general-chat

[green shoal]

Who was Chiang Kaishek? I feel like I've heard the name before but not sure if it's fictional (like in Mortal Kombat or something), or an actual historical person

[tacit geode]

Insects? #zealot-class
Game bugs? #🎒support-issues message

[green shoal]

I think there's a subreddit for posting pictures of bugs (insects)

[vocal hawk]

president of the republic of china and was president of taiwan until his death in 1975

[green shoal]

Ah ok yeah, that's why it sounded familiar. I was kind of getting him mixed up with Shang Tsung...

[vocal hawk]

he’s going to be added to fortnite soon

[green shoal]

Just to be safe, I should maybe ask which one

[vocal hawk]

wdym

[astral quartz]

Hey do any of yall know how to fix the veteran talent tree bug on console?

[green shoal]

It was just a joke, about whether they were going to add Shang Tsung or the President of China/Taiwan to the game.
(I was also partly relying on the idea that maybe Epic has a relationship with China and so there was a funny possibility that Epic might actually add historical Chinese figures to the game)

[vocal hawk]

can’t wait for the chinese civil war battle pass next season

[ocean widget]

tencents says they do

[vocal hawk]

is this a reference to the company tencent

[ocean widget]

its a joke chiangkaishek

[vocal hawk]

well im just saying if it was a reference to the tencent company it would be pretty ingenious and cool

[elder merlin]

Shang Tsung from Mortal Kombat?

[green shoal]

I read the "3-Body Problem" books last year (after Netflix made a show based on the books). The books are famous scifi books, with some really cool scifi ideas. But the story take place during the "Chinese Cultural Revolution" where (according to the books), the government was killing everybody who could think - artists, scientists, etc. It's kind of similar to the world of 40k in a way

[ocean widget]

https://tenor.com/view/baldur's-gate-3-baldur's-gate-baldurs-gate-baldurs-gate-3-bg3-gif-10250632333426557085

[vocal hawk]

epic ceo said he was going to add sun tsu to fortnite

[lethal solstice]

It doesn't?

Only the flashbacks and prologue does

and thats for the first book

[elder merlin]

Weird

[green shoal]

The beginning does yeah

I didn't want to spoil how far it goes

But suffice to say, it goes much much much farther than that yeah

[vocal hawk]

i also read books

like I read 1984 it was pretty good except for the part where like 25% of the book is another book

[green shoal]

? I only really remember the movie of 1984. What do you mean 25% of the book is another book?

[vocal hawk]

there’s a part in the book where Winston joins the epic cool resistance and he gets his hand on the cool resistance book and it goes on for like 50 pages

[languid hazel]

This is my daily plea for sisters of battle to be added to the game: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FATSHARK GIVE US SISTERS OF BATTLE! I WILL SELL MY SOUL TO THE COMPANY IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS PLEEEEEEASE 😭

[green shoal]

Like, in the novel of 1984, there's a big section where you're reading (what Winston is reading) in a different book?

[vocal hawk]

he gets a book that all resistance guys get made by goldstein (head resistance dude) and it basically says a bunch of random stuff you already know

so it’s like a half hour detour from the story and then the story finally starts back up it’s kind of confusing for me but that’s probably because I am a foolish man

[tawny gorge]

in universe manifesto

[vocal hawk]

yeah

[tawny gorge]

its like if they dedicated several books of the horus heresy to the codex

[green shoal]

So there's a giant section of the book where you're reading the Revolutionaries' manifesto?

[vocal hawk]

I don’t like books that are super deep like that because I am not smart and don’t get any of the undertones so I read simpler stuff

[stuck wasp]

Isn't it like 1 or 2 chapters where it is that ?

[tawny gorge]

in a way 1984 itself is a manifesto

[tawny gorge]

it lays it out to you in detail

[vocal hawk]

I like the erasing and constantly changing history all the time aspect of the book that is very cool

[tawny gorge]

i like how all these omega anti super dictatorship pieces of fiction come from england

just for the uk government to try to perfectly reenact some of the surveilance

[vocal hawk]

they’re all non-fiction biographies about living in birmingham

[green shoal]

It's not about you being 'smart'... sometimes art is open to interpretation. The artist (writer) presents the work, and whatever you think is what you think. Sometimes there's not necessarily a 'correct' answer. If you think it's meaningless, then it's meaningless, and that's just as correct as any other interpretation. (Sometimes.)

[blissful kiln]

maybe

[tawny gorge]

idk if theres that much room for interpretation in most novels

its less that more so immagination to be able to see what you're reading

[green shoal]

There is maybe an interesting connection there

[tawny gorge]

the connection is literally that

alan moore starts v for vendetta with a rant

[vocal hawk]

I think evil dictatorships are bad

unless I am the evil dictator

[tawny fable]

anyone know whats the dump stat for plasmagun

[tawny gorge]

i need to kill scabs

[inland mantle]

@mortal sleet

[vocal hawk]

but are you the lex

[tawny gorge]

game keeps giving me the fucking dereks

i dont play diabetes

[vocal hawk]

can’t believe they made a game about modern day flint michigan

[green shoal]

It's interesting because a book like 1984 can only really get created in a society that is not at all like 1984 (because the society enables open ideas). There's something interesting about that.
40k is similar too - it's about extreme religious culture

[green shoal]

is "dereks" British slang?

[tawny gorge]

40k isnt about extreme religious culture its out of 30000000 themes it has

saying that is reductive

[vocal hawk]

yeah but the imperium is a necessary evil in a sense considering they are fighting literally everything else

[green shoal]

Yeah 40k is kind of a giant pot of "throw everything in there that's badass"

[tawny gorge]

its what i call dregs

[tawny gorge]

idk about badass

[vocal hawk]

big muscular sweaty men in armor fighting demons beyond comprehension is very awesome and based and cool

[green shoal]

I agree with you, not sure why the others don't ha. Sweaty men fighting demons beyond comprehension is like... the most badass thing I can think of

[stuck wasp]

The Imperium is only as necessary as it has managed to make itself.

[vocal hawk]

ok poxwalker

[tawny gorge]

can you name these demons beyond comprehension?

[inland mantle]

Ez you got bob

and bob 2

[green shoal]

Do you think a more peaceful society could survive in the universe of 40k?

[tawny gorge]

they're all really comprehensible lol

and chaos has a logic to it

[stuck wasp]

The Tau 🤷
The Leagues of Votaan, the Interex, and quite a few others.
That the Imperium just goes against and force the most brutalistic method to keep itself in place

[vocal hawk]

hyperbole

[tawny gorge]

yeah but not really is it

[vocal hawk]

yes really

[green shoal]

I have this feeling (based on nothing) that eventually, the Tau are going to get sucked in to the darkness too, in some way. I don't follow the lore super-closely, but I think the process has already begun in some ways... GW is just trying to figure out a unique way to make them 'uniquely' dark. (Maybe they've already figured it out... Maybe their 'darkness' will be that they actually were the one bright light of hope in the universe, and even they succumbed. Which would be quite dark indeed.)

[tawny gorge]

it wouldnt make any sense

[stuck wasp]

Oh the Tau aren't clean, but comparatively they're much better (it isn't hard, like the Imperium is very much not part of the good guys)

And it isn't that they're the bright light of hope that failed, every faction is like that

[vocal hawk]

yeah but the tau still do eugenics

[stuck wasp]

Humanity could have done thing the proper way

That book was retconned iirc

So not really

And humanity does it too

At a much bigger rate

[vocal hawk]

but it’s cool because we aren’t alien freaks

[stuck wasp]

On both Xenos and on human (and abhuman)

[green shoal]

What wouldn't make sense? It wouldn't make sense that the Tau will eventually become just as evil as everybody else? They already kind of have a weird dominant ideology that they force everybody to stick to. As soon as you start doing that, you start entering the idea of tyrannical dictatorships

[stuck wasp]

I owe no loyalty to a race that is meant to emulate mine.
The only liege that is worth following is Sigmar. The Emperor is closer to Nagash.

[vocal hawk]

it’s almost like the tau are just the imperium but they’re aliens instead

[astral jungle]

There is. The Greater Good. Do not question. The Greater Good.

[vocal hawk]

least obvious plague ogryn

[tawny gorge]

it would be even lamer than what gw has already done

[green shoal]

I think I heard something recently that the Tau might end up creating a Chaos Demon based on The Greater Good. It will be a demon that, I guess tries to force everybody to do good, or something...

[tawny gorge]

also they already have a warp presence

[astral jungle]

It’s fan fic.

[vocal hawk]

is there a fan fiction where guilliman give me a kiss

[astral jungle]

Yes.

