general-chat

[upper citrus]

why would it go free lmao, thatd be such a spit on the face to people who bought it

[thick coyote]

[tardy pulsar]

im confused on why it would be paid though

[upper citrus]

because they need money to make it?

shit aint free ya know

[tardy pulsar]

it dont feel right

[upper citrus]

they are workers, with bills to pay

[upper citrus]

why not?

[inland mantle]

I mean they did put a unreal amount of work into the new class just with the voicelines

[upper citrus]

do you work for free at your job?

do you have a job?

[final rain]

i actually feel like people are wining too much when it comes to the price, i say it's worth the price considering what other companies would charge for it would probably be around $40-$50

[tardy pulsar]

cause all the other 4 classes are free as soon as u buy the game, then u get a new class and its paid

[upper citrus]

shouldve started with that

[versed holly]

me when developers need a paycheck

[round mica]

The emprah protects.

[upper citrus]

we got a new class, the new class cost money to make

they need to pay the workers to make the class

[versed holly]

considering the amount of hours im gonna pour into this game with the arbites class, i think the price point was a steal

[upper citrus]

the price is insanely cheap, considering the amount of work and resources that went into it, yes

[lime beacon]

Gamers when the devs make one paid content update after 2.5 years

[raven salmon]

some aurics don't say high intensity on modifiers any more.

i assume what was auric high intensity is now built into the difficulty?

are current "high intensity" aurics getting the modifiers jacked up more than before or smth?

[tardy pulsar]

im just too used to playing deep rock where the only dlcs were cosmetics and when u buy the game u get everything

[upper citrus]

all aurics are high intensity

[upper citrus]

boohoo, anyway the content in drg is very cheap to make compared to darktide

[raven salmon]

some of them also have a high intensity modifier but it doesn't seem like it's spawning especially more stuff

[upper citrus]

welcome to modern gaming, drg is the exception

[modest flume]

You pay 12 bucks for a whole new class, with 6 new voice actors + all the other classes' VAs to return and do new lines with, penances, and cosmetics that come with it

[lime beacon]

Listen

[dry pebble]

What isnt a good deal is the visor up cosmetic costing 5 bucks while a whole dlc costs 12

[upper citrus]

whens the last time drg released a new class for free

[modest flume]

If that's not worth it then

[lime beacon]

Corporations are scum and drg is based

Buuuut

I’m really hooked on darktide

[upper citrus]

riddle me this batman

[lime beacon]

I’ve gotten way more than my moneys worth

So I don’t mind paying the 12 bucks

[inland mantle]

Same

[lime beacon]

But I can still see a reason why people wouldn’t like it

[versed holly]

i mean, darktide could also get away with not charging as much money if you want darktide to have the graphical fidelity of drg, cant have both

[final rain]

i just used the credits i earned in the last event to buy the raised sallet

[modest flume]

I hate playing this game because it kills DRG for me

[upper citrus]

the content that drg releases for free, darktide been releasing for free as well, the one paid thing darktide released, drg hasnt done it yet

[round mica]

Are people actually upset a new class costs 12 bucks? 3 years post-release?

[upper citrus]

yeah somehow

[inland mantle]

Steam forums always mad at something

[upper citrus]

3 years of nothing but free updates btw

[versed holly]

darktide fans when they discover vermintide with its 5 paid classes

[upper citrus]

whens the last time drg released a new class for free

[hybrid grove]

why is maelstrom not permanently an option

[upper citrus]

it is

[tardy pulsar]

well they wont

[upper citrus]

what

[tardy pulsar]

but theyve never locked anything behind a paywall like the arbites

[round mica]

That’s what I’m saying

[thick coyote]

Every class is a paid class because you have to buy the game

[inland mantle]

Checks out

[modest flume]

Well it's not fair to pay 12 bucks for an actual quality DLC; Not like spending 30 bucks for a clown costume in CoD, or spending 100 bucks on a game of questionable quality. Now those are good choices

[lime beacon]

[upper citrus]

everything tthat drg releases for free, darktide has released for free as well, for years now, dont mind them asking for a bit of your money for a new class, when drg releases a new class for free you can use it as an argument

[tardy pulsar]

they wont release a new class for free, it will always be 4, im just saying they never released updates that required payment

unlike darktide

[upper citrus]

precisely my point

[final rain]

for us aussies, it was closer to $20

[upper citrus]

so they both release the same thing for free

[lime beacon]

If you keep defending the brand, bro is going to make a Reddit thread about you

Look out

[tardy pulsar]

hence my point being that im not used to it and it feels wrong

[upper citrus]

dont mind darktide for giving us more

[tardy pulsar]

due to me expecting the class to be free

what

[tardy pulsar]

literally how

[upper citrus]

youre not even expecting a new class in drg

[upper citrus]

what does drg release for free?

[tardy pulsar]

everything?

[lime beacon]

Maps and skins

And enemies

[tardy pulsar]

darktide dosnt release everything for free

[remote ivy]

I don't like DRG because they didn't release a free class.

It feels wrong.

[final rain]

finally was able to join again

[tardy pulsar]

you gotta pay to expeirence the full game

[upper citrus]

maps and modes, do we not get that for free in darktide?

[heavy mango]

kitefin online

[upper citrus]

im sorry yall dont get any new characters

[lime beacon]

Ain’t no way

[tardy pulsar]

talking about now

[round mica]

Honestly? At the end of the day, I’m happy to support further development on Darktide.

[lime beacon]

Man is baiting you

[inland mantle]

Got us there guys pack it up

[tired steeple]

can I get more bullets in my boltgun mag

[modern bobcat]

Here's an idea for a new male Zealot char: Mister Repentia

[tired steeple]

is there a blessing or something for that

[tardy pulsar]

im not complaining about back then updates im questioning why arbites is paid

💀

[upper citrus]

baiting

no way

[round mica]

You may have one additional boolet. Hands you boolet

[upper citrus]

3 years of free updates, clearly irrelevant

[heavy mango]

bait used to be believable...

[thick coyote]

Nuh uh

[remote ivy]

I find it crazy you're upset with a paid dlc for a game you play after 3 years.

Over 12 dollars.

Y'all are poor

[thick coyote]

You'll be happy with 15 shots

[inland mantle]

Man just wait for the class to go on discount if $12 is too much for you

[modern bobcat]

Masterfully so?

[thick coyote]

[versed holly]

i hope we get more quality paid classes down the line 🤞 no clue what else they could add tho

[upper citrus]

deadasss

[lime beacon]

ADMECH MANIFESTING

[upper citrus]

give me more paid classes please

[heavy mango]

basically whatever they'd like, given they gave arbites their own reason for being in the game

[upper citrus]

also 12 bucks, what a god damn steal, shit should be at least 20

[lime beacon]

Hold on lmao

[versed holly]

whatever GW approves* theres a reason both darktide and rogue trader get an arbites dlc at the same time

[heavy mango]

it took me like

[tardy pulsar]

well i gotta pay 20, my currency is different LOL

[upper citrus]

skill issue

[heavy mango]

800-900 hours to fully appreciate the base game classes

[round mica]

Vindicare class when?

