general-chat

[long sigil]

true

[oblique mauve]

Which sucks cause I think melee combat is more chunky in that game

[stark bobcat]

VT is a better game in almost every regard

[oak stream]

I said that on the vermintide 2 discord and people said that they prefer that.

[stark bobcat]

DT regressed

[little kettle]

I think Vermintide 1 is now on Gamepass

[oblique mauve]

With how less often you shoot in that game

[long sigil]

give more effort to darktide fishy

please

[stuck wasp]

VT2 is still getting updates, there will be a dlc in 2026 (weapon pack), and there are still maps in plans.
There is a new game in (pre)-production, unknown if it will be a tide game, and if it will be about warhammer

[long sigil]

why still update

[oak stream]

I agree that darktide regressed, but it has better quality of life changes than vermintide 2. Gameplay wise, and cosmetic wise, and content wise the game has fully regressed.

[long sigil]

there's no asia player

[stuck wasp]

Different teams, doesn't matter

[tender harbor]

so the shot pistol and shield is in the melee slot, with the shock baton as well its not a primary firearm that means it works kinda possibly by swapping between them for the special action maybe? but then i wonder if it has two because of it charging meter.

[thick fog]

Only 6 months away

[oblique mauve]

DT has infinitely better progression

[stark bobcat]

no

not really

[thick coyote]

Ah yes
Soon™

[long sigil]

darktide good

[little kettle]

I like sci fi more than fantasy

[stuck wasp]

Both are good

[oblique mauve]

The changes they made for weapons and talents progression are godsend

[long sigil]

but

VT2 is old

old men should be rest

[stuck wasp]

It's 6 year old, there're still stuff planned.
When VT2 stop development its team will be moved to a new project, not DT

[oak stream]

I agree that the progression system kind of sucks with the amount of penances and special things you have to do to unlock certain things. Though I do prefer the weapon upgrade system over vermintides random chance bs.

[long sigil]

wow

[thick coyote]

Me to my gramps right after he suplexes a bear

[little kettle]

I can't help but feel like VT is loved by Fat Shark more than DT

[stuck wasp]

Dt also will be updated for more than 5+ years

[little kettle]

Hopefully that means more drip

[long sigil]

ye

[quartz chasm]

Imagine EAC added in Darktide

[stuck wasp]

No, VT2 had the same problems for years, you're just looking at the game now which is has had all the time to sort most of its problems

[oblique mauve]

I feel like the 40k clout could bring them more audience retention

[quartz chasm]

Darktide got still more content last 2 years

With massive inventory overhaul

Talent changes

[oblique mauve]

Like generally there's been more 40k games then Warhammer Fantasy

[long sigil]

vt2 has no subtitle and user made subtitle is not allowed official

[little kettle]

Still waiting for them to add a sniper rifle

[long sigil]

why no kr text

[stuck wasp]

And the fantasy games have largely been better than the 40k ones

[quartz chasm]

That would break this entire game

[oblique mauve]

People are more familiar with 40k than famtasy

[quartz chasm]

💀

[stuck wasp]

Longlas may be planed, but imo doesn't match a tide game

[oak stream]

i wish we had a bigger and better talent system for vermintide 2. Though with how the game functions it can't be the size of darktide or the players might be too op.

[oblique mauve]

I have yet to play total Warhammer

[quartz chasm]

Vermintide 3 might not happen unless new engine

[long sigil]

my friend leave vt2

no kr text

[stuck wasp]

Easy anti cheat is already in darktide, just at minimum level

[thick coyote]

Still no Total War 40k

[stuck wasp]

ask on the forum

[thick coyote]

[oblique mauve]

I thought vermintide has good modding scene?

[stuck wasp]

Rumours say it's planned

[long sigil]

another kr guy did

but no

[quartz chasm]

My Verm 2 works slow with the eac update

[stuck wasp]

Next project is in UE5

[little kettle]

In what way? You're saying you don't want to quickscope some heretics?

[stuck wasp]

Doesn't matter

[quartz chasm]

Even i got my graphics lowered

[jovial pine]

i think it's turned off

so doesnt even do anything

[oak stream]

That's another gripe I have with vermintide 2. They lock addons behind an eac wall and they never approve all of the 91 mods that are currently in waiting for application.

[quartz chasm]

Vampire Saltzpyre would been too funny

[long sigil]

and user made kr subtitle is not allowed

[stuck wasp]

In the way that if I want to quickscope i'm using a Revolver, a dedicated sniper would be difficult to make work

[thick fog]

If I dont see the EAC window loading while booting then is all good for me

[long sigil]

if i play with subtitle in vt2

cant lv up

funny game

[oak stream]

I personally use the addon Weapon Expansions. Gives plenty of scope options and it has worked for me perfectly.

[long sigil]

팻샤크는 뭐 먹고 뚱뚱해진거냐

[long sigil]

What did Fatshark eat to get fat?

[stuck wasp]

But doesn't make it in a dedicated sniper

Skavens

[little kettle]

They can figure it out

[thick coyote]

30 Seconds To Mars - The Kill starts playing in the background

[oak stream]

No, but it definately helps with sniping far away targets with a lasgun.

[quartz chasm]

i hate eac so much

cause it makes games slower

[stuck wasp]

But you still are able to deal with closeby targets, now if you have a Longlas, it's less able to do so while being way better at longer ranges

[little kettle]

I don't care if something doesn't 'make sense' or 'fit', if its probably going to be fun to use, then I'd like to have it

[thick coyote]

🎵 Come, break me down 🎶

[oak stream]

Those 91 addons for vermintide 2 have been waiting for approval for like 5 years.

[quartz chasm]

Cant even play verm 2 modded lol

[little kettle]

Id post the gif but I don't have perms :(

[oak stream]

It's so bad that one guy made an addon for third person and weapons on your back for cosmetic purposes, and they never approved it for so many years he stopped working on the mod.

Like they couldn't at least deny it to give him some clarity. They just left it in limbo.

Idk who's in charge of the vermintide 2 workshop, but they are lazy af.

[long sigil]

true

allow some damn subtitle

[oak stream]

There's a korean subtitle addon but has yet to be approved I think.

[long sigil]

many kr guys asked for it

but they not did

even darktide can talk kr chat

There are Korean subtitles, but you mean I have to copy and paste the Korean chat?

[oak stream]

yep there's 2 addons korean chat, and unofficial korean chat. There's even one that adds support for all languages. Never got approved, been sitting in limbo for who knows how long.

[long sigil]

슬프다

[oak stream]

Surprised the warden's haven't tried to crack down on this griping.

[long sigil]

ye

[stuck wasp]

We're not in the Helldiver discord

You're allowed to complain

[long sigil]

lol

[oak stream]

Fair.

[stuck wasp]

As long as it's not just shitflinging

[long sigil]

complain make game healthy

i think

but

[oak stream]

Makes us healthy. complaining about this shit to other people relieves some of the insanity.

[long sigil]

this is useless i guess

[cosmic burrow]

unless youre member of the whiniest bitches on the planet

i.e helldivers discord

[stuck wasp]

It certainly can help make a game better, but some complaints are better just ignored 💀

[long sigil]

i am going clean my room

fat shark dead

smell fishy smell

bad smell

[oak stream]

Dead Shark.

Would be funny if the game ever goes under, they replace the logo with an undead shark.

Though I hope if it does they at least allow some freelance work. The game could use some free will after the corporate restrictions.

[stuck wasp]

If it's a GW games, probably not 💀

[oak stream]

Yep... Probably not.

[tender harbor]

the shield has an explosive shock along with the shot pistol lets go and its in the extended gameplay shown off

[stuck wasp]

And I wouldn't worry about FS atm, they're still growing (More than doubled since the time of VT1)

[oak stream]

Yet they still can't fix their shit, or add more content that people actually want.

[stuck wasp]

Cause making stuff take a lot of time, and the tide games aren't easy to make 🤷

[oblique mauve]

Having a character like Bardin's third subclass could be fun honestly

[oak stream]

I hope to god they put these next 5 years into consideration and pull some overtime.

[oblique mauve]

Have 2 melee

Or

2 ranged

[oak stream]

I want a game mode where you can play only bardin but all 4 classes.

Like we got repeat persona's in darktide, gimme that in vermintide 2.

[oblique mauve]

It would go nuts tbh

Bardin phalanx

[stuck wasp]

They've previously said that as DT is more ranged focused (50/50), a melee only character didn't work (though could see it work with a rosarius), and a ranged only would not work in a tide game 💀

[stuck wasp]

No ?

