to make me like Space Wolves

[limber widget]

And the star child in the inquisitior body

[plush swift]

They already broke multiple laws with Warhammer Plus, It's just a shame that the UK won't do anything about it because they can't touch their only native export that isn't some unseasoned bullshit like Cadbury cream eggs

[limber widget]

Yea

But I like the parent the hunting

The big d is an great character

[plush swift]

Not going to lie I've not seen it

I meant to and then I just never did

[limber widget]

Oh

[plush swift]

I watched a few minutes and just kind of moved on to other things

[limber widget]

Ah

[plush swift]

And those few minutes I was not paying attention

[reef wren]

I really like old World of Darkness

So I'm down for The Parenting

[limber widget]

I watched it and quite liked it

[limber widget]

Yep

My favorite ep is always the vampire fight part

Where Markus Accidently release the 3 vampires and let them fight to the death

Markus made the same mistake as his 40k counterpart

[white shore]

Yep is that a bad decision

[reef wren]

not really

I'm a bit behind on the metagame, but last I checked intercessors are better for just sitting on objectives, whereas tacticals have more versatility, what with the special/heavy weapon embeds

so you can get a big of extra power out of tacticals if you position them correctly

they're also a bit more point cost efficient iirc
cheaper per wound now that 2W is the standard

[white shore]

I got tacticals as base and was going to get intercessors or something to back them

[muted token]

Someone goes to me

"What planet would you like to live on in the 40k universe"

Well, more "What 40k plane-" <None of them>

People need to stop assuming the 40k universe is a nice place to be

[unreal chasm]

There are actual paradise worlds in the Galaxy.
Wouldn't mind one of those. Chances are you'll never even see a war in your lifetime.

[muted token]

Until suddenly orks

Or Tyranids

Or Secret tomb world

[unreal chasm]

The chance of that is statistically negligible.

[reef wren]

ah, but you see

[muted token]

Or weeaboo communists

[reef wren]

until

[muted token]

Or random local is born with psyker and a bloodthirster pops out of his arse

I'll pass

[reef wren]

see, here's the thing

there's a reasonably high chance that if you're in 40k, you're not human

you could be an ork

[white shore]

Love being an ork

[plush swift]

Painted a lad

[unreal chasm]

for every 1 planet in the Imperium that actually sees combat, there are 99 who don't.
A million worlds.
Across 10k years.
Chances are you get born, work your whole life at some bottling plant, have two kids and not even see a weapon in your entire life.
The average life of a normal human is either miserable, unremarkable or somewhat comfortable depending on birth, but it is rarely ever exciting.

[unreal chasm]

where did you find a tiny sax?

[weary nexus]

Unless you were born shit out of luck on cadia or something

[plush swift]

Cadia evolved and expanded it's range

It's much larger than it used to be

[plush swift]

I got the model from aegis printing on etsy just thought it looked cool

[unreal chasm]

Cadia, Catachan, Krieg, those are special though.

On a regular imperial world, a small portion of the populace gets drafted into the PDF, a fraction of that is tithed into the guard.

[unreal chasm]

Looks pretty neat, though I'm wondering how he toots that through his helmet

[white shore]

Anyone got any idea of plastic glue that isn’t citadel

[plush swift]

By the will of the emperor

[unreal chasm]

Revell is solid

[plush swift]

Ive been using tamiya extra thin cement

[plush swift]

tamiya, acetone, nbutyl acetate

Works amazingly well

most plastic glues are just nbutyl acetate with acetone mixed in

[azure fulcrum]

you can also get a second pot, chop up some sprues and throw them in and they will melt and make an extra THICC cement

[plush swift]

Really? What would the thicc one be used for? Like gap filling

[white shore]

Making thicc ork thots of course

[white shore]

Is super glue fine ?

[azure fulcrum]

basically just if you want an extra strong fit

but you could use it for minor gap filling

keep in mind it will still melt the applied areas because its a plastic glue

I'd say its best used for finer details like say glueing the top of a banner to a pole

because afaik it makes the bond stronger

[plush swift]

Ah i see

[plush swift]

it works, just doesnt weld like plastic glue does

Yeah and once you go plastic glue you'll probably never go back

[white shore]

So it’ll work as long as I’m not extremely rough with them it’ll be fine ?