[tired steeple]

I understand why arbites costs money but like all things I preferred it'd be free.

Why? I'm a cheap bastard

[heavy mango]

mostly because ogryn rework took forever to come out

lol

[dry pebble]

Listen i love darktide and im a glazer but ill never ever defend some of the stuff fatshark does, they having a banger surreally good game doesnt delete the fact that the cosmetics shop being this expensive and predatory has souered some of the playerbase towards the dlc price. The store is intended to secure funding afterall.
And i have to clarify that im not against the dlc being paid because someone would reply with "the devs wont work for free"

[lime beacon]

Ogryn saltzpyre is a tencent plant

[crimson crane]

They obviously put much effort for the new class which includes all the voice actings and new interactions between original classes so it's perfectly fine it being a paid DLC in my book

[upper citrus]

well of course id prefer if it was free, but is not like making it paid is a crime

[heavy mango]

i still think it's hilarious that arbites are cheaper than a single cosmetic set

[upper citrus]

it is

[heavy mango]

💀

[modest flume]

I'm happy at least the Arbites is good without a million tweaks out the door

[versed holly]

always confused how a cosmetics shop is predatory, just dont buy the cosmetics lol

[upper citrus]

^^^^^

is fkcing cosmetics, just dont buy stuff

[tired steeple]

I don't wanna say it's predatory but it's a pretty doggy doo doo shop ngl

[round mica]

He’s right you know.

[modest flume]

Let's appreciate that FatShark didn't drop the ball on the Arbites

[tired steeple]

like the whole weekly thing

[heavy mango]

yeah it's not predatory

[inland mantle]

But muh FOMO

[heavy mango]

but it is dogshit fomo

[remote ivy]

I will gladly pay 12 for actual content instead of cosmetic shop slop

[tired steeple]

predatory is like

gacha games

[upper citrus]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[tired steeple]

I say this as someone who plays a gacha game

[modest flume]

They did on everything else, but that's expected

[heavy mango]

gacha games go to hell

[tired steeple]

dw I haven't spent money on it

[south jetty]

FOMO is too effective 😔

[versed holly]

also, i actually appreciate the pricing for cosmetics in this game, aquillas is cheap compared to other premium currencies

[round mica]

I do feel like they’d make more if they stopped rotating the shop and just had a full catalogue but what do I know, I only worked in business for a year.

[dry pebble]

Dogshit fomo is predatory you guys are just conditioned to accept shit practices because of the shit industry

[lime beacon]

Manifesting an anime gacha game addiction for all my opps

[tired steeple]

oh nice all vet melee weapons fully upgraded

[upper citrus]

idc how "predatory" the cosmetic store is, is literally just cosmetics, dont buy shit

[modest flume]

The problem is, people love choices until they get them, and then don't know what to do

[south jetty]

they keep upping the prices on cosmetics but the cosmetics keep having clipping issues and stuff

[thick coyote]

But why do we have to buy Aquillas

[versed holly]

just dont be afraid of missing out

[rustic escarp]

i only have my home PC

[thick coyote]

And not just

[rustic escarp]

which is wired to the router via CAT5

[thick coyote]

Pay money for the actual cosmetic

[dry pebble]

See the store is not predatory towards people with strong impulse control

[versed holly]

i agree with this tho

[silver mango]

I killed Rinda Karnek with a shovel

[upper citrus]

ima start saying this lmao, just dont be afraid

[dry pebble]

Thats why its called predatory

[versed holly]

i hope the EU incentive to get rid of premium currencies and make skins just cost actual money goes through

[south jetty]

I ain't but I'm also not the weirdo that gives them loadsa money for it, that would go to this game's mystery whales

[thick coyote]

Heh car neck

[upper citrus]

is cosmetics bro, if you cant control yourself, thats on you

[south jetty]

or people who just don't like spending their money

[ashen prairie]

Morning everyone !

[dry pebble]

Bro i have not bought a single cosmetic but im baffled because people act like they are not an incentive to most people to engage with the game

[tired steeple]

hello

arbites also isn't pay to win because literally nothing can be stronger than zealot stealth builds

[versed holly]

i thought gameplay was the incentive to engage with the game

but to each their own

[upper citrus]

yeah if youre losing your mind over cosmetics, you kinda weird imo, but hey to each their own

[modest flume]

Hello! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. 🤺

[final rain]

welp, now i'm getting error 1003...

[south jetty]

Cosmetics are the cherry on top that keep getting more expensive

[tired steeple]

I should actually watch that movie lol

[south jetty]

don't need a cherry though

[upper citrus]

you seem a decent fellow, i hate to kill you

[versed holly]

goated movie

[thick coyote]

Nuh uh

[south jetty]

Rinda Karnak as the main character in a Cooking Mama style game

[upper citrus]

it really is

[modern bobcat]

@amber delta 👆 👆 👆

[upper marlin]

Why can't I name my arbites DerekChauvin

[thick coyote]

Who's that?

[upper marlin]

L fatshark

[modest flume]

You seem a decent fellow, I'd hate to die

[modern bobcat]

Gonna cut yourself on that edge

[upper citrus]

INCONCEIVABLE!

[modern bobcat]

Try Chris Dorner

and make it a Vet

[modest flume]

I don't think you know what that means...

[upper marlin]

6 finger try but hole

I name my char DarkLooter instead

[paper aurora]

Lol did ppl say its pay to win

[upper citrus]

is the internet, anything is p2w

[paper aurora]

Tru

[tired steeple]

I heard it passed around once, so it was probably a miniscule amount of people

[amber cave]

the Brokies will always whine when they have to pay for things

[paper aurora]

Zealot is pay to win dude i bought the game and 4 other p2w characters

[inland mantle]

Getting DT is p2w 🤔

[upper marlin]

60% off now too

[ashen prairie]

I have a few questions, is there mods like wow to know our DPS ?

[upper citrus]

yes

[paper aurora]

Yus

[dry pebble]

because apparently character customization and gameplay cant coexist in a product? every time someone has criticism towards cosmetics someone says "only gameplay matters" so why the game offers cosmetic progression?

[inland mantle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/466

[ashen prairie]

Curseforge i think ?