Like DT is developing at a regular speed, it's fine, you have to learn to be more patient

[thick fog]

Is it me or just noticed the new map released for VT2, theres new characters that sound like the dreamer and german like psyker VAs?

[stuck wasp]

It's not america, Crunch isn't seen as good

[cosmic burrow]

fatshark aint blizzard

[oak stream]

Like what I mean is they better make the most of it. Otherwise if the next two years we get nothing but shit, people will of course still play it but if they expect to make a lasting impression "company wise" they'll need to pull out some good shit.

[cosmic burrow]

also vacation season is comming

[thick fog]

2 month Swedish summer vacation

No more patches and hotfixes

[long sigil]

swedish life good

i hope my life good

[stuck wasp]

The exact same things were said for VT2 in its time, it won't change

[long sigil]

f

[oak stream]

So what you're telling me is we're fucked?

[cosmic burrow]

no

[stuck wasp]

No, we're fine, just have to learn to accept it and be patient

[cosmic burrow]

fatshark make update a quarter

not 3 updates a month

[long sigil]

fat fishy should hire some indian or china man

[cosmic burrow]

big update*

[cosmic burrow]

they are already under tencent

[long sigil]

what????

[oak stream]

Like don't get me wrong, vermintide 2 is stable, but it has so much more potential, and comparing it to darktide and it's quality of life changes. I can only play one match in vermintide and then I have to take a break.

[long sigil]

damn china

u again?

[stuck wasp]

Tencent backing them really didn't change anything

[cosmic burrow]

yeah

[oak stream]

I should honestly stop playing darktide, and get used to the feel of vermintide's random bs.

[long sigil]

china makes korea dusty

[cosmic burrow]

why?

[long sigil]

and force to go army

[stuck wasp]

Vt2 doesn't really have much potential still, engine wise and character wise

[long sigil]

curse u china

i dont wanna go

[stuck wasp]

Like maps/missions yes
Career no
Weapon, stretching the limit for Bardin tbh
Enemies, faction no, lord maybe

[jovial pine]

china #1

[oak stream]

Those are two very specific things that I of course was not talking about. Though you of course didn't know that. I meant they could add what I suggested earlier. Allow a game mode to play 4 of the same character but restrict it to where everyone has to play a different class.

[long sigil]

#1 tresh size

stop making cheap thing

it make korea warm

cant play darktide

[oak stream]

Can't have 2 mercenaries, of course.

[long sigil]

my pc getting damn hot

[stuck wasp]

No ? That wouldn't work 'lorewise', so they wouldn't allow it out of mods

[oblique mauve]

1 guy needs to buy dlc now

[jovial pine]

china global warm korea, korea hot

[long sigil]

dumn

[stuck wasp]

Like it's the same dude doing missions with different kits

[long sigil]

not funny

not cool

[delicate vapor]

🤫

[jovial pine]

im sorry bro i dont mean to actually make you upset, just kidding.

[long sigil]

ye

my room temp is 31c

and getting hotter

and it will 40c

me getting steamed

[oak stream]

Well either way, they don't have anyone managing their addons for the workshop. So of course no ones going to make a mod for it.

[cosmic burrow]

those temps kill in europe

[sullen robin]

[lethal solstice]

Do they know?

[long sigil]

and winter temp is -15

[oblique mauve]

Are the numbers after some of you guys' username in game friend code or something?

[long sigil]

real hell

[cosmic burrow]

yes

[stuck wasp]

There is already mods for multiple of the same career or character ?

[long sigil]

but

good thing is

bug is small

[oak stream]

Yes, I've mentioned it several times in their discord a couple years ago that they should be more on top of that. Though they said it isn't a priority, and idk when the fuck it will be.

[cosmic burrow]

preferable for my Polish ass

[long sigil]

my room air sucks

my window position is worst

[lethal solstice]

Not what I meant at all there have been mods for multiple of a class/career per lobby for ages

[long sigil]

no wind

[thick fog]

me everytime wanna play VT2 again, but forget the tedious rng grind and crafting, janky stuff and lack of dopamine sounds

[cosmic burrow]

my rooms window is set to the south

[long sigil]

damn

[south jetty]

OILED UP AND FLEXING... In the name of the Omnissiah 🙏⚙️

[cosmic burrow]

but with blinds temp rises from my lizards terarium and puter

[oak stream]

There's only one, and it allows you to have 32 players in one match so they probably won't approve it because they have a deny option, and the person never put it on the approval list. And I'm not playing the modded realm since you don't get rewards, it makes playing the game not worth your time.

[long sigil]

my rabbit gonna die. it damn hot

[jovial pine]

it 26.6C in my room

[cosmic burrow]

food

[long sigil]

so i have to turn airc

[jovial pine]

china to blame

[long sigil]

what ever

nooo

[lethal solstice]

Asks for mods
Doesn’t play modded realm
???????

[safe plank]

Hey hey everyone! 😇

[lethal solstice]

Lobotomy behavior

[long sigil]

ye

[oak stream]

The point is they have an application for mods, and they never approve or deny them.

[stuck wasp]

There was one that unlocked weapons restriction and character restriction, they've already said they wouldn't make it base game nor normal realm mod.

[elder merlin]

[long sigil]

moist is 64

so steam

[elder merlin]

Watched that new predator movie, wqs pretty good

[long sigil]

my rabbits getting melt

[stuck wasp]

Is it the one with the Viking ?

[jovial pine]

holy crapoli 64% humidity is crazy

[oak stream]

I saw that one. wasn't a fan of it to begin with, but my main gripe is the lack of management on the workshop. Like the 3rd person mod is bloody dead and the modder stopped production on it. It's been waiting in approval for several years.

[long sigil]

winter is good

[elder merlin]

Viking, Samurai and Pilot. Yes

[jovial pine]

winter is much better than summer, especially if it doesnt snow

[oak stream]

I shouldn't have to tell them to do their job. They should at least take a peak at their own workshop from time to time.

But now I'm getting too aggressive on the subject, so I'm going to stop talking about it.

[stuck wasp]

They're not doing any approval anymore iirc, they've done 2 or 3 rounds, and iirc the person that did it stopped after problems due to a mod doing stuff after being approved.

[long sigil]

8 day remain

[stuck wasp]

Most that can happen are mods being taken and implemented in the game as base, which did happen a couple of times (and here too)

[long sigil]

damn 8 day

with hot temp and 64 moist

[oak stream]

Like that just sounds like refusing to manage their own system that they built. Darktide seems to do well with managing their mods.

[south jetty]

moist

[long sigil]

new dlc class is gonna be so nice

[oak stream]

Problems are of course going to arise with mods being accepted, but that's why you manage them.

[jovial pine]

we call it humidity

[lethal solstice]

(They just don’t manage their mods at all because the modders agreed to client side only)

[tender harbor]

well i couldn't find any more small details in the extended gameplay sad

[long sigil]

me not good at English

[jovial pine]

it's okay, we understand

[long sigil]

just say like ogryn

[jovial pine]

chinese kinda is like that since it lacks articles or whatever

[long sigil]

tbh just talk kr text

[jovial pine]

idk if korean is like that too

[long sigil]

ye

[oak stream]

That I didn't know. Though they still have people applying for approval and they even said so themselves that it is not a priority.

[south jetty]

apparently Korean is easy to learn how to read

[silver mango]

Yep

[jovial pine]

just say word without connect word or conjugationing

[south jetty]

they done designed it that way

[long sigil]

can i say

[south jetty]

yeag

[long sigil]

덥다

존나 덥다고

[jovial pine]

we dont know what this means

[long sigil]

더워죽겠는데 기다리라는건 너무 잔인한 처사다

살려줘

[silver mango]

He's saying it's fuck-ass hot

[jovial pine]

wtf

[lethal solstice]

Darktide mods having literally zero approval process is quite nice

[jovial pine]

you know korean?

[south jetty]

gongle translate

[long sigil]

내가 한국인이니깐 그러지

[stuck wasp]

There is no applying for approval in DT

[delicate vapor]

indeed

[jovial pine]

yeah he's saying it's hot

[lethal solstice]

Because as long as its client side you can just push it to nexus and download it whenever

[long sigil]

더워 덥다고 컴터 뜨거워서 겜도 못하겠어

[silver mango]

I'm burning to death overhere and waiting is just too cruel

Help me

[long sigil]

살려ㅑ줘

[oak stream]

I'm talking about vermintide 2.

[silver mango]

It's so hot I can't even play games

Help me

[oak stream]

Darktide doesn't even have a workshop. Vermintide does.

