general-chat

[acoustic pebble]

They're both women

[modest flume]

Make love not war or whatever

[kindred grail]

I don't understand why the second part is imporant are you weirded out by feet did they not clean up or smth

[acoustic pebble]

-Sun Tzu

[lusty estuary]

the ragged king is the first woke and ethical ganger so once again the water cartel sweeps

[kindred grail]

I make hammers

[fiery wave]

Funni mage that broke Grey Fox and Dark Brotherhood mission. Hardest mission was that one for the daederic prince that needs you to die by an NPC's hand.

[modern bobcat]

I think it's the cutting of toe nails on a coffee table actually

[modest flume]

"The enemy of my enemy is my lover and she bad" -Sun Tzu

[nocturne bloom]

Real OGs completed Oblivion only using restoration

[fiery wave]

OH?

[jaunty path]

I think I'm gonna buy dawn of war anniversary edition

hows the gameplay?

[modest flume]

It's an RTS

[tender horizon]

Classic RTS

[lusty estuary]

old rts

but it's good

fight me

[kindred grail]

yeah no i don't think that's weird if they cleaned it then what matters

[modest flume]

Old but gold, as they say

[tender horizon]

Its simple tbh

Not bad

[kindred grail]

you live

[jaunty path]

is it worth 9 dollars

[modest flume]

It's pretty much 4th edition tabletop

[tender horizon]

But if you play modern ones you'll miss some QoL

[modest flume]

Oh absolutely

[lusty estuary]

yeah

[modern bobcat]

American?

[tender horizon]

If you end up liking it, yeah

[lusty estuary]

I live?

[fiery wave]

Just do it. If you like RTS.

[modest flume]

A bonus is that mods for older versions of the game work for the remaster

[modern bobcat]

Did anyone see that Youtube Vet build that shows that Bolt Pistol Lethal Proximity blessing is proc'ing bleed on Vet shredder grenades now?

[modest flume]

Do it for the memes at the very least

Metal boxes, steel rain, Lord Bale, SSSSSIIIIINDRRIIIIIII

[kindred grail]

yes? do other countries only cut their toe nails in their own bathroom alone or someshit like still weird doesn't matter

[blazing ibex]

do you mean lethal prox extending shredder range?

[modest flume]

Space marines, attack!

[modern bobcat]

And increasing bleed stacks apparently

[kindred grail]

The etzy witches didn't work i gotta ask for my money back that's all

[blazing ibex]

...what

[modern bobcat]

Might have been getting bleed stacks from Duelling Sword

[blazing ibex]

if they have serrated, ya

[lusty estuary]

my sister is an etsy witch so I'm protected from their curses you shouldve asked beforehand

[fiery wave]

Because is technically the same game with upgraded models and textures.

[blazing ibex]

and naturally it would make sense to run serrated with shredders

[tender horizon]

[modest flume]

I know why, just clarifying for Missus

[kindred grail]

did you at least get the worms

[modest flume]

although I wish Crucible would update

[modern bobcat]

It was a DSword + Bistol + shredder build increasing proximity and bleed stacks

[lusty estuary]

I mean I've certainly got a type of worm

[modern bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCdiGeHRjJs was this one

from 1 day ago

[jaunty path]

Okay so, I have a pleasant surprise

[kindred grail]

NOT MORE 4TRAN BRAIN WORMS

[jaunty path]

not only do I have dawn of war anniversary edition

but several other games

[modern bobcat]

He starts build description at 4m04s

[lusty estuary]

?

[blazing ibex]

Oh Big Dom's video!

[kindred grail]

earlier we did a bit on the 4trans people

[lusty estuary]

I've never even said a 4tran word in here

[jaunty path]

I got like 4 games for 10 bucks

hotdog

[lusty estuary]

why am I being targeted

get away from me

uriah help me

[modern bobcat]

I looked at your mini profile

[jaunty path]

We want the slop

[modern bobcat]

I think it should actually say "Cadians are out of Cadias"

(and they won't let us forget about it)

[lusty estuary]

well no the cadians are out of cadians by virtue of the fact all the original cadia born cadians are dead

[kindred grail]

it's a thing for 4chan they made the words like "boymoder" it's the incell corner but for trans people

[modern bobcat]

So they're both out of Cadia(s) and out of Cadians too

Very sad

[modest flume]

@jaunty path If you have DoW 2 you get to play more of a RTS/MOBA hybrid, and you get the Last Stand game mode which is pretty much a 3 player PvE MOBA

[kindred grail]

well 4chan is already an incell corner but like more so

[tender horizon]

"Yeah I'm cadian" from a nu cadian got the same energy as someone from NJ telling you they're pure Italian

[lusty estuary]

no I know I just don't understand what I did to be the target of an etsy curse

[modest flume]

I'll gaba your gool

[modern bobcat]

Ayyyy I'm mournin for my lost planet ova here

[kindred grail]

there are the numbered cadia planets in the greater sector which are now acting as a sort of successor

[gilded socket]

Ruff

[kindred grail]

just cus funny

[fiery wave]

Fun, but painful with 900 ping.

[lusty estuary]

yeah but like in terms of the actual sentiment within cadian regiments, they like, don't really count

[fiery wave]

More so since I play farseer. The 1 sec delay lul.

[kindred grail]

average Child of russ response

[tender horizon]

There's probably a cadian mafia on a few planets tbh

[modest flume]

But Farseer is tanky AF

[lusty estuary]

cadians like to talk the talk with the whole "cadia is within all of us now" thing but none of them actually internalize it

[fiery wave]

Depends on build.

[modest flume]

The only build that matters

[gilded socket]

I hate russ, i play blood angels

[kindred grail]

they coulda done a whole "Tannith first and only" thing with them woulda been so cool i think they missed out

[modest flume]

Blood Angels 🤝

[astral basin]

You git soft hands boy

[lusty estuary]

despite the fact the vast majority of voidborn cadians are actually equivalent in skill to their planetborn ancestors they all suffer from massive imposter syndrome

[fiery wave]

Ppl just want the cape and knoife for Commadores.

[gilded socket]

Trvthnvke

[lusty estuary]

I think it doesn't really work with the themes cadian regiments have going on

[gilded socket]

Awwwwooooo

[kindred grail]

but they still have the specialty of having plasma weapons so probably that

[modest flume]

We have to stop the transformation before it takes hold! Quick, how many fingers am I holding up?

[lusty estuary]

well everyone has plasma weapons

that's not a cadian speciality

[kindred grail]

Baal

[modest flume]

Blood Angels are

Baal-er

[lusty estuary]

hotshots are probably more something you can contribute to cadians considering their large number of kasrkins

[gilded socket]

One

[astral basin]

Primarch johnson knows what the ladies like

[gilded socket]

Huge

[trail bramble]

The cadian special is creed managing to ghillie up a baneblade

[modest flume]

CREEEEEEEEED!

[tender horizon]

A beard and rampant paranoia?

[kindred grail]

Every single regiment was sent durring the Devastation of Baal and they had to be saved by the Ultramarines because of bad writing meanwhile on the other side of the galaxy with half their chapters forces about 5k gardsmen and trying to pretect and evacuate civilions the Lameners Won against the same numbers so funny

[river elbow]

Baaling but at what cost? The cost was Sanguinius.

[kindred grail]

GW writers are weird

[gilded socket]

Im not that far into the book

[kindred grail]

GW "we don't write gay because we don't know gay"
Fans "Hire gay?"
GW 😐
GW 😠

[kindred grail]

sorry they are still very bad arse and it's more of a meme

[gilded socket]

Ough

[astral basin]

A tank

[modern bobcat]

Blood Angels? That's a funny way of spelling DARK Angels

[gilded socket]

SHUT UP SHUT UO RIGHT NOW

[astral basin]

Halo

[thorn wedge]

Do you think the various returns of the primarchs makes the angels really really pissy?

[kindred grail]

Dark angels? that's a funny way of spelling Alpharius Omegon

[gilded socket]

Big boobs

[languid hazel]

Awuwu

[kindred grail]

trying to manifest

[gilded socket]

I want to manifest many thing

[fiery wave]

What Baneblade?

[kindred grail]

🇺🇸 DESTINY

[cunning canopy]

playing ogryn is hard cuz the sniper horde keeps killing me bruhhh

[astral basin]

Lamenters: woe be us, and especially those that fight with us. Our flag will wave proudly atop a mountain of corpses, with one dying survivor.

[kindred grail]

They used nonlethal force on the mintotaurs a chapter trained and genetically engineered to fight space marines and still wiped half of their entire chapter out in a single battle

[gilded socket]

I find liberty prime to be an obnoxious character and the fanboys to be patheticer than me

[astral basin]

The miniraurs wiped out half of the lamenters

[modern bobcat]

Make your Ogryn shorter in character creator

[cunning canopy]

that feels fake lmao

[kindred grail]

because they refused to fight back and tried to surender causing more of them to die

they only defended themselves as a last option for the chapter not for the individual

[kindred grail]

that's the point of the character

he's a mock of a time when the government tried to limit freedom of speach and forced us to be patriotic man glad that's gone and isn't up to be changed

[modern bobcat]

Baneblade is the largest tank the guard got

it's like 4 tanks stacked on top of one another

[fiery wave]

No, the joke is the Baneblade is invis.