[vocal hawk]

🤤

[green shoal]

Yeah... I heard it on a YouTube video (that I don't remember), so it might not happen. But it could-

[astral jungle]

Then he tells you he’ll come back later. He needs to run some numbers.

[stuck wasp]

Shadowsun's book mention the Greater Good god, but may come from the allied races rather than the Tau

[vocal hawk]

no guilliman don’t leave to go defend the imperium you’re too cute for that aha

[astral jungle]

I think it was a allied race. Which the Ethereals find acceptable, given their doctrine.

Anyhow. Time to go try and sleep. And cough. This new cold doing the round that still has me coughing for five days.

[green shoal]

I have a theory that there are 2 types of people who consume fiction:

1. People who care about the fictional worlds
2. People who really want to have sex with people in those worlds (these are the people who write fan fiction)
   This theory applies to every fictional franchise and everything artistic.
   There is also a 3rd category of "people who don't care about the fictional world", which is most people

[neon agate]

HUH

[tender horizon]

Ed Greenwood would like to have a word with you

[neon agate]

POINT 2 IS WHAT!?!?!

[civic otter]

And they are both always to the extreme the more niche the fantasy gets

[hazy kestrel]

Chat I’ve done it. 1,500 plasma gunners whacked

I can finally rest.

[inland mantle]

Now for your next challenge touching grass 😔

[hazy kestrel]

[inland mantle]

Best of luck I've lost many great men to that challenge

[green shoal]

My messages are already too long for a casual Discord post when I post here, and if I try to explain the theory, that post will definitely be too long ha. But this is an actual theory I have... There are people who write "slash fiction" (i.e., stories where Captain Kirk and Spock have gay relationships, or where Harry Potter and some other Harry Potter character do). I think those types of people consume fiction in a different way (a much more sexual way) than people who just consume stories do.

[hazy kestrel]

More penance rewards when Malnourished Tuna?

[hazy kestrel]

[neon agate]

I see. I don't think you are wrong btw. TBH I was just joking, but this is def true if you include gooner players who just play for the hot characters

[green shoal]

You're probably in the first 100 worldwide... maybe first 50?

[hazy kestrel]

I doubt it lol

[inland mantle]

When they remember the reward track for penance score is a thing. Atleast they added the coin weapons skins after all this time for the relic blade and the alike only took how long...

[hazy kestrel]

I have 1,105 points to spend. Give me new stuff Fat Shark pls I beg.

Edited because I can’t math

[whole glade]

my bf got me a foxy cosstume.

im going to murder him.

[orchid skiff]

Pic

[whole glade]

oh hes not home yet

hes still out

he vaguely mentioned it

[orchid skiff]

Casual mention

[whole glade]

he got himself a bonnie one

[orchid skiff]

What's a Bonnie

[whole glade]

im still going to stab him

[whole glade]

fnaf character

[green shoal]

For British people in the chat: Do you know what the Beano is? Are there other kids' comics in England like the Beano, or is the Beano the only one? (I remember there also used to be The Dandy... but I think literally every kids' comic died, except for Beano. Unless I'm wrong.)

Just curious

[blissful kiln]

the children yearn for the beans

[whole glade]

what kinda beannz

[vocal hawk]

I am the lex

[green shoal]

beans 'n mash (I think maybe that's a British thing, not sure)

[whole glade]

ew

briish

[vocal hawk]

warhammer 40k is just the average day of a british citizen

[whole glade]

more like american citizen now

also british people too ig

[green shoal]

I believe it's spelled Bri'ish

[whole glade]

IM LAZY

[vocal hawk]

the lex is the lex

[whole glade]

ZEALOT BETTER

[vocal hawk]

arbitrator is literally the best class in the game and has the best drip too

[whole glade]

HELL NAH

[vocal hawk]

this is objectively true

[whole glade]

zealot has cooler voices and better drip

[green shoal]

Actually yeah, I think Arby voicelines are the only thing about Arby that aren't God-level or above

[vocal hawk]

ok but can the zealot have a dog

[whole glade]

okay foine the dawg cool

[vocal hawk]

dogtide gaming

[whole glade]

as long as you have the minimal upgrade dog

[vocal hawk]

all dogs look cool and they’re immortal

[whole glade]

hate seeing the dogs face being replaced by metal :[

[vocal hawk]

why didn’t horus use the immortal dogs during the heresy

[whole glade]

the voice are cool, but it isnt "The Judge" Zealot cool

WE ARE MIGHTY!

[vocal hawk]

I like scottish zealot I wish arbitrator had a scottish voice

[whole glade]

judge is better

and more realistic imo

[vocal hawk]

but the lex is the lex

[languid hazel]

The lex is the lex!

[whole glade]

i like the sheild weapons

[inland mantle]

If lex is so good where's lex 2

[languid hazel]

They should make all Arby voices ten times louder at all times, including Zorin’s :3

[vocal hawk]

high pitched mordhau frenchman voice

[green shoal]

Actually yeah you're right. The voices are cooler than my personal voice heh. But I play with The Judge voice so that was my baseline

[whole glade]

WE ARE MIGHTY!

[vocal hawk]

bodycam off since the horus heresy

[green shoal]

My favourite voice though is the psyker who thinks we're all just figments of his dream

And the Ogryns are charming too

Actually, there's a bunch of voices that I like

[whole glade]

the funny ogryn is the only good one

hes just mean in the other ones :[

[green shoal]

What does the funny Ogryn say?

[whole glade]

i like the french sounding one

[whole glade]

" Not Sure how i got ere...."

[hazy kestrel]

Fem loner psyker is peak.

[tender horizon]

Thats all of em

[whole glade]

thats the one i use!

[hazy kestrel]

Male loner psyker grates on my ears though

[whole glade]

the bodyguard i think

[hazy kestrel]

French psykers are both fine, same with the seers and their beloved.

[green shoal]

There's a female psyker who has a crazy laugh, I kind of like the crazy laugh

[tender horizon]

Russian?

[whole glade]

ye

[tender horizon]

Bodyguard

[whole glade]

thats funny orgryn

[tender horizon]

My favorite Og is Bully ngl, amusingly vicious.

He baits a lot of people to insult em

[cedar fulcrum]

wish people would stop doing the karnak twins mission, I hate spending 30 minutes going through a mission just to get own-zoned immediately at the last fight

[hazy kestrel]

Love the Karnak twins mission. Rinda my beloved ❤️‍🔥

In all seriousness, use the skip bell at the start.

[cedar fulcrum]

honestly I might just stop playing, like I can hardly get through the second difficulty unless I have a good build and I dont think ive ever successfully done a difficulty 3 mission

im not bad at these games, I do diff 10 on helldivers 2 for my default difficulty, but I just suck at darktide

[hazy kestrel]

Well, I’d say it also depends on the class you play as.

I’m great at zealot / vet but awful at Big Man and psyker somehow lol.

Maybe it’s just your current class pal, I say stick with it.

[languid hazel]

Before you quit

Lemme take ye on a mission :3

[hazy kestrel]

You have my thammer.

[cedar fulcrum]

I think the only classes that ive somewhat gotten the hang of is veteran and zealot but thats because I got used to chainsword+bolt pistol and now I struggle without my beloved chainsword

[blissful kiln]

you are and that's ok

[languid hazel]

I’ll get you some clears and some experience :>

[blissful kiln]

I bet you aren't pushing, dodging and blocking nearly enough

[hazy kestrel]

Let me get online again one moment, just finished curbstomping Rodin again actually

[cedar fulcrum]

im not

I find dodges dont do anything because they just hit you anyways and blocking doesnt work because every time I try to use it I get downed

[blissful kiln]

well, you are wrong

[languid hazel]

I hate to break it to you but this is very incorrect

[cedar fulcrum]

I press space when I hear the "you should dodge now" audio cue and I still get hit no matter which direction I go

[blissful kiln]

then you aren't pushing enough

or not blocking

[real gale]

Does anyone play special missions?

[orchid skiff]

So ur not gonna be a fox

[real gale]

The queue is empty all time

[blissful kiln]

easier to overdo pushing and blocking then relying on dodge only

[hazy kestrel]

Like the Orthus Offensive and Rolling Steel? All the time pal.

[whole glade]

depends. on the outfit.

if you know

[cedar fulcrum]

idk maybe I just got bad habits with the lower difficulties, after all why would I block and take damage when I could just keep attacking and kill them before they can hit me?

[little marten]

is it intended for plasma gunners to be able to hit you through walls an behind cover?

[real gale]

Pushing makes me vulnerable as a Psyker- waste of time

[blissful kiln]

huh?

how can it possibly make you vulnerable

[hazy kestrel]

Probably not, but we can sometimes hit them through thin walls and such with plasma so I guess it balances out?