[jovial pine]

darktide is better this way

[long sigil]

true

[silver mango]

The path to machine enlightenment has many perks

[long sigil]

i want drink baja blast

[oak stream]

Though since I now know that there is some kind of agreement between the modders and the devs for vermintide. I'll stop talking about it.

[long sigil]

no baja blast in korea

[jovial pine]

holy crap korea is doomed...

[long sigil]

amazon baja blast is damn delivery cost

[silver mango]

Yeah the birth rate means we're fucked more than a college freshman in a frat party

[jovial pine]

and no baja blast??

[long sigil]

i hate go to army

[stuck wasp]

(Just that VT2's mods aren't all client sided, which is where @lethal solstice was saying that about DT)

[long sigil]

country force to go army

[silver mango]

I don't have to do military service

[oak stream]

I thought most of the ones that are allowed were client side?

[long sigil]

wow

[elder merlin]

Atleast you have darktide

[oak stream]

i know darktide has it's own modded realm as well.

[jovial pine]

no it doesnt

[lethal solstice]

It does not

[jovial pine]

darktide just exists

[long sigil]

noo i have to go 1 year and 6 month

[stuck wasp]

The one that have been were approved were, most of those that aren't haven't been approved and remain in the modded realm

[oak stream]

There are mods that won't work on darktide so I guess it's some kind of eac system?

[lethal solstice]

What

[elder merlin]

There is only the dark and the tide, no mods

[silver mango]

The m in darktide stands for mods

[long sigil]

no mod darktide

me too

[oak stream]

Am I high, or are you all fucking with me?

[long sigil]

no

[silver mango]

Have you considered both

[long sigil]

just low understand English

[molten matrix]

what.

[lethal solstice]

Darktide doesn’t have an anticheat

[molten matrix]

darktide doesnt have modded realms

[oak stream]

Like there are a few mods that require you to do some special shit and they only work in single player.

[molten matrix]

just clientside mods

[lethal solstice]

Yeah those are the serverside mods that FS doesn’t like

[stuck wasp]

VT2: Modded realm, mods that aren't client sided aren't approved for official realm, but remain in the modded realm for you to use
DT: no modded realm, mods are only allowed if they're client sided only.

[molten matrix]

you mean the solo mod and creature spawner?

[long sigil]

i see scorebord mod

[oak stream]

Yeah that.

[long sigil]

it look good

it should be official

[jovial pine]

some mods arent on nexus. some such mods may be outright cheating tier

[south jetty]

no but I'm high, good night

[molten matrix]

theyre both allowed cause they dont affect anyone and you cant get rewards from them

[elder merlin]

Zehahaha

[long sigil]

me burninf

me steamed like crab

[stuck wasp]

And don't connect to the server (Psykanium is offline per se

[molten matrix]

yuppers

[jovial pine]

get a fan and put it near the door to your room, open the door. outside of your room will be cooler. your computer makes your room especially hot

[oak stream]

yes but is that because the modders did that, or because darktide has some kind of system that prevents them from working online. This is why I thought they probably have like a semi-modded realm because those mods exist.

[long sigil]

with fan

i turned fan

[molten matrix]

theres barely any cheaters so fatshark just turned off easy anticheat

[long sigil]

but too hot

[jovial pine]

fan near outside room?

[molten matrix]

modders did that

[long sigil]

i should turn 에어컨

[inland mantle]

Tbf if your cheating in a PvE game that's a level below sad

[long sigil]

에어컨이 뭔지 모름

[stuck wasp]

With help from Lopus (FS dev)

[jovial pine]

air conditioning

[long sigil]

icefan?

[jovial pine]

is what you are saying

[lethal solstice]

Hacking doesn’t even work well in Darktide

[long sigil]

yea

[oak stream]

Like the only "cheating" i've done is use the weapon expansion mod to add scopes so i can aim farther.

[long sigil]

i should too turn

[molten matrix]

there were some few that used aimbot or XP exploits

[lethal solstice]

Aimbot will not fix a mechanical skill issue

[long sigil]

my rabbits are getting melt

[molten matrix]

that isnt cheating

[jovial pine]

[oak stream]

yes but it isn't an intended function which can be seen as cheating.

[inland mantle]

Ah yes my lv6000 is legit dont mind me

[molten matrix]

fatshark doesnt mind the weapon customization mod

[stuck wasp]

Seeing aim bots active on melee combat was funny though

[stuck wasp]

As it's client sided

[lethal solstice]

Scopes make it harder to aim all real engagements that aren’t shootouts are within 30 meters

[jovial pine]

"cheating" is very subjective when mods let us do so many things

[molten matrix]

a very very few are legit

[lethal solstice]

Generic reflex sights are good enough

[molten matrix]

dotnl has lvl 10k but hes a pub speedrunner so we wont take him seriously

[inland mantle]

Idk anything past 5k even 4k I dont buy but that's just me

Unless all you play is auric then maybe

[oak stream]

Weapon customization should be a feature of the game, at least the part that allows you to switch specialties. I'd like to switch my flashlight on my lasgun to a bayonet.

[jovial pine]

probably will be one day

[stuck wasp]

Was meant to, had to be cancelled and won't happen

[jovial pine]

the fact it's possible means that they just have to do a bit of work behind the scenes to make it truly work. since their mission in life is to spend time making features and placate us so we keep buying fomo stuff then it makes sense they'd go after a feature they already partially have

[oak stream]

They already did that with the different mark systems. Though that doesn't confirm specialty switches, only model changes.

[jovial pine]

unless they for some reason are philosophically/game design-wise against attachments

[stuck wasp]

Maybe fixes for the new shield weapons, or Dual weapons maybe

[molten matrix]

maybe

we already have a dual weapon in the form of slab shield

[elder merlin]

The only cheats i use are for extra rashuns

[oak stream]

Dual weaponry would be limited since dual chainswords seems more like a liability than an actual function. You have a better chance of hurting yourself unless one of them was a chain knife.

[stuck wasp]

Ye, but model wise, the shield is just 1 piece iirc, you don't have multiple pieces arranged into the shape of a weapon

[elder merlin]

What about two chainswords taped together?

[stuck wasp]

It's 40k

Like that doesn't matter

[oak stream]

Shrug sounds odd, but could work.

[jovial pine]

dual force swords

[elder merlin]

Dual knifes for loner zealots

[stuck wasp]

Like lorewise there are Chain flails.
Flails where the head is covered with rows of Chain saw blades

[oak stream]

I mean they already don't care about the rejects safety, so I guess they could allow dual chainswords, but as I said it would be dangerous to wield since one wrong move when dual wielding two chainsaws can end badly.

Wielding one allows you to manuever your body better.

[stuck wasp]

It's a game 🤷
And it's 40k, so really shouldn't stop FS/GW from allowing it

[dusty bramble]

they saw helldivers do it and realized they gotta lock in

[oak stream]

I don't make the lore so Idk what's viable and what isn't but lore shit has stopped them from making shit before.

[thick fog]

Use rock and it will be viable

[molten matrix]

they could easily use the vt2 flail animations

[oak stream]

Yes, but I don't think there's even a flail option for a power weapon.

though a regular weapon, sure.

[stuck wasp]

Dual chain weapons have been seen in official arts

[dusty bramble]

I’m still holding out hope for a power axe

[oak stream]

yes, but for the guard or for space marines? Because those are two very different things.

[dusty bramble]

or catachan dueling glaive

[molten matrix]

a vet glaive woud be cool

[dusty bramble]

you said you didn’t forget vet and new weapons for him fatshark, where are they.

[molten matrix]

but i want a powerfist first

[stuck wasp]

There are, and even more so with the comprehension that any RL weapon exist in most of the following: Mono Edge, Chain, Shock, Power, Sonic and Force

[oak stream]

They said they won't add powerfist because you actually can't sheath it or take it off and wield another weapon while using it. Though I'm not against only being able to use sidearms when wielding a powerfist.

[dusty bramble]

my reasoning is to finish off the two handed weapons for every class
Ogryn: Pickaxe
Zealot: Power greatsword
Psyker: Force greatsword
Vet: Catachan dueling glaive

it would be perfect

[oak stream]

Alright, than I have no argument. I just said it seems dangerous for a normal human to wield it. Though if 40k has it already then I have 0 argument.

[stuck wasp]

Add hunting lance for the Vet

[molten matrix]

fatshark will figure it out

have the power suply for the fist be integrated into the weapon

[cosmic burrow]

i think vet wont get any 2h melee

[dusty bramble]

They absolutely will

[molten matrix]

the powerfist is meant for short uses otherwise your nerves will slowly be destroyed from the displacer field thats always active

[oak stream]

That's already a thing for most weapons in dawn of war. If you look at the mini's all power weapons have battery packs but they decided not to add them because it'd be a lot of model and animation rigging.