[azure fulcrum]

super glue should be used for resin/fine cast either bonding to itself or plastic

eitherwise you should use plastic glue

plastic glue bonds by melting the applicated areas and causing them to bond with eachother, so it essentially turns two pieces of plastic into one, whereas superglue just holds one thing onto another thing

[white shore]

Tbh I am worried about using plastic glue and not lining something up correctly and wasting the whole model

Since it’s my first time assembling want to take as many precautions as possible

[azure fulcrum]

depending on what model you are building most should have pretty easily defined slots and stuff

its usually only some arms and heads that you can mess up badly

[white shore]

Yeah thank you am hyped for it too arrive

Can’t wait

[proud anvil]

Way late but it's why my Imperial Guard are painted in the urban scheme. I don't really care to be a specific regiment

[azure fulcrum]

the virgin "oh yes i painted all my models in some official paint scheme made by someone else"

vs

the chad "yeah i just slapped some paint on it and thought it looked decent"

[naive umbra]

First painted model of my T'au army. Ghostkeel pilot

I went with custom sept colours for it

[plush swift]

Best painting method

[azure fulcrum]

really not looking forward to painting my glam rock themed slaaneshi army though

itll be rewarding but holy fuck it will be painful

[naive umbra]

Pretty happy with how the cockpit turned out. Was my first try at an OSL effect

[atomic rose]

The assembling is generaly quite easy and the parts just go well together. It will "feel right", when they do. Also always dry fit your parts first to find that sweet spot before glueing. That leaves very little room for mistakes. You would not really be able to pull the models apart with super glue either. It would be easier, but you risk damaging the mini all the same. Only pewter can somewhat survive it (and you should pin pewter minis, to make the bonds stronger, so even then it would not really work). Using plastic glue on plastic minis has overall a lot of advantages. The bonds are super strong and if you use proper amount, it will fill in small gaps by itself. The downside to them is, that if you use too much/spill, it will melt the detail on your mini. That being said, any glue spill would be equally disastrous.

[white shore]

Thank you very much is there any vids on assembling minis you could recommend?

[atomic rose]

No really? It is quite easy. Like...kids can do it. 🙂 It's just about following the instructions booklet. Most GW kits have the parts numbered on the sprue now, so just cut out the parts are you go. Cut them out with a pair of flat jaw nippers, clean up the cuts with a hobby knife, scrape off the mold lines, dry fit, glue, next step.

Sometimes you can even choose to not glue the parts together, if it helps you paint easier later and glue it after paiting. For example arms often cover up the torso, making the torso more difficult to paint. So you just paint them both seperatly.

[white shore]

I want them to be perfect haha I will post my first one as soon as I’m done

[atomic rose]

Just be carefull. The hobby knife is sharp and you do not have the muscle memory yet. I have bled a lot over my first minis.

[white shore]

Blood isn’t apart of ultramarine loyalists so can’t make it work

[snow horizon]

any 30k fans here?????

[brisk vapor]

Hell yeah

[snow horizon]

i gotta take an updated pic of my army, i've finished all the unpainted stuff in that and that was missing a few things

[brisk vapor]

I've only got like 6 units painted because another project became more important and I'm waiting for a friend to 3D print some extra bits

[snow horizon]

who ya playin as?

[brisk vapor]

Sons of Horus of course

[snow horizon]

a fellow traitor <3

i might start an imperial fist army eventually though, ive been listening through the siege of terra books and the first fight between the two in solar war is so good

[atomic rose]

https://tenor.com/view/purge-heresy-wh40k-warhammer-exterminatus-extremis-gif-13767113

[brisk vapor]

I'll probably add small detachments of Death Guard and Night Lords in the future

[snow horizon]

the only night lords model i want is sevatar

i finally got a irl game in a couple nights ago and the conversion beam on the predator is responsible for his anguish

[brisk vapor]

[sterile grail]

hey painters, any tips and advices for painting straight lines? I cannot seem to make it perfectly straight 🙁

[atomic rose]

@sterile grail Position the mini and use this kind of motion.

