general-chat

[stable path]

i'm going to kill chaos

[fair bridge]

it's kinda sad to retire a wallet

[stuck wasp]

Civilians sure, they're not really understanding what it is
But even Guardsmen aren't mind wiped or thing

[dapper mantle]

do we know what's going on with the other side of the rift?

[fair bridge]

this one's been in service for about 7 years

[dapper mantle]

where Dante is?

[tender horizon]

Understand, nah, but they defo know it exists now

[tropic sorrel]

Mods are evil for not letting me post a Jack gif right now

[tender horizon]

Hell

[high sage]

Yes

[tender horizon]

Bad Things™

[fair bridge]

i'm not gonna throw it away though, it's gonna sit somewhere that it can see nature

[tropic sorrel]

They do NOT respect Jack's Strength

[stuck wasp]

Imperium Seccundus is just like the normal Imperium but worse

[high sage]

it fucking sucks even more

[stable path]

i think nihilus is basically getting smacked around

[high sage]

The Imperium is awful already, Nihlus is like the Imperium

but even worse

[stable path]

until they make a big story about it

[high sage]

and also chaos empires are spouting up

as well

[stable path]

fr fr

[high sage]

most of it is Rulebook lore

[dapper mantle]

but no major development? like some rando primarch returning (I know Lion and Girlyman did)

[high sage]

Lion is in Nihlus

[dapper mantle]

oh

[stable path]

yeah the lion went there to assist dante

[dapper mantle]

I'm ignorant then kek

[high sage]

He is quite literally in the ass end of nowhere

well

he didn't go there to assist dante

he was there already

[stable path]

oh ?

[high sage]

Rather The Rock was there

[stable path]

ah yea

its true

mb

[dapper mantle]

maybe I should actually read instead of listening to lore synopsis

[high sage]

Meh

[tender horizon]

GW when its time to put good lore in rulebooks that will not be reprinted after the edition is done

[high sage]

Its mostly rulebook lore

[high sage]

Rulebook lore is good, unfortunately its also inacessible as fuck after 2 editions

lol

[tender horizon]

Yup

[high sage]

8e rulebooks were great

They had all the lore

from previous codexes

aside from short stories

but w/e, they had all the events in them

[stable path]

dont people pool together to make pirate copies shared on private servers or torrenting websites and whatnot? dont ping mods rn

[tender horizon]

Im ngl they should release compendiums of the rulebook lore after an edition is done

Id buy those

[high sage]

same

[high sage]

I mean yeah

[dapper mantle]

same

[high sage]

but its still a PITA

[tender horizon]

Yeah

Yeah it is

[high sage]

anyways, 1 morbillion more dollars to chaos winning

[stable path]

what do u mean its a delicious bread originating from mediterranean cuisine

[high sage]

because chaos has won every single crusade/warzone book starting 9e

lol

[stable path]

no i truly dont know what u mean by PITA i'm esl

[high sage]

pain in the ass

lol

[stable path]

lol

never heard anyone abbreviate it like that

[amber delta]

I think bro just made it up on the spot

[stable path]

well yea but at least its gotta be there somewhere

[tender horizon]

DM'd you something btw

[dapper trench]

You really dont want a large amount of people knowing about the chaos gods.

[high sage]

Knowing about Chaos is bad

rather knowing too much about it is bad

[stuck wasp]

Not knowing enough about is equally as bad

[tender horizon]

See

I always took it as

Knowing too little is bad but education is good

[dapper trench]

Thanks m8

[dapper mantle]

can rejects fight a pack of hormagaunt?

[high sage]

Uh

gameplay wise yes

lore wise, need psyker or ogryn

[stuck wasp]

Probably not that wrong, as there were some factions that studied and had museums about Chaos

[high sage]

Hormagaunts are like kind of horrifying lol

[stuck wasp]

TT wise they could

[high sage]

They're like the size of a human

and have guns that eat you

as in the projectiles fired eat you

[tender horizon]

I don't want nids proper as enemies but I want GSC

[stuck wasp]

get wormed

[tender horizon]

The stealers themselves acting like bosses

[high sage]

they keep on gnawing until they get to your nervous system and then they eat the nervous system first

lol

lore accurate space marine 2, where Titus and CO must spend 15 minutes between firefights pulling out fleshborer beetles

so they don't compromise the armor and eat them alive

[stuck wasp]

I don't want GSC 💀
I'd very much prefer if DT remained Human vs Chaos

[high sage]

wait no

hormagauntss are the melee one

I'm stupid

[dapper mantle]

yeah

[high sage]

💀

[dapper mantle]

termagaunts are the ranged ones

[high sage]

still would suck to fight them

I always get the 2 mixed up

for some reason lol

[dapper mantle]

Im always tempted to call them zerlings/hydralisk

cause thats what they are kek

[high sage]

honestly they'd suck to fight lol

they're like kind of huge

[tender horizon]

I dream of GSC in the secondary hive tbh

[high sage]

like bigger then poxhounds

[dapper mantle]

weren't there some speculation based on voice lines that hints at gsc?

[fair bridge]

i'm letting the old wallet sit in the window

i think it'll like that

[dapper mantle]

what did you do to it

[fair bridge]

replaced it 😔

[dapper mantle]

oh, well at least it still has a home

[fair bridge]

yeah i'm not gonna throw it away

best wallet i ever shoplifted

[dapper mantle]

lmao

what's the new one

[stuck wasp]

There isn't really anything that squarely point to GSC being on Atoma, and the only GSC line that kinda matter to the narrative is the one that wasbrought on the Mourningstar, and then killed by Brunt

[fair bridge]

some timberland one i got off amazon

it's really fucking thick, it pisses me off

[stable path]

it makes sense since u had no wallet before u couldnt bring money with u to buy the wallet

[fair bridge]

you see the science

[stable path]

Legalmaxxers dont realize you can simply walk out the store with what u need...

[wintry hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn0bOd_1Wts

[fair bridge]

i used to work at that store too

[stable path]

Based

[shy panther]

Legalmaxxers be like "but but stealing is wrong!!!" man the 50 billion dollar corp wont notice that pack of lay's is gone

[dapper mantle]

just don't get caught

[shy panther]

im shoplifting even when i get paid, fuck that

[fair bridge]

i don't do it anymore since i have money now

[shy panther]

i do it for the love of the game

[dapper mantle]

you wouldn't download a car

[fair bridge]

that's kleptomania

fuck it's 2:30 already

[stable path]

Its actually 8:35 pm

[dapper mantle]

kleptomania god fearing

[dapper mantle]

east coast?

[fair bridge]

i wanted to get one of those dumbass ridge wallets but everyone i know that has one is the kind of person that doesn't tip because they think that service workers make enough

[fair bridge]

yes yes

beast coast

beast coast i'm afraid

[tender horizon]

For me its more meta reasons like the scab ai can be reused for GSC neophyte gunner types.

They're a simple and logical second faction that I believe will eventually come mainly off the premise VT2 had like 3 factions

[dapper mantle]

if that happends I wonder how they would monetize it
probably as a paid DLC, but that might split the playerbase

[stable path]

yea they make sense lorewise and power scaling wise too

[stuck wasp]

VT2 having 3 factions is somewhat irrelevant tbh, but if you want to look at it, the 3 factions in VT2 were possible to be made allies.
GSC wouldn't make sense as allies to the Scab+Dreg

[stable path]

nah a new enemy faction would have to be a free update

[dapper mantle]

I think they meant easier to "code"
basically same unit with a reskin?

[tender horizon]

As allies strictly, no, but GSC are known for infiltrating humans.