[stuck wasp]

If there are some that make sense to be added to the Vet, they probably will.
Hence Catachan Glaives, and maybe Hunting Lance

[oak stream]

And of course I mean this for the guard not for the space marines.

[cosmic burrow]

you dont have to convince me. if they get i wont complain

[stuck wasp]

Then you have the problem of being cross compatible with the other weapons

[dusty bramble]

it’s kind of a bummer we’re only getting Arbites and some map fixes as the big update, like a new class is incredible, but it’s kinda a bummer for those that don’t want a class or aren’t interesting

[molten matrix]

guh

[oak stream]

Cross compatible how?

Like I ask this stupid question because you make it sound negative.

Like how is it a problem?

I'm dumb so bare with me.

[stuck wasp]

Like if you have a Power fist integrated with a weapon, you then need to do it for all weapons.
Otherwise you're restricted to Power Fist + specific (So no Power fist + Lasgun/Autogun/Revolver/Plasma...)

[molten matrix]

what?

[stuck wasp]

Maybe having 1h Pistol + Power fist could work, as they could give it equipping animations

[molten matrix]

if its integrated with a power suply you dont need a backpack for it

i havent talked about bolter fists at all

[oak stream]

They could make it to where you have the powerfist lowered when using the side arm. So the system is still viable.

[dusty bramble]

i feel we should just accept power fist won’t happen

[oak stream]

Then you lower your side arm to switch to the powerfist.

[elder oasis]

if its a fist with a gun in it like calgars then it could work exactly like the grenade gauntlet

[stuck wasp]

Oh in that sense yes, there are 'lighter' pattern of Power fist that don't really have visible power sources but there still the equipping/unequipping animation that seem to be a problem

[oak stream]

Problem is there are no imperial guard patterns that I know of. The most that a guardsman has gotten is the Power Gauntlets and from what I read there are only 2 or 3 in existance and only limited to generals.

[elder oasis]

actually i suppose any ranged melee hybrid could work like the grenade gauntlet

just instead of bracing, you just lift the pistol up

[molten matrix]

you twist the gauntlet at your elbow and you pull it off

and you put it on twist the elbow and its equiped

let it have a slow pullout like bolter

[dusty bramble]

if we’re worried about lore, don’t be, power greatswords are considered relics and scarcely provided

yet our rejects have their hands on them

[oak stream]

bro did you read the power greatsword? It's called a relic blade you dingus.

[obtuse oak]

We should always be worried about lore

[elder oasis]

or you surgically attach an ork power klaw to your body.... wait thats yarrick

[stuck wasp]

DoW has one, Powerfist+Shock Gauntlet+Bolter attachment

[obtuse oak]

GW is fickle and capricious lol

[dusty bramble]

That is true

[stuck wasp]

And Relic Power Sword aren't the same thing as the SM ones

[elder oasis]

GW is fickle with details, but rarity doesnt seem to be a huge factor

[dusty bramble]

that’s why we can’t have naked rejects

[elder oasis]

relic blades are very rare

[dusty bramble]

i never said they were ?

[obtuse oak]

I was also surprised that the Relic Blade name made it into the game, but they're just as well known for being anal about seemingly way more mundane lore details

[molten matrix]

ogryn autocannon

[stuck wasp]

THe Relic Blade is just ones that Crusader uses

[molten matrix]

games workshop getting anal to saber about the armor of an ankle

[obtuse oak]

Fair, that could've been the argument

[oak stream]

When there's only 3 in existance then it becomes a lore issue. The reason we get access to relic blades is because we are the inquisition and have access to pretty much every regiment and every weapon they get access too, and as Heretic just said the relic blade is used by the crusaders.

[elder oasis]

still quite rare regardless, not a common weapon to be sure

[molten matrix]

games workshop has been getting more lax so players can enjoy stuff more

[modern bobcat]

you should see how anal they are about booty armour

[stuck wasp]

Ye, but the rarer weapons we get are the Force stuff

[molten matrix]

like sm2 making it so champion armor parts can be used freely at a later date

[stuck wasp]

Like some of them are from Deimos, the Forge World that does stuff for the GK

[oak stream]

Deimos pattern stuff is great.

[obtuse oak]

Oh shit is that the Martian moon Deimos? I never made that connection

[modern bobcat]

Ogryn could kill a Grey Knight with the rock

[dusty bramble]

this was genuinely shocking to hear

[molten matrix]

kez really wanted to know how in gods name we ever got access to nemesis weapons

[stuck wasp]

Yes, but not orbiting Mars anymore, it got moved to what ever planet the GK use

[obtuse oak]

aren't they from Titan?

[oak stream]

Space Marine 2 hits differently, but I haven't played it recently. I should get back into it.

[elder oasis]

tbf gauntlet mounted guns arent actually only 3 in existence..... for fists maybe but just in general its a bit more common

[stuck wasp]

Nemesis weapons ?

[jovial pine]

GW should just put like a little "non-lore" moniker or something onto things if they really want to maintain lore friendliness but have options

[molten matrix]

only in 40k can you tell people that you moved a moon factory

[molten matrix]

the force swords are all nemesis weapons from grey knights

[jovial pine]

force hammer when

[oak stream]

Those are only the guard pattern power gauntlets, no all fist weapons are only 3 in existance. I'm talking about the power gauntlets used by Lukas Alexander. His gauntlets are the rarest type, and from what I read there are only 3 in existance, and 1 of them the Lord Castellan has access to.

[elder oasis]

force staves in the lore are deadly melee weapons and ours just do a little bonk smh

[obtuse oak]

nemesis force swords are not the same thing as regular force swords

[molten matrix]

A daemonhammer would be so badass for psykers to get

[stuck wasp]

No ? Nemesis pattern only exist in SM grade, and are a much higher grade than ours

[oak stream]

It'd be given to the zealot if anything.

[tender harbor]

I'm calling it the shotgun shoots a explosive shot im betting it

[elder oasis]

i think they mean the names our have might match marks used by GK but im not sure thats true so idk

[lapis tusk]

Is there a level requirement for mortis?

[stuck wasp]

Force Hammer using Biolighting, Hammer hand and Telekine weapons as base so that I can role play as Thor

[stuck wasp]

Deamonhammer are 2h Force Hammer...

[jovial pine]

zealot cant use force stuff

[oak stream]

Are they? But gabriel angelos still has one.

[obtuse oak]

lvl 13

[oak stream]

Unless we're saying Gabriel Angelos is a latent psyker.

[jovial pine]

probably is

[obtuse oak]

pcgamer article already mentioned the shotgun special attack, it's a shock round

[molten matrix]

Gabriel angelos is just built and can use a daemonhammer without psychic abilities

Remember its still a hammer

[stuck wasp]

They often have both Power and force component.

[tender harbor]

dang

[oak stream]

I guess, but that makes sense why the inquisitor could use it in dow1 since he was a psyker.

would be funny if they added human pattern power armor for specialty missions.

[oak stream]

like specific new ones in the future.

[elder oasis]

well technically its not like a non psyker cant swing them, but without pumping psychic energy into it you dont get the cool effects

in 5th edition it gave you instant death

just one shot whatever you wound

unless it was immune

[stuck wasp]

next Zel weapon should be a Vindictor Flamer

[elder oasis]

i really want a flamer melee hybrid

[molten matrix]

2 handed power axe chainaxe

Bend the rules a bit and let vet use power axe

[oak stream]

I had to mod dow campaign to make the daemon hammer do more damage to demons. Since they count as monstrous units I had to add daemon as an armor category, add it to the daemons as a secondary armor type, and then add the armor pentration/damage type to the daemon hammer in dow1. A lot of coding work.

[stuck wasp]

Bend what rule ?

[molten matrix]

To my knowledge astra militarum doesnt use power axes

[tender harbor]

wait where does it mention it?

[elder oasis]

thats funny they didnt think to include it in the base game

[stuck wasp]

They have in 30k, and they still do, even if we have no mini for them in 40k

[molten matrix]

OH

So that means....

[stuck wasp]

The Navy Breacher also have them in mini form

[elder oasis]

yeah guard have access to all the basic power weapons

but the models stick to swords generally for the vibe

[stuck wasp]

Oh wait there is a Commissar with a Power Axe in the mini with the Cadian lady from SM1

[obtuse oak]

Remote Detonation comes with a side of electricity, as do the class's melee weapons, and clicking the side-button on your mouse loads the arbites shotgun with an electrocution round. It's fun to be the guy who just tases everyone.