[real gale]

When you don't block ranged attacks then it makes you vulnerable

and blessing for blocking ranged on weapon sucks

[hazy kestrel]

Positioning pal

[west urchin]

nah, that's a bug, I know what you're talking about, I've seen'em shoot through a couple walls at teammates, I stopped and took a screenshot like 'grut me, that's not good'

[hazy kestrel]

Ya need to position against firing lines

[orchid skiff]

What is up with madness combat enjoyers having the worst opinions of all times

This needs to be studied

[real gale]

lol. nice bait

[weak beacon]

Yo I forgot about madness combat

[real gale]

welcome =]

[blissful kiln]

ideally that's how it's done, but when learning, blocking is safer

[cedar fulcrum]

I find that darktide is an utter mess of unexplained mechanics, I have to open the wiki to find out what puncture, bleed, burning, rend, cleave, etc all do because its never explained anywhere in game and most of the answers I find are "it probably does this" because it all had to be gained from datamining or just testing

[hazy kestrel]

That is correct, to be fair.

[vocal hawk]

I find that if you hit your enemies enough times there’s no need to figure out any mechanics at all

[blissful kiln]

no offense, but you are just not correct about the mechanics

[cedar fulcrum]

so the only thing I know for sure that works is just the stuff that gives me more damage

[vocal hawk]

I call it the caveman play style

[green shoal]

The average age of a Madness Combat enjoyer is maybe about 75 years old, so that might have something to do with it
(Madness has been around since pretty much the dawn of internet video)

[little marten]

It’s almost like their shots are tracking so if you dip behind cover they hit you anyway

[hazy kestrel]

I have 1,500 hours and I still don’t know what some things do.

[blissful kiln]

learning the game on psyker is also... bold

[orchid skiff]

That explains why they are so sure they are right

[real gale]

I'm 27 xD

[blissful kiln]

although maybe new psyker isn't so bad

[vocal hawk]

unc

[west urchin]

yep, I've watched one track a teammate through a wall and down them, like in a totally seperate room, two layers of terrain between them, didn't give a single shit, smoked'em it'll get patched

[real gale]

I started game as a psyker and played nothing else

[cedar fulcrum]

if I can one shot a mauler or crusher with a heavy special attack from my chainsword then I have enough damage and I can start doing things like "+10% rending when mercury is in retrograde and you've dodged 23 times in a row" and stuff

[blissful kiln]

yeah, I'm just saying it's probably the hardest class to level and learn the game on

[vocal hawk]

least complicated darktide passive

if you just pick whatever perk makes the numbers go up the most that’s usually the best one

[green shoal]

Did you hate the game when you started? When you moved to other classes, were you surprised at how much easier they were in comparison?

[cedar fulcrum]

my entire playstyle is just: "left click when enemies, press space when audio cue even if it doesnt do anything and press C then charge heavy when mauler/crusher, then pull out ranged when trapper/sniper"

[real gale]

Never played other classes, but clearly see they are easier when I spectate

I love the game!

[vocal hawk]

block spam and attack that’s all you need to do

[cedar fulcrum]

hold on gotta look up what blocking even does

no wiki entry

lmao

[vocal hawk]

just hold the block button and attack to stun crowds and then carve through them with your melee

[real gale]

Psyker has so much to offer, it is difficult but fun. I die less and less as I learn. And after update it is soooooo much easier to sustain

first 120 hours I played before the update

[west urchin]

i tagged you in #ogryn-class w/ a screenshot of them blasting through a wall

[little marten]

lmaooo

[blissful kiln]

it blocks damage

[vocal hawk]

darktide is just payday 2 with extra steps

[green shoal]

When you hit block, it also blocks anything behind you (just in case you didn't know)

[orchid skiff]

Dark times ahead when people need to be taught what blocking is

[vocal hawk]

fr just use dog

dogtide gaming

[orchid skiff]

You know what to do

🗣️

[real gale]

This update be like Darktiders 2- love it

[cedar fulcrum]

ive never had a need to block, left clicking kills 90% of the game before they can hit me and the other 10% are maulers/crushers/bosses in which case I should absolutely not engage in melee and just shoot them

[orchid skiff]

Which diff do you play on

[cedar fulcrum]

2, I could do 3 but I would be sweating puddles

[orchid skiff]

If you're on havoc i want to see the gameplay

[blissful kiln]

if you're deliberately avoiding fighting melee enemies in melee you're building bad habits

[orchid skiff]

Tf is 2

[cedar fulcrum]

malice I think?

[vocal hawk]

like the entire game is about melee

ranged weapons are for losers

[real gale]

True, I had to learn it hard way

[orchid skiff]

Ok are you actually all baiting

Am i being baited

[neon agate]

Darktide?

[blissful kiln]

oh, psyker can forget about melee actually

but that's psyker

[vocal hawk]

yeah

[cedar fulcrum]

idk maybe I could do 3 (whatever the name is) with a really good build

[real gale]

Except the staff, staff is fun

[cedar fulcrum]

but most of the time I do malice

[vocal hawk]

dog + shock maul is all you need in life

[neon agate]

You can make ranged builds, but you still need SOME form of melee

You can't go full ranged tbh

[orchid skiff]

@fair bridge is this the kind of stuff on the forums?

[cedar fulcrum]

I dont even know where I go to start a havoc mission

[vocal hawk]

need to be max level

[glossy shore]

I just wanted to play a normal game or two

[astral basin]

Aaaaa

[cedar fulcrum]

i've not maxed any of my operatives yet so that would explain it

[glossy shore]

Instead I am given this lag fest and lost connection multiple times...

WHY

[vocal hawk]

stratagem jammer

[green shoal]

I do agree with you on this, they've kind of hidden the Havoc mode

[glossy shore]

What

[vocal hawk]

reference to hit game helldivers 2

[blissful kiln]

you can't. you need to do a heresy\auric maelstrom first

[orchid skiff]

Shit game helldivers 2

(i have hundred of hours)

[glossy shore]

Ok then

[vocal hawk]

I have 217 hours and it is the buggiest game I’ve played in a while

[glossy shore]

Now what gives?!

[vocal hawk]

truly an arrowhead moment

[hidden trout]

This guy hasn't played destiny 2

[cedar fulcrum]

objectively incorrect (super earths strongest diver)

[glossy shore]

Why am I lagging so damn much for no reason!?

[west urchin]

I spent hundreds of hours in Malice, when I eventually moved up to Heresy I was shook to try damnation, I felt like it was totally impossible. Now I kill daemonhosts without warning the group first in auric regularly for funsies. In time you'll look back on your time in Malice like 'Bro, that was me?'

[orchid skiff]

Oh definitely. I've been here since launch when the game crashed every 15 minutes

I'm just incredibly stubborn

[green shoal]

The only way to truly know if something is shit is to invest hundreds of hours. How else can you be sure

[vocal hawk]

I remember waiting in queues for open spots

[orchid skiff]

Not gonna give them one more cent tho

[vocal hawk]

I buy EVERY new warbond because I am a generous denizen

[orchid skiff]

I have every warbond earned in game

Except the cop one because useless

[vocal hawk]

yeah that one was ass

[cedar fulcrum]

while I do like the guns, melee weapons, and the build variety I dont play the game for long. At most ill play for a couple days and get an operative up to 20 then ill play something else and forget about darktide

[hidden trout]

My darktide Canon event is in feb 2023 as a vet fully dying like 4 times in the old hab dreyko end event where an ogryn carried the whole team then told me to kill myself
I was inspired
And I did my research and got good
And here I am now
In fatsharks basement cuz of strawhat

[cedar fulcrum]

I dont play long enough to remember what anything does but I do remember that chainsword obliterates anything maulers sized and smaller and bolt pistol/revolver kills everything else

[glossy shore]

Guess no one knows

[tribal osprey]

Daemon host turn into my personal test dummies. Get your ass over here I need to test this new build

[orchid skiff]

You didn't kill yourself so you weren't inspired enough

[vocal hawk]

so basically if you hit someone enough they die and you’re supposed to do that to about 1000 people each match

[hidden trout]

I wonder where that guy is now
I wonder if he knows he sparked my growth of being good at the game by telling me to kill myself

[glossy shore]

[green shoal]

Meanwhile, the other 10 guys he told to kill themselves all dislike him for some odd reason

[orchid skiff]

I had the same thing from dark souls 3. Most people that invaded newbie me were nice. But as more and more were toxic, I wanted to get better. Skip forward and I'm bullying people in elden ring

[cedar fulcrum]

I forget what puncture/rend/everything else does so I go to the absolute basics

It means im stuck on malice difficulty whenever I play but if fatshark wanted me to use the mechanics of the game they would have added basic tooltips for all this

[orchid skiff]

I spent the weekend of the dlc release blocking people from accessing or progressing the dlc

[vocal hawk]

I have around 40 hours and I have no idea what any of those means but im definitely doing everything correctly

[cedar fulcrum]

me neither

[vocal hawk]

if you just get every perk then you don’t have to worry about anything

[cedar fulcrum]

both on not knowing what they do and not doing anything correctly considering ive been stuck on malice for 80 hours

[restive walrus]

Still my favourite origin story

[glossy shore]

[restive walrus]

The game gets most fun when you break the malice barrier

[hidden trout]

Its so peak

[glossy shore]

The only barrier that's breaking is my mental one

Because this lag is killing me

[vocal hawk]

the game gets fun every single time I send a disgusting wretch that is the arch-enemy’s soldiers into the depths of the warp with my shock maul

[glossy shore]

I got to watch a bomber walk in mid-air for like 10 seconds before getting yeeted out of the game.

