general-chat

[spark plume]

Also makes you need gum or you grind your teeth to stumps

[jaunty path]

Addiction is a myth

it's all a lie spread by mass media

[tropic sorrel]

Skill issue tbh

[round mica]

Literally it's just meth but a different process halfway through to make

[jaunty path]

consume the slop as much as you please

[elder hare]

we just need better coping mechanisms

[spark plume]

It's an amphetamine but it's definitely not the same as meth. Maybe I just didn't have enough to become addicted though

[wanton talon]

Have you tried just like, being normal?

[jaunty path]

We need more drugs.

[jaunty path]

Tried. Had a mnetal break. Experienced ego death. Repeat.

Being normal? Whats normal.

[round mica]

Look up mdmas name

It has methamphetamine in the name bro

You took meth bro

[spark plume]

I need to start stimulants but my psychiatrist is going to monitor me weekly because stimulants can make people with bipolar disorder go manic or into psychosis

[tropic sorrel]

I think we should form a roving band of horse archers and subjgate the steppes under our iron fist instead of using drugs, but people say that is wrong

[wanton talon]

Skill issue I guess

[jaunty path]

No SHIT buddy

ADDERALL IS AMPHETAMINE AND DEXTROAMPHETAMINE

IT'S LITERALLY A NARCOTIC. IT'S LISTED ON THE BOTTLE

[round mica]

Amphetamine is different

[tropic sorrel]

Yeah that's why it's so good

[orchid skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/golden-retriever-tennis-ball-mediator-gif-11017604489080322262

[spark plume]

Tell me you never studied chemistry without telling me. You should drink methanol, it has ethanol in the name bro

[round mica]

But mdma and meth

[jaunty path]

I LOVE TAKING PRESCRIBED MEDICINE TO HELP WITH MY MENTAL DISORDER!

[wanton talon]

Legalize nuclear bombs

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-caps-lock-tom-jerry-caps-gif-3884606074932260234

[round mica]

To make it It's literally the process of making meth and then you do some steps differently

[frosty echo]

it hurts me more than it hurts you to say this but this is enough to make a molecule behave completely differently

[spark plume]

He doesn't know chemistry. He argued with me that Hawaii wasn't in the pacific ocean. It's not his fault

[tropic sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/medication-drugs-pills-cat-begging-gif-17531680131439585091

[spark plume]

Same as methanol and ethanol. Now go drink some methylated spirits

[round mica]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-cigarette-gif-24294903

[jaunty path]

wait he said "methamphetamine"

[frosty echo]

it hurts me because i have to do a bunch of organic chemistry right now

[tropic sorrel]

You just weren't being pacific enough

[jaunty path]

this ain't meth

[round mica]

I never said that your moving goal posts bro

[little marten]

Oh we’re talking about meth now?

Technically politics talk then hehe

[jaunty path]

Infact, I'm not really paying attention!

[tropic sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-cat-gif-25274494

[jaunty path]

I am a fan of breaking bad.

[spark plume]

Carbon dioxide is the same as carbon monoxide because both have carbon and oxide in the name bro, chemistry is simple

[frosty echo]

hell even THIS is a big difference

[wanton talon]

TRUE

[amber delta]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-jesse-i-have-jesse-i-have-become-south-america-globe-gif-25475716

[round mica]

But the molecule in mdma is very similar it just has an added compound

[frosty echo]

i have terrible news about organic chemistry

[wanton talon]

Carbon monoxide is completely safe, don't worry about inhaling it and it attaching to the hemoglobin in your erythrocytes

[tropic sorrel]

He can't keep getting away with it

[spark plume]

There are molecules that are harmless that with one added compound will kill you in 30 minutes

You do not understand chemistry

[jaunty path]

I love gas leaks

[tropic sorrel]

@spark plume l dopa r dopa it's Chem 101

[jaunty path]

What were we talking about again

[ocean widget]

wait gas 2 got leaked?

wtf

[jaunty path]

I love gas leaks

[spark plume]

I literally only did highschool chem and I know this shit

[tired inlet]

loosening your belt after dutch ovening your pants

[frosty echo]

MDMA has vicinal ortho-para directors that are meta to the origninal chain

[tropic sorrel]

I got a C- in Chem

[drowsy lynx]

MFS when they find out a healthy protein and a prion have the same chemical formula, just reverse folded

[final herald]

If this is a joke, it isn't funny.

[spark plume]

Prions are literally just protein bro

[round mica]

Guy actually argued about Hawaii not being in American waters

[elder hare]

prions are natures cheat codes

[tired inlet]

so if I eat the brains in reverse

[frosty echo]

MFS when you ask them to do a chair flip in their head

[drowsy lynx]

It's like making more brains!

[round mica]

And then went on too call me a bunch of offensive slurs

[jaunty path]

Should alaskans be considered american.

[spark plume]

No, you said it wasn't in the pacific ocean

[wanton talon]

It was indeed a joke, targetting me as well

[spark plume]

I have receipts

Don't change the story

[tropic sorrel]

Ive been having two scoops of prion powder with every meal for my bulk

[round mica]

I said it was in the NORTH pacific you donut

[frosty echo]

"is this 6 membered ring chair or boat?"
"haha its a good molecule sir"

its boat

[wanton talon]

How are those gains coming along? Looking swole and huge?

[tropic sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-dog-nerd-nerd-emoji-glasses-gif-9712427073917878441

[tropic sorrel]

My brain is full of holes

[elder hare]

weight reduction bro

[frosty echo]

with prion powder you really see the gains 20-30 years later on

[orchid skiff]

I get all my prions naturally

[ocean widget]

the more holes it has the faster it works

[spark plume]

The famous American ocean

[tired inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/lobotomy-operation-sucker-punch-gif-15488105

[tropic sorrel]

Gulf of America btw

[final herald]

prion powder (sleeper cell neurotic break formula)

[jaunty path]

More airflow, the better.

[tropic sorrel]

Remove the reply

[ocean widget]

its like guns

the more holes the better

[spark plume]

If you haven't, look into fatal familial insomnia

[tired inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-speedholes-krusty-gif-12940970263078135772

[elder hare]

air cooling

[frosty echo]

i still say speed holes

[amber delta]

my brain no holes or uggo wrinkles

[final herald]

oof

[frosty echo]

i had this episode on dvd like 20 years ago i think lol

[tired inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-kelly-charlie-iasip-charlie-day-excited-pumped-gif-15482439819993108147

[tired inlet]

Krusty's Klown Kollege is a hood classic

[frosty echo]

but yeah MDMA is super different from methamphetamine and the specific reason why is a 2 hour lecture on aromaticity and ring directors

[tropic sorrel]

Hit the right one with bronzer and enter a bodybuilding competition 🗣️

[wanton talon]

Some illnesses are just like why tf does this exist

[spark plume]

It has methamphetamine in the name though bro

[tropic sorrel]

Is it Tuesday yet

Or did Tuesday get delayed

[tired inlet]

brain's got what it takes to be in a finesse competition

[ocean widget]

you can tell they're different because they weigh different

[wanton talon]

Tuesday is patch day

[tired inlet]

it's lean and got that cut

[wanton talon]

I hope we get more slop on thursday

[tropic sorrel]

Good insertions, good frame, lot of potential there

[wanton talon]

I want slop cosmetics

[tired inlet]

gotta hit the gym and learn how to pose

[spark plume]

@frosty echo put sodium pentothal on your food, it has sodium in the name

[fiery wave]

I want my red trenchcoat to go red oni build.