[dapper mantle]

nvm kek

[tender horizon]

That is what I meant fwiw

[stable path]

i could see gsc corrupting scabs or dregs actually

[stuck wasp]

Enemies can't really be sold here, as you don't really have a host.
And they've promised that Maps, missions and modes to be remaining free, so if a faction happen, it'll probably keep a lot of animations of the current ones, but act as a new Chaos cult joining in the fray

[stable path]

im sure there are example of chaos cults being corrupted and infiltrated by gsc

its a cool idea too imo

[stuck wasp]

If there are GSC on Atoma, they'd more probably go and help us, Chaos is bad for their business

[stable path]

as GSC just try to spread, they dont even realize theyre GSC and dont care about who they are trying to corrupt

[tender horizon]

They might be already.

[stuck wasp]

None, but there is the inverse, with iirc the Cult Tenebrous being a GSC that fell under the influence of Nurgle

[stable path]

interesting

[tender horizon]

Tbh I simply find them more realistic than like orks or Eldar that I've seen people throw out

[stable path]

bruh we wouldnt stand a chance against orks

[stuck wasp]

Eldars wouldn't work as a tide

[tender horizon]

Not at all

[stable path]

and yea eldars just dont work

[shy panther]

us as eldar

humans as the tide

[stuck wasp]

And Orks wouldn't in DT. But they'd make a great tide game (and some at FS want that)

[tender horizon]

Orks would be a great tide game for SM, I feel

[ocean widget]

orks vs guardsmen with us as the orks

[tender horizon]

Deathwatch Tide when

[shy panther]

like... Space Marine 1?

[stuck wasp]

Honestly I'd rather just see some Cults of Khorne, Slaanesh and Tzeentch join the fray

[shy panther]

the one with orks?

[tender horizon]

Kinda, yeah.

Thats not really a tide game at all tho

[shy panther]

i mean yeah not per-se

[stuck wasp]

SM tide game would be kinda lame to me.
Much less variety to be had

[tender horizon]

Personally

I've simply wanted a deathwatch game forever

Thr variety is kinda endless there

[stable path]

would love a new game by the studio who made chaosgate daemonhunters, but instead its like deathwatch xenohunters

[stuck wasp]

Still heavily restricted toward what they can do personality wise, and weapon wise too.
Compared to for example having something like Darktide, or having some Eldars as player side

[tender horizon]

See i disagree

Personality wise SM are at their most interesting in Deathwatch

Weaponwise deathwatch also has access to anything you can think of and more including sanctified xenos stuff

[stuck wasp]

Yes, but they're still more restricted compared to here

[stable path]

i mean deathwatch have access to a very wide variety of loadouts

basically the widest range of wargear for space marines

[little marten]

Are plasma gunners based now?!

[stable path]

could easily make 4 classes right out the gate based on devastator, tactical, assault and scout archetypes but u could go much deeper

with deathwatch being specialists

[tender horizon]

Weird of the week also works for em

You can justify any xenos for any sort of mission and they still deploy against chaos

[elder merlin]

[stuck wasp]

I think that's more somethat wouldn't work for FS

[stable path]

yea its actually very easy to set up deathwatch stories, curous there are no games about them yet

except sm2 intro

[tender horizon]

Theyre not very popular

[stuck wasp]

Cause they're quite less iconic that Grey Knights or Ultramarine

Or Blood Angels

[stable path]

i think theyre much cooler than grey knights tbh

[tender horizon]

Also they had a game

[stable path]

theyre my favorite "special" chapter

[tender horizon]

It was an xcom like that got taken off steam store for a reason I do not remember

[stable path]

not even a chapter but u get it

huh thats true?

im a fiend for xcom likes

im playing an xcom like rn

[tender horizon]

Warhammer 40,000: Deathwatch

[stable path]

there was one turn based strategy game that got taken off steam, sanctus reach, but its about space wolves

[tender horizon]

If you wanna go hunt it down

[stable path]

sure

[stable path]

looks mid unfortunately, originally a mobile game that got ported to pc and eventually just discontinued

doesnt count!

[tender horizon]

Its not good

But it exists lol

[dapper mantle]

lowkey I like the grey knights but I don't think they are that popular lol

[elder hare]

Theyre def surging in popularity

[tender horizon]

I low key hate the GKs but its entirely cause of late 5e ptsd

[dapper mantle]

they need a range refresh

is that the SOB incident?

[elder hare]

teleports behind u nothing personnel kid

[stuck wasp]

Book wise they are quite popular

[tender horizon]

No, the gameplay

They were a cancerous army to play into

[dapper mantle]

oh nvm lol

I can't say much about that but I played a game or two on 9
I like their movement trick. But other than that they are kinda... meh?

[tender horizon]

Back in late 5e they had one of the only flyers in the game and I played fucking world eaters

[dapper mantle]

lol

[elder hare]

rip in pieces, melee vs unmeleeable

[stable path]

grey knights are kinda swag but they are also supposed to be too op and theyre grimderp

[tender horizon]

Was not fun

[elder hare]

yeah thats why i play custodes

def balanced

100%

[stable path]

like we already have "uncorruptible, better than space marines" in custodes

[elder hare]

im surprised ragnar wasn't the "psyker elite space marines" schtick before he went traitor

[dapper mantle]

too op
until the writer decide that they are just trash
didn't some space wolves eat them for breakfast or whatever
month of shame is it

[tender horizon]

Fwiw every single written faction just has some absolutely dogshit lore moments from time to time imo

[stable path]

i think GK would be better if they werent supposed to be superior to regular SM and so damn privileged, just make them specialised in daemon hunting without the added bullshit

[stable path]

yea well cant go agaisnt the authors

[elder hare]

plot armor strongest armor in the world

lore sword cuts stronger than bushido blade folded 1000 times

[tender horizon]

Uh yeah so my guy is the factions leader and he wears golden armor and his sword is the only sword that can kill daemons

[elder hare]

Dorn?

[tender horizon]

Well ackshually my faction leader is cooler cause he's red and his sword absorbs the life force of everything he kills so he's immortal

[tender horizon]

Big E

[elder hare]

LOL

[tender horizon]

And Farsight respectively

[ancient violet]

Big..... 😈

[elder hare]

gottem

I hope Space Marines 3 let us play as GKs tho

or a librarian

[tender horizon]

You will get UM

And you will like it

[elder hare]

UuuUuuuUUuuugh

[stable path]

space marine 3 will let you play as demetrian titus

[elder hare]

And now he'll be a dreadnought

With psyker powers after his awakening

[lapis spear]

Wasn't that the grey Knights/inquisition?

[ancient violet]

Dermititis 😈

[dapper mantle]

Space Marines series is probably only the smurfs
The same way DoW are the magpies

[elder hare]

he was better as a blackshield

[stable path]

space wolves vs grey knights + inquisition

[elder hare]

i wish they kept him as one

And one of the few good times that SWs were actually on the side of people

[tender horizon]

Sm2 opener with deathwatch is the best and coolest thing in that game and yes I am saying that cause I played deathwatch for 3 odd editions

[dapper mantle]

yeah I think so
like the GK assaulted the Space Wolves vessel over a dispute or something
and one of the named Space Wolves went on a rampage, killed a bunch of GKs

[elder hare]

deathwatch is peak, they def should have kept TItus as a blackshield

[fluid blaze]

What we really need to see is a DMC/Bayonetta-like where you're a Harlequin Solitaire.