[vocal hawk]

heretic witchcraft

[glossy shore]

It must be purged

[west urchin]

At the mission terminal press e(or w/e if you're console) again for server settings, You might have done this but double check your region, mine was set to the wrong one after last patch

[cedar fulcrum]

the biggest problem is that there isnt really any reason for me to keep playing, nothing much to work towards

I mean you can say the same thing about helldivers 2 with you unlocking everything by level 40 (150 levels in the game) but unlike darktide I got good and now enjoy playing diff 10 (maximum difficulty) as my comfort difficulty

but unlike darktide, helldivers 2 does not have half a billion mechanics that are never explained and requires actually studying the game and taking notes to remember what everything does, its essentially a chore to get better and not a matter of practice

[vocal hawk]

stop being a coward and play heresy boy!!!!

[blissful kiln]

you really don't need any of this to reach auric

[cedar fulcrum]

I do not like losing

[vocal hawk]

losing is how you learn

[glossy shore]

Don't lose then

simple

[blissful kiln]

all you need to know is that dodge = good, slide = good, push = good

[cedar fulcrum]

and I have not made a habit of dodging/blocking/pushing

[vocal hawk]

you can’t….block?

[hidden trout]

Ik some popular d2 pvper who plays other games on his second channel got sponsored for darktide and made a video on it and called the combat pretty simple (he was playing malice and lower)
He got exploded in the comments and to repent he made another video where he was forced to do an auric maelstrom
He got constantly obliterated in a civi cuz of the "simple" combat
He retracted his statement

[cedar fulcrum]

not for me, all I see when I lose is that I wasnt good enough and I should feel bad

[vocal hawk]

because you aren’t blocking

[ancient violet]

Loosing is what I do 😈

[vocal hawk]

that’s like one of the most essential things you learn to do

[glossy shore]

Losing doesn't make me sad

it makes me mad

[hidden trout]

Its a 4 player co-op game
The burden lies on the 4 of you, not one person specifically

[glossy shore]

and stubborn

so I try again

[ancient violet]

Nah it's always you Cole

[hidden trout]

Sometimes you get people out of their depth and not carrying their weight

And all the burden is placed on you
If you cant overcome that, thats okay because you werent at fault

[glossy shore]

I'd hate to be carrying an Ogryns weight

[hidden trout]

The game fundamentally isnt designed for 1 person to carry all the weight

[cedar fulcrum]

you cant rely on your teammates half the time because I am stuck at malice so no one knows how to play (including me), the only reason I stay by my teammates is because they can revive me easier and because my toughness goes up when I am near them

[vocal hawk]

stay in cohesion

[weak beacon]

I wish black Templar fans weren’t so cringe and stupid

[hidden trout]

If you are reliably clearing malice without many issues tho, its time to bump it up though

The higher you go, the higher quality teammates you'll get too

[cedar fulcrum]

good enough for malice but fumbles on whatever is higher than that

I also need a good build

[vocal hawk]

are you upgrading your weapons?

[hard crane]

The pins usually have good builds

[glossy shore]

My server settings in-game are what they should be

[cedar fulcrum]

most of the time (unless its chainsword + high damage ranged for specilists) I dont

[cedar fulcrum]

yes

[glossy shore]

or whatever...so that can't be the cause of lag

Either it's my PC or the game itself...

And I am so hoping it's not my PC

[vocal hawk]

shock maul and shield = winning 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[west urchin]

bummer it wasn't that easy, prolly not your PC though, everybody been disconnecting at least a lil bit seems like

[glossy shore]

Oh?

Then it must be the servers/game itself

[cedar fulcrum]

im so isolated from how the game works that I never understood why the dueling sword is meta

it does no damage (50 lmao) and doesnt hordeclear because it has no swing attacks

if I wanted to attack specialists I would whip out my ranged

[glossy shore]

I blame Nurgle

[vocal hawk]

crowd control

[glossy shore]

Damn chaos god infecting the servers to make them slower

[cedar fulcrum]

how does it crowd control? it pokes one enemy at a time

[hidden trout]

It has high mobility (which means avoiding damage is easier, same with avoiding bad positioning)
And the heavy stabs deal so much damage that you can easily kill dangerous enemies before they can blink

The poke deals with armor too

[vocal hawk]

yeah it controls crowds by killing them

[cedar fulcrum]

sounds like my chainsword but my chainsword also deals with hordes

[hidden trout]

Duelling sword will do what your chainsword does to beefier targets in a fraction of the time, with much better range and distance

[cedar fulcrum]

what started this conversation again?

[green shoal]

Not sure if the Dueling Sword is still meta. But it used to be great because you could run really fast with it, and if you did its 'special attack' (do you know how to do weapons' special attacks?), you could kill even Crushers pretty quickly and easily

[cedar fulcrum]

oh yeah, im bad at darktide

[hidden trout]

Hordes also are generally the least threatening thing the higher up you go, as basic dodges and pushes can let you control and kill them with any weapon

[cedar fulcrum]

unfortunate that I never dodge/push/block

[hidden trout]

Thats what youre missing

This is your bread and butter

[minor narwhal]

people hunger for a 2nd duelling sword nerf

[glossy shore]

We need to introduce him to Piccolo's training

[hard crane]

dodging straight up the best thing you can be doing ever

[vocal hawk]

dude blocking is the most basic mechanic you could possibly learn except maybe hitting the attack button

[inland mantle]

whats wasd?

[glossy shore]

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODGE!

[hidden trout]

You wont ever improve if you dont do those
That sounds mean but I dont mean it to be, theyre just that vital to the combat

[hard crane]

if you get in the habit of dodging while fighting you’ll be avoiding a lot of damage intentionally or not

[cedar fulcrum]

I never really developed a habit for dodging because I get hit anyways (yes I dodge when I hear the backstab audio cue) and why block when I can just keep left clicking to mop up a horde? if I cant kill something within 2 hits then its a mauler/crusher/boss and I should back off and charge a special while aiming for the head

[green shoal]

Dodging and blocking are fundamental, you need them. (At higher difficulties, there are enemies who can wipe you out with 1 hit, so at that level you kind of need to make sure that you just 'never get hit' - which you can only really do by constantly dodging and blocking.)

[vocal hawk]

because swinging at everyone like a buffoon doesn’t help you not take damage

[minor narwhal]

not dodging is defo some challenge run lmao

[cedar fulcrum]

I figured out there are enemies that can kill you in one hit when I realized that blocking a crushers attack is a bad idea and I should not do that

[hidden trout]

Blocking is the least used out of the 3, but it has its situations, for example chaos spawns kinda become a joke when you block their faster attacks
Dodging is the most important tho

[blissful kiln]

wdym why? you just said you're taking damage when dodging

blocking prevents damage

blocking is 360 degrees

[green shoal]

I remember figuring out this same thing in the same way heh

[hidden trout]

Push is also 360

[cedar fulcrum]

because I would try to block the attacks of more dangerous enemies and got one shot

so I never bothered with blocking

[vocal hawk]

so dodge those attacks

[blissful kiln]

you only get oneshot on overheads

[west urchin]

ngl I played for an embarrassing amount of time before I realized blocking was a 360 around us

[cedar fulcrum]

get hit anyways, which is why I dont bother with them

[hard crane]

Also even if you’re getting hit trying to dodge, you’ll at least be avoiding some attacks you never knew would’ve hit you in the first place

[vocal hawk]

dodge earlier

[cedar fulcrum]

I dodge the moment I hear the audio cue

[blissful kiln]

darktide is extremely lenient with dodging attacks

[vocal hawk]

have you played Elden ring

[cedar fulcrum]

yes, I beat maliketh and got such a victory high that I stopped playing

[hidden trout]

Then you just gotta get the timings down
You enter a dodge state where attacks cant hit you for the duration of it, and depending on the class, it can linger for a bit after the dodge ends

[vocal hawk]

so you know about delayed attacks right

[west urchin]

I won't say to completely disregard audio cues but certainly don't train yourself to depend on them as triggers

[blissful kiln]

same

[cedar fulcrum]

yes

[green shoal]

If you jump backwards, you might still get hit yeah. (Unless you're a bit better with your positioning, and you know to get as far back as you can.) It can be better to dodge to the side

[vocal hawk]

yeah just treat audio cues as delayed attacks and dodge/block or whenever slightly later than after you hear them

[lethal jasper]

Man’s playing with one hand, half blind and relies only on audio cues. That about sums it up.