[hidden trout]

i dont remember where it is but i can confirm thats what they have

[obtuse oak]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/darktides-first-dlc-class-gets-a-cybernetic-dog-who-is-a-very-good-boy-and-will-arrive-alongside-a-free-update-that-structures-missions-in-a-campaign-at-long-last/

[tender harbor]

thats a blitz tho

[hidden trout]

im also in a game rn so lol im not gonna find it

[oak stream]

What's funny is daemon is an armor category in soulstorm I believe, but from what I recall it is unused because daemons still count as monstrous units and their secondary armor is a type of infantry or heavy infantry which is dumb.

[obtuse oak]

no

"and clicking the side-button on your mouse loads the arbites shotgun with an electrocution round"

this is not a blitz

[jovial pine]

it's apparently related to it being the "arbites's shotgun"

[molten matrix]

We did have 2 2 handed power axe models leaked

[hasty sky]

That's a special action

[obtuse oak]

correct

[hidden trout]

remote det is a blitz tho

[obtuse oak]

different part of the sentence

[elder oasis]

thats true, but not what hank was referring too

[jovial pine]

they kinda make it seem like remote det is the same as the shotgun thing, slightly confusing

[obtuse oak]

reading comprehension level in the toilet 😭 they dont make it seem like they are one in the same

[jovial pine]

but it isnt really wrong, it's just a possible interpretation of the sentence

[stuck wasp]

They speak of both cause they both do electric damage

[elder oasis]

its a wrong interpretation, unless you also think "as do the classes melee weapons" is referring to a blitz

[obtuse oak]

they are saying remote detonation deals electricty, the melee weapons deal electricity, and the shotgun special action ("the side-button on your mouse") does electricity, which is why the class is "the guy who just tases everyone"

[elder oasis]

the theme they share is electricity, and the sentence conveys that

[jovial pine]

yeah you're right, it's a wrong interpretation

[obtuse oak]

it's an incorrect interpretation, the sentence is written correctly and has only one meaning

[jovial pine]

not really

[obtuse oak]

but to be fair, everyone reading that is working with incomplete information

it's easier for me to say because i know what the author is referring to

[zenith merlin]

give us the glaive that deathworld veterans have in thre inquisitorial agents killteam

[obtuse oak]

agreed

[elder oasis]

i dont and i wasnt confused tbf again

[jovial pine]

[obtuse oak]

you were asking for it, close enough

[jovial pine]

[elder oasis]

cant wait for dogtide to release

i hate darktide

[stuck wasp]

Barktide

[elder oasis]

i am so fucking stupid and cacti is a genius

[delicate vapor]

[oak stream]

If I don't get one match with all arbites I'll be sad.

[elder oasis]

BARKTIDE

[elder oasis]

what an arbites? is that the name for the pet the cyber mastiff class is getting?

[oak stream]

One thing I am curious is if there is a limit on the dogs. One person mentioned during their beta test that they could only field 2 dogs.

[jovial pine]

[oak stream]

no the arbites is the name of the class in general.

[elder oasis]

that would make no sense

[elder oasis]

is this sarcasm

[oak stream]

it would for balance reasons.

[oak stream]

Both.

[jovial pine]

it would require them to add a like class build restriction feature where the game wont start or something

would be weeeird

[oak stream]

Like I shouldn't have to tell you what an arbites is. it's plastered all over the forums and news updates.

[elder oasis]

do you have ASD

[jovial pine]

poor sarge missed the sarcasm

[oak stream]

Like I can only hope it is you who is gaslighting me and not the other way around.

[jovial pine]

sarcasm coupled with a blatant joke that explains the sarcasm

[oak stream]

I have what is called, not caring syndrome. It's called I have a limit on the ability of bullshit I can care about. So yes sarcasm is often missed by me.

[jovial pine]

[obtuse oak]

There isn't, idk what they were talking about

[elder oasis]

so this comment was like a joke, the joke being the class is the pet and the pet is the class. like im pretending that the dog is the playable class

i hope this has been helpful

but i get what you misread

[oak stream]

it's a rather rediculous joke, and you can't exactly hear sarcasm in text. Also I work in retail, I deal with blatantly ignorant and often stupid people all the time. So I apologize for treating you like someone who is ignorant.

[elder oasis]

you thought i thought the dog was called an arbites

[jovial pine]

did you guys know that warhammer cosmology is apparently outerversal

or do the warhammer heads reject it and that's just powerscaling headcanon

[tender harbor]

thats becuase one was opting out of the dog

[weary pilot]

Who hurt you in retail to make you like this

[oak stream]

They said they all opted for dog.

[oak stream]

People, specifically the elderly and the middle age. Most of the younger men and women aren't dumb.

[elder oasis]

i own alot of plastic crac.... i mean models so i am very aware of the setting and what arbites are dont worry :p

[urban beacon]

Almost 1 week

[oak stream]

Like I said in my early comment. I was hoping you were gaslighting me.

[elder oasis]

i thought you were gaslighting me back with layers of sarcasm

[jovial pine]

[oak stream]

I was being both genuine and not genuine at the same time. Mainly because I knew you had to be screwing with me since I misread the joke.

[elder oasis]

anyways i hope we get a perk to turn off this weird talking guy so i can play a pure dog build

[jovial pine]

@urban beacon https://tenor.com/view/nervous-glorp-glorp-glorp-cat-nervous-gulp-cat-gif-6405647114975741623

[oak stream]

That'd be funny. Like if you choose to play with a party, one guy plays the dog, and the other person plays the arbites.

[jovial pine]

embed fail etc

[elder oasis]

the perfect dlc

[oak stream]

Reminds me of the Cho'gall character in Heroes of the Storm. a duo only character. Can't play him without another person playing Gall or Cho..

[elder oasis]

yes i am familiar, takes up 2 spots in the team but is very powerful

[oak stream]

The commentary between them and sometimes other characters was really funny.

[elder oasis]

hots has alot of very exotic champion designs gameplay wise

like you would never see cho gall, murky, or deathwing in league or smth

[oak stream]

HotS is one of the few moba's that doesn't require much management to play. Since items and gold aren't a thing. I feel like item builds and not being experienced with them cause a lot of toxicity.

[elder oasis]

very out there mechanically

[south jetty]

I miss Brightwing, Abathur, and my wife Zagara

[elder oasis]

or the starcraft guy

the one who sucks but can attach to minions and heroes and makes minions

[south jetty]

Abathur

[oak stream]

Abathur?

[elder oasis]

yes

[south jetty]

I love playing Abathur the most

It's the creature of all time

[oak stream]

Abathur is quite powerful but only if you use the ultimate that makes you spawn the super minion. I was told the other ultimate isn't worth it.

[elder oasis]

a very cool playstyle that prolly wont ever be copied into another moba

[oak stream]

Probably.

[jovial pine]

[south jetty]

I love giving everyone ligma to fight better for me

[elder oasis]

league goes with very safe designs, even its more out there playstyles are still rather conforming

[south jetty]

Rebecca.......

[silver mango]

Yo did anyone just get disconnected

[oak stream]

league also has a lot of item builds and toxicity because of the inexperienced. with HotS you don't need a lot of experience to have fun with the game at times. Though there is still a level of skill required if you've never played a moba before.

[elder oasis]

yes its definitely easier to pick up

[delicate vapor]

Maybe

[maiden jacinth]

I enjoys hots far more than any other moba I've played

Team xp and being able to augment your abilities rather than just buying items made it more fun for me

Didn't just become a cold war gold rush

[oak stream]

It's also a more friendly system to work with. Allows for less toxicity.

[south jetty]

I liked HotS bc it's mostly simpler with unique mechanics. Used to play League and Dota 2 (got better) but HotS was the most fun

Also, Brightwing

[maiden jacinth]

It's a design that actually promotes teamplay

[south jetty]

heavily yeah

[maiden jacinth]

Rather than "ah well, guess I'm going to have to carry by myself"

Which is where toxicity comes from

[oak stream]

if I had to choose between league or dota 2, dota 2 is definately the better community since the ranked players are often always separate from the normal player base.

[south jetty]

These zoomers sleeping on HotS. L rizz, kinda giving skibidi flop

[elder oasis]

item shops in league are feel so complicated, you have to know the shop as well as your character. if i ever was gone too long the shop would be all different and items that i thought i knew would change and id have to research what to build again lol

[oak stream]

And earning rewards is still viable in casual play, while in league you are forced to play ranked for good rewards.