Or hiding behind a lamp post.

[fiery wave]

Which is always funni. Mech suit with too much stealth skill in D&D funni.

[modern bobcat]

I have to stop alt-tabbing from games to misread jokes

[lusty estuary]

i always felt like if bethesda actually meant for liberty prime to be a critique of american exceptionalism and nationalist fervor they failed royally by attaching him to the guys they forced into the goody two-shoes role rather than the remnants of the actual fascist american government

[vivid tapir]

I think you're giving Bethesda too much credit, they barely understand their own IP's

[nocturne bloom]

to be fair it was seized

[neat kindle]

fastest way to get a shit ton of plasteel?

[lusty estuary]

in a way i understand what they were going for, it's ironic for the enclave to be smashed to pieces by a product of their own military's ancestors but also liberty prime is glorified to hell and back

[halcyon pebble]

Havoc 40

[fiery wave]

Is why I am fully here or just not here.

[neat kindle]

fml

[nocturne bloom]

lore wise the enclave were pretty roughed up when prime was found

[kindred grail]

Bethesda fired their only good writer just before the game had it's story resulting in a game with atomosphere but no depth the next game they made fallout 4 had neither

[halcyon pebble]

or normal QP damnation

[kindred grail]

TO BE CLEAR

[fiery wave]

Looting in qp damn. But nobody really loots anymore.

[modern bobcat]

I don't think I'm gonna get Auric Storm Survivor while this silent poxburster bug is still going

[kindred grail]

Bathesda made a good choice firing that guy but they hired a yesman for Todd Howard instead of a good writer

[neat kindle]

whats qp, sorry I haven't played in like a year. back when damnation was the last difficulty.

[modern bobcat]

I survive most matches no problem right up until a stealth burster blows me off the map and I die instantly

[neat kindle]

oh quickplay

nevermind

[kindred grail]

Bathesda did it's best work then fighting itself for directions that conflict that individualism is gone and bland singlemindedness with a focus on simplcity is all that's left of their once great studio

[lusty estuary]

emil pagliarulo is probably one of the few times you can point to a single solitary figure in a development team and say they're the reason something sucks

everything i loathe about bethesda fallout i know for a fact he was behind

[neat kindle]

damn is it even possible to do damnation qp? are randoms better now?

[gilded socket]

Still hatecit

[modern bobcat]

This is anti-Italian discrimination

[fiery wave]

Is the worst thing. Like, are you serious? No ticking, no ignite, sometimes the boom is silent.

[kindred grail]

again just a Todd yesman though that's why he's there you get rid of todd you get rid of him and then it's okay you get rid of one the other keeps it the same

[drowsy prawn]

Bethesda has always been known for It Just Works™ since Oblivion days. That studio is literally kept alive on life support by modders

[nocturne bloom]

todd has the passion he just lacks direction, and a good writer/team would do more

[lusty estuary]

todd howard has minimal impact on fallout in any case

[modern bobcat]

It's driving me crazy, I was at 3/5 ASS progress and lost it to one burster, 4/5 and lost it by getting knocked off map by a Captain's shield

[lusty estuary]

he's mostly just the figurehead for marketing for fallout it's the elder scrolls where he actually has any sway which is why oblivion was kind of mid compared to morrowind

he watched the lord of the rings and it was all kind of downhill from there

[fiery wave]

The second one is at least legit. That one is positioning issues.

[kindred grail]

you forget the existence of outside studios who make there games continue to exist like oblivion remastered and Obsidian the reason Oblivion and Vegas exist

[modern bobcat]

Yeh, we were in a bad spot

[blazing ibex]

I saw a burster spontaneously explode for no reason during a H40 I was playing

Literally ended the run too

[drowsy prawn]

wait what, those weren't even made by them 😂

[kindred grail]

Timm Caine is back at Obsidian so that's cool (Director for fallout 2 NV and Arcanum)

[fiery wave]

Like the, do not fight on bridges unless you wanna fly.

[kindred grail]

welcome to the joke

[astral basin]

Yeah… i didnt feel that much engagement from ESO either
Just… rock collecting without the ability to hold that many rocks

[fiery wave]

Pain.

[lusty estuary]

ESO is weird

[kindred grail]

ESO was better then skyrim but that's not much

[nocturne bloom]

eso is just a job, and i mean that literally. people play it just to sell shit

[lusty estuary]

i like individual story beats in ESO but as an actual game it's like if you could be skinned alive perpetually during your entire play session

[astral basin]

Which skyrim? The released 5 separate ones

[drowsy prawn]

eso have some of the best cinematics for trailers though 😌

[lusty estuary]

it's because it controls like skyrim but worse which is an insane achievement considering playing skyrim is like sinking into a bog

[astral basin]

Wizard 101 vibes frfr

[kindred grail]

ESO people and Destiny 2 people overlap a lot

[lusty estuary]

ESO popped off with the tribunal storyline which almost makes its existence worth it

[drowsy prawn]

but still, you can't compare ESO to the single player games; that thing can't be modded

[astral basin]

Rea- no wait i see it eso has yearly content packs that are the price of a full game
Just like destiny

[drowsy prawn]

and the graphics looks like dogwater

[astral basin]

At least eso doesnt phase said content packs out

[kindred grail]

"there was a god of free will and then they got sent to a different universe and now free will is gone from existance"

They lost me with that

tribunal and clockwork were cool though

[astral basin]

You reading it a little too literally

[drowsy prawn]

if they made an MMO that can somehow incorporate mods that would be something else 🤔

[carmine steppe]

Skyrim is so good tho

[astral basin]

Everyone knows lorkahn is a liar named Maiq

[carmine steppe]

Skyrim was the game to play when it came out

[lusty estuary]

i have mixed opinions on skyrim

[twin flower]

Prolly difficult due to compatibility

[drowsy prawn]

there's is no mixed opinion, modded Skyrim is the pinnacle achievement from that studio

[kindred grail]

so what millions of people play games with way worse graphics who cares more so why do you art direction is solid but not for everyone focus on that not how many dimples you can see on dudes cheeks

[modern bobcat]

It's one of the frustrations of trying to do this penance on pubs, because a lot of people don't communicate in chat or with voice

so you can't get people to move to better positions

[blazing ibex]

time to play gaem

[carmine steppe]

It was genre defining, oblivion was good but Skyrim took of like crazy

[drowsy prawn]

you are speaking English but it's a very weird English

[gilded socket]

Fuck my hon life

[kindred grail]

🗞️ bad stop 🗞️ 🗞️

lol

[astral basin]

Mfw i preferred oblivion sandboxing
The favorites quick menu was a huge upgrade, along w most other systems
But there was something engaging about being shoved into whole screen portrait interaction when you talked to someone

[gilded socket]

Ots trve

[fiery wave]

True. I at least had one god player around then. So I can hard panic as they solo chill.

[kindred grail]

someone still have too much christmass spirits in 'em lol

[astral basin]

Random guards when you walk by w a bounty
Gives you whiplash before saying their famous line

[lusty estuary]

skyrim was actually a step up from oblivion in terms of the concept for it's overarching story of skyrim being entrenched in a civil war and the empire having being domed by a newly reformed aldmeri dominion only ripped apart by the fact that none of it matters and you don't engage with it at all

[carmine steppe]

I think all the changes were made to mainstream it and give easier access to player

[kindred grail]

STOP YOU VIOLATED MY MOM

[nocturne bloom]

my fav part of eso is just gambling on how long people live pissing off riften guards

[lusty estuary]

like sure there's a questline for the civil war but none of it has any actual substance

[gilded socket]

Huh?

[drowsy prawn]

that oblivion chill ost has already reached pinnicle meme status 😌

you know the one

[kindred grail]

to bad they stepped back and down due to their own artificial limitations

[kindred grail]

Spirits as in booze

[gilded socket]

Im not drunk

[lusty estuary]

there was a tapestry of complex politics to be explored and the ability to seriously consider the motivations behind everyone involved and it's like

[astral basin]

Betweem 4 and 5
But yeah most definitely
QoL should be one of the goals for most games

[lusty estuary]

because everything has to be in service to the actual main storyline, which kind of sucks, you just don't get anything

[kindred grail]

at least we got open MW

[nocturne bloom]

multiplayer morrowind slaps

[lusty estuary]

the aldmeri dominion is an authoritarian nightmare but their motivations behind wanting to fuck over the empire are actually so interestingly nuanced and it frustrates me to no end that you just don't get to talk to them at all

[nocturne bloom]

'ate elves, not racist, just dont like em

[kindred grail]

I think of it more as a Beurocratic nightmare regulation and neccesities not power and politics

closer to a alegory for corperate idealism then it is to any government think about it

[warm gyro]

I've never gotten ASS because randoms are always terrible

[kindred grail]

my diction for words i underutalize is showing in my spelling but

[lusty estuary]

tiber septim was a bloodthirsty warlord who molested nearly the entirety of tamriel and created a forever empire to continue to do the same long after his ascension to godhood and i think you can forgive the elves for maybe harboring a little bit of a grudge against the empire

it's just like

elder scrolls is genuinely such a fascinating fantasy universe that used to be written by people who knew how to like do any kind of narrative with themes and symbolism

and then todd howard watched the lord of the rings.

and now we don't get anything anymore that isn't just table scraps

[iron otter]

You know what I miss from vermintide? Those end sections where you had to fight to the end(not like wave survivial, but get going fool or die), like I think there's only one mission you do this, and it has a very similar feel, has anyone else noticed this?