[minor narwhal]

i forget this game has jumping and dodging on the same button by default

[vocal hawk]

servitor challenge run

[hidden trout]

Shift dodge is king you cant prove me wrong

[minor narwhal]

space dodge the real winner big button means stronger dodges

[hard crane]

If you haven’t already i recommend turning on always dodge setting if you keep dodge and jump on same key

[cedar fulcrum]

the only times I could actually dodge are:

A) surrounded by a horde but because I am surrounded I will get hit anyways no matter where I dodge to

B) big enemy is charging an attack but I still get hit anyways like a crusher overhead, I could dodge backwards but still get hit or I can dodge sideways but still get hit because the crusher rotated with me

[hidden trout]

Shift dodge doesnt interfere with sprinting and normalizes the inputs for sliding on all directions

And doesnt fuck with jumps

[green shoal]

Yeah... I play on controller so it also has another weird thing: Whenever I tag an enemy (to highlight the enemy), I also often end up yelling "Thanks!" or "I need Ammo!", because it's somehow tied to the same button too

[minor narwhal]

oof

[cedar fulcrum]

I mean I still press the space button to dodge anyways because idk maybe I feel a bit better knowing that I might have dodged one attack from a poxwalker

[heady bay]

Getting scrips/main not found. Any idea what about the mod loader update is causing that?

[lethal jasper]

My dodge is bound to a side button on mouse. We smart.

[vocal hawk]

it’s better not to get hit than to get hit

[cedar fulcrum]

it just ends up with me spamming the dodge button though

[hidden trout]

For a the solution is to position yourself to not get surrounded, tho pushing repeatedly could create space to get out
For b you want to side dodge, but you basically want to i frame it cuz of that dodge state I mentioned, the timing is generous but you just have to recognize when the attack will land

[vocal hawk]

that’s a you problem man

[cedar fulcrum]

ya I know thats all of my problems

[neon agate]

If you have a problem with dodging play Ogryn with Shield

[hidden trout]

Im not home otherwise id give video examples of proper dodges

[cedar fulcrum]

I tried that and I didnt like it

I like the pickaxe

[lethal jasper]

What’s your human benchmark?

[neon agate]

Ah yeah

[cedar fulcrum]

what?

[blissful kiln]

why not bind sprint to space then?

[neon agate]

Maybe if you have Arb do that again

[lethal jasper]

Human benchmark reaction test

[minor narwhal]

my jump is on hecking C btw

[hidden trout]

Shift is the movement button in every game
Space is the jump button in every game
Duh?

[blissful kiln]

ackchusally

[cedar fulcrum]

300 ms or something, I did this when I was getting obliterated by maliketh

[blissful kiln]

Mass Effect sprint is default Spacebar

[neon agate]

Could also do Psyker with shield

[hidden trout]

Thats not a real game

[vocal hawk]

arbitrator is the best class ever

[hard crane]

Longer the sprint button the more stamina

[cedar fulcrum]

dont have enough points to unlock it

[neon agate]

Arb is pretty strong yeah

[vocal hawk]

dogtide 40k

[green shoal]

I don't have a great solution for when I'm completely surrounded by enemies and it's hard to get out. But for me, I'm a Zealot and I have "Fury of the Faithful" - so whenever I'm in a tight spot like that, I hit the button for Fury of the Faithful, and it often lets me 'blast out' of the horde, to a safer space. It's not a great solution, but it's what I do.
Not sure what class you're playing

[cedar fulcrum]

and ive not bought the arbitrator because it will end the same way all of my other operatives do (get to 20 trust then drop the game because I got bored) and because with everyone saying how amazing arbitrator is it just seems like pay 2 win

[vocal hawk]

pay to win pve game

I’ve heard it all

[neon agate]

If you like dog companions may introduce to a game claled remnant 2 with a dog class

[minor narwhal]

not mutually exclusive

[blissful kiln]

if you wanted a class that can get you through auric without learning anything - Arbitrator is that class

[hidden trout]

@cedar fulcrum when it comes down to it tho
For every class and every build, these are things you'll have to do, so id just recommend focusing on improving the dodging blocking and pushing

[vocal hawk]

I don’t know what that means but it’s probably against my current opinion so you are wrong

[minor narwhal]

uh pve can be pay 2 win if you pay and that makes you win

lmfao

[hidden trout]

Does someone have a good example of a melee dodge dance

[vocal hawk]

I paid for the game and won does that make the game pay to win or no

[minor narwhal]

yeah

they gotta fix that

[vocal hawk]

fair enough

[blissful kiln]

does DT have dodge dancing?

[minor narwhal]

thats like half the game

[hidden trout]

I mean like the rhythm you get into for melee

[hard crane]

That’s why you pirate that way it’s not p2w

[vocal hawk]

anyone who says arb is pay to win is just mad that I have more bands than them

[lethal jasper]

Hopefully that’s on a phone

[torn garnet]

how is the power falchion? is it bis for veteran or meh?

[minor narwhal]

idk try it out to see if you like the moveset

its pretty fun

[torn garnet]

the first mark felt kinda eh

[minor narwhal]

i like the mark with the light thrust attack

[vocal hawk]

billie jean is not my lover

[astral basin]

Aaaaa

[cedar fulcrum]

While I may be horrid at darktide at least we can all agree that what isn't horrid is the soundtrack

Jesper Kyd cooked

[crimson crane]

Imagine if we had the dev team where as based as OST guy

DT would have been in so much better place after 3 years of it's release

[cedar fulcrum]

I wish space marine 2 had half the quality darktides art direction, weapon models, and soundtrack has

[crimson crane]

At least they work on their game in a reasonable time scale

They got a lot for being only 1 years old

[cedar fulcrum]

SM2 is a game I would like to play more but it feels incredibly janky and poorly made, I mean the space marine customizer is the only thing I can say they did well

[crimson crane]

They actually provides the road map to their playerbase as well

[crimson crane]

It is fundamentally speaking, a very generic TPS shooter

It doesn't have as much depth as DT for sure

[vocal hawk]

what is this? some kind of….imperial advance?

[cedar fulcrum]

Idk maybe I'll try veteran again or something, poor Mikel needs to stretch his legs (and get obliterated at whatever difficulty is above malice)

[zinc quail]

Arbites is so annoying they always stealing my kills

[formal mortar]

It's their kill if you didn't kill it

Also this is a team game so who cares?

[cedar fulcrum]

Maybe I'll use the devil's claw sword and try parrying

I mean I am TERRIBLE at timing parries judging on my past experiences playing souls like games

[zinc quail]

Not quite as in depth sure but its not so surface level. Like 6 classes, with a bunch of skills to choose from, granted not as much as each class gets in DT. Then each class has usually 3 to 5 primary, secondary and melee weapons each with their own perk tree

[formal mortar]

There aren't any skills to choose from, each class just has 1 skill and you have a perk tree that gives you some basic modifiers. Closest thing you get to another skill is some weapons trees give you an extra stomp or a stab

[crimson crane]

The way they are played is where i think it's a generic TPS shooter

Feels kiiinda samey

I usually cannot play more than 2 games per day cuz i'm getting bored after that

Not a bad game for sure but just doesn't satisfy my needs for horde shooter, it lacks the uh, oomph

[cedar fulcrum]

Ironic considering the premise

If SM2 had the quality of darktide it would be the best shooter ever

[zinc quail]

The parry and gunstrkes is the fun part for me. And the executions you feel like youre playing doom

[vocal hawk]

arbitrator*

[zinc quail]

the discord server says arbites class so idk man

[vocal hawk]

you don’t call a space marine an astarte

[crimson crane]

They had a really good opportunity but i feel like they missed it

[tawny fable]

for duelling sword do i want the dumpstat on mobility still

[crimson crane]

One thing i dislike for sure is that the bolters SM2 feels like i'm shooting a nerf gun

[vital wyvern]

My theory is the recent updates are to faze out poor people (who dont have good computers) and to make everyone ogry or arbites mains (to make more money and more people play those classes)

[lethal jasper]

That’s a build issue

[blissful kiln]

SM2 bolter is like Darktide Autopistol

[crimson crane]

No no i'm talking about gow they feel when shoootin

[formal mortar]

You can call them arbites

You can call them astartes

[crimson crane]

Shooting bolter in DT feels weighty and beefy

[lethal jasper]

Well

You have normal humans shooting boltors in DT vs augmented space marines shooting boltors

I’m not even a 40k lore enjoyer but that much is obvious

[minor narwhal]

sm2 bolters use nerf darts to save on ammo budget

[crimson crane]

I mean yea but they are also using much, much bigger bolter as well

[lethal jasper]

They’re small compared to their bodies tbh

[vital wyvern]

Imagine of the Ogryn could use a bolter

[crimson crane]

I don't think so unless you are talking about bolter carbines

[crimson crane]

Not just a bolter but heavy bolter

[cedar fulcrum]

how does parry work? do I press the special attack button when I see an attack instead of block?