[silver mango]

League of Legends 🤢

[south jetty]

So true

poison cloud game

[elder oasis]

yes and league people will give you death threats for playing slightly unoptimally

[south jetty]

I only really played Veigar there

[maiden jacinth]

Atleast in dota you can't read the toxicity unless you're russian

[frosty glacier]

41 missions with no downs and i’ll have 100%’d darktide! (achievements, not penances)

[south jetty]

you get to see how creative people become to get around the naughty word filter

[elder oasis]

i used to play proxy farming singed, and the amount of people who didnt know what that entailed that would ping me or spam chat was enormous

[oak stream]

what's funny is they did add a system to help guide players to pick item builds based on previous builds from the community. A nooby guide for item builds. It was positively reviewed but there is still a harsh learning curve even with that since it doesn't guide you on specific items for a team, only what items work for certain characters.

[south jetty]

Yeahhhhh

It takes a while to get used to a character and then you gotta kinda do that for a few more so you can play different roles (hopefully)

[oak stream]

Like I remember playing a mage and chose the wrong main item because the ingame guide told me this item worked better for multiple characters but not late game wise for the characters that were more of a threat.

[south jetty]

Or if you do draft pick so you don't get banned out of characters you play

[silver jasper]

only in aurics do mfs do everything but help you when disabled

[oak stream]

Got absolutely yelled at by my team because of that, and we were in casual play not ranked.

[elder oasis]

you gotta one trick a champ and immediately leave if you dont get your role or champ

[oak stream]

anyone I see with an auric border/title usually goes solo in a casual game or sticks with the team and plays absolutely sweaty. Like shoots things so fast before you can even react.

[south jetty]

their kidneys must be swiss cheese

[oak stream]

Like I don't mind that level of play style, but on a malice difficulty mission where I'm just trying to be chill. Like go play damnation ffs.

[elder oasis]

like early in the game where psyker felt bad cuz your role was supposedly to BB specials and elites but any half decent vet would kill all your targets before you got a BB off

[oak stream]

I'm playing malice because I don't want to be sweaty.

[maiden jacinth]

You just find people with dueling sword and such at damnation and above

[jovial pine]

i like 3 or 4 normal maelstroms cuz the people there are cute

[maiden jacinth]

Babies first power trip

[oak stream]

I remember. Though they did a lot with how venting works it's faster to peril up but also faster to vent. There are a lot of decent reworks for psyker, and I'm not entirely dissapointed. Though lore wise the psyker does not feel like a wyrdvane, they feel like a couple steps above.

[maiden jacinth]

I should really play more maelstroms

Witness the silly

[jovial pine]

it is pretty good for resources too in the grand scheme of things

since you probably wont lose and it gives a good amount

[elder oasis]

a couple? compared to psykers in novels our guy is matching and exceeding battle hardened psykers with his crazy kill counts! he is a crazy force for sure :)

i think assail is my fave way to play right now

even if it doesnt scale so well into higher diffs

[stuck wasp]

Not Primaris level, but Sanctionned Psyker level for sure

[oak stream]

Well essentially the most gripe I have is the empowered psionics ability. To cast a smite with 250% damage increase would require 2 other wyrdvanes used as a battery to cast that ability. Yet we cast it with of course needing a charge, and we can stack 3 charges later on.

[silver jasper]

i dont mind it honestly

[round mica]

Robo-dogos inbound

[silver jasper]

i would rather you run DS and help then be useless

[oak stream]

I've never used that weapon, like ever.

[silver jasper]

i have

i do in havoc sometimes

[maiden jacinth]

If it's havoc where it can be do or die. So be it

[elder oasis]

certianly would match some of the lower tiers of space marine librarians from some of the books ive read

but also gameplay isnt lore, so its tricky to compare

[maiden jacinth]

But when you're dancing around like a fairy and it's your only weapon- you're learning bad habits and overreliance

[elder oasis]

i tried it once early on but i didnt like it

its not as cool as force sword

[oak stream]

the problem is there are a few things that have been not allowed in the game because of lore reasons. Like the power fist for example, when switch between power fist and pistol can be as simple as lowering the weapon.

[elder oasis]

Deimos my beloved

[maiden jacinth]

If you only use the best weapon then you're not really going to learn much

[silver jasper]

its fine to use DS normally

maining it is an issue though

like using it on occasion or with one specifc build is fine

[oak stream]

I'm also certain people wouldn't be against being restricted to pistols only when using the power fist so long as the power fist is a good weapon.

[silver jasper]

like i use it with my bioshock pysker since pysker is squishy

[oak stream]

I see a lot of veterans do pistol builds as is.

[silver jasper]

laspistol and combat axe my beloved

classic and good combo

[oak stream]

I rarely see laspistol compared to the stub revolver, which Is weird to me.

[silver jasper]

revolver is meta

ngl

[maiden jacinth]

Revolver meta?

I thought rounds reload doesn't make it far in difficult

[elder oasis]

what im saying is that out capabilities combat wise are being inflated for the sake of gameplay. a psyker being capable of killing thousands of foes, and even downing several beasts of nurgle and other such nonsense in one run is insanity.

psykers in novels start heavy breathing after a few big attacks

[oak stream]

only if you can aim and not panic when getting eaten by a horde when trying to aim.

[maiden jacinth]

The cowboy revolver has grown more on me

But more i didn't think slow reload weapons made it far. Unless they're heavy hitters like boltgun

[oak stream]

a veteran guardsman being able to kill a beast of nurgle is again a feat of insanity. Though I guess lore is sometimes thrown out the window.

[elder oasis]

our psyker can also mix and match disciplines without issue. thats a rarity for many psykers!

[elder oasis]

oh 100 percent vet and zealot are prolly being inflated the most, no argument there

[oak stream]

I can see it now. Normal zealot versus beast of nurgle. hell even 20 of them. all eaten by the beast or murdered in seconds.

at least in lore.

[oblique mauve]

I'm honestly still split between the fan the hammer revolver or the ADS revolver

[maiden jacinth]

I think ogryn is the only one who barely stands a chance

[oblique mauve]

It always feels like I prefer the other when I use one of them

[maiden jacinth]

Unless psyker can maintain distance

[oak stream]

you'd be correct since one of the named ogryn's I believe killed a terminator before.

[elder oasis]

psyker is arguably the most powerful of the 4 archetype wise

[maiden jacinth]

It's the speedloader that sells it for me

Thats why I like cowboy

[oblique mauve]

I know but the ADS has double the damage

[elder oasis]

however there is the argument that a level 30 vet isnt really a guardsmen anymore

[maiden jacinth]

You get more boolet

[elder oasis]

they are at hired gun level of skill

[maiden jacinth]

To compensate

[elder oasis]

and could prolly take out some dastardly foes with proper weapons

[oblique mauve]

Do different marks have different CRIT dmg mult?

[elder oasis]

plus krak grenades or a well places plasma shot could dispell a beast of nurgle

[maiden jacinth]

Cowboy still hits 1.3k on a crit weakspot

[oblique mauve]

I really don't like the damage tables

[maiden jacinth]

Can't remember what hand cannon does

[elder oasis]

just usually it would take the support of a squad to land that shot

[oblique mauve]

Just show us the raw dmg multi

[oak stream]

considering most guardsmen and veterans, and hell even sergeants tend to die at any moment versus half the shit we face in darktide. We are definately on a different level especially when maxed out to 30. Though I think chaos ogryn's are waaay too weak in this game. I believe they need a larger hp pool than they currently have.

[maiden jacinth]

I think most weapons hsve the same chance unless they've got crit boost and finesse like the knife

I could be wrong, fartshart numbers are always goofy

[oblique mauve]

Anybody know of a guide that explains Darktide's glossary? I found out about Darkmass some time ago but that was taken down, and kulli's guide doesn't explain general mechanics/glossary

[elder oasis]

yeah id say our vet is reaching schola progenium levels of badassery. would fit right in with the likes of the human elite

[oak stream]

I think your background for at least 3 of the worlds can come from the progenium.

though I find it funny that one world allows you to be recruited for the imperial navy.

[elder oasis]

that makes sense, the navy has some pretty cool warriors for boarding actions and stuff

they actually got a kill team!

[oak stream]

most stormtroopers are progenium trained. I think the kasrkins are the only stormtrooper equivalent that are special trained their own way.

I'm not sure if krieg have their own methods for grenadiers.

[quasi quarry]

did they reveal what weapons the arbiter will use?

[oak stream]

Though I know there are other guard regiments that come close to cadians in style, and they have kasrkin knock offs that are just call stormtroopers.