[snow horizon]

I won't judge harshly for painting what looks like an ultramarine but this is fantastic, the bloody skulls is a good touch

[devout lake]

Man it's a paint doing gold and blue as everyone says it looks like an ultra marine

[atomic rose]

Well...it does.

[snow horizon]

tbf heresy era ultramarines look waaaaaaaaay cooler than 40k ultras

[snow horizon]

well shit

he's a traitor too good boy

[devout lake]

Might just be the lighting

[snow horizon]

my point stands cuz god i love the ultramarine foregworld praetor

[devout lake]

New upgraded sprews kinda suck though

[snow horizon]

oh yeh they're bad, its just regular beaks i dunno why they thought that was a smart move

[sterile grail]

thanks i will try your method. My hand do get shaky when holding the mini. That something i need to practice

[white shore]

The fingerblast technique

[atomic rose]

Brace your elbows or wrists on the table. It will make your hands lest shakey.

[sterile grail]

when doing stripes do you just brush it in one straight motion? or multiple delicate stripes?

[atomic rose]

Depends on a lot of factors. Where the stripe is and how difficult it is to reach, how many stripes is there etc. If it is a lot of stripes, your best option could be to use masking tape.

[naive umbra]

Ghostkeel assembly is coming along nicely

[white shore]

How’s the progress so far

[sterile grail]

the edges of the line seems cleaner, i just need to allign it more

[deft fable]

Is this set really good for begginers?

[atomic rose]

You can probably find cheaper brushes elsewhere. AP brushes are not exactly high quality and the tip on them varies quite a bit piece from piece, so you may get a set of okey brushes or absolute trash. Since you're a beginner, throwaway synthetic brushes are fine till you build the muscle memory, but you can get them way cheaper at your local art supply store.

You'll probably ruin your first few sets anyway, so cheaper tends to be better.

[plush swift]

Remember that when painting a straight line on a curved surface it is not going to look straight at every angle, The line itself has to curve and it takes a lot of practice and muscle memory to know how to do this.

[plush swift]

No, Don't buy army painter brushes. Don't buy any hobby brand brush, Stick with someone like Windsor and Newton or Royal and langnickle, Even better if you can go buy Rosemary and Co.

Also army painter will sell you sable hair brushes without telling you that they're stable here

And personally I find this really ethically bothersome

[atomic rose]

Are you sure it's wise to recommend expensive high end brushes to a complete beginner? I can get behind not buying AP brushes, but surely for begining, it's better for him to get some no-name cheapos before he gets into proper habits and brush care and then get the expensive ones.

[plush swift]

I'm not talking about Windsor and Newton series 7, I'm talking about things like the Cotman line or their university line.

I highly recommend Royal and langnickle as good cheap starter brushes, keep in mind that I don't value them as actually good brushes in the slightest, but I have a couple of them that have lasted years with really abusive behavior.

Hell I have a flat from royal and langnickle that I found on the ground and it's lasted 8 years

[atomic rose]

Fair enough.

[plush swift]

Rosemary and co brushes are dirt cheap, Most hobby brands use them and then rebrand them too

Artist opus's brushes are all rosemary and Co and people rave about those all the time, while you pay $87 fucking dollars for four brushes when you can go buy them from the website for less than 20

I'm still mad about hobby brands overcharging you guys

(Also he breaks the federal law by shipping his brushes to the US)

[atomic rose]

I am using Renesans brushes from my local artstore. They cost like a euro. And it's easier for me to go there every now and then and get a new brush than taking care of 15€ W&N brush that I can never use for anything anyway, because it would get ruined.

[plush swift]

That's also another good option, basically go to your art store and just get a bunch of cheap brushes that they recommend

Unfortunately my local art store is bad and I hate it.

[atomic rose]

I honestly kinda hate my local art store as well. You can tell it's made for canvas painters and that they think miniature painting is for plebs.

So I kinda just shuffle in, get my cheapo brushes and shuffle out, hoping they won't notice.

The first time I went there, I asked the lady what brushes she'd recommend me for miniature painting and the lady rolled her eyes.