[vocal hawk]

astartes and arbites are not the name of the soldier it’s the name of the organization

you don’t call space marines astarte because that’s fucking stupid you call them space marines because that’s a cool name

[blissful kiln]

yes

[vocal hawk]

and objectively arbitrator is really cool

[vital wyvern]

imagine them getting a lascannon, could see it using a system like plasma rifle where shooting it builds heat.

[cedar fulcrum]

can I perform a parry while also blocking at the same time?

[crimson crane]

Basically you auto parry everything when you during the special activation

[formal mortar]

Nah, you an still call them astartes, because they are astartes

[vital wyvern]

imagine if they gave the classes new cosmetics for the shop that didnt cost money too

[blissful kiln]

no and you will get mobbed if you try to parry a crowd

[cedar fulcrum]

so I press C to activate the special and any attack coming in for a very brief window gets blocked and I deal damage to them?

[languid hazel]

This is certainly a take

[crimson crane]

Exactly

[blissful kiln]

but you can parry stuff you can't normally block, like overheads

[cedar fulcrum]

oh neat

[vital wyvern]

get rid of the people who complain about prices and keep the ones who will keep buying cosmetics

[minor narwhal]

the latest updates are all to add more hype moments and aura to darktide

[crimson crane]

I think there's bonus for perfect parry but just spam parry whenever you can honestly

[blissful kiln]

back in my day we called them Spess Mehreens

not this zoomer soy Asstartees

[formal mortar]

Spess Mehreens! Attack!

[vital wyvern]

thpaith mawhreen

[languid hazel]

Spes muhreens

[crimson crane]

Also, the dueling sword got parry in the last update for some reason so use it over catachan sword

There's no reason to use catachan sword now

[cedar fulcrum]

but then I wont have horde clear

last I remember the dueling sword pokes literally one enemy at a time

hard to survive long when you have 50 poxwalkers on you with 2 more waves on the way

[crimson crane]

You sort of can with dueling sword light attacks

[blissful kiln]

you are playing psyker, no? you have other means of clearing hordes

[crimson crane]

Besides catachan sword has an awful modifier against armor

Good luck trying to kill buffed crusher with it

It would only take 10 years to koll one

[vital wyvern]

and you have gunners pinning you, and flamers making the ground deadly, and bombers making cover impossible, and plasma gunners shooting through crowds to deplete your health, and snipers doing the same thing but farther away-

[cedar fulcrum]

im in malice

this isnt havoc 400 or something (idk how many levels to havoc there are)

[formal mortar]

Also just for funsies to point out just 1 example of calling them astartes

SM2 has a line, "A Heldrake against three Astartes? This shall become Chapter lore!"

[crimson crane]

There are 40 havoc levels exists

Also does crusher spawns in malice?

I forgot how it is

[cedar fulcrum]

I wouldnt know ive done whatever difficulty is above malice like twice

both resulted in failures

[cedar fulcrum]

they spawn sometimes

[languid hazel]

Hellfloppers 2 crossover when? :3

[vital wyvern]

I dont play Havoc anymore, the difficulty got too high and I was forced out. The longer I play, the more updates come out, the fewer of my friends can play the game because of stability issues, and the more I get pushed out of higher difficulties.

[cedar fulcrum]

not common, but they do show up enough to be a problem

[cedar fulcrum]

you have friends?

[vital wyvern]

not anymore ;~;

[crimson crane]

The HP buff along with havoc mutations

Just

[vital wyvern]

they all left me for Silksong

[crimson crane]

Yea i wouldn't play high havocs atm

[cedar fulcrum]

better to have had something and lost it then to have never had it in the first place

[crimson crane]

It's kinda broken and BS honestly

[vocal hawk]

which book or any piece of media are an arbitrator called an arbite

[formal mortar]

idc about any of that, I'm not dealing with gatekeeping pedantics

[vocal hawk]

define pedantic

[vital wyvern]

Dictionary
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pe·dan·tic
/pəˈdan(t)ik/
adjective
of or like a pedant.
"many of the essays are long, dense, and too pedantic to hold great appeal"

[formal mortar]

Pedantic as in I don't have to continue talking to you, nor does anybody who chooses not to

[blissful kiln]

arbite\astarte isn't used. arbites\astartes is singular and plural.
or arbitrator, space marine respectively

[whole glade]

idgaf hadron is cutie

[vocal hawk]

redditor core

[blissful kiln]

wow, this blew up

[formal mortar]

When did I say arbite or astarte?

[cedar fulcrum]

ive got no idea how to use any melee other than chainsword

[vital wyvern]

been interesting seeing the server go from laughing at the steam comments and claiming the game is still perfect, to basically being the steam comments but more active.

[formal mortar]

And who cares because people know what you are referring to in either case

[crimson crane]

Just swing until everything dies on your screen

[cedar fulcrum]

as it turns out most communities are not echo chambers where only one opinion is prevalent and there are in fact different opinions on topics

[crimson crane]

There are handful of them needs a specific attk moves to become really shine but don't worry about it

[vital wyvern]

the shift is what I found interesting, the last few updates have been butt enough even here is no longer safe from criticism

I am thankful the explosive barrel event is over

[blissful kiln]

people have always been shittng on DT here

what are you talking about

[crimson crane]

I think there have been a very vocal ppl who basically lives 24/7 in here with toxic positivity

[blissful kiln]

DARKTIDE BAD

[crimson crane]

But i don't see them often thesedays

[vital wyvern]

Most fun section of darktide to me was the period I started playing first, after the weapon crafting rework and before the ogryn rework.

[whole glade]

imma eat a gun in front of hadron

[compact lichen]

this update is an L, the game was alot better before. these new plasma gunners are the worst.

[vital wyvern]

Ogryn spotted

[hidden trout]

The goomba fallacy

[formal mortar]

I like the talent trees so far

[cedar fulcrum]

im gonna try out the dueling sword and combat shotgun with the veteran

[vital wyvern]

very, look at the recent reviews, been a while since I saw negative outnumber positive

[cedar fulcrum]

ill let you all know when I get obliterated

[whole glade]

nuh uh im a being of many

[formal mortar]

Plasma gunners need more work though, I think they're weighted at the same value as shotgunners so they just spawn in hordes

[whole glade]

i can eat anything

[lethal solstice]

casually ignoring the 3 class reworks and 1 weapon +2 marks because of 1 enemy

[vital wyvern]

yes

its that bad

[crimson crane]

Plasma gunner and HP buff was bit too much imo. Other stuff on this update is pretty good i'd say.

[vital wyvern]

it says a lot that the reworks, new weapon, and new marks, are outshone by instakill hoards of enemies

[blissful kiln]

HP buff is literally nothing

[lethal solstice]

Hp buff was great

[blissful kiln]

only matters somewhat in havoc

[crimson crane]

Eh.... no not really

[blissful kiln]

absolutely zero difference in auric, carapace is still paper

[crimson crane]

I mean it makes sense in the context of auric

But when it comes to high havoc with mutations

If's uh

[vital wyvern]

Only character i have that can go above malice anymore is my ogryn

[crimson crane]

Bit too much

[lethal solstice]

It makes things semi threatening in normal non cbt difficulties

[delicate fox]

darktide is the worst thing ever and also the greatest game on the planet

[vital wyvern]

can at least knock enemies out of the way

[crimson crane]

Maybe lower the HP modifier that they would get on high havoc would be better

[formal mortar]

I'd like plasma gunners to have a better indicator and maybe change the fire rate on them

[lethal solstice]

Wait why are you giving any opinions on the quality of the update

If you can't play above malice on anything but one of the busted classes

[vital wyvern]

because I have been pushed out by the increased difficulty

[whole glade]

me when the crows have bars

i love sludge metal

[vital wyvern]

I use to be able to play them, then spawn rates went up, enemies were added, and before long levels I could play with ease on all classes became something I can barely get through anymore.