[paper aurora]

I think the simple health bar mod literally shows dps

[ashen prairie]

My hero 🤞

Thanks, i'll download it

[paper aurora]

Its on nexus

[ashen prairie]

It'll work anyway I think

[paper aurora]

Just called healthbars

[upper citrus]

look up a guide on how to mod the game

[paper aurora]

Yeah you need the mod loader the patch and there is some specific details with a text file its really ez

[ashen prairie]

I'll find one on the internet should be good

[upper citrus]

i recon in the base mod it tells you how

the one you need for any mod

[inland mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-epic-embed-fail-funny-embed-fail-goose-goose-embed-fail-gif-25175587

[paper aurora]

Smh

[upper citrus]

get embedded'ed

[paper aurora]

Forgot this is gen

[ashen prairie]

wow

[paper aurora]

[dry pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-embed-failure-epic-embed-fail-double-embed-fail-gif-23538127

[inland mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1376627198466986064/1386153007326171277/xIN3yJF.gif

[ashen prairie]

I've played zealoth a lot and i've wanted to try Psyker a bit

[inland mantle]

Embed fails dont stop me I couldnt care less

[modern bobcat]

I won't whine if YOU pay for things FOR me

[paper aurora]

I started playing like a week ago and started on zealot and completely swapped to being an arbite main lmao

[ashen prairie]

Haven't bought it yet, I will

For the dog

[paper aurora]

Its peak

[thick coyote]

Broke people slander

Smh

Thought you were better than that

🚬

[dry pebble]

If you have that much money then buy the dlc for everyone here

[paper aurora]

I bought the game because the arbite release I love the super dredd cops

[ashen prairie]

YES

[paper aurora]

Gotta share with the whole class

[ashen prairie]

And the cyber dogs are strangely cute

[paper aurora]

Yessir

The name combos are really funny sometimes

[ashen prairie]

I saw one who was named "dontpetdog"

i laughed

[paper aurora]

Yeah its awesome

[inland mantle]

Wallace and Gromit is a great name combo

[paper aurora]

Jack and boot or law and order

[dry pebble]

i have seen a staggering amount of shaggy and scooby doo

[paper aurora]

I laughed really hard at "Grimbark"

[nova thunder]

any havoc groups in OCE?

[ashen prairie]

I played with laweggenforcment recently

[modern bobcat]

sees a hot Zealot So... is there a... Mister Repentia?

[violet token]

can i ask how do you check the new event contract progress?

[modern bobcat]

on PC? Tab key

[inland mantle]

Pc hold tab and e to cycle the options

[violet token]

oh thanks, oh it can be done only once? i thought it was daily haha

[plucky stag]

i can smell the arbitrator nerf

[heavy drum]

Man I can't believe game got to 68% mixed review, the hell do these people want

[versed holly]

if its anything like vermintide, small tweaks at best

[inland mantle]

Yep the event caps out at 10 for rewards

[inland mantle]

Duelling sword nerf review bomb

[plucky stag]

prolly cause of how badly the dlc launched on day 1

[modern bobcat]

does it smell like hot sweaty passionate LEX?

[versed holly]

you gotta understand a lot of reviews were from the first half a year when the game was not so stellar

[heavy drum]

I just filtered last week reviews, it's pretty bad

[versed holly]

ah well, could be a plethora of reasons

[plucky stag]

recent reviews are mixed and those are 30 days or less

[versed holly]

most negative reviews are from people with over 100 hours

like any grindy game

[plucky stag]

lol

only thing i hated was how poorly the game was optimized in the early days but i dont hate anything else

[versed holly]

i liked the game tbh, never had many issues with it, other than the usual that stem from Co-op or team based games

like poor players

[heavy drum]

Removin cyber eye from Arbi was pretty scummy, but I don't get ones complaining about dueling sword / plasma nerfs, do they even have fun running that shit

[inland mantle]

No such thing as good teammates in a pve game 😔

[plucky stag]

what did they nerf with the dueling sword? idk cuz i've only played ogryn so far

[lime beacon]

I flip a coin in loading screen to decide if I grief or not

[versed holly]

i think not having a specific end stat screen unless you mod it in is good to combat some toxicity that comes with team games lol

[inland mantle]

Real

[plucky stag]

idk who even cares about those, as long as the mission is done im happy

[lime beacon]

oh yeah, the mission will end all right

[tacit geode]

Nothing there went even nerfs in the patch

[versed holly]

i liked seeing just mine on space marine 2, because im curious how i did perform

[tacit geode]

They said that they're going to and people review bombed the gsme

[inland mantle]

Their skill issue is showing 😳

[dreamy cliff]

reviewbombers are genuinely braindead

anything happens
go 100 million percent apeshit, doesnt even matter if its a big deal or not

[versed holly]

reviewbombers always turn into game designers with 10 years of experience when their braindead 1 shot meta build gets tweaked a bit

[dreamy cliff]

gee i wonder why the company is now reluctant to balance anything

[inland mantle]

Only buff never nerf crowd is super annoying

[versed holly]

"this game is held back by baffling decisions from the dev team"

decision in question is making the plasma do 5% less damage or something

[dry pebble]

we need to nerf the plasma gun even more

[lime beacon]

they should just double down and make the ds unusable

[modern bobcat]

Similar to the people who use week to week (sometimes day to day) player counts to decide if a game is completely dead or not

[heavy drum]

Give it 10% chance to explode on any shot

[modern bobcat]

and who endlessly post about said death

without realising that Nothing Ever Happens

[lime beacon]

PD3 is dead

[tacit geode]

Sky is blue

[dry pebble]

yo i was looking at playercounts and Left 4 Dead ONE had more players then PD3

Amazing

[versed holly]

i played apex, and was kinda tired of shit getting always nerfed, but last season they actually buffed everything, legends, guns, everything, and it made everything op and the game has never been more unfun lol, so im now a firm believer of not being part of the "buff everything" crowd

[south jetty]

"THIS GAME IS DYING!!!" if a 12v12 online only pvp game can keep running on about 500 players a day max then a 4 player co-op fps with 7000+ players will be fine

[plucky stag]

Guys does Damage resistance apply to toughness bar or just ur hp bar

[tacit geode]

Both I think

[south jetty]

If it doesn't specify then both

[plucky stag]

[elfin pagoda]

extremes are bad who wouldve thought

[south jetty]

[lime beacon]

"dead" meaning 0 player count is the lowest possible dead bar

[south jetty]

also good morning

[lime beacon]

dead as in devs and funding are soon to be gone is much more plausible

[south jetty]

I've seen games actually die. Darktide is (so far) not anywhere near close

[lime beacon]

like rats escaping burning crack den

Im not talking about darktide lol

[plucky stag]

Artifact rn

[south jetty]

Yes

[dry bay]

Just remove it

[south jetty]

People don't know what dead is

[dry bay]

Its bad anyway

[lime beacon]

LMAO

[dry pebble]

whats the name of that one thats a monster hunter copy

[lime beacon]

"we've decided to remove ds"

[dry pebble]

dauntless

[lime beacon]

"get good"

[modern bobcat]

I feel like the Darktide devs must despise Twitch streamers and viewers

[dry bay]

Its a crutch and one trick pony

[lime beacon]

[modern bobcat]

because the Twitch drop skins are horrendously ugly

[plucky stag]

that game flopped so hard cuz i dont think it ever got updates

[south jetty]

I know I do

[inland mantle]

It wasnt that bad but god the steam port lmao

[dry pebble]

yes the steam port

[echo vale]

I cannot log in to Darktide, wont connect to server :/

[inland mantle]

I played it back when it first came out

[plucky stag]

Artifact is a game no one asked for and it lost all players after 1 month

[south jetty]

it's been having server issues for the past few days

[dry bay]

"We have removed every class besides Arbites"

[modern bobcat]

@rustic escarp Reporting same issue. No fix on horizon as yet

[plucky stag]

Meanwhile concord didnt even survive 2 weeks

[dry bay]

Veteran players in shambles

[modern bobcat]