[plush swift]

All art stores are made for canvas painting, very few places will do anything for mini painters

They'll also judge you for not calling it figure painting

Yeah because you called it miniature painting which is canvas painting, call it figure painting

The fine art version of figure painting is really crazy, If you think things from Golden demon are good, fine art figure painting will blow them out of the water It's insane.

It's not even a newer or experimental genre, It's several thousand years old

[atomic rose]

There is no difference between figure and miniature in Czech language.

[plush swift]

I don't know the czech language all that well, I just know "můžu dostat pivo?" And "ne, nechci kupovat tvoje levné kecy"

[atomic rose]

The first one is definitely mandatory. 😂

[plush swift]

I've been there twice, I definitely needed it a lot.

The second one was because a bunch of people kept trying to sell me shit when I was at a bar.

They would only come up when my translator wasn't there too

[atomic rose]

I assume it was Prague. Prague is weird.

[plush swift]

Yes, it was Prague

[atomic rose]

Makes sense. Prague is not even a city anymore. It's more of a tourist park than anything else.

[plush swift]

Yep, reminded me of my city

Grew up in DC and moved to a tourist trap

[sweet sinew]

Getting slightly better at painting these dudes. Now it’s decal time

[distant storm]

First proper freehand

[novel quarry]

As a Tyranid player: "oh hell no! 😭"

Had a fantastic game with a custodes player, played only flying bikes... Wasn't fun at any moments

[bold solstice]

get throwaways if you're a beginner TBH

[deft fable]

I don't know... I don't really get the concept of beginner or not tbh

Beginner should use throwaways brushes

Can we really progress using cheap brushes and what define ur "right" to use better brushes

[atomic rose]

It's quite easy really. Proper brush care is something that takes effort. If you do not do proper brushcare, you are going to ruin your brush. That includes stuff like washing it often during painting, learning how much paint to load into it, not letting it get too close to the ferrule and a lot of other things. Before you get all of those things down, your brush will get ruined, inevitably. It might be sooner or later, depending on how much attention you'll pay to those things, but it will happen. You get some paint in the ferrule and it will split or you dip it into a wash or metallic while not thinking about it. When that happens, you want it to be a cheap brush and not your 20$ Winsor&Newton series 2.

You can get decent cheaper brushes. They might not be the best but it will suffice. Once you can take care of your brush without even thinking about it, you get those expensive brushes. Easy as that.

[bold solstice]

there's no "right"

it's just "if something works, use it"

[atomic rose]

When we tell you to use cheaper brushes as a beginner, it's not to keep you away from progress, but to save you some buck.

[bold solstice]

also

some techniques like drybrushing will DESTROY brushes over time

so you don't want to use the good stuff for that

(drybrushing is an amazing technique and you should learn it)

(just don't use your new fancy brush to do it)

[deft fable]

I wanna try with a make up brush

[bold solstice]

good call

def hoard some makeup brushes

[plush swift]

metallics dont affect brushes actually, washes arent a big deal either. There are brushes called mops that are specifically for washes and sometimes they are made from sable, they are generally used for watercolor and oil

[plush swift]

make up brushes work, some swear by hog hair, but with how thin you hobby painters thin your paints, it can result in damage. I personally use what ever is in front of me

brushcare isnt hard either, its just tedious and you need to remember

synthetics also want proper care too, but learning proper care is another story

a lot of the guides out there are for one specific material because each material is different and reacts differently to different things

[atomic rose]

I never said it's hard or anything. It really boils down to "use cheap till you learn how to take care of the expensive"

I am horrible at brush care, so I use cheap to this day. 😅

[plush swift]

There is a reason why most fine artists and brush companies will never recommend anything but synthetics for acrylics as the acrylics can cause damage to sable hair

[plush swift]

Never said you did, but you're 100% correct

you said effort, which is entirely correct

its not as simple as "wash them after youre done" its a "wash them once an hour and replace your wash water every 20 minutes"

which reminds me, I need to put an order into rosemerry and co for review samples

[finite rain]

1 set of kolinskies 00 - 2 size, greenstuff world, for 30€ish all i need

xD

and some cheap whatever brushes for basees, stippling, drybrush

[proud anvil]

Scenario: Astra Militarum and Eldar forces defend a bio weapon storage against Necron attacks.