[lapis spear]

Yeah yeah ok. Grey Knights btfo by some furries

[elder hare]

Yeah and then later on after a war the Inquisition wanted to blow up a planet cause they were worried about corruption and SWs were like "lol no fuck that"

[tender horizon]

Id pay good money for a hitman game where you play an Ork Kommando tbh

[fluid blaze]

More like they wanted to sterilise the surviving Armageddon Steel Legion and work them to death in forced labour camps.

[stable path]

the story is like there was a war and a huge daemon incursion happened so the grey knights came in and fucked shit up along the inquisition, the space wolves and the imperial guard. After the win the GK and inquisition wanted to kill all imperial guard members for fear of corruption + they had seen the GK who are supposed to be secret. The space wolves opposed them and they fought for a month

gist of it

[elder hare]

I mean fought is a stretch, the inquisition tried to get smart and bombed all escaping vessels and SWs got in between the bombs and the escaping ships

they didnt even shoot back cause the inquisition would have taken that as an act of war

[stable path]

yea sum like that

its stupid anyways lol

[elder hare]

and then the SWs got fed up after a point, teleported directly onto the bridge Star Trek style and scared the piss outta the inquisition

[wooden creek]

Didn't just scare the piss out of them, they literally killed a Grand Master of the grey knights at the same time

and an Inquisitor

[dapper mantle]

yeah Grand Master of the chapter whose chapter master embarrassed Mortarion twice (three?) times?

it's just grimderp tbh

[stable path]

if u mean draigo he is not chapter master 🤓 he is chapter gary sue/superman

[wooden creek]

Chapter Masters are all grimderp levels of strong, Grand Master is a high rank in the GK but not the highest

[dapper mantle]

fair enough. but I guess the point is that characters in 40k take turn being cool.

maybe except Mortarion because he seems to take L everytime I heard of him

[elder hare]

I mean Azrael almost clapped Kharn and that's pretty fucking up there

and could have in a MAD duel, so def Chapter Masters get the plot armor mojo

[stable path]

wait draigo is actually still considered chapter master? i thought it was the other guy since draigo is always in the warp and basically a deus ex machina

[wooden creek]

I should also point out that Grimnar, the guy who killed the GK guy, is the current Chapter Master of the SW

[elder hare]

Also isn't he so juiced dude can sprint in terminator armor? or am i thinking someone else

[tender horizon]

imma be honest a lot of the primarchs suck

[wooden creek]

So he's got the plot armor deluxe

[tender horizon]

My favorites on either side are like

Corax and Angron tbh

[stable path]

Voldus i believe?

[elder hare]

Angron's a choice for sure, he needs more love he keeps getting clapped too

[tender horizon]

I love Angron cause of the heresy

[stable path]

corax is so cool

hes the coolest

[tender horizon]

In the HH series he spits raw facts a lot

But is totally incapable of being a better person

[elder hare]

i respect these kind of characters, like Erebus lmao. Evil for the sake of it

[tender horizon]

I like Erebus a lot tbh

The Word Bearers in general are pretty cool

[stable path]

well erebus is evil for the sake of it but angron seems more like hes evil because he can't help it

[tender horizon]

I agree with that too

Angron is evil because he's incapable of being better

Erebus is evil because

Well

He enjoys it

[dapper mantle]

im working my way through the fall of cadia rn
but are the HH books worth it cause I probably know like 90% of what happened

[elder hare]

Bro has no motivation, no twisted story, no transformed morality, just evil for the sake of evil and im here for it LMAO

[tender horizon]

Some of the HH books are very good

Some are Outcast Dead

They generally get better the later into the series you go ime

[stable path]

its still somehow more believable that "im a 200+ years old demigod and i will completely shit the bed because my god daddy isnt a good daddy"

[dapper mantle]

yeah but from the perspective of someone who is bascially spoiled of most of the plot 😭

[elder hare]

Peturabo will have his comeback, I'm sure of it

[tender horizon]

I mean

You're spoiled for the plot

If you're into 40k at all

You're reading it for the individual stories and experiences

You can read em outta order too

[dapper mantle]

hmm fair

[tender horizon]

"Oh my god the emperor dies in the heresy?"

Sorry guys, spoiled warhammer

[stable path]

the emperor died to hits from the 40 thousand warhammers

[dapper mantle]

why did they trust a guy named "Horus Heresy"
they should have seen it coming

[tender horizon]

Malcador actually makes a joke about that

At some point in the HH

About Horus being named "Horus" and everything that implies

[stable path]

lets put the demented lunatic who flays people for breakfast at the command of an army

[dapper mantle]

then again, Tokien had a character named "Grima Wormtongue" who turned out to be a bad guy so maybe we can forgive 40k for that

[stable path]

ohhh no hes turned traitor haha

[crimson sparrow]

Doesn't matter. Event says until the 13th. It's only the 7th. Some of us have lives outside of gaming so it takes us longer to get it done.

[tender horizon]

I think its important to remember the Emperor was very okay with these tactics

The NL also had iirc some of the lowest casualties to compliance outta any legion

[stable path]

yea its true

yea i remember that because they scared ppl so much

that they just gave up

[tender horizon]

Yeah

[stable path]

but like from a wider viewpoint a few primarchs like curze, mortarion, angron were so damn unhinged like there was no other outcome for them

[tender horizon]

Yk why Mort actually went traitor?

Its kinda

Amusingly petty

[stable path]

wasnt it because daddy stole his kill or something?

from the time he was found?

[tender horizon]

Essentially yes

[sullen robin]

him becoming traitor is one thing getting farted on was another entirely

[stable path]

even though he had lost and was gonna die i believe

[tender horizon]

DG books have a lot of that

You cant go 5 pages into Lords of Silence without reading about a nurgling's squelching fart of appreciation

[sullen robin]

essentially boils down to tyhpus ripping ass in the warp and telling mort yea we aint leaving till you start smelling buddy

[dapper mantle]

I thought Mort turned evil semi-unwittingly?
He's batshit yeah but Typhus did him dirty as well?
also why would they trust a guy name Typhus?
they should have seen it coming.

[stable path]

i think thats like at the very moment that he turns, but he was primed from the start bc of his origin story

[elder hare]

Also dont forget that Big E knew what was happening to his Empire and knew what would happen and did most of nothing for 38k years, with his far sight abilities. Planned for them, even

[tender horizon]

He decided he hated the emperor basically upon meeting him because the emperor killed Mort's surrogate father Mort wanted to kill.

Also Typhus was originally Typhon

Also

Guy named Khârn

[stable path]

yea big E was just fucking stupid theres no other way around it

or poorly written idk

[tender horizon]

40k is just like this

[tender horizon]

Tbf

It is impossible to write a character smarter than yourself

So he works best as a plot device and not a person

[stable path]

ehhh it can be done convincigly

[hardy wyvern]

Typhus!

named after a coofing disease!