[tired inlet]

FROSTED TRUTH FLAKES

[amber delta]

word is we are getting krieg arbitrators

[final herald]

I need my autism fix who here plays war thunder

[tropic sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-bodybuilder-mr-olympia-pecs-abs-gif-112294009521378406

[frosty echo]

i only trust cool chemicals like benzyl (2R,3E)-3-hydroxy-5-isopropoxy-mercaptohex-4-enoate

[tired inlet]

Ah, Ronny Coleman

[ocean widget]

we arent
they all died

[round mica]

fuck you hugh

[final herald]

who is "word"

[spark plume]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EA-3167

Read the effects section of this

[tropic sorrel]

If benzyl (2R,3E)-3-hydroxy-5-isopropoxy-mercaptohex-4-enoate don't got my back who does

[elder hare]

Red 40

[spark plume]

I beg everyone to read this. Most horrific drug ever created

[frosty echo]

no red 40 is disodium 6-hydroxy-5-((2-methoxy-5-methyl-4-sulfophenyl)azo)-2-naphthalenesulfonate

[drowsy lynx]

Me when I try to fold a paper crane and fuck it up

[wanton talon]

Insertions are cope

[spark plume]

Fuck it, I'll just copy paste

[frosty echo]

i can already tell this is no good by the nitrogenated bicyclic

[spark plume]

Incapacitating effects can last anywhere from 5-10 days, sometimes manifesting as a full 3-day peak of vivid hallucinations, along with prolonged confusion, amnesia, and inhibition of speech and cognition. Some subjects exposed to the drug would not fully recover for almost 20 days. Even six months after exposure, a few subjects demonstrated significant increases in the scores on the hypochondriasis, depression, hysteria, psychasthenia, schizophrenia, and mania scales. The drug's potency caught the attention of the military, which considered weaponizing EA-3167 for topical use, potentially even through a handshake. However, weaponization and further studies were eventually abandoned, possibly due to the extreme nature of its effects and the strain on available study resources caused by conducting human studies for extended periods.

[tired inlet]

It helped with Shin Godzilla

[tropic sorrel]

Ah, genelet counter-cope in the wild. Better luck on the next turn of samsara lmao

[frosty echo]

anticholinergics are a pretty fucked choice for a chemical weapon

like god just kill them

[final herald]

we should use it on

actually

[spark plume]

Chemical weapons are a pretty fucked choice*

[final herald]

lead is a chemical 👼

[tropic sorrel]

This is the kind of drug you'll read an erowid page where someone did this in a full house with their entire extended family for some reason and ended up spending 10 years institutionalized

[ocean widget]

lead is just a dangerous edible

[frosty echo]

yeah but you can kill someone or you can devastate their brain chemistry long term

[spark plume]

I'm a bit fried because I had Chinese lab chemical grade synthetic cannabinoids that I was told was salvia when I was 20

[frosty echo]

i dont even know how you name a split bicyclic where it splits over a tertiary amine

[spark plume]

I lost about 7 years of my life institutionalised and homeless

[frosty echo]

synthetic cannabinoids are spooky

[tired inlet]

is this still about JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

[final herald]

I like the idea that you can mistake it for "split bicycle"

[tropic sorrel]

The gas station checkout counter is the finest source of pharmaceuticals this is surprising

[spark plume]

If I were to describe the trip, I essentially had complete depersonalisation, derealisation and ego death. I lost every sense of who I was or any of my memories and was in a white void for what felt like a million years. After that, I started reliving all of the trauma throughout my life on repeat

[tired inlet]

you can get a lot of neat things from the 7-11s in Japan

[spark plume]

No it was imported lol

Like illegally

[tropic sorrel]

@tired inlet yeah in America all you can get is rhino pills and kratom

[fiery wave]

Humans are so karked. They even considered it...

[frosty echo]

we can be pretty confident that the naturally occuring cannabinoids are safe from extensive testing but those are complicated molecules and the idea of administering them to a human is pretty fuckin scary
i had a little bit of that on ket once

[tropic sorrel]

Chinese research chems, not even once kids

[frosty echo]

i tried gas station salvia when i was like 18 but didnt get high because my brain chemistry is a mystery

[spark plume]

It basically caused my bipolar 1. I'd never experienced psychosis before having it and have had 4 episodes in the 10 years since

[tropic sorrel]

Is Salvia still even a thing

There was a short period way back when it was everywhere

[tired inlet]

Are you trying to garden? I hear gardening on Salvia is neat; but the guy who did that had a pineapple head

https://tenor.com/view/big-money-salvia-erik-internet-comment-etiquette-gardening-with-salvia-salvia-gif-3476624986362227698

[frosty echo]

i think they tightened salvia laws

[tropic sorrel]

Every sketchy convenience store with a million cheap knives bongs and kratom used to have those 10x packets at the counter

[frosty echo]

it was literally like, be 18 and go to a gas station

[spark plume]

I don't doubt it. It's one potent drug

[tropic sorrel]

That shit was bad news

[final herald]

can't even have someone spit in my mouth without breaking the law this shit sucks

[drowsy lynx]

I tried salvia a while back and the entire group I tried it with agreed we'd never do it again. Unsettling experience for sure

[frosty echo]

at least salvia is a known quantity

[tropic sorrel]

Now we just have diet heroin juice, thank god

[frosty echo]

the trips are usually awful but thats like, understood about it

[little marten]

Salvia lol

[spark plume]

I'm very anti "legalise all drugs" because of my personal experience and seeing how much other drugs which are apparently harmless like weed have completely fucked up people's lives

[fiery wave]

@wild oasis Just saying, I'm not at the PC. I just realised I forgot to get off vox before going to cook.

[lament cave]

I think I see why you guys told me I wouldn't like Ogryn.

He's soooooo slow.

[tired inlet]

Big Money! Salvia Salvia. Big Money Salvia~~~

[lament cave]

Makes it really easy to get trapped in a corner.

[frosty echo]

ogryn feels way slower than it is too since its big

[little marten]

Never again.

[lament cave]

That too, yeah.

[frosty echo]

you can dodge through poxers though

[spark plume]

Yeah, not like lab chems lol

[tropic sorrel]

@frosty echo my buddy did it once and tripped he was connected to the moon by a golden umbilical cord because he was way into planescape and shit at the time

[lament cave]

Can you dodge through all enemies?

[tired inlet]

wider strides; so really isn't.

[spark plume]

Only human sized

[tropic sorrel]

Only positive experience I've ever heard

[lament cave]

He definitely feels slower.

[frosty echo]

i dunno what the list is but you can send smaller enemies flying its very funny

[lament cave]

Oh in that case, that's actually pretty cool. I should try to remember that.

[tired inlet]

constantly bullrush

always be bullrushing

[elder merlin]

Oh there you are

[frosty echo]

you dont dodge through the poxers so much as send them 30 feet in the direction you dodged

[lament cave]

As I'd hope you do. 😆

[final herald]

the oggy rework gives me hope for the vet rework

[frosty echo]

its a really powerful mechanic and is pretty key to ogryn not getting swamped if you're not running a mega horde melee

[lament cave]

Same. I hope they make the Veteran much more fun.

[frosty echo]

yeah vet needs a rework bad

[lament cave]

I hope it's not just "Hey, they're less squishy now".

[tropic sorrel]

Vet rework will come with hellgun trust the plan

[lament cave]

I want them to be more fun too.

[frosty echo]

and they should put optics on the helbores

[marsh iris]

melta gun

[frosty echo]

why do the marksmany rifles have shitty fat ironsights

[blissful kiln]

vet is already fun

[jaunty path]

food safety regulations are purely arbitrary

[final herald]

replace stealth vet with a hotshot volleygun (yes this is just outcast engineer)

[lament cave]

There are tons of guns in this game that feel like the ironsights are just decorative because they are pure dog-shit.

[jaunty path]

I ate steak I left on the floor for 5 days and I was just fine.

[tropic sorrel]

No one tell him about the sights

[lament cave]

I dunno, I like the concept of a stealth character. Maybe just make the stealth tree much more useful?