[elder oasis]

im talking about the navy breachers, and kasrkins are the name for the cadian flavour, and yeah krieg does have grenadiers.

they had rules at one point, a lot of acid grenades and special shotgun ammo

[oak stream]

I know you are talking about the breachers, I was just talking about progenium trained individuals in general.

[elder oasis]

we have some of the weapons, but not the whole roster

[jovial pine]

prayers for crusher

[oak stream]

that's a fair point. Crusher ain't going to have a fun day with the arbites.

[jovial pine]

no the crusher weapon

[elder oasis]

if arbites doesnt get the blunt weapons of other human classes id be shocked

[oak stream]

oh.

[jovial pine]

heh....shocked...get it...cuz the crusher....is like a shock maul...

[elder oasis]

there there

[quasi quarry]

anythin new besides the boltgun lookin shotgun?

[elder oasis]

a shotgun pistol with shield

a maul with shield

a two handed maul

[quasi quarry]

THEY ADDIN THE SHOTGUN PISTOL AS WELL?

[oak stream]

couldn't the shield switch between shotgun pistol and maul?

or am I high?

[quasi quarry]

cause i've seen that bein teased for rogue trader as well

[elder oasis]

no the character just had both equipped

ones a melee and the other is a range i think

[oak stream]

funny because the shields never changed, but the weapon did. That's some good animation work.

[elder oasis]

if you go frame by frame the shield actually isnt in frame when the switch happens

[amber cave]

Shotpistol is very fun

[quasi quarry]

Arbiter gets cosmetics as well? maybe krieg-inspired cosmetics?

[oak stream]

has that split second invisibility.

[quasi quarry]

cause i'll buy that shit only for the doggo

[elder oasis]

of course, where would the arbites be without their trusty shotpistol sidearm

[amber cave]

Spray and Pay (The Taxes)

[elder oasis]

yeah its an easy miss

[quasi quarry]

I don't know much about them in lore x_x

[oak stream]

question is, when's the pre-order?

[quasi quarry]

They're like uh... religious police?

[elder oasis]

close enough

[oak stream]

I'm ready to buy, rn! Credit card slam meme activate.

[quasi quarry]

https://tenor.com/bAN5g.gif

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[amber cave]

No. They are more like Imperial FBI that also does SWAT and oppression. Also pay taxes.

[elder oasis]

their main role is to ensure the tithe is upheld. so any crimes that prevent that, be it govenor corruption, uprising, or chaos cults etc they will intervene

[quasi quarry]

so they're The Big E's IRS response team?

[wooden creek]

A heavily armed and armored combination of the FBI and IRS

[amber cave]

Yes

[oak stream]

They are common mainly in hive cities, and other places that need police work because of uprising and poor living conditions for the lower class. Though for full militarized uprising on a planet, aka rebellions. The Mordian Iron Guard are usually called for that, as they are actually a police regiment.

[elder oasis]

they actually commonly put their headquarters in plain view of where the governor is so they have the reminder to pay their damn taxes or get shot in the head

[quasi quarry]

why I haven't heard about them

[wooden creek]

Normally they just sit around as a looming threat of violence while the local enforcers deal with the local laws

[oak stream]

Because you don't pay attention to the lore? Idk, are you gaslighting me rn?

[amber cave]

"THE DEMONHOST ISN'T PAYING TAXES! SICC'EM BOYS!~" - Most Sane Arbites

[quasi quarry]

that sounds so so so like the imperium, i love it

[jovial pine]

[quasi quarry]

no, i just honestly never came across arbites

[delicate vapor]

I got chicken tenders and fries

[quasi quarry]

in lore n shit

[jovial pine]

[stuck wasp]

"No possession doesn't allow for tax breaks"

[quasi quarry]

even nurgle knows u don't fuck with the irs

[elder oasis]

most people hear of enforcers, who are local police. arbites are more a galactic level police force but are also not very present in the lore.

they appear in some novels as side characters but dont get dedicated books often if at all

[jovial pine]

they are like the GIGN (irl)

[elder oasis]

its very easy to just not read books where they are present

[oak stream]

I don't pick up well are sarcasm in chat, so I was generally curious. Either way, they are commonly mentioned in the necromunda books I believe. So if you've never read those they aren't something that is commonly thrown around in video games or even tabletop.

[elder oasis]

most people are reading space marine novels

[quasi quarry]

I see... hopefully they get more attention now that Rogue Trader and Danktide has em in full display

[wooden creek]

Arbites getting involved now is probably indicating that the situation is getting so bad that they think Lord Margrave won't be able to keep paying the tithe

[elder oasis]

really? i would think palatine enforcers would be who gets mentioned

[amber cave]

They are prominent in Warhammer Crimes series here and there

[quasi quarry]

That doesn't sound good

[quasi quarry]

I've heard of 40k detective novels

are they good?

[amber cave]

Yes

[oak stream]

shrug Every hive city has arbites.

[amber cave]

Very.

[quasi quarry]

some titles? xD

so far I've got kriegs and cadia books

[amber cave]

Vorbis Conspiracy

Was great.

[wooden creek]

Arbites did get a Killteam box recently too, and they are quite prominent in the Book of Judgement supplement for Dark Heresy, one of the more notable inspirations for Darktide

[quasi quarry]

got it

[amber cave]

Arbideez Nuts

[modern bobcat]

your sentence is death by ligma, heretic

[oak stream]

Unless your talking about my mention of the Mordian Iron Guard. Then they are the main regiment for policing rebellions, riots, and uprisings. They are not a militarized regiment meant for fighting xenos, or high level threats.

[jovial pine]

glorp

[oak stream]

Though that's not saying they can't fight xenos or high level threats, it's just not their speciality.

[thick fog]

Arbites join in but so does new enemy forces

Blighted Space Marine out of nowhere just appears

[oak stream]

would be funny if they didn't exclusively say no space marines, not even allied ones.

[amber cave]

Each planet has Enforcers who are the Planetary Governor private police. And so from planet to planet they differ a lot with uniforms, weapon's, tactics and level of corruption. Arbites are Federal (hehe) Force governed directly by high lord of Terra (Grand Provost Marshal) and they are very much harder to corrupt and have infinitely bigger authority.

[elder oasis]

not every hive city, typically their headquarters are just in the hive city of the planetary governer. local enforcers take the brunt of most hive city police work

[oak stream]

Though that's not to say there aren't small levels of arbites in most hive cities. Though I know enforcers are the main brunt of the offensive when it comes to policing things.

[elder oasis]

i know :)

there is one group of arbites that train their cadets by putting them to work dealing with gangs but i cant recall how widespred the practice is

[quasi quarry]

average conversation between a Dreg Shotgunner and Arbites fighting on Damnation difficulty

[oak stream]

Attention Imperial citizen! Multiple third parties have found 1 or more of your actions as being inappropriate!

[elder oasis]

some hive cities dont even see arbites till shit hits the fan, which is why i doubt they truly are in every city. especially the many worlds owned by other major imperial forces

[quasi quarry]

aren't those like... a walking toxic storm? they have like a radius of aoe poison/disease dmg n sht

[amber cave]

They are and they do. Mordians are a regular regiment of the AM and have all the trappings, including artillery, tank divisions etc. Their speciality is however, indeed, counter insurrection and urban combat.

[elder oasis]

they also stand in neat little rows to fire at people

[thick fog]

Idk, only know because of a leaked callout voiceline from one of the psykers that was found like a month ago or so

[elder oasis]

in one edition you could gain an actual bonus for having your models all be touching in neat ranks

[oak stream]

I mean of course they defend their territory from what ever is threatening them. Though as you said, their specialty is dealing with the insurrections in the imperium. It'd be foolish if they didn't have their toes dipped in combat against other forces. Though my main point is when it comes to other territories problems fighting xenos and high threats, they'd be the last ones called.

[quasi quarry]

I'm amazed tho cause with Daemon hosts and all those monstrosities I'm sure Space Marines would've been called in, at least a couple killteams

[oak stream]

Well if you put savlar chemdogs on that list, than maybe they'd be second to last called.

I wouldn't want them walking around my planet.

[quasi quarry]

• Isn't like Tertium been at war for decades now?

[oak stream]

We don't exactly know what has and has not been called. For all we know there has been a couple assassins at work.

[elder oasis]

its not too big of a threat yet. no major daemonic incursions as of yet.

but space marines could be fighting in zones we arent good enought to fight in

[quasi quarry]

Asassinorum assassins?

[oak stream]

The inquisition only tells operatives so much, and we aren't exactly in a high position to know everything. And yes.