[rough verge]

Rock and stone⛏️

[drowsy prawn]

you mean like Hab Dreyko's extraction run 😏

[iron otter]

What's that misson about?

[kindred grail]

The high elves actually don't want what they are doing they are more an alegory for the natzi party I was thinking we were still talking about 40k for a second earlier with my remark but all that you see from them and their ways is the supremesists looking to undermine the places they want to attack. they exist to find items targets land and rebelion. they only exist in skyrim to perpetuate the civil war for example. but when you go to their home you find a lot of discontent with their pollicies while they are doing well their people aren't happy and the youth is becoming indoctronated

[drowsy prawn]

it's the one where you kill the nurgle tree

[kindred grail]

no no less natzi more japan ww1/2

[iron otter]

Yeah, that was the mission i was talking about, thanks for the name though

[gilded socket]

Wruff

[rough verge]

Who up rocking they stone

[iron otter]

Just started playing vermintide 2 after so long, and just realized that, like dang, does anyone remember the finale from the skittergate for example?

[lethal solstice]

Yeah

[twin flower]

Been a long time since I Rocked and Stoned

[kindred grail]

Watching this show russian doll pretty good

[kindred grail]

boom

[rough verge]

"Did you borrow my underwear?"

[astral basin]

You gotta remember the ancient days of TES had elves as feudal “above all” types
Full on slaves of everything else
By tibers time, the actual Aeleids were gone but. The elves were still in their cups about the “good ol days”, and people were still pretty feudal and warring
So he campaigned to unite everyone. Which was his legacy. And w elder scrolls logic being funky, he pretty much had god emperor status simply for effort of people were treating him like a god
The fact that his bloodline gained the blessing of a divine didnt help much, but idr the nuances to the reason of that

[twin flower]

One of them say that?

[gilded socket]

Awwwooo

[rough verge]

If you use the laser to ping a teammate, its one of the lines

[rough verge]

Me when KFC has a bogo meal

[iron otter]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-cat-gif-1657764219303897241

[kindred grail]

image perm hehe

[twin flower]

[gilded socket]

Bogo?

[rough verge]

Buy one get one

[twin flower]

I just remember the one where you piss off your Handler by pinging the gold chunk so many times

[rough verge]

We're rich :]

[gilded socket]

Thats ruff

[rough verge]

Scout mainz rise up

[twin flower]

"I'll dock your pay so hard even your great great grand children will know poverty"

[lusty estuary]

well okay tiber septim is a little more complex of a character his motivations behind his campaigns across tamriel were far more selfish in nature than how they're outwardly presented in imperial history. him uniting the entirety of tamriel was a happy side effect of his actual long-term goal of subsuming the void left by the death of lorkhan

[twin flower]

prolly one of the funniest I've heard

[lusty estuary]

there's also the dubious implication he was a mortal shard of lorkhan alongside whoever the leader of the ancient nords was

tiber septim was not a very good guy

[rough verge]

DMX REFERENC3🔥🔥🔥

[astral basin]

Then
Iirc
Aldmeri dominion started as an extremist group that couped their government in summerset, and took over
Their order of business was to reestablish the old alliance and take on the power vacuum, since the empire is 100% counsel over rather than deciding emperor
Since the Imperial Empire is like. The most major force available that cannot be immediately subjugated. They went by any means to under mine it
And since no HUMAN god should be remotely part of THEIR pantheon, good ol Talos was an easy thing to undermine. Simply bc he was late to the party, despite evidence that suggests that he indeed joined the divines

[vivid tapir]

I had to double take for a sec and realize that I wasn't in my TES lore discord

[lusty estuary]

i also do have to point out

tiber septim was like

i was about to immediately jump to the extreme and call him a pedophile

[rough verge]

"You lot better be better miners than dancers🙄

[lusty estuary]

but i guess it's not immediately clear whether the story of what he did with queen barenziah was real or not

[carmine steppe]

Its a Medieval setting, I feel shit like this happened regularly

[astral basin]

Bro its middle ages core
Dubious is right there whether you like it or not
The moment a person turned 14, they were ripe for planning an heir
Bc typically life past 40 was a myth

[lusty estuary]

well okay

[rough verge]

I guess man

[carmine steppe]

Yeah that's what I mean

[astral basin]

We still have countries that practice this bc they are desperate for their citizen economy to go up

[lusty estuary]

the elder scrolls is a fantasy universe with the benefit of being able to say certain things just don't happen that otherwise did and or do in real life

[astral basin]

Even the US considered lowering AoC once or twice

[lusty estuary]

admittedly this is with some exceptions because the elder scrolls has rarely ever pulled punches when dealing with really heavy topics for better or for worse

child marriage is kinda rare though

and it's not accurate to what tiber septim allegedly did to queen barenziah

i have to purposefully avoid getting into any specifics because of how fucking bad it is

because it's not just that he forced her into a relationship with him

[gilded socket]

Huh

[clever horizon]

Tes fans be like

[astral basin]

Entertainment media has to either be “will not confirm or deny” or “this happened and these are the short and long term ramifications”
The moment anything dwells on anything, some dickheads start cherry picking and throws the whole thing under the bus simply bc the dickhead in question wanted to empathize a little too hard with fake or educational stuffs

[lusty estuary]

all of this just loops back to my previous point of tiber septim and his ascension to godhood being the driving force behind much of what influences the third dominions actions against the empire in the events of skyrim which was why i even started getting entrenched in the weeds anyways

[rough verge]

Ruff ryder's anthem

Bro doesnt know ball

[lusty estuary]

it's not like there aren't other factors because they are literally just the nazis like others have said i just think the elder scrolls has the strength of being a universe with a lot of written history that you can draw back on to see what is propping up these political structures and where are they getting their talking points

like the aldmeri dominion attempts to suppress worship of talos both because their supremacists beliefs assert that a man cannot be a god and because that god is the guy who spent years holding their child queen hostage as a political prisoner and slave wife

[rough verge]

"Slave wife"

[lusty estuary]

anyways skyrim sucks because it doesn't have nearly enough ambient quests in it

that's what she was to him

[rough verge]

Skyrim sucks because it has the combat of an rts game in real time, with no complexities

[lusty estuary]

truth nuke

[gilded socket]

Skyrim sucks because i dont like Skyrim

[rough verge]

Amen

Skyrim was heat when I was a 5th grader and ate almost exclusively boiled chicken stew, so I didnt know what quality meant

[tender horizon]

Tbf skyrim was heat for actual critical reviewers when it came out

[lusty estuary]

all of that time everyone spent playing skyrim would've been much better spent learning how to play the spoons

[gilded socket]

Wriff

[rough verge]

I will spend 3 hours modding the perfect Skyrim playthrough and get bored in 30 minutes because its Skyrim and doesnt have any gameplay

[astral laurel]

Skyrim is a mile wide, an inch deep

[carmine steppe]

Skyrim was huge and genre defining for the era it came out

[astral laurel]

No it wasn't

Came out the same year as Dark Souls

[rough verge]

Didnt it drop after ds1?

[carmine steppe]

And it's still a good game

[carmine steppe]

Yeah same year

[astral laurel]

It's a good game if all you've ever played is fucking Mouse Trap

Skyrim can't even live up to Morrowind

[rough verge]

I really disagree, I mean if we are comparing titles i think Skyrim is one of the most fake deep and repetitive games ive ever played

[carmine steppe]

The impact Skyrim had was huge

[rough verge]

I would rather boot up skylanders swap force

[astral laurel]

what impact.

[carmine steppe]

And there is a reason it sold so damn well

[rough verge]

2k sells every year. Doesnt mean its good

[clever horizon]

Skyrim good

[astral laurel]

Nah

Skyrim bad

[clever horizon]

🫵

What about bikini armor mod

[astral laurel]

I'm gonna be real, a setting that lets you become the head of the greatest magic school in the land for knowing exactly two novice spells is not a good game.