[frosty echo]

i think helbore ironsights are actively harmful to your aim lol

they're usually bigger than the target's head at much range

[final herald]

we have one that is even remotely useful

it's called zealot

[marsh iris]

i like the cathedral-esque sights on the lasgun

[lament cave]

I haven't used the Helbores yet so I don't know how bad they are.

[frosty echo]

the guns themselves are pretty decent now

[lament cave]

Fair but isn't Zealot up for a rework as well?

[final herald]

I would rather seperate the identity of zealot and vet farther

[tropic sorrel]

Fatshark should add gun customization but charge aquilas for the sights

[final herald]

ideally yes

[lament cave]

Don't give them any more (shitty) ideas.

[final herald]

but I don't want stealth vet

to exist

[elder merlin]

@lament cave

[frosty echo]

i mostly play helbore because they have bayonets and im based and verdunpilled

[lament cave]

Tali best girl.

[tropic sorrel]

Stealth ogryn when

[lament cave]

Stealth Ogryn would be fucking hilarious.

[marsh iris]

granted they stay invisible to teammates through the mission

[frosty echo]

catch me yelling TALLY HO before going over the top and disemboweling a heretic

[elder hare]

how else can we have our catachan class fantasy

[final herald]

replace smoke grenades with chem grenades that do the exact same thing but apply a speed debuff to enemies and some sort of buff to teamates

[tropic sorrel]

With a callidus bodysuit (ponytail included)

[elder hare]

that's what the ganger class is for

[frosty echo]

i think stealth, while i get the idea, has turned out to be an antipattern as far as how the game is meant to be played as a team

[blissful kiln]

Vet could just get a restructuring of the tree. No need to rework anything else.
That would be good

[elder hare]

but chems wouldnt work on nurgle enemies sadly

[final herald]

that would require you MFs to start actually using the catachan sword

however, use a plasma gun and shout

[lament cave]

A support Veteran could honestly be kind of cool.

[frosty echo]

vet needs less bridge nodes and some more cool nodes

[lament cave]

VoC already functions as a support.

[blissful kiln]

Vet is already support...

[frosty echo]

thats most of it

[lament cave]

Well, more Support focused.

[blissful kiln]

he has so many support talents already

[lament cave]

Fair.

Maybe they could give him some more DPS focus with the rework.

[blissful kiln]

let me count just for curiosity's sake

[frosty echo]

psyker tree also came out pretty good i imagine vet will be fine

[marsh iris]

vets? nah. veteranian

[final herald]

vet has 3 options rn
support
adhd yellowman clicker
and "I dumped the aggro of 14 crushers sorry good luck"

[elder merlin]

@lament cave

[lament cave]

ATF class Veteran, he does extra damage against dogs.

[frosty echo]

vet needs to be good at shooting again

[tropic sorrel]

Zealot should get a dog and received damage caps and a shotgun that can kill God in a 45 degree cone in front of them

[frosty echo]

"yeah we took off the free reload on exe stance because ogryn got it" THEY CAN BOTH HAVE IT

[final herald]

was that the reason

I thought that got removed way before

[frosty echo]

i dunno but it was about the same time

[molten matrix]

Remove it from ogryn😌

[frosty echo]

wasnt it both during the initial tree update

they added PBB and modified exe at the same time iirc

[sleek harness]

No

[tropic sorrel]

Ogryn having the reload stance and vet not having it is funny so it should stay

[sleek harness]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-scout-tf2-cool-meme-room-gif-5937742832738595863

[frosty echo]

dont get me wrong PBB needs the reload

[elder merlin]

My god eats rodents like yours

[frosty echo]

considering the reload characteristics on the traditional glugger guns

[lament cave]

What if they swapped one of the Veteran's abilities for a "CoD Minigun" style ability?

Belt-fed machine gun that just rips enemies apart for, like... ten seconds.

[final herald]

did you miss what I said earlier

you REPLIED to it

[blissful kiln]

Outcast Vetgineer

[final herald]

?????

[lament cave]

Maybe?

[sleek harness]

The Great Horned Rat swarms your god in numbers

[frosty echo]

i am by and large against any ability that encourages you to not move forward as you fight

[final herald]

do I operate in subconcious thought bro what

[elder merlin]

More food for Sotek then

[lament cave]

You forget one very important thing.

[final herald]

you can't read

[elder merlin]

Not like he doesnt have Lizardmen backing him also

[lament cave]

Not everyone is familiar with Warhammer.

I literally play this because I find it fun. I know nothing about Warhammer.

[final herald]

how did you just happen to come up with exactly what that is despite being unfamiliar

[sleek harness]

Are you talking about that one weakspot keystone from Veteran?

[frosty echo]

an ability that let you pull out a big gun and still move might work but at what point are you playing twin linked ogryn

[amber delta]

vet clearly lacks loner aura to complement his stealth ability

[sleek harness]

[lament cave]

Because I'm thinking of cool ideas for character abilities...?

That relate to shooting?

[final herald]

anyhow, hotshot volleyguns are what the enemy scab gunners have

[frosty echo]

in theory yeah but no one takes that who isnt good enough to keep it running on the move

[sleek harness]

I am starting to think you are an skinwalker of the Loner Hater

[lament cave]

Then yeah, give the Vet that as an ability.

[frosty echo]

(no one takes it at all really)

[lilac crag]

@final herald

[tropic sorrel]

@lament cave you need to learn more about warhammer so you can try and big dog people for not knowing who the chapter master of the mind goblins are

[lilac crag]

darktide

?

[final herald]

and outcast engineer is a class in VT that does basically exactly what I would want it to

[final herald]

sure

[lilac crag]

@rocky moat tide with mobi?

[sleek harness]

You can move for like 5 seconds without losing any stack after killing anything on a weakspot

[lament cave]

I'd rather not have another thing with super complicated lore I have to keep up with... I already play Warframe...

[final herald]

ahem

WHAT IS A MIND GOBLIN

[frosty echo]

the vet left keystone is really weird from a design standpoint

its... confused?

[tropic sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/got-em-yes-meme-deez-nuts-laughing-gif-17141008

[ocean widget]

Its shit

[amber delta]

that keystone needs a complete overhaul it has no place in a game like darktide

[lament cave]

You know what? They could merge the "stealth" and "sniper" trees together. Those two feel like they go hand-in-hand.

[final herald]

yeah but what is it

[sleek harness]

If you take to account the art of the left side of the tree, we can agree that it is meant to be used with a minigun

[rocky moat]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sleek harness]

Weakspot minigun

[rocky moat]

i dont really have much energy i think

[tropic sorrel]

@final herald I don't know

[final herald]

lame

[lilac crag]

all good, this chump will have to do

[final herald]

DAMN

[frosty echo]

the keystone shouldnt punish you for moving it should just punish you for not performing

[ocean widget]

Which only an ogryn would use due to their strength

[frosty echo]

instead of exempting you from the movement punishments if you perform

[sleek harness]

Didn't you read what I just said

[lilac crag]

let's schmove, mobi

[final herald]

whar

[fiery wave]

Sniper with stabby...

[frosty echo]

yeah but it doesnt make any sense

[lilac crag]

ignore that statement

it is beyond silly

[final herald]

"that only ogryns would use"

[frosty echo]

what does "its clearly meant for a minigun" even mean

[sleek harness]

You can run for 5 seconds without losing stack

[frosty echo]

we have rapid ROF guns lol

[lament cave]

Yee, for the people who like to be tricksy little hobbitses.

[sleek harness]

Art

[lament cave]

(Maybe give us some sniper-y cosmetics for the Veteran too just for fun.)

[frosty echo]

i think the intent is that you have an infantry lasgun and are popping at least 1 head per 5 seconds as you go

[sleek harness]

Clearly Fatshark intended that part of the tree for miniguns, not sniper rifles

[frosty echo]

it seems like a DMR type talent

[tropic sorrel]

WOW mini gun? That's OBVIOUSLY a MK 7 Munitorim Hades class medium stubber, what kind of FOOL would mistake such an iconic gun for anything else?