[stable path]

thinking about johan liebert from monster

[digital tundra]

Emperor does work best as a force of nature entity that no one really knows all that well tbh

[hardy wyvern]

his brother named typhoid

[stable path]

guys supposed to be a genius calculating criminal mastermind and it works

[tender horizon]

Yeah but we're talking intellect for organization on a galactic empire level here

[stable path]

emperor kinda feels like a sigma male gymbro sometimes

[tender horizon]

Well

He was written by nerds in the 80s

[stable path]

lol

[elder hare]

and their last name? Disease

[hardy wyvern]

tragic that space marines aren't sweaty nerds

[tender horizon]

They are literally sweaty nerds tbh

[elder hare]

they are canonically stinky, so that tracks

[fair bridge]

how do i lock in

[stable path]

practice semen retention

[fair bridge]

[tender horizon]

Space marines canonically smell worse than a smash tournament and they love being big dorks about special interest areas

[hardy wyvern]

despite canonically there's air conditioning and probably ability to shower inside their suits

[sullen robin]

something i think is looked over a lot is while sanguinis obv got good version of foresight and curze got not great ppl harp on the emp for not having an exact clear picture all the time its like knowing a storm is coming and being expected to know when and where the lighting will strike

[hardy wyvern]

hell if you have AC in your power armor their has to be ability to circulate shampoo and water in it

[tender horizon]

Curze actively went out of his way to make the worst of his visions come true tbh

[fair bridge]

do you think space marines have monster hogs

[tender horizon]

Sanguinius saw his own doom and met it willingly

Its a mentality thing

[dapper mantle]

is he stupid?

[tender horizon]

They're described as premier physical specimens. They just have no interest in sex.

So, yes.

[sullen robin]

he did and this very well couldve been a direct reflection from the emp as he obviously made mistakes potentially guided by his own mis understood foresights like curze

[dapper mantle]

same with curze, is he stupid?

[fair bridge]

they're packing heaters my god

[wooden creek]

Hog rider!

[elder hare]

they do, it was confirmed in "Emperor's Gift" when a bathlady remarked about a GK in the communal shower

[stable path]

for me its not really about the foresight thing, as my interpretation of it in WH40K is that no one truly knows the future for sure, its more different players with foresight abilities (like emps, eldar, curze and sanguinius, obv the chaos gods too) who try to manipulate events in their favor.
Its more that the emperors words and actions were so damn inconsistent and it makes it seem like the HH was more of a stupid family drama than an actual falling out of demigods

[tender horizon]

There's a bit about some interrogator seeing a Grey knight shower and being disappointed theyre beyond such desires in iirc the Eisenhorn books

[blissful kiln]

Hitler's second in command is named Himmler
who writes this shit?

[stable path]

hideo kojima

[blissful kiln]

[tender horizon]

Reality is often stranger than fiction tbh

[fair bridge]

perseus answered this with the exact page number and sequence of words he knows ball

he studied these passages

[tender horizon]

I've never actually read those books fwiw

[fair bridge]

poured over hours of dick text

[tender horizon]

I can only do that for some of the Deathwatch stuff

[elder hare]

its come up enough often enough to remember which book LMAO

[stable path]

u could assume space marine c*m is acidic like their saliva though for chapters who didnt skip that part of the implants

[tender horizon]

Alright calm down

[stable path]

just saying...

yea...

[fair bridge]

what happens after 40k

[dapper mantle]

41k

then 42 (Blazeit) k

[fair bridge]

like does all of humanity really become psykers

[tender horizon]

Nothing, GW knows what end times does now lol

[dapper mantle]

then maybe skip a few to 50k

[sullen robin]

everyone went home

[elder hare]

Then Terminus Decree

[stable path]

they make a single huge warhammer out of the 40 thousand ones and they flatten the great rift with it

[elder hare]

time is a flat circle

[dapper mantle]

what does it do? I assume this is Fantasy?

was it not popular?

[fair bridge]

it was the end of warhammer fantasy lol

[tender horizon]

People hated it and then fantasy blew up in popularity 2 or 3 years later

[stable path]

total war moment

[tender horizon]

And now GW is making Fantasy 2 The Old World

[stable path]

total war 40k when ?!!

[tender horizon]

That's an understatement tbh

[fair bridge]

i'd read some fanfic called warhammer 300k about the far future of the galaxy

[tender horizon]

AoS was not popular(for good reason imo) for a little bit there

[fair bridge]

or 400k what am i stupid

sigmarines is the stupidest thing i have ever read

[stable path]

cryptomarines

[fair bridge]

i have a zoom call in 25 minutes this is total bullshit

[tender horizon]

I kinda like them cause they remind me of dark souls hollows tbh

[fair bridge]

what happens in warhammer 400k

[stable path]

stormcast eternals have incredible design tbh

[tender horizon]

Warriors who lose pieces of themselves everytime they fall in battle until theyre a shell of their former self is good shit

[stable path]

hell yea

love a good decaying noble warrior who turns into a husk...

[dapper mantle]

that sounds like Saint Celestine with extra steps

[stable path]

one of my favorite genres...

[elder hare]

like discount custodes, im here for it

[dapper mantle]

or maybe Saint Celestine is stormcasts wtih extra steps

hmmm

[stuck wasp]

tbf, the Custodes are more discount Stormcast

[stable path]

age of Sigma

[tender horizon]

"Man, both of these sound a lot like daemons"

[stable path]

i saw mortarions very first model recently and it looked so cool

[elder hare]

by virtue of what they are yes, but they stole sanguinary guard helms too the thieves!

[stable path]

he was basically just a grim reaper figure

daemon primarchs are kinda overdesigned though even if some look badass

[tender horizon]

Youd like the nightbringer tbh

[stable path]

hmm whats that

oh yea ive seen it before

[tender horizon]

Ctan shard

[stable path]

good design for sure

[stuck wasp]

There is also a Khornate Daemons in old lore that look like the grim reaper

[drowsy lynx]

slaps 40k IP this baby can fit so many grim reaper analogues

[stable path]

not a big necron guy unfortunately but their lore is cool

[dapper mantle]

my favorite is GK Castellan Crowe
the whole range looks ugly ngl, but then there is this dude who is cool af

[tender horizon]

My favorite model is 54mm Artemis

I still gotta paint that guy

[dapper mantle]

I have a full Aquilon Kill Team to paint o.o

[dapper mantle]

actually it would be cool if we can play as some tempestus variant, they are roughly arbites level anyway

[stable path]

damn i want that

im gonna buy my first kill team on my birthday

[dapper mantle]

then we give them Hotshot Las and watch veteran class melt down hahaha

yeah im too poor for 2k point games

[stable path]

hesitating betwee the aquilons, exaction squad, or kasrkin

[dapper mantle]

but I can afford KTs

[stable path]

exact same plus skirmish suits me better anyways

[stable path]

i don't say "lets hang out", i say "the pack must conspire today"

[tender horizon]

It is my opinion that KT is more fun that the current edition of 40k tbh

You want a real cool GW game?

Get into Necromunda

[dapper mantle]

I dont like the aethestics ngl

[stable path]

not a fan of the hive gangs designs

yea same

lol

[dapper mantle]

and there are like zero ppl who play it in shops 😭

[stable path]

u guys wanna help me out?

[tender horizon]

I love House Van Saar

[tender horizon]

Flip coins

Youll know what you want

[stable path]

need a 3 faced coin...

[tender horizon]

Nah

[stable path]

yea im jk lol

i really don't know though

[dapper mantle]

I played 3 games as Aquilons
I played 1 game versus Exaction as Aquilons
what do you want to know (from my limited experience)

[stable path]

i guess how did u feel about their respective abilities to fill out niches, like how versatile the teams are, how did ur game against the exaction squad go too ?

im a tabletop noob but ive been reading the rules etc

[rich oxide]

is it better to sacrifice green weapons or blue and purple? or is it just based on the power the item is at to get the most xp

[stable path]

u can stop at green rarity doesnt change anything

[tawny grail]

Green and same weapon type and you're good

[stable path]

maybe to give u a little more idea of the way id like to play : in turn based tactical games in general i like having answers to as many things as i can, for example in wh40k battlesector i always make sure to have a good balance of chaff clear and anti vehicle/armor piercing. I also have a soft spot for elite and heavy infantery, and controlled aggression playstyles with good mobility

[dapper mantle]

So Aquilons gimmick is that you get to deploy as the game go, and you get to seize high grounds better.
But if the enemies turtle it's hard for you to do anything. After turn 3 you are kinda gassed out (as expected) since you stop having your drop in gimmick. That said, the first 3 rounds you can operate with impunity. You do a lot of damage as well in those rounds. Then you pray to god that you have enough points before being blown off the table. I regret choosing them a little, since I like team that finishes strong rather than teams heavy on alpha striking. Their aesthetics is the best (imo), between the elite human troops, which is why I chose them.