[rough verge]

Im a melee enjoyer. And i think Skyrim has the most barebones melee ever. Attack or heavy attack, and god forbid your enemy block shoves you. Its the most mindnumbing melee system ive ever played, 0/10

[lusty estuary]

i don't think you can deny skyrim was a massively influential game but you can argue whether or not the influence it had on future RPGs was good

[gloomy void]

For my Argonian

[carmine steppe]

3,5 million in 2 days on 2011 is crazy, 20 million by 2013 is amazing

[astral laurel]

They want you to be able to do everything ignoring the fact that a character wouldn't be able to do everything.

So it sold a lot. What did it fundamentally change about RPGs

[carmine steppe]

Someone named their kid Dovakhin for the promo 😭

[clever horizon]

'slave wife' she's argonian officer

[astral laurel]

Because the only thing I've seen emulate Skyrim is more Bethesda games and they've had shit fucking RPGs since then

[nocturne bloom]

ah yes, re squeeze, tawoba, tewoba, tiwoba

[carmine steppe]

I think mainly the focus on open world games

[gloomy void]

It is arguably the most influential rpg of the past 15 years. The game still sometimes hits 100k concurrent players and it’s a decade old singleplayer game

[astral laurel]

It's not an RPG

[astral basin]

Apparently Tiber was a petty dickhead some of the time and was absolutely hated at the start of his empires reign (i mean obviously he conquered the continent)
He spent the rest of his life doing patch updates and QoL changes though so eventually he became beloved
Summerset got the shaft end completely though
Nord gave Tiber really good observations about the issues in morrowind, proposed an autonomous peace treaty w vivec, got a super weapon, and shoved the nord guys soul into the super weapon to win summerset with as little effort as possible
Warlord at heart ig.

[carmine steppe]

Granted it's oblivion but better

[rough verge]

I also think fallout is stinky but

[astral laurel]

It calls itself an RPG.

[carmine steppe]

Yeah it is

[gloomy void]

It is tho

[astral laurel]

Not really.

[cosmic burrow]

Which fallout

[gloomy void]

Dawg you can say it’s bad at being an rpg but it still is one

[nocturne bloom]

its an rpg

[astral laurel]

It pretends to be one. It's fundamentally an action game with RPG elements

[nocturne bloom]

so an rpg

[lusty estuary]

we're falling into the game genres trap

[cosmic burrow]

Bg3 is a rpg. Diablo is a rpg. RPG-7 is a rpg

[rough verge]

I played 3 nv n 4. Didnt like any

[cosmic burrow]

I am fnv fanatic. But i accept that people may not like fallout from bethesda era

[carmine steppe]

Yall just need to search top games of 2011 and Skyrim shows up everywhere 😭

[nocturne bloom]

2 is the best fallout

[carmine steppe]

Fallout new Vegas is so good

[nocturne bloom]

you can kill yourself with a bomb 5 min in

[astral laurel]

I say it CONSTANTLY about Skyrim: It's a mile wide, an inch deep. There's no substance. It's loosely written, it lets the player get away with anything without knowing anything, It hides behind a facade of reasonably nice graphics and an established brand of games that have honestly gone downhill since Oblivion.

[analog wind]

so I'm new to this game but came back from playing space marine two, hows the balacne in this game? balanced or just all over the place

[carmine steppe]

Loosely written 😭

[astral laurel]

Very

[gilded socket]

wwooo

[cosmic burrow]

It goes from busted to balanced to shit. Depends on weapon

[lusty estuary]

fallout new vegas has a really good story coupled with arguably bad gameplay since it's just fallout 3 but enhanced

[clever horizon]

If skyrims so good where's Skyrim 2

[astral laurel]

Bethesda can't write a fucking game to save their life.

[rough verge]

I don't like rpg mechanics plus gunplay. Like its really my only big issue about fallout. It feels goofy to spend 5 mins pumping bullets into a legendary gunner cause your build stink

[lusty estuary]

the thing is i hated playing fallout 3 but enjoyed new vegas but i could never actually put a finger onto why

[nocturne bloom]

eso

[carmine steppe]

Sure bro, Skyrim was still an amazing game for 2011

[cosmic burrow]

Its gun desing

[astral laurel]

Nah

[carmine steppe]

Speaking about 2011 there were a ton of good games

[analog wind]

is there a most op class? I know theres 6 but does anyone have it easier or top ones? how do they all rank?

[cosmic burrow]

@lusty estuary enemies if f3 are stupidly tanky

[cosmic burrow]

All classes are on roughly the same lvl

[rough verge]

I didnt have that much bad to say about Skyrim plot. Other than it was goofy that you could become the leader of everybody for basically 0 work and also theres literally no benefit or responsibilities. I just hate Skyrim combat

[lilac crag]

if you want the easiest time to train yourself do arbitrator

[analog wind]

huh intrestering they must of done a good job on balancing then

[lilac crag]

arby gets a dog, very helpful

[astral basin]

Role playing game
In skyrim.
You roleplay what the questline tells you to
The fact that the gane lets you play observer to everything kinda blows when you as the mc get retconned out
But
Weve seen what happens when they leave you as a lore figure anyways (the hero of kvatch being forgotten by the world low key bc of the gray cowl, and abandoning the db to ruin to be a Daedric prince. Guilds dont change bc council)

[cosmic burrow]

As i said its weapon dependent

[lusty estuary]

all of the classes in darktide are about on par with some doing slightly better than others depending on the loadout and setup

[cosmic burrow]

No. It will teach him a lot of bad habits

[clever horizon]

Ogryn op, two rocks

[lilac crag]

he can grow out of them when he's deeper in the game though. no permanent harm

[astral laurel]

Dark Souls was better. Portal 2 was better. Uncharted 3 was better. Bastion was better. And that's just from what I've played.

[analog wind]

hmmm

[lusty estuary]

this is definitely it i think

[cosmic burrow]

If you want to replay f3 with actually fun gunplay tale of two wastelands

[lusty estuary]

i haven't actually played f3 that wasn't stitched to nv like a tumor in years so i kinda forgot

[gilded socket]

Man i want a Colt 633…..

[tender horizon]

If you just got into the game worry about learning mechanics first and what's strong after. Zealot or vet are your best classes for fundamentals imo, but zealot will teach you a little better.

[cosmic burrow]

But you will subjected to bethesda writing

[lusty estuary]

i've had my fill of fallout 3 that game's story makes me mad

[rough verge]

I want a spas-12 lowk

[lusty estuary]

actually, no, it's not the story it's the side quests

tenpenny tower is my archenemy

[astral basin]

The point of bethesda games high key
Is to let you act as observer in major events of the lore
Bc you as a mouthless pc make most interactions bland, and due to npc technical difficulties
It falls short obviously
But. Thats the players fault if they take traveling skyrim or cyrodill horseback for two days literally

[gilded socket]

I want a Colt 633 and a XM177

[cosmic burrow]

The second one can be built of any ar15

[rough verge]

"Hm, nuke these guys for a hotel room and a couple bucks. This will be substantial evil decision making"

[rough verge]

I may get a garand off fb marketplace

[analog wind]

yeah I'm just obsessed with meta I guess as long as it's fun lol

[lusty estuary]

oh actually if you help convince the old racist guy to let the segregated minority group into the tower to live with everyone they'll actually kill everyone because they're evil

[gilded socket]

Oooo

[lilac crag]

skyrim really is just as boring or just as interactive as you make it

[tender horizon]

The strongest stuff in the game requires you to know how to play the game first.

[cosmic burrow]

Then stop. It will get stale really fucking fast.

[lilac crag]

if you had a bad time on skyrim it is almost absolutely on you lol

[analog wind]

lmao

[tender horizon]

Nah skyrim kinda sucks

Like if you want an actual rpg

[cosmic burrow]

Because from all the different weapon in the game you limit yourself to like 5 nelees and 8 guns

[rough verge]

My fault for wanting a melee system other than attack or block or bash

[lethal solstice]

Skyrim is a great game to entirely turn your brain off and wander around in

[cosmic bobcat]

just bought the game, can't open inventory or it'll crash, is this normal? I've tried editing a bunch of ini settings, including reinstalling, im out of ideas. (Nvidia gpu)

[lethal solstice]

Absolutely perfect for that

[cosmic burrow]

Where fo you want to open the inventory

[tender horizon]

Genuinely skyrim is at it's best when you do that

[astral basin]

Ngl
90% of game rotation and drop off
“This is how the game is SUPPOSED to be played” mentality

[rough verge]

I will say, after hitting the penjamin, Skyrim is the perfect level of stimulation and casual

[astral basin]

Skyrim granny

[lusty estuary]

i kinda get this but i think also even then the world isn't really populated with a lot to even make just dementia wandering around worth it

[cosmic burrow]

What? I do t get what you are trying to convey

[lethal solstice]

I don't mean pure wandering

By wander I also mean like

Do quests and stuff

[ripe tangle]

How is everyone tonight?

[lethal solstice]

But thats basically just wandering

[lusty estuary]

but that's what i'm saying

[acoustic pebble]

Sad

[lusty estuary]

like what quests

[tender horizon]

Angry.