[dry leaf]

Oh don't worry I'll only be bringing dreadnoughts

[cloud wing]

I got custodies and made them aquilan shield. How’d I do?

[tight pumice]

I may have ordered the Votann army box.

[cloud wing]

May or have

[opaque canyon]

Got the battle force box, still need to do the feathers

[plush swift]

You realize those arent actually kolinsky and that those are made by rosemerry and co. right?

[atomic rose]

Appreciate the cookie, Magnus the red.

[opaque canyon]

He found a cookie

[cloud wing]

He has the cookie!

[tight pumice]

have

so now there's that and Sisters Battleforce in the queue

2k of CSM almost fully painted. Just two HQ's and a Legionnaire squad to go.

[finite rain]

na i dont, and i dont kerrrrrrr

[tight pumice]

I get the Master's Touch Miniature Hobby brushes from Hobby Lobby in the acrylic paint aisle. Cheap and pretty good, especially on one of their weekly sales.

[plush swift]

Just saying that you're paying 4x more for a store badge, might as well save some cash

[finite rain]

me ritch bitch

trash talk aside, honesttly i dont care, i bought the last set exactly a year ago and they are still perfectly fine.

so before i got out and try something new and have to get used to again, i dont mind paying 6€ for a brush.

[lean snow]

Tiny wrist computer

[plush swift]

Those tiny buttons look like a pain

[atomic rose]

They are not that bad. They are generaly well defined, but also sunk in, so you just paint the top of them and you're golden.

[plush swift]

Oh okay that's not as bad as I thought it was

[lean snow]

Yeah just black then button tops plus a blackwash to hide imperfections.

[muted badge]

had an idea for a gigachad commissar with a Bolt Revolver named Chad Magnum

he'd allow for a slight bit of heresy as long as it helped them (using Tau Pulse weapons shelled in Imperium Lasguns, sending an unsanctioned Psyker in to act as a daemonic drop pod, or simply not executing guardsmen on the spot for having their lasguns not in factory new condition)

[white shore]

Anyone have any iron fist

[tight pumice]

I have the Phobos kill team, but I dont think I want to put them together. I would rather just run my Intercessor KT.

[shy epoch]

Chaos space marines, necrons , ultra marines , tyranids, and tau as my first miniatures , so far I really like tyranids does anyone have some tips for a tyranid army

[white shore]

Any pics ?

[tight pumice]

Local player hit me up. Sorry, realize you were looking to buy. Misread on my part

[white shore]

Didn’t mean to imply that lol I meant of already painted KT

[tight pumice]

oh, no. I have 6 painted teams and 2 partially painted.

no Iron fists though. I think I might build another Intercessor Team and paint them as IF.

[shy epoch]

No advice ?

[muted token]

How about fuck off advertising porn in my minis channel

[unreal chasm]

it's a catfish to steal your discord account

[muted token]

weird

[muted token]

But on the tyranids thing, I stopped looking into making a tyranid army when I had to ask "What do you mean I can't have that many spore mines"

[grizzled jolt]

Momma never lied.
No he didn't write that himself.
Context:
A yt video called an ogryn story

[timid vector]

anyone here that could give me some quick advice for painting some cosplay armor?

I know it doesn't have to do with minis, but I'm making a guardsman cosplay

[weary nexus]

So that is what happened to Guts.

[wooden pier]

I raise you with a almost finished slightly bigger fanatical robot

[weary nexus]

I only have the flayer 5000

[wooden pier]

I never got hooked on that design.
The big skull makes it a bit silly

[sterile grail]

i need priming tips. Using the citadel primer, but its too gritty and grainy. How do i make a smooth primer surface?

[atomic rose]

Pics?

[atomic rose]

Your primer is drying before hitting the mini. That can be like milion things...you may spray from too far away, or the huminidity is too low, or it's too cold...

Maybe you just said something bad about the can and it's ego is hurt...

[sterile grail]

probably this

eitherway im not friending him anymore

should i use airbrush instead

[atomic rose]

Try putting the can in a warm water bath for like 5-10 minutes, then shake really well for about a minute or two. When priming, spray from about 20 centimeters away in shot bursts from side to side.