[final herald]

fatshark forgot to give us guns with backpack slots for whatever fucking reason

[elder hare]

to sell backpack cosmetics

[next iris]

they're all trash tho

[final herald]

how about they sell me a good vet class (stfu person writing "arbites")

[tropic sorrel]

You're approaching territory you don't want to enter

[frosty echo]

the blessed rotary stubber powered by the motive force and cooled with sacred unguents

[sleek harness]

Anything that shoots fast is a minigun, prove me wrong

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/i-live-here-this-is-my-house-my-home-my-land-this-is-where-i-live-gif-15789642

[sleek harness]

[frosty echo]

i love that the minigun got named that because its mini compared to the OTHER guns in its line

[lilac crag]

@final herald LETS GO GAMING

[final herald]

I have learned that people who aren't wise tend to call any heavy fast shooting gun a "minigun" so I agree

[molten matrix]

I guess the auto 9 is now a minigun

[lament cave]

I had another idea.

Veteran ability where they snap onto enemies in their view for a bit.

[sleek harness]

Exactly

[frosty echo]

a minigun is any rotary gun smaller than the m61 20mm vulcan

[sleek harness]

Minigun means mini bullets with means fast shooting of mini bullets on gun

[tropic sorrel]

I just checked every single firearm manual written since the first crude hand canon up to classified experimental caseless munition space guns, and I can't prove this wrong

[lament cave]

Well, there are also microguns which are 5.56 "miniguns".

[next iris]

https://tenor.com/view/idiotic-happy-gilmore-billy-madison-gif-19002015

[frosty echo]

still miniguns

i mean minigun is a trade name

[lament cave]

In terms of the category of function, yeah, I guess you're correct.

[tropic sorrel]

Every skaven gun is a mini gun (they're all manlet sized)

[sleek harness]

Why is your gif a slideshow

[frosty echo]

technically its not a minigun unless its a general electric m134 rotary machine gun

[next iris]

works fine here

[tropic sorrel]

Just discords excellent software at work

[lament cave]

But yeah, the Veteran having an "aimbot" ability could be interesting if we're trying to have them be more gun focused.

[sleek harness]

I cannot understand videos at 1 frame per second

Your agurment is wrong

[frosty echo]

i feel like aimbot capability has the issue that the class is for people who WANT to aim and shoot

[lament cave]

Possibly. It's just an idea though.

[tropic sorrel]

Aimbot is a bad idea

[frosty echo]

i could see them having given arbites like a robocop aimbot instead of castigator stance or something but i dont think it fits the veteran pattern

[molten matrix]

Aimbot wouldnt work in darktide at all

[frosty echo]

in general i agree with necessity though we all remember launch assail right

[molten matrix]

You need to be able to freely pick targets

[sleek harness]

Why add aimbot? Why don't you use aimperson

[frosty echo]

absolute mess of a patch that was

[sleek harness]

[tropic sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-nicholascage-bees-bite-gif-4944634

[lament cave]

The initial thing I said was that it snaps onto targets that are in your view. Once the target you're shooting at dies, it snaps to another.

[jaunty path]

Things I want to say to my father

[frosty echo]

i think the only cool way to do an aimbot thing would to have it be like the mcree ult from overwatch or something

[elder hare]

Ah the automatic versus manual debate

[tropic sorrel]

@frosty echo best middle ground

[frosty echo]

you like mouseover tag some enemies then blast em

[jaunty path]

Focusing on dipshit hordes

[next iris]

facts

[lament cave]

That'd work, yeah.

[sleek harness]

Automatons are robots, robots are banned from the Empire of Mankind

No aimbot

[tropic sorrel]

Erm, ACKchually no

[frosty echo]

what if its an aim machine spirit though

you ever think of that

[next iris]

lmaooooo

[sleek harness]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-heavy-tf2-heavy-team-fortress-2-heavy-team-fortress-two-thinking-gif-13167291159341927470

Genius person

[molten matrix]

Now think about this situation

[tropic sorrel]

Abominable intelligence is banned, and if the mechanicus wants to use it it's not abominable intelligence 🤓

[next iris]

automata are literally a mechanicus thing in 40k 💀

[elder hare]

tell that to the dark angels

[frosty echo]

yeah in 40k speak automata are like puppet-type robots

[next iris]

you can get one for a 100$ https://www.warhammer.com/en-WW/shop/Mechanicum-Domitar-Battle-automata

[tropic sorrel]

@elder hare the traitor legion? They aren't my problem

[frosty echo]

oh no im misremembering it is the combat robots from the heresy era

they're not puppeted but they're not exactly autonomous either

[rose pine]

Posture + water + touch grass check

[molten matrix]

You want to shoot a bomber just throwing a grenade at the team you cant shoot it because the auto aim locks onto the crusher infront of you causing the bomber to throw the nade into the elevator and because the crusher didnt stagger it overheads your teammate alongside spawning a specialist horde causing you to wipe

[lament cave]

Fuck it, Darktide should just go down CoD's path. Put Beavis and Butthead in Darktide. /j

[frosty echo]

im actually busy experiencing mental anguish i cant touch grass rn

[fiery wave]

Naw. Seen some at play. It aims only at elites and specials.

[frosty echo]

NICKI
MINAJ
ON
ATOMA

[sleek harness]

I forgot why we even started arguing, was it because of the minigun?

[lament cave]

Hell yeah.

[rose pine]

I want a gatling gun for ogryns

[elder hare]

what about a ratling gun

[lament cave]

To be fair, I think the Ogryn would literally be the only character who could wield one.

[rose pine]

Those are for runts

[fiery wave]

And very specific elites even.

[frosty echo]

an unassisted human cannot carry and fire a minigun, no. any videos showing it are staged with blanks usually

[rose pine]

I was made because the lil uns couldn't carry em

[lament cave]

Or shoot them. 😛

[sleek harness]

Why Zealot wielding Thor's Hammer is okay but Veteran wielding a light machine gun is not okay?

[frosty echo]

a minigun is NOT a light machine gun

[lament cave]

Exactly.

[sleek harness]

Light machine guns shoots mini bullets

[frosty echo]

a minigun is mini compared to its siblings which are aircraft and vehicle weapons

[sleek harness]

Literally a minigun

[lament cave]

A minigun is a "fixed gun emplacement" type of thing.

[frosty echo]

i should clarify, a General Electric Minigun Rotary Machine Gun (TM)

[lament cave]

On a tripod mount, mounted to a solid bit of floor so it can't move.

[sleek harness]

I did said light machine gun

[lament cave]

You said miniguns are light machine guns which is wrong.

[sleek harness]

Proof

[molten matrix]

Only sargeant harken can fire a heavy bolter as a human

[frosty echo]

apparently GM managed to make an ultralight model which is only 41 pounds

[molten matrix]

Handheld

[frosty echo]

doesnt harken have augmentics

[molten matrix]

Heavy stubber could work but has to be as slow as bolter

[frosty echo]

his nickname is like ironarms or some shit right

[molten matrix]

Stonetooth

[sleek harness]

What about minigun

[molten matrix]

Straken is iron arms

[frosty echo]

on its face a minigun is a crew served weapon to start with

[frosty echo]

you can burn the largest belt of ammo in 50 seconds

[sleek harness]

You are using different wikis

Not fair

[lament cave]

Who fucking cares?

[round gulch]

A minigun cannot reasonably be carried and operated by a single person on a battlefield

[lament cave]

😆

[round gulch]

Therefore it cannot be an LMG

[spark plume]

Colourised footage of a World Eater when the butchers nails activate

https://youtu.be/27zx1ZV7nHQ?si=0knFE_PZefc1G1Zi

[frosty echo]

• ammo + a battery

[lament cave]

Yeah, Jesus, you're not carrying that around.

[sleek harness]

I won't be able to comprehend your agurment

[lament cave]

That's just the gun itself.