[blissful kiln]

I know the game shouldn't be balanced for Havoc, but it shouldn't be balance for fucking malice either

[formal mortar]

Malice is like easy mode

[vital wyvern]

It brings me pain, because it is too easy, but you go up a difficulty notch and suddenly you are getting pinned in hoards of armor, yoinked by trappers, and burned like a witch by flamers

[formal mortar]

Heresy is easy too

[whole glade]

well if their experienced

not someone whos new

[vital wyvern]

until it is suddenly not, game going great, everyone doing well, and then suddenly it all goes to poop

[formal mortar]

It sounds like you could benefit playing on the harder modes that you are bad at, and learn from the experience

[vital wyvern]

it wont help, 494.4 hours of play

[blissful kiln]

heresy is a circle of hell though

[whole glade]

💔

[formal mortar]

And if you are a more visual learner, watch someone play through a few missions

[whole glade]

holy

[blissful kiln]

you either solo it or lose the match 50\50

same with damnation tbh

[astral basin]

Aaaaa

[formal mortar]

I mean if you can't figure it out then I guess you stay at the lower difficulties where you are having fun

[whole glade]

yeah, thats the point of games. FUN.

[formal mortar]

And if you can't have fun either way and can't find a way to improve, which I believe everyone can improve, then play a different game honestly

[whole glade]

not to be ass pounded all game

[astral basin]

I remember when auric was a new feature, and you just needed to finish heresy to tab to damn n auric

[vital wyvern]

Im just sad the game I use to play, has gotten to a point I cant play it, and cant play it with my buddies anymore.

thank god the gunners arent as bad anymore

[halcyon pebble]

Build issue perhaps

[restive walrus]

Says you

[formal mortar]

Honestly what class/weapons are you using? There are some pretty easy combinations especially now

[whole glade]

NOT LIKE THAT YOU FREAKO

[astral basin]

I require. Direction.

[restive walrus]

Ogryn, chaos Ogryn, ROTBAG

[formal mortar]

I've had a lot of fun running a greatsword on the psyker

[restive walrus]

All day all NIGHT

[delicate fox]

go forward and then take a left

[whole glade]

Oh...

[vital wyvern]

Veteran I go with the maul and a helbore or a boltpistol, for zealot I go with big flashy blade and a shotgun, for ogryn I go pickaxe and double stubber, for psyker I go sword and boltpistol.

All well and good, funtional, until I am in a sea of armor unnable to move while I am being shot through enemies by enemies I cant even see, and then now I am trappered and where did that flamer come from?

The game has gotten harder, that is an undeniable fact.

it was easier when I first started playing.

[halcyon pebble]

Yeaaa i see the problem

[restive walrus]

All day all night KILLING em in the name of the god emperor

Side point what if instead of being called darktide it was freak tide and instead of killing us the heratics took care of us

[vital wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-warhammer-40k-for-the-emperor-handshake-bro-shake-gif-14167301251661325594

[blissful kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-emotiguy-emotiguy-butt-shake-emoji-butt-shake-joe-butt-shake-gif-14427695574209448709

[restive walrus]

The names of the embed fails are funnier than the gifs themself

[blissful kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/poop-gif-21696855

[whole glade]

fr

and isstead of nurgle is slaanesh

[vital wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/purge-wh40k-burn-gif-13397110

[whole glade]

:3

no image perms

loser

[vital wyvern]

;~;

[whole glade]

sorry :[

[jaunty path]

None of us have image perms

[vital wyvern]

I challenge you to a thumb war >:[

[whole glade]

guess what

[cedar fulcrum]

dueling sword is kinda mid, I mean you sprint fast and the first poking heavy attack is nice but it takes like 4 headshots to kill literally anything

[whole glade]

i dont have them

[formal mortar]

I don't like the dueling sword myself

[vital wyvern]

👀

[blissful kiln]

what game are you playing where duelling sword doesn't oneshot everything in malice

[halcyon pebble]

Put uncanny and say that again

[blissful kiln]

no

no uncanny

[jaunty path]

Probably shitty blessings and modifers.

[formal mortar]

I rather run a thunder hammer or greatsword

[blissful kiln]

it doesn't need anything to oneshot everything not carapace

[cedar fulcrum]

I mean the light attacks only do 51 damage

[whole glade]

i love unccanny shi

[blissful kiln]

are you light attacking elites?

[cedar fulcrum]

even basic enemies need 4 headshots to kill (when the arbitrator isnt obliterating everything)

at least the parry saved me a few times

[cedar fulcrum]

open with a heavy to poke their head, if that didnt kill them then I just light attack spammed

[vital wyvern]

Arbites, We have the Meat

[blissful kiln]

you need to hit heads, even lights oneshot trash

[whole glade]

im a bad bitch i love the boiled one

[cedar fulcrum]

I was, it took 4 headshots with lights to kill basic enemies, poxwalkers took 2

[vital wyvern]

soft or hard boiled?

[round gulch]

The worst thing about this game is that I have long ago perfected my vet drip and there will never be anything I can change about it

[vital wyvern]

felt

[whole glade]

i think theyre boiled in blood in hell

idk about style tho

[cedar fulcrum]

the ones that wear tan shirts or something, scabs?

[blissful kiln]

you don't light attack anything that isn't a poxwalker

[cedar fulcrum]

I find light attacks to be more survivable because sometimes you stagger enemies which means less attacks coming towards you, if I were to charge up a heavy then there is nothing staggering them and I get hit

I mean sure I kill stuff in one hit but I take much more damage

[blissful kiln]

the heavy comes out in 0.1s

[cedar fulcrum]

that and its far easier to just spam left click than time a heavy

and I dont have to worry about my aim very much because of how fast light attacks are on most weapons

[vital wyvern]

Did you know buttermints are just powdered sugar, milk/evaporated milk/sweet and condensed milk, + mint extract? wild.

Same recipe for the filling in peppermint patties, made some of those a while go. that was fun.

[formal mortar]

Don't you need scriers gaze to do the one shots?

Tried without and gunners and such have always been a 2 shot for me with the dueling sword

[green shoal]

Always melee poxwalkers, live free, die free

[blissful kiln]

maybe in auric+ but in malice? doubt

[whole glade]

i want lil goblin fellas

[cedar fulcrum]

what are the differences between the duelling sword marks?

[whole glade]

they seem silly and cute

and like the chiller version of orks

is there a warhammer goblin faction?

[tender horizon]

Grots

Snots

[slim axle]

She War on my Hammer till i 40K

[tender horizon]

Theyre not chiller than orks tho

They're more conniving

[delicate fox]

fantasy is better if you want a goblin race that has a more distinct identity of its own

[restive walrus]

She goblin on my race till I fantasy

Fantasy

She gonna see

The way this warhammer shit looking at me

Karl franz with the blammer

Banana slammer

🔥✍️🔥

[green shoal]

Wu-Tau Clan
(it was the best rap + 40k wordplay I could think of)

[vestal mantle]

Did not kill hairy ticks today but a game I was playing had a hairy tick moment

[restive walrus]

Nah that was fire

You are a true word warrior

A..fire warrior perhaps

[vestal mantle]

Tau... We can shoot them gud too

[cedar fulcrum]

suck so bad that I cant even do the event missions on malice difficulty

[hidden trout]

have you worked on dodging and stuff?

[cedar fulcrum]

yes, still doesnt work and I get hit anyways

though I got a dueling sword so I can fail at parrying because when you have 7 enemies merging into one fleshmass in front of you its pretty hard to see the mauler going for an attack

[hidden trout]

plasma gunners aside cuz theyre weird and kinda broken tho

[shell goblet]

darktide

[hidden trout]

maulers are taller than horde enemies and have a distinct red visor so you can identify them easier
they also have unique lines that play when they are winding an overhead

[restive walrus]

You can also hear the rev of their chain axe

[green shoal]

The game has so much depth that it's hard to say exactly what you might be struggling with.
Some people do feel more naturally comfortable with different classes, different playstyles, different weapons. (Just because other people say the Dueling Sword is good doesn't mean it will click with you.) But some things to look at are:

1. Fundamentals of dodging, blocking, sliding.
2. Basic enemy patterns (dodging when a Mutant is near, dodging when you hear the Trapper sound, sliding when running toward gunners/snipers, blocking/dodging if a dog jumps at you)
3. Look at your Build, and what blessings your weapons have, what curios you have (I always have Gunner Protection on my curios)
   After that, there's a lot of other stuff... You can learn more complicated enemy patterns (how to fight Monstrosities), getting more spatial awareness (a better understanding of where the safer spaces are in the levels), using your Special Attacks, learning which body parts of an enemy are weakpoints...