Every class except Arbites AND Ogryn ty very much

[dry pebble]

It had a loyal but small playerbase but the steam port update fucked the game beyond human comprehension

[plucky stag]

They should make an april fools where only Ogryn is the playable class

[dry pebble]

now its dead

[south jetty]

I could make them reverse that decision by drawing mass amounts of Arbites yaoi

[tribal patio]

I’ve played every class today at least once

[plucky stag]

dew it

[south jetty]

it's in my power

[inland mantle]

Yep shut down not to long ago iirc

[tribal patio]

And seen every class

[dry bay]

That would be funny but resize ogryn into bardin

[plucky stag]

😭

[modern bobcat]

You are the April Fool if you believe this would not make everyone happy and turn Darktide into GOTY all years

[south jetty]

I'd go for it

[south jetty]

I guess it's still pride month after all 🤔

[dry bay]

People calling Arbites OP when the games difficulty has been nerfed into the ground

[modern bobcat]

If Darktide became an Ogryn FPS I think we can all agree, the game would have 1 million daily logins

[echo vale]

Imlying you're not gunna do that anyway but just horde it for yourself

[tired steeple]

I don't loooove the boltgun but it's pretty good

I think I prefer the bolt pistol ngl

[elfin pagoda]

i wouldnt mind if they let us play as a female ogryn

[south jetty]

[dry bay]

Ah the worse revolver

[tired steeple]

I wouldn't either. Big giant fat person either way

[modern bobcat]

The Ogryn in-game rn IS a female Ogryn wtf are you talking about?

[south jetty]

A master of chaos knows the optimal time to unless their powers

[tired steeple]

or well, all of that fat is strength

gw does have a lot of factions that have no female variant. I think they just couldn't be bothered

like I don't think they're sexist or anything I think they just went "nahh too lazy"

[dry bay]

We need a playable ork

[rustic escarp]

fingers crossed for the day

[dry bay]

Who's only ability is being invisible

[tired steeple]

we need an ork game in general

shootas blood & teef was funny

[south jetty]

They knew the gamer male nerds would tremble and pee a little like a chihuahua if they made minis including women

[rustic escarp]

i need my massive woman with arms like logs who talks like five packs of cigarettes a day

[tired steeple]

but a bigger budget ork game feels like something that should exist

[dry bay]

Orktide

[echo vale]

What about the Ork car deathmatch game

[plucky stag]

i always preffered the bolt pistol over the revolver honestly

[dry bay]

Or bloodbowl

[versed holly]

necrons and orks for space marines 3 🙏

[south jetty]

"Fem ogryn but she looks no different than the male ogryn" is my favorite idea so far

[dry bay]

Bolt pistol is just a slower revolver

[rustic escarp]

yeah the BP is fantastic if you don't need the Zarona's damage potential

[elfin pagoda]

revolvers are just reload simulators

[south jetty]

Bolt pistol is for people with charisma

[tired steeple]

yeah but the bolt pistol explodes enemies

and

I think that's cool

[rustic escarp]

i use the BP on the zealot because i crack Carapace with my relic blade or eviscerator, not my ranged weapon

[dry bay]

Wish we could get a shot pistol without shield

[south jetty]

I like using the bolt pistol on my psyker and zealot

[heavy drum]

You can reaim with BP to take care of weapon sway between shots

[dry bay]

For other classes

[rustic escarp]

if you don't need the ultra high headshot damage then the BP's handling and ammo economy is a FAR better pick

[dry bay]

Idk man playing with big iron is fun

[rustic escarp]

but if you're using zarona to delete carapace then the BP can't compare

[south jetty]

Zarona is an ammo chewer if you're the only one picking off both elites and specialists

[rustic escarp]

it's simply unable to do those big meaty Hand Cannon shots

[dry bay]

Sometimes I even bring the hip fire revolver and pretend to be Cade from D2

[south jetty]

Agri revolver my beloved

[heavy drum]

Idk, oneshotting a whole train of zerkers with a single bullet goes hard

[south jetty]

it's fun on psyker

[dry bay]

Last Word in Darktide

[dry pebble]

wolfer looks at the camera and says "you see, we are a tide... of dark."

[south jetty]

this is more fun with shotguns

[dry bay]

I have a specific lawman loadout for Arbites now

Agri revolver/Double barrel

Lone wolf

[tired steeple]

I do like it too

I just prefer bolt pistol cause big ass blood explosion

[modern bobcat]

and the players are a Tide... of Dorks

[dry bay]

The three shot double barrel is fun

Hit them with the initial 2 barrel special attack and follow up with another shot

For good measure

[south jetty]

it needs 3 shots?

[dry bay]

It doesn't but the ability that adds ammo is fun to have a 3 shot double barrel

[south jetty]

true

[dry bay]

So you can clear a horde and get off another shot

[heavy drum]

I've been having a terrible luck finding a good double barrel in brunts, must have bought a hundred of them

[dry bay]

Are you lvl 30?

[modern bobcat]

What's your Char level and Mastery?

[heavy drum]

30 arbi

[silver mango]

Brunt just hates you

[heavy drum]

Just no 60% mobility ones

[modern bobcat]

Check the normal shop as well as creating your own

[silver mango]

I got my 60% mobility double barrel in 3 tries I think

[heavy drum]

Ofc, there are 60% mon braced autoguns every rotation

[vapid axle]

anyone else getting really slow communication with fatshark backend atm?

[inland mantle]

Everytime I login

[heavy drum]

I've been getting a lot of 2001 errors recently

[inland mantle]

At this point it should say when it's not slow instead

[modern bobcat]

@rustic escarp has been submitting reports

[somber stream]

Why is Hadron so hot

[inland mantle]

Hadron gooners are here

[modern bobcat]

All the thermal paste wore off due to friction

[heavy drum]

Because she's mean to us

[rose pine]

Mecha mommy

Also, why do I have to do so many damnation missions to get to Auric?

[amber delta]

to prove yourself

[somber stream]

It' for ye to get used to the pace

[rose pine]

Already level 210+ With my ogryn 😦

[heavy drum]

It's not that many, 7-8 I think for auric

[somber stream]

Think of the newbs as well

[tired steeple]

what's the dump stat on boltguns btw

is it stability

[amber delta]

damage

[modern bobcat]

Mobility

[amber delta]

[modern bobcat]

When in doubt dump Mobility

[modern bobcat]

or Defences

[glossy bear]

You must secretely also be one, you cant resist

[marsh iris]

datide

[glossy bear]

[inland mantle]

Collateral

[glossy bear]

Da tide

[inland mantle]

For boltgun

[glossy bear]

[tired steeple]

hmm alright. I did get this boltgun randomly a while ago and got that as my dump and considered that pretty good

I mean the bolter's already pretty unstable

[heavy drum]

I wish they add back the old mission board

[tired steeple]

instable?

[mighty fractal]

do captain bosses count as monstrosities ?