[sleek harness]

Minigun is still light machine gun

[lament cave]

Incorrect.

[molten matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-head-scratch-hm-hmm-gif-9190273016569542229

[somber stream]

Master baiter

[hard gorge]

the imperium lost the technology of spinning things, so thats why we have millions of people load navy guns via big pulleys

[frosty echo]

this is a bit stop engaging lol

[lament cave]

And now you're just shit-posting.

[spark plume]

Light machine-guns are specifically man portable

[lament cave]

I know, hence why I said that last bit.

[spark plume]

Uh, assault cannons?

[sleek harness]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-scout-tf2-cool-meme-room-gif-5937742832738595863

[round gulch]

A minigun cannot reasonably be carried and used by a single person, and is therefore not an LMG

[sleek harness]

(They didn't understand my name yet)

[round gulch]

Rat

Rat creature

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-terminator-thats-me-suits-you-thats-totally-you-gif-19225202

[somber stream]

https://tenor.com/view/the-deep-deep-thoughts-deep-thoughts-with-the-deep-the-boys-gif-26372785

[frosty echo]

an ogryn could MAYBE use a minigun? they're not uh, ogrynproofed like ogryn guns though

[sleek harness]

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-cheiften-skaven-cheiften-guitar-rat-gif-24492026

[hard gorge]

what if it doesnt spin and the termie has to manually rotate the barrels

[wanton talon]

I can fire and carry a minigun, trust me

[spark plume]

Okay, now how does a dreadnought do it

[final herald]

there are man portable rotary stubbers in 40k

[wanton talon]

I am sane and can be trusted with miniguns

[hard gorge]

servitor

[spark plume]

Heavy stubbers ueah

[frosty echo]

but like 80 pounds of gun 25 pounds of battery maybe 200 pounds of ammo

at least its air cooled

anything heavier you start having to carry a cooling system too lol

[final herald]

but, I want a fucking hotshot volley gun

cause they can do more with the mechanics

[spark plume]

Imagine how useless a meltagun would be on tertium

[frosty echo]

the crushers though...

[wanton talon]

Would be good to melt crushas

[final herald]

bait...

[spark plume]

Literally one enemy

[hard gorge]

you kill 3 poxwalkers then reload for 5 minutes

[wanton talon]

Literally a very dangerous enemy

[spark plume]

And you're still using an anti-tank weapon for heavy infantry

[elder hare]

Or any elites

[sleek harness]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-is-dead-spy-engineer-correct-right-gif-26313261

[somber stream]

Uh

[frosty echo]

my right as an american

[tropic sorrel]

I can only see how useful it would be

[somber stream]

Melta go through stuff, a lot of stuff

[wanton talon]

Also it should melt bulwark shields

[sleek harness]

Thoses fools were trying to convince me no man can handle a light machine gun

[round gulch]

Plasma already ignores them

[spark plume]

Not based off any uses of it I've read in novels

[hard gorge]

I want every class to have fists as a melee, with pyskers being a pimp slap to ogryns have a massive haymaker

[somber stream]

Try Cain.

[frosty echo]

mods put this creature in chastity

[spark plume]

[wanton talon]

Does it do that again now?

[round gulch]

Ogryns already have that

[tropic sorrel]

Black Library doesn't count when it's time to actually play warhammer

[round gulch]

Yes

[tropic sorrel]

In any form

[sleek harness]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-this-guy-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-3966857531535969686

[spark plume]

The worst part about 40k novels is different authors writing weapons to be different

[frosty echo]

to be clear meltas are like 8 things

[spark plume]

Well it doesn't in the tabletop either

[frosty echo]

or more

[wanton talon]

I want a psyker build that focuses on the psyker empowering themselves physically to do insane shit

[spark plume]

A meltagun is a specific weapon

[elder hare]

like biomancy?

[wanton talon]

Aye like living steel

[blissful kiln]

Scrier's Gays

[frosty echo]

theres a few descriptions of meltaguns that vary in things like focus

[wanton talon]

(Turns your skin to steel)

[sleek harness]

2028 Veteran gets a update, where he gets a fists melee

[frosty echo]

and melta charges im pretty sure are shaped charges

[tropic sorrel]

That's what I mean, spend a few command points and toss a few abilities out and suddenly some random gribblies are ready to bring peace to the galaxy

[round gulch]

It does about 300 less damage when going through shields (fully charged, 10% heat), but that's 300 less than 2500

[spark plume]

Some titans also have melta weapons

[frosty echo]

yeah

meltas are one of the more... how do i put it... they're one of the results-oriented namings for GW

[spark plume]

Titan auspex is so strong that it makes your bones rattle, your lungs shake and your eyes vibrate

Whale sonar on steroids

[frosty echo]

authors kinda write whatever as long as the melta meltas stuff its fine

[wanton talon]

Does that mean titan auspex can improve bone density?

[frosty echo]

auspex is another one of those lol

[round gulch]

Since when was plasma gun doing all that??

[frosty echo]

its just like... any kind of sensor package?

[spark plume]

I have no idea

[round gulch]

Mauler face

[tropic sorrel]

The tricoder-ah wait I mean auspex

[wanton talon]

Hmm, must be researched

[spark plume]

Basically handwavium

[frosty echo]

people definitely use optical auspexes without an audible component

[spark plume]

It's probably just shorthand for "detection device"

[frosty echo]

i think they just wanted a reason to make titans yell

[spark plume]

They do that with their war horns anyway

[tropic sorrel]

Rule of cool is the most important rule

[wanton talon]

Authors writing how space marines are faster than the human eye can track despite that being complete nonsense

[frosty echo]

but yeah theres a number of things in 40k that are just named for what they do and not really any other characteristics

grain alcohol is amasec

[tropic sorrel]

@wanton talon 6" move just like a guardsman. Curious

[spark plume]

Human eyes can only see 30fps and the space marines are moving at 60hz, simple

[frosty echo]

thing you smoke thats not a narcotic is lho and if it is a narcotic its obscura

[final herald]

now that I'm out of this match and can type:
there have been meltas used in books against human targets for a while

and if it fucntions anything like the one in SM2 it'd be a huge short range shotgun

[spark plume]

Except amasec is also sometimes fortified wine, and lho is definitely a narcotic because Eisenhorn and Nayl inject themselves with anti-intoxicants after smoking some undercover

[spark plume]

It's a focused beam, sm2 is a very inaccurate depiction of typical melta

[frosty echo]

Yeah that's part of the problem lol the sm2 melta doesn't make any sense as an AT weapon

[wanton talon]

Ah yes that makes sense

[round gulch]

Since when could plasma gun actually (visibly) damage armor?

[tropic sorrel]

Gameplay considerations come first

[round gulch]

I do not remember that being a thing

[sudden wagon]

dude vet is so shit

3 hits and i die

[spark plume]

Yes and Like is using gameplay mechanics for lore which is ass backwards

[sudden wagon]

i have two 20%+ toughness curios

[frosty echo]

Lho is sometimes weed but its never like, opium is what i mean

[spark plume]

Oh yeah I get you now

[tropic sorrel]

But the version of melta that makes sense is the one in rogue trader, you can use it as a wide blast or focused beam

I like that one

[spark plume]

Also a gameplay mechanism

[round gulch]

What loadout?

[orchid skiff]

barehanded

[round gulch]

Weapons and ability

[sudden wagon]

you mean guns n stuff?

[spark plume]

Meltaguns have always been dedicated anti armour in the lore

[round gulch]

Yeah

[spark plume]

There is zero point for a wide blast version

[round gulch]

I have no issue with vet

[sudden wagon]

Helbore, sapper, executioner

[frosty echo]

Gimme some of them 20% toughness curios

[fiery wave]

Just don't get hit multiple times in a row. Vet isn't like Arby. Play like a psyker.