My game against exaction went really poorly lol. Tbh I didn't know the map that well so half my team was useless. But my vibe against exaction is that they don't have a signature gimmick, just a bunch of weird little things they can do like shooting into melee combat, strong melee combat. They have the dog they can command as well. I heard competitively they are not that good but that might not matter to you.

[stable path]

thank u so much!

no i dont care about comp just want to buy a first team that I enjoy aesthetically and also can have fun playing with

i share ur sentiment about being able to finish strong though

[dapper mantle]

I think neither Karskin nor Exaction are that mobile.
Aquilon might be a good fit, if you don't mind "falling off" as the rounds go on. They do a lot of damage if you can manage though. I blew up a Plague Marine from full health with my grenadier lol.

[stable path]

they do sound fun

i was intrigued by exaction bc they seem to have a good balance of strong melee and ranged combat

[dapper mantle]

their melee is quite strong yeah, ranged is good since you can shoot into combat as I mentioned.
though the exaction player told me he had a hard time against elite teams (space marines mostly) since they simply melee that much better than you.

[stable path]

hmm yea i see

[dapper mantle]

I like the dog, a lot of movement tricks you can see

[molten jay]

did the hotfix break dogs or am I crazy

[dapper mantle]

I like it but I hate it cause it kicked mt ass lol

[molten jay]

I got non-stop insta 180 jumped the last few rounds

[stable path]

lol

[dapper mantle]

dogs seem normal to me but I haven't played today

[stable path]

yea idk i just really want an imperial agents type squad but unsure which one i would like the most

i feel like kasrkin are a safe bet but im worried theyre a little too defensive for my liking

thats why i was looking at aquilons and exaction

[sullen robin]

just bring assassins ez

[stable path]

its KT i dont think u can do that

[sullen robin]

ooo

forgot kt

[stable path]

but yea my dream would actually be a KT team with an assassin in it lol

[tacit geode]

I will say Exaction benefits a lot from 2 boxes

because you have to build the leashmaster

[stable path]

wym 2 boxes

whats the second box

[dapper mantle]

you don't get enough options in one box

[tacit geode]

You can make 1 team but not all the specialists

[dapper mantle]

some killteams need more than 1 (of the same box) if you want all the options

[stable path]

of the same??

[tacit geode]

Since the medic and leashmaster share 1 body

[stable path]

thats crazy

GW are crazy

[dapper mantle]

I think krieg is notorious for needing multiple boxes, and navy breachers (you can't even get a legal team with 1 box or so I heard)

[stable path]

forget exaction then im too broke

[tacit geode]

Aquilions are pretty good for that as you can make trooper 10 hold your second gunner weapon (plasma or melta)

[dapper mantle]

aquilons is a one box team 😎

[tacit geode]

You can breachers just want 2 gunners but only 1 in the box

[stable path]

nice, what about kasrkin, inquisitorial suite?

[dapper mantle]

oh inquisitorial suite you almost definitely need multiple boxes, though maybe not of the same?
someone can correct me

[tacit geode]

Yeah they can take exaction, kasrkin or breacher units

[dapper mantle]

since they recruit from karskin or krieg (?)

[stable path]

i also like starstriders visually, any imperial agents teams really

i mean i know that the keyword imperial agent is not a thing in KT but u know what i mean

[tacit geode]

Bascially the agents team needs other teams to function

[dapper mantle]

Starstriders is 1 box.

[tacit geode]

Starstriders have fun rules

like a giant space ship

[stable path]

ok so at least aquilons and starstriders are 1 box thats good

h yea i get how the system works for the other teams

[dapper mantle]

yeah though read up on aquilons before you assemble. There is a very mild kitbash you might want to do. but the default team is plenty good

[stable path]

sure

gonna be either one of these 2 then

[tacit geode]

Aquilions lets you molly whop peoples most important unit with a melta gun

always funny

[stable path]

yea honestly both teams look hella fun..and cool...

[dapper mantle]

Yeah, usually you can trade 1 to 1 with Space Marines unit with your Melta Gunner and your Melta Bomb (grenadier), which is a massive trade lol

[stable path]

starstriders have been removed from the store though, i wonder if they plan to upgrade the box or something

[tacit geode]

Probably not

also since they're called "Rogue Trader Entourage and Voidsmen-at-Arms"

[stable path]

ah yea its rt entourage true

[tacit geode]

Also you may recognise the outfits of these characters

based on darktide store

right now!

[stable path]

ofc lol

i also played the rogue trader game recently

[dapper mantle]

oh I should play it

[tawny gorge]

rogue trader is goated

[dapper mantle]

I think I tried playing it on too high difficulty the first time and didn't enjoy it as I had no idea what was gong on

[stable path]

the beginning is the hardest

after like 10 hours the builds start coming online and u wreck everything

too easily even

but its a great game still

RT entourage 51 euro Aquilions 55 euro...

i might check in real store just in case too

[dapper mantle]

I bought my Aquilons for $75 lol

[stable path]

damn

[dapper mantle]

my gf said it was a lot of mullah kek

[stable path]

thats like 64 euros

[dapper mantle]

(but it's okay I can afford it)

[stable path]

maybe its more expensive in the us

[stable path]

i cant but i want the cool figurines with guns and swords

[dapper mantle]

yeah. I try to budget for toys, which is why I know 2k pts games are out of my reach lol

kinda insane to me how expensive 40k games are, and yet how popular they prove to be...

[stable path]

ppl just buy shit

when its popular

no matter the price

[dapper mantle]

they do huh

[stable path]

there are people who leave negative reviews on every total war dlc yet they own 1000 euros of total war dlc

[hazy kestrel]

This, is true. And is exactly why I plan to buy a full suit of Bretonnian armor once Burgschneider releases it next year™️ .

Being financially responsible? I don’t have time for that just yet

[stable path]

i mean if i was loaded id just buy shit too

gotta get my money up...

[hazy kestrel]

Same pal, I’m saving up for that shiny Bretonnian crested helmet

[stable path]

i respect that ngl

[hazy kestrel]

Instead of making sound financial decisions

[tacit geode]

I've got lots of dwarves to paint

Including some Yaegers

[dapper mantle]

I'm trying to live below my means so I can retire one day. I have some personal projects I want to do before I die...
Why do some people have it better than I do 😭
All I want is a few mil in the bank

[hazy kestrel]

Haven’t painted my Bretonnians either pal. is on the to-do list whenever I remember

[stable path]

i just played a bretonnian campaign in TW recently too

that cavalry was fun to use

[hazy kestrel]

Hell yeah pal

[stable path]

all i want is 400000 euro

[hazy kestrel]

I told my wargaming friend that I’m either going to show up with my army in full plate, or I’m not gonna show up at all.

Let me ask you this: Are you really playing Bretonnians properly if you don’t show up in full plate with a terrible French accent?

[stable path]

im french so i would have a good accent...dont own plate armor though

[hazy kestrel]

You should get some pal. Is surprisingly not as expensive as I thought it would be from Burgschneider’s website.