Well, this mini will have to be stripped if you want to salvage it. Just be aware, that most paint strippers will damage plastic models.

[sterile grail]

i tried test prime these guys a bit further away, i can still see some grits. Surface just dont sit right for now.

[hazy meadow]

I’m not sure, I let it sit in about 90f water for maybe 5 mins then shook good. I was pretty close to mine but it was also 7 degrees outside and it ended up good. I think usually 20cm yea and the bursts are important to keep it even

[young briar]

I figured this might be the best place for this question, does anyone know of any sets with a chestpiece that has flak armor and an inquisitorial rosette like the sharpshooter chestpiece? I'm thinking of kitbashing my veteran but I'm pretty new to the hobby and don't know any sets that would have this

[proven marsh]

Can't thhink of any. And getting a rosette that small would be tricky. There are some on sisters of battle minis that could maybe be shaved off and reapplied.

[sterile grail]

for airbrush primers, can you avoid grainy surface by adjusting instead of using can primers?

[unreal chasm]

cerastus is gonna be one tall boy

[plush swift]

Yes, what do you need to know?

[plush swift]

No, The grainy surface is caused by ingredients in there called kaolin sometimes it's caused by chalk

The only way to get a primer that doesn't have that is to not use a primer, you don't need a primer for paint adherence anyways, part of the definition of primer is that it will have those gritty things in there and a high level of solvents that will melt the top layer and then cause the primer to bond to the surface

[floral wind]

Got given these old prepainted gw models which date back to 2003 aside from the Terminator which is from 1992

He's made of metal which is neat

[rapid willow]

Big big boyyy

[rapid willow]

I love him, name him

[floral wind]

Hmm I shall have to think of a name 🤔

Also love your pfp

[rapid willow]

Is he a loyalist or traitor cannot tell, I want him if traitor

[rapid willow]

Make it a old name, and thank you I love stealing art from the internet

[floral wind]

Oo what about Tiberius?

[rapid willow]

Tiberius, tibbers, claws, yes

[wooden pier]

What tareios said and do you shake the hell out of the can for like 10 minutes before using it like the instructions say?

[sterile grail]

update i found out the issue, I wasted three space marines to get this result. I just need to be closer, do it outdoor, and short spray burst

speay it too far will cause the grainy effects. And im inside an apartment with AC on, defini not helping the sittuation either

[weary nexus]

Night lord boi so: Very vindicated atleast. But aye relic for my chaos space marine crusade army

[weary nexus]

I get that my dude. For me it is just better then the hellbrute. Atleast when one wants to go for a theme of being very against the chaos powers.

[wooden pier]

Yeah the hellbrute is Kinda to possessed for my puritan NL aswell

The way chaos is built with 40k rules we realy restrict ourself by going puritan xD

[weary nexus]

YUP But it is still cool for the thematics

Got a Black legion army for all my deep corruption needs

[marble carbon]

praetorian drummer

[weary nexus]

That blue one is sus.

[weary nexus]

My most "unpure" member, but a very good fit for a chosen.
Kitbashed the greater possesed with the legionary with two handed chainaxe.

[wooden pier]

Oh dam thats a awsome model.
Not a fan of seeing a NL so corrupt but still very Nice work with the old possessed champ mini

[weary nexus]

Aye. he is supposed to be the pariah of the group. the rest nearly have no taint in comparison.

I either go with the idea of it being just the armor that is tainted beyond belief.. and NL being the biggest hypocrites of em all.. (which is why I love em) He just uses it to sow further terror.

[muted token]

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-lich-lord-vecna-231986

I might use that as a malignant plaguecaster

[atomic rose]

I have this one printed. It's incredible. https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-necromancer-3-176986

[muted token]

I'd probably change the staff

[dry torrent]

New leak for the guard

[bold copper]

neat

[wooden pier]

Amen

[dusty nimbus]

If you have another one

Paint it as an alpha legion one

They are the biggest imposters of them all

[sterile grail]

painting my first real guy, looking okay so far. What do you guys think? (i havent add highlight yet).

[atomic rose]

It's looking all right, quite clean for a first mini in fact. You might want to thin your paints a bit more, especialy the white on the knee looks a bit thick and textured.