[tired steeple]

yeah

[rustic escarp]

not for Adhesive Charge

[inland mantle]

Sefoni dont at me like that

[rustic escarp]

rumbler rounds will bounce off em

[glossy bear]

I got a transcendant rarity sword from melk in my first try

[tired steeple]

sefoni has a really hot voice. I just wish darktide characters weren't hideous

I can look past the bald thing that's fine. But god. Everyone is so ugly

[dry bay]

Staggering a monstrosity 50 times with the dog is gonna take forever

[amber delta]

Morrow slander on my watch?

that man is gorgeous

[dry bay]

Cause if the monster is staggered already it doesn't count

[glossy bear]

I mean sefoni, masozi and hadron are beautifull

[inland mantle]

Took me like 2 hours tops

[tired steeple]

okay morrow actually looks like a normal human

[inland mantle]

Not that hard

[tired steeple]

even if he is a genestealer

[somber stream]

MORROW IS BEAUTIFUL

[dry bay]

Im not getting any monster spawns

At all

Auric, damnation, mortis trials

[inland mantle]

Auric trials spawns like 20 or so if you get lucky

[glossy bear]

You should be glad

[heavy drum]

Morrow is a genestealer?

[tired steeple]

no lol

[glossy bear]

Prolly

[tired steeple]

well, I don't think so

[amber delta]

we are all jeanstealers

[zinc marsh]

In the 40th millennium, gooners have it the worst

[dry bay]

I did one last night. Not a single spawn

[tired steeple]

I don't think it's impossible

[glossy bear]

No we arent

[tired steeple]

but I lean towards no

[dry bay]

Besides a captain on round 12

[inland mantle]

Run it again you got unlucky then I got like 10 bosses for wave 11 and 12

[somber stream]

Applying for Havoc rooms got me PTSD back during the Covid Job hunt

[glossy bear]

You cannot hide @amber delta
You have been caught in 4k

[tired steeple]

something something cannot hide from the lex

[amber delta]

I am not bald

yet

[dry bay]

Yeah I just want the red helmet

With the mohawk

[inland mantle]

Real

[glossy bear]

It will happen eventually, all men have baldness

[dry bay]

Its my last penance for the helmet

[inland mantle]

Dont remind me of my weak bloodline

[thick coyote]

The humble boss spam Havoc

[tired steeple]

if you want a strong bloodline you should meet a navigator

[modern bobcat]

You can stagger the same Monstrosity up to 3-4 times before killing it

[tired steeple]

or imperial knight houses

[modern bobcat]

if you play Auric you get 2-3 per match, that's up to 12 staggers

[dry bay]

I could do havoc true

[glossy bear]

I AM THE LEX

[modern bobcat]

so you basically need 5-6 matches max

[heavy drum]

Mortis has the best boss per minute imo

[dry bay]

Im gonna run some today

[craggy swift]

Does anyone else hope we get a melee weapon that has a ranged ability? Like firing a secondary pistol or something?

[dry bay]

Playing with bots (randoms) has been rough

[heavy drum]

Psyker greatsword

[modern bobcat]

Pretty sure FS will make Kroot the next class so nobody can goon to it

[dry bay]

Is there a talent im missing to make the cool down for dog shock shorter

[thick coyote]

Grenadier Gauntlet

[inland mantle]

Nope it's always 60 secs for dog bomb

[amber delta]

akshully that's a ranged weapon with a melee ability 🤓

[dry bay]

So really I can only stagger 3 times

[thick coyote]

Same same

But different

[dry bay]

Or kite the boss til it recharges

[thick coyote]

I should definitely check how they revamped the melee combos on the GG though

[heavy drum]

You can go to a brazil server, run a map with guaranteed boss spawn on sedation and just sit there stunning it every minute

[dry bay]

Bosses spawn on sedation?

[south jetty]

sedation

[dry bay]

Uprising

[tacit geode]

#watchme

[dry bay]

Same thing

[south jetty]

that's what it feels like don't it

[heavy drum]

Perhaps the maps with guaranteed spawn

[dry bay]

Captains count as monstrosities?

[south jetty]

you underestimate people

[dry bay]

Or nah

[glossy bear]

I failed to recruit a new member

[inland mantle]

No

[dry bay]

How do I change servers to Brazil?

[silver mango]

Darktide leaked next class: Ogryn with a hat

[glossy bear]

He said darktide too expensive yet bought cypberpunk deluxe

[south jetty]

Someone clearly hasn't heard about monster lovers

[silver mango]

Honestly based

[dry bay]

Disgusting

[heavy drum]

Press e on mission terminal I think

[glossy bear]

And we never will

[south jetty]

I'm right here fool

[glossy bear]

Is someone talking? I cant see

[silver mango]

Darktide new weapon: ammo box you individually throw bullets with

[rose pine]

But I have 600+ hours :< Why do I have to redo it all over again ;w;

[tacit geode]

Hit E on the mission board should let you pick a server from there

[versed holly]

were aurics always this easy or is arbites just broken

[tacit geode]

Not sure the button on console

[heavy drum]

Arbi is pretty nutty rn

[dry bay]

Difficulty got nerfed

Or Ai director is on break

[heavy drum]

Whoops, wrong reply

[tacit geode]

It is yeah

Not really related to servers :p

[rose pine]

They're nuts.
But it's lore accurate.

[dry bay]

Auric has been easy on other classes not just Arbi

[versed holly]

should have made a bald one and called him Fischig

[rose pine]

JohnDogTide is the best name I've seen so far.

[dry bay]

Saw John Wick yesterday

One mission he had a dog

Next mission he didnt

Lore accurate

[versed holly]

I just called mine Dante.. then i realised my level 30 psyker is also called dante

im very creative

[dry bay]

Better than Dredd

Or Judge

Or Bodycamoff

[versed holly]

Or bodycamoff

yeah

[dry bay]

I just went with Rook

[heavy drum]

Named mine JudgeGregg, pretty happy with it

[dry bay]

Very cop ish name

[shut escarp]

I went with "Lexington"

[surreal ermine]

the amount of dogs ive seen named princess

[glossy bear]

I called my arbites zapard and my dog Steeve in honor of Steeve the glyphid bug

[versed holly]

called my dog penance, thought it was fitting enough for an arbites

[dry bay]

Should have gone with Blitz for the shield flash ability

[heavy drum]

I think I played with you earlier today

[shut escarp]

What about "Lockjaw?"

[south jetty]

Coward

[versed holly]

it was considered

[fathom gale]

Fluffymallows is the superior grimdark name.

[south jetty]

Why not "Brian"?

[dry bay]

Named my dog butters after my irl dog

[south jetty]

Maybe even Georgette

[rose pine]

My dog is called Princess.

[versed holly]

Lex was also something i thought off, like a play off people naming their dog Rex, but it was kinda basic

[rose pine]

She bites.

[shut escarp]

Was I wearing the longcoat outfit and using an autopistol?