[stable path]

not much of a plate armor wearing guy ! but i respect the hustle

[dapper mantle]

honest question, how big is wargaming in EU?
im in a pretty big city in the US and it's still hella hard to find a community lol

[hazy kestrel]

Honestly, I’ll probably just buy the crested helmet and cobble together the rest

[stable path]

i live in paris so i might be biased but it seems like its a very active, if relatively small community

in paris u have a bunch of shops that pretty much have ppl playing all the time

at least 5-6 shops that i know of probably more

[tawny hearth]

some small towns will have more active scenes lol, my smaller city has like 4 active shops running tournies

[tawny gorge]

?????

why would you do that

[stable path]

secondhand is very active here too so i would say its quite a lot of people

[tawny gorge]

the game even tells you it will nail your balls to the wall if you do that

[stable path]

plus theres been a surge of popularity for a few years now with space marine 2 and everythin

[dapper mantle]

cause I'm an idiot? lol
I think I was arrogant mostly. I usually play "hard games on hardest mode." But I will temper it.

Ill pick it up at sometime on normal

[stable path]

one advice use burst fire

not single shots

[tawny gorge]

arrogance is a poison

[stable path]

it will carry u through the early

[dapper mantle]

damn, I found 2 places in a big city with bi-weekly get together

[dapper mantle]

remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

[stable path]

i should give DD2 another try btw

now that they released this new mode

[dapper mantle]

Kingdom?

[stable path]

was quite disappointed with it

yea i believe

i know it might have been a while

but i havent played it for like a year or two

[dapper mantle]

yeah I am not sure how it works exactly
I know it's supposed to be more like DD1, but like... not really?

lol

[stable path]

yea basically

idk either really

[tawny hearth]

lol we've had a big minis scene for some decades now, even when i was a kid in the 90s there were 30 year olds that had been playing since the games came out teaching us how to play... and that kind of kept going on and we've kept it alive

[stable path]

but how they fully roguelite-ified the main game didnt do it for me

not what im looking for in DD

i loved having access to my pool of mercs in DD and adapting teams for each mission etc it was a big part of the experience imo

[tawny hearth]

i thought you were talking about dragons dogma and was confused lol

[dapper mantle]

yeah the teambuilding experience in DD2 is subpar
I do enjoy the combat more though

oh not it's Darkest Dungeon haha

[stable path]

oh yeah lool

the combat is more balanced and in depth its true

[tawny hearth]

i liked the darkest dungeon 2 but i never really took to the first one even tho i tried so i get why people who liked the first one would be put off by 2

[tawny gorge]

is darkest 2 easier?

[stable path]

i think it was just a weird direction to take for a sequel?

[stable path]

its more that it tackles difficulty differently

[tawny hearth]

yeah thats the best way to put it tbh

[stable path]

as it became a full on roguelite, the meta progression is extremely important

[dapper mantle]

I think they are about the same tactics wise.
But I think a lot of people like the base management/strategy part of DD1, which is almost completely absent in DD2

[stable path]

instead of the campaign aspect of dd1 where ur village and mercs progress with time, u really gotta go through multiple runs to unlock stuff in this one which feels a bit frustrating

[tawny gorge]

okay so its easier

[tender horizon]

I should sit down and play DD1

[tawny gorge]

dd1 was hard mainly because of the management

[stable path]

just try it out and u will see what i mean by it tackles difficulty differently

rng is much more present for example

[dapper mantle]

Also DD1 has more charm somehow with the starter bros (Klepto Crusader and HWM)
DD2 has little personalities, despite the game actually having "named" characters
it's weird

[tawny gorge]

fuck

i'm good

[stable path]

yea i fell much less attached to dd2 characters

[tawny gorge]

bro you 2 are making a horrible job at selling the game

[dapper mantle]

haha we are not trying to sell DD2 though kek

[tawny gorge]

i had no intention of playing it yet now i dont wanna play it at all

[stable path]

runs literally function off the slay the spire and other games branch system, see what im talking about ? like its a roguelite in every sense of the word where dd1 was more of a management/strategy game

[dapper mantle]

I would sell DD1 though

[stable path]

well i was saying i was disappointed with it lol

[tawny gorge]

damn

[elder merlin]

Which game?

[stable path]

DD1 is indeed incredible

[tawny gorge]

for dd2 i just wanted dd1 but BIGGER

[dapper mantle]

it's great. it's cheal on sale. get it if you like grimdark management/tactics game with rouglite elements

[stable path]

mods for DD1 are of insane quality too

[tawny gorge]

its also 100s of hours of fun

[dapper mantle]

I respect the effort to keep DD2 so different than DD1 though

[stable path]

yea like same

its a weird thing really

i want to like it

and at its core theres a lot of good stuff

have to try this new mode

[elder merlin]

What the hell are ya'll talkin about

[stable path]

darkest dungoen

[dapper mantle]

DD2 to me is like Marvel Midnight Suns
It's so good combat wise, everything else around it falls short

[tawny gorge]

i tend to like sequels that are just the former but better

[elder merlin]

[stable path]

lol i feel the exact same about midnight suns too

[elder merlin]

Oh

[stable path]

u know ball !

[elder merlin]

You kids and your acronyms

[tawny gorge]

the top 5 on my backloggd is mostly that

[dapper mantle]

I just want to play a tactics card game bro
I really don't care about the dating sims outside of it
Who asked for this 😭

[stable path]

man i still have ptsd from the life sim part but the combat was so good...

also the fucking cringe self insert mc

completely unneeded

[dapper mantle]

oh yeah, it's frankly gross lol

[stable path]

game literally works without the mc

i only took him/her on mission where it was required lol

[stable path]

Right now im playing the demo for this xcom like called Menace by the guys who made battle brothers, seems super promising, no cards but u seem to like turn based tactics games

[tawny hearth]

i love midnightsuns friendship date simulator between missions

[dapper mantle]

gasps

[stable path]

only worry is the maps are kinda too big in the demo

[tawny hearth]

i new game plus just to see them again lol

[stable path]

damn

fr

[dapper mantle]

we found the person who asked for it

[stable path]

it was so boring and poorly written imo lol

[fierce cave]

So gay

So real

[elder merlin]

[stable path]

and the third person exploration and puzzles and crate opening

[tawny hearth]

i was also the dude super hyped for the scott and jean wedding issue at the comic shop

so midnight suns was kind of made for me

[tired steeple]

Anyone playing that new darktide game?

[elder merlin]

Oh, they got married?

Nice

[fierce cave]

There's a game?!

[dapper mantle]

no, this is turn based tactics/roguelite charbro

[tawny gorge]

darktide 2?

not yet

[tired steeple]

Midnight suns? The marvel game?

[tawny hearth]

best part of the issue is the logan and jubilee "you're not my real dad but you're my real dad bro" talk

[dapper mantle]

yeah that one

[tired steeple]

Was it any good?

[elder merlin]

Always loved their dynamic

[tawny gorge]

i thought it sucks azz

[stable path]

me when i cant read previous posts

[tired steeple]

Lmao

[dapper mantle]

uh we talked about it for abit above
basically great combat
there are certain mechanics (life sim/dating sim) around it that can be hit or miss

[tired steeple]

Thanks everyone else

Y’all ever try Masks?

[tawny hearth]

if you're a real comics fan its kind of amazing. if you think marvel comics have alot of action and expect the same from the game then you'll get frustrated with the first 5 hours

[tired steeple]

Similar thing going on

[dapper mantle]

what is jubilee gimmick?