Again.

[ripe tangle]

That sucks

[cosmic bobcat]

if i restart the game, i can access loadout -> click weapon (or curio) just fine. but if i come out of a mission, accessing my weapons/curio/commissary will cause error 2001/2002/2004

[lethal solstice]

War in venezuela

[acoustic pebble]

Just some ptsd

[lethal solstice]

Now

[ripe tangle]

why so sad and angry?

[acoustic pebble]

Ptsd

[ripe tangle]

:c

[lusty estuary]

half of them are ambient quests telling you to go to this dungeon and kill these draugr or these bandits or this guy named balthazar the indisputable

[tender horizon]

Because i am watching the imperialistic nature of the US take over again to commit to an Iraq 2 closer to home.

Surely this will go well.

[cosmic burrow]

Fatshark servers

[acoustic pebble]

Lets not talk politics please, that's half of my PTSD

[rough verge]

Mondays amirite

[tender horizon]

Yeah, let's ignore important events.

[cosmic bobcat]

the game will freeze my entire PC, i really dont think its a server issue...

i found a bunch of posts back in June but none of the solutions seem to help

[lilac crag]

I am not one to ever give a shit about politics but unfortunately topics will come and go and it's futile to ask to stop them unless it's mods asking

best to just not engage until it's over

[tender horizon]

They asked why I'm angry, that is the answer.

I don't really need to say anything else about it.

[lusty estuary]

cover your eyes and ears and go la la la la la until your throat hurts and that'll probably be an indicator the topic has shifted

[astral basin]

Most games that come out
The first month is the most glorious bc people are literally just running around exploring
Afterwards, in multiplayer games especially, people are obsessed with word of mouth meta. “This is how you are supposed to play”

[cosmic burrow]

@cosmic bobcat then idk what to tell you

[gilded socket]

Sad loser as always

[cosmic bobcat]

if it is a server issue what can i do?

[cosmic bobcat]

really just trying to solve this and play

[lusty estuary]

you can try putting in a ticket with fat shark's support team

[cosmic burrow]

Ah thats why i tell everyone to stop caring about meta

[lusty estuary]

i believe they've reopened their support line

[cosmic bobcat]

where would i find that?

[lusty estuary]

one moment i will fetch you a link

[astral basin]

It crops up whether you like it or not but ye

[cosmic burrow]

Yeah i know

[lusty estuary]

https://support.fatshark.se/hc/en-us

[cosmic bobcat]

ok ty

[cosmic burrow]

But meta matters in havoc realistically

[rough verge]

Ill drink to thay

Who up drinking on the job chat

[cosmic burrow]

Or am i just good enough that i can play with whatever

[gloomy void]

I am the saddest loser

[lusty estuary]

since the vast majority of meta builds are ones made with havoc in mind it only really matters if you're chaining yourself inside of the pit otherwise you can literally do whatever

[cosmic burrow]

Yeah

[lusty estuary]

skill and like minimal thinking into how you're going to tackle certain obstacles is really all that matters if you're playing with an less than optimal build

[rough verge]

I dont even play dt anymore ngl, I got kind of uninterested

[cosmic burrow]

Take a break

[gilded socket]

Nope

[rough verge]

On that drg grind

[cosmic burrow]

I take breaks from games all the time

[rough verge]

Rock and stone⛏️

[cosmic burrow]

Fun game. People i played with made me hate it

[lusty estuary]

darktide is an easy game to get burnt out in

[rough verge]

Thats rough buddy

[lusty estuary]

especially since we don't get new toys very often

[gloomy void]

Yeah huh

[rough verge]

Darktide is the type of game I would only really enjoy with people I know. The solo q experience is bad but the lfgs are filled with... disagreeable folk. Drg, however, everyone is cool

[gloomy void]

It’s really funny playing Destiny because we get like 30-40 guns a season all with multiple perk rolls and the community finds that to be way to small lol

[twin dirge]

ROCK AND STONE

[rough verge]

I ffucking miss destiny 2

[rough verge]

ROCK AND ROLL AND STONE

[lethal solstice]

Drg's also pretty easy and kinda boring

[lusty estuary]

well to be fair this is mostly because only maybe 5 of those 30-40 guns are worth anything at all

[twin dirge]

Play on higher haz

[cosmic burrow]

Yeah. About that
Was fun bungie unga bungad and destroyed the game

[twin dirge]

I can't go above like haz 4 solo ngl

[lusty estuary]

but the destiny community is hard to please anyways

[lethal solstice]

I play on haz 5

The game just isn't that hard

[delicate vapor]

you should play arc raiders

[lethal solstice]

Or its just actual bullshit

[lusty estuary]

everyone just get on q-up

[modern bobcat]

They need to make a Deep Rock Galactic with the Warhammer space dwarfs

[gloomy void]

Actually the opposite. The game is so easy all those guns are very viable

[modern bobcat]

stone for the stone god, rock and roll for the rock and roll throne

[lusty estuary]

i haven't touched it in a while so maybe they started to figured out how to design new weapons i don't know

[gloomy void]

Helldivers levels of awful community

[rough verge]

I haven't even played this last 2 expansions. Usually im late if anything. But the solo experience stinks and lfging if you wanna run an off meta build is exhausting

[jaunty path]

slaughtered orks in dow 1

[cosmic burrow]

I played around forsaken

[tender horizon]

Seconded

[jaunty path]

Dreadnoughts carried

[tender horizon]

DRG isn't hard enough to be interesting and the OC grind sucks

[rough verge]

I play drg cause I wanna smoke. Not cause I want to be mechanically challenged

[lusty estuary]

well the relationship between developer and community for destiny is the polar opposite of the relationship between arrowhead and the helldivers community

[lyric frigate]

does doing bell skip on karnak twins enable hardmode

[tender horizon]

Yes

[stark bobcat]

Depends on bell

Left, no

Right

[lusty estuary]

it's hard to feel bad for bungie because they're literally firing their entire development team every six months and then slaughtering a pig live on camera and forcing everyone to watch

[stark bobcat]

Yes

[lyric frigate]

hm

ok

we did left side bell

and it was really easy

[stark bobcat]

That normal then

[lyric frigate]

ok

[rough verge]

Bunnies art team will always be peak. The backdrops, environments, enemy design. mwah, all prefect

[lyric frigate]

coo

[twin dirge]

Yesnt, if you don't go above a strike sure, if you engage in raids and such some of the guns are definitely not gonna work, the bigger issue people have when it comes to weapons is just flavor to kind of weapon, for example, the ikelos smg was meta for like 7 seasons because they just didn't make another arc SMG with good perks for ages

[lethal solstice]

I had all overclocks

[twin dirge]

The d2 gun system makes me sad ngl

[lusty estuary]

the helldivers community literally beats arrowhead over the head with hammers over like actually nothing

[twin dirge]

Why can't I just pick what flavor I want my gun to be

[lusty estuary]

dude this enemy made me ragdoll in a mission why can't arrowhead ever do anything fucking right

[lethal solstice]

When I played a bit recently all the oc's in the pool are thr season 5 stuff

[gilded socket]

Nope its me

[lyric frigate]

anyway

[gloomy void]

I feel bad for the devs who just want to make a good game. The upper management tho is miserable. It is funny tho people talk about how “the og people all left years ago” when the upper management ruining everything are all “old guard” from the halo days

[tender horizon]

I stopped caring cause of the week by week time gate+never getting anything i cared about

[lyric frigate]

orthus offensive must be my favorite mission in this game

[rough verge]

Im annoyed with AH because it feels like theyre sitting in the middle of two identities they have in mind for HD. We are spec ops soldiers. Yet they want a grunt fantasy. It doesnt make sense to me

[tender horizon]

I want HD2 to present any form of challenge whatsoever

[twin dirge]

Mine is rolling steel

[rough verge]

Im comfortably challenged when I play helldivers :]

[gloomy void]

Dawg hellidvers have a combat readiness of 27%, average age of like 17-18, and have a 2 minute life expectancy upon deployment

[lethal solstice]

I think the oc grind was what kept me playing

[cosmic burrow]

no mans land is mine

[lyric frigate]

rolling steel would be cool if it didnt have a paranormal property of removing the sense of direction in randoms

[gloomy void]

Diff 10 is baby land rn

It’s sad

[lusty estuary]

this is the only actual legitimate issue with how arrowhead treats helldivers imo

[lethal solstice]

As soon as I ran out and got my last weapon OC (subata embed det) i just lost attention for the game

[lyric frigate]

honorable mentions: no mans land and all carnival missions

[twin dirge]

Mfw I can't play above 8

[lusty estuary]

they're latched onto this particular grounded vision of the game that they already abandoned ages ago but they still let it influence how they design things outside of gameplay

[rough verge]

Im challenged in helldivers cause im in medschool and cant get on the game much

[cosmic burrow]

in drg engi was my jam

[lethal solstice]

Hd2 also just isn't that fun

Kiting sim

Very head empty game

[rough verge]

So hopping on a dif 9 was like as difficult as it got

[gloomy void]

The issue is the original goal was a more tactical, mil sim lite, grunt game. The original presentation they did 2 years ago shows this but in their own words they “attracted a large amount of COD players” and had to make the game more casual. It’s now AH basically going back and forth on please the masses or make the game they want to make

[tender horizon]

Has been forever

[rough verge]

Im a scout main rn

[gilded socket]

Kisses with tongue are peaky

[cosmic burrow]

I was always engi main

But played everyone

[lyric frigate]

i quit deep rock because it just got boring

[lethal solstice]

Truth and real

[delicate vapor]

yall fridge ever look like a fridge so you open yo fridge to get sum out yo fridge

[lusty estuary]

in all fairness to hd2 this at least kind of depends on the enemy you're fighting

[lethal solstice]

Its not that deep a game

[lusty estuary]

bugs are kite city

[rough verge]

I think im playing everyone equally but driller. Not a humongous driller fan rn

[lethal solstice]

Proc gen is the bane of replayability

[lyric frigate]

rock and stone gets quite annoying after hearing it 80 times a day

[nocturne bloom]

roach:

[tender horizon]

Best dwarf

[autumn anvil]

What is the best bully club variant?