[amber cave]

That's not exactly so. The demonhosts we are encountering are trash demonhosts. With pathetic weak ass demons entrapped in weak individuals. They are the demonhost equivalent of a lvl 1 thug

[quasi quarry]

holy shit now that sounds bad

[elder oasis]

and we are working for a hereticus agent right? so they might call the sisters before they call marines to the fray

[oak stream]

Considering that if shit was terrible, they'd send grey knights. So not as bad as you think. There has yet to be a high level of demonic uprising as the nurgle corruption is still in its baby stage.

[quasi quarry]

u tell me that the guy teleporting on my ass in a second cause i've accidentally shot him once, whoops my ass and it's tanky as hell IT'S A LVL 1 DAEMON HOST?

[elder oasis]

the strong ones can stop time

and other crazy af stuff

[quasi quarry]

as in the whole planet is bein terraformed into a toxic hellscape level of incursion?

[quasi quarry]

nurgle daemon hosts can stop time? x_x

i thought they're just stinky, tanky

and high asf 24/7

[amber cave]

Yes this is trash level dh

[oak stream]

yes. it's no where near as strong corruption wise, since if it was we'd see nurglings, and plaguebringers. The reason we see Beasts of Nurgle is because they are an abberation type demon and can be summoned via a ritual.

[elder oasis]

hosts in general, alot of daemonhosts in novels are more generic and dont get a chaos god theme

[amber cave]

Real powerful DHs wouldn't be harmable by guns, could vaporise a city block or summon other demons with ease. Etc.

[elder oasis]

although beasts can cause infections that lead to nurglings so im not sure why we dont see any nurglings

like just a few

[oak stream]

Beats me.

[quasi quarry]

aren't the weak mobs with horns on their heads called plaguebringers?

[oak stream]

Maybe they are all hiding somewhere.

[quasi quarry]

or were they called plaguewalkers

[elder oasis]

poxwalkers

[oak stream]

no those are poxwalkers. they are a low class level of zombie for nurgle.

[quasi quarry]

or they're on a different hive city/locations on the planet?

[elder oasis]

invented by typhus according to some lore

[oak stream]

And the poxwalkers are still in their baby stage as well. True poxwalkers are much more bloated and have a creepy smile on their face.

Since nurgle usually gives you a lot of dopamine and happiness for serving him.

[elder oasis]

plaguebearers are another thing we should be seeing, since where nurgle touch can be seen the infection that causes plaguebearers is typically present

basically this cult fucking sucks

[oak stream]

that's only during higher levels of corruption. We keep destroying a lot of shit that causes that level of corruption like the phage trees or how ever you spell that.

[elder oasis]

i think the lore states that poxwalkers are still aware but are unable to do anything about it

[thick fog]

They are poxwalkers

[oak stream]

They are, but during the height of their corruption they are more susceptible to nurgles will.

[thick fog]

Plaguebearer gives a more actual demonic look and far grotesque

[quasi quarry]

they ain't after i cleave a whole wave of them with my 2h blaze sword

[oak stream]

They are essentially closer to a half demon from what I recall.

[elder oasis]

nurgle has sneaked them in when the corruption was lower before. in one novel some infected personnel were so undercover they passed a doctors screening before turning full daemon and messing everything up

[quasi quarry]

that's scary

[elder oasis]

yeah plaguebearers are the souls of humans who died infected by nurgles rot

so they have more in common with daemon princes then other daemons

[quasi quarry]

like an entity made of one soul or of more souls?

[elder oasis]

one human makes one plague bearer

[oak stream]

yeah but that's assuming that the moebians got access to them when they were corrupted. From what we see, they didn't bring any nurglings or plaguebringers, so they probably discovered some writings of nurgle or maybe a priest that corrupted them rather than some kind of full blown cult.

[quasi quarry]

lovely, aren't there like hundreds of planets affected by nurgle?

[elder oasis]

maybe, the last missions we got insinuates the cult is alot more well established then we thought

[quasi quarry]

millions of plaguebearers... ah yes, the horror of 40k

[modern bobcat]

Darktide needs a real Sewer Level

[quasi quarry]

if nurgle wanted he could nuke the imperium pretty good if u said he can make them basically normal humans when screened

[oak stream]

You are correct but that does take a lot of evolution. For a plaguebringer to spawn from a human rather than from nurgles garden it can take a few years, but I believe someone told me it could take longer though Idk.

[elder oasis]

its kinda funny in a way, plaguebearers sometimes get confused in the warp as their brains are still somewhat human so the warp doesnt make sense to them.

their job is to count diseases for nurgle, but they always seem to lose count and have to start over

[quasi quarry]

i mean... as long as they're happy

[oak stream]

What's the herald of nurgle called again?

[elder oasis]

they were still human, the infection was kept hidden then they became daemons near instantly

[quasi quarry]

nurgle's probably the only chaos god that gives endless dopamine for nothin

[elder oasis]

epidemius, the tallyman

[oak stream]

Yes, but I was talking about like when you see the herald of tzeentch is a blue horror on a disc, what's the nurgle equivalent?

he's some kind of herald like plaguebearer.

[elder oasis]

its darker then that, his corruption is more like depression. you become more and more apathetic till you stop caring.

its an empty calmness that comes with acceptance of the inevitable. the smile of a broken thing

slaanesh makes dark eldar torture feel good, so prolly gives a bit more actual dopamine

[elder oasis]

he has several types

poxbringer is one

[quasi quarry]

why're the death guard n other corrupted individuals talkin about the warm embrace of the grandfather x_x

the death guard are still high asf and they've been in his service for 10k years

[oak stream]

looked it up so yeah there are multiple. poxbringer, plaguebearer, and even great unclean ones have been heralds.

My favorite great unclean one has to be the one with the bell.

[blazing hawk]

Everyone a herald dawg

[quasi quarry]

proteic fart, that's a herald of nurgle

[blazing hawk]

You inhale the nurgle ass hair stench you better believe you're getting it

[elder oasis]

some are, but they lose that passion over their lives. Vorx talks about it. characters like typhus have their hate keeping them going

[lime beacon]

They just be handing the title out to anyone these days smh

[quasi quarry]

I see... so they get burnt out after a bit

[inland mantle]

Even jeff from accounting is a herald 😔

[blazing hawk]

The idea of nurgle being like a loving grandfather is less of actual endearment and more of an abusive relationship

[oak stream]

Because like a grandfather he takes care of his disciples. Even though nurgle is also a shitlord and has killed many of his followers and turned them into plagues which in some cases is seen as betrayel by the individuals who suffered it, but to nurgle it is seen as a great service and true love to become one of his new or greatest plagues.

[elder oasis]

read the "bringers of silence" book for info on what nurgle corruption feels like. its the most detailed account we have

[lime beacon]

Title inflation almost as bad as auric storm survivor

[quasi quarry]

So he's a delusional, selfish entity

[elder oasis]

make no mistake, none of the chaos gods are truly benevolent. all have their own cruel tortures to visit upon their victims

[quasi quarry]

ik, that's why they're called daemons

after all

[oak stream]

yes, but he has given many non fucked up boons before as well.

[quasi quarry]

but of them all nurgle seems to have the least amount of immediate fucked up consequences of all the gods

[lime beacon]

Let’s be honest, your lowest moment as a nurgle worshipper is better than a thousand lifetimes as the corpse gods slave

[quasi quarry]

maybe khorne, cause he's honorable and doesn't care from where the blood flows

[lime beacon]

Who’s with me

[quasi quarry]

as long as it flows

[lime beacon]

Let’s all give up

[elder oasis]

he also makes people eat their families sometimes

many cannibal cults are khorne ones

[quasi quarry]

oh

nevermind

[elder oasis]

he is as much the chaos god for strong warriors as he is for butchers

[oak stream]

Until you get higher up the food chain. In warhammer fantasy one of his greatest disciples was given a blessing that turned him into a maggot. He had the ability to crawl into people and use them like flesh puppets. Though if I was given a maggot as my true form I'd be fucking pissed.

[lime beacon]

Just crawl into a hot chick

[elder oasis]

i will say khorne mutations tend to be pretty tame

[quasi quarry]

i've read in some place that he respects some of the loyalist warriors as well

cause of their efficiency in combat

[outer jasper]

I would sooner die than join chaos

However

[quasi quarry]

yeah...

[forest moss]

HOWEVER?!?!

[inland mantle]

Go on

[lime beacon]

Yesss

Go on

[quasi quarry]

lemme guess

slaneesh?

[lime beacon]

Yeah buddy

[outer jasper]

I hate slaanesh with a passion