[tawny gorge]

you're describing most of chat, they would be really offended if they could read previous posts

[tawny hearth]

marvel comics are like 98% convos and friendship nonsense

[dapper mantle]

I only heard of her from... Marvel Snap kek

[tired steeple]

I’m ngl I really can’t be bothered

I’m too lazy

[tawny gorge]

no

[stable path]

just a lil joke i know we dont all want to read all previous chat when we log in

[tawny gorge]

like you didnt read enough if you think that

[tawny hearth]

in the entire deadpool and cable run theres barely a fight a comic... sometimes we went months with only talking

[stable path]

i know i dont

[tired steeple]

I take it y’all like xcom

[tawny gorge]

thats 1 run

[tired steeple]

I might play that again

[stable path]

yeah

[tired steeple]

That one’s fun

[tawny gorge]

what about marvel zombies?

[stable path]

try out menace

theres a demo on steam

[tired steeple]

Marvel zombies was a very funny comic

Ooo thanks

[stable path]

tactical turn based with squad management

[tired steeple]

*comic series

[elder merlin]

Everyone died, except wakanda

[stable path]

suppression, cover system and all that

its very cool

[dapper mantle]

what's the setting of that game?

[tired steeple]

I read a few of them. Spider-man x sandman inflation was peak

[stable path]

also its pretty difficult which bodes well

[tawny hearth]

all xmen runs are also like that. most new dead pool runs are like that. hell going over to other publishers invincible is like that... most marvel comics tho don't have that much fighting... its alot of talking and then like 3 frames of a fight (if that) then back to the story

[tawny gorge]

and latveria but were not gonna talk about that*

[tawny hearth]

hulk comics are like 80% monologues

[tawny gorge]

tl;dr power of friendship my ass Spidermad is still mad

he gets the sadistic evil writers

[elder merlin]

I forget what happened in Latveria, i only read the three quick books

[tired steeple]

Different genre entirely but I gotta see if dare devil is any good in rivals

[elder merlin]

I heard the x-men are super dicks in the comics, especially storm

[tawny gorge]

daredevil is also a good example of power of friendship not being a mainstay

[stable path]

menace? its like military anticipation i guess? like close sci fi, u play as space marines (lol) but like literally space marines, not Space Marines™

[tired steeple]

Oh like actual marines that get deployed to space

[tawny gorge]

one more day is agonising

[dapper mantle]

hmm interesting

[tired steeple]

Is one more day the one with paul

[stable path]

yes exactly

[tawny hearth]

spiderman has to go through relatable hardships... part of the reason of spiderman is to give someone for kids to learn things from. He teaches kids how to navigate terrible things that few other sources will teach them how to deal with. Peter suffers in hopes that his readers will suffer less.

[elder merlin]

"Relatable" LOL

[tawny hearth]

like i have alot of small problems with stan lee but i'll defend his baby lol

[tired steeple]

They like refuse to let spiderman have kids. Has anyone ever noticed this?

[stable path]

so there are the usual automatic rifles and snipers but there also seems to be some more high tech stuff, like in the demo u can outfit your vehicle with a laser gun

[tawny gorge]

getting sent to another dimension to spend a couple years in away from my family is really relatable

[stable path]

also its definitely low/no fantasy sci fi

[tawny hearth]

death in the family and deaths caused by an accident you didn't mean to cause are related to some humans in this world... but really its about loss of a relationship due to death

[elder merlin]

Bruh, Spiderman's writers literally beat the shit out of him at every oppurtunity, only ever seen him be happy a couple times

[stable path]

like grounded

[tawny gorge]

death in the family you say?

[tawny hearth]

media literacy is dead if you don't see the connection from that to moving away from home for the first time and being torn away from everything you know

[tawny gorge]

[dapper mantle]

is that that one DC comic?

[tawny gorge]

dude

he was sent to another dimension

[elder merlin]

Lol wut

[dapper mantle]

is that the Dick Greyson one?

[tawny gorge]

alone

in isolation

what are you talking about

[tired steeple]

There’s death in the family and death of the family. I have no idea why DC named them like that

[jaunty path]

I was sent to hell once

[stable path]

i paused reading spiderman comics around the 2022 run, got burned out

[elder merlin]

Well Wingnut is really livin up to the "nut" part of his name

[tired steeple]

Dceased is also very funny btw

[stable path]

might pick it up again soon

[tired steeple]

God the zombie comics are so ass it’s great

[tawny gorge]

you missed out on literal dogshit

[tired steeple]

Is gwenpool any good

[stable path]

i know its the part everyone is mad about

[tawny hearth]

with media sometimes its goes to extremes to express and navigate human emotions. in this case its kind of high school level lines of "being removed from everything in your life" which does happen on different levels... lol even puppies expenrience it its such a basic emotion

[elder merlin]

The fact that Darkseid got infected and immediately cratered his planet with his Omega beams made me laugh

[tired steeple]

I kinda hate deadpool a lot

[stable path]

like u know its at the arc where peter has just kinda disappeared for like an unknown amount of time and his lifes gone to shit again

[elder merlin]

Just so fuckin op that it only took him less than a minute to kill his world

[tawny gorge]

except you didnt need to send spiderman there and gwen didnt need to cheat on him

[stable path]

i kinda gave up at that point lol

[tawny gorge]

?

[tawny hearth]

i adore fabians deadpool... most other writers miss his point

[tired steeple]

God man the shenanigans never end with that series

[dapper mantle]

I'm too normie to unerstand any of this.
My exposure is only the MCU kek

[tired steeple]

Mine is some games

And tv shows as a kid

That one spiderman show was awesome

Had an episode where he became a spider monster. That made me shit my pants

[tawny gorge]

tl;dr read ABSOLUTE BATMAN

[stable path]

i just read spiderman bc spiderman is cool as hell but other than that my only knowledge of marvel is through games

[elder merlin]

Which one?

[tawny gorge]

its good

[elder merlin]

Oh the 1994 one?

That series was so goddamn good

[tawny hearth]

i said i would defend stan lees baby not that the osborn debacle lol. That choice was made by an editor that ruined alot of comics

[tired steeple]

I thibk it was that one yeah

[elder merlin]

Amazing and spectacular werent bad

[tawny gorge]

you mean jack kirby

[fierce cave]

I'm so lonely

[tired steeple]

I unfortunately kinda strongly dislike this one

[fierce cave]

Ain't got nobody

[tired steeple]

Is the idea that it’s supposed to be absurd and weird

[stable path]

they retconned gwen having babies with norman lol it was so gross

[tired steeple]

Idk joker using fetuses to become immortal feels really silly and over the top but not in a fun way. I just can’t get invested

[elder merlin]

I really liked the one where he had luke cage, iron fist, ava ayala and nova as friends/teammates

[tawny gorge]

okay this is rage bait i meant steve ditko

[elder merlin]

Wut

[tired steeple]

Batman straight up just actually kills people in absolute batman and I can’t really get into that

[stable path]

yea they made grimdark DC

[tired steeple]

It says he doesn’t

[dapper mantle]

I thought DC is grimdark

[tired steeple]

It says they’re fine

[elder merlin]

Oh, its Absolute? Yeah, that one seems kinda wild

[tired steeple]

But he just actually murders them

[tawny gorge]

my guy

no he doest kill them

[elder merlin]

Just lookin at how some of the villains look

[tawny gorge]

by that logic even normal batman kills

[stable path]

they started like, the Edgelord DC Universe as an alternate timeline recently

[tawny hearth]