[cosmic burrow]

All 3 choose one with moveset you like

[gloomy void]

And bots are “wait i can stand still and they keep missing” city

[nocturne bloom]

id like to play drg again but id have to start over

[cosmic burrow]

Why?

[lusty estuary]

illuminate are also kite city but this time there's a guy who zaps you and makes you scream

[nocturne bloom]

im not using my xbox anymore

[cosmic burrow]

Ah

[rough verge]

I like chunky attacks, rather than sustainfire weapons like flamethrower and cryo

[lusty estuary]

hey. the war striders only miss 50% of the time

[rough verge]

So driller primaries just dont hit it for me

[nocturne bloom]

seeming as my ram costs as much as an xbox

[rough verge]

Rock and stone⛏️

[gloomy void]

I did a bot diff 10 once where i messaged people on my phone for half the mission. Didn’t die once. Truly a difficult grunt shooter that deserves such a volatile calm for weapon buffs and enemy nerfs

[tender horizon]

I like going directly from final obj to extract in a straight line

[cosmic burrow]

My typical engi set was the smg, grenade launcher with ammo overclock, mk2 setry

[rough verge]

Drg probably my favorite game oat

[rough verge]

In that scenario I very much enjoyed being driller

[nocturne bloom]

i think i only played gunner

[gilded socket]

Ough

[gloomy void]

Why Darktide is better. The highest difficulty is actually you know difficult. Even if it is a mess

[lethal solstice]

Use rj instead

[cosmic burrow]

Rj?

[lethal solstice]

Rj can hit grunt 1 tap with fire

[twin dirge]

I like hd2 because I can take a shovel, go dig a trench, and then get grenaded by a war strider, peak gameplay

[lethal solstice]

Has 21 rounds

[rough verge]

Right know im running scout m1k with ass, spowder boomstick, and cryo nades

[lethal solstice]

And let's you rocket jump

[lusty estuary]

it is kind of crazy how the vast majority of outcry about an enemy in helldivers needing to be nerfed seems to just come from people who seemingly have never actually played a video game

[rough verge]

Rj250

Nutty

[cosmic burrow]

Ah no

Hated that

[lethal solstice]

Its just kinda the best

Somehow

The goofy meme oc just wins

[nocturne bloom]

ive seen people dig a trench and fill it with mines, they all stick in one spot and launch anything to space

[cosmic burrow]

If i wanted to play demoman id play tf2

[lusty estuary]

i feel like the only time i have ever felt like an the way an enemy functioned in helldivers needed to be changed was when the illuminate were given maps outside of the super cities and the leviathans had the ability to fire at you from any range

[twin dirge]

I know what I'm doing tonight

[lusty estuary]

and it's like even then all that needed to be changed was their detection radius

[modern bobcat]

One of the problems in DT on higher difficulties is it still doesn't feel like Vermintide 2 did on hardest diffs

[visual vortex]

I do not like drg

[lethal solstice]

Hey I'll be a few miles ahead when you change your mind

[twin dirge]

My favorite game is darkest dungeon 2

[visual vortex]

Good take

[gloomy void]

So i played on release right. “Devastators are bullet sponges” was a legitimate community complaint i saw everywhere. Most guns one-two shot them if you hit the very noticeable skull weakspot

[cosmic burrow]

I used compact rounds worked fine

[visual vortex]

I dont like that they made the Crusader lad a dlc

[rough verge]

Ok

[lethal solstice]

Yeah compact rounds is fine

[cosmic burrow]

Otherwise i used the laser

[lethal solstice]

But rj reloads faster, has more ammo, and retains breakpoints

[rain idol]

And still the fanbase will get mad and strongarm arrowhead into making it easier

[rough verge]

I like spowder but I dont like rj250. Self damage just feels yucky, even if its just a little

[twin dirge]

I'm only ok with it because unlocking him is super fun, the quest kinda smacks

[lethal solstice]

Also lets you do the pure sex play of get surrounded -> fire at feet -> kill everything around you and then be 20 meters away

[visual vortex]

I like the boss though

[cosmic burrow]

Fair point. But i wont be returning to drg. Being forced to play diffs that are too hard for you is not good. Also not fun

[gloomy void]

I saw some guy say “yeah maybe they buff us 40% but the buff enemies 70%”. Every single enemy is weaker now than they were on launch

[rough verge]

I just dont really like the gunplay in helldivers tbh. Dive spam simulator

[twin dirge]

This is based on the assumption people can aim

[visual vortex]

I want to say the boss at the end of the quest had a finger or ear necklace

[rain idol]

It makes you wonder if half those people are sentient

[gloomy void]

As someone who played HD1 i miss the feeling of needing to work together and play smart to win

[visual vortex]

But i havent played Darkest dungeon 1 or 2 in a hot minute

[gloomy void]

The series lost its charm

Not even the satire is fun anymore because people actually believe it

[visual vortex]

We NEED a meta that you pay for only for them to NERF! 🗣️

[lethal solstice]

The writing is still kinda funny

[visual vortex]

You will take your warbonds and you will like it!

[lethal solstice]

Because of how utterly blunt it is

Like

[gloomy void]

One of the best guns rn is free

[lethal solstice]

You cannot bash someone over the head harder

[gloomy void]

Also all the warbonds are free

[rain idol]

Can’t even ask about actual lore stuff without some git telling you to face the wall

[visual vortex]

Whoch one

[lethal solstice]

""""Free""""

[lusty estuary]

this was kind of a problem with a first game too but this happens with any game that presents a satirical narrative on fascists but also lets you play the fascists

[gloomy void]

Damn like 1 hour of SC grinding. Oh the horror

[lethal solstice]

It is faster to work at american federal minimum wage then to grind for super credits

[gloomy void]

It actually isn’t

[nocturne bloom]

not really

[lethal solstice]

How much do you make in an hour

[twin dirge]

Warlord was very fun, fuck he can be a pain once he just starts showing up on road fights tho

[gloomy void]

Are you guys like slow walking across the map alone?

[lethal solstice]

In credits

[visual vortex]

He was on the roadmaps?

[nocturne bloom]

you can grind a warbond in 45 min and get a good chunk of medals

[gloomy void]

1000 or more if you actually do it right

[visual vortex]

I just saw him and beat him in 20s or something

[lethal solstice]

10 dollar an hour

Marvelous

[nocturne bloom]

10 dollars an hour doesnt get you medals mate

[gloomy void]

Yeah which is a lot better than most games 0 and hour

[visual vortex]

🗣️ten dollars

[twin dirge]

After you unlock crus fr the warlord can just show up at road fights lmfao

[astral basin]

Warbonds are potentially free

[gloomy void]

“Grrthis stuff isn’t actually free i have to play the game for an hour to get it!”