[sudden wagon]

Psyker is a lot easier to not get hit because the weapons work

[fiery wave]

Use shovel to push and stagger.

[frosty echo]

Vet has like twice the base toughness still iirc

And voc and plasma gun

[sudden wagon]

im picking up the plasma

[spark plume]

I've literally never used the plasma gun and vet is my 3rd most played class

[frosty echo]

Plasma is unfortunately the best pistol in the game

[round gulch]

Try putting hammerblow and skullcrusher on the shovel, hit an elite to stagger them and then shoot them in the face with the hellbore if you want to run that loadout

Hellbore is a bit cooked atm

[sudden wagon]

Its definitly a rifle

[fiery wave]

I tried it. Missed my instant bistol snipe already.

[somber stream]

From the Lexicanum:
"Melta Weapons are potent weapons which work either by sub-atomic agitation of the target causing it to cook or otherwise melt, or by creating a small scale fusion reaction (using a Pyrum/Promethium fuel mix for some imperial weapons), which is projected as a blast which can burn through almost anything, with greater effect the closer to the target."

Blast = big boom

Big boom = many target

[frosty echo]

Again melta is really more what the gun does than a specific technology

[spark plume]

Citing lexicanum instead of primary sources is an unforgivable sin because it and the wikia are wrong more than half the time.

[round gulch]

Plasma gun is beautiful

And it makes heretics beautiful (dead)

[spark plume]

I have read every single codex and rulebook since 3rd edition, meltaguns project a beam.

[somber stream]

Imperial Munitorum Manual, page 73

[sudden wagon]

What does rending do

[somber stream]

Need me get the pdf as well?

[spark plume]

Armour penetrative

[spark plume]

Want me to pull out my old codices?

[somber stream]

I literally just cited the source

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[spark plume]

I think this is correct though

[elder hare]

lets get some fact checks

[agile raven]

[agile raven]

I'll watch.

[long sigil]

is look tide style?

[somber stream]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[spark plume]

Meltaguns are the infantry held variety and fire a beam @somber stream

[tawny grail]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/effects
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/modifiers

[spark plume]

Multimeltas would probably be a blas

[final herald]

Are you thinking of Vulkite weapons? Metlas haven't been "focused beams" (akin to lasers, that is) for a while, even the one in rogue trader is more like a burst of heat rather than a beam.

Like it or not, GW is pushing the melta towards what you see in SM2 and boltgun.

[spark plume]

I am talking specifically about meltaguns

[long sigil]

melta?

hope it add

[spark plume]

No, unless this is a retcon literally in this edition

[long sigil]

but fat shark will no

[somber stream]

@haughty birch .

[spark plume]

I stand corrected

[sleek harness]

@elder merlin Darktide

It's been 300 years

[final herald]

I'm gonna start throwing it back now.

[spark plume]

Every single mention of meltaguns in codices is more akin to the Mars pattern

[final herald]

it's kind of like the situation with the plasma

the way it is ingame isn't "correct" according to most literature

[somber stream]

If this isn't handheld variant for infantry use, idk what is tbh

Must be spess mahren

[spark plume]

I stand corrected

I said that already

[somber stream]

[tropic sorrel]

Plasma either kills marines outright or of you're a main character or bad guy who is supposed to be be scary it just damages your armor

[jaunty path]

So like does the Nurgle version of the plasma gun shoot glowing liquid shit or no.

[elder hare]

it shoots conc baja blast

[jaunty path]

Same thing.

[agile raven]

Both are caustic in the end.

[spark plume]

https://tenor.com/view/apex-gif-18625792

Caustic mention

[agile raven]

[somber stream]

So basically yes, melta can make a blast, effecting multiple target

Not just a singular target

[final herald]

I mostly mean the lack of explosion
There's not enough "sun" with my "sun gun" in darktide

[long sigil]

so update is on?

what is new

[ocean widget]

nothing

updates tomrrow

[long sigil]

fuck

[spark plume]

This is literally every weapon

[long sigil]

i am make some vt2 like combat

[spark plume]

40k has more plot armour than any other setting

[jaunty path]

when does 40k get good

[thick coyote]

Tldr
More damage against Flak, Maniacs, Unyielding and Carapace

[long sigil]

i will make valheim good ver

[spark plume]

One marine in the HH series got killed by a tribesman with a spear who hit a lucky shot, meanwhile Khârn gets impaled on a land raider and survives just fine

[long sigil]

this stupid fuck blocked me give me some damn flame metal polearm

i will make my own valheim

[wanton talon]

Tbf said marine had his throat ripped out by the spear

[spark plume]

Maloghurst literally survived a ship exploding. A ship he was in.

[elder hare]

i will never take HH books seriously after a custodes got his spine punched out by a grunt

[jaunty path]

I think its to emphasize the fact that shit happens, lmao.

[spark plume]

wat

Okay plot armour is one thing but wtf are you talking about

[long sigil]

40k balance is strange

[wanton talon]

Not exactly survivable when you can't breathe and blood doesn't flow to your brain anymore

[long sigil]

few space marine is strong

but many space marine get weak

[spark plume]

Do you mean one of the gal vorbak killing a custodes?

[wanton talon]

Were they wearing power armour?

[spark plume]

Because idk wtf you're talking about a grunt punching a custodes spine out lol

[spark plume]

It isn't specified but he was going as an emissary for talks with the local human king

[elder hare]

The Outcast Dead has a World Eater punching through a Custode's chest, armor and all, and killing him instantly

[wanton talon]

Custodes are lame anyway

[spark plume]

This isn't impossible though. World Eaters are empowered by Khorne. Khârn literally cuts a tank in half with a chainaxe in one of the Siege of Terra books and that convinces an Iron Warrior to worship Khorne to gain the same strength

[blissful kiln]

DoW1 marines vs DoW2 marines in a nutshell

[ocean widget]

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-en-sacrement-regard-de-feu-gif-15231722216266444049

[jaunty path]

40k is p mid if u tihnk about it

like it doens't even have family guy

[elder hare]

lucky

[somber stream]

Watch as they add a literal clown to BF6, at 3rd or 4th battlepass

[stuck wasp]

Meltagun work in both beam and blast...

Meltagun are a broad tech category

[somber stream]

He said he stands corrected, twice

[stuck wasp]

Oh

[somber stream]

Thrice even, leave it be

[stuck wasp]

Anyway we should get 2 Meltagun family 😔

[spark plume]

Who wants a book spoiler?

[somber stream]

I'm just waiting for my hellgun

It's literally in the game

[stuck wasp]

Yes, for the enemy

[somber stream]

[elder hare]

lmao we loot the bodies of our allies but dont loot the enemy bodies? make it make sense

[fair bridge]

i got to play the new patch early and they fucking removed shotgunners!!

[somber stream]

Heretical weapons yada yada

[fiery wave]

Tainted.

Glows green.

[stuck wasp]

Using weapons from Chaos servants is an ill idea

[elder hare]

i mean we work for the people who have historically used daemonhosts

cant get more heretical than that

[stuck wasp]

Not all Inquisitor do

[wanton talon]

Monkey's paw, all shotgunners replaced with reapers

[somber stream]

Lex for thee, not for me

[elder hare]

No, but they do

[stuck wasp]

And those that do usually get declared heretical sooner than later

[lapis spear]

Best I can do is another pump action shotgun. Magazines are heretical as we all know

[spark plume]

How do I spoiler tag a message on mobile?

[stuck wasp]

||

On either side

[spark plume]

Constantine Valdor is ||amassing an army of pariah clones and mutated winged blood angels in extimate space and trying to find out the Emperor's true name to... well nobody knows.||

[somber stream]

Such generosity? Best they can do is a another shovel variant

[final herald]

Valdor doing weird shit better actually mean cool new faction

[elder hare]

Plus we use moebian steel, that's just a few steps back from moebian guns. maybe a strawman argument but it is what it is. plus we have witch fingers as trinkets, that's gotta count for something

[stuck wasp]

||mutated winged blood angels||
Not necessarily ||Blood Angels|| though

[spark plume]

Read Eisenhorn trilogy, Ravenor trilogy and then the Bequin series

[somber stream]

Not all Moebian is corrupted

Only the 6th and its victims

[fiery wave]

That's just any psyker...