[rose pine]

Yes

[cedar kestrel]

It won't let me name mine anything longer than 6 characters

[surreal ermine]

my arbites is KingHarkinian and my dog is DinnerBlaster

[golden dawn]

Is there a way 2 skip the campaign after starting it? i may or may not have missclicked

[heavy drum]

Not sure, so many arbis to differient from, but the name is familiar

[versed holly]

such a shame that new veteran fit wasnt given to the psyker, gives strong eisenhorn vibes

[dry bay]

#pet-tide message

[nimble elm]

I reached a new low in havoc. Dropping from 25 to 12.
No chance I can get true survivor
Definitely a skill issue for me

[dry bay]

Butters sleeping after eating heretics (grasshoppers) all day

[ashen prairie]

they taste like crisps

[rose pine]

My biggest problem is just that I cant get through the 'Gateway' of 25+.

[shut escarp]

"Lex & Rex"
"Barkie & Bitey"
"Soldier & Steed"
"Vance & Lance"
"Ziggfried & Zaggard"

[dry bay]

30 is harder than 40

Can't convince me otherwise

[rose pine]

The gatekeepers wont allow me to get above 30+, as if I'm not 30+, I cant join the lobbies, but I cant get 30+ since no one wants to accept that I'm below 30 :<

[nimble elm]

Interesting thing to note is that damnation and auric are now easier...

[heavy drum]

Go to lfg channel and look for people there

[dry bay]

Much easier

[digital oasis]

I'm surprised to see so many positive reviews on Steam for the Arbites class.

Aside from the aesthetics, the actual gameplay of the class seems so incredibly underwhelming and boring

[dry bay]

Heresy

[glossy bear]

Zapard & Steeve

[digital oasis]

literally have no desire to buy it, the only interesting part is the dog, but even that seems so mediocre and low power fantasy

[versed holly]

i think its a combo of having a new very strong class plus it being easier, just making it overall a bit too easy, i dont think i felt the threat of wiping in the last 15 auric runs i did

[glossy bear]

I was joking

[nimble elm]

Has there been much changes in maelstrom?

[heavy drum]

Almost every ability or keystone seem recycled

[shut escarp]

Zapp & Kipp?

[digital oasis]

exactly

[fiery wave]

Because it's actually strong. Like.. Straight up mini oggy.

[gray falcon]

new player question, what is shared between classes? do profile frames, ressources, and campaign progress carry over, or is everything seperate (especially with event stuff)?

[glossy bear]

No, Zaparad & Steeve

[shut escarp]

It's mostly toughness farming, ngl

[ashen prairie]

Speaking about dogs, mine came back from the dog hairdresser and changed kind i'm crying

[versed holly]

ngl the executioner shotgun made the class 10x better for me than what i expected

[heavy drum]

Everything except weapons, curios and class specific cosmetics is shared

[gray falcon]

oh cool, thats good to know

[digital oasis]

yeah that's fair that gun seems really nice, but nowhere near enough to make me want to buy the class...feels like another case of Fatshark being afraid to fulfill power fantasy...

[versed holly]

idk, i feel pretty powerful

bulldozing through everything

[heavy drum]

I hope next big update is Skitarii plus red weapons and curios rework

[digital oasis]

that's cool, I'm happy for you and anyone who like it, no hate from me.

by power fantasy I mean "feeling powerful and special"

[fiery wave]

Do you want another oggy and push power creep even more? You already have two classes in need of buffs and reworks to not be way below the rest.

[digital oasis]

not just being effective in gameplay

[shut escarp]

Gotta teach me the playstyle for that weapon. So far I just feel sluggish from the fire rate

[fiery wave]

If we assume Arbites is standard for power now.

[versed holly]

i play the mk8, its basically more of a sniper than a shotgun

[digital oasis]

no sry to clarify I don't mean power fantasy in terms of "it's not strong enough", I mean giving it flashy and unique ways to be powerful

[versed holly]

you can dome 1 shot a lot of elites from 40 meters away

[digital oasis]

the only thing I see that meets that criteria is the dog somewhat and the shotgun

[versed holly]

you know as a returning player, im just happy i dont have to do random rolls for blessing and perks anymore on my weapons, god bless for that QoL

[elder merlin]

[shut escarp]

I just want my tech adept, really. Something something, "area denial via locking doors"

[heavy drum]

Love the mkVIII shotgun, it deletes specials and elites (at pretty good range as well)

[fiery wave]

I mean... look at vet. Nothing much. You thought we would be playing an actual veteran, but it now feels like you are playing a random guardsman.

[simple drum]

As long as i can still push with my zealot

[surreal ermine]

arbites is fun enough but sometimes it does just feel like ghetto ogryn with a mini attack zealot

[simple drum]

Which honestly i was able to do

Arbites is just another shooting class man

If you can get to your targets before the bullet , they seem ok to me

[shut escarp]

Guess I know what I'm doing today, Ferb

[south jetty]

this is the best one I've seen in a bit besides Shaggy and Scooby, and Peter with Brian

[simple drum]

I havent even seen one dog yet

[fiery wave]

Mini oggy with WS, DD and HH.

[south jetty]

oh yeah there was also BEEFandCHEDDAR with CurlyFry

[simple drum]

And i actually seen two arbites

[heavy drum]

Lois, have I told you about the time I went to the grim dark future of 40k?

[digital oasis]

I agree, I would say the only class they actually give some real power fantasy (looking special while being powerful) is in order:

Psyker
Ogryn
Zealot

(several rungs after)

Arbites

(so far down it's in the basement)

Veteran

lol

[versed holly]

Goodluck phineas, id personally get the execution order talent, combine it with all talents that buff the dog, its amazing

[south jetty]

loser no-dog builds

[fiery wave]

Because meta is dogless.

[south jetty]

Lmfao

[fiery wave]

Basement? You seem like you are being generous... More like under the basement, core of the earth.

[glossy bear]

Thats not nice

[digital oasis]

apologies you are correct

[shut escarp]

[versed holly]

im suprised how useful the dog is, usually ranger type characters in mmos get a buggy as fuck companion

the dog is actually a menace here

[surreal ermine]

the double barrel build is silly on arbites but otherwise nothing can take my oggy away

[hardy wren]

Who’s the cry baby here review bombing the game cuz plasma and dueling getting nerfed

[inland mantle]

Dog does put in work even in H40 it works very well from what I've tested

[hardy wren]

????

[simple drum]

Plasma what

[dry bay]

Sleeping on melee focused arbites

[inland mantle]

Dog bomb is a plus it's super good

[heavy drum]

Dog uses 95% of the coding from poxhound, including suiciding of a cliff

[thick coyote]

Petah the inquisition is here

[simple drum]

Maybe

[thick coyote]

Ok so

FS has plans to tweak Plasma and Dueling Sword

[simple drum]

Idk though i gotta play more i gotta move to damnnation

[thick coyote]

They postponed those for a different update

[simple drum]

So i can do maelstrom so this lady can get off my sack

[dry bay]

Melee focused without dog and using rush every 10 seconds is great

[thick coyote]

However

[dry bay]

You become zealot

With taxe

[thick coyote]

They forgot to take those changes from the Chinese version of the patch notes

[surreal ermine]

the shield and mace feels fucking insane and easy as piss to use

[thick coyote]

So someone translated those to English

[simple drum]

Thats pretty op

[thick coyote]

Mind you, those aren't final changes

[simple drum]

Im gonna get the dlc next week

[hardy wren]