[visual vortex]

I genuinely never saw him

[lusty estuary]

even if you could get the super credits for a warbond in like five seconds i still find the system to be kind of lame

[lethal solstice]

And a lot of games don't lock 90% of your primary options behind money

[rough verge]

I do NOT have the time to be grinding😂 i will be paying 10 dollars

[nocturne bloom]

isnt lockef behind money

[twin dirge]

It's rare, and I'm pretty sure it's a death situation where you have to be using crus

[lusty estuary]

i think it's a bad way to handle introducing new content into the game

[lethal solstice]

You aren't playing the game

[gloomy void]

It isn’t locked behind money

[lethal solstice]

You are working a job more or less

[nocturne bloom]

only gun in helldivers locked behind money is the Knight

[lethal solstice]

You are doing the second easiest difficulty as fast as possible

[somber stream]

Knight is goated btw

[visual vortex]

Warlord is a twitter user and crusader said something funny

[twin dirge]

Anyone that complains about the hd2 warbond system is just objectively wrong

[nocturne bloom]

indeed

[gloomy void]

It takes literally one hour. Even less optimally

[visual vortex]

Knight is really good

[nocturne bloom]

takes me ab 45 min

[visual vortex]

I pair it with the ballistics shield when i played

[gloomy void]

You cannot be arguing this shit in darktide of all places. “Mmm yes here’s reskin number 37. 20 dollars pls”

[nocturne bloom]

good for hive world ssd optional objs too

[lusty estuary]

well okay those are cosmetics though

[lethal solstice]

Darktide has 2 pieces of content behind money

[lusty estuary]

like it still sucks but it's not the literal actual content of the game

[lethal solstice]

The entire rest is cosmetic

[visual vortex]

Makes me feel like a cop

[astral basin]

I look away for 5 minutes and idk what the convo became

[gloomy void]

Yeah and the warbonds take 45 minutes to earn currency for and give you some back

That is incredibly generous for a game nowadays

[nocturne bloom]

again, grinding sc also gives medals to buy stuff in the warbond

[lethal solstice]

Barely

[visual vortex]

Easiest way to fix it is to add after main penance rewards where you get free aquilas for rewards that go up the more penances you do

[nocturne bloom]

medals are also easier to grind bc of blitz missions

[lethal solstice]

Also doesn't optimal farming not complete missions

[gloomy void]

So again darktide. Class dlcs. Want to use a gun and shield together? Oop better buy arbites.

Not saying this is bad btw. More just funny

[somber stream]

Is people seriously bitching about Helldiver's Warbond system?

[lethal solstice]

8 dollars

[visual vortex]

Ogryn and vet

[lethal solstice]

For an entire class

[gloomy void]

12 actually

[twin dirge]

Sometimes I wish you could buy medals in hd2, I'm so incredibly lazy

[lethal solstice]

Instead of 2 guns

[gilded socket]

@somber stream

[nocturne bloom]

its reoccurring here

[gloomy void]

With no easy optional free route to get ut

Holy shit you are just being stupid rn

[somber stream]

It's some of the best implementation out there

[tender horizon]

My only real comment on the warbonds is they hardcore do not feel worthwhile post like, viper commandos

[lethal solstice]

Oh I confused the prices of the cosmetic upgrade and base class

[visual vortex]

Counter-argument: dog

[lethal solstice]

In any case

[lusty estuary]

it's a false equivalency though even if i think there shouldn't be these types of microtransactions in a game like darktide at all

[lethal solstice]

In what world is 1 rifle that probably isn't good, one ok pistol, a backpack you will use twice, and 2 niche armor the value equivalent of 1 of 6 full classes

[rough verge]

Im neutral since I just kinda feel eh about the game itself.

[gloomy void]

The warbonds give guns, strats, emotes, armor sets, emblems, vehicle customizations, grenades, titles, and emotes

[nocturne bloom]

when you can get it free

[lusty estuary]

but like i can give helldivers credit where credit is due at least you can get the currency for free

[visual vortex]

Wait who the hell even uses emotes in hd2

[lethal solstice]

""Free""

[nocturne bloom]

not boring people

[visual vortex]

Ive only ised the laugh

[lethal solstice]

Invest an hour of my time to perform work

[nocturne bloom]

if you arent lazy

[lethal solstice]

I could just work an extra hour at my job for more value

[lusty estuary]

now whether or not any of what you're getting from most of these warbonds are worth the grind at all is another thing

[gloomy void]

You are completely misunderstanding my point. I am not arguing value. I am saying your argument of them “locking guns to warbonds” is stupid when Darktide literally locks guns to a purchase you can’t optionally earn for free

[nocturne bloom]

clearly you dont

[somber stream]

"Oh no i must play the game i bought"

[nocturne bloom]

[visual vortex]

I am incredibly lazy

[lethal solstice]

Grinding sc isn't playing the game

[astral basin]

ahem

[gloomy void]

Those cosmetics you earn in Havoc apparently aren’t free cause i had to play the game for them

[astral basin]

battlefield 6 and ARC raiders waiting on the backload

[somber stream]

You can earn enough SC for a Warbond by playing the game normally for 4-5 days

[lethal solstice]

Havoc is actual gameplay though

[visual vortex]

But you're ON the game playing to grind for sc

[lethal solstice]

Not speedrunning dif 2 then quitting to reset

[tender horizon]

Ime you have to go out of your way to farm SC

[gloomy void]

You can earn credits by playing normally as well. The starting warbond even gives you a bunch. You are just whining to whine rn

[nocturne bloom]

not even how its done

[lusty estuary]

helldivers 2 is actually just a monotonous super credits grind with everything else being a mini game

[rough verge]

I wish all the white armor pieces didnt have slightly different shades making it impossible to get fashionista

[visual vortex]

Fuck bf6 used gen ai

[lethal solstice]

You get the point

[gloomy void]

Stratagem hero is the real game

[tender horizon]

Hd2 fashion is genuinely a fuckin disaster tbh, idk why every color has to have minimum 5 different shades and materials

[lusty estuary]

they should really update the main draw of the game which is deploying into a level 1 mission and running in a circle to find all of the pickups exiting to the super destroyer and doing it all over again for an hour and a half

[lethal solstice]

4 armor modifiers out of like 20 or whatever, most of which aren't interesting
3 variants of one shotgun
2 variants of one dmr
2 variants of the base rifle
1 pistol
Like 3 or whatever grenades

[nocturne bloom]

pretty realistic tbh, happens a lot irl

[lethal solstice]

All of the actually interesting stuff is behind premium warbonds

[twin dirge]

Does this guy not know you can just play the game normally and earn enough sc for a pass in like 3 days?

[nocturne bloom]

gun manufacturing has had that issue for over a decade

[rough verge]

Me when all the medic armor looks atrocious for no reason:

[tender horizon]

Did they buff sc drop rates or something

[visual vortex]

Counter argument: You could get the Chrome outfit for free

[tender horizon]

Minty fresh lookin ass

[lethal solstice]

Playing the game normally is like 10-20 credits over a half hour

[nocturne bloom]

feels it tbh

[lusty estuary]

no it's either the same as it has been on launch or worse depending on who you ask

[nocturne bloom]

i only play a few games every day and make around 150 to 200 sc

[lethal solstice]

Or actually none on a fairly large amount of maps and objectives

[tender horizon]

Ime you absolutely did not get enough SC for a pass just playing the game for a few days

[nocturne bloom]

wrong tbh

[rough verge]

Pack of spearmint extra looking ass

[tender horizon]

You genuinely had to go out of your way to go farm diff 1s

[lusty estuary]

you absolutely don't a lot of it just comes down to luck

[twin dirge]

....do you just not go to side objs? You can easily earn over 150 in a single mission lmfao

[lusty estuary]

if you got lucky and got a few +100 pickups in a row maybe

[visual vortex]

Makes you look like you used the christmas tree as a suit

[astral basin]

Old news. Their claim is they hit the randomize button a few times so they can get inspiration.
The stencil vs the art type of situation

[surreal ermine]

i wish i lived in the magic world of getting two billion SC by playing a few missions normally per day
full clearing maps d10 gets you fuckall half the time

[lethal solstice]

150 in a single mission is insane

[gloomy void]

It’s the same. AH has said they don’t plan to change how you get them even tho they want to because of “emotional exhaustion from community drama”. They want to add more to high diff and less on low but that would cause a mess drama wise

[tender horizon]

Yeah nah, you were lucky to get 40 ime

[hidden whale]

when I wanted my first warbond I spammed difficulty 1 for like 2 hours

[lethal solstice]

I have never seen that many

Ever

[hidden whale]

it was just kind of... boring

[nocturne bloom]

you can make far more if youre lucky, ive had 200 in one room lol

[hidden whale]

I dont like farming/grinding in sleeper difficulties

[visual vortex]

Then wouldn't the eagle on the patch not have had a different wing?