[spark plume]

They're winged and have the red thirst

[stuck wasp]

Moebian Steel isn't heretical, but if the Heretic start using it and we reclaim it then it is heretical

[jaunty path]

Question

isn't being eaten by a beast of nurgle grounds for execution

[stuck wasp]

Lorewise yes

[somber stream]

[spark plume]

Gameplay mechanics. Don't explain it. You wouldn't survive

[fiery wave]

Gameplay and lore segregation.

[stuck wasp]

Well it's not survivable, so no execution per se

[spark plume]

You would disintegrate into goo the moment it touched you

[elder hare]

Yes but by all logic, we have the materials and the methods to use them. Sure, fine, no looting dead enemy bodies and letting them get their supplies back to shoot our allies, I'll accept, but why not give us hellguns

[jaunty path]

I don't think you really need lore to understand that you wouldn't want to come back after being spat out of nurgles pet

[somber stream]

That, my friend. Is Fatshark™

[tropic sorrel]

||To stroke Dan Abnett's ego||

[spark plume]

No, you would die the moment you got within 5 feet of it

[final herald]

no no I'm saying I want it to translate to tabletop and content

is what I mean

[stuck wasp]

Cause they're basically "Lasgun but better"
And not really introducing anything.
And if you want the backpack ones, then you have the backpack cosmetic slot that is an issue

[spark plume]

I know, but you should read the books if you haven't

[final herald]

I want to see the army of cool winged MFs

[fiery wave]

Be thankful you came out the front end.

[final herald]

I do need to put time aside to actually listen to the audiobooks

[jaunty path]

[elder hare]

I accept Lasgun but better, like all the variants of the existing lasguns, but there do exist hellguns with no backpacks

[tropic sorrel]

40k books are perfect "audiobook while I do something else" material. You never run out of them and you rarely are missing anything if you don't pay full attention

[somber stream]

This is like saying the LMG is just a rifle but shoot faster

[long sigil]

huh

[stuck wasp]

Which are "Lasgun but better"

[spark plume]

I listen to them on a timer when I go to bed every night

I used to read paper but I can't focus any more

[final herald]

I mean sure but they could do interesting things with them

many people have pointed to psyker staff charge mechanics for how they could work

[wanton talon]

Heresies to fall asleep to

[stuck wasp]

Except that's more different, like saying a Hotshot Volleygun is more different from a Hotshot Lasgun, than a Hotshot Lasgun is to a Lasgun...

[spark plume]

It's pretty soothing for some reason

[tropic sorrel]

You can only read about two marines dueling in the sparring cages so many times before you start to zone out

[wanton talon]

When do we get a fireball staff

[long sigil]

buf Ilasgun

[wanton talon]

I want a fireball staff for psyker

[spark plume]

Don't listen to the night lords trilogy when going to bed rhoufh

[wooden creek]

And you also get to hear Toby Longworth (our bodyguard ogryn) in a lot of them, he's done like 100+

[spark plume]

No, I mean any books. Also inquisition books don't have that shit

[jaunty path]

Is it true in 40k lore you get to make love to bbw orks

[tropic sorrel]

My GOAT

[round mica]

shit in one hand and wish in the other, see which happens faster

[thick fog]

@round mica Akimbo for Heavy is so dopamine wtf

[wanton talon]

How uncouth

[round mica]

the akimbo deagles are floated

[stuck wasp]

I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen, simply cause there isn't really any precedence on one

[somber stream]

The Hellgun can shoot faster, hit harder, and if it's game mechanic-wise, suppress more targets. Just like what a LMG is for. Can't do that with the Kantrael

[wanton talon]

There's no precedence for chucking warpfire in a ball?

[elder hare]

the problem is we have 3 different kinds of lasgun rifles and not one hotshot or hellgun, all with distinct playstyles around the las weapon family

[tropic sorrel]

@spark plume read Book of the New Sun, don't look up spoilers or anything at all about the plot just trust when I say it is an insane post-modern rollercoaster that demands your attention

[spark plume]

post-modern
Ehhhhh

[elder hare]

we can close the circle with a hellgun, give LMG to vets, and call it a day

[spark plume]

If you mean postmodernism

Then ehhhh

[thick coyote]

That sounds like Blazing Spirit VoidSTRIKE 💀

[tropic sorrel]

Post modern only in the sense it is unconventional in its structure and even saying that is kind of a spoiler

[stuck wasp]

Not really like how it exist in VT2/Battle Fantasy, it's more about shooting thing in a straight line than lobbing stuff

[somber stream]

I'd even settle for a heavy stubber at this point

[elder hare]

Not attacking you @stuck wasp btw it just seems like a small addon to a game that could be better for class(es) that would only be better in the addition

[tropic sorrel]

Tobias Wolfe loved unreliable narrators and playing with the idea that you're picking up a text and interacting with the story as a reader

[stuck wasp]

Hotshot = Hellgun (Hellgun isn't used anymore).
Honestly the only reason I would see the Hotshot be introduced would be if it was a new ability would be for the Vet to get a new ability

[wanton talon]

Nah I want a ball with light cleave that explodes and applies soulblaze to everything around it

[spark plume]

That sounds interesting

[wanton talon]

Hmm

[tropic sorrel]

Everything he wrote is something someone in the universe wrote down with all of the limitations that come with that

[long sigil]

if i complete this game dev will u guys play it?

[lapis dove]

plague terminators in darktide

[elder merlin]

Busy

[somber stream]

Did you watch that one vid

[final herald]

tbf in darktide smite isn't even really close to correct

[elder merlin]

But lightning hands

[elder hare]

they mixed the names lmao

[tropic sorrel]

Book of the New Sun is framed as a translation of a text from it's own world by someone from ours

[long sigil]

it not look good huh

[lapis dove]

ehhh
no
idk if I should believe it or not

[stuck wasp]

Iirc there is something like that but electrical in lore

[long sigil]

i have to many thing to do

[final herald]

smite on tabletop basically blows up a squad

[wanton talon]

Assail in lore throws actual objects as well, not psychic shards

[long sigil]

shit

[spark plume]

I defs wanna check that out

[round mica]

this game looks incredibly unfinished and unpolished, sorry but no buddy

[stuck wasp]

FS has said no SM in Darktide, so no

[final herald]

the humble voidstrike with the flame crit blessing:

[elder hare]

they said a lot, tbf-- hard to take them at their word

[long sigil]

yeah i know

but

i will make this better

[final herald]

No. No marines.

[stuck wasp]

Assail we have is probably meant to be Spiteshard (which isn't really a techniques that the Imperium allow)

[wanton talon]

Nah I want soulblaze all the time, not just on crit

[final herald]

Ever.

[long sigil]

see it how it go

[wanton talon]

Plus fire voidstrike sucks

[final herald]

This is a non marines game. Stop wanting marines.

[final herald]

unfortunately

[long sigil]

buff psker staffs

[lapis dove]

good
plague ogryns and beasts of nurgle are enough

[tropic sorrel]

@spark plume he's one of the best sci fi/fantasy writers that doesn't get credit. Many many awards, many huge sci fi/fantasy guys call him the GOAT

[elder hare]

maybe not as a playable class, but with the current powerscale it wouldn't surprise me if we ended up fighting something in the transhuman range

[round mica]

the humble ogryn wearing ceramite armour:

[final herald]

"Hey guys you know this game explicitly lacking in marines?"

"What if we put marines in it!!!!!!!!"