[tight pumice]

Just dunk it in Nuln Oil and call it a day

[sterile grail]

i think i need a big flat brush to make a smooth texture, currently im just using the brush from the recruit kit and its not really that big

[atomic rose]

You don't. Smooth surfaces are a matter of thin paint and multiple coats.

[tight pumice]

thin paints in smooth lines will get you there with that brush

[sterile grail]

so probably three white coats?

thin*

[tight pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/letterkenny-allegedly-gif-10608199

[atomic rose]

White does take forever, but yeah.

[sterile grail]

i also see white tends make make more texture than other pain if its not thinned properly

[tight pumice]

One thing, when watching youtubers and whatnot when learning to paint; I think a lot of folks skip over a key aspect of painting: take your time. Go slow and enjoy the meditative process. The mini will get painted whether you rush or not, but the final paint job will show whether you rushed or not.

[sterile grail]

also how do you paint belts in small cracks

[tight pumice]

slow layers of Snakebite Leather

[sterile grail]

stuffs like the eye is extremely small too, i have to use the toothpick to paint it

[plush swift]

I've been an entire white warlord with this brush before, you don't need anything specific just use what you have.

However I need a stress one thing, specifically when it comes to white paint because the pigment is very unstable and does not tolerate fillers very well, go buy a professional brand. You can get fluid acrylic and it'll be so much better things like corax white are made with kaolin and lithopod which are awful pigments, and not actually white. Because of how unstable titanium dioxide can be as a pigment, a lot of manufacturers will take the lazy way and use other things instead

And those other things will give you textures because of how quickly they dry the paint

[plush swift]

The problem is is that hobby painters don't want to take their time, They all want to speed paint. They want to learn how to get instant gratification so that they can get it on the tabletop and never have to care about the actual painting again.

I absolutely hate speed painting as I don't get to take my time and process what I'm doing, and I work very fast.

[tight pumice]

I use bases, layers, contrasts, and technicals. They're all tools to get the job done.
I get it though. Lots of people prefer the playing side of it. Some only hobby. Some like both. There's also the issue with disposable time for hobbying or playing.

[plush swift]

Im assuming those are paints?

I dont know much about hobby paint names, I just know their chemistry

[tight pumice]

yeah, the different categories of Citadel paints lol

[plush swift]

I just use a mix of opaque to transparent pigments

[tight pumice]

different strokes for different folks.

[plush swift]

I know contrast is a heavily extended ink, and some use a dye making them fugitive

I remember foundation paints, are those still a thing?

been a while since I used something that wasnt a high end oil

[patent bramble]

I just watch this channel for painting tips
You people are very knowledgeable and I appreciate the tips

[proven marsh]

Foundation were great. They have a "base" range now, but it's not the same

[plush swift]

They were chemically similar, they just used more staining pigments in those than now

the pigments they use now are bottom tier cheap, with some minor exceptions

[atomic rose]

Seeing "Corpse_starch is typing..." is always so ominous tho. I never know if I am getting support or scolding. 😂

[plush swift]

scupolding

the trick is to do both equally

so no one knows when they are going to be told you're poisoning yourself or that your brush care is good

[lilac moth]

Personally i prefer the 1-2 combo of first going for 1 of the options and then all of a sudden turning it in to the other option

[plush swift]

I prefer using option 3

because no one expects a third option when theres only 2 options

[lilac moth]

Is it normal to get a sudden urge to build black legion army?

[reef wren]

maybe?

dunno, never saw the appeal of the Black Legion myself, but they're the Chaos marines, so I'd buy them being popular

[lilac moth]

Looks fucking lit. And could act all edgy chaos boi around the table

perma caps lock on just shouting bullshit while i roll my deathball in to them

[flint talon]

The voices are just a side effect of the hobby. Ignore them, or not

[tight pumice]

I went Red Corsairs, cause pirates

[reef wren]

the Alpha Legion is my favorite in lore but for modeling I'd want to build World Eaters

[lilac moth]

black legion with the default black armor with brass accents looks so damn appealing

Also could build couple kill team comps with the marines and cultits

[plush swift]

I went custom because I think all GW color schemes are bad