DC comics are more action comics than marvel. Marvel has alot more men crying per issue than DC

[elder merlin]

He only makes them wish they were dead

[tawny gorge]

its darkseids universe

[stable path]

yea i know the details

[tawny gorge]

it has ABSOLUTE in the name for a reason

[elder merlin]

To be fair, there are some instances where some of the people would be dead

[tawny gorge]

its taken to the extreme

[tired steeple]

But yeah Joker’s a giant monster that uses fetuses to get immortality

[stable path]

i know its the point brother lol

[tawny gorge]

they're not because its a comic book

[tawny hearth]

anyone with any medical knowledge knows that if batman was actually a caring person he would kill people because what he does is so so so much worse

[tired steeple]

Ehh

[elder merlin]

Its called Absolute Batman because its Absolute ass

[tired steeple]

HAHAHAHA

[tawny gorge]

this mfer the joker look at the way he laughs

[stable path]

its like marvel's mid 00's ultimate line but in 2025 basically

[tawny gorge]

prolly ate all the dead babies too

[stable path]

some of the art looks great though im ngl

the art in absolute batman superman and wonderwoman goes kinda crazy

[tawny gorge]

strange understatement but okay

[tawny hearth]

i don't like batman but sometimes a creator or creators do something great with him... like gotham knights was great... and obviously everyone likes the killing joke

[stable path]

wym

[tired steeple]

I've never read a batman comic but I'm batman's biggest glazer

[dapper mantle]

damn we are a bunch of nerds

[tired steeple]

average dc fan tbh

[tawny gorge]

it's peak

[tawny gorge]

nah

[tired steeple]

well I did play the arkham games

pretty big fan of those

[tawny hearth]

when i worked at a comic shop this was the average batman fan

[tawny gorge]

arkham city do be the greatest superhero game oat

[blissful kiln]

but you can't sell comics if your villains keep dying

[tawny gorge]

if you work at a comic book shop wouldnt this prove the contrary?

[stable path]

ive only read a bit of it so i cant say for sure but either way im not keeping u from liking it buddy lol. But yea the designs are great

[tawny gorge]

the goons

[tawny hearth]

i liked the whole arkham series, even the final one was pretty great tbh

[tawny gorge]

also you could

batman has such a big rogues gallery he could get away with killing everyone before the next artist takes on the job of showing the world his batman

[tawny hearth]

lol most batman fans came in and bought everything but comics. DC comics were not popular at all when i worked at the shop for like 7 years. The characters would still sell but there wasn't alot of readers

[ocean widget]

if batman actually wanted to kill his villains it wouldnt take too long to be fair

[stable path]

discord moment

[tired steeple]

how come only batman gets the whole "he should kill his villains" thing

[tawny hearth]

like we had one guy we called "the DC guy" because he was the one weirdo only reading DC comics

[marsh notch]

damn

fren cant play

aaa

[tired steeple]

no one says superman should kill lex luthor

[tawny gorge]

when did you work that dc comics weren't popular lol

[marsh notch]

what do? if he from russha and cant connec?

[ocean widget]

because lex luthors a billionaire and not mentally ill /j

[stable path]

yea literally all super heroes should kill their villains if we dismiss suspension of disbelief

[tawny gorge]

massive glazing

[dapper mantle]

I imagine it's because Sup also doesn't go around saying "I don't kill"

[tired steeple]

I suppose

[ocean widget]

i mean most of them have known locations and batman has a budget of an american arms company

[tawny gorge]

his rogues gallery is nothing to scoff at it would take serious effort to kill a lot of them

[tawny hearth]

like 15 years ago to like... under 10 years ago... the comics themselves weren't selling... but we pivoted to mostly table top games part way through those years

[tired steeple]

I dunno if I'm like stupid but I feel like a lot of batman stories would be really boring if he killed his villains

[jaunty path]

Super Heros should murder people

[orchid skiff]

i could kill them all

[stable path]

like peter parker sparing norman osborn 1500 times only for norman osborn to come after his loved ones again every single time

sure buddy

[tawny gorge]

no they dont? why do you think batman has to beat the dogshit out of their goons to find out

[dapper mantle]

this is how we get the boys I guess

[tawny gorge]

plus as soon as one dies

the whole dynamic changes

[ocean widget]

because it needs a build up

[tawny gorge]

they would try to kill him back

[tawny gorge]

good job

you figured it out on your own

[stable path]

its how u get Invincible™

[ocean widget]

the iceberg lounge is pretty obvious to where the penguin is

just bomb it

problem solved

no more penguin

[blissful kiln]

vee pee anne

[marsh notch]

eyahs

[tawny gorge]

yeah i dont think batman would turn into the unabomber just because he starts killing

[tawny hearth]

that is part of why heroes don't kill villians often lol... spiderman is really the realistic version of batman... spiderman avoids extreme violence by reasoning and relating to his bad guys... like if sandman was in gotham city then the city would be destroyed. Sandman isn't a bad guy and peter knows it so its who he keeps sandman in check

[ocean widget]

it is the most effective way

[stable path]

peter is the goat...

[tawny hearth]

most peter and sandman "fights" are peter trying to tell sandman to go home and him going "f off peter"

[tawny gorge]

"spiderman is really the realistic version of batman"

[blissful kiln]

petah

[tired steeple]

nah batman would just deploy his tactical bat water and turn sandman into water

[tawny gorge]

i'll have to stop you right there chief

batman does that too btw

[ocean widget]

nah sandman gets turned into wet sand bruh

[dapper mantle]

our four rejects would make short work of most batman villains
I say we make comics out of them instead

[ocean widget]

like seriously sandmans entire weakness is water

[tawny hearth]

batman has more fantastic moments than spider man if we're being real lol

[tawny gorge]

youre thinking of the flash

[tired steeple]

wet sand whatever

yeah I remember the bit in spiderman 3

[tawny hearth]

you don't know how strong sandman is lol

[ocean widget]

some child with a water gun could take a lucky shot and end sandman permanently since his entire conciousness is in a single grain of sand

[stable path]

batman would pull out the anti-sand spray can

[tired steeple]

he like bursts a pipe behind him

[ocean widget]

@tired steeple

this

[tawny gorge]

comic book scaling dictates they would have to fight superman villains right after

good luck

[ocean widget]

a child could kill sandman

[tired steeple]

yeah I wasn't joking

well

kinda

[tawny hearth]

lol sandman kills peter in one of the zombies comics, its kind of brutal... and a misunderstanding

[tired steeple]

like sandman is pretty broken but his weakness is really easy

[ocean widget]

eugh zombies

[tired steeple]

glass canon, kinda

[ocean widget]

marvel zombies is fucking stupid

[tawny gorge]

except you can't kill sandman

[ocean widget]

how the fuck do juggernaut and iron man become zombies

[blissful kiln]

is that the one where sandman mpregs petah?

[jaunty path]

isn't sandmans weakness fire

[tired steeple]

yeah he goes like "nggh gwen" and it would be really sad if it wasn't so funny

[stable path]

you cant kill sandman bc its a comic and u cant kill anyone permanently except for uncle ben

[dapper mantle]

what even are the more notable Superman villain?
I can think of Dark Seid but that's more of a Justice League thing?
our rejects can take on Luthor probably

[ocean widget]

"Although the Sandman had access to the sand of an entire desert, he was defeated when Spider-Man was able to utilize the technology in his armor to extract the one grain of sand from Sandman that contained his consciousness."

[tired steeple]

zombies is impossible to take seriously

it's so bad

[ocean widget]

the sandman is a single grain of sand mate