[stuck wasp]

Nah, we still need more stuff to be added, but no SM stuff cause it's overused

[wanton talon]

I don't want playable marines

[final herald]

well I mean there's the psyker that initially corrupted wolfer and whatever the hell the admonition lady is

[somber stream]

Great, now they gonna throw in a Plague marine for us to fight

[tropic sorrel]

Just not much awareness about him for some reason, probably because the books can be so hostile to the reader at first

[stuck wasp]

Again, they've said not as playable, nor as enemies

[wanton talon]

But killing some death guard stinkies would be fun

[final herald]

no

[tropic sorrel]

They're also just really well written books

[long sigil]

i want to see death guard in darktide

[round mica]

everyone in here is so funny with their little needs and wants

[final herald]

deathgaurd freak out other marines

let alone 4 dudes with plot armor

[stuck wasp]

SM are just so overused compared to the rest of the setting

[wanton talon]

Our dudes kill more dangerous stuff regularly though

[final herald]

not really

[somber stream]

To be fair, i don't think we ever faced a Death Guard in 40k game before

[long sigil]

fuck

[final herald]

lorewise all of the beasts we fight are "diminished"

[marsh iris]

i need you

[long sigil]

i have to fix my code

[final herald]

including the burgles and daemonhosts

[lapis dove]

same

[long sigil]

alot

i hope suffer u as me dogs

[stuck wasp]

Nah, a single DG marine wouldn't be much of an issue power wise, we beat stronger.
But they're overused and lesser seen stuff is a better choice of things

[round mica]

you’re tellin me we are fighting weak versions of these silly guys?

[elder hare]

bro our rejects have primaris level feats. Regardless if it's a plague walker or a great unclean one, fighting anything blessed by nurgle is asking to be corrupted if you're even nearby. We get swallowed by these things normally and melee them to death

[lapis dove]

the amount of times I accidentally shot the daemonhost
(I'm a rookie at this game and I suck hahahahaha)

[long sigil]

rejects are pretty strong

[final herald]

yes, actual burgles are extremely fucking scary

[tropic sorrel]

Also a shoutout to Latro in the Mist, series about a soldier in ancient Greece who's cursed to forget everything each day and has to write down what happened to remember (the books are his journals)

Another Tobias Wolfe banger

[somber stream]

Introducing: The Humble Plasma gun

[long sigil]

i want to see shotlas

[final herald]

what's that one book where they show the differnce in perspectives between the DG and the people they are fighting

[wanton talon]

Where has that been stated?

[stuck wasp]

Shotlas are illegal modification, don't think Hadron would allow them

[long sigil]

shit

[elder hare]

No such thing as a weak daemonhost, especially for ground level rejects

[final herald]

somewhere, like everything else in DT lore (I'll have to go find it)

[elder hare]

Plasma guns are extremely rare but we see em everywhere

Same for power swords

[stuck wasp]

Plasma guns are still commonly produced by the Imperium

[somber stream]

Not

[final herald]

every single background save for like, enforcer psyker, has experienced combat and lived through it, which is already exceedingly rare

[somber stream]

Plasma gun is quite common, actually

[wanton talon]

I don't recall that being a thing, the Plogryns we fight are just Plogryns

And Plague Ogryns are stronger than space marines

[long sigil]

power sword power cycle kinda need some rework

[elder hare]

Oh I was going by the codex you had earlier

[jaunty path]

Are they like....the equivalent of a sawwed off in 40k?

[final herald]

more like tech heresy

kind of a "What the fuck did you do to that sacred weapon" type beat

[somber stream]

When compares to other lasgun they're not as common, but still fairy accessible. For example, a company of Tallarn infantry get about 6 to 8 Plasma gun

[stuck wasp]

Basically taking a Lasgun and "breaking" the lense to make it more diffuse.
There is also the Stutterlas, that make a Lasgun shoot more like a semi-auto gun

[final herald]

plasma gun is rare in comparison to other weapons basically

[wanton talon]

Some weapons ingame are supposed to be giga rare, like relic blade

[elder hare]

And thunder hammers? Relic swords? I feel like rejects wouldn't have access to these so easily

Arent force weapons also rare

[somber stream]

Ah sorry, 9 actually

[round mica]

we are criminals, we are gonna schteal

[jaunty path]

Is it ok to kiss xenos in 40k

[round mica]

you goofy ass goofballs

goofy goobertons

[stuck wasp]

All those are still produced by the Imperium, the rarest weapon we actually have access to are the Force weapons

[agile raven]

[somber stream]

This i agree

[elder hare]

yeah, here's this genestealer

[somber stream]

Random hobo darting around with Energy swords is just insane

[elder hare]

Just saying, the rules bend a lot for our rejects and that definitely includes one shotting daemonhosts, lesser daemon or not

[stuck wasp]

In fairness, the Inquisition is able to pull access to most of those

[somber stream]

THEN WHERE IS MY HELLGUN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[stuck wasp]

Yes, it's luddo narrative separations

[round mica]

darn, time to stop playing the game now since it’s not lore accurate

😔

[ocean widget]

i thought that was halo

[fiery wave]

That's just SM at home.

[elder hare]

opposite opinion tho, we want more weapons because the rules are already bent

[final herald]

you can excuse it with the inquisition being involved and the fact that you would have had to edure multiple deployments just to get your hands on one (trust system)

[elder hare]

a "why this if not that" situation

[final herald]

(I know it was sarcasm)

[drowsy prawn]

only if you are a big dk rogue trader owning entire systems, then you can do so in front of inquisitors 😏

[somber stream]

Well to be fair

We're bascially Acolytes by the time we hit rep 30

[elder hare]

also where did the plasma guns on atoma even come from? None of the moebians use it, and most of our weapons come from dead allies

[final herald]

^

[stuck wasp]

We pick stuff from outside of the planet, from the various Fringe wars

[jaunty path]

NTR? Perfect.

[round mica]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[somber stream]

From the tide, which is dark

[stuck wasp]

Yes, the multiple ones

[final herald]

the shit grendyl has gotten involved with so far is already pretty funny even by inquisitor standards

still dunno how that MF is so damn old

[round mica]

me, an ogryn, trying to improve and expand the rashun trafficking trade

[somber stream]

There is theory Grendyl isn't even a Inquisitor to begin with

[final herald]

he was contemporary to the one who kidnapped morrow

so I don't agree with that by default

[lilac crag]

I find it funny my weapons are from multiple poor sods because I've put at least quintuple digit kills on them

[somber stream]

Connections, yes

[final herald]

one does not simply have "Connections" that give you imperial authority

[somber stream]

Not saying i'm agreeing with it, but it do be 40k. Anything goes, to a point

We'll see

[final herald]

so far the fact that they're a dying old man inhabiting a ship and pretending to be far away is good enough

the tabletop says they were on the planet but iirc that's changed now

[jaunty path]

under what circumstance is non combatant interaction with xenos sanctioned.

[somber stream]

Also that whole Aeldari business is very interesting

[lilac crag]

likely a segway for a new class

[final herald]

depends on how much power you have to work with

[elder hare]

Fatshark confrmed no non-human classes, remember?

[somber stream]

I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a class. Quest giver like Dukane maybe

[final herald]

if you have no one to tell you know, then, its whatever you say goes

[somber stream]

Mourning star have no infrastructure for Xenos weaponry

[lilac crag]

psykers can use magic very similar to aeldari iirc

[jaunty path]

So I can have a Tau wife

[lilac crag]

I wouldn't mind a new take on magic

[brave slate]

It does. It's called the airlock

[final herald]

Aren't eldar,....psykers....

[somber stream]

Spoken like a true Imperial

[final herald]

saying "similar" feels like it's missing the point of eldar already being psykers

[stuck wasp]

There aren't that much Psyker Eldar stuff taht the Psyker aren't technically able to mimmick in lore

[lilac crag]

I said similar because I don't wanna come off as pretentious

[stuck wasp]

They have Psykers, they're not all