Just cuz a over tuned weapon is getting nerf gives no justification to review bomb our beloved game

[dry bay]

Also difficulty has definitely been nerfed into the ground

It seems

Whether thats intentional or not idk

[simple drum]

Probably intentional

[dry bay]

It sucks

Cause its a snoozefest from Uprising to Auric

And even Auric is kinda easy

Even on high int

[simple drum]

They probably thought yall were gonna complain about not knowing how to play the game

But you guys are just saying its too easy

[nova thunder]

havoc exists

[dry bay]

Havoc is easy up to 30+

And even a good team on havoc makes it trivial

[hardy wren]

[nova thunder]

then half the game is finding a good team

[thick coyote]

It's nerfdivers all over again

[dry bay]

If they made it to where you weren't punished for losing a single havoc game. Havoc would be great

[modern bobcat]

Well the nerf in this case is completely unecessary, they'd be better off buffing the other weapons to be equally useful

[amber delta]

DT is getting review bombed for DS nerfs? I thought it was because arbites was pay2play

[inland mantle]

It's both

[dry bay]

DT players always have something to cry about

V2 players cried about WP nerf

[surreal ermine]

bro are we deadass saying dueling sword is fine or are we talking about something else

[dry bay]

DS is garbage

Bonk is better

[modern bobcat]

deadass fr

[thick coyote]

Bait used to be believable

[dry bay]

Dead ass no cap

[thick coyote]

🚬

[modern bobcat]

Duelling Sword would be fine if all other weapons were buffed to compete

then it wouldn't feel overtuned

[dry bay]

DS is a one trick pony

(Is this better)

[tacit geode]

It's like a few things and it came in sections
DS was first then the class

[thick coyote]

Nope

[inland mantle]

No duelling sowrd is just too broken dont buff everything to it's level

[modern bobcat]

It only seems broken because everything else is weaker

[inland mantle]

Or do no balls FS

[weary drum]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[inland mantle]

Im gonna assume your baiting...

[modern bobcat]

It's perception in this case

[simple drum]

Weaker is crazy

[modern bobcat]

No, not baiting

[simple drum]

Heavy sword can literally do the same thing

[thick coyote]

DS has good single target damage and while not having the best horde clear, it has a safe clear

[simple drum]

With the flick of a button

[hardy wren]

I will always propaganda the hammer

Thunder

[dry bay]

DS is only good for single target

[thick coyote]

With a really high mobility

[dry bay]

Thats it

[amber delta]

everything seems weaker only because DS is broken

[hardy wren]

Thunder hammer means ur a chad

[thick coyote]

It's legit akin to a generalist

Than an otp

[formal wharf]

rejects and weird space police people

i have question

[weary drum]

Buff DS :>

[nova thunder]

i would enjoy this game more with friends if fatshark didn't fuck up launch. None of them want to return

[modern bobcat]

I mean 🤷‍♂️ not at all because there are clearly trash tier weapons in the game

[formal wharf]

should i get a imperial fist space marine or ultramarine

[modern bobcat]

and trash tier weapon Mks

by this logic they should nerf any Weapon Mk or weapon that is clearly superior

[weary drum]

Its the trash tier weapons that break up the whimsy of using the DS all month in Havoc xD

[modern bobcat]

that's where this stuff leads ultimately

[formal wharf]

this is from joytoy btw (ACTION FIGURE NOT SLANEESH TOY)

[modern bobcat]

Pro-active changes like buffs and rebalancing are better than reactive changes like nerfs and removal

[inland mantle]

Dont lie to us

[formal wharf]

LOOK YOURSELF

YOU ACCUSE ME OF A CRIME YOU DONT EVEN UNDERSTAND YOURSELF

[inland mantle]

🧢

[formal wharf]

tbf that is just 40k crimes in a nutshell

[surreal ermine]

bro this is #crack-smoking-chat never in my life would i think id see people defending the DS rn

[hardy wren]

[modern bobcat]

Not defending the DS

[clever horizon]

how will they fix ds and plasma? 🤔

[modern bobcat]

Just prefer rebalance and bringing other things to level than nerfing something to uselessness

[hardy wren]

Buff thunder hammer again

[modern bobcat]

I mean look at Total War WH3, there were clear metas in TW WH2

so CA totally nerfed and destroyed themn

while doing nothing to improve other things

[surreal ermine]

yeah not nerfing stuff is how helldivers ended up in its current state of almost everything is a fucking joke

[modern bobcat]

Archers too good? Fuck archers

Knowledgable trait too good for wizards? Make it useless ... but don't add new traits to replace it

[clever horizon]

ds nerf just to see it never leave the public minds meta and still see it in every game

[modern bobcat]

Nerfs just make games less fun

DT isn't a competitive PVP e-sport game

[inland mantle]

So your a buff only kinda person?

[modern bobcat]

It's casual PVE

[surreal ermine]

nerfs are necessary for any live service game man, just because its pve doesn't mean balance doesn't matter

[modern bobcat]

Like who cares if I kill a Plague Ogryn 10 miliseconds earlier with a DS

[surreal ermine]

not nerfing fucks balance so badly

[modern bobcat]

than I could with a Thunder Hammer

[inland mantle]

Yea but TH needs skill to use or the boss smacks you away DS needs no skill to be good with

[surreal ermine]

DS is legit a spam weapon that requires no skill yet shitstomps everything in its path

[modern bobcat]

No, it just has a lower skill ceiling

[thick coyote]

When the dinky ass saber is better than the anti tank hammer

[modern bobcat]

having watched Ainz solo Twins on secret hard mode

[thick coyote]

😭

[modern bobcat]

I wouldn't say using the DS effectively takes "no skill"

[inland mantle]

?

[clever horizon]

just return ds to psyker only

[dry bay]

Relic blade better

And bigger

Therefore superior

[thick coyote]

Low Mobility

Needs proper combo knowledge

[dry bay]

Still bigger

And cooler

[thick coyote]

Still outperformed by Dueling Sword

[modern bobcat]

Zealot shouldn't have DS though at the very least

[dry bay]

Hey leave saltzpyre roleplayers alone

[modern bobcat]

Why it should be buffed to compete

[thick coyote]

Nope

Then you have no other reason to use no other melee on zealot

[dry bay]

Literally use relic blade

On zealot

[thick coyote]

It would be Relic Blade

[dry bay]

Or Thammer

[thick coyote]

Relic Blade

Relic Blade

Relic Blade

[dry bay]

Or taxe

[modern bobcat]

If they nerf Duelling Sword - what difficulty are they balancing these weapons around?

[dry bay]

Or crusher

[thick coyote]

Taxe is trash

[inland mantle]

Not really the weapon is broken no matter the class even pysker with a melee build is 2 shooting crushers in H40

[modern bobcat]

Are they being balanced around Havoc 40 or Sedition?

[dry bay]

Or knife and shroud

[thick coyote]

Don't you ever recommend taxe to me

[clever horizon]

😤

[thick coyote]

[modern bobcat]

And how many Crushers in a Crusher spawn on H40?

on average

[hardy wren]

Add more crushers

[modern bobcat]

how long can a psyker tank the crushers?