[gloomy void]

You can get like 300 a mission if your really really lucky

[hidden whale]

cuase I wanted to crash out in diff 10, but theres little SC to be gained there

[tender horizon]

Ive only seen 150 SC missions when I got insanely lucky and got a 100 SC spawn

[hidden whale]

more important to clear the map and win

[lethal solstice]

Thats an astronomically rare event

[lusty estuary]

we're all just forgetting to really stress the fact a lot of it just comes down to rng

[gloomy void]

The sc pickup can be 10, 20, or even on rare occasions 100

[nocturne bloom]

not as rare as people think

[rough verge]

Excited for bg4, know its never gonna live up to 3 but im Excited either way

[lusty estuary]

i think on average there is maybe like 5 pickups on a map

[nocturne bloom]

im sure licht has had it a few times

[tender horizon]

I'm ngl it feels disingenuous as fuck to go "yeah I get 150 sc a mission"

Like that shit just does not happen every mission

[surreal ermine]

i got so sick of the SC song and dance man, on top of hd2 just getting easier over time ive mostly given up with it

[gloomy void]

Either way the point here is the complaints about the warbonds are kinda stupid cause the game is mad generous

[visual vortex]

Thought it was 8 or 10

[jaunty path]

Hd2 is gonna keep juicing new war bonds so yall gotta turn sc hunting into a job

[tender horizon]

30-50 was normal if you full cleared ime

[clever horizon]

You mean divinity original sin 3 return of lucian

[nocturne bloom]

i honestly get close to 50 at a minimum

[lusty estuary]

i have never seen this ever in my life i fucking wish man

[hidden whale]

spamming difficulty 1 I got maybe 30-50 on average

[lusty estuary]

even when i'm actively looking for that shit it's like maybe 6

[hidden whale]

higher difficulty there was wasnt enough bandwidth in most pugs to fully clear the map

so the farm rate was much worse

[rough verge]

Ive never even smelled that franchise tbh

[astral basin]

I get 0-30 on an average mission
My play mates do NOT chase supply caches
They chase getting blown up

[clever horizon]

It's good

[visual vortex]

It's the edges of the map

[clever horizon]

Sourceror lol

[hidden whale]

plus if you wanna solo bunkers you need the warp pack

[nocturne bloom]

its really not hard to get around 50 a game

[nocturne bloom]

no

[hidden whale]

which is pretty far down a warbond on its own

[tender horizon]

If you like bg3 you'd probably like Div Original Sin 2

[nocturne bloom]

you can use the exosuit

[lethal solstice]

Bg4 isn't even talked about anywhere

[hidden whale]

yeah but its kind of glitchy... ;.;

[nocturne bloom]

its free

[gloomy void]

Hell nowadays diff 1 farming and diff 10 are the same level of boring. You just don’t pay much attention to the game and talk to friends

[hidden whale]

it also assumes you even own an exosuit yet

which wasnt true when I started

(though its super easy to get)

[nocturne bloom]

easy to get

[rough verge]

Maybe eventually. I dont have money to be slinging on games till I graduate

[tender horizon]

Nah I understand

[visual vortex]

Exosuit kinda ass ngl

[gloomy void]

[lethal solstice]

If i wanted to do that I would play a good game

Probably grim dawn right now

[tender horizon]

I only ever liked Exo during the loomies landing ships missions

[visual vortex]

I want dual minigun 🗣️ 🔥

[nocturne bloom]

spoken like someone who hasnt been on a hive world

[gloomy void]

I agree the game isn’t good. Your warbond complaint just was stupid is all

[lusty estuary]

once they introduce the illuminate cult faction after having them sitting in the game files for ages everything will be okay

[rough verge]

I wojld love exosuit if they just didnt look terrible

[lusty estuary]

i will kill the necromancer

[visual vortex]

And had awful armor

[hidden whale]

I had to stop playing cause the game started nuking everyones computers, and even hard bricked a few

[surreal ermine]

yeah i cannot be fucked to farm sc for another warbond stuffed full of mostly boring shite + a gun in the superstore now

[nocturne bloom]

truly the 100gbs we saw vanish

[clever horizon]

How does dark tide chat hate Skyrim AND helldiver's 2

[hidden whale]

idk if they fixed that yet...

[gloomy void]

Each one had a unique design in HD1

[nocturne bloom]

bc its darktide chat

[lethal solstice]

Because both are mid and expensive

[rough verge]

I JUST hate Skyrim. Im pretty neutral to helldivers

[hidden whale]

I love skyrim and like hd2. youre probably just reading the least liked messages

[tender horizon]

Someone leaked these things to me the month squid released and I've still just been waiting for a real faction identity for squids cause they were my favorite hd1 faction

[lusty estuary]

i'm just a really complex individual

[surreal ermine]

this never happened and was grossly exaggerated

[visual vortex]

Because darktide better

[tender horizon]

Personally I think theyre both wildly boring

[hidden whale]

I have a very good setup and the game started running like trash

[lethal solstice]

Illuminate in hd1 were weird

[hidden whale]

just my personal experience

[clever horizon]

Finally a good opinion

[lethal solstice]

Machine gun faction

[surreal ermine]

i mean yeah the game performance just sucks but it never bricked peoples pcs

[gloomy void]

The hard bricking thing was mostly fake btw. Ohdough the guy who started that shit ran so many things on his pc at once when it happened. Like legitimately it was almost intentional levels of “fuck my pc up”

[visual vortex]

Im a man of excellent takes

[tender horizon]

High dps faction that had a lot of neat quirks(i ran autocannon jump pack personally)

[hidden whale]

hmm. ok I got caught by the bricking propaganda

[visual vortex]

Anything else is a lie

[hidden whale]

its still true in my personal experience that the frame drops would make the game unplayable sometimes

[rough verge]

Bro misdiagnosed his pcs death😂😂

[lusty estuary]

it really does suck having the opening bit for the illuminate be them like almost exclusively using hundreds of psuedo-zombies with like three guys in medium armor

[gloomy void]

Because i like difficulty in games and Helldivers lost that over a year ago

[hidden whale]

hd2 had a problem for a minute with introducing very badly designed enemies

[visual vortex]

Warstrider

[lusty estuary]

everything they're doing with the illuminate tracks narratively but is kind of boring in practice

[hidden whale]

I think they added some weakspots, but it wasnt fun dealing with 100 warstriders

a map

[clever horizon]

The new bugs on oshuanne were good

[hidden whale]

and also fleshmobs or whatever

[tender horizon]

Hd2 youtubers honestly rival DT youtubers in how fucking stupid they are.

[visual vortex]

I would be a rlly good darktide youtuber

[surreal ermine]

i keep seeing people complaining about the fire devastators now
cannot wait for yet another bot unit to be nerfed into the dirt

[lethal solstice]

Idk my final words about hd2 is its a fun play with toys game but the game really does not want you to have new toys easy
You either buy in, mindlessly grind a lot, or simply invest a disproportionate amount of time

[visual vortex]

I would only tell lies and clickbait

[hidden whale]

I feel like anyone who would have the skill to be a good darktide or hd2 youtuber would pick a better game instead

[gloomy void]

The issue of powercreep. The gear we have is so strong now that shit like the war strider releases with shut that “breaks the faction rules” because the enemies have to be bullshit to match us. But bullshit isn’t fun. You want fun enemies again the gear also needs a nerf

[visual vortex]

I like darktide though

[odd shadow]

Genuinely darktide is more harder than hd2 imo I have both and I enjoy both games but I love the intensity of Darktide

[lethal solstice]

Not even imo

[rough verge]

I dont watch either tbh. The only "darktide" youtuber I would ever watch is like maybe bricky on a good day

[lethal solstice]

That is an objective statement

[astral basin]

Idk man im just wanna waste time playing a game thats more than just half decent
If i wanted to spend that time obsessing over the exact details of every production decision id try getting a job at ign or something. Run a whistleblower forum

[lethal solstice]

Darktide is better

[rough verge]

Grass is green ahh take

[lusty estuary]

the only support stratagem should be the autocannon until everyone learns how to behave

[surreal ermine]

yeah hd2 doesnt have much of a skill ceiling, its like 90% just knowledge checks for weakpoints and loadouts

[odd shadow]

Not really but ok

[tender horizon]

I don't watch em either, I still have to hear about em tho

[visual vortex]

WE NEED BULLET SPONGES ENEMIES FUCK UNIQUE DESIGNS!!!1!1!1🗣️🔥💯

[gloomy void]

Barely that anymore

[tender horizon]

It's my favorite tbh

[modern bobcat]

What we really need in Darktide

is Plaguebearers

[gloomy void]

Someone shot the enemy with the wrong gun

[hidden whale]

catgirls

oh plaguebearers

ok

[rough verge]

Lord forbid the chat ever goes off about He Who Shant Be Named

[odd shadow]

Morningstar will get bent over

[lusty estuary]

i was an autocannon truther from day one

[visual vortex]

No im always right

[astral basin]

Mfw i play ragdoll simulator every bot match

[modern bobcat]

They can be Catgirl plaguebearers, like corrupted Felinids

[quaint moss]

real

[surreal ermine]

autocannon was 4 the real ones

[modern bobcat]

Mewrgle

[visual vortex]

It's never MY fault

[tender horizon]

You've already set off the chain reaction by saying that

[visual vortex]

It's only the game's fault

[hidden whale]

ragdoll simulator is a lot of fun with friends for the first few hours

[modern bobcat]

Nah, Zealot can handle them

[tender horizon]

Same, I unlocked that thing and never looked back tbh.

[gloomy void]

What darktide needs is a dating sim with Hadron, Kayex, Morrow, Zola, and a random ogyrn named Boot

[cosmic burrow]

dam

[hidden whale]

not so much fun after like... 50

I want to control my character

[surreal ermine]

real

[lusty estuary]

kayex please let me into the engine room and i need to do something

[cosmic burrow]

we have brunt miss

[gloomy void]

Brunt is busy doing spy shit. Boot is both free for the day and is a romantic