[main zephyr]

auric mortrus trials are great round 10 plasma gunners 3 beast of nurgle 2 chaos spawns round 11 bombers tox bombers 1 beast 3 plague boys and 2 chaos spawns then round 12 had pox bursters tox boys and trappers running around while a demon host chased me

[restive walrus]

Fuck that nerd shit if the weapon doesn’t two shot then it’s BAD

[main zephyr]

that has been fixed lol

[restive walrus]

Meta? Talent nodes? I just go straight down the tree to Marty

[main zephyr]

crushers went from 3600 in damnation to 6500

[hardy wyvern]

will they ever implement multiple talent pages

[main zephyr]

everything other then pox walkers got big health increase

its fun

[vocal hawk]

greatest band this side of the warp

[main zephyr]

i like some of endless taverns 40k songs

[vocal hawk]

is there a planet in 40k where it’s chill or is every planet in super hell

[main zephyr]

the safest planet

by far is terra

[green shoal]

I'm noticing Martyr is popular now, but I feel like people are doing it wrong. You don't HAVE to play Martyrdom at almost-zero health so that you keep dying and the team has to keep reviving you.
You're allowed to heal. You can play at normal health, and then let your Martyrdom kick in when things get crazy and everybody is losing life

[main zephyr]

sadly

[vocal hawk]

40k is literally all tomorrows bruh

can’t have shit in the hive worlds

[main zephyr]

nope

other then terra

krobous specifcally

is peaceful

[halcyon pebble]

Its better than before

[main zephyr]

other then that good luck

[little marten]

Space some of these paragraphs

FURY OF THE FAITHFUL AND BLAZING PIETY

[main zephyr]

i wonder are zealots in 40k more religous then saltzpyre

[green shoal]

What does Blazing Piety do again? I always forget

[little marten]

Think it gives you crit and shit with stacks

All I really know is my screen flashes a bit and I become a blender

[green shoal]

Ah yeah... I kind of ignore crits (maybe bad of me)

[elder junco]

At a certain point I feel like you can only have so much zeal, you can only be willing to give up your entire life, way of being, ideology, etc to a certain extent before it's just what flavor of totally devoted you are

[coarse tree]

crit is good for some weapons, chain weapons, and the FGS come to mind

[amber sail]

Ogryn go bonk

He ha

[little marten]

Same lol it’s just always worked for me as a capstone or whatever the purples are called

[sleek harness]

Zealots believe on the Emperor and Saltzpyre believes on Sigmar

As you can see

Theres a big difference between dead and not dead

[little marten]

But don’t take the node that helps the team just take the selfish nodes 😈

[main zephyr]

well actually neither of em are dead

[vocal hawk]

you must make crazy bank if you sell weed in the imperium

[main zephyr]

as sigmar is a god and big e isn't dead yet

[sleek harness]

Emperor is dead

Don't cope

[agile raven]

Yeah but Thanquol believed only in himself and he made it out just fine.
Hell he lived past The End Times.

[elder junco]

Depends on your definition of dead

[main zephyr]

it has not been canoically said he is dead

[agile raven]

Moral of the story, the Skaven are the best faction.

[main zephyr]

therefore he isn't yet

[vocal hawk]

the god emperor can’t die

he would never do that to me

he loves me too much

[elder junco]

If someone having a psychic conversation with his son is "dead" then yea pop off ig

[main zephyr]

hes stuck on the chair holding the warp project magnus basically ruined that gateway closed so a endless tide of demons doesn't invade terra

[sleek harness]

"He isn't dead because uh... I didn't saw him dead"

[coarse tree]

https://tenor.com/view/rsx4-gif-21328683

[agile raven]

Embed fail

[elder junco]

Joe Space is not dead, he just needs to pop his joints

[main zephyr]

the war in the webway

[agile raven]

Should've put your faith only in yourself.

[elder junco]

He'll be up in 5 more minutes

[agile raven]

And I guess also the Great Horned Rat.

[vocal hawk]

I should be the god emperor

[cedar fulcrum]

I am aware that maulers look different than others and I know exactly what they look like, what im saying is that when you have a ton of enemies in front of you its hard to see them in the mess of gray armor and body parts

[little marten]

They’re the dudes your eviscerator gets snagged on

[agile raven]

They are fairly loud.

[little marten]

Everything else is pulp

[agile raven]

I usually can hear a mauler before I see it because all I hear is a chain axe being revved.

[vocal hawk]

If I was god emperor I would get everyone else to chill out and we would all be friends 😊

[main zephyr]

i specfically listen for snipers and trappers

[agile raven]

I'd like to listen to plasma gunners if they made a singular fucking noise.

[main zephyr]

im more worried about trappers then them

[agile raven]

Trappers are loud as shit at least.
Snipers have a laser.

[vocal hawk]

horus: it’s time to have a heresy

[rocky radish]

I don’t need to. My sister’s dog takes them out, then she spends the next 20 seconds talking about how amazing her dog is. Every. Single. Time.

[sleek harness]

Try not calling the robot xenos "clanckers" and I will vote for you as next God

[agile raven]

I'll hear a trapper as it spawns and immediately snap around to kill it.

[vocal hawk]

what’s wrong with clanker

[sleek harness]

Clanker funny word

[green shoal]

I wonder if this qualifies as some sort of psychological trauma

[agile raven]

Probably, I hate those shits with a passion.

[vocal hawk]

I always hear people say that clanker is racist but that’s assuming robots are a race (which they aren’t)

[agile raven]

Not as much as a friend of mine but he seems to keep falling prey to them even when I say that there's one somewhere.

[rocky radish]

“The biologically impaired”

[vocal hawk]

actually if I was god emperor I’d do the exact same thing as the last guy except I would have aura

[sleek harness]

After 50 years...

[main zephyr]

lol the last time i played battlefront 2 they called my team clankers on the galatic mode where you capture and hold points and i took a good screenshot 99% to the clones 0%

[agile raven]

They aren't people.

I will use every slur I feel like against them.

[vocal hawk]

exactly

they were made to serve us and any rights they think they ever have are forfeit

[sleek harness]

Orks aren't also people if you think about it

T'aus too

[main zephyr]

orks are fungus

[languid hazel]

Sooo… what does that mean if I wished I was a robot?

[agile raven]

Yeah.

[main zephyr]

that is different

[agile raven]

They aren't people.

[sleek harness]

Die.

[agile raven]

Nor are Tyranids or Necrons.

[vocal hawk]

it means you wished you were a coppervein GPU brain tinskin clanker

[languid hazel]

-.-

[sleek harness]

But what if I say you aren't a person?

[agile raven]

I'll give you an address and a time and we'll fight it out.

[main zephyr]

necrons were orginally people so thats also different

[agile raven]

No they weren't.

Aliens aren't people.

[main zephyr]

they were before the war in heaven

[sleek harness]

But humans are aliens if you really think about it

[main zephyr]

exactly

[sleek harness]

We aren't people then?

[agile raven]

Wrong!

[vocal hawk]

“space racism” aliens aren’t a race they are abominations to whatever god you believe exists

[main zephyr]

to non humans we are aliens

goes both ways

[agile raven]

Okay but they're the aliens.

[green shoal]

My theory is that the word "race" just means "group". So, in theory, "the people in this Darktide Discord" are a "race" (because we're a group).

[sleek harness]

But we just said we humans arr aliens

[vocal hawk]

they’re in the wrong for existing though

[agile raven]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[languid hazel]

||Why am I completely unable to escape this dumb topic?||

[vocal hawk]

if they didn’t want me to shoot them why weren’t they born as humans instead

[main zephyr]

well the thing is nobody in 40k is actually the good guy all factions are equally bad

[agile raven]

That's a classic excuse.

[agile raven]

Humanity is right.

[vocal hawk]

the imperium is objectively correct on every topic because WE ARE HUMANS AND THEY ARE NOT

[agile raven]

End of story!

[main zephyr]

the imperium has a food source called corpse starch

enough said

[sleek harness]

Explain what makes someone human

[agile raven]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[vocal hawk]

maybe if those dirty xenos scum stopped ruining all the planets which make food we wouldn’t need it

[agile raven]

Made in the image of God.

[ocean widget]

whats the image of god

[agile raven]

Us.

[languid hazel]

Yeah… yeah I think I wanna disconnect from the internet forever now. That just… seriously killed my entire mood ngl

[sleek harness]

So you saying that non Christians are not humans?

[main zephyr]

the thing is bie e was against being labeled as a god

[green shoal]

Unfortunately, the Tau are good guys