[thick coyote]

Damnation

[inland mantle]

Yea no you have to be baiting imma stop talking

[dry bay]

Block ---> stab with relic blade

Negates all crushers

[signal mason]

Yes

[thick coyote]

No need to tank lol

Just use your special

[hardy wren]

Buff thunder hammer

[thick coyote]

It staggers everything but bosses

[hardy wren]

Or even better
Give thunder hammer to ogryn

[clever horizon]

its just crushers for a whole wave

[modern bobcat]

No, I just don't see the point in nerfing something in a PVE game that is not competitive

[dry bay]

They should balance around uprising

[modern bobcat]

the game is meant to be casual

[dry bay]

And make all weapons terrible

[modern bobcat]

and accessible

[inland mantle]

See that has to bait like tf you talking about

FS games arent meant to be easy

[clever horizon]

i dont think this is correct

[surreal ermine]

balance doesnt matter because my epic elo score cant go up 😭 wtf is this man

[dry bay]

Havoc should be base difficulty

[spark plume]

Omfg I wish I recorded that. Going up an elevator and talking in VC, two people are facing into the elevator, as it gets to the next floor I see a crusher winding up an overhead and it knocks down 2 people through the door

[dry bay]

Or at least heresy

[modern bobcat]

They're not meant to be "easy", but they're not meant to be impossible either

[thick coyote]

Nope

[hardy wren]

That’s bait

[thick coyote]

Havoc is a shit show

[hardy wren]

Bait

Havoc is meant to be hard

[dry bay]

Yes I know

[modern bobcat]

Keep in mind I play Boar-spear Kruber mainly lol

[thick coyote]

It's balanced around Damnation

[dry bay]

Im obviously baiting

[clever horizon]

bro is in the wrong discord in his way to hell divers

[inland mantle]

Then play a lower difficulty like it's not that hard

[dry bay]

Should be auric

[hardy wren]

If u can’t handle a difficulty
Get better

[dry bay]

New update nerfed difficulty anyway

[rose pine]

Would prefer if Auric would be harder ngl.

[dry bay]

Its just damnation with a few more spawns

[modern bobcat]

All weapons should be similarly useful / balanced so that choosing a weapon is a tactical choice based on mission/enemy type and difficulty -----> He wants the game to be too easy

but I'm baiting lol ok?

[rose pine]

I mean, Damnation is just Heresy but with a few more spawns.

[dry bay]

Who

[inland mantle]

💀

[modern bobcat]

Like if you just want a nerf, you don't want balance

That's the whole point

[inland mantle]

Sure that's what I said

[dry bay]

Game should be gatekept

[modern bobcat]

And I said I just want to play on Sedition right?

[dry bay]

Havoc 40 base difficulty

[modern bobcat]

Not like... sitting play Auric Maelstroms for 3 hours earlier

[inland mantle]

Lmao ok man go off your like a brick wall

[modern bobcat]

or 3 havoc matches

[rose pine]

Give me the Mortis Trials experience
(8+ Monstrosities at a time) in Auric missions

[surreal ermine]

once again we are in #crack-smoking-chat wtf man

[dry bay]

Please

[inland mantle]

No fr

[modern bobcat]

Says the person who keeps responding to points with "You're baiting"

[hardy wren]

Buff thunder hammer and give it to ogryn

[modern bobcat]

Zoomer I'm guessing?

[dry bay]

I should feel like Im fighting a horde

[inland mantle]

Buff only crowd is a different breed man

[hardy wren]

[modern bobcat]

It's breed not beard

[thick coyote]

Same health as damnation

[dry bay]

Buff taxe

[inland mantle]

Didnt ask

[rose pine]

Let Ogryns use the normal Autoguns, but one in each hand.
When he runs out of ammo, throw it at the enemy, and pull another one up from their belt.

[inland mantle]

Already did

[hardy wren]

I’m baiting with the buff but in serious note
Ogryn should get big bonk

[modern bobcat]

I never said buff only, I said buffs are preferable to nerfs in most cases in PVE

[hardy wren]

That’s fucking awesome

[inland mantle]

Sure...

[modern bobcat]

It's not a competitive PVP game

[surreal ermine]

nerfing the dueling sword is fundamentally the same thing as buffing everything else up to its level, except the enemies end up getting absolutely buttfucked because they arent changed to compensate
it makes the game a joke

[rose pine]

It'd be silly AF, but it'd be funny.

[dry bay]

Nerf all weapons and make the combat knife the strongest

[rose pine]

Knife Zealot.

[thick coyote]

It's the second strongest

[modern bobcat]

Ok, are you going to use any Ogryn Bully Club except Brunt's / MK 3?

[dry bay]

Should be number 1

[modern bobcat]

In any situation?>

[thick coyote]

(not fully true)

But hey

[dry bay]

London simulator

[modern bobcat]

Why have weapon Mks if one Mk is superior to all others in all situations

[dry bay]

A shouty scottsman

[thick coyote]

Zealot giving a finesse multiplier of 8 to knife is definitely unhealthy

[dry bay]

With a knife

[thick coyote]

[stone ice]

Havoc is as fun as dragging your nuts across sandpaper, and this seems to apply to most people cause before the update no one touched the gamemode

[surreal ermine]

dude what the fuck do any other weapons have to do with the dueling sword being too strong
yes some other weapons suck, that doesnt mean the DS isnt broken

[inland mantle]

Same could said for DS tf you on about

[modern bobcat]

Nerfing DS just means there will be a new meta

[surreal ermine]

there will literally always be a meta

[modern bobcat]

and then there will need to be another nerf

Yes, so what you're saying is you want them to nerf this meta ... then you'll whine that the next meta should be nerfed

[rose pine]

Think the general issue is that it gives so much mobility, that it doesn't just make itself stand out, but it's a direct 'overtune' issue compared to other weapons.

[lunar elbow]

Is excise vault gone from the mission board again?

[rose pine]

Why would I get a Melee weapon that handicaps me, when I could take the one that gives me more mobility than anything.

[inland mantle]

It's in havoc not sure about norm board

[modern bobcat]

May be off rotation

They listed maps in current rotation on one of the release notes blogs

[rose pine]

Would personally prefer that other weapons would just get a buff, as it's a PvE game.

Do it the Dota 2 way, not the League way

[surreal ermine]

"you want one thing nerfed so you will want anything good nerfed!" come on man this is just jumping to conclusions

[thick coyote]

No correlation

[modern bobcat]

Which is ... what you have been doing ?

[dry bay]

This has been entertaining but I should probably actually start working

[rose pine]

Get to work boss' money is good.

[surreal ermine]

real tbh

[dry bay]

Ive been clocked in since 7 reading this chat

And baiting

Its been a long day

[modern bobcat]

"I think it's preferable to balance everything to a given level so that players have to make actual choices rather than slavishly following a meta" -> "you just want to buff everything"

🤷‍♂️

[inland mantle]

Mans will die on the DS not being broken OP hill

Good for him tho

[modern bobcat]

Again, whether it's "broken" or not is your perception of it

I use other weapons if I want to